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Tuesday, June 12, 2018

A brief flicker of optimism

Of potentially great significance. The four points of agreement:
President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:

1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new US-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.

2. The United States and DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula

4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

Having acknowledged that the US-DPRK summit - the first in history - was an epochal event of great significance in overcoming decades of tensions and hostilities between the two countries and for the opening up of a new future, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un commit to implement the stipulations in the joint statement fully and expeditiously. The United States and the DPRK commit to hold follow-on negotiations, led by the US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and a relevant high-level DPRK official, at the earliest possible date, to implement the outcomes of the US-DPRK summit.
Donald Trump is clearly the greatest President the USA has had since Andrew Jackson. There is no longer any question. He merits all of the praise he will receive as a result of this diplomatic breakthrough and then some; the press will not give him the credit he is due. (Yes, I know, we still need him to Build the Wall and Drain the Swamp. But rest assured he's working on both. No one saw this coming either.)

And Kim Jong Un appears to be on the verge of becoming that historically remarkable figure worthy of lionization; the king who voluntarily lays down his crown for the good of his people. This is real George Washington "Father of His Country", Cincinnatus-style stuff. When you consider how hard it is for petty politicians to give up the little power and influence they hold, it's almost astonishing that a young dictator, born into unlimited power, is willing to voluntarily lay it aside. That is the act of a true statesman, even if he had the benefit of a little outside encouragement.

It's interesting to see how the God-Emperor treats Kim with both respect and warmth, almost like an uncle with a favored nephew, especially in light of his Twitter-taunting earlier this year. The man is a master of the psychological stick-and-carrot.

We haven't seen anything like this since the fall of the Berlin Wall. Even a cynical Gen Xer like me can't help but feel a brief flicker of optimism about the human condition. If the North Koreans can free themselves from the horrors of Juche, then surely Christendom can free itself from the evil chains of Neo-Babelism.

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111 Comments:

Blogger Shane Sullivan June 12, 2018 4:39 AM  

I thought Polk was pretty impressive for his one term.

I wonder if there'll come a day when Kim or his successors lay down their family's godhead as well.

Blogger Jew613 June 12, 2018 5:30 AM  

Trump & Kim sign historic documents Here's the video of the signing of the documents. Maybe this is the beginning of something very good.

Blogger Rocklea Marina June 12, 2018 5:34 AM  

After watching the media response, apparently denuclearization, has a strange, indefinable meaning. I expect after Trump frees Tibet, people will keep their bumper stickers.

Blogger Shimshon June 12, 2018 5:44 AM  

Trumpslide 2024.

Blogger Thad tuiol June 12, 2018 5:48 AM  

As someone living in Northeast Asia with family and property i.e. @"skin in the game" who was up until a few months ago seriously thinking of fleeing to avoid nuclear destruction, I pray to God that this normalization process will reconcile the U.S and N.K. and help reduce tensions in this part of the world. Trump, you beauty!

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia June 12, 2018 5:48 AM  

On top of this great develoopment, we have the delicious schadenfreud oat the complete cognitive dissonance that is going to befall the shitlib, libtard, cuckservative crowds.

By the way, this opening document is a classic negotiating technique. Define the ground rules and indisputable principles and non-negotiables first. Then all of the negotiated items are done in that context.

Now you can ask the counterparty, as you negotiate against these fundamentals, "What do you want? Why do you want it?" Then you trade off.

The devil, of course, is in the details. So we'll see. But it is absolutely the right start.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 12, 2018 5:48 AM  

But Dennis Rodman weeping on CNN while wearing a MAGA hat tho'. Oh, and he was wearing marijuana crypto-currency t-shirt.

Trumpslide 2020!

Blogger Phillip George June 12, 2018 5:51 AM  

hopefully Trump can now move onto another third world dictatorship that imprisons political dissidents; aka Great Britain.

Tommy Robinson; because it's too late to help Seth Rich

Blogger Sillon Bono June 12, 2018 6:00 AM  

Then surely Christendom can free itself from the evil chains of (((Neo-Babelism))).

We need to remove (((them))) from the media.

The normies will never react without the "relevant authorities***" telling them how they should think.

(((They))) use the culture as brainwashing.

***Relevant Authority = Someone you trust in a position of power that looks serious like the nice and serious man/whamen on the TV that will never lie to you.

Blogger Mark Stoval June 12, 2018 6:01 AM  

This is great news. My dad and my step-dad both fought in Korea. That was a long, long time ago. Now maybe we can get a peace treaty and end the war.

If honest, history will record this as one of the longest wars ever.

(Mankind vs. Satan would be the longest, no?)

Blogger Sillon Bono June 12, 2018 6:02 AM  

(((They))) Use the culture as societal anesthesia.

Blogger Robert What? June 12, 2018 6:07 AM  

Trump you magnificent bastard. I read your book!

Blogger Sillon Bono June 12, 2018 6:08 AM  

In The UK some media is labeling this as Two despots understanding each other.

I'm guessing they prefer the children in North Korea to keep dying of the common cold because they are starved.

I said it before Kim realized that he could feed his people and become a hero, or lose his Playstation.

What Trump did is as simply as to offer the Norks a decent exit showing some respect.

