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Monday, June 11, 2018

Errors and misinformation

A PhD writing for the Daily Caller is vastly underwhelmed by Jordan Peterson:
Jordan Peterson’s recent book — 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos — is filled with errors and misinformation.

Consider, for example:

1. The yinyang, claims Peterson, is a male-female duality. However, most Chinese philosophy denies such a claim, where only Dong Zhongshu (ca. 179–104 BC), a cranky oddball, says anything vaguely similar. Rather, the swirling pattern describes aesthetic order (the true concern of Chinese thought).

2. Peterson’s Jungian explanations of myths are fabrications, complete with mistranslations from languages he doesn’t know (Akkadian, Sanskrit, Biblical Hebrew, Greek). He calls such misinformation, “ancient wisdom.”

3. Lacking theology and history, Peterson proceeds to “explain” the Bible, by relativizing God and absolutizing opinion. Thus, he misconstrues the Logos, and blasphemes his way through the Old Testament and the Gospels. As for history, just one example suffices: No, Jesus is not a version of the Egyptian god, Osiris. This nonsense comes from Gerald Massey, a 19th-century crackpot who faked evidence to make such claims). Unbeknownst to Peterson, he has one ancient ally, the Pneumatomachi, who said the Bible was all tropes and happily fashioned harebrained interpretations.

4. “Marxism” (Peterson’s catchphrase for postmodernism, Marx, the Frankfurt School and feminism) is the great enemy, supposedly “destroying” the West. Some of Peterson’s talking points come from the fallacious book by Stephen Hicks (Explaining Postmodernism). But the West isn’t being destroyed by Marxism, The West is trying to become rootless via apostasy and acedia, which Peterson promotes. Should the West return to its root (Christianity), it will thrive. That real Marxists hate postmodernists is unknown to Peterson. He also knows nothing about Maximilien Robespierre’s Jacobin progeny (the democides Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and the Kims).

5. Peterson cannot differentiate philosophy from critical theory and thus can only name-drop (Rousseau, Heidegger, Dostoevsky, Derrida, etc.).
I told you Peterson was an intellectual charlatan. He's a fraud, plain and simple. The more you know, the more you can see that the man simply does not know what he's talking about.

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71 Comments:

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 11, 2018 2:03 PM  

Is our PhD really claiming that Lenin, Mao and Pol Pot are not disciples of Marx?

Only an Academic could be so intentionally ignorant.

Blogger Unknown June 11, 2018 2:07 PM  

You sound like the apostle John in Mark 9:38. Don't you think Jordan is doing tremendous good despite being a "fraud." Is there not value in his message as well as contradiction?

- Peter

Blogger Lyon June 11, 2018 2:15 PM  

"That real Marxists hate postmodernists is unknown to Peterson."

This was also unknown to me. Modern day Marxist seem to use it as a tool in their tool belt. Perhaps this is like anything our adversary uses. Used and then discarded.

Blogger Dave June 11, 2018 2:26 PM  

4th comment in @ article:

an hour ago
the author sounds jealous! unable to get people to go to his lectures or buy his books (has he even written any) he decides he's going to knock others who are more successful than himself.

Blogger Peter Gent June 11, 2018 2:29 PM  

That article is a complete and utter, yet succinct take-down. The crows have come home to roost.

Blogger VD June 11, 2018 2:31 PM  

Don't you think Jordan is doing tremendous good despite being a "fraud." Is there not value in his message as well as contradiction?

No. No.

Blogger Durandel June 11, 2018 2:47 PM  

@1 Snidley - he makes no such claim. He places them as disciples of Robespierre. The PhD would likely add Marx to Robespierre’s progeny if he wasn’t focusing on the mass murder tendencies of Jacobins and Marxists in his statement.

