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Friday, May 25, 2018

The historical revisionists

Ben Shapiro tries to speech police Pat Buchanan for telling the truth about American history:
In one of the more morally repugnant and historically egregious columns in recent memory, Pat Buchanan, godfather to the paleoconservative movement that forms a core piece of Trumpism, has now fully rejected the American credo: “All men are created equal.” Instead, he proposes that America embrace Western civilization’s history of white supremacism.
These anti-American liars always go running to Jefferson's single rhetorical phrase and ignore literally everything about the Federalist Papers, the Preamble to the Constitution, and the 1790 Naturalization law... as well as the rest of the Declaration of Independence. It's dishonest, it's ahistorical, it's transparent, and it's pathetic.

As I previously wrote when dealing with yet another (((historical revisionist))), there is a conclusive preponderance of evidence that, like the U.S. Constitution, the Naturalization Act of 1790, the writings of John Jay, Ben Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, and other Founding Fathers, and the Alt-Right nationalist position, the Declaration of Independence itself is directly opposed to the revisionist equalitarian interpretation, as the document also refers to:
  • the connection between [the United Colonies] and the State of Great Britain
  • the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages
  • large Armies of foreign Mercenaries
  • the present King of Great Britain
  • the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners
  • the free System of English Laws
  • our British brethren
To rely upon a single phrase of a document in contradiction to the central theme of the entire document, which is that the People of the United Colonies are an English people, unique and distinct from foreigners, Indians, and the English people loyal to the King of Britain, is an outrageous attempt at deceit that relies entirely upon the historical ignorance of the audience. To say that anyone can become an American because "all men are created equal" is a shameless lie. One might as legitimately cite it as evidence to claim it means anyone can become Chinese.

Buchanan pointing out the devastating failure of the equalitarian attack on Western and American identity is what appears to have most upset the Littlest Chickenhawk.
Nor is a belief in the superiority of one's race, religion, tribe and culture unique to the West. What is unique, what is an experiment without precedent, is what we are about today. We have condemned and renounced the scarlet sins of the men who made America and embraced diversity, inclusivity and equality. … "All men are created equal" is an ideological statement. Where is the scientific or historic proof for it? Are we building our utopia on a sandpile of ideology and hope?

You know who actually built that utopia on a supposed “sandpile of ideology and hope”? Our founding fathers. Abraham Lincoln. The great heroes of American history. That’s because “all men are created equal” isn’t a sandpile of hope at all: it’s a basic description of our common human value in the eyes of God and the law. It’s descriptive, not hopeful. Buchanan, like most other white supremacists, thinks “all men are created equal” refers to quality of human beings rather than innate value. But our founders never made that mistake. They just knew that human beings are all made from the same stuff, no matter our race and ethnicity. They knew that Western civilization can assimilate those who began as outsiders, and should do so.

That’s America.
No, Ben, that's not America. And that's absolutely not Western civilization. There is no us. The Founding Fathers of America are not the founding fathers of a third-generation immigrant infidel, no badly how much he might wish to be accepted for something he most certainly is not.

It's always about "transformation" with these wormtongues. They always claim to be respecting tradition and relying upon history even as they seek to destroy both. They are shameless and unrepentant liars, and anyone who stands with any of them should not be taken seriously, as at the very least, they lack discernment.

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Blogger Thanks, J. May 25, 2018 5:32 AM  

Pat Buchanan aged like a good whisky, God bless 'em. Looking at this now long and tired history of Ben Shapiro types going after Buchanan should show you all you need to know about what happened to the conservative movement, how we should regard Shapiro and company today - who the real enemy is.

Blogger Phillip George May 25, 2018 5:33 AM  

They were British and overwhelmingly Christian creating a new Israel, a new commonwealth within Protestant Christendom, which was the civilized liberated world. Luther led to the united states.

Blogger Al Du Clur May 25, 2018 5:50 AM  

Benjie is wildly popular. Does anyone know the specifics of who buys into his BS? I have read interviews with young college conservatives who idealize him with that is further proof that conservatism is useless

Blogger JACIII May 25, 2018 5:55 AM  

Pat says what everyone knows to be true, so Ben flips out. (((They))) really don't like the idea of white folks playing in the identity Olympics.

They are attempting to conflate "white Supremecy" with " white majority" more and more to scare notAmericans and pathologically self-destructive whites into staying in the left lane.

Benny is trying on his new NYT endorsement clout.
He has to go back.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd May 25, 2018 6:08 AM  

"But our founders never made that mistake. They just knew that human beings are all made from the same stuff, no matter our race and ethnicity."


WTF?
Has that little guy EVER read anything else by any of the Founders?
His early writings seem to be filled with bloodlust and retardation. He has somehow become more retarded over time. Something is definitely wrong with his thought process.

Blogger Lovekraft May 25, 2018 6:11 AM  

Yet, sigh, another reason to disengage from anything related to the Middle East. Peak empathy has been reached about two decades ago. Same for Obama's style and message. Just.don't.care.

And Shapiro's statement reinforces the claim that we should be vigilant as these people are absolutely furious that we defy them and are growing in influence.

The left and the various offshoots are not able to consider opposing viewpoints in a respectful manner and will do everything to smear the alt-right, or any non-Sorosglobalist or pro-globojihadinc position.

Simple example is how the news rushes to exploit the latest shooting of minorities by a white man or police but turns a blind eye when this narrative is demolished.

Blogger Brett baker May 25, 2018 6:13 AM  

To be fair, the Romans did integrate other people into their civilization.
After 8 or 9 generations as slaves.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd May 25, 2018 6:15 AM  

The bastards over there closed the comments.
He needs to be raked over the coals for this level of historical violation.
He won't debate his opponents, though. He runs scared from VD. He's a dishonest little wood elf.

Blogger tz May 25, 2018 6:18 AM  

SJWs always project.

(((Ben))) must claim assimilation is possible, perhaps even easy, lest one ask if he too is still unassimilated and is really loyal to a different (((homeland))).

