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Tuesday, May 08, 2018

Trump revokes Iran nuke deal

The President opts out.
President Donald Trump announced Tuesday the U.S. will pull out of the landmark nuclear accord with Iran, dealing a profound blow to U.S. allies and potentially deepening the president’s isolation on the world stage.

“The United States does not make empty threats,” he said in a televised address.

Trump’s decision means Iran’s government must now decide whether to follow the U.S. and withdraw or try to salvage what’s left of the deal. Iran has offered conflicting statements about what it may do — and the answer may depend on exactly how Trump exits the agreement.

Trump said he would move to re-impose all sanctions on Iran that had been lifted under the 2015 deal, not just the ones facing an immediate deadline. This had become known informally as the “nuclear option” because of the near-certainty that such a move would scuttle the deal.
I'm not going to pretend to try to understand all of the implications, but anything that the EU and Obama supported cannot have been a good thing. And, as always, I would caution against making any assumptions about the God-Emperor's intentions or objectives.

The man has earned our trust, repeatedly. Relax, wait, and see.

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Blogger Dave May 08, 2018 2:38 PM  

Yes! FU John Kerry

Blogger Jon D. May 08, 2018 2:39 PM  

Campaign promise achieved. He said it was the worst deal ever, he's followed through.

This also serves as a warning to our NAFTA friends to say "I do not give a damn about your crappy agreement that's screwing us. I'm not keeping things in place just to honor prior crappy presidents." Is a nice side effect.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 08, 2018 2:40 PM  

Pat Buchanan outlined a number of reasons why keeping the deal would have been a good thing, but there could be many relevant facts that he's simply unaware of. And of course this could be just another negotiating tactic by Trump.

Blogger exfarmkid May 08, 2018 2:46 PM  

I agree with Buchanan on this issue. I also read the IAEA reports and, according to them, Iran is in compliance with her treaty obligations.

However, I am hesitant to jump down Trump's throat at this point. I await more data.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 08, 2018 2:50 PM  

I see no upside to a nuclear armed Iran. I see no upside to supporting the Mad Mullahs. I see no upside to 0bammy's agreements, period.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar May 08, 2018 2:51 PM  

Woot!

Blogger Alan Simpson May 08, 2018 2:53 PM  

And will we get the pallet of money back that the Kenyan Muslim president gave them?

Blogger exfarmkid May 08, 2018 2:58 PM  

Alan Simpson, that "pallet of money" was part of the Iranian assets frozen by the U.S. gov't back in 1979.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 08, 2018 3:00 PM  

exfarmkid wrote:Alan Simpson, that "pallet of money" was part of the Iranian assets frozen by the U.S. gov't back in 1979.

Yes. It was simply crazy to give it back. Leaving aside current nuclear issues, the Iranians are mohammedan, and thus our enemy.

Blogger Dave May 08, 2018 3:08 PM  

IAEA reports and, according to them, Iran is in compliance with her treaty obligations.

"What's in that building over there?"

"Which building? Oh, that building over there? Oh nothing to see in there, no, we don't use that building. Here is the next building on the tour, see, this is the one to see over here."

"Ok, well, let's get a move-on, I've gotta catch my flight."

Blogger Bogey May 08, 2018 3:11 PM  

Trump will only negotiate from a strong position, Obama was weak.

Blogger Antony May 08, 2018 3:14 PM  

The deal was as good as it got, and Iran has stuck by it's side of the bargain, the elephant in the room here is that Israel wants USA to go to war with Iran on it's behalf.
The best deal to replace this one would be to take into account the fact that Israel already illegally possesses nuclear weapons, and to have Israel give them up in return for Iran not pursuing any nuclear ambitions - both sides to be subject to rigorous international inspection.

Blogger Katusov May 08, 2018 3:16 PM  

Why would Iran want the money we owed them back as a "pallet of cash"? Were there some kick backs to some people involved on the deal? Maybe the Clerics of Iran were going to party incognito in Bahrain? It does not pass the stink test. Maybe if Trump negotiates a new deal, we get the money back, or at least find out where it went.

Blogger Nathan Bruno May 08, 2018 3:16 PM  

When will the federal marshals be sent to arrest John Kerry for repeated and egregious violations of the Logan Act?

Blogger exfarmkid May 08, 2018 3:21 PM  

10. Dave,

Um....interesting scenario you paint there.

However, despite being a UN organization, the IAEA has had a reasonably good track record. Based on past performance, I won't dismiss their reports out of hand.

Yes, it's possible that the present crew are full of crap.

And, as I wrote previously, I await more data.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook May 08, 2018 3:29 PM  

I predict much fluster from The Littlest Chickenhawk and ((((certain lobbyists)))).

