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Friday, May 18, 2018

The Suicide of the Conservative Movement

Paul Gottfried points out that the title of Jonah Goldberg's recent book could be more accurately named, in his review of Suicide of the West:
For his newest venture into deep thought, Goldberg has crassly stolen the title of James Burnham’s great work, Suicide of the West, published in 1964 at the height of the Cold War.

That is where the similarity ends. Unlike Burnham’s scalding indictment of liberalism as “the ideology of Western suicide,” Goldberg’s random opinions represent the very pathology that Burnham railed against. Goldberg hates national identities (although he makes an exception for Israel), opponents of the Deep State, immigration patriots, and those who imagine that democracy has something to do with the popular will. Rather his “conservative” view of democracy privileges public administration, the operation of multinational corporations, and socially sophisticated journalists such as like himself.

One need only cite this passage from Burnham’s work to grasp the extent to which Burnham might have been thinking of someone like Goldberg when he described the quintessential liberal:

“Liberalism has always stressed change, reform, the break with encrusted habit whether in the form of old ideas, old customs or old institutions. Thus liberalism has been and continues to be primarily negative in its impact on society: and in point of fact it is through its negative and destructive achievements that liberalism makes its best claim to historical justification.”

By now, however, Burnham’s Leftist hallmarks are “conservative” positions. After all, Goldberg’s book, which abounds in the Leftist virtue-signaling mandatory for Main Stream Media Token Conservatives, is being sold by “conservative” book clubs. It is also featured in a Crown Forum Series devoted to conservative thought. For those who may doubt whether the author is an authorized “conservative,” one need only turn to National Review, a publication at which Goldberg still holds an editorship, or else watch him jaw with other Fox News Allstars as a designated Man Of The Right.

I regard Goldberg as a prime example of the near-total ideological primacy of the Cultural Marxist Left. We are living in a time and place in which what would be crazy-Left up until about two generations ago is assigned a “Right-Wing” label, in order to keep alive a dialectic that is transparently phony.

In about a ten-page digression into the nature of conservatism—his entire book is really nothing more than a series of digressions—Goldberg identifies “conservatism” with resisting Donald Trump. The U.S. President, whom Goldberg with other Never-Trumpers has inflexibly opposed, is described as a vulgar throwback to the 1930s “on both sides of the Atlantic.” People back then believed “decadent Western capitalism and ‘Manchester liberalism’ were inadequate to the challenges of the day.”

All of this coming from Goldberg is utter chutzpah, considering that he now happily accepts massive social engineering in order to overcome “discrimination” against certain groups.
This false dialectic is precisely why The New York Times anointed the Brothers Weinstein, the Littlest Chickenhawk, and Dr. Jordanetics as the Approved Opposition. They are selected as the anti-narrative to the mainstream media's narrative, which is intended to produce a leftward-trending synthesis.

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Blogger Cecil Henry May 18, 2018 3:34 PM  

It's amazing what even Homer learns over time:


https://cwporter.com/SITE%20PICS/always%20do%20opposite%20of%20what%20Jews%20say.jpg

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 18, 2018 3:44 PM  

I love it when Gottfried writes about Conservatism, Inc. He has an almost joyful hatred of them. Seems to be enjoying himself more now that he's retired from his university.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 18, 2018 3:51 PM  

The wrestler is no doubt more pro Western Civilization than the writer.

Blogger tublecane May 18, 2018 3:53 PM  

Jelly Butter Peanut is currently getting excoriated for some comment or another on the dangers of "incels" and the social benefits of monogamy. Which to feminist ears sounds like advocating state-sponsored rape. Because anything whatsoever interfering with their freedom to stay on the you-know-what carousel is their daddies holding them down while some loser uses them. Because they're mentally ill.

The phony-"anti-Narrative"/Narrative Hegelian dialectic is too easy when the left is as nuts as it is You can basically position yourself as a reactionary by wanting to burn down half of the world instead of the whole world.

