Saturday, June 23, 2018

Darkstream: an Alt-Right response to Jordan Peterson

Now we're getting fancy, with videos within videos! I also take a series of questions at the end. From the transcript.

For Peterson to say that it is honorable and the least self-deceptive to simply accept the mass invasion of over 100 million people, to address the largest invasion in all of human history by being noble, and individual, and leading a meaningful life, is such obvious nonsense that it almost defies description.

You know I am getting very, very tired of people talking about Peterson as if he's some sort of sage, or prophet, or even a reasonably intelligent man. This guy is a nutcase, this guy is objectively stupid, this guy is an embarrassment to the very concept of an intellectual academic. I mean, imagine if he had given that advice to the people of Poland, imagine that he had given that advice to George Washington, or Cincinnatus, or Julius Caesar, or any other great man of history! Literally every one of any note in history rejected the concept of going down to noble individual defeat. Jesus Christ himself summoned 12 disciples, there is even the Buddha, who rejected,the world and saw it all as maya, illusion, even he had his closest and dearest companions who helped him with his life's work as he pursued his search for nirvana.

So what Peterson is saying is absolute and utter nonsense, and to sum up my response to him, I have a single quote from a man who understood identity politics much better than anyone, and that was this man, the founder of Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew. He masterfully managed a very difficult situation with a small civic polity that was surrounded and dominated by much larger, more powerful neighbors, and was in a difficult position with different competing religious and ethnic groups, and the way that he addressed identity politics was forthright, it was based on reality, and it was absolutely true.

He said, "in multiracial societies you don't vote in accordance with your economic interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion" and that is exactly what we have seen ever since non-Anglo immigrants began entering the United States of America. The Irish voted for what they believed was good for the Irish, the Jews voted for what was good for the Jews, the Catholics did exactly the same thing, and now we're seeing the Muslims do it. Obviously we've been seeing the blacks do it; all these different groups vote in accordance with their race and their religion, and that is not just a response to Jordan Peterson, that is a rebuke and that is a comprehensive rebuttal from a man, who, unlike Jordan
Peterson, actually knows and understands history.

Now I'm going to show you another video because this is going to demonstrate the fact that Jordan Peterson is, intellectually speaking, a joke. The guy is not that intelligent, the guy is totally unable to even deal with a very easy question when it's presented to him by a comedian. This guy is such a joke that he is not even able to deal with a very, very simple question or to stand up and support the rights of free association even though he claims to value the individual.

UPDATE: Sweet Saint Jung, but Peterson fans are remarkably stupid.
I stopped watching Vox for several months due to his constant attacks on Peterson. Vox is correct that Peterson acts like a cuck, but what he doesn't realise is that Peterson uses philosophy and psychology better than anyone to liberate both left and right brainwashed sheep, and as a result stays above politics.
The amazing thing is that these unmitigated morons publicly assert that Peterson is "above politics" while he is literally working for the United Nations and relentlessly pushing its globalist line. One Peterson defender claims Peterson isn't a philosopher and shouldn't be judged by philosophical standards while the next claims he uses philosophy "better than anyone". They are almost as incoherent as their crazy christ-figure himself.

At this point, I consider Marxists, vegans, and gamma nerds to be less delusional than Peterson fans. No wonder they consider being told to clean their rooms to be an earth-shattering new philosophical concept. One hopes that in his next 12 Rules he can tell them to shower more than once every three weeks. Peterson's ground-breaking advice, such as it is, doesn't even rise to the level of Flavor Flav's back in the early 90s.

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Blogger Rickaby007 June 23, 2018 7:10 AM  

His hyper-pleb commentariat are going strong in the comments again. He has the dumbest fan base ever, I believe.

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Blogger Johnny June 23, 2018 7:28 AM  

If you are going to say that Peterson is an embarrassment to the concept of an intellectual academic, then currently the average intellectual academic is an embarrassment to the concept of an intellectual academic. It is not so much that they are stupid as not disinterested. They push doctrines that are self serving to their own interests, or class interests if one wishes to put it that way. Plus they have come to believe their own lies, thus doubling down on the problem. Peterson is just a more waked out, more socially active version of the class.

Blogger Pierre Truc June 23, 2018 8:03 AM  

Breaking news: Jordan Peterson concedes that Vox was right about him -- fans' reaction a good impersonation of 'run around like headless chicken'.