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction May 08, 2018 3:30 PM  

@15

Pulled from info galactic:

On March 4, 2016, Olli Heinonen, former Deputy Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, wrote that "the International Atomic Energy Agency’s most recent report on Iran’s nuclear activities provides insufficient details on important verification and monitoring issues", and said that the report's lack of detailed data prevented the international community from verifying whether Iran was complying with the deal.[512]

Iran taking US sailors hostage alone was enough for me to support the president saying "fuck you Iran deal is off"

Blogger Robert Divinity May 08, 2018 3:31 PM  

Trump absolutely has earned our trust. Sometimes the only basis to make a judgment about an issue is who are the proponents and who are the opponents. Yes, that's not exactly an informed judgment but it's often accurate. In this case, the Republican-"led" Senate used a cynical ploy to pave the way for a Deep State-friendly treaty and circumvent the two-thirds majority required for ratification. The treaty-by-another-name was the crown jewel of the Obama Administration. Those are good enough reasons to rip it to pieces. The outlier here is Pat Buchanan, but his support doesn't outweigh the reasons to be suspicious and put the deal aside.

In short, I trust Trump.

Blogger John M May 08, 2018 3:32 PM  

Goal of the treaty never was to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. It was to delay their nuclear ambitions, something Kerry and others who made the deal has made clear time and time. Which was a dumb thing to do as it was just kicking the can down the road.

Blogger Robert Divinity May 08, 2018 3:35 PM  

Why would Iran want the money we owed them back as a "pallet of cash"?

It's much like an inner-city drug bust where the involved police agency announces "X" amount of cash was seized. Add about 60 to 80 percent to the money delivered to Tehran to calculate how much actually was involved and who benefited the most.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 08, 2018 3:48 PM  

Trump appears to have done a good job dealing with North Korea, I'm sure he can do the same with Iran.

Blogger Salt May 08, 2018 3:49 PM  

Buchanan wanted to stay in, saying "Time is not on the side of the Islamic Republic." Then getting out should not alter that.

Blogger Fred May 08, 2018 4:00 PM  

Any Obama supported is at its core, wrong and evil for the American taxpayer.

Blogger Long Live The West May 08, 2018 4:05 PM  

If Obama was for it, repeal it.

Simple as that.

The only deal we should be making with any middle eastern country is this. They stay off our bad side, we don't turn their country into the largest glass desert in the world. And keep in mind that lying is legal under Islam when dealing with "infidels". We should treat them accordingly.

It also irritates me to no end that our politicians are so spineless when it comes to negotiating. We're holding all the cards. About time we had a leader who acknowledged it.

Blogger APL May 08, 2018 4:07 PM  

" and potentially deepening the president’s isolation on the world stage."

That one always makes me laugh.

Largest economy, largest military, most influence, but isolated.

Reminds me of the sneer they used to use when they wanted to sneer at the British. 'Fog in English Channel, Continent cut off'.

Anonymous Anonymous May 08, 2018 4:09 PM  

However, despite being a UN organization, the IAEA has had a reasonably good track record. Based on past performance, I won't dismiss their reports out of hand.

Yeah, they've done such a fabulous job with Fukushima.

Blogger 357Delta May 08, 2018 4:15 PM  

From what I understand the idea behind the treaty was to allow the economy of Iran to grow and the people to enjoy the increased standard of living and wealth. Then they would eventually, perhaps 20 years from now, be nuclear power but not be so willing to go down in a blaze of glory since they would have a much better place to live than at the time the treaty was signed.

I'm not saying it was going to work, or it was a good idea, but that was the idea behind it.

Blogger Matamoros May 08, 2018 4:22 PM  

Off topic - Another Fake American Against America

Suit Seeks To Remove "So Help Me God" From Citizenship Oath

According to a press release yesterday from the Raelian Movement, a French national living in Massachusetts who is seeking to become a U.S. citizen has filed suit in federal district court seeking to have the phrase "So help me God" stricken from the citizenship oath. Olga Paule Perrier-Bilbo is an atheist and says that the required oath violates her religious free exercise rights. Perrier-Bilbo is represented by activist Michael Newdow who has filed suits in the past seeking to have mention of God removed from currency, the Pledge of Allegiance and the Presidential oath.


http://religionclause.blogspot.com/2018/05/suit-seeks-to-remove-so-help-me-god.html

Blogger lazlo azavaar May 08, 2018 4:27 PM  

28. Perrier-Bilbo needs trundle her ass back to the Perrier-Shire.

Blogger Alexandros May 08, 2018 4:28 PM  

>I see no upside yo a nuclear armed Iran.

Well, for one, it discourages the US from more military adventurism in their backyard. That's a huge upside right there.

For another, its the opposite outcome that Israel is schilling for. I haven't been the greatest fan of their desires ever since their evidence careening us into gulf war 2 turned out to be nothing but a pack of lies.

Anonymous Anonymous May 08, 2018 4:29 PM  

Make Persia Great Again!

Blogger James Dixon May 08, 2018 4:30 PM  

> The man has earned our trust, repeatedly. Relax, wait, and see.

While I consider this an unambiguous good, I would agree even if he had decided to keep the deal for now. He's done more than enough to earn our trust.

