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Friday, May 18, 2018

Suffer the children

Peter Grant hammers the Catholic hierarchy for its latest massive moral failing:
Every Chilean bishop offered to resign Friday over a sex abuse and cover-up scandal, in the biggest shakeup ever in the Catholic Church's long-running abuse saga. It marked the first known time in history that an entire national bishops conference had offered to resign en masse over scandal, and laid bare the devastation that the abuse crisis has caused the Catholic Church in Chile and beyond...  The whole report hasn't been made public, but even the highlights Francis included in his footnotes were astonishing. The gravity of the accusations appeared to lay the foundation for a full-scale Vatican investigation of Chilean dioceses, seminaries and religious orders. Such an investigation was ordered up after a similar 2010 summit that Pope Benedict XVI called for Irish bishops over their dismal record dealing with abuse.

Let me be absolutely blunt about this.  The Catholic Church, as an institution, and its bishops acting as a collective, have lied, are lying, and will continue to lie to the people of God about this problem.  They have no interest whatsoever in resolving it - only in protecting their own power, and the institution of the Church as a whole, and its power and prestige in society.  They do not care about the individuals involved, or the victims . . . or the good clergy who have been tainted with the stench of this scandal.

How can I say that?  It's very simple.  Actions speak louder than words - and lack of action is, in itself, an action.  The Church, in the United States, in Chile, in the Vatican, and elsewhere, has taken little or no effective, meaningful action against those who were ultimately responsible for this scandal - namely, its bishops and administrators, who routinely concealed the extent of the problem, shuffled offenders around among themselves, and allowed them to continue to offend, rather than deal with the matter.  Even after the scandal blew up, many leaders of the Church continued to try to defend their offices and the institution of the Church, rather than admit that the situation was absolutely indefensible.  Many of the worst offenders were whisked off to Rome and given sheltered employment there, safe from extradition or any legal consequences of their neglect.  Many are still there.

The Church has also failed to act against the breeding-grounds for so many of these problems - its seminaries.
Let this be a lesson to you. No organization is safe, no matter what is professed intentions are. If you do not actively seek to eradicate evil from creeping in, it will do so. There are worse things than SJWs.

Do not seek to defend the Roman Catholic Church. It has manifestly become an institution utterly riddled by evil. Pray for it, demand its reformation, work to restore it, as you see fit, but do not think to defend it. There is no defense of what it has become since the cancer of Vatican II.

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Blogger Shamgar May 18, 2018 12:33 PM  

This is why I only attend the old Mass. In Latin. Like a priest has often said in his homilies, if you don't pray for good shepherds, you won't get any.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 18, 2018 12:37 PM  

Grant hits the nail on the head in the last sentence The seminaries are where the RCC dies.

Blogger Warunicorn May 18, 2018 12:42 PM  

I had once considered the priesthood until I found out what goes on at some seminaries. (Remember, this is Boston-area.) I decided I didn't want any part of that, because if I did, I would burn it to the ground.

The faith hasn't changed for me; the Church, however, has and not for the better, especially not with f*ckwits like Francis leading it. The Vatican is like America and the rest of this sorry, sinful, physical world: In desperate need of a purging.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2018 12:45 PM  

Who'd a thunk that a ``celibate,'' all male priesthood would become a haven for homosexuals? Who'd a thunk that a priesthood taken over by homos would engage in systematic sexual predation of the vulnerable? Who could possibly have seen it coming?

I wonder why the Orthodox denominations let their priests marry?

This is yet another sad day for the Roman Church - one of many sad days. I'm very sorry for the Christians who remain in it.

Anonymous Anonymous May 18, 2018 12:47 PM  

The only reason Hi-Fellatin' Franny is releasing this much is to cover his own pedo ass - he apparently prefers Bolivian rent-boys according to Barnhardt. This sudden revelation is much like (((Pedowood))) and (((fake news))) suddenly revealing all the stuff about Harvey the Hutt and all the other #metoo tales of woe from the casting couch. Buys them some time to cover up even worse things.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2018 12:50 PM  

Salvation comes through faith in Christ. I believe that was the teaching of the Roman Church, right? You don't need any particular church if you have Jesus. No church is going to save you if you don't have Jesus.

Blogger liberranter May 18, 2018 12:50 PM  

It should come as a surprise to no one that an organization created out of the deceived remnants of the original Christian church by a deceitful, megalomanaical, muderous Roman pagan (who faked "conversion" to the faith for purely selfish political purposes) who grafted pagan Roman practices and symbols onto the skin suite from the body he had just co-opted and killed would continue to indulge unchecked in depraved behavior. Any similarities between Roman Catholicism and true New Testament Christianity have always been purely coincidental and unintended.

Blogger veryfunnyminion May 18, 2018 12:50 PM  

This is not a sexual abuse story. It is a homosexual abuse story. This is incredibly relevant but always ignored. Hello, Vatican II and gay priests. So long as they "aren't practicing".

This is not a celibacy issue. This is not a not letting priests marry issue. This is a letting the gays near kids issue. Hello Boy Scouts. Yet somehow everyone can tap-dance around this issue and make hay on their favourite criticism of the Church.

"Outside of the Catholic Church, the overwhelming numbers of juvenile victims of sexual abuse are female. Within the church, however, four out of five of their victims are male."

https://kek.gg/u/376CJ

BTW, the Argentinian cabana boy #NotMyPope

Anonymous Anonymous May 18, 2018 12:51 PM  

I wonder why the Orthodox denominations let their priests marry?

Only parish priests can marry. The hierarchy above them comes from the Monasteries, which are celibate. There might be some differences from church to church (e.g. Russian vs. Greek vs. Syrian), but the rule seems pretty consistent from what I can tell.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook May 18, 2018 12:53 PM  

@8 Benedict is still the pope : https://www.barnhardt.biz/2018/05/08/the-bergoglian-antipapacy-how-it-happened-and-how-to-fix-it/

Its a bit of a read so get a cup of coffee but its good.

Blogger SDaly May 18, 2018 12:55 PM  

Went to a funeral last week. It was the first time I'd been in a Catholic Church for a while (I usually go to Lutheran services.)