I mentioned earlier that (((Dennis Prager))) who is much better than Benji on politics and culture wrote specifically that the luckiest Jews are born in Israel, then goes on to say America is still a really good runner-up.

Benji tends to stay in the #NeverTrump bubble (I hope Glenn Beck has him on soon, assuming this week's "vacation" isn't to deprogram him).

And to end on a joyous note, I will observe that the only thing which can compete with erasing the Obama legacy, is that William F. Buckley's is, if anything, even more gone - it is now only remembered as neocon propoganda as devoid of ideas as it was loaded with ideology. Except I don't think heaven mocks hell, Sobran has to be enjoying watching Buckley try to organize Infernal Review.

Blogger tz May 25, 2018 6:19 AM  

The calculus of immigration swings between integration and differentiation.

Blogger Rocklea Marina May 25, 2018 6:25 AM  

Chris Langan's take on identity politics.

Ben Shapriro just writes fluffy nonsense and destructive lies by comparison.

Blogger tz May 25, 2018 6:28 AM  

Vox is right that the USA was designed to be English, and an even more distilled version. After 100 years even the blacks weren't really assimilated (the alternatives always will be assimilation or apartheid, by white flght if nothing else).

One other problem is there hasn't recently been a great war with a draft. I'm 3rd generation. My grandparents all came over in the early 1900's. My parents, aunts and uncles fought or worked for World War 2 (and my Father was wounded). They sacrificed for the USA, some more than others. I learned the price my Father paid for liberty. And I have to rediscover the trunk of the tree I have been grafted on to. There are too many clinging vines or failed grafts.

To separate out the true Americans from the sunshine economic immigrants, all you would need is a draft and a war where a significant percentage end up dead, and the rest wounded and aren't getting gold plated health care. What happens if the "Dreamers" are all drafted and have to go to the front lines? Worse, what if those front lines are here in the USA?

War, famine, and plague have a wonderful way of sorting people out, both the best and the worst.

Blogger McChuck May 25, 2018 6:57 AM  

All men are created equal. And then they are born.

Western civilization is white, Christian civilization. Any statements to the contrary are propaganda by people who don't have our best interests at heart.

Blogger Cloudbuster May 25, 2018 7:03 AM  

Buchanan, like most other white supremacists, thinks “all men are created equal” refers to quality of human beings rather than innate value. But our founders never made that mistake. They just knew that human beings are all made from the same stuff, no matter our race and ethnicity. They knew that Western civilization can assimilate those who began as outsiders, and should do so.

Shapiro really gives they game away here. Committing in the final sentence the same "sin" of which he accuses Buchanan. Ability to assimilate is not predicated on "innate value," it's predicated on "quality of human beings." "Made from the same stuff" is such rhetorical mush it is worse than meaningless.

All equalitarians do this -- make that rhetorical and unsubstantiated step from a metaphysical "innate value" to equality of outcomes.

Blogger Wanderer May 25, 2018 7:04 AM  

"All men are created equal" is a shitty phrase that never should have been included imo.

Also, Ben can cuck and virtue signal 'til he's blue in the face, but he'd still get rejected by the mainstream as a racist white supremacist anyway for expecting immigrants to assimilate.

Blogger VD May 25, 2018 7:06 AM  

Benjie is wildly popular.

No, he's far less popular than he and his backers pretend. They have a massive bot operation pushing him. Read the pro-Shapiro comments sometime. Most of them are fake.

Blogger lannes May 25, 2018 7:07 AM  

Do we really want to do what Bibi Shapiro tells us we 'should" do?

Blogger Harambe May 25, 2018 7:08 AM  

That other guy did nothing wrong

Blogger Bobo #117 May 25, 2018 7:14 AM  

I have my tribal identification, and if there was a seperate homeland for people of my tribe (other than the Rural South), I would move there.
But there's still too much juice to be squeezed here for the (((tribe))). Little Bennie isn't going back...voluntarily.

Better to emigrate on a plane than be repatriated in that re-hashed Wal-Mart freighter

Blogger Skyler the Weird May 25, 2018 7:24 AM  

It's no accident that when unfettered immigration began the Draft ended.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 25, 2018 7:31 AM  

Thomas Jefferson was a megalomaniac anyway:

http://forge-and-anvil.com/2017/11/12/50/

http://forge-and-anvil.com/2018/04/08/thomas-jefferson-on-americas-expiration/

Buchanan is hardly a white supremacist. It's just a loaded word tossed around to demonize people. Shapiro, however, just might be a racial supremacist himself. Has he extolled the Jewish people in true Judaic fashion, or held up the idea of Zionism at all? If so, we can always point to that and call him out on his hypocrisy.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 25, 2018 7:31 AM  

Kind of rich that a jewish man thinks we are his equals, good for a laugh about it.

No one today who chugs the diversity kook aid thinks me a middling WASP pre-Rev War version is their equal.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 25, 2018 7:35 AM  

Someone deleted the post apparently, Rocklea.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 25, 2018 7:36 AM  

" Has he extolled the Jewish people in true Judaic fashion, or held up the idea of Zionism at all?"

All the time.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira May 25, 2018 7:40 AM  

I'm sure that nationalist, slave-owning men several centuries ago believed and envisioned the suicidal, self-hating, enforced diversity programs that we see today.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira May 25, 2018 7:42 AM  

@16

I'm almost certain that he paid in sheckles to have "Thug life" videos of him made up, too.

Blogger VD May 25, 2018 7:45 AM  

Has he extolled the Jewish people in true Judaic fashion, or held up the idea of Zionism at all?

As befitting his wormtonguery, Shapiro tries to hide behind the "Jews are a religious identity group, not an ethnic identity group" dodge.

And then turns around and claimst that Jews are only successful because they are smarter than everyone else. Must be a truly ground-breaking conversion process.

Blogger Rocklea Marina May 25, 2018 7:54 AM  

Someone deleted the post apparently, Rocklea.

Well well, fancy that. In that case here is what he allegedly wrote, in full, for the purposes of archiving. Mods, feel free to delete if inappropriate.