Blogger Damn Crackers May 18, 2018 3:56 PM  

It's sad to see the author of Liberal Fascism as just another Cuckservative. I'm glad it's the only book I read by him.

Blogger Daniel May 18, 2018 4:00 PM  

Well, if you are going to stand athwart the train tracks and yell, "Stop!", it really only becomes _movement_ when you step forward onto the tracks and yell, "I'm a train!"

Anonymous Anonymous May 18, 2018 4:09 PM  

Liberal Fascism was a fraud, an attempt to create a “Democrats R Da Reel Nazis” meme. Like all conservative strategies, the “book” (written by a ghostwriter) was nothing more than an advertising campaign to promote Corporate Globohomo and ZOG Inc.

Blogger Frank Brady May 18, 2018 4:09 PM  

Jonah Goldberg is a prototypical neoconservative.As none other than Irving Kristol wrote unabashedly in "The Neoconservative Persuasion", "...one can say that the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills [emphasis added], into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy."

Kristol, Strauss, and their neocon disciples are moral relativists who share a disregard for truth that is nearly as great as their disdain for the essential American idea of individual liberty. Kristol wrote, "There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn't work."

On the role of the State, Kristol is quite open. He wrote, "Neocons do not feel that kind of alarm or anxiety about the growth of the state in the past century, seeing it as natural, indeed inevitable. Because they tend to be more interested in history than economics or sociology, they know that the 19th-century idea, so neatly propounded by Herbert Spencer in his "The Man Versus the State," was a historical eccentricity."

For his part, Strauss, another of the neocon founding fathers wrote an entire book ("Natural Right and History") praising what he called the political realism of the ancients who denied that there was any natural human right to liberty or truth. He was especially taken with Plato's discourses on "noble Lies." Strauss implicitly believed, as did Plato, that "noble Lies" were essential to stable government because they gave the people meaning and purpose. Strauss also believed that secrecy is necessary tool for ruling elites. In "Persecution and the Art of Writing", he explained that "the wise" must conceal their motives and actions in order to protect themselves from uprisings and reprisals.

Understanding the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of neoconservatism at its roots helps explain much of what is otherwise inexplicable in today's domestic political universe.

Blogger James Dixon May 18, 2018 4:11 PM  

> Jelly Butter Peanut is currently getting excoriated for some comment or another on the dangers of "incels" and the social benefits of monogamy.

That brings to mind this story: http://www.newsweek.com/incel-ellen-pao-reddit-silicon-valley-involuntary-celibate-tech-gender-910107

Let's see. The tech companies are worried about incels. They have a number of female employees on staff for diversity reasons, many in "human resources", who actually perform very little useful work for the company. All of them have contracts which say "other duties as assigned".

Hmm. The solution seems obvious, but somehow I doubt Pao will like it.

Blogger tublecane May 18, 2018 4:20 PM  

@8- That's a tendentious reading of Persecution and the Art of Writing. I won't deny that may be a part of it, but "persecution" takes many forms .That book was written while the Iron Curtain was still up, and writers behind it were of course under extreme pressure not to air dissident thought.

Plato's master Socrates was not a tyrant who needed protection of Noble Lies from righteously angry commoners. He was just a guy who may or may not have been corrupting youth, and he was killed by the democratic state for spreading ideas.

So you could see what practical things Plato was dealing with. Though he was an adviser to a tyrant later on, he wasn't dictating from a position of authority.

It's a basic fact that people spread messages "between the lines," and there's nothing wrong with that. It's necessary for lots of people now, considering how precarious a position wrongthink puts one in. You probably won't go to jail and definitely won't be executed, but you could lose your livelihood and become a pariah.

Not that none of what you're talking about is in Strauss. And I happen to not care for Strauss or Straussian methods. But people go to such ridiculous extremes criticizing the "esoteric writing" and Noble Lie stuff. As if Strauss is to blame for Dubya Bush lying about WMDs to start a war, or something.

Blogger tublecane May 18, 2018 4:27 PM  

@9- I think it was clear she was hinting those employees should be rooted out. But plenty of people took her to be suggesting some sort of "comfort girl" program. Because that's where their minds go.

