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Friday, June 01, 2018

Darkstream: why no one likes you



I probably should have called this Darkstream "how to be less disagreeable" or something, but regardless, it's something that unpopular people really need to listen, understand, and apply. So much behavioral unattractiveness is avoidable, it just requires a modicum of self-awareness and self-control.

A really big giveaway is trying to make a issue about the person rather than the issue. If you disagree with someone, do you have a tendency to focus on what the person said and what was wrong about that or do you immediately go to try to question the person's motivations, you immediately go to try to question the person's character, you try to discredit the person in the eyes of other people? Those are all gamma behavioural patterns.

There's a good comment here and this is exactly true. He says, "I notice that they tend to scan for trigger words that they respond emotionally to rather than processing the ideas and then responding to the ideas." People don't like this behavior. This is what this is what is so strange about these patterns is that no one likes this behavior. Men don't like it, women don't like it, absolutely no one likes to be around it, and no one likes to be subjected to it. And so, you know, if you find that you're not popular, if you find that people go out of their way to avoid being around you, if they kick you out of their groups online, you know, the chances are very good that your behavior is caught up in in this vicious spiral of negativity. Some of it is directed internally, but a lot of it gets directed at anybody who upsets you or makes you feel bad.

The problem is that other people know about this even if they even if they can't articulate exactly what your behavior is. They have seen it before in others and they have had bad experiences with others who exhibit those behavioral patterns....

The one thing that I would like to convince you if you are someone that is unpopular, disliked, etc, the one thing that I'd like to convince you more than anything is to understand that everyone sees through all of your little posturing. Okay? The snarky declarations of victory, the redefinitions of defeat and claiming that you actually really won, these are things that are not fooling anyone, you know?

Because, like I said, there aren't that many fundamental behavioral types and so when you're doing that kind of crap, then you're doing something that the other person has seen a hundred times before from other losers like you. So you know, you're not getting anything past them. Even if they don't call you out, even if they just roll their eyes and let it go, you shouldn't think you're getting away with anything and you're not fooling anyone, all right? The snarky comments, the posturing, the eye rolling, these are things that people notice and they remember.

UPDATE: Then again, this comment tends to indicate that many unpopular, disagreeable people prefer their negative behavioral patterns to popularity.

I often find that the people who self-identify as alpha and put everyone else down are actually narcissistic sociopaths attempting to justify their anti-social behavior and pretend they're a much higher status than they actually are. That you admit to looking to your wife for approval before you speak definitely takes you out of the alpha category.
- Jack Burton

I suggest Jack watch the video again. I'm literally talking to him and men like him. By the way, Big Trouble in Little China quotes are also a gamma tell.

In any event, I don't look to Spacebunny for approval. I look to her because she actually pays attention to the social mood of the gathering and the flow of the conversation, which I don't always do. This helps me avoid humiliating someone who really doesn't deserve it or responding to a harmless statement in a manner others are likely to deem awkward or inappropriate.

His audio is never good. His content is never good. His speaking ability is never good. Why does a self-proclaimed genius speak like he has brain damage? He's stupid, lying or both. Using your podcasts to attack others all the time = gamma of the lowest order.
- Jack Burton

I suggest you look in the mirror because you're literally talking about yourself and projecting your faults on others. You ARE the nerd, a huge nerd. You don't just know quotes, you create the quotes. You don't just visit fantasy worlds, you live in a fantasy world. You make your living writing third-rate fiction to appeal to the same nerds you seem to hate. Your complete lack of self-awareness and hypocrisy is astounding and just shows how deep your narcissism is. The idea that merely quoting a movie or book means you're gamma is the dumbest thing I've ever heard and is completely nonsensical. You're a nerd pretending you're better than other nerds. It's really pathetic. You're a liar and a fraud. I'm not making sarcastic sounds. I'm not indirectly taking shots. I'm telling you directly that you're full of shit. Something your wife, real or imagined, does a lot I'm sure. 
- Jack Burton

Who lies more, Peterson or "Vox Day?" Who lives in a fantasy world and sells his fantasies to others, Peterson or Vox? Who is a huge nerd but attacks and exploits other nerds? Vox is clearly much more dysfunctional, deceptive, parasitic and negative than Peterson.
- Jack Burton

It's amusing that the biggest gamma nerd of them all pretends he's alpha, LMAO. He's up to his castizo eyeballs in comics and pretends he's some kind of chad alpha. He's a short, doughy geek who couldn't defend himself to save his life. He even admitted he doesn't respond to people unless his wife gives him permission. Just stand there and hold her purse, you wimp.
- Jack Burton

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90 Comments:

Blogger Desdichado June 01, 2018 11:29 AM  

The only time it's ever appropriate to make an argument about the arguer is when they've already played their hand as an untrustworthy SJW or proto-SJW and it's the only thing that doesn't bounce off of their delusion bubble.

Blogger Edward June 01, 2018 11:31 AM  

So much behavioral unattractiveness is (un)avoidable?