My view on identity politics is that it can be justified only if everyone of any ethnicity is entitled to participate, in which case it is necessary for all (because failing to assert it, as when White people of European ancestry fail to assert it lest they be branded as “racists”, means leaving oneself and one’s group defenseless against competition for resources and opportunity). Alternatively, lest any group be denied its identity while others assert their own, group identity must be equitably denied to everyone.
Human identity is stratified, and thus has both individual and group levels. Accordingly, we can (and sometimes must) reason in terms of group identity. But when group self-identification is officially granted to some groups yet denied to others against which they compete, this can only result in imbalance and injustice. For example, when some overpopulating groups which have overtaxed their own resources by reproductive incontinence and homegrown oligarchy are allowed to migrate into the sovereign territories of worldwide ethnic minorities - e.g., people of European descent - and enjoy special “oppressed” status whereby they reap special benefits such as free food, free housing, free education, free healthcare, affirmative action, reproductive subsidies, and special treatment under the law, and are even credited with moral superiority due to their alleged “oppression”, this can result in the destruction of the national, cultural, and ethnic identity of the hosts, leading ultimately to their extinction. Incoming groups which assert their own collective identities while denying their hosts any reciprocal right of political group cohesion thus amount to noxious, invasive, and ultimately lethal socioeconomic parasites. Obviously, any governmental authority which enforces or encourages such asymmetry - e.g., the European Union - is illegitimate.
Bear in mind that once we cease to treat individuals as individuals per se, thus allowing members of their respective groups to assert their ethnic, cultural, or religious (etc.) identities against their “oppressors”, their group properties and statistics are automatically opened to scrutiny and comparative analysis. For example, if after several generations of special treatment in the educational sphere (compulsory school integration, special programs, modifications of educational procedure, racially defined college admission preferences, etc.), a particular “oppressed” group fails as a whole to outgrow these measures, its members are no longer entitled to exemption from objective characterization in terms of associated group statistics; if one wants to enjoy the social benefits attending ethically loaded group-defined properties like “belonging to an oppressed group”, one must submit to rational policies formed on the basis of not just individual assessment, but empirically confirmed group-defined properties such as “belonging to a group exhibiting a relatively low mean IQ and a tendency to violently disrupt the educational environment”. Continuing to pursue racially parameterized measures of human worth and achievement can only lead to personal injustice, social degradation, and biological degeneration (because such measures inevitably supplant any rational form of social, economic, and reproductive selection).
In short, identity politics should either be shut down immediately, or the majority populations of Europe and North America should be encouraged to assert their own ethnic and cultural identities and group interests with full force. Any governmental, academic, religious, or media authority which tries to prevent it is clearly unworthy of respect and obedience.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) May 25, 2018 7:56 AM  

the Littlest Chickenhawk.
That’s because “all men are created equal” isn’t a sandpile of hope at all: it’s a basic description of our common human value in the eyes of God and the law.


the natural consequence of Benji's ((( reasoning ))) being that
...
We're All Jews Now.

go on, let him make the argument that All Men are equal to the Jews. i want to see this.

also, to deny HBD is to deny Darwinian Competition. or, as most would have, it is to Deny !Science!.

Radical Equalitarianism is the intellectual equivalent of Francis Fukuyama's "The End Of History".

which only makes rational sense: if Evolution has ended, doesn't that mean that History has ended?

Blogger Don't Call Me Len May 25, 2018 8:03 AM  

As befitting his wormtonguery, Shapiro tries to hide behind the "Jews are a religious identity group, not an ethnic identity group" dodge.

I've heard this very situational definition from folks who also claim they are "half Jewish". Does that mean they only go to synagogue every other week?

Blogger Rocklea Marina May 25, 2018 8:04 AM  

Someone on 4chan rather helpfully archived it. The Internet is Forever!
http://archive.is/CksZ8

Blogger Michael Maier May 25, 2018 8:08 AM  

I readily use the phrase "importing savages" now. Because that's what we do.

The Littlest Chickenhawk is getting tiresome. Just his praising Lincoln alone (against all coherent historical evidence) is enough to make me puke.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) May 25, 2018 8:10 AM  

12. tz May 25, 2018 6:28 AM
One other problem is there hasn't recently been a great war with a draft.


we went over 125 years withOUT a "Great War". if you're going to count the Civil, 1783 - 1861 ( 78 years ), then 1865 - 1914 ( 49 years ), then 1945 - 2018 ( 73 years ) there is nothing particularly unusual about this.

we went almost 100 years without the Draft. worse, there's no Constitutional basis for the Draft.

"Right to Privacy" is the justification for Abortion. where the fuck is my "Right to Privacy" to make a decision to not risk my life on the battlefield? that's an overt violation of the 9th Amendment and the Draft is a statement that all MEN ( because Women have never been subject to the Draft, therefore Unequal before the Law ) are the nominal Slaves of the Federal government.

Blogger Michael Maier May 25, 2018 8:13 AM  

Advocating a draft and millions dead for a fake "national cohesion" is a truly sick and evil idea.

"We have always been one nation and at war with (((enemy)))."

Damn twisted socialists.

Blogger Michael Maier May 25, 2018 8:16 AM  

Bob Kek Mando: I love it when (some) veterans brag about "serving" (yet they took paychecks, bennies and retirement) and then advocate legal slavery via the draft.

Idiot much?

Blogger Garuna May 25, 2018 8:17 AM  

Ben Shapiro, Marco Rubio, and (((Reagan Battalion))) are working on a coup for 2020. They already took out Milo with the fake allegations. They plan to take out more people.

This is from Ali Alexander. He's a Republican political operative and associated with Cernovich. He's been a very credible source so far. He spoke about a lot of big stories before they broke over the past year, including Spygate, so I trust what he's saying.

At some point, Shapiro and Rubio's careers must be destroyed for this. Fucking snakes.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) May 25, 2018 8:19 AM  

not to mention, the Lusitania was a False Flag by a President who had campaigned for re-election based on his "success" in keeping us out of the Great War the previous four years.

and the result of the Great War was ... +100,000 US dead, +300,000 US injured ... and Hitler?

do you want 6 gorillian Jews in ovens? because this is how you get 6 gorillian Jews in ovens.

