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Sunday, May 27, 2018

Not as easy as it looks

The campaign to equalitize the British military meets a setback:
The first woman to join an infantry regiment since defence chiefs lifted a ban on females serving in combat units has quit after just two weeks of training, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

The recruit dropped out of an 18-week course this month after falling behind her male counterparts on endurance marches and failing other physical tests at a training base in Suffolk.

It is understood that when the woman resigned, she admitted having underestimated the physical requirements of being an infantry recruit. She also told officers that living in female-only accommodation made her feel ‘like an outsider’ and weakened her resolve. Her resignation is a huge blow to officials who are determined to integrate women into fighting units in the Army, Royal Marines and Royal Air Force.
The feminist notion that resolve can overcome reality tends to remind one of the WWI French generals' firm belief that esprit was capable of overcoming machine guns.

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Blogger artensoll May 27, 2018 11:06 AM  

Now watch as they lower standards even further.

Blogger FUBARwest May 27, 2018 11:08 AM  

And have co-ed living quarters.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 27, 2018 11:13 AM  

Condoms in MRE's!

Blogger Michael Maier May 27, 2018 11:14 AM  

The feminist notion that resolve can overcome reality tends to remind one of the WWI French generals' firm belief that esprit was capable of overcoming machine guns.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh............ WHAT?

Blogger Crew May 27, 2018 11:18 AM  

And I am reminded of this:

https://academic.oup.com/cercor/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cercor/bhy109/4996558

Sex Differences in the Adult Human Brain: Evidence from 5216 UK Biobank Participants

You can find a summary here: http://www.unz.com/jthompson/sex-on-the-brain/

Blogger Lance E May 27, 2018 11:24 AM  

No, the problem is that being segregated weakened her resolve! The military just wasn't inclusive enough! The solution is always to add more women.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 11:32 AM  

It strikes me that the terms "equalize" and "neutralize" share a few similarities.

Blogger Brett baker May 27, 2018 11:33 AM  

You forgot to add YES!

Blogger Brett baker May 27, 2018 11:33 AM  

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Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira May 27, 2018 11:37 AM  

Just look at the Canadian Army (or lack thereof).

Blogger Barbarossa May 27, 2018 11:42 AM  

A decade ago, I went through pre-deployment training prior to a tour in Iraq. It was for a combat support role, and the class of about 80 was 10% women. The capstone was a 24-hour exercise combining a 20-mile march with various scenarios involving tactics, interaction with locals, etc. Of our group, seven of the 8 women were on "profile", medically excused from participating. The holdout had run middle distance track for one of the service academies and, thus, quite the athlete. Of the ~70 men, only one was on profile. He had turned his ankle playing basketball the day before and couldn't even get his boot on. He asked for permission to do the hike in running shoes but was denied.

Just one example of many where the reality of women in the military is so different than what our effete overlords want us to believe.

Blogger Justin Bailey May 27, 2018 11:43 AM  

If anyone would just "Read A Book", you'd see that women have been integral to front line fighting since World War 1. What kind of bigot is unaware of the bionic armed female infantryman in the battle of the bulge?

https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/24/17388414/battlefield-v-fans-game-women-world-war-2-history

Blogger Michael Maier May 27, 2018 11:44 AM  

I wish Trump would fire all female in the military. It would be so glorious.

Blogger OneWingedShark May 27, 2018 11:51 AM  

Michael Maier wrote:I wish Trump would fire all female in the military. It would be so glorious.
He'd get beaten back by the courts: breach of contract, etc.

No, what we want is something a bit more subtle, completely in the President's purview; something like making all institutions that receive Dept. of Education funding have mandatory Firearm training.

Blogger S'mon May 27, 2018 12:00 PM  

Women in combat have been moderately effective - in strictly segregated units where they rarely meet a man on the same side. In integrated units they are always the weak link. As Van Creveld pointed out, a big reason for this is that they degrade male performance. Of course in physical and psychological terms there is very little female overlap with the upper half of males.

Blogger VD May 27, 2018 12:03 PM  

Women in combat have been moderately effective

Not really. Russian snipers are the only real success, and they were in pretty desperate straits. Using that as a justification would be like recommending cannibalism for logistics.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 27, 2018 12:07 PM  

People will fetishize opposition to women in front line combat roles, in the same way they do for illegal vs legal immigration. But think about this: if a Gunnery Sergeant has a sweet young thing or two in the administration platoon, company office, battalion S-1, is that any better? If the females Marines in Motor T call him Daddy, is that okay for the male Marines who are in the same platoon and will get the shit jobs as a result?