I was overwhelmed by how weak and uninspiring the priest was. The funeral mass was for an Irish catholic woman, and this stooping, pleading, baby boomer, non-Hispanic priest kept using Spanish phrases, for no apparent purpose, throughout the service. Threw out an out-of-the-blue plea to "welcome strangers" too.

Although, I didn't like most of the priests I knew as a kid (pre-Vatican II vintage operating in a Vatican II world), they weren't visibly weak and feminine.

The Music was terrible, artwork was horrendous. My brother, who still goes to Mass, said that they younger crop of priests (what few they are), are a different, better breed and he sees some hope there. His parish is changing as people unhappy with hearing tough words in church leave, and others actively looking for real moral leadership are joining.

Blogger Jonathon Davies May 18, 2018 12:57 PM  

I'm Catholic and I don't know what to do anymore. Do I give up? Convert to another church?

Anonymous Anonymous May 18, 2018 12:57 PM  

In the Orthodox Church, a priest must be married before he is ordained. After he is ordained he may not marry, and if his wife dies (or leaves for any reason) he may not remarry.
The Orthodox clergy is divided into two groups, so called "white priests" are parish priests that may marry as stated above, "black priests" are monks and may not marry under any circumstances. The white/black dichotomy is a reference to the color of their vestments.

Blogger Warunicorn May 18, 2018 12:59 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Who'd a thunk that a ``celibate,'' all male priesthood would become a haven for homosexuals? Who'd a thunk that a priesthood taken over by homos would engage in systematic sexual predation of the vulnerable? Who could possibly have seen it coming?

I wonder why the Orthodox denominations let their priests marry?

This is yet another sad day for the Roman Church - one of many sad days. I'm very sorry for the Christians who remain in it.


There is the Eastern Rite but they're so small compared to the Roman Rite. Lots of history there. It all just breaks my heart nonetheless. It hasn't shaken my faith though; rather, I just see how human people are and how tied they are to this physical world.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2018 1:00 PM  

genkong wrote:Only parish priests can marry. The hierarchy above them comes from the Monasteries, which are celibate.

The gray priests and the black priests, right?

So, those with power are celibate, and thus less likely to try to establish dynasties, while those with easy access to children are married.

I doubt it works well, but I think it's working better than the Roman model.

I find the whole notion of priests unbiblical. Those of us who have accepted Jesus have direct access to God, and don't need intermediaries. However, a church hierarchy of some sort seems necessary. If you're going to have priests, you need to keep them centered on Christ, or you wind up with Vatican II and every bishop in Chile enabling child-rape.

Anonymous Anonymous May 18, 2018 1:01 PM  

Benedict still is the Pope.

Homos infiltrating the seminaries goes back to the '30s. Until these f*cks die from old age, not much is gonna change unfortunately.

Fr. Zushldorf was expelled from seminary for adhering to transubstantiation.

Something that truly frightens the old guard and those in the hierarchy (bishops and higher) is my generation prefers EF Mass and the older style.

Those of us that remain in the Church due to Christ having found it and his promise to Peter, the first Pope.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook May 18, 2018 1:01 PM  

@12 Dont give up join the cool kids over at ann's: https://www.barnhardt.biz/

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 18, 2018 1:03 PM  

No hierarchy means no ability to cover up, shuffle around or obfuscate. You don't need any kind of hierarchy in Christianity. The enabling child rape happened because there was a hierarchy. Scrap it utterly!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 18, 2018 1:03 PM  

No hierarchy also means no convergence possible of the whole church body or denomination. Nothing to wear as a skin suit.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2018 1:04 PM  

Jonathon Davies wrote:I'm Catholic and I don't know what to do anymore. Do I give up? Convert to another church?

Salvation comes through your faith in Christ. It really doesn't matter which denomination or congregation you are a part of. Either stay and fight the poz or go to another denomination. Pray, then act. You can serve God either way.

Blogger Matamoros May 18, 2018 1:05 PM  

There is no defense of what it has become since the cancer of Vatican II.

Basically any institution becomes invaded by evil. However, only the Catholic Church as our Lord's promise that it will never fail, no matter how bad it may seem to be. Matt. 16:18-19

Vatican II is gradually being weeded out of the Church. My parish now in the novus ordo uses latin chant, is ad orientam, traditional in teaching, is moving the tabernacle back to the center of the altar, etc., etc.

I wonder why the Orthodox denominations let their priests marry? Remember their bishops and monks are all celibate. They are rampant with homosexuals as well. In Russian Orthodoxy unless you are a bishops butt boy you can't get into the hierarchy, or so I've been told by Russian priests.

Blogger Warunicorn May 18, 2018 1:06 PM  

Jonathon Davies wrote:I'm Catholic and I don't know what to do anymore. Do I give up? Convert to another church?

You don't give up and leave; the Church gave up and left you with its wicked adherents (and dare I say, heretics).

My advice, if you still want to participate in Mass, is to go somewhere where you feel welcomed. You believe in the risen Christ and that's all that matters to me in the end.

Blogger Crush Limbraw May 18, 2018 1:07 PM  

Next to Conservative failure you have the bigger one - Churchianity! Both have been leavened by the culture to the point where culture drives the pundit and pulpit
When Jesus said "....go and make disciples of all nations....." - Matthew 28:18-20 - He meant it.
So - "Do Your Job!"

Blogger 357Delta May 18, 2018 1:14 PM  

The Reformation, which never reached Latin America due to the Inquisition is now happening. Upwards of 25% of the population is now Protestant and expected to rise dramatically at the expense of Catholicism over the next 50 years. Scandals like this will expedite the exodus.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2018 1:15 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:No hierarchy also means no convergence possible of the whole church body or denomination. Nothing to wear as a skin suit.

The Baptists may have a reasonable level of hierarchy. There is a denomination with seminaries and oversight, but congregations own their property, select their pastors, elders and deacons, and pretty much govern themselves. You can take over a congregation, maybe, but you can't get the whole denomination without taking over all the congregations.

At the denomination level, church discipline boils down to ``Follow our doctrine or you can't call yourself a Baptist.'' That's why there are hundreds of flavors of Baptist, divided by minute differences of doctrine.

As a significant number of congregations are taken over in a Baptist denomination, they begin to affect the denomination convention, and agitate for reinterpretation of doctrine. That's when they are either thrown out, or abandoned by the un-pozzed remnant.