I don't see why the employees couldn't visit prostitutes on their own time. But that's of course not a real solution. Whores are not different enough from masturbation. There's no substitute for meaningful and productive human relations. Mere sex can curb the dangers incels pose, but patriarchy is the only long-term solution.

Blogger Frank Brady May 18, 2018 4:48 PM  

tublecane wrote:@8- That's a tendentious reading of Persecution and the Art of Writing. I won't deny that may be a part of it, but "persecution" takes many forms .That book was written while the Iron Curtain was still up, and writers behind it were of course under extreme pressure not to air dissident thought.

The point is that Kristol, Strauss, and their disciples have hijacked the Republican Party and their beliefs about truth, liberty, morality, etc. form the intellectual foundation of neoconservatism today. I don't believe that Dubya was a neoconservative, but he was manipulated by them (notably including John Bolton) into using the WMD lie as an excuse for the completely unwarranted invasion of Iraq---just as Trump is being manipulated into a new equally unwarranted war with Iran by the same people using the same lies.

Blogger Damn Crackers May 18, 2018 4:49 PM  

@10 - That's what I always got out of Strauss from the very little reading about him. And yes, it is far from clear that the Godfather of neoconservatism would have been ok with the expansionism of the post-9/11 wars to promote liberal democracy.

I always understood Strauss to claim that liberal democracy was the best form of government to protect the intellectual class of "philosophers"; promotion of that form of government was best.

Also, didn't Georg Sorel discuss the Noble Lie prior to anything Strauss wrote? Strauss and his buddy Alexandre Kojeve appreciated Right Hegelianism, which Fukuyama mirrored in his book "The End of History." As stated by Vox during his Darkstream, these neocon attitudes led to some of the most arrogant ideas developing in modern history

Blogger Damn Crackers May 18, 2018 4:55 PM  

@12 - I agree. But please allow me to be an assh*le on one point. There were WMDs in Iraq, but they were useless and old by the time we got there. The lie was they were there in significant numbers to justify an invasion and overthrow.

The ironic thing about the whole Iraq invasion was the goal of setting up a base to take out Iran, which Saddam couldn't do. It now looks like the Shia stooge of Iran, al-Sadr, may end up running Iraq shortly. Never thought that would happen, did you Wolfowitz!?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2018 5:06 PM  

Frank Brady wrote:... just as Trump is being manipulated into a new equally unwarranted war with Iran by the same people using the same lies.

Poor, naive Trump. What a pity he has no experience in the ways of the world, nor with the ruling class.

Blogger tublecane May 18, 2018 5:09 PM  

@12- There is a massive amount of deception behind neoconservatism. Moreso than conservatism-proper, which as we all know is also dishonest.

For instance, how long did it take you to figure out neocons were all "former" Trotskyites jealous of other commies getting to run the left? Took me forever.

Blogger RobertT May 18, 2018 5:16 PM  

Goldberg's an idiot. Many of the leading lights of the right are functional idiots. I learned that in the nineties when I ran for Congress as an R. Since then I've been seething in solitary silence. Goldberg is still defending the failed ideologies he & his cronies formulated.

Blogger RobertT May 18, 2018 5:17 PM  

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Blogger RobertT May 18, 2018 5:18 PM  

Which is worse, the liberal left or the conservative right?

Anonymous Anonymous May 18, 2018 5:20 PM  

This explains Bill Kristol's hubris. Neoconservativism is anti-American.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 18, 2018 5:27 PM  

RobertT wrote:Which is worse, the liberal left or the conservative right?The Liberal Left is dedicated to destroying America.
The Conservatives are dedicated to preventing the creation of a genuine Right that might fight the Left effectively or eventually recover the national culture.
The Conservatives must be destroyed so that we can get to the Left.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel May 18, 2018 5:28 PM  

Gottfried is a far more honest Jewish thinker than Goldberg who attacks white identity ONLY BECAUSE it may interfere with white submission to Jewish identity and interests.