I was a platoon sergeant for a year in a communications/electronic maintenance platoon. I've seen it all. Women in pog/support roles is an absolute fucking cancer to unit performance, morale, etc.

Blogger Brick Hardslab May 27, 2018 12:09 PM  

The civil service tests for the police are a fair indicator of the real short term differences. Women need to pass their much easier standards at 4/5ths of the male pass rate.

This has the ridiculous result of a sixty year old man having to run a mile and a half faster than a twenty-something woman. In fact the standards don't really overlap at any age.

Blogger English Tom May 27, 2018 12:13 PM  

Living in female only accommodation made her feel like an outsider.

Girl speak for: because she wasn't sleeping near the men she couldn't wrap anyone round her little finger.

Blogger DonReynolds May 27, 2018 12:14 PM  

This only reminds me of the case of a young woman in Maryland who wanted to play varsity football at her high school. Her parents fought the school board and filed a lawsuit and the judge ruled that she had the right to play with the boys. Her first day in practice, she was banged up on the field and ended up in the hospital. So naturally, her parents filed another lawsuit for civil damages, claiming that their daughter was not adequately warned how violent football is for the players.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 27, 2018 12:15 PM  

I remember that, Don. Luckily, she ruptured an internal organ or two.

Blogger Jack Ward May 27, 2018 12:16 PM  

In much MilSfi, where women are in combat roles, the women are required to use metabolism enhancers, 'boost drugs and the like. A fun reading assignment on such is Michael Z. Williamson's Freehold series. Pretty good. I think book 1 is free today on Amazon. Or, very cheap.

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Blogger Lovekraft May 27, 2018 12:23 PM  

How come we see these globalist politicians so "determined" to undermine military fighting capacity?

If they actually applied determination in the correct way, they wouldn't have embarked on this fool's errand in the first place.

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 27, 2018 12:26 PM  

Looks like you need to watch "GI Jane" again, VD. Your faith is weak.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 27, 2018 12:29 PM  

VD wrote:Russian snipers are the only real success, and they were in pretty desperate straits.

Shooting is one of the few things that women can actually do as well as men. In Stalingrad, I gather that there was no marching, because the front was inside the city and surrounded them, so women could just walk a couple of blocks, fire a couple of shots, and go home.

I haven't heard of any female snipers on either side of the Winter War. The Finns and Russians had to maneuver.

The fact that the female snipers were moderately successful for the Russians at Stalingrad really just highlights their inadequacy for anything military.

VD wrote:Using that as a justification would be like recommending cannibalism for logistics.

That is where female soldiers could really shine. They have a higher fat content for the extra calories you need in combat, and come in the smaller, platoon-size serving.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 27, 2018 12:31 PM  

Ominous Cowherd,

Now haven't I told you not to play with your food?

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) May 27, 2018 12:42 PM  

4. Michael Maier May 27, 2018 11:14 AM
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh............ WHAT?



the French generals of WW1 were the SJWs of their day. any failure of an assault was assumed to be the fault of the troops.

see Kubrick's "Paths of Glory". obviously fictionalized, but it'll get you started.


hah. Danica rolled off 7th of 33, which is actually a decent qualifying effort.

green flag falls and she immediately falls to 12th.

*snort*

query:
can anyone remember ANY instance when Danica has admitted to being 'at fault' on the track?

even the greatest drivers occasionally screw up and will come off the track and apologize to people they wrecked.

the closest thing i can think of is Danica pretending that she didn't "know" what happened when she almost killed a bunch of safety workers.

https://youtu.be/sb2JQMlVxok?t=1m30s

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 12:46 PM  

"How come we see these globalist politicians so "determined" to undermine military fighting capacity?"

So that when a nation's military fails against the internal riots (which are precipitated by the same parties) they can justify bringing in the UN "peacekeepers" -- who suck even more -- to help with an October-style revolution... rather than the February variety which was actually (sort of)a revolution as opposed to an alien coup in a transparent skinsuit.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 12:49 PM  

Or bring in some other similar paramilitary force, anyway.