A Leftist works very hard to get a very raggedy skin suit when he goes after Baptists.

Blogger PCA May 18, 2018 1:15 PM  

I know not to abandon the Church in the middle of its passion.

Blogger Didas Kalos May 18, 2018 1:18 PM  

You need to convert to Jesus Christ instead of the organization. Repent and believe the Gospel. Get saved. If you are not saved - you are not safe. Read what Jesus said in revelation 2 and 3. Come out he said. No equivocation.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 18, 2018 1:18 PM  

Ominous Cowherd,

Yes, the Baptists overall areuch more resistant to convergence but boy howdy have they fallen hard for Churchianism. Some of the worst of them are Baptist, like Russell Land and Albert Mohler.

Blogger kurt9 May 18, 2018 1:19 PM  

This is the problem with monopoly authoritarianism. It always becomes corrupt.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 18, 2018 1:20 PM  

Lakewood Church started out as a Baptist Church. We know how that turned out.

Blogger DonReynolds May 18, 2018 1:24 PM  

I am not Roman Catholic, nor are any of my relatives...but I take no pleasure or joy from their pain and shame they experience when Catholic clergy misbehave and abuse their office, most especially when it involves underage boys and girls. I have never tried to rub their nose in it, because I know for a fact that the Protestant churches have the same problem. Which is worse, we have no way of knowing.

The difference between Protestant and Roman Catholic seems to be the response of the church. The Catholic church has a history of protecting clergy who are accused of misbehavior, by moving them to another state or country, or giving them refuge from the civil authorities, or frustrating any official investigation. The Protestant churches are more likely to turn on such clergy and burn them at the stake or hang them in the churchyard. Yes, there may be exceptions too.

For the Catholic clergy there is a historical issue, which was highlighted in the Thomas Becket story. The Church insisted that clergy cannot be arrested and tried by the civil authorities but only corrected by the Church under canon law instead, so this is a very old controversy. Becket protected a minor clergyman who had been accused of defiling a girl and the local civil authority insisted on enforcing the law against that sort of thing. Ultimately, it led to Becket's own murder.

Blogger B.J. May 18, 2018 1:26 PM  

I think this is amazing how it's somehow a catholic priest problem. It's actually a gay priest problem. Get rid of the gays, no problem.

Blogger MendoScot May 18, 2018 1:32 PM  

Here in Mendoza, on the other side of the Andes, we have an ongoing scandal of multiple pedophile priests in the Provolo Institute for deaf children.

As the linked story says, there is little chance that Franny didn't know.

"No other pope has spoken as passionately about the evil of child sex abuse as Francis. No other pope has invoked 'zero tolerance' as often. No other pope has promised accountability of church superiors," said Anne Barrett Doyle, co-director of BishopAccountability, an online resource about clerical abuse. "In light of the crimes against the helpless children in Mendoza, the Pope's assurances seem empty indeed."

Recently I discovered from some friends who had their children in a local Jesuit school that two of the kids (6 and 8) had been abused by a priest there. He was moved to another diocese, but no report was made to the police, as far as they can tell, since the local bishop refuses to talk to them anymore. They wrote to the bishop of the new diocese since they didn't know if he had been alerted as to the reason for the transfer, and didn't even receive an acknowledgement of having received the letter.

So, yeah, it's an ongoing problem and the Catholic church continues to handle the cases in the same way. Deny, hide, do nothing.

Blogger Crew May 18, 2018 1:33 PM  

OT, but more fraud in science:

https://www.sciencealert.com/texas-cancer-researcher-caught-using-own-blood-100-samples-elqutub-retraction-salivary-gland-carcinoma

Blogger Teleros May 18, 2018 1:33 PM  

Jonathon Davies wrote:I'm Catholic and I don't know what to do anymore. Do I give up? Convert to another church?

Fight or find a new home. Is there any way you can influence the running of your local church?

Ominous Cowherd wrote:I find the whole notion of priests unbiblical.

Consider them as something like "wise & learned teacher & leader in church services" and it makes more sense than as an intermediary. As far as hierarchy goes... don't knock it. For starters, MPAI. In addition to that, I doubt you're going to see a corruption-proof anything until one of the following happens:

1. Mentor of Arisia intervenes.
2. We put insanely secure AIs in charge of a lot of this stuff, with the legal authority to, for example, excommunicate people.
3. Judgement Day.

IOW, this is part of the endless war that we're called upon to fight.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2018 1:34 PM  

Matamoros wrote:However, only the Catholic Church as our Lord's promise that it will never fail, no matter how bad it may seem to be. Matt. 16:18-19


This sort of claim is why so many people make fun of papists. Get the context:

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


Peter's faith came from God. Divinely given faith is the rock on which Jesus builds the Father's church. God wants you to accept that same gift of faith.

God's church will never fail. Denominations will come and go. If the Roman denomination wants to claim that promise in Matthew 16, they had better get right with God. They can't just ride on Peter's coat tails.

Blogger Looking Glass May 18, 2018 1:38 PM  

@28 Stg58/Animal Mother

It's simply the structure.

RCC is setup like an Empire. It's been converged like an Empire.
Orthodox are built around national identity, thus they are constrained within their nations.
Protestantism started as being around Churches, but quickly built up around specific Men.

All fail into their lowest state around where the structure they use. It also let's you predict the way they'll act, which is part why convergence is so destructive.

The only solution the RCC has is stakes, wood and fire.

Blogger MendoScot May 18, 2018 1:40 PM  

And here is a summary of the evidence that Franny not only knew but participated in covering up multiple cases.

Blogger Ronin F9 May 18, 2018 1:41 PM  

The only way for Catholic Church to redeem itself is to appoint groups inside the Church like the Knights of Columbus to engage in a Inquisition against homo-kiddie-diddlers. Hunt them down, excommunicate them, make them 'disappear'. Otherwise the entire organization will have to be burned to the ground and every Catholic eyed with suspicion and derision.

Blogger John May 18, 2018 1:44 PM  

These people follow you. If you don't stand and fight, you'll just see the new place you love destroyed as well.

Blogger MendoScot May 18, 2018 1:44 PM  

Crew wrote:OT, but more fraud in science:

If you want to track how often it occurs, have a look at retractionwatch.com. It's a weekly visit for me...