I'm not surprised it worked.

Blogger Wanderer June 12, 2018 6:10 AM  

KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia wrote:On top of this great develoopment, we have the delicious schadenfreud oat the complete cognitive dissonance that is going to befall the shitlib, libtard, cuckservative crowds.
If you followed the #TrumpKimSummit tag on twitter you would have seen libshits desperately grasping at whatever straws they could to spin this as negative.

Blogger Constantin June 12, 2018 6:10 AM  

I won't deny, during his presidency I've had moments of doubt against Donald Trump, moments where I almost regretted supporting him, and even considered denouncing him. Glad I listened to you and waited until events became more clear; now I don't have any regret against supporting him.

It's been a bumpy road and it's probably going to get bumpier from now on, but I finally have some faith in the future.

P.S. It's interesting to note how every time Trump does something that is bad(or at least perceived as bad), his critics and the so called "moderates" that are too "mature" to take a side are always trashing him, but whenever he does something genuinely great they are silent.

I always take note who they are, and never trust them again.

Blogger Garuna June 12, 2018 6:11 AM  

Pakistan next?

Foreign Secretary of Pakistan:
https://twitter.com/TehminaJanjuaPK/status/1006413814256955392

Blogger Garuna June 12, 2018 6:11 AM  

"Pakistan has recieved offer to de-nuclerize from the United States . And we are thinking about it with open mind. #TrumpKimSummit"

Blogger Wynn Lloyd June 12, 2018 6:16 AM  

An amazing man. What's even more amazing is that he was supposed to be the "Wild Card" that caused a nuclear war, according to so many Clinton supporters in 2016.
It's going to be nauseating seeing how they will rationalize this diplomatic coup. What's even more nauseating are the Alt-Retard guys who won't let the Syrian missile strike go, when it's clear it was a move to temporarily appease and then bypass the neocons.
Only a few places seen to understand President Trump. I don't pretend to understand but I sure as hell admire him.

Blogger Mark Stoval June 12, 2018 6:22 AM  

@18

"Only a few places seen to understand President Trump. I don't pretend to understand but I sure as hell admire him."

Vox Day has often advised to "give it time" and see what develops. That is good advice with Trump.

My understanding is that he is playing a very serious game and has to duck and dodge a lot. He is winning, but he is not a dictator and must play the game with high skill. After all, he has the media, the Dems, many Republicans, the deep state, and more allied against him. Damn formidable enemies.

Blogger Garuna June 12, 2018 6:23 AM  

What's even more nauseating are the Alt-Retard guys who won't let the Syrian missile strike go

The alt-retards are weak, intellectually dishonest people. They'll never admit they were wrong, they will only double down forever. I saw Richard Spencer's wife tweeting that Trump had nothing to do with this Korean success. They are clearly arguing in bad faith and we should take their opinions lightly.

Blogger Ken Prescott June 12, 2018 6:28 AM  

1. The Center for Strategic and International Studies crapping their pants over the prospect of an actual end to the Cold War: priceless.

2. Vulcan Diplomatic Proverb: "Only the God-Emperor Trump could meet with Kim Jong-Un."

Blogger Garuna June 12, 2018 6:35 AM  

It's interesting to note how every time Trump does something that is bad(or at least perceived as bad), his critics and the so called "moderates" that are too "mature" to take a side are always trashing him, but whenever he does something genuinely great they are silent.

"""Moderates""" AKA "Massa please don't whip me. I disagree on this one thing but I'm still a good boy."

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 12, 2018 6:48 AM  

Here is an interesting point made by Sundance from CTH:

"Don't forget, Kim Jong-un knows a great deal about Iran's nuclear program.

#TrumpKimSummit Things the Obama Administration would prefer the world [and EU] didn't know about."

Blogger Looking Glass June 12, 2018 7:02 AM  

I can honestly say that it never crossed my mind that voting for Trump would end the Korean War.

It's also kind of hilarious that Trump is getting along better with NK's Dictator than the UK or German leaders. Probably something to do with only 1 of the 3 didn't use intelligence resources to try to prevent Trump's election.

At some level, this is also part of Drain the Swamp. There's some really, really interesting questions about where NK got a lot of their missile tech.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len June 12, 2018 7:05 AM  

Even a cynical Gen Xer like me can't help but feel a brief flicker of optimism about the human condition.

When have we ever seen two powerful politicians who actually had vision? Most of our previous "cynicism" was simply recognizing the selfish cynicism of others, especially in our putative "leaders.

Blogger Harambe June 12, 2018 7:07 AM  

This is probably the first president in history to ever exceed the expectations of his supporters.

Blogger Ken Prescott June 12, 2018 7:08 AM  

Extending my remarks above:

An end to the Korean War--an actual peace treaty between the two Koreas--would be the real end of the Cold War.

The Korean War wasn't the start, but it was the event that "froze" the Cold War in place so that it would outlive Stalin. Even in the heady days of 1989-91, US forces in the Far East were at full alert in case Kim Il-Sung decided to shout, "Y'all hold muh kimchee AND WATCH THIS!" And they've been that way ever since.

Ending the Korean War would finally close out the books on the Cold War.