Blogger Dirtnapninja May 27, 2018 12:49 PM  

The commonwealth regimental system produces units with a very high unit cohesion and esprit de corps. The brits have already weakened the regimental system with their reforms. Adding chicks would wreck it even more.

Blogger Weouro May 27, 2018 12:50 PM  

"As a person of extreme matronliness she thought she'd do well in the 'infantry'... but it wasn't quite what she was expecting."

Blogger Steve May 27, 2018 12:51 PM  

To be fair, it's gonna be pretty funny next time we're in a non-trivial war.

The narrative is:

* Womyn are just as tough as men, bigots!

And

* OMG violence against wimmins is wrong!

That's going to take a hit when the girls come back in coffins.

Blogger Skyler the Weird May 27, 2018 12:51 PM  

Make the Ladies register for the Draft before they can get their gender studies federal scholarships and loans.

Blogger Steve May 27, 2018 12:52 PM  

Say what you will about trannies, but at least they have a proven track record of killing (themselves)

Blogger Unknown May 27, 2018 12:53 PM  

I served with females for all of my 20 year Navy career. They are mostly OK on shore commands when they don't have to do physical labor, but on ships they cause all sorts of discipline issues, can't hack the physical labor like the men can, are an extreme liability on damage control (again, a strength/endurance issue), and on all seven carrier deployments I did on average 25 of them got sent off the ship for getting pregnant. This doesn't even count those that got pregnant before deployment so they didn't have to do it.

A girl in my shop did exactly that, and waited until the last working day before we were set to leave to report it to the command.

This was the 2nd time she did it, too. She did it in a prior squadron a few years before as well.

She was (and still is, AFAIK) single, of course.

Blogger Steve May 27, 2018 12:58 PM  

Living in female only accommodation made her feel like an outsider.

There's two types of wimmins in the British Army: dykes and bikes.

The dykes, to be fair, can at least be competent in their jobs.

Blogger Dangeresque May 27, 2018 12:59 PM  

I love the bit about the separate sleeping quarters having made her feel "isolated". This is right in line with something I've noticed about the reproductive strategies of low sexual market value women. They will constantly try to infiltrate "guys night out" all-male scenarios as a means of competitive exclusion. If they're the only woman in the room, then they're the only option.

Blogger Lyndsey Stang May 27, 2018 1:05 PM  

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Blogger KJE May 27, 2018 1:07 PM  

Last year my son played 5th grade American full contact football. He was 4’6” and about 85 lbs., maybe a bit closer to 90 once he was in pads and helmet. He wasn’t particularly large, fast or strong or even talented. If anything, he was a little undersized relative to the other kids.

I helped coach; this was a combined 5th and 6th grade team.

One girl went out as a 6th grader. She was pretty fast and could catch and pass reasonably well. She also had a decent attitude, she wanted to work.

During practice we did stance to fit to drive contact drills. Size wise this girl matched up to my son. We tried to match. All the kids up that way for the purpose of the practices.

Giving about all she had during those drills, she had a hard time driving my son back as he held a blocking pad.

Assuming they both stay reasonable fit, what chance would she have as a 17 year old against my son at 16? Or 22 and 21? 30 and 29?

She might turn out to be that one in a million unicorn and be destined for some great athletic future. But even then, top of her game, how large a percentage of similarly trained and physically fit males would be at least matching her so that it was no better than even money on the outcome?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 27, 2018 1:08 PM  

"Condoms in MRE's!"

Only marginally helpful against field snatch.

Blogger Dave May 27, 2018 1:12 PM  

Bloody 'ell, that is a unforeseen setback. Hopefully the British infantry will in time be able to fully recover from this startling and unexpected bombshell. I say, jolly good show, stiff upper lip, and all that...

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 1:17 PM  

"Make the Ladies register for the Draft before they can get their gender studies federal scholarships and loans."

Nah, if military service in time of need is a man's civic duty, producing babies is a woman's.

Extrapolate.

"are an extreme liability on damage control (again, a strength/endurance issue)"

PREACH! They're even putting women on subs over here now. Heck, I was a sonarman (read displays, listen to headphones, and install/upgrade/maintain server equipment/sensors) and just for flooding DC drills we often had to grab an eighty pound pump (with about forty more pounds of connected cables and esoterica that the second guy to arrive would grab and have to carry in tandem), run it up a ladderwell that was now halfway to horizontal due to a thirty degree up-angle, down forty feet of p-way that was also at a 30d angle, through a raised hatch, down another hundred and fifty feet or so, and then down one or two formerly vertical ladders -- now also at a thirty degree angle sideways.