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2018 1:44 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Ominous Cowherd,

Yes, the Baptists overall areuch more resistant to convergence but boy howdy have they fallen hard for Churchianism. Some of the worst of them are Baptist, like Russell Land and Albert Mohler.


Resistant to convergence is nothing like convergence-proof. Churchianism is the Left's mostly successful attack against the Church in the West. The only advantage Baptists have here is that the Left must infect every congregation. They cannot just impose churchianism from above.

DonReynolds wrote:I am not Roman Catholic, nor are any of my relatives...but I take no pleasure or joy from their pain and shame they experience when Catholic clergy misbehave and abuse their office,

Same here. Despite their silly claims to be universal and the only church. Still, they preach salvation through faith in Christ, and as long as they keep on with that I'll wish them well.

B.J. wrote:I think this is amazing how it's somehow a catholic priest problem. It's actually a gay priest problem. Get rid of the gays, no problem.

I think there would still be problems, but the institutional sexual predation might well stop.

Blogger Wanderer May 18, 2018 1:46 PM  

Jonathon Davies wrote:I'm Catholic and I don't know what to do anymore. Do I give up? Convert to another church?

First, get saved: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA8_fqUZLEU

Second, get out of the Catholic Church and never go back.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2018 1:49 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:RCC is setup like an Empire. It's been converged like an Empire.

Orthodox are built around national identity, thus they are constrained within their nations.

Protestantism started as being around Churches, but quickly built up around specific Men.


Every institution run by humans is a human institution, and will eventually turn away from God. Sometimes God lets them fade away, sometimes He hauls them back. God isn't interested in institutions, but in individuals.

Blogger Curlytop May 18, 2018 1:53 PM  

That is bc the Southern Baptist effectively usurped that.

Blogger Man of The West May 18, 2018 2:12 PM  

As a Catholic, I can attest that every single, and I mean every single, Catholic that I know is vehemently opposed to this pope, and the Vatican as an institution. The solution is to let priests marry, and to kick out any and all homosexuals from the church’s ranks.

Blogger Rabbi B May 18, 2018 2:13 PM  

...sex abuse and cover-up scandal

Millstones. Must have more millstones.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 18, 2018 2:14 PM  

Roll a big millstone in front of your local Catholic Church and let it thud on to the steps. That should send a message.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 18, 2018 2:16 PM  

Looking Glass,

I know it's the structure. That's why I said the hierarchy should be eliminated. There should be no human church hierarchy. Each local body of believers should be accountable directly to God.

Blogger Shamgar May 18, 2018 2:27 PM  

Maybe Benedict was right. A smaller Church, but holier.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 18, 2018 2:30 PM  

I'm Catholic and I don't know what to do anymore. Do I give up? Convert to another church?

@12 Jonathon Davies
For the one-billionth time: the solution to non-Catholic fag SJWs taking over the Church hierarchy is to dump the Church hierarchy, NOT the Faith.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook May 18, 2018 2:31 PM  

@50 If a man like Benedict throws his hands up and walks away you know things are horrible. That being said what better a time to be alive and what a time to fight for the church.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2018 2:33 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:@12 Jonathon Davies

For the one-billionth time: the solution to non-Catholic fag SJWs taking over the Church hierarchy is to dump the Church hierarchy, NOT the Faith.


Have faith in Jesus, not in any church. Keep the faith, dump the hierarchy.

Blogger Eze Garcés May 18, 2018 2:35 PM  

I'm not catholic,but you seem to read a lot of Chick Tracts

Blogger Lazarus May 18, 2018 2:40 PM  

And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

Blogger Credo in unum Deum May 18, 2018 2:45 PM  

@12. . . . If they are available in your area check out the SSPX. Go to Mass. You will hear nothing that departs from Traditional Doctrine and gives you good advice on how to live your life.

Blogger cavalier973 May 18, 2018 2:49 PM  

Didn't Q announce that the Pope was going to have a difficult May?

Blogger GreenEyedJinn May 18, 2018 2:49 PM  

Change a few words of Peter Grant's blog post, and you have the vast majority of Washington, DC.

Blogger tz May 18, 2018 2:52 PM  

Every thousand years or so...

It was exactly the same back around 1050


Now if they would only do the the public schools and teachers, Pakastani Muslims in the UK (and elsewhere), and to everyone who ever associated with Jeff Epstine what they are doing - justly - to the RCC, the world would be a much better place.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) May 18, 2018 3:05 PM  

Every Chilean bishop offered to resign Friday

this is barely the minimum response that could even remotely be considered appropriate.

what of Chile's cardinal?

what of the Pope(s)?

what restitution will be made?

what corrective actions is the Church proposing?

so long as the Pope(s) continue to demonstrate that they are not overly concerned by this behavior, why should any lesser member of the clergy do otherwise?

the Catholic fish ( mitre reference ) rots from the head.

Blogger Brett baker May 18, 2018 3:12 PM  

Why do you think the monks made sure that of all secular Greek Literature,"Pederasty is Good for Boys" writings had plenty of copies?

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) May 18, 2018 3:19 PM  

4. Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2018 12:45 PM
I wonder why the Orthodox denominations let their priests marry?



i wonder why Paul stated that it was a requirement to be an Elder of the Church that you be married and have children?

he really should have explained that better.



17. ghostfromplanetspook May 18, 2018 1:01 PM
Dont give up join the cool kids over at ann's:


Ann ain't so cool.

she's still all about the celibate clergy, usury and you know how everybody is so concerned about the abuse of ecclesiastical authority?

that's because the Clergy consider themselves as separate from the Laity of the Church proper.

something which the Catholics first started allowing back during the Donatism issue.

and Ann is on the anti-Donatist side. even though Paul was explicitly against that.



31. DonReynolds May 18, 2018 1:24 PM
but I take no pleasure or joy from their pain and shame



while a Diabolical Narcissist does. Ann's not completely wrong about everything.

making Catholic Laity feel pain and shame about their Church is, in most ways, counter productive.

but the fact that the Clergy feels no pain and shame for what is done in their name? that's Damning.

Blogger Lovekraft May 18, 2018 3:22 PM  

It's not just the RC org. It's synagogues, mosques, temples and, most notably, public schools. There's a lot of this going on everywhere. Best to not focus on the easy target - the RCC. Keep pressing to spread the investigation into the Abrahamaics.