Well, okay, JP did not use these exact words, but by modern press standards, I believe my reporting standards are 'close enough', here's the actual twit:

Jordan Peterson Outrages Fans With Chart Showing Immigrants Use Less Welfare.

Now, you may ask 'who cares?' when a more relevant question would rather be 'do immigrants contribute enough to welfare to make the system sustainable?' also, of course, a little bit more info would be welcome, along with proof that those who made the study aren't libtard ideologues with an agenda.

I don't believe JP ignores this, therefore him posting this is blatant propaganda.

Blogger Howard Stone June 23, 2018 8:10 AM  

Peterson has a man crush on Joe Rohan, just saying.

Blogger Bogey June 23, 2018 8:21 AM  

On the Bill Maher Show, Peterson didn't even have a good answer when Alex Wagner challenged him.

Blogger tublecane June 23, 2018 8:29 AM  

That transcendence of ideology bunk is in Peterson, at least. Not to say he actually believes it, but he talks about it. Remember the dream he had where he's flying high above a bunch of pyramids with people fighting, or whatever? I forget the details.

Also he's a Nietzschean, and they're all teenagers who just learned the world is corrupt, man. Obsessed with transvaluating values and going beyond things.

If you only read that stuff, you could be forgiven for not realizing he is in fact interested in everyday politics. But this guy was aware of your attacks., and whether or not he happened to hear about the U.N., he was tipped off.

Blogger McChuck June 23, 2018 8:32 AM  

@4 Pierre - Of course the immigrants use less welfare. It's well known that Mexicans are more likely to work, and generally do better work, than blacks.

The problem here is that the 30 million illegals don't pay any taxes, either. Or carry any insurance. Or stop robbing, raping, and murdering people once they cross the magic line on the map.

Blogger ar10308 June 23, 2018 8:48 AM  

I saw Jordan Peterson speak last weekend. I had bought the tix before Vox had started his takedown of the man, so figured I would attend anyway to see how he held up in person.

His talk was rambling and had very little structure. He only took 2 questions at the end. The 1st was an easy yes/no question. The 2nd was about the Patriarchy and Feminism. Which took him 25minutes to answer (the remainder of his time).

During his talk, he brought his Self-Authoring program and how he had done some test-runs of it in a Dutch school or university. He talked about the performance of the Dutch men/women and then the performance of the Minority men/women and how his program helped the Minority men the most. And everybody clapped.

There were a surprising number of Boomer-aged people there. I wouldn't have him to really appeal to them, but they were very happy to see him and made up probably 25-30% of the audience.

Blogger OGRE June 23, 2018 8:52 AM  

@8 McChuck

Along those lines, there was an article at Reason yesterday that references a study purporting to show that "Migrants and asylum seekers provide big net benefits to their host countries."

and the study itself:

Apparently, if you tweak your methodology enough, you too can publish a paper proving that importing hordes of uneducated, unskilled, and penniless migrants can dramatically reduce unemployment and boost individual incomes.

Blogger het1 June 23, 2018 9:01 AM  

> all these different groups vote in accordance with their race and their religion

Meanwhile in the recent case (Mexican border) ALL color groups have united against Trump and whites.

A key word in the "immigrant problem" is "welfare", second word is "welfare from the state".
If in this country there would no welfare programs for immigrants, then there would be no "immigrant problem".
"Wall" is good decision but it will solve just a part of a problem. "final decision" is to eliminate all loopholes for receiving unearned money. Immigrants did not build or defend this country, so all their claims to receive "welfare" (or other privileges or rights) are ‎groundless.
The same is right about all countries.
And I wonder, why liberals do not understand such obvious truth.

Blogger tublecane June 23, 2018 9:03 AM  

@9- Peterson is a Boomer himself, so there's that. Younger people have less disposable income, more exciting things to do, and generally aren't big fans of lectures. I skipped an unseemly amount of them myself in my late teens and 20s.

Blogger Howard Stone June 23, 2018 9:04 AM  

Yeah I saw th Maher show too, basically Peterson was trying to tell those shills that they can catch more flys with honey. They didn’t get it, and he was frustrated.