I can't think of one in twenty women, even in the military, who could do even this relatively easy stuff without dropping the pump down the p-way, killing multiple people, or falling and killing themselves too.

Throw them in fire gear and an SCBA and have them dragging hoses and cases up and down ladders, and even those'd most likely faint or lock up because literally not strong enough.

...They'd kill or maim the entire division before managing some of the things we had to do while in port.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 1:19 PM  

"The dykes, to be fair, can at least be competent in their jobs."

They can act mean, but mostly they also disappear when physical labor is in order. Of the ones that don't, they still can't do the same sorts of things a hundred and twenty pound 6 foot tall guy can. Not even close to the same things.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 27, 2018 1:21 PM  

Azure,

I was in a mechanic shop with my boss one time watching his car get fixed, and the husband and wife owners were both submariners.

She told me with obvious pride that her daughter was a naval officer and one of the first women to be stationed on a submarine. I asked her if she was ready to be a grandmother.

She acted like she was very confused, and asked me what that meant.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 1:22 PM  

Yes, hundred and twenty, as in Mr. Beanpole McBeanpole.

Blogger Robert Coble May 27, 2018 1:26 PM  

@12:

"What kind of bigot is unaware of the bionic armed female infantryman in the battle of the bulge?"

It seems that female inFATrymen [sic] are always the losers when fighting the "battle of the bulge", whether isolated from the chow hall or not.

TRIGGLY PUFF for the inFATry! She could fat shame the enema [sic] troops into surrender.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 1:27 PM  

"She told me with obvious pride that her daughter was a naval officer and one of the first women to be stationed on a submarine. I asked her if she was ready to be a grandmother.

She acted like she was very confused, and asked me what that meant."


Ha!

Clearly hasn't been paying attention to the first class of them and how, what, 50% of them were pregnant before getting out of the one-year school, and ~60% of the rest were the same (by other male submariners on their boat) after less than a year at their first command?

...And then there's the legendary magic of virgin pregnancy that somehow happens like clockwork about a month before deployment, known throughout the Navy in all sea-duty commands.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 27, 2018 1:27 PM  

Solipsism and of course no respect for the men.

If she were in combat and was taken prisoner by a warlord type, that's the man she wants to respect

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 1:29 PM  

"It seems that female inFATrymen [sic] are always the losers when fighting the "battle of the bulge", whether isolated from the chow hall or not."

Yeah, there's the other thing.

Military women are fat.

I'm not saying all of them are, but during my entire five years active duty, I only saw two who weren't.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 1:32 PM  

And believe me, if any non-fat woman walked into any room ever, all the guys were aware in under thirty seconds if their lives weren't currently on the line.

Blogger English Tom May 27, 2018 1:33 PM  

@Lovekraft

From the globalist point of view, they are seriously weakening the effectiveness of Western military forces. This is deliberate.

Now why would an enemy want to seriously weaken the military of a major adversary? The question answers itself.

Blogger English Tom May 27, 2018 1:35 PM  

@Ominous Cowherd

There's a great YouTube vid called: black man explains why blacks will loss a race war. It is very educational and also heartwarming.

Blogger English Tom May 27, 2018 1:36 PM  

Sorry loss = lose

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) May 27, 2018 1:41 PM  

no Hultgreen-Curie for you!

Danica had fallen to 17th and, running by herself, spun herself out and destroyed her car.

so, the great Danica experiment has come to an end.

Blogger A rebel without a General May 27, 2018 2:01 PM  

At least she had the decency to leave and admit she was not capable enough instead of complaining that sexism was holding her back.

Blogger Gospace May 27, 2018 2:02 PM  

Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 1:29 PM

Military women are fat.

I'm not saying all of them are, but during my entire five years active duty, I only saw two who weren't.


Most that aren't don't reenlist. They, most of them, stay associated with the military as dependent wives.

Blogger RobertT May 27, 2018 2:08 PM  

Beware. GB will throw anyone who reports on this into prison with a bunch of sjw's ready & willing to rip your throat out.