Blogger Taignobias May 18, 2018 3:22 PM  

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

Worse things than SJWs, indeed. They are but children of these forces.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2018 3:27 PM  

bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) wrote:Ann ain't so cool.

she's still all about the celibate clergy, usury and ...


Ann seems to be Christian, but she is very much a Roman cultist. It probably won't preclude her salvation, but it certainly makes her a fool on so many issues.

bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) wrote:while a Diabolical Narcissist does. Ann's not completely wrong about everything.

On things she can think about without triggering her cult programming, she often does well.

Blogger Gary Eden May 18, 2018 3:53 PM  

This predates Vatican II by hundreds and thousands of years. Several popes in the middle ages were thought to be involved with homosexuality or little boys.

Whereever the rot came from, it was well set in by the time the RCC decided priests must be celibate in clear violation of Paul's admonition that bishops be elder of one wife.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 18, 2018 4:19 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:
@12 Jonathon Davies

For the one-billionth time: the solution to non-Catholic fag SJWs taking over the Church hierarchy is to dump the Church hierarchy, NOT the Faith.


Have faith in Jesus, not in any church. Keep the faith, dump the hierarchy.


@53 Ominous Cowherd
I meant to dump the Novus Ordo Church hierarchy, not the Catholic Faith. The Protestant faith is a different thing.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook May 18, 2018 4:22 PM  

@62 Donatism is for fedora tippers tbh.

Blogger Sillon Bono May 18, 2018 4:28 PM  

Besides the pedo stuff which I do not exonerate, the timing of the news is a bit suspicious (((for other reasons)))

Blogger Sillon Bono May 18, 2018 4:29 PM  

Sorry forgot to add the link: http://www.fides.org/en/news/64194-ASIA_HOLY_LAND_Catholic_Bishops_the_massacre_in_Gaza_could_have_been_avoided_Jerusalem_can_also_be_the_capital_of_Palestine

Anonymous Anonymous May 18, 2018 4:29 PM  

Disclaimer: I am a Catholic and teach in a Catholic school.

This news is distressing but not surprising. Satan's attack on civilization and mankind continues to accelerate. All hierarchies of power like the State, the Church, public school systems, corporations, Boy Scouts, and so forth are under extreme attack.

I know that Vox Day says that Alt-Right is inevitable, but does that mean that we will not see horrors upon horrors before Western Civilization and the real Church can be cleansed of the Satanic infiltrators?

These priests and bishops need to be tortured to death. Videos of extreme torture of the bastards should be shown in Seminary. I can only hope and pray that the victims find justice, nay, ... vengeance.

Anonymous Anonymous May 18, 2018 4:36 PM  

There is no defense of what it has become since the cancer of Vatican II.

The cancer of schism, more like. 1054 is the root of all of this. When the Roman Church ceased to be accountable to the other sister Churches, she became a harlot.

That's why I said the hierarchy should be eliminated. There should be no human church hierarchy.

Sorry, Christ Himself instituted a hierarchical church. The failure of specific humans to follow the Holy Spirit is not His failure to lead them.

Blogger TroubleSpeak May 18, 2018 4:46 PM  

12. But these people [false teachers] blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish. 13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you. 14. With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood! 2 Peter 2:12-14

And no, churchians, comparing people to animals is not sinful.

Blogger Clint May 18, 2018 4:57 PM  

Just to clarify:
Orthdox priest can be married or not, but the earlier commenter is correct. Whatever the marriage status at ordination is set. If single when ordained, then they remain so. If married, and wife dies or leaves, they must remain unmarried or give up their ordination.
Orthodox Bishops are celibate. They are not necessarily monks. Some are, but not all. Some are widowers, for example. Some are just priests that chose to be celibate.

As for vestment colors, depending on jurisdiction, all priests wear the same color, regardless of married state. For example, if it Pentecost, then Antiochian priests will wear green vestments. The only difference is that Hieromonks (monk priests) will have headgear that non monks do not.

As to buggery in monasteries, I have no knowledge of that, but since people are involved, I am sure it happens. I have never heard of any widespread problem with it.
And yes, I am Orthodox.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 18, 2018 5:02 PM  

Ages345,

What hierarchy did Jesus institute?

Blogger Eric I. Gatera. May 18, 2018 5:08 PM  

"Every Chilean bishop offered to resign Friday over a sex abuse and cover-up scandal, in the biggest shakeup ever in the Catholic Church's long-running abuse saga."

This is frankly a great news for us Catholics. We thank God for the expulsion of the enemies of the Church. They have been tarnishing the Holy Church for quite a while. May the Lord continuous His purification process.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z-txTGT09U

Mat 13:27  So the servants of the householder came and said to him, Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? Then where have the darnel come from? 
Mat 13:28  He said to them, An enemy has done this. The servants said to him, Then do you want us to go and gather them up? 
Mat 13:29  But he said, No, lest while you gather up the darnel you also root up the wheat with them. 
Mat 13:30  Let both grow together until the harvest. And in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, First gather together the darnel and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my granary. 

Blogger Wynn Lloyd May 18, 2018 5:14 PM  

The TLM repels the perverts like it did the vampires of Central and Eastern European folklore.
That's really the true Church. Wherever the True Mass is celebrated.
The Novus Ordo is corrupt, from the parish all the way to the Vatican.

Blogger Durandel May 18, 2018 5:17 PM  

I am a traditionalist Catholic, Studies in Catholic seminary. Was previously a Baptist, prior to that I was non-denom, and prior to that I was an atheist. To some of the anti-Catholic comments, I want to slap some of you for your ignorance but then I recall that your ignorance is no worse than most Catholics about their own faith. The hierarchy has it’s purpose in apostolic tradition and as given by Christ to the apostles; the tradition of celibacy comes from the Pauline tradition; the ministerial priesthood comes from the continuation of the Levite priesthood while we also have the communist priesthood as members of the body of Christ; etc etc. You can find this info from reputable sources if you care too rather than perpetuating falsehoods from the 30 years war on up to America’s anti-Catholic legacy.