Blogger Michael Maier June 12, 2018 7:18 AM  

OT again:

Vox: Wasn't there a comic-related Darkstream live last night? Why is it not on the list of videos available on your channel? I left the live cuz I came in partway but curious to know what it was about.

Blogger VD June 12, 2018 7:19 AM  

Because I deleted it.

Blogger RC June 12, 2018 7:20 AM  

Few men change history. So it is with Donald J. Trump. This is beautiful to behold.

Blogger Looking Glass June 12, 2018 7:23 AM  

https://twitter.com/DontBeSnsiitive/status/1006378562960674817

"Tfw Rodman has done more for America than @benshapiro but he’ll still think higher of himself from his booster chair"

I laughed, and it seems appropriate for VP.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 12, 2018 7:30 AM  

Kim Jong Un appears to be on the verge of becoming that historically remarkable figure worthy of lionization; the king who voluntarily lays down his crown for the good of his people.

Perhaps I am too cynical but somewhere inside I am certain that Kim family knew that the course they were on would end with them being dragged from their beds screaming in the middle of the night.

That is how it works now. There's no Swiss chalet for retired dictators. There is only a pockmarked wall.

Blogger Rory June 12, 2018 7:35 AM  

lol, reading the coverage is so funny.

"Dealmaker Trump cancels South Korea war games -- and gets NOTHING in return" - Vice

Q___Q man, korea just KILLED america on this deal, just SLAUGHTERED them

When will they learn?

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume June 12, 2018 7:37 AM  

The photo of them shaking hands is interesting; Kim looks like a child, fearful and respectful of an adult with authority over him. My guess, Kim is feeling some of the way he used to feel when his father was alive.

Also, not sure if its already been said but Trump's methods allows Kim to come to the table and save face. Saving face is all important to Asians.

Blogger Watchu talkin bout Willis June 12, 2018 7:40 AM  

In light of this achievement and Rodman's admission that Obama did NOTHING on this front when given the opportunity, the Nobel Committee should revoke 44's Peace Prize and present it to 45. And issue an apology. Of course, this will never happen.

Blogger Glenn Phillips June 12, 2018 7:42 AM  

@26 To sort of quote Winston Wolf "Let's get that wall built before we start jerking each other off"

Blogger Desdichado June 12, 2018 7:43 AM  

Perhaps I am too cynical but somewhere inside I am certain that Kim family knew that the course they were on would end with them being dragged from their beds screaming in the middle of the night.

That is how it works now. There's no Swiss chalet for retired dictators. There is only a pockmarked wall.


I have a cynical view of Li'l Kim too—I think he's looking for a graceful exit from the headache of being a tinpot dictator and constantly having the sword of Damocles hanging over his head. This *IS* the Ferdinand Marcos retirement plan for him, and I think he's glad to snatch it up while the opportunity is hot.

Blogger Glenn Phillips June 12, 2018 7:45 AM  

@37 And the kick in the arse is Obama could have given it to him.

Blogger Harambe June 12, 2018 7:57 AM  

Glenn Phillips wrote:@26 To sort of quote Winston Wolf "Let's get that wall built before we start jerking each other off"

Relax brah. I said exceed expectations, not best ever.

Blogger Looking Glass June 12, 2018 7:58 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Kim Jong Un appears to be on the verge of becoming that historically remarkable figure worthy of lionization; the king who voluntarily lays down his crown for the good of his people.

Perhaps I am too cynical but somewhere inside I am certain that Kim family knew that the course they were on would end with them being dragged from their beds screaming in the middle of the night.

That is how it works now. There's no Swiss chalet for retired dictators. There is only a pockmarked wall.


I think you're actually not cynical enough. This type of deal has been the logical direction NK should have taken since 1994. Why didn't they? Who would have prevented it? NK never needed nukes. They could have gotten the full Gaddafi treatment after he normalized matters in the 90s.

What changed? Trump would take the call, but Obama wouldn't. Dennis Rodman said as much. Cambodia is still a communist hellhole, but they never had any reason to look for nukes. There's clearly several layers behind all of this that has been intentionally hidden from everyone.

In other foreign policy disasters that Trump is fixing news, anyone else noticed how much the Trump Administration is opening up Vietnam? Trump is out to crush the legacies of every President from WW2 on.

Blogger AnvilTiger June 12, 2018 8:08 AM  

I think that Kim fired his top 3 generals and replaced them right before he left for the summit is an interesting factor. For one, he was forestalling any coup attempt that might occur while he was in Singapore. For another, it sent a message to the NK military (the KPA).

Blogger Man of The West June 12, 2018 8:09 AM  

Better than Coolidge if he builds that wall.

Blogger CarpeOro June 12, 2018 8:09 AM  

There won't be a peep about this at my current job (I'm the only one that supported Trump I'm pretty sure).
This took a gravitas that we haven't had in a president for a long time. As a matter of fact, the last "wild card" or "cowboy" had some of it also. So far Trump has exceeded expectations, even more than Reagan.

Blogger Johnny June 12, 2018 8:19 AM  

Given Kim's body language generally, I doubt Kim is as powerful as one might expect in the north. He doesn't act like an absolute dictator. Most likely an insecure throne.