> Buchanan wanted to stay in, saying "Time is not on the side of the Islamic Republic." Then getting out should not alter that.

Exactly. It should put even more pressure on the mullahs. Trump obviously has longer term objectives in mind.

Blogger James Dixon May 08, 2018 4:34 PM  

> ...a French national living in Massachusetts who is seeking to become a U.S. citizen has filed suit in federal district court seeking to have the phrase "So help me God" stricken from the citizenship oath. Olga Paule Perrier-Bilbo is an atheist and says that the required oath violates her religious free exercise rights.

The relevant court needs to remind her that until she's taken the oath she is not a citizen and doesn't have any free exercise of religion right.

Blogger Arthur Isaac May 08, 2018 4:35 PM  

If Obama was so concerned with American credibility he would have been transparent in his actions and the deal would have taken the form of a ratified treat. Of course Mr. Pen and Phone couldn't be troubled.

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 08, 2018 4:39 PM  

I think that being in the nuke deal was better than being out. But I could be wrong. A lot depends on how Saudi Arabia reacts to whatever Iran does. Iranians having nukes doesn't frighten me, they don't tend to act rashly. Saudis with nukes are scary, who knows who'll be running that place ten years from now. It's quite possible Trump is acting to support one faction or another in Riyadh. I hope they know a lot more about Riyadh factions than I do. The average Turkish cab driver probably knows more about the Saudis than I.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton May 08, 2018 4:39 PM  

If Israel wants to use the United States" armed forces as their "Gundam" suit or Mecha-Godzilla, are the US armed forces up to that?

A nuclear-armed Iran would frustrate Israeli ambition of being hegemon of the Near East.

Blogger Frank Brady May 08, 2018 4:40 PM  

Donald Trump, for whom I voted, promised an "America First" policy. Instead, he has given us an "Israel First" policy. There is absolutely no mystery about it.

Blogger Orthodox May 08, 2018 4:41 PM  

@13 Why would Iran want the money we owed them back as a "pallet of cash"?

The United States controls the world banking system and cuts off countries it doesn't like. They can't spend money through banks if there are sanctions. It's the same reason drug dealers use cash, and also why Russia started selling treasuries and China starting buying them through Belgian banks.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) May 08, 2018 4:42 PM  

Contra Buchanan

Blogger Don't Call Me Len May 08, 2018 4:52 PM  

Which was a dumb thing to do as it was just kicking the can down the road.

Can kicking has been official DC policy for at least the past 3 Presidents. Shifting all the burdens to the future is all Obama ever did (and really, is what the Fed is primarily for).

Blogger Brett baker May 08, 2018 4:52 PM  

@Frank Brady Trump also promised to pull out of the deal and move our embassy to Jerusalem. He promised to be a Zionist president. Unlike his predecessors, he wasn't lying.

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Blogger Theproductofafineeduction May 08, 2018 4:53 PM  

@37

Explain to us how handling almost a half a billion dollars in cash for a nuclear deal, that does nothing to stop ballistic development, has dubious enforcement ability, that at best merely delays development of nuclear weapons, that gave Iran exemptions to certain criteria of said deal, is putting America first?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 08, 2018 4:56 PM  

Israel has wanted the US to remove Assad from power, and even though Israel has the backing of the entire political establishment on this issue Trump hasn't taken the bait. It's clear that the missile strikes on Syria have been theater.

That doesn't square with the claim that Trump is essentially a Zionist puppet.

Blogger Ransom Smith May 08, 2018 5:02 PM  

A nuclear-armed Iran would frustrate Israeli ambition of being hegemon of the Near East
Utter crap .
Turkey is sitting on nukes we gave them.
Pakistan has nukes.
Let me know when they Nuke Israel .

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2018 5:03 PM  

Ledford Ledford wrote:It's quite possible Trump is acting to support one faction or another in Riyadh.
It's a more or less open secret that Trump supports the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in his efforts to extend and protect his position, and to fight the open corruption of the Saud family, and give him a free hand in Yemen. In return, bin Salman provides intel and logistics in Trump's fight against the Deep State.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len May 08, 2018 5:13 PM  

"A nuclear-armed Iran would frustrate Israeli ambition of being hegemon of the Near East."

If you're going to discuss "near East hegemony", pick the right players: Iran is the largest Shia state going, and SA is the leading Sunni state. This 1350 year plus conflict explains the dynamics of the situation quite nicely.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 08, 2018 5:13 PM  

Two or three of the reasons listed, Trump confused with Saudi Arabia.


Soon to be anounced, Israel to sign N-NPT at Dimona. /sarc

Anonymous Anonymous May 08, 2018 5:15 PM  

I wonder if Trump is looking for a decent deal with Iran and so breaks the present bad one so there is a fresh start for a decent deal for both sides.

He is a master at making deals.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 08, 2018 5:16 PM  

And if those sailors were deliberately in Iranian territorial waters?

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 08, 2018 5:18 PM  

Which God is being referenced?