Blogger Man of The West June 01, 2018 11:39 AM  

Jack Burton. The guy that tries to insult you in a meeting, but gets wrekt instead and files a complaint about you to HR. Then tries to laugh it off when you confront him after finding out you are now on the company’s record as having “a negative attitude”.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 01, 2018 11:40 AM  

Narcissistic sociopathy of varying degrees is a natural component of alpha dom.


I'm alpha, Jack Burton, and I look down on you. My social status is obviously justified, and I'm obviously better than you.

Blogger Some Guy June 01, 2018 11:41 AM  

Daily Dose of Gamma:

It's the black blood of the earth!

Oh, it's oil.

No, it's the black blood of the earth!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 01, 2018 11:42 AM  

Jack Burton replies: most oil isn't black any more. Aha!

Blogger Lovekraft June 01, 2018 11:54 AM  

I work around the whole range of personality types, so I've learned to develop a certain attitude which I am finding is similar to the Watchmen's Comedian.

Blogger DonReynolds June 01, 2018 12:00 PM  

One of the things I like the most is mealtime with extended family. It is terribly ordinary, predictable, and traditional. Nothing about it has changed in the sixty years that I can recall. Sure, there are some new faces and some of the old faces are gone. There are even some different foods and dishes that we did not used to have on the table. But by and large, everyone has their own plate, their own cup, their own utensils, and their own place at the table. They put on that plate what they want and nobody tries to eat off your plate or put anything on it (unless you are a child or unable to serve yourself).

How wonderful it would be if the larger society was like that....communities, states, and even nations. Everyone with his own plate and seated at his own place at the table. Everyone minding his own business (if he preferred) and joining in the conversation as he chose.

Instead, what we get are SJWs who insist on telling the others what to put on their plate, how to hold the fork, whether your bites are too big or too small, and no, it is not time for you to take a drink from the cup. It is not enough for them to have their own without taking a keen interest in everyone else's.

These are people who have not mastered their own lives and may not even practice what they preach or even follow their own expectations they insist on others. But there it is. The SJWs have decided to do the thinking for everyone else. After all, they know better than you do, what you need to do, even if it is not what they do. Because...shut up....you are not doing it right.

I will not miss the SJWs when they are banned from the table altogether, and that is really the only way to minimize their negative influences. They are not going to change their ways, maybe they cannot or do not know how. More likely, they do not see their negative interventions as negative at all. Call it "your self-improvement, that they direct"...."but they are not also expected to do". Now you know why they are a buzz-kill everywhere they go. They simply cannot allow non-conformity, because it is wrong and evil and must be punished.

Blogger SidVic June 01, 2018 12:01 PM  

"well past the age where i am concerned about attracting female attention"
I will genteelly call BS on that!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 01, 2018 12:04 PM  

I think the number one reason no one likes you is you run like a girl and you sit when you pee.

Blogger SidVic June 01, 2018 12:12 PM  

You know, you know, you know verbal tic....
have wife sit in on presentations and drop bolt in metal bucket when you say you know. Hang in there bubba... and congrats on the brilliant comic book campaign.

Blogger Darwinite June 01, 2018 12:17 PM  

"I notice that they tend to scan for trigger words that they respond emotionally to rather than processing the ideas and then responding to the ideas."

I think I’ve mentioned before that MPAI can also stand for “most people are illiterate”. 80% of people, across all western countries, are unable to correctly identify two items of information in a brief article (a football result, a product review, etc.) and logically extrapolate something from them. 65% can’t merely correctly identify two pieces of information. Only 15% can use the information given in a carpet ad, measure a room, and calculate a quote.

The way most people actually “read” is to scan a text for keywords which trigger recollections from their own mind. They’re not picking up the meaning of the text, let alone processing or responding.

If you can do those three things, you are at least 1SD above the mean.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 01, 2018 12:29 PM  

That whole bit about picking out one word then forming a new argument on that: outright feminine method. Every woman I argued with (before I decided to never bother to argue with one again) argued like that. It is of no surprise that the SJWs and non-men, a product of gynocracy, argue like that. Also on their template is "appeal to amenable authority " and "lawfare". This comprises a new form of bullying. Instead of the bigger kid taking your lunch money you have small weasel kids using an entire system against you and weaponization of "reputation management " to grief and dominate. This is how leftists operate. And the children of kids learn well. Just look what tends to happen in blue state public schools, often by kids from that one last group that it's still ok to hate and vilify in public.

Blogger Dave June 01, 2018 12:34 PM  

Did someone mention comic books? The mailman just dropped off at my front door the comic books I ordered Tuesday night from Castalia Books Direct. The priority shipping was well worth an extra dollar.

Blogger VD June 01, 2018 12:35 PM  

The mailman just dropped off at my front door the comic books I ordered Tuesday night from Castalia Books Direct.

That was fast. How does it look? I've heard rumors that the new printers are online.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 01, 2018 12:36 PM  

Sidvic,

Verbal tics drive me nuts. "I mean" is another one. Combine them for heightened aggravation.