And they don't always end up with their head at the end of a pike. Lots of exceptions.

This is a victory for Trump already, but lets not do the victory dance until things settle out. No deal yet.

Blogger Nate June 12, 2018 8:20 AM  

The fact that the meeting happened at all makes Trump the most deserving human of the Nobel Peace Prize since Reagan. The fact that they actually produced a strong document..

its awesome.

I still think it is all going to be a rocky road for the next several years. But I really do believe we will see the end of the DMZ in our lifetime.

Blogger het1 June 12, 2018 8:26 AM  

Now no dog (or special counsel Muller) will ‎yelp.

Blogger tz June 12, 2018 8:32 AM  

He will pass Jackson when there is a downturn and he doesn't bail out the Bangsters, but bails out main street instead.

But note what Trump is offering Kim v.s. everyone else. Clinton offered payola in the form of fuel which Bush cut off after adding him to the Axis of Evil. Bolton keeps talking the old way - the evil tinpot dictator. Kim is already emperor of his hermit kingdom, but he now can basically earn the Nobel Peace Prize (they probably won't give it though) and go down in history as Korea's George Washington and retire into something like Japan's emperor's shrine while his country joins the 21st century.

Blogger CarpeOro June 12, 2018 8:39 AM  

May be a time to invest in SK construction companies. Lot of infrastructure required to bring the North into the modern age.

Blogger insight June 12, 2018 8:46 AM  

"Ending the Korean War would finally close out the books on the Cold War."

Yep and the swamp got most of its power because of the cold war.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len June 12, 2018 8:46 AM  

The Littlest Chickenhawk is absolutely wetting himself over Trump talking to the "closest thing we have to Hitler".

Blogger Looking Glass June 12, 2018 8:53 AM  

@48 CarpeOro

It's very tempting. Also, mineral extraction. There's a lot of coal and other goodies in those NW mountains in NK.

@47 tz

I think King of Thailand is probably the more direct comparison. It's going to be a decades long transition to some sort of messy semi-representative rule. That's Kim's exit path out of this. A bit like South Korea.

Blogger Dire Badger June 12, 2018 9:07 AM  

Watchu talkin bout Willis wrote:In light of this achievement and Rodman's admission that Obama did NOTHING on this front when given the opportunity, the Nobel Committee should revoke 44's Peace Prize and present it to 45. And issue an apology. Of course, this will never happen.

One of the Truly stunning things is that Jimmy Carter, that Icon of liberal Democrats, is publicly calling for giving Trump a "Truly deserved Nobel Peace Prize" assuming that the Norks nuclear disarm.

Blogger Nate June 12, 2018 9:13 AM  

the peace prize is already deserved. if the Norks actually do denuke.. the man will go down as the greatest foreign policy president ever.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 12, 2018 9:14 AM  

Thomas Wictor has a good thread on this. He begins with this:

"Let's force @benshapiro to face reality.
His voice-of-reason shtick is extremely tiresome, especially given the magnitude of what's happening."

https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/1006418919198842880

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir June 12, 2018 9:19 AM  

"This is real George Washington "Father of His Country", Cincinnatus-style stuff."

The real history of Washington's reign is fascinating stuff. Folks should apprise themselves of what's available on the net regarding Washington and the other "Founding Fathers."

https://voicesofliberty.com/2016/02/17/george-washington-and-the-whiskey-rebellion/

Blogger seeingsights June 12, 2018 9:22 AM  

The Trump-North Korea talks is unexpected, even for Trump supporters.
It just occurred to me: Trump had something like that in mind during the Presidential campaign. He didn't talk about it then because the military industrial espionage complex wouldn't like it. That faction of the Deep State prefers conflict, not peace.
Also, the timing. These talks are happening after tax cuts were passed. Tax cuts are good for the economy, so that shored up for Trump support from one faction of the Deep State: corporate America.
People talk about Trump playing 4D chess. This is it.

Blogger James Dixon June 12, 2018 9:35 AM  

> Saving face is all important to Asians.

Bingo.

> This is a victory for Trump already, but lets not do the victory dance until things settle out. No deal yet.

Yeah. We've been here before, though never this far along. You never know when they may try to pull something. There is every reason to be hopeful though.

> It's going to be a decades long transition to some sort of messy semi-representative rule. That's Kim's exit path out of this.

He won't abandon power immediately, and if he actually oversees the development of North Korea he won't even need to, but he can prepare the way.

> Jimmy Carter ... is publicly calling for giving Trump a "Truly deserved Nobel Peace Prize" assuming that the Norks nuclear disarm.

Carter was never evil like the Democrats that followed him, merely incompetent. He was from the old school southern Democrat line.

Blogger Kat June 12, 2018 9:37 AM  

If you believe Q then Kim Jong Un wasn't really the power behind NK and has been essentially "freed" to pursue a sane policy for himself and his people. That would explain some of the body language and his willingness to essentially roll when given the chance. There was some hint that Jong Un was being personally protected from deep state actors as well.

This timeline gets more and more interesting.