That said, there is no defending the Catholic hierarchy. For Catholics and no here, look up the history of the infiltration of the Catholic Church. Look up the KGB and their operation of Liberation Theology in Latin America. Also look up Bella Dodd of the American Communist Party who converted and testified that the Communists got over 1200 men into Catholic seminaries in the USA alone to help with subverting the Church. Did the Catholic hierarchy do an investigation and purge? No. They did the wrong thing, the weak thing, and refused to deal with the heretics, Communist or Modernist. It’s the rotten fruit of this and other infiltrations into the Church that culminated in Vatican II and the rampant, majorly homosexual child abuse in the Catholic Church. We Protestantized the Cath Church with Vat II and now have a clergy that preaches the World rather than preaches the Truth to it. Look at Pope Francis. There is a process to “impeach” a pope and the Cardinals who wrote the Dubai blinked (and two died) when it came time to call for an Imperfect Council.

All of the Church, Protestant and Catholic, in the West is divided and weak. If Christendom is to be saved, we Christians will someday have to realize the goal of Christ’s prayer after the last supper.

May God have mercy on us all, and may He deliver true justice to these wolves in shepherd’s clothing.

As to Catholics who are shaken by everything, especially this and the plethora of sewage that seems to swim around the Pontifex Marxifix that is Pope Francis, find a conservative/traditional parish willing to do the Extraordinary Form of the Mass (Latin Mass) or at the very least does the Novus Ordo in Latin, properly facing liturgical East, with chant and other good, appropriate sacred music. If necessary, move. If not, try to convince a parish locally or at the very least, give your money to the FSSP or the Institute of Christ the King since the last edition of Canon Law removes the requirement to tithe to your local territorial parish. Starve the bishops and the sections of the Church that promote all the Modernist garbage. Also join/read Church Militant and One Peter Five to find some Catholics online who are talking about the problems so you don’t feel alone. And have some balls to make fun of the garbage you see at Mass and to attend your parish hall meetings in order to shut down the local SJWs trying to Liz your parish even further. Fight the good fight for St. Pete’s sake!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 18, 2018 5:18 PM  

Dear Chilean bishops,
Antes que ustedes parten, could you tell us who the God-damned pederasts are? Gracias.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd May 18, 2018 5:21 PM  

Yeah. It's amazing how Constantine's conversion is portrayed as political and disingenuous. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Christians were still a small minority at that time. Diocletian led a massive persecution that Constantine could have continued.
His mother stayed on him about Christianity, though. That's likely what did it. That and the battle at Milvian Bridge, however that worked in reality.

Constantine killing people, even his own relatives, doesn't detract for the sincerity of his belief in Christ.
The pagans didn't have the benefit of centuries of Christianity to draw from. They had no moral foundation outside of Paganism, which was henotheism at its most moral form at that time.

It took the Church a millennium to truly turn the Germanic peoples, Slavs, Magyars, etc. into cultural Christians.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd May 18, 2018 5:21 PM  

Thank you! I look forward to reading it.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd May 18, 2018 5:24 PM  

Find a Tridentine Mass near you. There's one nearby most likely. It's a totally different experience.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2018 5:36 PM  

Durandel wrote:... I want to slap some of you for your ignorance but then I recall that your ignorance is no worse than most Catholics about their own faith.

I have always said that one of the weakest points of the Roman church is that they don't actually teach theology to their members. When they do teach theology, the Gospel is often obscured in a mess of tradition, which leads to crazy cultists like Ann Barnhardt, who seem to know about Jesus, but somehow still believe that the magical Roman tradition is essential to salvation.

In so far as the Roman church preaches the Gospel, I support it. In so far as they preach Jesus and all that other stuff, they risk leading more people astray.

Wynn Lloyd wrote:The TLM repels the perverts like it did the vampires of Central and Eastern European folklore.

That's really the true Church. Wherever the True Mass is celebrated.


Who needs that ol' Jesus when you have the magical mass?

Yes, I know that the Mass celebrates (or maybe repeats?) Jesus' sacrifice. But that's not what you said. You said that the ceremony itself is efficacious. That kind of talk makes the Roman church sound like a crazy cult.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir May 18, 2018 5:49 PM  

"Do not seek to defend the Roman Catholic Church. It has manifestly become an institution utterly riddled by evil."

Which church are we talking about here--the true Roman Catholic Church or the usurping Vatican II fraud (that poses as the "Catholic Church") which drove it into the catacombs?

Blogger Damaris Tighe May 18, 2018 6:12 PM  

so wut did they do to the pope that still lives ?

why do we have a communist hippy on the throne ?

why didn't francis offer his famous line ''who am i to judge''?

Blogger Damaris Tighe May 18, 2018 6:16 PM  

i really don't get this widely popular sentiment that it is 'understandable really, that men who aren't allowed to marry abuse children'

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 18, 2018 6:21 PM  

Whatever Durandel. You're going to slap us? Fuck off.

Blogger Daniel May 18, 2018 6:28 PM  

Otro argentino!

Blogger Catholic May 18, 2018 6:29 PM  

The latest child sex abuse scandal is indeed an abomination. Those involved, either as perpetrators or as abettors, must be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

But let's be clear: the "Catholic Church" referred to is not the Catholic church. It is the Vatican II sect, which is a counterfeit church.

Vatican II destroyed the *earthly* institution of the Catholic church. The true Catholic Church resides in the faith of its believers who adhere to its dogmas. It cannot ever be destroyed. It was founded by Jesus Christ, who appointed St. Peter as the first pope.

Meanwhile, the post-Vatican II "church" is an abomination. It embraces heresy and apostasy. It does not view homosexuality as a sin, but as a clinical disorder "whose origins are unknown." It is why its seminaries are teeming with homosexuals. None of the "popes" since V-2 (from John XXIII to Francis) are valid.

Today's V-2 sect was prophesied by Our Lady of La Sallette in the 19th century:

[i]"Rome will lose the faith, and will become the seat of the Antichrist. The Church will be in eclipse."[/i]

Blogger Paul M May 18, 2018 6:46 PM  

> There is no defense of what it has become since the cancer of Vatican II.

Priests have been sodomizing little boys way longer than that.

St Paul clearly states that a bishop should be "the husband of one wife". The celibate clergy was introduced so that money that came into the church stayed in the church. It's unbiblical. It made the priesthood a refuge for deviants whose predilections would otherwise have been exposed. It's the reason for those gorgeous robes, those fabulous hats.