Blogger tz June 23, 2018 9:04 AM  

Another problem with identity politics happens when Women change their identity - and it happened in Singapore as LKYew noted sending women to college created a birth dearth. Originally as wives and mothers, they would vote for things like prohibition. Now as career women they vote for abortion and free government stuff. So it is now also sex as well as race that splits things.

Another error on the Civil Rights act is that Jim Crow MANDATED separate but equal in public accomodations. It properly made the rule of law apply equally, but then one provision cast the pendulum the other way.

The federal judiciary was even worse and even Brown v. Board of Education ruined things for blacks

MG: Later in the interview, the issue comes up again. The interviewer asks Leola specifically, “You didn’t want your daughter to go to the White school because the White school was better than the Black school?” and Leola is adamant “Oh, no. That never came up. We were getting a quality education at Monroe.”

LM: We didn’t have any bone to pick with our school as far as education was concerned nor the teachers cause they were qualified and they did what they were supposed to do.

MG: For Leola and Oliver Brown, the lawsuit was a matter of principle. They didn’t think there was anything wrong with the quality of education at Monroe, the all-Black school, They just thought that the Topeka School Board shouldn’t be telling them where they could or couldn’t send Linda to school, particularly if the only reason the school board could come up with was the color of Linda’s skin.

Separate, but it was equal, and in context better.

(Original podcast link)

But then we got cross town busing that destroyed the cities. Blacks got a majority and the politicians and politics they wanted - voted for.

Metro Detroit was the "Silicon Valley" of its day having the tech for automobiles. Look at it now. Then realize what is happening to today's Silicon Valley as it is converged. Already, San Franshithole and Shitattle are dying, and beyond the shiny surface are already the dystopias you only saw in Sci-Fi.

Blogger Howard Stone June 23, 2018 9:05 AM  

Which is why Peterson loves Mighty Rohan, his show is theory in practice. Joe gets it.

Blogger tuberman June 23, 2018 9:06 AM  

I believe JP is aware of your themes Vox, and he's in the ignore phase. When will the ridicule phase begin? That's right his cult members have already taken that up, so phase three, or the attack phase will be in the works. Phase four will be his mental breakdown phase.

Time for JP memes! Lots.Of.Them.

Blogger Baseball Savant June 23, 2018 9:15 AM  

Why is this the greatest blog of all time? Because references to Flavor Flav can't be topped! Flav's in position, you can't play him out the pocket; he'll take the dopest beat you got and he'll rock it!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 23, 2018 9:18 AM  

At this moment what kind of surprises me is that the glorious people of color billions of them have nothing really to say about the obviously insane white elite from this clown Peterson to Kathy Griffith/Tom Arnold and other faces of the "resistance."

Blogger Pierre Truc June 23, 2018 9:26 AM  

Apparently, if you tweak your methodology enough, you too can publish a paper proving that importing hordes of uneducated, unskilled, and penniless migrants can dramatically reduce unemployment and boost individual incomes.

Well, the result of a computer simulation is only as good as the models are. Proper choice and validation of models is a non-negotiable requirement.

When models are created from solid theory and measurements done on real-world objects (like electronic devices, or physical materials), then we can be reasonably sure that they match reality, and if the simulation stays within the parameter space where the model is known to work, then computer simulations can be amazingly good.

This paper seems to be a good counter-example...

Blogger VD June 23, 2018 9:33 AM  

Peterson has a man crush on Joe Rohan, just saying.

The guy's name is ROGAN, FFS. Stop saying if you can't get it right.

Blogger seeingsights June 23, 2018 9:56 AM  

Hopefully what I post here is relevant to this thread, and also to Vox Day's recent post about Q and morale boosting:

Dr. Steve Turley seems to me to be an intellectual that the Alt Right, and the Right in general, should pay attention to. I enjoy his YouTube videos--they are morale boosting, and supportive of the nationalistic resurgence across the West.

Blogger Mark Stoval June 23, 2018 10:44 AM  

At this point, I consider Marxists, vegans, and gamma nerds to be less delusional than Peterson fans.

Now that was a good line!

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 23, 2018 11:03 AM  

Chasing after the welfare/immigrant question is a waste of time, and ignores the larger, more fundamental issue.

They change the culture, displace the native nation, etc. The degree to which they're economic leeches and criminals is important, but just the icing on the sh!t cake.

Even the "model minorites" have to go back.