Blogger Mocheirge June 12, 2018 9:40 AM  

For some reason, I felt like revisiting this twatter thread today: https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/830971055682502656

Blogger eyeslevel June 12, 2018 9:41 AM  

The only thing that would really help the people of North Korea would be getting rid of Communism. Communist regimes are the only ones in history that made life so miserable for their people they have to turn the whole country into a prison and shoot escapees. Let's see if they're still shooting escapees in 5 years.

Blogger DeeJay June 12, 2018 9:42 AM  

Yeah, there's been a kind of 1989-style momentum building since the Olympics; a cautious optimism definitely is in order. A lot really depends upon the mysterious internal politics of NK itself, and just how much power Kim actually wields over its military, even with his Ultimate Leader cult of personality in place; I'd hate to see a coup d'etat bring everything back to square one again. OTOH, we also saw that occur in the very last days of the USSR.

But as for Trump, this is history in the making, and he makes me proud to be an American. Even in his indifference towards a Nobel that everybody knows he deserves but won't get: "Peace is the prize."

Blogger pyrrhus June 12, 2018 10:02 AM  

And John Bolton left standing around as the prop Trump used for his own purposes...The G-E is a devious fellow!

Blogger ar10308 June 12, 2018 10:21 AM  

I bet we'll come to learn that our own government was very much involved in keeping the previous status quo. Mainly by blocking any of Kim's ways out that didn't involve wholesale capitulation to Deep State and Globalist banking interests.

Remember what they did to Libya and Syria? They were probably threatening Kim for decades so he was in many ways like a beaten, cornered dog.
Just observing his body language around Trump shows a sense of hesitant relief.

Blogger Desdichado June 12, 2018 10:36 AM  

As part of an unusual one-two punch, Netanyahu made an offer directly to the Iranian PEOPLE, not the government, to give them tools to recycle water, because they're in a major drought.

Blogger August June 12, 2018 10:37 AM  

I'm thinking about how ensuing events may change the strategic situation in the area with regard to China.

Blogger Crew June 12, 2018 10:45 AM  

Donald Trump on North Korea in 1999. He has been planning this for a long time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-1WE-ivtO4

Blogger Looking Glass June 12, 2018 10:51 AM  

August wrote:I'm thinking about how ensuing events may change the strategic situation in the area with regard to China.

My working assumption is that China agreed to give up a lot to not get completely crushed out of the US market. Trump praised China for taking advantage of the USA, while in China, because it was the properly decision on the Chinese part. The non-public read of those statements would be, "because I know this, I hold all of the leverage in whatever I want to force you to do". Trump has no desire to pull a "beggar thy neighbor" routine on a country, but he's also not opposed to it.

There's a reason the terms Normalization and Reciprocity have shown up in Trade discussions. Trump has laid out his end-state, and he's not opposed to using the brutal weight of economic access to the US Market to achieve it. This is why South Korea was apologetic when Trump hit them with steel/aluminum sanctions. You can also see Japanese PM Abe understanding the "new game" instantly, and getting in some good golf games for it.

Trump in Foreign Policy has actually been amazingly straight forward, but he's set his objectives as "fair playing field". And he's more than willing to use whatever leverage available to do it. Trump is offering a much better deal than the first hard Nationalist that ever takes control of the USA. Trump is their last, best hope for peace.

Blogger Crew June 12, 2018 10:59 AM  

Of course, the usual suspects were all claiming President Trump's actions would lead to Nuclear War with NK:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/12/donald-trump-north-korea-war-will-his-instability-lead-nuclear-war/

Blogger Crew June 12, 2018 11:22 AM  

And for Trump's next magic trick. The IG report will be released on his birthday!

I think Blogger doesn't like me because I keep getting errors trying to post!

Blogger kurt9 June 12, 2018 11:32 AM  

It all looks promising, and Trump has clearly gone further down the road than any of his predecessors. However, its still too early to say if this deal with North Korea will work out or not. More time will tell if it works or not.

Blogger Looking Glass June 12, 2018 11:32 AM  

https://twitter.com/ChannelNewsAsia/status/1006516120218578944

Gotta see the video. Trump showed it to Kim. They do these types of things with Professional Athlete free agency meetings. It's impressive.

Blogger Looking Glass June 12, 2018 11:33 AM  

@70 kurt9

Deals have already been made. They were made before Kim & Trump ever agreed to meet. The issue is whether promises are carried out. That's the hard part.

Blogger horsewithnonick June 12, 2018 11:37 AM  

And God, the media takes! My drawing ability is negligible, but if anyone more talented wants a (possibly terrible) idea for a cartoon, I'm imagining Trump trying to talk Kim off a ledge, with mushroom clouds far below, while little Ben Shapiro and the usual suspects stand on the sidelines shouting "Push him!" and "Jump!"

Blogger eyeslevel June 12, 2018 11:43 AM  

AMAZING how the press suddenly realizes there's gulags and human rights abuses in North Korea.

Blogger Looking Glass June 12, 2018 11:52 AM  

eyeslevel wrote:AMAZING how the press suddenly realizes there's gulags and human rights abuses in North Korea.

Much the way the media loved to forget the whole "throw gays off buildings" bit when ISIS were "freedom fighters".