Blogger DonReynolds May 27, 2018 2:11 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"The dykes, to be fair, can at least be competent in their jobs."

They can act mean, but mostly they also disappear when physical labor is in order. Of the ones that don't, they still can't do the same sorts of things a hundred and twenty pound 6 foot tall guy can. Not even close to the same things.


The military already know and they knew before they were compelled to add women to combat units. Remember, the military dipped their toe in the water before they jumped in. Women were allowed to carry weapons in the military, as part of their job when they opened up the Military Police to females.

The first time these women came under fire was during the invasion of Panama in December 1989 (Operation Just Cause....which was known also as Operation Just Because.)

The US had no regular combat units in Panama at the time, so the Military Police were the only security team on the ground before the invasion. The women Military Police ran like hell as soon as the shooting started....the female motivation to survive very quickly outweighed their duty. Unarmed Americans were left with no protection against the Panamanian National Guard, under the direction of the military dictator.

They also opened up the Combat Medic and Radio Operator positions to women recruits too, which also turned out to be absurd combinations in critical roles. Traditionally, the biggest and strongest of soldiers end up carrying the heavy weapons or the radio. The loss of either could be a disaster for a small unit.

Combat Medic is all about courage under fire, as well as competency under extreme stress....again, not an ideal job for young women. It is as if the military talked themselves into demonstrating how it could not work....not how it could....and justified the attempt with other excuses. Sound familiar?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 2:30 PM  

"Sound familiar?"

If we were talking about a person instead of an organization, I'd say that person was in shock.

Knowing the preexisting and ongoing nature of the ailment, I'd say that person was mentally ill.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 27, 2018 2:34 PM  

According to this Marine Times article from March, the Marines have 92 females in combat arms positions. The Army has around 500.
"The majority of women have fallen into artillery, combat engineers, and low altitude air defense gunners, where the physical requirements are less stringent."

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2018/03/05/where-are-the-female-marines/

Every female to attempt to pass the Air Force's tactical air control party training has washed out.
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/05/25/another-female-airman-has-dropped-out-of-air-force-tacp-training/

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/05/24/6th-woman-battlefield-airman-training-drops-out.html

Blogger DonReynolds May 27, 2018 2:38 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"Sound familiar?"

If we were talking about a person instead of an organization, I'd say that person was in shock.

Knowing the preexisting and ongoing nature of the ailment, I'd say that person was mentally ill.


I think you are totally correct.
This is the same Pentagon that unilaterally banned use of the flamethrower by the US military in 1973 because it was "inhumane". No doubt, tens of thousands of American lives were SAVED by use of the flamethrower in conflicts during the twentieth century, but suddenly it is a "inhumane weapon".

Watching the footage of US troops and Marines going door-to-door in Iraq with little more than a carbine, was really annoying.

Blogger S'mon May 27, 2018 3:11 PM  

It's true women have some advantages as snipers- good breadth perception and better ability to sit in their own urine for days waiting for a shot.

I get the impression that the Kurds' female units at Kobane were more than just show troops. But the important thing is never to integrate them with male soldiers in a regular army - Creveld explains they work ok as guerillas but as regulars they devastate male morale.

Blogger Dire Badger May 27, 2018 3:11 PM  

Unknown wrote:I served with females for all of my 20 year Navy career. They are mostly OK on shore commands when they don't have to do physical labor, but on ships they cause all sorts of discipline issues, can't hack the physical labor like the men can, are an extreme liability on damage control (again, a strength/endurance issue), and on all seven carrier deployments I did on average 25 of them got sent off the ship for getting pregnant. This doesn't even count those that got pregnant before deployment so they didn't have to do it.

A girl in my shop did exactly that, and waited until the last working day before we were set to leave to report it to the command.

This was the 2nd time she did it, too. She did it in a prior squadron a few years before as well.

She was (and still is, AFAIK) single, of course.


Your experience matches mine exactly. I often saw 12 year girls who had NEVER actually gone on deployment in their entire Careers... and because of that personnel shortfall, I never even got a single shore command for nearly 16 years... Yes, BM/FC/GM shore slots are in short supply, but after a decade and a half the only way I was able to slot one was by completing master-at-arms pqs.

Blogger S'mon May 27, 2018 3:19 PM  

They are weakening their own militaries!