Blogger Ledford Ledford June 23, 2018 11:15 AM  

I understand you have to do this, VD, so keep on keeping on, but I knew to ignore the man the moment I read he was a psychologist. There may be a few good ones, but the chances are so low why bother?

Psychology is mostly fraud, and has yet to surpass the medieval barbershop level of treatment effectiveness.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar June 23, 2018 11:51 AM  

I had never heard of Peterson before the famous interview and was impressed by the way that he handled the exchange. The average cuck would have folded like a cheap suit. VD raised my awareness about the man and I consider the possibility that he may be worse than a false prophet, but could be a 'wolf in sheep's clothing'. That made me sad, but I still appreciate the forewarning. I had been hoping that JP was a net positive- but am inclined to believe that making a deal for expedience would not be worth the long-term damage to Western Civ. VD has made me aware of the espousal of 'cultural nihilism' being carried by this messenger, and I am inclined to perceive it as a deadly threat to my culture in particular. "For what shall it profit a man..."(Mark 8:36). Thanks for the warning VD. Too bad JP is too great a threat to be included in the struggle. I should probably spend the weekend going through all of the available material for confirmation. After his fall from grace, perhaps there will be many of his followers able to realize the weakness of his arguments and embrace the natural order and reject NWO.
Humbly submitted.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( "an entirely disconnected spew of word vomit" ) June 23, 2018 12:35 PM  

20. VD June 23, 2018 9:33 AM
The guy's name is ROGAN, FFS. Stop saying if you can't get it right.

says the guy who tells people not to correct typos. *wink*

anywho, if there was a "Joe Rohan" i'd have to have a man crush on him too.

i mean, who wouldn't "ride with Rohan"?

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 23, 2018 3:25 PM  

That is a lie. Immigrants use way more welfare, with most families receiving at least 2-3 forms of welfare, some up to 10 separate forms of welfare.
I don't know who's massaging numbers here, but that is just an out and out lie.

Blogger Randy June 23, 2018 4:41 PM  


You mentioned Lee Kuan Yew & Singapore in your DarkStream. Do you think that this could provide a roadmap or framework for bringing the Norks into the mainstream without inciting a civil war?

A colleague and I were discussing this last week. We figure that if NorthKorea is going to be reformed without destroying Seoul & involving China, it will have to maintain the Kim family, and that all the reforms will have to be presented as coming from him.

Are there any examples of this happening before, or is it impossible?

We also thought that this kind of scenario could make an awesome game.

Blogger VD June 23, 2018 6:04 PM  

We figure that if NorthKorea is going to be reformed without destroying Seoul & involving China, it will have to maintain the Kim family, and that all the reforms will have to be presented as coming from him.

Agreed. What you're describing is similar to the transformation to constitutional monarchies in Europe and in Japan.

Blogger Jackie Chun June 23, 2018 11:16 PM  

Well really the question vegans need to consider is, what gives you the right to chop down trees and harvest vegetables and clear land for planting and building?

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown June 24, 2018 8:11 AM  

@17 Sage advice, that. However, Flavor Flav's magnum opus was "Can't Do Nuttin' For You Man". His philosophy was distilled at the very end of the song. Quoth the Flavor;

"You on welfare.
Yo' mamma got cold nipples.
There's a rip in your couch.
Wash yo' butt."

Unlike Peterson, Flav recognizes the ridiculousness and spends the next two minutes incapacitated with laughter.

Going forward, I propose all references to "clean your room" be replaced with "wash yo' butt" in deference to the superior intellect.

Blogger Solon June 24, 2018 8:27 AM  

Depends on how you look at the statistics.

One can say illegals use less welfare and have it be factually true, because they are less numerous than other groups.

This is of course a misleading argument, because the important part is left out: "proportionality."

Leftists HATE that word, proportional.

One can argue that Muslims in the US commit less terroristic acts than whites. It's true, but only because they're like 3% of the population. When you adjust for proportion, they commit terroristic acts at like 800% the rate of whites, it's outrageous.

Same story here. Statistics can be factually true and still be misleading.

Blogger James Jones June 25, 2018 1:28 PM  

The average MPAI doesn't understand the importance of culture. They understand the importance of being safe.

Blogger tz June 27, 2018 5:33 PM  

Meanwhile apparently Xi has read Yew
China college course teaches women traditional roles

That might go against the one child policy.

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