Gottfried thinks white interests and Jewish interests can co-exist. Goldberg and ilk think white identity must be suppressed in order for whites to serve Jewish interests. This is a sleight-of-hand trick. Goldberg and ilk would have believe that the WEST is about universal ideas about individualism, BUT, in point of fact, they tell whites to surrender white identity to serve JEWISH identity. Tricky.

ANXI-Semitism as opposed to ANTI-Semitism.

Most sane people know that antisemitism, meaning knee-jerk hostility toward Jews, is wrong. It is dead wrong. But because of the promiscuous use of that term, even mild and sympathetic critics of Jews are often smeared with that term.

Maybe we need a new term: Anxi-Semitic. It would mean having ANXIETIES about jewish power and/or Jewish influence.

Anxi-Semitism would be ridiculous if Jews were weak and powerless. What would be the point of expending time and energy on examining and critiquing a people/community unless it had power and influence?

Precisely because Jews have lots of power in media-academia-finance-government-real-estate-entertainment-narrative-formation, it only seems natural to any sane and thinking person to have anxieties about the direction of Jewish power.

I mean... anyone who doesn't worry about Jewish influence in relation to Iran, Russia, and other parts and peoples of the world isn't being real about what's happening.

To address those worries and fears, we need a bit of Anxi-Semitism. We need to be ANXIOUS in order to prevent another Iraq War or some such.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel May 18, 2018 5:32 PM  

Damn Crackers,

No, Goldberg is NOT a 'cuckservative'.

A cuck is someone who sacrifices his own interests to serve another's.

Goldberg is a Jewish Firster who demands that whites serve Jews. He is pushing cuckery on others. He is serving his own tribal interest.

Blogger Nate May 18, 2018 5:33 PM  

speaking of conservative suicide... i note the founder of Tea Party USA is calling for the arrest of the Sante Fe shooter's father for not locking his guns up.

I mean its like the DNC talking points rolled out... and you can tell which traitors are on their side just by listening a little bit.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir May 18, 2018 5:45 PM  

No schlepping for this guy. He wants his shekels the easy way. Steal material from here, from there, from anywhere. It doesn't matter. Cobble it together in a book (a nice thin one is best) and watch the dough roll in. A schlockmeister and a fraud.

Blogger Frank Brady May 18, 2018 5:46 PM  

tublecane wrote:@12- There is a massive amount of deception behind neoconservatism. Moreso than conservatism-proper, which as we all know is also dishonest.

For instance, how long did it take you to figure out neocons were all "former" Trotskyites jealous of other commies getting to run the left? Took me forever.


It took me much longer than it should have. I began to understand back in March of 1992 when National Review accused Pat Buchanan and Joe Sobran of antisemitism, an accusation so outrageous that I cancelled by subscription and began digging. I truly believe that the neoconservative movement is an existential threat that poses the greatest danger to what remains of the American nation.

Blogger Nathan May 18, 2018 5:49 PM  

Where in the Gospels are we instructed in the Noble Lie?

Blogger tublecane May 18, 2018 5:53 PM  

@22- That term wouldn't serve your purposes, because there isn't much of a concept of rational or healthy anxiety abroad.

Gottfried talks extensively about the psychopathologization of political differences in his book Multiculturalism and the Politics of Guilt. I'm sure your term would only help convince people those concerned about Jews require medical intervention.

Blogger insight May 18, 2018 6:02 PM  

That Hegelian Dialectic is pretty formidable stuff when you don't know its being used on you.

Blogger Crew May 18, 2018 6:05 PM  

I was intrigued by the this quote from above:

“Liberalism has always stressed change, reform, the break with encrusted habit whether in the form of old ideas, old customs or old institutions. Thus liberalism has been and continues to be primarily negative in its impact on society: and in point of fact it is through its negative and destructive achievements that liberalism makes its best claim to historical justification.”

and this from Who Moved My Cheese:

He had to admit that the biggest inhibitor to change lies within yourself, and
that nothing gets better until you. change.