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 08, 2018 5:21 PM  

Yep.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 08, 2018 5:22 PM  

And the Sunnis are the worst of them.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 08, 2018 5:22 PM  

Alexandros wrote:Well, for one, it discourages the US from more military adventurism in their backyard. That's a huge upside right there.

For another, its the opposite outcome that Israel is schilling for. I haven't been the greatest fan of their desires ever since their evidence careening us into gulf war 2 turned out to be nothing but a pack of lies.


There are no good guys in the Middle East. Shiites have an apocalyptic theology that makes nuclear war look smart, all mohammedans are our enemies and sworn to kill us. For now, Israel is a lesser evil.

Islam delenda est. Let's let Israel carry the brunt of that burden, but we need to make it happen.

Blogger pyrrhus May 08, 2018 5:26 PM  

@30 Yes, there is huge upside to a nuclear armed Iran, or at least one that has a plausible threat. It would keep Trump attacking Iran, which would destroy his Presidency.
There is only one (((country))) that seems to be worried about a nuclear Iran, though curiously it is not worried about Pakistan, which has more than 200 nukes.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 08, 2018 5:26 PM  

Funny thing: BBC reporting “fury” of foreign political class ... while the Iranians are saying “Let’s wait and see”

Blogger Bobo #117 May 08, 2018 5:26 PM  

Some of you concerned individuals must think Q is just for entertainment purposes only...

Blogger pyrrhus May 08, 2018 5:28 PM  

"Islam delenda est. Let's let Israel carry the brunt of that burden, but we need to make it happen."

Delusional statement. When has Israel carried the brunt of anything since Ike was in office?

Blogger Chris Mallory May 08, 2018 5:30 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:Turkey is sitting on nukes we gave them.

Pakistan has nukes.

Let me know when they Nuke Israel .


Turkey might control the roads into the airbase, but they do not control the nukes.

Pakistan isn't a Middle Eastern nation and is more worried about the Hindoos than the Israelis.

Blogger Chris Mallory May 08, 2018 5:33 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:all mohammedans are our enemies and sworn to kill us. For now, Israel is a lesser evil.



It wasn't the Muslims who worked to get the Immigration Act of 1965 passed. It wasn't the Muslims behind the "civil rights" movement. It isn't the Muslims championing abortion and gun control. It hasn't been the Muslims suing every time a small town puts up a manger or a football coach says a prayer.

The Muslims do not belong in the US, but dual citizens of Israel have done more harm to the US than the Muslims could ever dream about. When you say "This isn't the country I grew up in.", thank a dual citizen Israel.

Blogger Ransom Smith May 08, 2018 5:36 PM  

Turkey might control the roads into the airbase, but they do not control the nukes.

Pakistan isn't a Middle Eastern nation and is more worried about the Hindoos than the Israelis.


My point









Your head

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 08, 2018 5:43 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Ledford Ledford wrote:It's quite possible Trump is acting to support one faction or another in Riyadh.

It's a more or less open secret that Trump supports the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in his efforts to extend and protect his position, and to fight the open corruption of the Saud family, and give him a free hand in Yemen. In return, bin Salman provides intel and logistics in Trump's fight against the Deep State.


The war in Yemen is truly nasty. Trump could earn a lot of goodwill by ending it.

Maybe the Saudis have dirt on all kinds of people. The Kingdom would be a good place to go if you're a well-connected degenerate looking to party with princes.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 08, 2018 6:01 PM  

On our side we also have apocalyptic theology driven foreign policy. And Israel exploits it to the hilt.

Blogger Nate May 08, 2018 6:08 PM  

I think it's a great move and it's another campaign promise kept.

Blogger Daniel Bendele May 08, 2018 6:15 PM  

I doubt this is a prelude to war with Iran. I generally agree with Buchanan, but I think he's wrong on this one. There's no way this deal benefited the U.S. in any way.

My only qualm is that I think Trump should have delayed this decision and instead held a press conference to address the Schneiderman situation. This is just another instance where the Dems handed him a win and he overshadowed it with a foreign policy decision that his base is somewhat divided on.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia May 08, 2018 6:17 PM  

For those of you who have studied negotiations -- a subject with which the GE is highly acquainted and expert in -- there is a concept called the "post settlement settlement."

Such PSS's are common when a new authority -- such as new CEO, new owner, or a customer whose growth puts them in another class -- considers a current deal sub-optimal in some fashion.

The interesting thing about this deal is that it is multi-lateral, and just because the GE exists, the other Euros are still in it and likely the obligations of both parties survive our exit.

If as some think (and I don't) that the IAEA is still effective, then the good parts of the deal remain. But as the big dog on block, we have leverage to get to a post-settlement settlement.

Blogger NO GOOGLES May 08, 2018 6:18 PM  

JQ aside, it's madness to do nothing to allow a regime that is based on a religion where one can expurgate their sins by dying to kill Allah's enemies.