Blogger Nate May 25, 2018 8:24 AM  

It should always be remembered that the phrase "all men are created equal" was a direct insult to the monarchy.

Blogger Robert Divinity May 25, 2018 8:27 AM  

Jewdas goats gonna Jewdas (until the goyim sheep stop following, always a concern). Shapiro was a bad investment as even cucks notice he's more cuckier than most cucks.

Must be a truly ground-breaking conversion process.

Perfect.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 25, 2018 8:33 AM  

At least none of the comments at that site challenged Ben to actually prove the Blank Slate Theory, so he is still safe from the wrath of the leftists he has thrown in with these days.

Blogger Ronin F9 May 25, 2018 8:37 AM  

"The principles of the amendment however were agreed on, that is to say, the freedom of all born after a certain day, and deportation at a proper age. But it was found that the public mind would not yet bear the proposition, nor will it bear it even at this day. Yet the day is not distant when it must bear and adopt it, or worse will follow. Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people [Africans-in-America] are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them. It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and deportation peaceably and in such slow degree as that the evil will wear off insensibly, and their place be pari passu filled up by free white laborers. If on the contrary it is left to force itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up. We should in vain look for an example in the Spanish deportation or deletion of the Moors. This precedent would fall far short of our case.” - Thomas Jefferson, July 27, 1821, Autobiography Draft Fragment

"With equal pleasure I have as often taken notice that Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people--a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence." - Federalist No. 2

Anonymous Anonymous May 25, 2018 8:40 AM  

All men are created equal.*

* Except for Palestinians, who can be bombed at will.

* Does not apply to God’s Chosen People, who are more equal than others.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 25, 2018 8:43 AM  

VD: As befitting his wormtonguery, Shapiro tries to hide behind the "Jews are a religious identity group, not an ethnic identity group" dodge.

Excellent. Next time either Shapiro or anyone accuses me of being a racist anti-Semite, I'll use Shapiro' own words against them.

Blogger Othello May 25, 2018 8:51 AM  

Too many outsiders immigrate to America and then disagree with Americans.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 25, 2018 9:04 AM  

That is Saint Father Abraham to your, Shapiro.

Fourth Joint Debate at Charleston
Mr. Lincoln’s Speech
(September 18, 1858)

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: It will be very difficult for an audience so large as this to hear distinctly what a speaker says, and consequently it is important that as profound silence be preserved as possible. 1
While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing perfect equality between the negroes and white people. While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me, I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife.
(snip)

http://www.bartleby.com/251/41.html

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 25, 2018 9:11 AM  

Folks like Shapiro believe that the attempt to stop slavery in the west was to stop the spread of slavery rather than its true purpose -- to make the west and labor white.

Blogger Matamoros May 25, 2018 9:30 AM  

@2 Luther led to the united states

That is a remarkable leap of logic. Not to say untrue. One could much better aver that Henry VIII and Anglicanism led to the United States.

Or Catholic civilization of which England was a part, Henry's actions not withstanding. Luther, I think not.

Blogger Matamoros May 25, 2018 9:38 AM  

@15 "All men are created equal" is a shitty phrase that never should have been included imo.

Of course the idea of universal equality was abhorrent at the time. What he meant was all Englishmen were created equal.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 25, 2018 9:43 AM  

"I've heard this very situational definition from folks who also claim they are "half Jewish". Does that mean they only go to synagogue every other week?"

It's part of the point of claiming that they are "Jews" in the first place, they even managed to get many translations of the Bible changed (from Judaean/Judahite/etc.) to reflect their wormtonguery around the middle of the nineteenth century.

The trick is that the word means several distinctly different things. It refers to (several) racial identities, and it refers to a religion. Anytime anyone tries to pin it down some way they're going to jump from racial to religion or vice versa, or between one and another or several different racial groups.

They've had about two hundred years of practice on that particular class of evasion.

"the Lusitania was a False Flag by a President who had campaigned for re-election based on his "success" in keeping us out of the Great War the previous four years."

Even better. He and his aides were planning the U.S.' entry to the war even before they started campaigning for re-election on the platform of keeping us out. The Lusitania was convenient because it didn't belong to any of the banksters.

On top of that, it had already been marked as refitted as a warship by Britain herself, and was carrying literally millions of rounds of ammunition, explosives, and other undisclosed and falsely labeled war-supplies, making it a valid military target.

Shortly before the sinking the British Admiralty ordered all of their ships (which the Lusitania was a warship, by their own records) not to submit to search for contraband, and to open fire on U-Boats on sight, or ram them if not mounted with guns.

The German embassy placed prepaid ads with 50 U.S. newspapers, right next to ads for the Lusitania, warning that the Lusitania was a warship and a valid target of the war between Britain and Germany. However, 49 of those ads were pulled from the already bankster-payrolled papers.

The British Admiralty ordered the ship that was supposed to escort the Lusitania not to rendezvous with them, coincidentally right before the Lusitania was scheduled to go right through the center of a known U-Boat operating envelope only two days old.

Afterward, from then to the present, and still today, it has been claimed up one side and down another that the Lusitania was not a valid target and carried no war-supplies.

In 2008 Divers found over three million rounds of ammunition in the sunken ship's hold. The rapid sinking itself was due to an internal explosion set off by a single torpedo hit -- an explosion that did not involve the boilers, according to surviving members of the engineering crew. It tore nearly the entire side off of the Lusitania, a truly massive ship.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 25, 2018 9:48 AM  

"Too many outsiders immigrate to America and then disagree with Americans."

Or rape or suicide bomb them or push for shariah law.

But then, what do we expect from moors? Even Shakespeare knew.

Blogger eyeslevel May 25, 2018 9:54 AM  

Falsely claiming the founding fathers were anything but white nationalists isn't exactly blasphemy. But it's something close to it.

Blogger wreckage May 25, 2018 10:10 AM  

So he's basically decided that Trump, paleocons, and nationalism are all Hitler.

G'luck with that, old son.