Perhaps most importantly, he realized that there is always New Cheese out
there whether you recognize it at the time, or not. And that you are rewarded
with it when you go past your fear and enjoy the adventure.

Blogger insight May 18, 2018 6:07 PM  

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm

Anonymous Anonymous May 18, 2018 6:08 PM  

@26

" ... I began to understand back in March of 1992 when National Review accused Pat Buchanan and Joe Sobran of antisemitism, an accusation so outrageous that I cancelled by subscription and began digging."

I was already convinced that National Review was our enemy even before that, but it was only suspicion and not proven. What they did to Pat and Joe sealed the deal for me. I have not read a word in that magazine since.

The neo-cons are totally evil and I hope to live to see the majority of Americans realize that fact.

Blogger tublecane May 18, 2018 6:16 PM  

@29- True. It worked on the world to produce WWII, then the U.N., EU, and countless other globalist desiderata.

"We now know" who funded both Nazis and Bolshies, and why.

Blogger SciVo May 18, 2018 6:26 PM  

Damn Crackers wrote:It's sad to see the author of Liberal Fascism as just another Cuckservative. I'm glad it's the only book I read by him.

I have a suggestion for his next book: "Conservative Marxism: Individual Atomization in the Dialectical Struggle to Centralize All Power -- An Insiders' View."

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2018 6:31 PM  

Nate wrote:speaking of conservative suicide... i note the founder of Tea Party USA is calling for the arrest of the Sante Fe shooter's father for not locking his guns up.

I said something in an earlier thread about ...we all have our guns, and are terrified by the prospect of using them, to the point that we will join a leftist swarm in attacking anyone who does.

This is another example of cucks virtue signaling for Leftist approval.

Blogger PCA May 18, 2018 6:32 PM  

Counter-semitism does a fine job of explaining that much, if not most "anti-semitism" is actually a mere reaction to semitism.

Blogger insight May 18, 2018 6:32 PM  

http://www.redmoonrising.com/AmericanBabylon/ABindex.htm

Blogger weka May 18, 2018 6:39 PM  

Not having to deal with the complaints of of of gender fluid landwhales is somewhat liberating, yes

Blogger weka May 18, 2018 6:41 PM  

Why make a distinction? Helicopter rides will be for all.

Blogger Ceerilan May 18, 2018 6:58 PM  

It's really telling that Dr. Peterson specifically is being tapped for leadership of the official opposition. He's an actual leftist. Early in his life, he was a young NDP operative in Canada. This is the perpetual third party of Canada that has never compromised it's socialist/communist principles, only changing the masks it chooses to wear. Nowadays, Peterson is more like what Americans call a libertarian. This is the ideology that helped give rise to the communists, then refused to be fully integrated into the conservative movement.

Blogger Crew May 18, 2018 7:09 PM  

Heh. Has Vox convinced the Lying New York Times about Jordan Peterson?

https://www.dailywire.com/news/30825/new-york-times-runs-comprehensive-hit-piece-jordan-ben-shapiro

Mr. Peterson, 55, a University of Toronto psychology professor turned YouTube philosopher turned mystical father figure, has emerged as an influential thought leader. The messages he delivers range from hoary self-help empowerment talk (clean your room, stand up straight) to the more retrograde and political (a society run as a patriarchy makes sense and stems mostly from men’s competence; the notion of white privilege is a farce). He is the stately looking, pedigreed voice for a group of culture warriors who are working diligently to undermine mainstream and liberal efforts to promote equality.

Hmmm, those don't look like Vox's arguments.

Blogger cremes May 18, 2018 8:26 PM  

Anyone have a more up-to-date URL for seeing the latest Q posts? I've been watching https://qanonposts.com/ but it hasn't updated for 3 days and I'm seeing references all over twitter to posts within the last day.

Didn't mean to hijack this thread... (and doubt this will).