There's a reason that most terrorists in the West are actually terrible about following a lot of the more minor laws in Islam - the guilt they feel helps convince them to commit suicide attacks and/or they know their sins will be forgiven if they do.

Nuclear deterrence is a proven and working system but deterrence does not work against an enemy that does not fear destruction. It is still mostly Israel's issue but given that neocons have been bleating about how Iran is 6 months away from the bomb since the 80s it seems that sanctions have worked in the past.

A much better course than ignoring the problem or going to war.

Blogger NO GOOGLES May 08, 2018 6:20 PM  

"JQ aside, it's madness to do nothing to allow a regime that is based on a religion where one can expurgate their sins by dying to kill Allah's enemies."

I missed the last few words in that sentence. It should be:
"JQ aside, it's madness to do nothing to allow a regime that is based on a religion where one can expurgate their sins by dying to kill Allah's enemies to have nuclear weapons."

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2018 6:25 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:And if those sailors were deliberately in Iranian territorial waters?
Then Iran should fear to give offense. They should quake in their boots when an American ship enters their waters.

"Are the Americans looking for a confrontation? What game are they playing? How can we best handle this so we don't get killed?"

Not "HAHA Americans in our waters! Let's take their ship, humiliate their men and threaten their women! What an opportunity!"

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 08, 2018 6:33 PM  

Why?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2018 6:40 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:Why?
Because that's what safest for everybody. Particularly American sailors.

Anonymous Anonymous May 08, 2018 6:46 PM  

It's a novel experience for me to trust a President--in fact, it feels downright weird. I haven't done it since Reagan, and I trusted Reagan because he had integrity, not because he was terribly smart. So yes, I'm going to trust President Trump on this one. I'm going to trust that he's not shilling for Israel, that he thinks there's something that can be won here that is in the interests of the United States.

My guess? He thinks the Mullahs are weak, and that U.S. sanctions will bring them down. He knows the Iranians can have nukes if they want them, so what's really at stake is which government is going to be in charge of the nuclear armed Iran.

Will our sanctions be enough? Remember, last time around, we had Europe on board, but M&M (Macron and Merkel) are not going to back us--that's what their recent pilgrimages to Washington were about. The President seems to think we can do it alone. I eagerly await developments...

Blogger Billy May 08, 2018 6:50 PM  

OT, what do y’all think about Piers Morgan criticism of the MetGala’s catholic theme this year. He says if it was a Jewish or Muslim theme all he’ll would have broke lose. I see his POV but it didn’t bother me, maybe my think needs adjustment

Blogger DonReynolds May 08, 2018 6:54 PM  

I hear the announcement with much less anxiety than some. In short, there was not much to walk away from. The Iranians refused to sign the deal in the first place, so Obama signed it anyway, then the Iranians said they would keep the cash but would not abide by the restrictions, Obama said well....at least we have a deal and Kerry said they may change their mind later and abide anyway. All that "Death to America" stuff was just bilge for the radical Islamists (who also happen to be the government). Obama says it is better to have a one-sided deal to obligate future presidents.

Yeah, the Iran Nuke deal was only binding on Americans anyway and the Iranians laughed all the way to the bank, so trashing it was not that big a deal. The Iranians thought it was a joke....which it was, by the biggest Joker ever to occupy the Oval Office.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2018 6:59 PM  

Billy wrote:OT, what do y’all think about Piers Morgan criticism of ... (something or other)
There is no universe in which I can be made to care what Piers Morgan thinks.
"So I punched him (Piers) in the face. And it felt so good I punched him again. Then I broke a finger and, sadly, had to stop punching him." --Jeremy Clarkson

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 08, 2018 6:59 PM  

You are Ok foreign navies entering our waters uninvited?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2018 7:36 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:You are Ok foreign navies entering our waters uninvited?They should fear to do so. They should quake in their boots at the mere thought that the US might think they had strayed into our waters.
What part of this is hard for you?
Do you think equity is a factor in international relations?
Do you think fairness is a real thing?
Do you think if we treat them fairly, they'll treat us fairly?

"Let them hate, so long as they fear."

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 08, 2018 7:40 PM  

This deal was also supposed to be a treaty but Obama just did what he loved to do and bypass the Senate with pen and phone. So it was always illegitimate on its face.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 08, 2018 7:45 PM  

I want those smarter, less inbred Shi'ites to shit their pants every time Trump tweets.

They are our enemy, don't try to church it up. I don't want any of us to die in a war with them, but they need to fear us, and rightly so. No Muslim anywhere should have anything but abject terror at the sight of the red, white and blue.

Blogger tz May 08, 2018 7:50 PM  

Sorry for the OT, but I have to wonder if Hultgreen-Curie (-Earhart) might be responsible for the recent spate of military aircraft crashes, as more Hultgreens are assigned to do maintainence, even if they aren't in the pilot's seat.

I'm trying to remember the last time I saw IRL a female mechanic, and can theorize a few (including a mechanical engineer), but I never saw them even change their oil.