Blogger Bogey May 25, 2018 10:32 AM  

“All men are created equal”

Duly noted, now stay on your side of the fence and be equal in your own land.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 25, 2018 10:33 AM  

"So he's basically decided that Trump, paleocons, and nationalism are all Hitler."

By 1912 They'd decided that six million Jews were going to be killed somehow. Nothing new to see here.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 25, 2018 10:41 AM  

@49


The Lusitania Resource
History, Passenger & Crew Biographies, and Lusitania Facts
http://www.rmslusitania.info/

Blogger JRH, esq. May 25, 2018 10:54 AM  

If Ben had looked at the source materials more honestly, he would have realized that the phrase in question was not a claim of global citizenship for all, but rather a rejection of the concept of heritable nobility. There's a reason the Constitution bans the granting of titles of nobility, and the concept that no one is noble or elevated by God to be a ruler by reason of birth is that reason.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 25, 2018 10:57 AM  

"It's always about "transformation" with these wormtongues. They always claim to be respecting tradition and relying upon history even as they seek to destroy both."

Who says there's no synchronicity? I read this earlier today, from Nathanael Blake:

"The Enlightenment undermined itself through hubris and hatred for tradition, and Nietzsche danced upon the ruins."

Seems we're still living in teh undermined enlightenment and Nietzsche's still jiggling ...

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 25, 2018 11:03 AM  

I believe I wrote here before that my parents, raised in the Midwest in the 1920s, believed that the phrase ``all men are created equal'' meant only that the Founding Fathers rejected hereditary nobility and the divine right of kings. That is what they were taught in school.

The Littlest Chicken Hawk's interpretation is a lie, and a very recent one. Less than 100 years ago, we knew better.

Blogger JRH, esq. May 25, 2018 11:05 AM  

>> Azure Amaranthine wrote:In 2008 Divers found over three million rounds of ammunition in the sunken ship's hold. The rapid sinking itself was due to an internal explosion set off by a single torpedo hit -- an explosion that did not involve the boilers, according to surviving members of the engineering crew. It tore nearly the entire side off of the Lusitania, a truly massive ship.

Was this really a question? The construction of the Lusitania was funded in part by the British government to be a dual-use ship, and included emplacements for weapons as part of its design. IIRC, Erik Larson's book about the sinking of the Lusitania, Dead Wake, noted that the ship was indeed carrying military cargo, that this was regularly done in the course of purportedly civilian ship traffic, and that this was one of the reasons the Germans considered the Lusitania a valid target of war.

Also, the reason the ship exploded and sank so quickly was due to its design, which had channels running up and down the ship to supply its coal-fed boilers. Turns out lining your ship with channels of highly explosive coal dust is a terrible idea and a safety hazard. Everyone from the Captain of the Lusitania to the U-boat commander was genuinely surprised that the ship sank so quickly, and its unique coal delivery system is considered the primary factor.

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Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 25, 2018 11:16 AM  

"With a sense of identity, which requires an initial period of valence alignment and value building, and a common language, a political body gains its own momentum and reproductive trajectory."

...which doesn't deviate much, or easily.

Blogger atropates12 May 25, 2018 11:19 AM  

This passage from Yuri Slezkine's The Jewish Century makes me laugh:

“Equally impressive and, in the European context, familiar, was the entry of Jews into Russian high culture. The commercialization of the entertainment market and the creation of national cultural institutions transformed a traditional Mercurian specialty into an elite profession and a powerful tool of modern mythmaking...

“Odessa's violin teacher, P.S. Stoliarsky, or ‘Zagursky,’ as Babel called him, 'supplied prodigies for the concert stages of the world'...'Zagursky ran a factory of child prodigies, a factory of Jewish dwarves in lace collars and patent-leather shoes. He sought them out in the slums of the Moldavanka and in the evil-smelling courtyards of the Old Market. Zagursky would provide early instruction, after which children would be sent to Professor Auer's in St. Petersburg.

‘In the souls of these tiny runts with swollen blue heads there dwelt a powerful harmony. They became celebrated virtuosi.' "
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The funnies aside, while this is obviously malarkey: “But our founders never made that mistake. They just knew that human beings are all made from the same stuff, no matter our race and ethnicity,” settler colonial and industrial societies have some tough decisions to make. The choices for handling conquered peoples and imported labor are political integration, cultural assimilation, extermination, or rolling deportation. Cultural dissolution is in part due to political and economic preferences, choices made and benefits long since consumed.

That is not to deny that there are now forces of delusion, agitation, and predation at work, destabilizing the constitutional viability of the American political project, threatening the continuation of the West European germline, and toying with the possibility of cultural and economic heat death for the syndicate man.
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Re Shapiro – he’s not exactly doing fine work. He hammers away with epithets and lashes away with raw sentiment, but given his mass market audience, perhaps these are the right tools for him. He's not a philosopher; he's a self-declared partisan. He's making a market. Working at the assembly level, I don't think calibrating valence is the wrong way to start. This is good, that is bad. This type of person is with us, this type of person is not.

Like Trump, like anyone who wants to collect attention in this cultural environment, he is also deployed at the prerational layer, though probably one level up from Trump, and unwittingly. He’s doing our grunt work. In laying conservative foundations, Shapiro thinks he's raising a child army to support his political ambitions, which for him are essentially his career ambitions. However, he won’t own the movement he incubates. With a sense of identity, which requires an initial period of valence alignment and value building, and a common language, a political body gains its own momentum and reproductive trajectory.
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Also, I think Shapiro is still a young man and he has many good qualities. Many of his failings come with being the good son.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 25, 2018 11:21 AM  

I think his flex is entirely played out. What happens when your flex plays out and you start to stretch? Wrinkles.

Physically young or not, his career is over, and is being artificially sustained.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton May 25, 2018 11:48 AM  

I remember a snatch-^-patch on the web years ago, citing one Fisher Ames with a rejoinder to the "... created equal..:" "... But differ in the sequel." Would some regular commenter with closer familiarity with nook-&-cranny arcana of history be able to verify the statement and provide "chapter and verse"?

Blogger VD May 25, 2018 12:01 PM  

Also, I think Shapiro is still a young man and he has many good qualities. Many of his failings come with being the good son.