Anonymous Anonymous May 18, 2018 8:34 PM  

https://qanon.pub

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey May 18, 2018 8:38 PM  

It's hard to believe that this latest dreck from Jonah was produced by the same mind that gave us Liberal Fascism. As a reviewer, Paul Gottfried is not the first to point out that Jonah's latest work here can be described as nothing more than a pointless series of digressions.

Jonah showed real promise. Yet he has succumbed apparently to the weight of prior investment and personal subsidies to a particular view of the world. He exhibits as a man in pain who is chafing against current realities, and not doing well with it. Emotion rules him today, he refuses to re-measure his drapes.

He's stuck in a kind of infantile state. It's a shame. I had hoped he'd have done better.

People always let you down.

Blogger Lovekraft May 18, 2018 8:44 PM  

Interesting take on the monopoly aspect of big tech and how they are unconstitutional, referencing a 1946 Supreme Court decision.

https://i.redd.it/y3spitkztly01.jpg

Blogger Dire Badger May 18, 2018 9:36 PM  

Lovekraft:

And ANY lawyer would argue that twitter isn't arresting anyone for trespassing.

Blogger tz May 18, 2018 9:43 PM  

And apparently there will be a series, since Max Boot just released the cover image of his new book

The Corrosion of Conservatism
Why I left the right

Jacked Boot?

Blogger Looking Glass May 18, 2018 9:46 PM  

@41 Crew

No, it's the Leftist side of the con. "If the Left says he's 'bad', clearly he's doing something right." In wrestling terms, the NYT is "putting JP over". They do a long, negative profile that's part out of bounds, part off topic and part clearly missing the blatantly logical point.

JP has now been properly "framed" within the Media. That's how the game is played.


OT but this is sort of hilarious.

Steam apparently is going to remove Anime-inspired titles with suggestive or sexual imagery. You can see the group that apparently was pushing it respond here: https://twitter.com/ncose/status/997484630273032192

National Center on Sexual Exploitation
‏@ncose
#VICTORY: @Steam_games to remove sexually explicit and sexually violent videogames from platform #metoosolutions no more sexual assault training for the 35mill minors using their site https://endsexualexploitation.org/articles/victory-steam-remove-sexually-explicit-violent-videogames-platform/ … for press comments: @DawnHawkins33 or @HaleyCHalverson


H/t to Mombot for the links.

But, well, the main reason to bring it up is a statement from one of the developers effected. Mostly because I've been laughing about this for 5 minutes.

"It's an anime titty holocaust."

https://twitter.com/HuniePotDev/status/997339196149743616

Given the way most comments eventually go, there's some deep synergy there.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia May 18, 2018 9:55 PM  

@Frank Brady wrote

The point is that Kristol, Strauss, and their disciples have hijacked the Republican Party and their beliefs about truth, liberty, morality, etc. form the intellectual foundation of neoconservatism today. I don't believe that Dubya was a neoconservative, but he was manipulated by them (notably including John Bolton) into using the WMD lie as an excuse for the completely unwarranted invasion of Iraq---just as Trump is being manipulated into a new equally unwarranted war with Iran by the same people using the same lies.

All this is true, but nonetheless we have to understand that there are bad actors in the world, and these bad actors can cause mischief that can hurt US. China is a bad actor. NK is a bad actor. Iran is a bad actor. Erdogan is a bad actor. Saddam was a bad actor.

That doesn't mean we go to war with every bad actor, or even ANY bad actor -- far from it. The Iraq War was, in retrospect, (or in prospective terms) a bad idea. But we need to get real.

Even Jefferson knew, in the 18th and early 19th Century, that the Barbary pirates were REALLY bad actors. We should never be "borderless globalists" but on the other hand, we shouldn't ignore the fact the other global actors are out to screw us, or our friends.

It's all about calibration, a hard-headed, even hard-hearted realpolitik. Afghanistan is not worth saving, most likely, but ISIS is worth destroying because they have a potential reach that is not acceptable. Crush 'em.