The opposiion to the insurrction and next civil war will be very entertaining. The women here will take out the soy boys 10:1 and do worse against army distaff. The men can do the cleanup and handle the rest.

Blogger Ian Stein May 08, 2018 8:10 PM  

Trump needs to undo every evil, traitorous thing the Obama/Clinton/Deep State confederacy inacted. John Kerry couldn't even negotiate a decent prenup.

Blogger Lazarus May 08, 2018 8:16 PM  

@78 This deal was also supposed to be a treaty but Obama just did what he loved to do and bypass the Senate with pen and phone. So it was always illegitimate on its face.


The Obama administration has disclosed to Congress that this summer's controversial nuclear arms agreement with Iran was never signed and is not legally binding, according to a new report this week.

The State Department made the disclosures in a letter to Kansas congressman Mike Pompeo, a Republican, who had written the department to inquire why the agreement as submitted to Congress in July did not bear the signature of Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.


That's from 2015. Let's make a deal. Pinkie swear.

Trump has violated the honor of a Pinkie Swear! Life is a Beach, We must Impeach!

Oh, I almost forgot. Trust Kansas.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 08, 2018 8:37 PM  

Being in a state of perpetual war is what you seek, then? It is not fairness but a miminun level of international respect for sovereignty.
Your attitude has been the norm for decades and we have reached the point inverse returns.
Join the IDF.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 08, 2018 8:40 PM  

Why is not that attitude with Sunnis and Wahabists? They are the main missionaries, terrorists and combatants.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2018 8:42 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:Being in a state of perpetual war is what you seek, then? It is not fairness but a miminun level of international respect for sovereignty.

Your attitude has been the norm for decades and we have reached the point inverse returns.

Join the IDF.

Fucking Libertarians.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 08, 2018 8:54 PM  

Are you joining the IDF or not?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 08, 2018 8:59 PM  

JaimeinTexas,

I want nothing to do with any Muslim. Do we have to talk to the Saudis and keep them under our umbrella? For the time being, yes. But keep in mind what is afoot. MBS will allow actual Christian churches to be built for the first time ever in Saudi Arabia! Something is happening, I can feel it.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 08, 2018 9:05 PM  

I am in wait and see with that regards. If it hapoens it will be indeed an important event. Until then it is Sunni and Wahabbism the main slaughterer of Christians in the world. How is the Church accomodated will also be important as well as to which churches. Allowing certain churches can be a PR tactic - look how we have opened up ... look at those disgusting idolaters.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2018 9:05 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:Are you joining the IDF or not?
In what world does "Keep a strong American Foreign Policy so that everybody in the world is safer" equal "join the IDF"
Except of course in the very very special world of your own damaged head? Are you literally retarded? Or is this some alt-Reich secret sauce?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2018 9:08 PM  

You see, Jamie, when you are dealing with Arabs, you have to keep the upper hand. If they do not fear you, they do not respect you. Then when a ship enters their waters, they feel free to seize it, and threaten and humiliate our sailors. If they fear us, they act with respect, not contempt.

There are alternatives between "Lackey for Israel" and "Abase ourselves before the Arabs the way Obama did."

Blogger pyrrhus May 08, 2018 9:09 PM  

"It's a novel experience for me to trust a President--in fact, it feels downright weird. I haven't done it since Reagan, and I trusted Reagan because he had integrity, not because he was terribly smart."

And then Reagan signed the Amnesty and the disastrous and unconstitutional 1986 Tax Act....

Blogger Frank Brady May 08, 2018 9:13 PM  

You are absolutely certifiable, Snidely. Your stupidity will be your undoing.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 08, 2018 9:16 PM  

Strong American foreign policy? No problem with. Euphemism with doing to others with impunity for the benefit of foreign governments is my problem.

Our foreign policy towards Iran consists of ... we are still pissed that Operation Ajax was undone even after 25 years of Savak.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2018 9:20 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:Strong American foreign policy? No problem with. Euphemism with doing to others with impunity for the benefit of foreign governments is my problem.
I did not cite "for foreign governments" in any way. You brought that yourself.

Frank Brady wrote:You are absolutely certifiable, Snidely. Your stupidity will be your undoing.
Stop being a faggot, Frank.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 08, 2018 9:26 PM  

I guess I will spell my position with regards to leaving the deal with Iran - I do not oppse leaving the deal in of itself.
Like reading SCOTUS" decision, the devil is in the reasoning and footnotes.
My issue is with the reasons. He was better off simply saying it was in fulfilment of campaign promise.
To me, it is interesting that so many acuse Iran Mullahs of being irrational at the same time pushing actions expecting rational responses. And Iran has been rational in the responses.

Blogger Crew May 08, 2018 9:26 PM  

Further to Vox's statements about two election cycles ... Patrick Little, who the media are claiming is a White Supremacist and a really bad guy, is polling second to Feinstein this year.

http://www.renegadetribune.com/senate-candidate-patrick-little-second-to-feinstein-in-poll-banned-from-state-gop-convention-for-desecrating-the-israeli-flag/

He might not win in 2018 but could do so in 2020.