Cult-Marxed militaries may be helpful for internal repression, the way our post MacPherson police forces have been corrupted. But my impression is that the Powers that Be tend to massively under estimate opposition and believe superior technology will always compensate for inferior personnel. They may also cut slack for the actual killers in spec ops, SAS etc - if not then they are truly insane.

One possibility is that they WANT some minor defeats at the hands of eg Iran - female US soldiers paraded on Iranian TV would be fantastic for enraging the red states to all out war.

Blogger eyeslevel May 27, 2018 3:22 PM  

OT Another setback: Italian government in doubt https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-27/italy-chaos-country-vote-again-after-president-blocks-government-unclear-what

Blogger S'mon May 27, 2018 3:23 PM  

I always thought the military should have banned gay men and straight women.

Blogger S'mon May 27, 2018 3:24 PM  

I remember being on an army reserve training weekend and thinking the chubby girl playing snooker looked *mighty* fine... :)

Blogger S'mon May 27, 2018 3:31 PM  

Fat female soldiers - I think that may be an American thing, when I was in the British territorial reserve 20 years ago the girls were mostly very nicely shaped. Of course most I saw were part timers like me.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 27, 2018 3:38 PM  

S'mon,

In Kuwait 2003, the Brits were there and had co-ed showers. A line of US Marines shortly formed outside, shower shoes, soap on a rope and OD Towels in hand.

Blogger Dire Badger May 27, 2018 3:41 PM  

S'mon wrote:Fat female soldiers - I think that may be an American thing, when I was in the British territorial reserve 20 years ago the girls were mostly very nicely shaped. Of course most I saw were part timers like me.

20 years ago most women were more nicely shaped than they are now.

Blogger Hammerli280 May 27, 2018 4:04 PM  

You can use women for some roles...but front-line combat units are not among them. Most civilians have no idea just much work is involved in fighting.

Intelligence, logistics, and acquisition aren't sexy, but they are necessary work.

Blogger S'mon May 27, 2018 4:05 PM  

Stg58 LoL - I am glad my comrades brightened things up for your Marines! I think the lack of corn syrup in our diet helps. And at least back then, women in the British army did it to prove themselves, same as the men, not as a cushy career, so they were right side of bell curve in many respects!

Blogger S'mon May 27, 2018 4:12 PM  

Dire Badger:
>>20 years ago most women were more nicely shaped than they are now.<<

Here in London the kids are mostly fat from school-mandated lack of exercise, but the hipsterish young folks tend to be in very good shape. I don't get out from the Capitol to the Districts much, but the women of the elites are looking ok.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 27, 2018 4:21 PM  

Hammerli,

You can't use women for any work at all in the military. See my first comment.

"People will fetishize opposition to women in front line combat roles, in the same way they do for illegal vs legal immigration. But think about this: if a Gunnery Sergeant has a sweet young thing or two in the administration platoon, company office, battalion S-1, is that any better? If the females Marines in Motor T call him Daddy, is that okay for the male Marines who are in the same platoon and will get the shit jobs as a result?

I was a platoon sergeant for a year in a communications/electronic maintenance platoon. I've seen it all. Women in pog/support roles is an absolute fucking cancer to unit performance, morale, etc."

Blogger Steve May 27, 2018 4:46 PM  

They can act mean, but mostly they also disappear when physical labor is in order. Of the ones that don't, they still can't do the same sorts of things a hundred and twenty pound 6 foot tall guy can. Not even close to the same things.

Sure. Women in the army are a net negative. We'd probably get better results with spotty 13 year old cadets.

Blogger Matamoros May 27, 2018 5:18 PM  

@43 Nah, if military service in time of need is a man's civic duty, producing babies is a woman's.

So the women should report to the Fertilization Cinic to be immediately fertilized?

Blogger Nostromo May 27, 2018 5:18 PM  

You people have not seen any of the Soy Wars movies, obviously.

Blogger weka May 27, 2018 6:01 PM  

But the nurses. On second thoughts, including the nurses.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len May 27, 2018 6:04 PM  

Apparently everybody's favorite public intellectual is more powerful than we ever imagined: he made this happen!

"Cut the BS, Dorset, about 8 hours ago

Epic fail for Identity gender politics and massive win for Jordan Peterson."