Then you're very stupid. Shapiro has no good qualities at all beyond his wormish tongue. He is an evil little snake who killed his own conscience when he was barely into his teens.

Shapiro is the enemy. He is not on the side of America or Western civilization. To the contrary, he is a cancer in it.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 25, 2018 12:29 PM  

Very timely ,I saw on Instagram the meme of the guy kicking open door 3, which in this context was Ben Shapiro 2024.

I commented that Shapiro is a lying coward , and he asked me to explain that stupid character attack. I noted Shapiro's Chickenhawking, and he replied that not everyone who supports a war but doesn't fight in it isn't a coward.

I reminded him that Shapiro was of prime military age when he was hanging the war drums. If he felt that strongly about it, he should have been commissioned as an officer, or even better, JAG Corps, so he could continue to fuck over the military.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 25, 2018 12:49 PM  

@59
The Lusitania has been proven to have sunk because it was ferrying war materiel.

BTW, the history of the Captain is a sad story. He was setup.

Blogger atropates12 May 25, 2018 1:21 PM  

Woah there.

Even if Shapiro were loyal only to his family and his tribe, and not at all to the United States, still that does not invalidate the quality of loyalty. Where he acts counter to the interests of Western Europe or the United States, then he is an enemy, and his activities should be interdicted, but virtue and allegiance are not the same thing.

What he embodies counts for something. His blameless family life, his diligence, his respect for authority, his *professed* desire to engage in rational argument, his desire to be good: these are all part of his testimony, aside from what he says, what he actually manages to achieve, and what he thinks he thinks. These are all eusocial qualities, even when captured and pressed into the service of anti-social forces.

I have no trouble believing that he chose advancement over intellectual uncertainty in his early teens. It’s not that shocking or damning. His failings make him a true member of the polite middle class, who take on whatever orthodoxies are served to them, in exchange for participation and preference in the established order. These are the same zealously risk-averse, high fidelity mimics that sustain every stable society.

I’m not particularly worried about Shapiro. I don’t think he’s robust enough to withstand scrutiny and the climate is such that he will not be able to hold back or divert a more radical conservative movement than he’d hope for. He’s just unfinished and earnest enough to experience another storm of doubt under pressure, though of course no guarantees on where he finally lands.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 25, 2018 1:30 PM  

Atropates,

It sure does invalidate his loyalty, because he claims to be loyal to the US, but then his actions say otherwise.

Blogger Troushers May 25, 2018 1:55 PM  

A pig born in a kennel isn't a sheepdog. A puppy may become a sheepdog, and protect its herd from wolves, or it might sit in the yard, enjoying their protection, telling anyone who'll listen that pigs make great sheepdogs.

Blogger Artisanal Toad May 25, 2018 1:58 PM  

Nate wrote:It should always be remembered that the phrase "all men are created equal" was a direct insult to the monarchy.

It wasn't just that, it was a polemical statement. 1776 was the age of kings and (although dwindling along with the fortunes of the church) the divine right to rule. Along comes these upstarts in the colonies who claim that "all men are created equal" (meaning that either we're all sovereigns or none of us are) and "endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights".

You would do well to read the analysis of Justice Field on that, in Butchers Union v Crescent City.

"As in our intercourse with our fellow men, certain principles of morality are assumed to exist without which society would be impossible, so certain inherent rights lie at the foundation of all action and upon a recognition of them alone can free institutions be maintained. These inherent rights have never been more happily expressed than in the declaration of independence, that new evangel of liberty to the people: "We hold these truths to be self-evident" -- that is, so plain that their truth is recognized upon their mere statement -- "that all men are endowed" -- not by edicts of emperors, or decrees of Parliament, or acts of Congress, but "by their Creator with certain inalienable rights" -- that is, rights which cannot be bartered away, or given away, or taken away, except in punishment of crime -- "and that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and to secure these" -- not grant them, but secure them -- "governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

That wasn't just an insult to the monarchy, it was an attack on the status quo. It was the very foundation of the American revolution.

Between sovereigns, lacking an agreed upon rule of law (a treaty or some agreement), the only recourse for redress of grievances is war. In stating that "all men are created equal" the dialectic and rhetoric became one.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 25, 2018 2:03 PM  

VD: Shapiro is the enemy. He is not on the side of America or Western civilization. To the contrary, he is a cancer in it.

Absolutely. Everyone needs to get this through their skulls.

Blogger atropates12 May 25, 2018 2:15 PM  

I believe he's explicitly said that he is loyal first to his family and the Jewish people, and then to the country. It’s the view that America is a vehicle for individuals, or in an alternate formulation, federated nations to pursue their self-interest to harmonious effect, which is an idea of significant vintage, though fundamentally problematic. Somewhere in the mix is also the idea that God promised to bless the nations of the world through Israel. It hangs together, sort of, though I don’t think it stands up to scrutiny.

Anyway, that isn’t my point really. My point is that his love for his family and his tribe is true. That is the germ of something good, even though it’s cut with ambition and self-deception. I find him sympathetic, which is independent of my assessment of the quality of his arguments or my willingness to contradict those that are false.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 25, 2018 2:19 PM  

Then he's a domestic enemy of these United States.

Blogger Unknown May 25, 2018 3:00 PM  

Context always matters when reading the written word. It may change the keqning of a phrase much or little it not at all, but it always matters. The problem here is that Shapiro and his angagonists are choising the context that affirms their political, intellectual and enoyional strongholds. 'context when it suits, literal keaning when it suits' is never a persuasive strategy. Not should it be, for man is eminently fallible in his reckoning.

Blogger Flair1239 May 25, 2018 3:01 PM  

This is pretty disgusting by Shapiro. Buchanan has been proven right so many times. If the Republicans had listened to him in the 80s we would not be in this mess now.

Shapiro not only fails to address Buchanan’s argument, but then reflexively attacks him personally. Disgusting behavior for one who wants to be regarded. as an intellectual.