Blogger Ceasar May 08, 2018 9:31 PM  

The best thing about this is..just think of all the POS's that had their hand in the cookie jar with this Iran deal. Not just politicians but the businesses who threw substantial donations for the last administration to look the other way in their dealings with IRAN. Hell, I haven't even mentioned the EU countries like France and Germany making money while ignoring Iran's nuclear ambitions.

Guess what? They are all f...ed. And if they even think about doing deals behind the scenes they know POTUS is just waiting to tee them up.

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 08, 2018 9:33 PM  

Well, I am open to hear explanations of these uSA's foreign policy in the ME.

Blogger Meimou May 08, 2018 9:48 PM  

NO GOOGLES
Nuclear deterrence is a proven and working system but deterrence does not work against an enemy that does not fear destruction.

Been hearing this forever. What reason do you have to believe that those who run Iran have no fear of death? If suicided muzzies controlled Iran why haven't they tried to destroy Israel yet?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 08, 2018 9:55 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:Delusional statement. When has Israel carried the brunt of anything since Ike was in office?

Aspirational, not delusional. We haven't forced the Israelis to carry the load, but we need to. They need us to, for their own sake. It's good for Israel and better for us.

Snidely Whiplash wrote:"Let them hate, so long as they fear."

This, and isolationism, should be our foreign policy in a nutshell.

Chris Mallory wrote:The Muslims do not belong in the US, but dual citizens of Israel have done more harm to the US than the Muslims could ever dream about. When you say "This isn't the country I grew up in.", thank a dual citizen Israel.

It's not da jooos in Israel, it's da jooos over here that are causing us trouble. They need to be politely encouraged to make next year in Jerusalem a reality.

The mohammedans are a danger to us, here and in the Middle East.

It's like the difference between garter snakes and rattle snakes. One is OK in its place, the other in never OK.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 08, 2018 10:05 PM  

Meimou wrote:If suicided muzzies controlled Iran why haven't they tried to destroy Israel yet?

All mohammedans are our enemies - it's a basic tenet of their Satanic cult.

Shiites are a subset of mohammedan who believe that they must bring on the end of the world themselves. The Shia are a particularly bad bunch to trust with nukes.

Perhaps the current crop of mullahs are worldly enough that they find it more comfortable to delay implementing the eschaton. How confident are you that a more devout imam will never gain power?

Blogger Lazarus May 08, 2018 10:10 PM  

@ 90

You see, Jamie, when you are dealing with Arabs, you have to keep the upper hand. If they do not fear you, they do not respect you. Then when a ship enters their waters, they feel free to seize it, and threaten and humiliate our sailors. If they fear us, they act with respect, not contempt.

Them wuz Persians, not Arabs, Snidely. Arabs think Persians are heretics. Given what we know now, the humiliation of the sailors was condoned by the administration of the time and the CIA.
Scumbags all.

Even so, you are correct about Arabs. They just need unconditional luv, I guess

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 08, 2018 10:13 PM  

Lazarus wrote:Them wuz Persians, not Arabs...

Them wuz mohammedans, and they all have to be dealt with firmly, and finally.

Lazarus wrote:Even so, you are correct about Arabs. They just need unconditional luv, I guess

Nuclear love, unconditional ground bursts. Luv'em to death.

Blogger Lazarus May 08, 2018 10:30 PM  

All you need is Luv

- Beatles

Blogger Were-Puppy May 08, 2018 10:56 PM  

@60 Chris Mallory

The Muslims do not belong in the US, but dual citizens of Israel have done more harm to the US than the Muslims could ever dream about.
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Both of them have been tag-teaming against the Western world for centuries. Both of them suck and have no place in the US.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 08, 2018 11:04 PM  

"The United States controls the world banking system and cuts off countries it doesn't like."

You've got that almost precisely backward. The world banking system has control over pretty much everyone... the US soon to be included, if it hasn't been for a hundred years already.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 08, 2018 11:07 PM  

"How confident are you that a more devout imam will never gain power?"

-100% confident. All it takes is one itchy bum to start chapping a bit.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 08, 2018 11:16 PM  

"Being in a state of perpetual war is what you seek, then?"

Oh come on, you're bending for a cucking. Stop it.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Even the word "meek" used to be understood as being trained with the sword, but able to keep it sheathed.

Blogger arende15 May 08, 2018 11:25 PM  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

Blogger Jack Amok May 08, 2018 11:38 PM  

...anything that the EU and Obama supported cannot have been a good thing...

Anybody unhappy that Trump pulled out of this non-deal needs to address Vox's observation there. Obama not only supported this deal, he implemented it illegally and unilaterally with no transparency or debate. FFS people, Trump should have killed it for that reason alone.