Again, there's nothing inconsistent about the USA being a non-acquistive Empire and keeping our borders tight as a tick and our culture secure. And if Zimbabwean and South African negroids want to crush the local white man, well, that's sad, but who cares?

But if ISIS plans to send jihadists into Western Europe, the UK and the United States, wax 'em till they are all liquid flesh. We CAN afford it, assuming of course that other stupid wealth sucking libtard inclinations are under control

Blogger kurt9 May 18, 2018 10:41 PM  

Peter Thiel on the decline of Western Civilization:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JTnztV5oJQ&t=1s

Blogger Rough Carrigan May 18, 2018 11:00 PM  

#47, perpetual-war lover Max Boot is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, an avowedly globalist, anti American, anti Constitutional organization. It would be impossible for Boot to plausibly claim to support the putative aims of conservatism and those of the CFR.

And you know who else was a member of the CFR? William F. Buckley!

Blogger Eli May 18, 2018 11:08 PM  

@48 Typical. Valve cucked out it seems. The type of games they are referring to never appealed to me, but the idea of valve censoring games is bs. Now we have to build our own steam like platforms at some point as well it seams.

As for the topic at hand I'll admit Jonah was one of those conservative pundits that I never really payed attention to. He just seemed like another neocon or globalist-lite. We have enough of those as it is.

Blogger Ian Stein May 18, 2018 11:08 PM  

Jonah Goldberg. Meh, I'm sick of pansies with a platform.

Blogger Brett baker May 18, 2018 11:18 PM  

Gottfried is Catholic.

Blogger Rickaby007 May 18, 2018 11:19 PM  

The Intellectual Dark Web, spun by the evil spiders to trap their prey whose innards they intend to liquefy then consume, mercilessly. Its sticky silk glistens attractively in the light provided by none other than the head spider himself. Behind the bark he waits, fangs dripping venom.

Blogger Brett baker May 18, 2018 11:22 PM  

Gottfried is Catholic.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 18, 2018 11:58 PM  

@24

"speaking of conservative suicide... i note the founder of Tea Party USA is calling for the arrest of the Sante Fe shooter's father for not locking his guns up.

I mean its like the DNC talking points rolled out... and you can tell which traitors are on their side just by listening a little bit."


Those idiots send me an email every single day, begging for money.

It's obvious that they're just a bunch of GOPe pretending to be anti-GOPe.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 19, 2018 12:01 AM  

@27

"Where in the Gospels are we instructed in the Noble Lie?"

It's in the book of Holocaust, in the parable about the Gentile family hiding Jews in the attic, ahd the conversation when the answer a knock on the door and see a bunch of Nazi soldiers.

Oh... you mean in the word of God? God said nothing to endorse taqqiya in either the Old or New Testament. He just said to not bear false witness.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 19, 2018 12:03 AM  

Nate wrote:i note the founder of Tea Party USA is calling for the arrest of the Sante Fe shooter's father for not locking his guns up.
Wrong TP-USA. This one is the 20-something founder of Talking Points USA

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 19, 2018 12:13 AM  

Charlie Kirk is sending out that email saying the dad should be locked up?

Blogger tublecane May 19, 2018 1:16 AM  

@41- The NYT is edited by illiterates. They reference to something as "hoary," meaning aged. Then they shift to what is "more retrograde." Which is like saying Peterson's teachings are "old" and "more old."

Blogger tublecane May 19, 2018 1:20 AM  

@47- When was he on the right?

Oh, he was a Jewish refugee from Soviet Russia, which means he didn't like commies as much as certain other people.

Blogger SciVo May 19, 2018 2:08 AM  

Random thought: it is only if you are to the left of Stalin that everyone to his right looks like Hitler.

Blogger Alexandros May 19, 2018 3:58 AM  

Man, do I enjoy some Paul Gottfried. Vox, you ought to interview him.

Blogger Stilicho May 19, 2018 6:24 AM  

No need to read Goldberg's book. I heard him on RINO radio presenting his central thesis as "the West is a lucky accident, so we should try to keep the parts I like". The parts he likes appear to mostly be creature comforts and well-run bureaucracy (but not the bad, wasteful kind!). Hugh Hewitt nearly had a Bro-gasm congratulating him on his insight.