Blogger Dire Badger May 27, 2018 6:12 PM  

Matamoros wrote:@43 Nah, if military service in time of need is a man's civic duty, producing babies is a woman's.

So the women should report to the Fertilization Cinic to be immediately fertilized?


If that's what it takes.

Blogger Jack Amok May 27, 2018 6:17 PM  

Intelligence, logistics, and acquisition aren't sexy...

They are if the chickadee doing the job wants them to be. Which is pretty much the problem Stg58/Animal Mother is talking about.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 27, 2018 6:22 PM  

Ever seen the WM's relaxing in the supply office while the male Marines are in the warehouse moving boxes, counting shelter halves, etc.? Supply isn't sexy, you won't get the Navy Cross for it, but you have to have it.

Blogger Robert What? May 27, 2018 6:38 PM  

Female combat soldiers are not just a benign symbol. They actually put their male colleagues in grave harm's way in real combat. That's because the men have to pick up the slack for all the things the women can't do.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 6:58 PM  

"So the women should report to the Fertilization Cinic to be immediately fertilized?"

No, that would be even more dys-civilizational, but their families should be barring them from the military and pushing them toward marriages, hard.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 7:00 PM  

Make that "barring them from careers in general". They shouldn't legally be permitted to join the military in the first place.

Blogger Avalanche May 27, 2018 8:34 PM  

@32 "As a person of extreme matronliness she thought she'd do well in the 'infantry'... but it wasn't quite what she was expecting."

Sorry, you've made a small typo:

thought she'd do well in the 'infant-tray'

Blogger Avalanche May 27, 2018 8:39 PM  

@36 "I served with females for all of my 20 year Navy career. They are mostly OK on shore commands"

Nope. Wrong. When THEY take shore billets, the MEN don't get to come ashore! When a man loses his chance to spend a year at home with his family -- then it's just wrong!

AND it damages both the men and unit cohesion and the ships' operations and th... well... I've come to recognize that, yup, women ruin everything.

Sincerely apologetically,
Avalanche, USNR Lieutenant "released."
(Well, released back in 1983...)

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 27, 2018 10:19 PM  

@85, @86: that's the reality. Women have one job. Just one job.

Unless you poison a girl's mind, she's going to want a husband and children ASAP.

Blogger Harambe May 28, 2018 4:42 AM  

Women's combat role is to make more canon fodder for the globalists

Blogger Unknown May 28, 2018 6:32 AM  

The plain, unvarnished truth is that all lobbyists in favour of girlying Western military “forces” are Muslim supremacist sympathisers. The easiest way to beat the West is to make its armies (etc) ineffective.

Blogger S'mon May 28, 2018 8:02 AM  

I don't think anyone expects Islam to defeat Western armies on the battlefield. The idea is to breed us out, plus conversion. Terror and other forms of non Trinitarian war are part of that, but no Tours or Lepanto.

Blogger Unknown May 28, 2018 12:20 PM  

@88

I meant as far as on the job performance goes.

Your gripe about lack of shore billets is well taken, but that cannot be solely laid at the feet of women. The drive to hire DoD civilians to do jobs on shore formerly done by uniformed military has a much larger role in the loss of shore billets.

Blogger p35flash May 28, 2018 1:17 PM  

I believe the French referred to it as "Elan".

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 28, 2018 1:24 PM  

That's right. Japanese referred to it as Gyokusai Spirit. We refer to it as heart.

Blogger B.J. May 29, 2018 9:44 AM  

It always starts with "You can't keep out women because they're meeting the same standards as men," shortly followed by, "Actually those standards are too high, no one needs to march five miles carrying a backpack AND a gun AND ammo. That's what trucks are for. In fact those standards are sexist."

Blogger Roger G2 May 29, 2018 5:59 PM  

You’re forgetting the U.S. Civil War, when many females-black and white-kept fighting for both sides despite having limbs sawn off by surgeons. Also, Agincourt. The Seige of Constantinople. The list goes on into antiquity.

Blogger Thucydides May 29, 2018 8:37 PM  

The Canadian Armed Forces has a goal of integrating 25% of every trade with females:

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/programs/defence-ideas/current-opportunities/all-challenges.html

Blogger BriarRabbit May 30, 2018 2:38 AM  

Those women were different creatures in a different time. Changes nothing about the difficulties presented by having them in today's military.

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