Admit normal men with normal family lives into the priesthood. Realistically, it's simply too late. But if it weren't, then that would be the start of a cure.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 18, 2018 6:49 PM  

Yes, the church that the gates of hell can not prevail against was founded on a man...

Blogger Wynn Lloyd May 18, 2018 7:26 PM  

The entire point of mass is the real presence of Christ. It's big part of the Catholic faith.
You can't have a mass without Jesus being present.
The "ceremony," or Eucharistic prayer, is exactly what's powerful, from a Catholic point of view. Because that's when Jesus deigns to meet us in the flesh.

Whether or not something is a cult is kind of a meaningless criticism. It's up to the observer, unless you know some kind of more objective criteria.
It's not a problem that you don't like Catholicism, whether due to aesthetic or philosophical reasons. I don't have the means to convince you, as that is not my charism. It's actually a good thing. Protestantism that leads people to Jesus is a good thing.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) May 18, 2018 7:27 PM  

68. Blogger ghostfromplanetspook May 18, 2018 4:22 PM
@62 Donatism is for fedora tippers tbh.


Donatism was the idea that JUST MAYBE, a man who had committed public Blasphemy ( the only unforgiveable sin ) might not be fit or meet to be a Bishop of the Church.

it was the position of the Catholic Church that Blasphemy on the part of the Clergy was just hunky-dory.

if you're against the Donatists ( on this issue ), then you've got no basis to complain about ANY failing of the Clergy, at any time, on ANY issue.

God might save a pedophile. God doesn't save Blasphemers.



71. OpenID markstoval May 18, 2018 4:29 PM
but does that mean that we will not see horrors upon horrors before Western Civilization and the real Church can be cleansed of the Satanic infiltrators?


why should you think the West somehow immune to the horrors of Socialism? Hitler already murdered his millions. in the West.

the US murders millions of babies, more than 600,000 every year. we're engaged in a Holocaust right now.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd May 18, 2018 7:29 PM  

This is true.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 18, 2018 7:36 PM  

bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) wrote:it was the position of the Catholic Church that Blasphemy on the part of the Clergy was just hunky-dory.
Your understanding of Donatism and the Donatist controversy is at best ignorance.
You don't get to tell God what He can or can't do.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook May 18, 2018 7:43 PM  

@93 Donatism was about whether or not a priest who sinned could still give the sacraments without them being invalidated by his sins. I dont see a conflict in calling a bishop or group of bishops (dont ge me started on the Germans) out on saying something contradictory to the faith or plain wrong.

Blogger Xellos May 18, 2018 7:45 PM  

"We have come to save you!"
"Hooray, it's the Catholic Church!"
"...from yourselves!"
"Oh no, it's the Catholic Church."
-- Hellsing Ultimate Abridged

Blogger Jack May 18, 2018 8:10 PM  

"Bastardo sodomita! Per i tuoi peccati Roma sarà distrutta!" - "Sodomite bastard! For your sins, Rome will be destroyed!"

Brandano da Petroio, the "madman of Christ," yelling at Pope Clement VII in St. Peter's Square

Blogger Beau May 18, 2018 8:33 PM  

I think Ominous Cowherd's advice to Jonathan Davies is among the best remarks offered by the Ilk ever:

Jonathon Davies wrote:
I'm Catholic and I don't know what to do anymore. Do I give up? Convert to another church?


Ominous Cowherd replied,

Salvation comes through your faith in Christ. It really doesn't matter which denomination or congregation you are a part of. Either stay and fight the poz or go to another denomination. Pray, then act. You can serve God either way.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 18, 2018 9:31 PM  

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Blogger Dirk Manly May 18, 2018 9:32 PM  

"I wonder why the Orthodox denominations let their priests marry?"

Violating this direct instruction from the apostle Timothy that priests should be married to one wife(*) is why the Catholic Church is in this mess.


(*) Not "up to one wife", and not "at least one wife"; EXACTLY ONE.

Blogger Ian Stein May 18, 2018 10:48 PM  

I just stay out of the whole Catholic Church mess. I see no solution to the organization's problems until Jesus comes back. I hope I didn't say anything to get spammed or banned.😉

Blogger Jon Mollison May 18, 2018 11:23 PM  

Yo, Catholics! Looking for something real to help? Pray the Rosary every day and offer up your prayers that she intercede on our behalf and help the Church to heal. Fifteen minutes. You can do that on the drive to work. Use YouTube or aa mp3 to help you keep track of your place. It's easier than you think.

Anonymous Anonymous May 18, 2018 11:23 PM  

Jonathon Davies wrote:I'm Catholic and I don't know what to do anymore. Do I give up? Convert to another church?

I'm sorry for your pain. Please consider that the Roman Church does not own the toll gate to heaven. Martin Luther found his way to the truth--that only through the grace of Jesus Christ are we saved. You don't need a Pope, but it does help to have the companionship of fellow believers. Attend some non-Catholic Christian churches in your area. Find out what they believe, check it against Scripture. If you find a good church, keep going there. Pray.

Blogger Pale Male May 19, 2018 12:34 AM  

Crew wrote:OT, but more fraud in science:

https://www.sciencealert.com/texas-cancer-researcher-caught-using-own-blood-100-samples-elqutub-retraction-salivary-gland-carcinoma

Dig a wee bit deeper, though:

Maria Cristina Miron Elqutub, a former research assistant at the University of Texas's MD Anderson Cancer Centre, has admitted she...
In other words, a !American! name and a woman.  This is not a science problem, this is a "diversity" problem.

Anonymous Anonymous May 19, 2018 1:00 AM  

The Vatican really is not as powerful as it's made out to be. De jure sure the pope has supreme authority, but in practice, the pastor of the local parish probably has the most impact on the life of the typical Catholic, and after that it's the local bishop and to a lesser extent the national episcopal conferences. A good pastor leads to a good flock despite the shenanigans that might be going on in the chancery, the nation, or Rome itself, though of course it helps to have good men in those offices too. A rotten pastor will generally produce bad fruit even if the bishop and pope are saints.