Blogger kurt9 June 12, 2018 12:25 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:@70 kurt9

Deals have already been made. They were made before Kim & Trump ever agreed to meet. The issue is whether promises are carried out. That's the hard part.


I believe when the hard part starts getting done. In any case, Trump has come FAR further on this issue than any President since the end of the Cold War. Clinton, Bush, and Obama basically did fuck all with regards to North Korea and, yes, I consider Trump to be only the second president (Reagan is the other one) in my lifetime to merit the position and title.

Blogger Frank Gappa June 12, 2018 1:19 PM  

Not taking anything away from Trump but this is obviously all orchestrated by China and is probably a done deal. NK is a puppet regime for China on the Korean peninsula obviously. Rocket Man did not look confident on the world stage, taking selfies in Singapore and the goofy smiling. I think Trump's demands on China with trade and the tough talk pushed China to take action. I think Kim's age here is a factor too, there is probably some sympathy that he is young and doesn't deserve the head on a stick treatment. Plus Kim had a stint in Switzerland and in the West, its hard to put that genie back in the bottle once you've had a taste. I agree with another commenter, he took the first opportunity he could to get out of the Dictator situation he was in.

Blogger Brett baker June 12, 2018 1:32 PM  

I have this feeling we could see a US-DPRK mutual defense treaty.

Blogger Jacob June 12, 2018 1:33 PM  

I’m one to think that this will make north korea get closer to china. I heard lots of analysts talking about “muh human rights” on fox and honestly it would be the stupidest thing ever for kim to “open up to free markets and democracy” since that would ultimately end with him behind bars once word of the googlags got out.
This is probably one of the few times I disagree with vox but I really do think that kim would be an absolute idiot to “give up his crown”. Eventually NK will just be annexed by china instead.

Blogger Brett baker June 12, 2018 1:34 PM  

I have this feeling we could see a US-DPRK mutual defense treaty.

Blogger Sam June 12, 2018 1:39 PM  

I'm not sure why people think Kim stepping down would be a good outcome. Current South Korean TFR is 1.26; its population is expected to drop by a quarter by 2100. Meanwhile North Korea's TFR appears to be at about replacement.

Blogger Looking Glass June 12, 2018 1:59 PM  

@79 Jacob

There's a rather large, standing army on the Peninsula right now that'd be more than willing to keep China from annexing NK. Those industrious little Korean fellows will put up with absolutely nothing like an attempt by China to annex NK.

@76 kurt9

In the basic Hobbesian perspective of Foreign Policy, talk is really cheap. Agreements are just paper. What people do is all that matters. I've noticed it's a talking point from the Gamma set about what was "agreed" to. The papers only matter for optics/clarity purpose. It's what the leadership agrees to & can implement. Poland would like a word about Defense Agreements with the rest of Europe.

That's why I said the agreements were already done. Trump is an optics genius. He'd never met Kim without all of the major details hammered out. Between the agreement signed and the joint statement about the signing, the entire framework for everything going forward was agreed to a while ago. Likely in March. Everything else is just details, verification and other details.

The thing people miss, because you've been told to miss it constantly, is it make little sense for NK to have nukes. They don't need them for deterrent purposes, and all the do is make everything worse for NK. That's why I said Cataline wasn't cynical enough about this. This deal was clearly there to be done in the 90s. Why didn't it happen? There's clearly some puppetmasters that aren't happy about this, but they can do nothing about it.

Or, those puppetmaster are now all dead. We've already forgotten that Xi is "President for Life" of China. Ask yourself, how'd that happen?

Blogger Lovekraft June 12, 2018 2:12 PM  

Obama's Nobel Peace Prize is looking more and more, as James Woods put it recently, like a Cracker Jacks prize every day.

Blogger Latigo3 June 12, 2018 2:32 PM  

Too much winning!

Blogger Dire Badger June 12, 2018 2:56 PM  

I just don't get it...

Trump has done more to help the black man, improve the economy, and simultaneously increase both freedom AND security than any president in History.
He is singlehandedly stomping out the last remnants of the cold war, cleaning up the most oppressive regime on earth, and end one of the most dangerous nuclear rogue states.
He is directing the capture of tens of thousands of dangerous felons, blocking their re-entry into our country, and putting hundreds, if not thousands, of child rapists in prison.
He is making both America and the world vastly safer for everyone, including those purple-painted psychopathic ass pirates.

What the hell is WRONG with these nevertrumpers?

Blogger Looking Glass June 12, 2018 3:14 PM  

@85 Dire Badger

Identity. He isn't like them, they are brutally envious of him, and also lack the ability to understand him. He's killing their careers, as well.

They're paid, evil propaganda agents. Priests of Moloch, most of them.

Blogger Nostromo June 12, 2018 3:14 PM  

"Wouldn't it be great if the North Koreans, had just shouted "DIE HITLER" while shooting Trump in the back?"--Bill Krystol

Blogger Dire Badger June 12, 2018 3:24 PM  

I am betting that if anyone gets a Nobel for this, it will be Dennis Rodman.

Blogger Dire Badger June 12, 2018 3:25 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:@85 Dire Badger

Identity. He isn't like them, they are brutally envious of him, and also lack the ability to understand him. He's killing their careers, as well.