Blogger tublecane May 25, 2018 3:29 PM  

I would direct confused conservatives to M.E. Bradford's essay on "all men are created equal" in the book A Better Guide Than Reason.

Oops, I forgot Bradford was pushed to the side by the conservative movement and Conservatism Inc. prefers the arguments of hack historian (((Harry Jaffa))), of course.

Blogger atropates12 May 25, 2018 3:30 PM  

Enemy of the state? No. He’s within his legal rights. Enemy of the nation? Only if you mean the White Nation, which is obviously the case. Otherwise, the Jews are one of the many nations struggling for influence in the United States, though there are initiatives to build larger and deeper coalitions. They are civil competitors, even if the prize is total control.

Blogger DonReynolds May 25, 2018 3:32 PM  

Historical revisionists come in all shapes and sizes, but the worst of them (and the most successful) are those who insist that America was (ever) egalitarian. Making that argument also compels them to insist that the USA is (and always was) a democracy....which it never was. Having made the two stupid arguments, the historical revisionists are forced by the Leftists to insist that inequality is the root of all evil, including income inequality. Of course, America has never been about equality in the least.

The United States of America is a Republic, not a democracy. You want proof? OK....the US Senate. You want more proof? OK....the Electoral College. More proof? OK....the entire judicial branch of the government, from top to bottom.

People who HATE American history (or are ashamed of American history) are the first to become historic revisionists and they always want to airbrush and erase away everything about actual history in favor of a Liberal narrative that never happened and never will happen. That is why it is so important to them to silence any public discussion about American history. The Truth of history destroys their narrative, so rather than correct the errors of their narrative, they insist of having the printing press and the microphone all to themselves. Somehow, that is democracy and egalitarian and equality.

Yes, Vox.....they are LIARS.

Blogger tublecane May 25, 2018 3:32 PM  

"the paleoconservative movement that forms a core piece of Trumpism"

Why does he sound like a leftist explaining the unfamiliar world of rightist thought to an ignorant audience? Because he is.

Not that I'd expect his hip, young conservative audience to know the history of conservative thought as far back as, oh, a couple decades ago. But I don't think that audience actually exists. He's talking to people who probably already know who Pat Buchanan is.

Blogger tublecane May 25, 2018 3:50 PM  

@80- "Having made the two stupid arguments, the historical revisionists will be forced by the Leftists to insist that inequality is the root of all evil"

This is backwards. They agree with leftists about inequality generally, because they are egalitarians. That's why they come up with stupid arguments, so that historical America can be something of which they're proud.


Not absolute egalitarians, mind you. No one can be. They quibble with the farther left as to where, exactly, egalitarianism stops. At the pocket? At the shirt collar? Very important academic questions.

Every argument a Ben Shapiro makes not deriving from "what's best for my people" can be understood as a version of: "what is different from prevailing leftist opinion but won't embarrass me in front of leftists?" Apply that key, and their every utterance makes sense.

They don't listen to real American history. They listen to lefties, who are down on America because slavery, genocide of the Red Indian, exploitation of women and children and the poor, general racism, and the whole litany. You've heard it. They counter either with "What are you talking about, America's great!" because they agree those things are bad. Or, if that won't fit, they say, "America wasn't *thay* bad. At least it was based on noble IDEALS, even if it didn't live up to them."

Which is why, if you've ever noticed, they take up bizarre positions like "no one was ever really racist, except Democrats." When they oughtta be saying: "everyone was racist the day before yesterday, everyone who's not white still is, and there's nothing wrong with that."

Blogger Daniel May 25, 2018 4:18 PM  

>> What is unique, what is an experiment without precedent.....

"Experiment". That's the tell, right there.

Blogger tublecane May 25, 2018 4:41 PM  

@14- "Made from the same stuff" is meaningless mush. The obvious retort--so obvious even leftists can see it--is "what about slaves?" Or "what about Red Indians?" "What about freemen denied the franchise?" "What about women and children?"

There's no answer.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 25, 2018 5:57 PM  

Conflating. It's the American way. Look at how not letting the state establish an official religion became the thing that git rid of prayer in schools and Christmas trees getting hunted down on anything but private and hidden land.
All men are created equal... that had only to do with our rights before the law. It's evident in how we are granted the pursuit of happiness, not happiness itself. Really stupid people are never going to be happy even if you did hand it to them. Heck when the liberals try the dumb only get worse.
Little Benny's push here could backfire on him greatly when it results in renewed interest in what was exactly meant by the founders. And to do so through a review of their intent would only be second to resurrecting them. This is something the left and the neocons (I repeat myself) cannot afford.

Blogger Jack May 25, 2018 8:25 PM  

I have long held Pat Buchanan in very high regard. The man has more integrity, and erudition, than Shapiro ever will. What a little weasel.

Blogger VD May 25, 2018 8:38 PM  

Even if Shapiro were loyal only to his family and his tribe, and not at all to the United States, still that does not invalidate the quality of loyalty. Where he acts counter to the interests of Western Europe or the United States, then he is an enemy, and his activities should be interdicted, but virtue and allegiance are not the same thing.

You're very stupid. There is no virtue in lying and feigning allegiance.

His blameless family life, his diligence, his respect for authority, his *professed* desire to engage in rational argument, his desire to be good: these are all part of his testimony, aside from what he says, what he actually manages to achieve, and what he thinks he thinks. These are all eusocial qualities, even when captured and pressed into the service of anti-social forces.

How do you know his family life is "blameless"? He threw himself on his sword for Michelle Fields; if he wasn't involved with her, he sure looked as if he wanted to be. There is nothing eusocial about a dishonest claim.

My point is that his love for his family and his tribe is true.

Even if that was the case, so fucking what? So was Attila the Hun's. Don't even think about trying to defend Shapiro here. There is no defense for that creepy little weasel.

Enemy of the state? No. He’s within his legal rights.

You've just posed a false dichotomy. Enemy status is not the same thing as criminal status. Don't even try to pull that bait-and-switch nonsense here. No wonder you defend Shapiro; you're a dishonest little weasel too.

Blogger atropates12 May 25, 2018 10:09 PM  

You're very stupid. There is no virtue in lying and feigning allegiance.