Blogger Brick Hardslab June 01, 2018 12:49 PM  

But what about my special circumstances?

Blogger SidVic June 01, 2018 12:51 PM  

They are OK until you notice then- the are intolerable. "basically" is my biggest peeve. Nonetheless i like VD, he has refrained from standing and moving in an out of focus. Lighting need improvement. Wish he had better hair or more shapely head;)... but would like to see him on FOX to tell truth

Blogger RB June 01, 2018 12:52 PM  

When the ex sister-in-law was losing an argument to me, she would get angry and call me a bully in front of the ex wife. Conversation over. Nice tactic. I read a recent article about a baseball star who fathered two children with his long term mistress. They stated that currently in the U.S. 40% of children are born out of wedlock, and 23% (seems low to me) are raised by single mothers. I'm not optimistic when it comes to these behavioral traits changing. But I don't bother arguing with these types anymore - better to laugh and then ignore them.

Blogger horsewithnonick June 01, 2018 1:06 PM  

"A really big giveaway is trying to make a issue about the person rather than the issue. If you disagree with someone, do you have a tendency to focus on what the person said and what was wrong about that or do you immediately go to try to question the person's motivations, you immediately go to try to question the person's character, you try to discredit the person in the eyes of other people? Those are all gamma behavioural patterns."


"Jack Burton" attempts to refute this point (I think) by displaying exactly this behavior, ad nauseum, and without the slightest hint that he is aware of what he is doing.

Fantastic.

Blogger SirHamster June 01, 2018 1:08 PM  

@ Vox

> So much behavioral unattractiveness is unavoidable, it just requires a modicum of self-awareness and self-control.

Avoidable?

Blogger VD June 01, 2018 1:10 PM  

"Jack Burton" attempts to refute this point (I think) by displaying exactly this behavior, ad nauseum, and without the slightest hint that he is aware of what he is doing.

It is helpfully illustrative. Hence the point of the need for self-awareness as well as self-control.

Avoidable?

Yes.

Blogger Anno Ruse June 01, 2018 1:16 PM  

"If you disagree with someone, do you have a tendency to focus on what the person said and what was wrong about that or do you immediately go to try to question the person's motivations, you immediately go to try to question the person's character, you try to discredit the person in the eyes of other people?"

I'd love for you to explain how your attacks on Jordan Peterson don't fit this pattern. Quote your own posts and explain how you're not "attacking the man". Can't do it? Heh. Thought so.

Blogger Mark Stoval June 01, 2018 1:18 PM  

"He's a short, doughy geek who couldn't defend himself to save his life." ~~ "Jack Burton"

From what I have learned over the years about Mr. Day; that is the dumbest thing "Jack" ever wrote.

Blogger SB Wright June 01, 2018 1:24 PM  

Went back and looked at the YouTube comments to see what Vox's update was based on. Jack Burton accounted for 6 of the 53 comments at the time. I'll admit it: I am amused by his dedication to completely unself-aware gamma-rage spewing. At the same time, there is a tiny echo in the back of my brain which recognizes that I will soon find this guy tedious.

Blogger Bodo Staron June 01, 2018 1:24 PM  

Jack is right... but only on the Audio.

I can recommend a Blue Yeti or a Rode Podcaster.
I own the Yeti and I would suggest the Rode because
the Yeti is HUGE.

Both only need a USB connection and work very well.

Blogger Matthew June 01, 2018 1:36 PM  

Bodo Staron wrote:Jack is right... but only on the Audio.

I can recommend a Blue Yeti or a Rode Podcaster.

I own the Yeti and I would suggest the Rode because

the Yeti is HUGE.


Can y'all imagine Vox making ASMR videos?

Blogger RobertT June 01, 2018 1:37 PM  

‘A Man Without a Smiling Face Must Never Open a Shop’ Chinese Proverb.

Blogger BassmanCO June 01, 2018 1:40 PM  

"A donut without a hole is a danish." - Ty Webb

Blogger Damn Crackers June 01, 2018 1:45 PM  

Jack's responses are proof we're living in Vico's Age of Reflective Barbarism:

“such peoples [in the barbarism], like so many beasts, have fallen into the custom of each man thinking only of his own private interests and have reached the extreme delicacy, or better of pride, in which like wild animals they bristle and lash out at the slightest displeasure (NS 1106).” Vico, Scienza Nuova.

Blogger SirHamster June 01, 2018 1:59 PM  

Matthew wrote:
Can y'all imagine Vox making ASMR videos?


The whispers of the AWCA Dark Lord?

*SJWs always lie*
*no quarter*
*bring me their skulls*
*make the rubble bounce*
*drink their tears and feast on their fear*
*the God-Emprah demands it*

I like it ...

Blogger ZhukovG June 01, 2018 2:01 PM  

Hmmm, it appears that Gammas have an overwhelming compulsion to keep digging, even if neck deep in a hole.