They're paid, evil propaganda agents. Priests of Moloch, most of them.


You are probably right. I am just disgusted at the great masses of morons who cannot see through it.

Blogger By My Greybeard! June 12, 2018 3:51 PM  

Well, following the Proggie Logic™, that would mean PDJT was talking to himself! *grin*

I think the thing I find most flabbergasting about Proggies is their ability to assign a “symbol of maximum evil”, at the drop-of-a-hat to anyone at anytime over anything.

I've watched self-proclaimed members of the Proggie/SJW contingent pin that label on people for an entire spectrum of reasons; ranging from walking-out in the middle of a haranguing diatribe up to President Trump... and in the President's case, the label's applied for just existing.

I keep thinking that there absolutely must be a subtext I'm missingn, the accusations are always, or almost always, ridiculous on their face, and no serious person, (...or person who desires to be taken seriously...) would leave himself so open to easy ridicule— so therefore, in the back of my mind, I keep thinking I must simply be missing the actual basis of the charge.

Watching this inner argument play-out early-on in the ascension of the SJW "culture", I see how it could convince people who are less inclined to scrutinize situations or are more harried than I to just go-along-to-get-along.

Still, it is disturbing to watch the Progressives go through the process.

– BmG

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 12, 2018 4:14 PM  

Nostromo wrote:"Wouldn't it be great if the North Koreans, had just shouted "DIE HITLER" while shooting Trump in the back?"--Bill Krystol
Shooting Trump in the back is Conservative's job. And like every other job, they're trying to outsource it to Asia.

By My Greybeard! wrote:I keep thinking that there absolutely must be a subtext I'm missingn, the accusations are always, or almost always, ridiculous on their face,
You youngsters have it so easy. When I was a kid, you had to kill a million, two million people, or a couple of Jews, to be Hitler. Nowadays, all you have to do to be Hitler is refuse to have sex with them.

Blogger tublecane June 12, 2018 4:16 PM  

Has some judge in Hawaii ruled Kim has to keep his nuclear program yet?

Blogger By My Greybeard! June 12, 2018 4:34 PM  

@Nostromo
Link, please!
I simply *have* to see that!

From BillK, I certainly can believe the sentiment, but even in my lowest opinion of him, (and that's *exceedingly* low), I can't visualize him speaking his “mind” so blatantly where he knows he'll be quoted.

Thx in advance!
–BmG

Blogger By My Greybeard! June 12, 2018 4:42 PM  

Thx, Snidely Whiplash!

One point, though: I'm zooming through my sixth decade, I don't even occasionally wish I was a youngster... I doubt I could survive a second run at it! *wink*

A great week to you & yours!
– BmG


Blogger tublecane June 12, 2018 4:58 PM  

@18- I want to say the left was finally the Boy Who Cried Wolf on that one. Because you can't paint Republicans from Goldwater on as as careless crazy people who might destroy us all based on nothing in particular forever. Eventually people catch on. And Clinton too obviously a threat to world peace herself.

However, remember Easter before last, when the MSM tried to convince us we were on the brink of dying in a nuclear holocaust? It actually worked, because I had non-crazy leftist relatives talking as if we were all doomed. Which of course we've forgotten by now, but which will be picked up again whenever Iran or some place else heats up.

Blogger tublecane June 12, 2018 5:31 PM  

@90- For a recent example of "anyone at anytime over anything," see their reaction to the Twitter CEO eating a chicken sandwich during Pervert Month .

Blogger steve brown June 12, 2018 5:35 PM  

Best comment goes to Vox. Donald Trump is clearly the greatest President the USA has had since Andrew Jackson...Thanks!

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel June 12, 2018 5:38 PM  

The anti-peace nuts have no sense of history.

The ONLY reason why North Korea exists is because the US told USSR to enter North Asia. It was US idea to cut the nation in half like a cake. FDR and Truman gave the upper half of Korea to Stalin. Stalin installed his puppet in the north, the US installed its puppet in the South. So, the division of Korea is the result of US policy.

And yet, so many in US deep state and media are acting like they are sooooo appalled by North Korea. But it was US policy that created NK by cutting Korea in half and handing northern part to Stalin.

Trump is doing the right thing by choosing diplomacy.

Now, I hope he can do the same with Iran. Surely if Trump can cut a deal with tyrant jerk in Kim, he can get along with Iranian leaders who are much finer men than fat boy Kim.

Blogger OneWingedShark June 12, 2018 6:25 PM  

Dire Badger wrote:I am betting that if anyone gets a Nobel for this, it will be Dennis Rodman.
Your thinking isn't twisted enough for the Nobel Peace Prize; it'll be Bill Richardson.

Blogger tublecane June 12, 2018 6:34 PM  

@63- "Remember what they did to Libya and Syria?"

Or Japan. WWII started for us because we cut off their options besides war and capitulation. They chose war, eventually we got capitulation.

The NWO doesn't want war with North Korea, but they would like to hang onto it as a repository of potential international tension, which they keep safe by isolating and controlling.