Blogger Howard Stone May 19, 2018 8:03 AM  

It's clear now that conservatives were always meant to be the straw men of the right, and the punching bags of the left, and that Conservatism served nothing more than to provide a distorted thesis to synthesize with the left’s antithesis. After all the left never is the one to compromise, it’s always the conservatives, giving up more and more ground little by little, while the left keeps marching ever onward.

Blogger English Tom May 19, 2018 9:47 AM  

@ Damn Crackers.

There were NO Dad's in Iraq. That war had been planned since 1980's (see: Oded Yinon plan) also see: A Clean Break a strategy for securing the realm by Richard Perle et al (note: the realm to be secured was Israel). You might also want to revisit the Downing Street memo which shows the decision to go to war was already made and they just needed to find a reason for invasion. The Invasion of Iraq was stage 1 of the Kurdistan project.

Invading countries for a lie. Crimes against humanity. What miracles Western militaries continue to perform for our (((Overlords))).

Blogger English Tom May 19, 2018 9:47 AM  

Sorry dad's should read WMD's

Blogger English Tom May 19, 2018 9:51 AM  

Andrea Daley Utrobenel

You nailed it.

Blogger English Tom May 19, 2018 9:52 AM  

How long did it take to realise neoconservatives were all of a (((certain ethnic commonality))).

Blogger Bultz May 19, 2018 1:06 PM  

Glenn Beck coming out as a trump supporter now...interesting timing

Blogger Frank Brady May 19, 2018 1:40 PM  

English Tom wrote:How long did it take to realise neoconservatives were all of a (((certain ethnic commonality))).

Many (although not all) neoconservatives have Jewish backgrounds. The extent to which Israeli dual citizens shaped U.S. foreign policy during Dubya's administration in the run up to the invasion of Iraq and subsequent prosecution of that war is absolutely stunning (or at least it was to me). Here, in last name alphabetical order, is a partial list of George W. Bush administration appointees (taken from a post on Ron Paul's web site) who reportedly hold dual U.S./Israeli citizenship. I have verified the dual-citizenship status of some (but not all) of the names on this list, so I would encourage anyone who is interested to do their own research. Many of these people still hold important posts today.

Elliott Abrams
Stuart Bernstein
Brad Blakeman
Lincoln Bloomfield
Samuel Bodman
Joshua Bolten
John Bolton
Nancy Brinker
Michael Chertoff
Eliot Cohen
Bonnie Cohen
Ruth Davis
Douglas Feith
Ari Fleischer
Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
David Frum
Christopher Gersten
Joseph Gildenhorn
Adam Goldman
Steve Goldsmith
Marc Grossman
Richard Haass
Henry Kissinger
Daniel Kurtzer
Frank Lavin
Jay Lefkowitz
Lewis "Scooter" Libby
Edward Luttwak
Ken Melman
Michael Mukasey
Richard Perle
Robert Satloff
James Schlesinger
Mel Sembler
Mel Sembler
Martin Silverstein
Cliff Sobel
Mark Weinberger
Ron Weiser
Paul Wolfowitz
David Wurmser
Dov Zakheim
Robert Zoellick

Blogger VD May 19, 2018 4:38 PM  

Glenn Beck coming out as a trump supporter now...interesting timing

He's a shameless whore. He doesn't want to lose the rest of his audience.

Blogger DonReynolds May 19, 2018 5:41 PM  

It feels like a football game, where the visiting team has split into two teams.....shirts and skins....and the home team is not allowed on the field or their locker room.

The visitors will play the game on OUR field, in front of OUR fans, using OUR football, and the refs are in on the deal. Rumor has it that the outcome is "inevitable" and there is someone making bets that he even knows the final score.

Blogger Damn Crackers May 19, 2018 8:02 PM  

@67 I don't disagree with the majority of what you said, but what were these?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

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