Blogger NO GOOGLES June 01, 2018 2:03 PM  

One hallmark of gamma behavior that I have noticed is that no matter how banal an observation about it is a gamma will immediately reject it and lash out. There's never even a moment of consideration or reflection ("do I do behavior x?") it's just immediate attack.

I did have a bit of a chuckle when I saw Jack Burton prove without question that he is a gamma by exhibiting the EXACT behavior Vox just described not 2 paragraphs above. He went straight to attacking Vox as a person rather than talking about the idea, and though he presumed to know a lot about Vox he clearly doesn't know that Vox plays sports, is in good shape, and did a bit of combat sports in the past.

It's like whatever observation you can make about a gamma - if it is true, a gamma will come by shortly and exhibit it.

Blogger NO GOOGLES June 01, 2018 2:04 PM  

Side note: I agree about the Blue Yeti suggestion. Excellent microphone and very affordable, but it's huuuuuuge.

Blogger insight June 01, 2018 2:06 PM  

"Hmmm, it appears that Gammas have an overwhelming compulsion to keep digging, even if neck deep in a hole."

"Something your wife, real or imagined, does a lot I'm sure."

INGSOC minions also focus a lot on their targets wives just ask Melania.

Blogger Mark J.T. June 01, 2018 2:09 PM  

Off topic but the official tube of the establishment Financial Times has just anointed Jordan Peterson as the true voice of the dissident Right.

https://www.ft.com/content/7d2e6802-6040-11e8-ad91-e01af256df68

Blogger tuberman June 01, 2018 2:15 PM  

These Gammas never seem to notice when people are DOERS, that get real things done. Everything is a fantasy world of just talking big.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd June 01, 2018 2:15 PM  

Well damn. You don't even need to write anything in response.
He exposed his own self completely.

Blogger Dave June 01, 2018 2:19 PM  

That was fast. How does it look? I've heard rumors that the new printers are online.

Sorry just finished lunch, but yes, ordered late Tuesday night delivered before noon Friday.

AH#1 looks terrific to my untrained eye; there might quibbles over the art style but the colors are vivid and the print is crisp. All of the text is perfectly clear and legible.

The stiff cover felt odd for a second but now I wouldn't want anything else. Smudge proof, almost tear proof, even water beads up on it. Throw it in a backpack, drive around with it in the back of the car; it's not going to come apart.

Taking a quick look at QM#1 and Jeeves #1 &2, I don't see any obvious difference in print quality if they are different printers.

One thing I'll mention is I ordered 7 comic books. Both RDR and Chicago Typewriter had slight creases on the lower left corners where they were sort of jammed in the fold-up shipping container with the slightly smaller Jeeves, AH & QM books. It's not enough that I would quibble with it, but someone looking for a perfect condition book would probably not accept. I'll try and get some pics on the forum tonight.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 01, 2018 2:24 PM  

@16 Stg58/Animal Mother
Sidvic,

Verbal tics drive me nuts. "I mean" is another one. Combine them for heightened aggravation.
---

My favorites are the Eubonics versions

You don't gnomesayin, gnomesayin?
You the dawg man! I mean, you the man dawg!

Blogger VD June 01, 2018 2:31 PM  

AH#1 looks terrific to my untrained eye; there might quibbles over the art style but the colors are vivid and the print is crisp. All of the text is perfectly clear and legible.

Good, that was the X factor. The printer is the one thing we don't control. Well, that and how they ship things....

Blogger IAM Spartacus June 01, 2018 2:32 PM  

I'm missing a reference as the only "Jack Burton" in know is from Big Trouble in Little China.

Blogger IAM Spartacus June 01, 2018 2:45 PM  

Never mind, SB Wright cleared it up. Said he besmirch such a great name.

Blogger JACIII June 01, 2018 2:49 PM  

Man of The WestJune 01, 2018 11:39 AM
Jack Burton. The guy that tries to insult you in a meeting, but gets wrekt instead and files a complaint about you to HR. Then tries to laugh it off when you confront him after finding out you are now on the company’s record as having “a negative attitude"


We all know that guy.

Blogger Rick67 June 01, 2018 2:49 PM  

"Big Trouble in Little China quotes are also a gamma tell."

Oh yeah? Because I feel pretty invincible.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 01, 2018 2:54 PM  

Dang the comments are awesome. Love when the experts show up to set Vox straight. jj smithers' explanations make so much sense to me.

Blogger Lyon June 01, 2018 2:55 PM  

These miserable creatures are repulsed by strength and vitality, and yet envy it all the more for the lack of it in themselves.

Blogger Res Ipsa June 01, 2018 3:00 PM  

Vox,

Have you put any thought into how these behaviors fit into a Myers-Briggs personality matrix? For example: Are ISFPs more likely to be gamma? Are certain personality types more likely to mimic behavior seen in the culture?

I remember when sit-coms become popular in the 80's and people mimicked the behavior on them. The wit, sharp comments etc were popular and considered cool. What you are identifying as gamma behavior seems a lot like that, people acting the way they think cool people act. It seems like being rude, crass and pushy is the new norm in tv programing.