@98- Looking at who ended up with what, one could get the idea (along with the Birchers) that the goal of WWII was to extend the Soviet empire. We went to war ostensibly to free China and preserve/extend our East Asian empire. (And to stop the Nazis, Japan being the "backdoor to war." But nevermind that for now.) Yet somehow China and much, much more ended up going commie? Was that a mistake, a result of compromise, or on purpose? I don't know for certain.

One thing I do know is that once the Cold War got underway and the National Security State cemented itself in power, it was grateful to have "trip-wires" across the globe. That was the name of a book on U.S. foreign policy and Korea by one Doug Bandow. Anytime they wanted to set things off, there the tripwire was, waiting.

To use another metaphor, it also works like barbed wire. Should politicians be elected with a mind to pull back on empire, they'd find themselves tangled up. More difficult to pull troops out than station them there.

Blogger Paul M June 12, 2018 7:30 PM  

> "the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization"

'complete denuclearization' sounds great, until you get what 'work toward' means.

Having said that, it is unrealistic to expect Kim to give up the nukes. He saw what happened to Saddam.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 12, 2018 8:42 PM  

@52

"One of the Truly stunning things is that Jimmy Carter, that Icon of liberal Democrats, is publicly calling for giving Trump a "Truly deserved Nobel Peace Prize" assuming that the Norks nuclear disarm."

All those years in a little metal box under the sea turned Carter into something really rare... an honest leftist.

I say that, because being under the sea, he missed a lot of things which revealed how truly awful Communism is...and so his belief and promotion of leftism comes from naivete, rather than deceit.

For example, I doubt that in the years he was in subs, that he saw any footage of East Berliners being shot by East German guards for attempting to get into West Berlin by going over The Wall. Instead, he got a 1-sentance statement on the teletype in the burst-traffic that the East Germans had built a wall around West Berlin.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 12, 2018 8:47 PM  

@53

"the peace prize is already deserved. if the Norks actually do denuke.. the man will go down as the greatest foreign policy president ever."

The already are de-nuked. The whole facility and hundreds of NK's best nuke scientists/engineers all got destroyed in a cave-in which was supposedly due to "tired mountain syndrome".

So....suddenly....without warning ... Almost as if something ... explosive ... set it off...


Wouldn't be surprised if there were some (many?) Red Chinese nuke scientists/engineers among them.

The agreement that the Peninsula be de-nuclearized is merely an acknowledgement of fait accompli.

But putting it on paper as "an agreement" helps Kim save face. So he's into it.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 12, 2018 9:14 PM  

@85

"I just don't get it...

Trump has done more to help the black man, improve the economy, and simultaneously increase both freedom AND security than any president in History.
He is singlehandedly stomping out the last remnants of the cold war, cleaning up the most oppressive regime on earth, and end one of the most dangerous nuclear rogue states.
He is directing the capture of tens of thousands of dangerous felons, blocking their re-entry into our country, and putting hundreds, if not thousands, of child rapists in prison.
He is making both America and the world vastly safer for everyone, including those purple-painted psychopathic ass pirates.

What the hell is WRONG with these nevertrumpers?"

They don't like that he's taking away and destroying all of the toys you mentioned.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 12, 2018 9:20 PM  

@92

"Has some judge in Hawaii ruled Kim has to keep his nuclear program yet?"

Trump to Kim: Hey... Let's have some fun... we'll let you build and launch, one missile, with a real, live nuclear warhead on it. A small one, yes, just a few kilotons, but I'll let you turn the launch keys and everything. The only condition is, Ground Zero MUST be the Federal Court House in Hawaii. While it's in session. You tell me the date, and I'll arrange things with the Navy and Air Force to let it through.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 12, 2018 9:21 PM  

@93

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVVFARIR0Tc

Blogger Dirk Manly June 12, 2018 9:28 PM  

@101

>> "the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization"

>'complete denuclearization' sounds great, until you get what 'work toward' means.

It's already fait accompli. Remember the so-called "tired mountain syndrome" when the main facility under the mountain suddenly collapsed and 100's of NK's top Nuclear Scientist/Engineers (and I'm sure quite a few Chinese ones, too) were no longer available for employment?




>Having said that, it is unrealistic to expect Kim to give up the nukes. He saw what happened to Saddam.

It wasn't what happened to Saddam that put Kim's program into high gear ... it was what happened to Khaddaffi AFTER he agreed to disarm, and let in inspectors and told his people DO NOT INTERFERE, WE DON'T WANT TO END UP LIKE IRAQ, and then Hillary
ginned up a war and had him killed anyways.

What a c**t!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 13, 2018 1:18 AM  

"Complete denuclearization" requires the removal of US Air Force and Naval bases from S. Korea. Per long-standing policy, US forces will not confirm or deny the presence of nuclear devices on military bases, aircraft or ships, and will not allow inspections except under rare circumstances.

Blogger Jordan Christopher June 13, 2018 1:31 AM  

There should be a peace summit with Iran too - but does Trump want peace with Iran?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 13, 2018 2:07 AM  

Peace with Korea was more than we asked for.

Blogger James Dixon June 13, 2018 9:32 AM  

> "Complete denuclearization" requires the removal of US Air Force and Naval bases from S. Korea.

Yep. It's a process that will take a minimum of five years and more likely ten, but it will be a good thing if it happens.

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