Vatican II is a symptom of problems that already existed. The theologians and the seminaries were already affected by the early post-War period, but they kept their mask on until about 1968, and they managed to hijack the council while it was in session (The Rhine Flows Into the Tiber by Wiltgen is a good account if this sort of train wreck interests you), and then in the post-conciliar period they just claimed that all their innovations were council-mandated.

The best advice for Catholics is to remember that the faith does not depend on Francis, nor does it depend on the Vatican, the bishops, or the priests. We have the sacraments, the Bible, the daily office, the catechism (either the Baltimore one or the newer one), we have Augustine and Aquinas, we have the early Church Fathers and the writings of the saints. Verbum (Logos for the Protestants) is also an excellent digital resource if you have the money to plunk down on a basic edition. If need be, seek out another parish with a solid pastor, receive the sacraments regularly, pray, read from the Bible and other works by the saints, and live a Christian life.

Blogger The Kurgan May 19, 2018 4:27 AM  

I was baptised Catholic, fully knowing that the Vatican is a hive of pedophiles. That’s because the only Catholic Church I recognise as valid is the one that rejects in toto all things Vatican 2 and considers any cleric who supports it to be illicit and an impostor.
They correctly represent Catholicism as it is if you actually read the Canon Law of 1917.
As a result they took the unusual position that the French “priest” who was beheaded by Muslims when he was conducting a mass may have been not a martyr but rather the result of divine retribution.

I can say with some confidence that the entire Vatican and any priest that follows Bergoglio, really needs to be put to the torch. There is no saving it.

As for pedo priests, I take the position they literally should be burnt at the stake. I’d be happy to apply the torch to the pile of faggots myself.

And no, I am not excusing anything. Those filthy scum are not priests, are not Christian and as far as I’m concerned are not human and should be treated as the toxic vermin they are and removed from this world with extreme prejudice.
We absolutely need to bring back the Holy inquisition.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd May 19, 2018 8:18 AM  

"The Rhine Flows Into the Tiber" is a great book. Shocking, though.

Anonymous Anonymous May 19, 2018 8:51 AM  

In the end, tens of millions of Roman Catholics adhere to their faith and will receive the grace of God, and will defend the institution from interlopers and outsiders.

Blogger Taignobias May 19, 2018 2:05 PM  

@103

Better, still, pray unto the LORD who hears the prayers of his children. He is a sure bulwark, a mighty fortress. His goodness and mercy are beyond all understanding, and he watches over us without slumber nor sleep.

Sovereign Lord, protect your flock, for the wolves ring us about and the thieves wait by the way. Yet against You none can stand, and at the sound of your name even the mighty tremble. By your hand are all things made, and apart from you can naught exist. Be now our great protector and our mighty champion, O Lord, and turn not your eyes from the troubles that beset your children. In thy mercy, by which you sent the Christ your Son to drag us from death and destruction everlasting, save us evermore from thine enemies.

Blogger DrAndroSF May 19, 2018 2:25 PM  

Vox, this discussion makes me realize that while your commentors exhibit a wide variety of forms of Christianity, as a reader of yours, I know next to nothing about the particular shape of your own Christian faith. I vaguely recall someone somewhere describing you as both an Arian and a Pelagian. Any truth to that? Aside from your rejection of a churchianity, I realize that I have hardly a clue as to what you mean when you call yourself a Christian. Would you care to lay out some of the shape of your faith?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 19, 2018 3:33 PM  

DrAndroSF wrote:I vaguely recall someone somewhere describing you as both an Arian and a Pelagian.
That's because some people like to hunt for pull quotes, trying to drive a wedge in between Vox and the Ilk, rather than reading in context.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 19, 2018 6:37 PM  

Having extensively read up on both, he's not really either an Arian or a Pelagian. Then again, even Pelagius wasn't what you'd call a Pelagian. YMMV.

Blogger Eze Garcés May 19, 2018 7:51 PM  

Daniel,creo que ya somos tres aquí

Blogger VD May 19, 2018 8:41 PM  

Would you care to lay out some of the shape of your faith?

Not even a little bit. Do I look stupid?

Blogger VD May 19, 2018 8:42 PM  

I vaguely recall someone somewhere describing you as both an Arian and a Pelagian. Any truth to that?

No and no.

Blogger Jack May 19, 2018 9:18 PM  

Vox, when did you stop beating Spacebunny?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 19, 2018 9:20 PM  

BTW, I believe DrAndo is a longtime Materialist Atheist activit who was finally banned from Wright's site, after dozens of conversations. His usual tactic was simply refusing to address any of John's arguments, and engaging in endless redefinition of basic terms.
So basically a New Atheist evangelist

Blogger DrAndroSF May 20, 2018 11:08 AM  

Thanks for the clarification about Arius and Pelagius, Vox. As to snidely whiplash, your surmise about my identity is completely wrong on all counts

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 21, 2018 12:44 AM  

Damaris Tighe wrote:i really don't get this widely popular sentiment that it is 'understandable really, that men who aren't allowed to marry abuse children'

It's not understandable, and it's not forgivable, except perhaps by God. However, it's not surprising that men who would prefer to abuse children would be attracted to a lifestyle which gives access to children and does not require marriage.

Blogger liberranter May 21, 2018 3:33 PM  

Constantine killing people, even his own relatives, doesn't detract for the sincerity of his belief in Christ.

Oh, really? What flavor of "Christianity" are you thinking of here? My reading of both the Gospels and the Pauline Epistles indicates pretty clearly that murder in general is a no-no, murder of one's relatives doubly so.

The pagans didn't have the benefit of centuries of Christianity to draw from. They had no moral foundation outside of Paganism, which was henotheism at its most moral form at that time.

Funny, the early Christian converts among the Greeks were of the same pagan stock, yet somehow managed to absorb the Christian message without making mass murder and deification of mortal humans a part of their post-conversion lifestyle (the backslidden and apostate referenced by Paul notwithstanding). What was Constantine's excuse after nearly three centuries of precedent? Also, had Constantine truly dedicated his life to Christ, his thirst for temporal power would have been, shall we say kindly, "quenched" somewhat.

Blogger Technomad May 21, 2018 10:07 PM  

The Catholic Church was rotten with corruption, particularly toward the top, long before Vatican II. Particularly in countries where it was the church. The Magdalene Laundries were places that even the worst US state would have closed down decades before people found out about them in Ireland.

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