Nature vs nurture?

Blogger VD June 01, 2018 3:00 PM  

Have you put any thought into how these behaviors fit into a Myers-Briggs personality matrix?

Not even a little.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 01, 2018 3:01 PM  

Res Ipsa,

I've wondered about that as well. Great observation.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 01, 2018 3:17 PM  

"and you sit when you pee."

I think if it was even possible for anyone to know that, they'd dislike you more because it was possible for them to know than because you urinated that way...

"Verbal tics drive me nuts."

I don't care so much about tics as about misuses and abuses of words. This may or may not be because I have a handful of tics of my own suppressed under a regimen of self-awareness/paranoia.

"But what about my special circumstances?"

Do you still qualify as a smoked meat?

"A Man Without a Smiling Face Must Never Open a Shop’ Chinese Proverb."

Yeah, and that's probably part of why societal-difference crash-courses on Asian countries often include "may smile while stressed, irritated, or angry".

Blogger Ben Cohen June 01, 2018 3:17 PM  

I notice the most likeable people usually don't speak much and don't take life too seriously.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 01, 2018 3:32 PM  

In Psych 101 we learned that people most often attribute the actions of others to their character, while we most often attribute our own actions to our circumstances. I'm not a big fan of psychology but I thought this was a good pearl of wisdom. It's best to consider both perspectives, which can force us to be a bit more forgiving of others' failing and less forgiving of our own.

Blogger Al K. Annossow June 01, 2018 3:36 PM  

OK. So we have lots of people identifying and complaining about gammas. They are exactly the type to stop listening. But in case a one or more are still reading, here is a set of 4 short blogs to overcome the tendency toward a flawed way of relating:

https://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2015/02/graduating-gamma-1.html

https://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2015/02/graduating-gamma-2.html

https://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2015/02/graduating-gamma-3.html

https://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2015/03/graduating-gamma-4.html

Self awareness is probably the most important beginning trait, but the above blogs help build an alternate approach to life.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums June 01, 2018 3:58 PM  

@47

Isn't the Myers-Briggs just astrology?

It has no basis in science and was created by a bunch of women with no formal training in psychology or the scientific method. It has no predictive value because the results vary depending on the mood of the person taking the test. The only trait that remains consistent is whether someone's an introvert/extrovert though that's not saying anything.

Furthermore it says the rarest type is "INTJ/INTP" even though there's no formal data to back this up and contrary to the claim most people that take it end up scoring as an INTJ/INTP.

Why I say it's just astrology is because no personality type is bad. Much like a zodiac sign, each personality type is "good". Everyone after taking the test walks away being happy about themselves.

Blogger tuberman June 01, 2018 4:04 PM  

51. Ben Cohen

What is too serious??

Blogger Jail Cussox June 01, 2018 4:44 PM  

Hey VD, has Jack made any serious attempt at refuting your criticisms of Peterson? If he has, I'd love to see your response if it is anything worth addressing.

Blogger Brick Hardslab June 01, 2018 4:49 PM  

Azure, it is all Grade A American nationalist.

Blogger Brick Hardslab June 01, 2018 4:54 PM  

Is Jack mad because he's a gamma or is he a Peterson fan-boy? I can't see where his real butt hurt lies.

Blogger NO GOOGLES June 01, 2018 5:01 PM  

Myers-Briggs is literally just fortune-cookie tier soothsaying dressed up under a pseudoscientific veneer.

It's just like how astrology never really tells anyone their flaws, it just dresses them up as "quirks" or "personality traits" because it's feel-good nonsense.

The only part of it that has any validity whatsoever is the introvert/extrovert category, and Myers-Briggs literally doesn't test for those inclinations in any real concrete manner.

And yes, many variations of the Myers-Briggs matrix give one specific type as the "rarest" type even though it is either the most common result or one of the most common results. This is a time-tested strategy of snake oil salesmen - if you sell someone hokum that tells them they are "special" they will often believe it because they WANT to feel special, not because they actually are.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 01, 2018 5:20 PM  

Holy crap. It really is true that some dipshit will come by and affirm everything you say when writing about Gammas.

What a awful, miserable person that wrote that.

If I didn't know better I'd suspect Vox of writing those comments himself, they're so bloody perfect as an example.

Blogger Crew June 01, 2018 5:54 PM  

OT, but do journalists at the Atlantic always lie about the sexual revolution?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/title-ix-is-too-easy-to-abuse/561650/?utm_source=twb

A half-century ago a group of American college students realized that the American university had assumed a role in their lives that was fundamentally at odds with their constitutional right to live in freedom. They wanted personal freedom, political freedom, sexual freedom. They wanted to take their chances in life and be answerable only to the law and to their own consciences, not to the politically narrow and sexually repressive standards of a committee of campus bureaucrats. They wanted the university out of their private lives. For young women in particular—their virginity endlessly protected and fetishized by institutional protocols that included curfews, parietals, chaperones, dress codes, and letters to Mother sent by concerned deans of women—sexual freedom, with all of the excitement and danger and pleasure and deep risk that is attendant to it, could only be theirs if the university got out of their bedrooms and let them make the sexual lives they wanted.