Welp, that’s it for me. Hello and so long, etc. I don’t think I’ve been discourteous or unreasonable, but whatever you like.

I will, however, address the responses to my original points. I don’t think he’s a liar. He’s just a civic nationalist, who also happens to be an equal opportunity jingo. He disparages various ‘dictatorships’ on behalf of America and hates Arabs on behalf of the Jewish people. Feigning allegiance is a mischaracterization. He clearly thinks being American simply involves belief in free pursuit of individual happiness, naturally arising harmony of interests, and the rule of law. That’s a mainstream formulation of American patriotism, rightly or wrongly.

It might be fair to say that he deceives himself by failing to acknowledge the extent to which Israel’s interests diverge from that of the United States. Nevertheless, his case that Israel should be aided as a bulwark for American interests in the Middle East and, on principle, as a fellow ‘liberal’ democracy is a conventional one, not without rational support, justly or unjustly.

How do you know his family life is "blameless"? He threw himself on his sword for Michelle Fields; if he wasn't involved with her, he sure looked as if he wanted to be. There is nothing eusocial about a dishonest claim.

What is on the record about his private life is blameless. He espouses and by all appearances abides by traditional family values and lives clean. He is exceptional in this regard, for his age group, for our time, our country, our culture, even as benchmarked against other figures in the conservative media. In this regard, he sets a good example.

I don’t share your interpretation of the Fields affair. The Daily Wire was starting to come off the ground at the time, and he was clearly planning an exit from Breitbart. He openly hates Bannon and there was probably some professional jealousy and status conflict in the wake of his mentor’s death and Bannon’s installation. He could perhaps have been more forthcoming with the role his own ambitions played in his willingness to walk. If anything, the way he draped himself in the banners of chivalry on his way out of Breitbart was a touch weaselly, but I also don’t doubt he believed the platform was being run in a manner contrary to the spirit of its founder.
Even if that was the case, so fucking what? So was Attila the Hun's. Don't even think about trying to defend Shapiro here. There is no defense for that creepy little weasel.

I think it’s possible to reach people who want to be good and who have a concept of a good society. I think people who live degenerate lives are hollowed out, with a reduced capacity to reason and rationally direct their lives.

You've just posed a false dichotomy. Enemy status is not the same thing as criminal status. Don't even try to pull that bait-and-switch nonsense here. No wonder you defend Shapiro; you're a dishonest little weasel too.

I distinguished the state from the nation specifically to address the distinction between criminality, ethnic competition, and political competition.

My purpose was not so much to defend Shapiro as to share my opinion of him, beyond the level of detail of ‘creepy weasel’, laying out the context within which I interpret his actions and evaluate his character. My frame is different from yours, which is why I opened a discussion.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) May 25, 2018 11:13 PM  

88. atropates12 May 25, 2018 10:09 PM
Welp, that’s it for me. Hello and so long, etc. I don’t think I’ve been discourteous or unreasonable, but whatever you like.


it is discourteous in the extreme to lie to people's faces.

at the least you're telling them that they're too stupid to not fall for it.

or you might be telling them that they're so powerless that they daren't gainsay you ....

Blogger atropates12 May 25, 2018 11:24 PM  

What's the lie?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 25, 2018 11:29 PM  

I thought you were going, Atropates.

Blogger atropates12 May 25, 2018 11:33 PM  

I am, but as stated, here to finish the topic, as far as the responses go, and as far as it interests me.

Blogger Unknown May 26, 2018 4:19 AM  

@atropates

In posting here, it is wise to recognise that the sub-intellectial Amerikaaners who comment here like to flail about hoping to decapitate anyone who doesn't infest the mangy dog they inhabit in quite the way they do.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants May 26, 2018 10:47 AM  

Dennis Prayer, that old "we are all one people," NeoCon, is better?!?
Have you listened to decades of Prayer, or read decades of his writings?
He is as bad as Benji. Notice all those "Boomer tier" Prager U videos he puts out are full of "based minorities" with BoomerCon talking points. If you missed the one on the Alt-right, (filled w/lies), you should check it out.
He's not better than Shapiro, he's just more covert.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants May 26, 2018 10:49 AM  

What, pray tell, is wrong with the "rural South???"

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants May 26, 2018 11:12 AM  

Rarely has a comment here made me this angry.
You are a deluded fool if you think that Shapiro is a "good man."
If he was such a "good man," why was he spending all his days at Harvard, writing war porn propaganda for the white goyim, encouraging them to go fight for Israel in the Iraq war, instead of enlisting himself, if he believed so deeply in it's merits?
He's a nasty, odious little snake. He's spent the last 3 yrs sh*tting on Trump and nationalists, and continues to this day.
He's worse than the leftists, IMO.
He should move to Israel with his Israeli wife and worry about Israel from there.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants May 26, 2018 11:16 AM  

Shapiro is loyal to ISRAEL not AMERICA, you thick-headed dunce.

Blogger atropates12 May 26, 2018 11:46 AM  

Where did I write 'good man'?

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 26, 2018 1:48 PM  

Luther trained Scottish ministers who became Presbyterians. Luther's big thing was freedom. Every generation past Luther pushes it as far as it can go. The Presbyterian sermons, pre-American Revolution were debates about government, justice, freedom, and so on.

Fortunately it was a group effort of many minds with many excellent springs of education. So it wasn't exclusively Lutheran. If so, we'd be Minnesota and Sweden and Germany continent-wide. We are not, and not just because of immigrants. Our own founding stock had other ideas in the mix.

Blogger Lyon May 26, 2018 5:43 PM  

Bravo!

...specifically, though not limited to, this:

"To rely upon a single phrase of a document in contradiction to the central theme of the entire document, which is that the People of the United Colonies are an English people, unique and distinct from foreigners, Indians, and the English people loyal to the King of Britain, is an outrageous attempt at deceit that relies entirely upon the historical ignorance of the audience. To say that anyone can become an American because "all men are created equal" is a shameless lie. One might as legitimately cite it as evidence to claim it means anyone can become Chinese." - VD

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