Blogger Meimou May 09, 2018 12:10 AM  

Ominous Cowherd
Perhaps the current crop of mullahs are worldly enough that they find it more comfortable to delay implementing the eschaton. How confident are you that a more devout imam will never gain power

A fair point. All the more reason why the US should have helped Iran become a free country.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 09, 2018 12:25 AM  

Meimou wrote:All the more reason why the US should have helped Iran become a free country.

As long as they are mohammedan, ``free country'' just means ``effective enemy.'' I realize that Persians aren't Arabs, but it seems likely the ``vote in a sharia dictatorship'' pattern would play out in a free Persia as it has in the Arab countries.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 09, 2018 1:09 AM  

Meimou wrote:A fair point. All the more reason why the US should have helped Iran become a free country.What on earth makes you think that they want to live in what you would call a free country?

Blogger Alexandros May 09, 2018 1:27 AM  

To the people in this thread banging war drums claiming every muslim is our enemy: ok cool, let's stop attacking countries protecting a Christian minority at least (in b4 dhimmi-tude)? I have family who would be doing the fighting for you and they'd much rather invade Israel than Iran kthx.

Blogger Jack Amok May 09, 2018 1:30 AM  

I'm astonished. Comments on this story at Instapundit are more in favor of Trump's action than those here at VP. An odd inversion has just taken place. I need another drink.

Blogger Alexandros May 09, 2018 1:48 AM  

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think anyone here is saying the Iran deal was a good deal or that they're aren't happy that Trump is keeping campaign promises...

What worries me is that Israel went on high alert & started bombing syria again almost as a reaction to this. Even worse, the anti-iran rhetoric is super charged again and frighteningly similar to what I remember from 2003's run up to gulf war 2, complete with 'slam dunk' Israeli-provided intelligence.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 09, 2018 3:45 AM  

@115 JQ stuff. A persistent fear on the right is that Trump is a puppet for the Israelis. I agree that Americans should be alert to the possibility that our political leaders are subject to undue foreign influence, but I see no evidence that Israel holds any improper influence over Trump. His support for moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, for example, can best be viewed through the lens of his nationalistic tendencies. He is aligned with national order and opposed to lawlessness.

Generally speaking this is good. It's exactly what we've needed since, really, the end of WW2 rather than the false promise that globalism would bring about universal peace by binding all nations together through interdependency imposed by trade regimes.

@116 Trump is a negotiator. He's well aware of the follies that led up to GW2 and has criticized them on many occasions. It's unlikely he'll repeat them. If Trump can gain some credibility with Iran by allowing Israel to overextend itself and then refusing to support them, I have every reason to believe he'll do just that. If anyone should be worried right now, it's Israeli war hawks.

Blogger Rory May 09, 2018 4:26 AM  

Mr God Emperor, please stop.

I cannot keep up with all this winning. I'm so tired.

Have you heard of the Siberian Sleep Experiment, Mr President. This is what you have done to me. I am so tired. So tired. I cannot sleep. I yearn for sleep, and yet I cannot... I'm awoken by yet more winning.

Let me... let me rest...

Blogger JaimeInTexas May 09, 2018 6:43 AM  

I did not vote for Trump to go to war in the ME by orders/actipns of Israel.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 09, 2018 7:00 AM  

The Mirror reporting that Irsnian politicians burned US flag in Iranian parliament while UK German and French politicians are defying US and trying to keep deal with Iran.

Interesting spectacle, eh?

Blogger Katusov May 09, 2018 7:35 AM  

Looks like Hezbollah got a cut of some of the "pallets of cash" from Obama. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/7/inside-the-ring-obama-era-cash-traced-to-iran-back/

Blogger English Tom May 09, 2018 7:48 AM  

The fact that Trump appears to have helped create conditions for peace on the Korean peninsula means that the US (Israel's bitch) can now focus solely on destroying Iran for our Jewish overlords.

Blogger English Tom May 09, 2018 7:53 AM  

An Israel first policy.

What did you expect? The (((Chameleons))) have owned the West for centuries. Did you think they would just relinquish that? The Pied Piper is more than a fairy tale.

Blogger English Tom May 09, 2018 7:56 AM  

Yes. Israel will always be willing to fight to the last goy.

Blogger English Tom May 09, 2018 8:15 AM  

Re: Iran's alleged irrationality. Jane's Intelligence Digest consistently maintained that the Islamic republic of Iran's foreign policy was absolutely based on pragmatic realism. The ZOG I believe has decided to bring it on with Iran and us goys better just shut up about and know our place and just bleed and die for (((them))).

Blogger English Tom May 09, 2018 8:19 AM  

The (((Bankers))) have controlled the US since 1913 and the creation of the federal reserve.

Blogger justthinkin May 09, 2018 8:56 AM  

Donald Trump said more than once on the campaign trail that he supports Israel as a valuable ally in the ME but would not be Israel's bitch. If anyone understands the dynamic, it is he. I'm confident he's got this.

Blogger Levendis May 09, 2018 11:32 AM  

Shia Islam has an entirely different eschatological framework than Sunni Islam. Nuclear armed Sunni states are not a proper comparison.

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