If anything is clear at this stage, it is that the sexual revolution has caused women to lose big time. And sex is not the most important thing in life either.

However, my other big issue with the article is that it completely ignores the fact that the situation they are reporting on was essentially caused by Democrats and the Obama administration's war on women.

Blogger Avalanche June 01, 2018 6:27 PM  

@47 " It seems like being rude, crass and pushy is the new norm in tv programing."

I would guess it's chosen -- as the destruction in China of ANY manners was -- as a way to destroy civilization, civilized behavior, civilized culture. (I laughed like mad when China, right before the Olympics, had to hurry to teach people in the city NOT to spit everywhere on the sidewalks, because much of the civilized WORLD finds it disgusting. Spitting everywhere was made "appropriate behavior in the Cult. Revol. BECAUSE it was anti-class... Being rude, crass, and disgusting -- and requiring everyone around the disgusting to ACCEPT those behaviors -- is destruction!

Blogger Fuzzy June 01, 2018 6:29 PM  

@12 Darwinite

Interesting stats, can you source them? Truly curious to see who researched that, and further data from it. Matches my impression, but looking for something to back it.

Blogger Res Ipsa June 01, 2018 7:00 PM  

Stg58,

It seemed to me that there has to be a larger context for Vox's "gamma" behavior observations. On one hand I could see it as part of a larger personality profile. Which is likely is. On the other, maybe guys are mimicking behavior they think is socially meaningful/powerful. Which is why I thought maybe it is related to a larger cultural context. Maybe its a bit of both.

I do know that I didn't see this kind of behavior as a kid growing up in the 70's & 80's. If a boy would have acted the way Vox describes, he would have gotten punched in the face.

Another thought that came to me is, gamma behavior may be the result of 40 years of treating/teaching/raising boys as if they were broken girls. Gamma behavior seems like female conflict/aggression. Far better for immature males to learn a lesson as boys and straighten themselves up than to grow up to be chicks with dicks.

Blogger S1AL June 01, 2018 7:16 PM  

@Res Ipsa -

It manifests with minor variants. See: Eustace Clarence Scrubb.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 01, 2018 7:33 PM  

Res,

I agree with you. That behavior didn't exist back then I never knew anyone who acted like that. It's got to be a result of subverting male behavior to ape (Valerie Jarrett) female behavior.

Blogger Vernon June 01, 2018 7:58 PM  

Yes, that age would be "dead".

Blogger Gritón del Desierto June 01, 2018 8:17 PM  

This is an interesting and useful video,I'll like to comment a lot of things about,but I cutted muy right hand while fixing a window in my house and I'm nos trying yo writte with TVE left and it's a mess. Just ley me say that your vídeo vídeo was useful,You said some interesting things,I feel a bit identified with how You were as a kid and how You are nos,and the thing about holding TVE tongue reminds me of a Biblical verse.That's all

Blogger Res Ipsa June 01, 2018 9:02 PM  

I think S1Al is right. There were all ways self-important whiners, but never so many of them.

Blogger cmbaileytstc June 01, 2018 10:17 PM  

OT or is it?
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=651773211835967&id=443339356012688&ref=m_notif&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic

Blogger MJ Meyers June 01, 2018 10:26 PM  

After reading SJADD and watching this video, by Vox's definition of the Gamma, I've noticed a disproportionate number of Gammas in the legal community compared to other professions I've done prior. Nothing is more irritating than going up against a Gamma as your opposing counsel.

One of the dumbest tactics I came across was a lawyer complaining that the court reporter had me recorded saying I'd get some documents to him when my client was being deposed. Rather than politely follow up with me to get the documents to him (you can only do so much when your client is incapable or too lazy to get what you're asking), he threatened me with contempt because he claimed I was lying under oath (I wasn't under oath) to drive his point that he wanted the documents when they were late.

Vox is right. I don't confront people like that. I just roll my eyes and ignore their dumb comments. And I'm far less likely to capitulate to their requests in the future. Perhaps I'm emboldening them by ignoring them, and they probably think they won in their own petty little way. But the legal community is filled with people who like to engage in petty snarky tactics that do nothing to advance justice or resolution of the issue at hand but annoy people and make life unnecessarily more expensive for our clients.

It's not just young lawyers that are Gammas. I've come across many elderly ones as well.

Blogger cmbaileytstc June 01, 2018 10:31 PM  

“If you disagree with someone, do you have a tendency to focus on what the person said and what was wrong about that or do you immediately go to try to question the person's motivations, you immediately go to try to question the person's character“-By this definition about 90% of the people who argue against race realism are gamma. They don’t even try to do anything except go ad hom. For instance SJWs in the historical fencing community are trying to crucify Axel Petterson, maybe the best longsword fencer in the world, as a “Nazi” because he doesn’t like what’s going on in his native Sweden. Because of this blog I now know this is not despite his ability, but likely because of it.

Blogger S. Thermite June 01, 2018 10:47 PM  

Jack Burton meets John Scalzi:

"My inferiority complex is bigger than yours!"

"Whatever, Dudebro. Have you seen the size of my lawn?"

Blogger Welsh Woodsman June 01, 2018 11:06 PM  

The voluminous responses, to the slightest of slights, are the tell tale mark.
No normally functioning male, with any sort of life outside of the "net", has enough spare time to get outraged over some real or perceived slight by some stranger they will never meet.
Guys like Jack are pretty much ( outside of Jesus and serious introspection) ..without much hope.

I have a brother who is a delta with latent gamma tendencies. On rare occasions we will have disagreements ...like all siblings do.... and instead of attacking the issue he always has to make it personal. It pisses me off to no end.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman June 01, 2018 11:12 PM  

"Jack Burton. The guy that tries to insult you in a meeting, but gets wrekt instead and files a complaint about you to HR"

That pretty much sums it up. During a brief foray into the corporate world, I dealt with a guy who fit your description to a T. By the time it was over I wanted to beat the fucker senseless. Modern society has shielded these wimps from any real repercussions for their bitch like actions.

Blogger Jack Amok June 01, 2018 11:42 PM  

I assume Jack Ward will stand with me in denouncing Jack Barton for besmirching our good name.

They stated that currently in the U.S. 40% of children are born out of wedlock, and 23% (seems low to me) are raised by single mothers.

23% at first glance seems low, but with a little reflection, no, it's probably in the ballpark. Large families tend to be more traditional and stable.

And if you want to be really pedantic, you could say essentially 0% of children are raised by single mothers, because whatever it is single mothers are doing with/to their kids, it's probably not actually "raising" them.

Blogger nswhorse June 01, 2018 11:51 PM  

Why do people who go on tirades like this always employ "lol" or "lmao"?

Blogger VFM #7634 June 02, 2018 12:04 AM  

"It seemed to me that there has to be a larger context for Vox's "gamma" behavior observations."

@64 Res Ipsa
I get the impression that much of Gamma is run-of-the-mill immaturity that a proper father, or even a drill sergeant, would discipline out of the male in question. OTOH, being coddled and patted on the head by women reinforces Gamma.

To put it yet another way, the destruction of all-male groups and letting women (especially liberal women) do the vast majority of the raising of children has led to a dramatic worsening of the Gamma problem, particularly evident nowadays with its more recent, more virulent variant known as the soyboy or numale.

"Why do people who go on tirades like this always employ "lol" or "lmao"?"

@77 nswhorse
I suspect it's a tic they throw in in an attempt to demonstrate they're really above it all and laughing at you. It's BS, of course.

Blogger Paul M June 02, 2018 12:17 AM  

"The way most people actually “read” is to scan a text for keywords which trigger recollections from their own mind."

This is certainly true for many religious people. It's the way that they deal with their holy books, scanning the words until God speaks to them about some verse or even a phrase from a verse. You get people who will forge an entire doctrine from "there is therefore now no condemnation", mostly because they are unable to read and process a chapter, let alone an entire book of The Bible.

Blogger Paul M June 02, 2018 12:40 AM  

@47 "Have you put any thought into how these behaviors fit into a Myers-Briggs personality matrix?"

Myers-Briggs is based around Jungian psychological theories, which is to say that is is based on prescientific tosh.

The P/J axis is about the flow of "libido" - perceiving means that a person takes a net inflow of libido from their environment, judging means that they impose an outflow of libido on the phenomena about them. Perceiving can be "sensate" or "intuitive"; Judging can be accomplished by "thinking" or "feeling".

The sensate/intuitive axis is particularly interesting. Interpreting this according to how the words were used at the time that Jung was writing, they boil down to class: the lower classes are crass and sensate, the upper classes are refined and intuitive.

All of these classifications of personality work about as well as astrological sign. If your head is full of astrology, you will see Leos and Capricorns everywhere. It can even be a useful way to categorise people. The problem is when you see someone exhibit behaviour that makes them as a Sagittarius, and seeing that leads you to assume that everything else they do will be consistent to the point of ignoring new information to the contrary.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Creepy Joe Biden always asks for consent before changing your baby's diaper ) June 02, 2018 1:05 AM  

31. ZhukovG June 01, 2018 2:01 PM
Hmmm, it appears that Gammas have an overwhelming compulsion to keep digging, even if neck deep in a hole.



relatively speaking, that's a fairly shallow hole.

one must always remember that a Gamma keeps his head firmly ensconced in his ass.

Blogger English Tom June 02, 2018 10:06 AM  

@Res Ipsa

They've turned many people into little whinging bitches. It's a real human tragedy.

Blogger wreckage June 02, 2018 10:14 AM  

@77 they think it disguises the hot tears of rage and helplessness coursing down their cheeks.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother June 02, 2018 12:31 PM  

I've taken the MBTI test many times and I always score firmly ESTJ. In my opinion, it described me very well, including actual thoughts I think. If it's actually garbage, I am interested in knowing why. I've known Jung was crazy for a long time, but this particular offshoot of his work I thought was pretty much right on.

Blogger S1AL June 02, 2018 1:02 PM  

@stg58 -

I think what happens is that the crowd of introverted net-dwellers cluster in a specific corner of the MB map, then share those results, then conclude that the test is wrong because everyone they know voted for Gore.

Blogger Peter Gent June 02, 2018 2:38 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:I've taken the MBTI test many times and I always score firmly ESTJ. In my opinion, it described me very well, including actual thoughts I think. If it's actually garbage, I am interested in knowing why. I've known Jung was crazy for a long time, but this particular offshoot of his work I thought was pretty much right on.
My test results have been pretty consistent over the years also. I am on the cusp between INTJ & ENTJ. Sometimes I test barely I, sometimes a bit E and most people think the designations fit me to a T.

Blogger Michael Maier June 02, 2018 6:26 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:I've taken the MBTI test many times and I always score firmly ESTJ. In my opinion, it described me very well, including actual thoughts I think. If it's actually garbage, I am interested in knowing why. I've known Jung was crazy for a long time, but this particular offshoot of his work I thought was pretty much right on.

MB isn't "astrology". In my case, it's pretty dang specific. It's also very useful in analyzing what I do and don't do and how to address deficiencies in specific areas.

If I'd re-read the ALPHA BLOG archives AND my results pages on www.16personalities.com before starting my last relationship, I'd probably still BE in a relationship.

Blogger Roger G2 June 03, 2018 12:58 AM  

I must say I applaud and admire this thing of yours: posting the negative comments and attacks that come your way, “Vox Day.”
Always leaves me laughing.
Indeed, I’ve never seen any minions’ ataboys or kudos in the blog.
Let sunshine be the best disinfectant.

Blogger John Elvidge June 03, 2018 4:07 PM  

I'm now 50 going on 51 and I have learned so much and yet there is more to learn. I'm not attractive in a physical way. I have a large head, Lurch or Herman common names. I have a bizarre physical structure with long arms and legs and a short torso. It looked great on my Mom, not so much on me. It took me years to realize that I wasn't going to get the girl with stunning good looks. I am blessed to have a memory like a trap, but it is a double-edged sword. I can remember an amazing assortment of things but since I use that as a crutch to avoid studying, I found that once the subjects and requirements became more complex I couldn't keep up. There is no substitute for good organization. I don't have it, that's why I found the military so comforting. After barely getting through High School, I joined the Army after working in a restaurant for 3 years in high school. The restaurant was fun and the pay good, but my destructive behavior would have ended badly. I was a smart ass no it all who cared nothing for rules, the law or any 'norm' that there was. I read history books instead of doing my homework and found my friends by joining in insane alcohol and drug binges. I was bad at sports, but I never tried. Being so used to picking things up easily anything that took practice I never engaged in. It took me years to realize a little effort goes a long way. Being the youngest of 3, my brother and sister are 7 and 8 years older than me always made me feel left out and I tried to gain attention with stupid childish outbursts. That kind of outburst type attention grab behavior today embarrasses me to no end. I hope I learned my lesson. (I insisted that my wife agree to at least 2 kids close in age, I didn't want a repeat of my poor behavior). In a move that shocked many and had most thinking I would never make it, I joined the US Army. I loved flying and helicopters interested me to no end. I had so many interests when I was young, history, aviation, space, politics etc. I could never decide what to do. After defying the experts and making it through training, (I can’t do pushups very well. The long arms make for a long inefficient motion but running was so easy that I can’t complain), I volunteered to go to Korea. It was best I stayed away from temptation a while longer. I was lucky and after 4 months got moved to the flight platoon and got to fly all over that country. I read every Korean War book I could get and was lucky to see and interact with the locals away from the bases and saw the great Korean people and their wonderful hospitality and appreciation for what the US did in 1950.Sometime the most important things you learn won’t hit you until later. Always listen and learn, you never stop learning, ever. It took me years to learn to just smile and wave when the situation requires. I have no patience for stupid self-absorbed people and it doesn’t help me win any popularity contests, but I gave up caring years ago. I know when to shut up and I know when it’s appropriate to say something, most of the time. Having 2 kids has been the most wonderful learning experience in my life and I would never exchange anything for them. If you had told me when I was 18 that my most fulfilling life event would be being a father I would have laughed my ass off and called you crazy. You never know what life will hold and maybe your most fulfilling reward will come from somewhere you never thought. If you’re feeling down or in a bad mood, doing something for another person is a great way to change your attitude. It doesn’t have to be elaborate, do something not expected. Your emotions are your own responsibility and taking out your frustrations on others is a sure sign on immaturity. Well, it’s not like anyone will read this or get anything from it but hey, you never know!

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