Blogger Durandel June 11, 2018 2:50 PM  

Thank you for posting Vox. Reading the rest, it would seem both you and the PhD came to same conclusion about Peterson:

“The constant theme of his book is the “enemy within…arrogant, static, unchanging existence.” He hopes to overcome this inner Hell by using delusion (errors and misinformation) as an opiate just to get through “miserable existence.” This is why he misteaches and misinforms, for he wants to fabricate a calming narrative to counter meaninglessness (suffering) that materialism always produces. Such is his strategy of worldly success (the 12 Rules).”

Blogger Lyon June 11, 2018 2:51 PM  

@2. I think the gist of the reasoning behind denying your claim that JBP is doing "...tremendous good despite being a 'fraud.' " comes down to a very straightforward understanding. I'm paraphrasing the argument others have made:

JBP catches folks that already are beginning to see the obvious errors in the current horseshit narrative.

And from there, JBP gives them, his followers, a more nuanced and complicated horseshit narrative to work through. It's still horseshit.

JBP takes people down a dead end street. His target market are those who have some intellect to play with and those who flatter themselves that their intellect has led them to a promised land, via the enlightened word of JBP.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 11, 2018 3:07 PM  

"acedia"

There we go. Bird is the word. How quickly the eighth deadly sin is forgotten.

Blogger David Wright June 11, 2018 3:21 PM  

JBP still can't answer if he believes in God without a pedantic diatribe. I still don't know the answer from him but he did say he was "religious".

Blogger Cloom Glue June 11, 2018 3:22 PM  

The public broadcaster in Canada put up a segment called "Is Jordan Peterson Dangerous?". I did not watch it, but I presume it is a notable milestone in the story arc of Jordan and the Argonauts. I saw it wiggle on youtube for me to bite.

Blogger Durandel June 11, 2018 3:23 PM  

It wasn’t forgotten Azure, Gregory the Great combined acedia with tristitia and Thomas Aquinas popularized the revision. That’s why I was taught that acedia was in the definition of sloth, rather than a separate subdivision.

Granted, centuries later, it would probably be good to subdivide it out again for our modern/postmodern minds.

Blogger Damn Crackers June 11, 2018 3:43 PM  

True...Marxist hate postmodernists because Marxists believe their philosophy is a science grounded in reality (dialectical materialism).

I started to question JBP when he stated in a lecture that the god Set and his name inspired the name of Satan. The etymology is completely different.

I would like to see a real Jungian psychologist excoriate the wannabe Jungian clinical psychologist JBP.

Blogger Lovekraft June 11, 2018 3:55 PM  

Want some clarification: he's saying we should give marxism a pass because marxism has its roots with Robespierre? That 'real Marxists hate postmodernism'? Also something about apostasy and acedia being the sources of SJW action?

So the Frankfurt School is a myth and communism/socialism and the entire pantheon of gender/racial vitriol is...?

Somebody fill me in here because I'm calling this author out as a closet marxist himself.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir June 11, 2018 4:10 PM  

Marxism isn't our enemy?

Blogger Resident Moron™ June 11, 2018 4:25 PM  

Read for comprehension, not for kneejerk aspergers.

He didn't say MArxism isn't our enemy, he said it's not destroying us.

We are.

That's not to say Marxists wouldn't if they could, but like SJWs they can only actually feed on the weak.

Blogger Damn Crackers June 11, 2018 4:31 PM  

Read "Marxists" as vulgar Marxists, not cultural Marxists or postmodernist Marxist allies.

Blogger Michael G June 11, 2018 4:34 PM  

Acedia. Demonic listlessness. Need an ancient Christian cure? Read Evagrius of Pontus' 345-399 Antirrhêtikos - Talking Back (to Demons) Monastic Handbook for Combating Demons. Contains many more than 12 rules.

Blogger Lovekraft June 11, 2018 4:42 PM  

@17: you didn't really make any point. So marxists are simply parasites and our own weak bodies allow them to harm us?

And what does one do to improve one's health but eliminate the harmful influences? Not going to get into a back-and-forth with you. Just that your point does not address what I state the author is trying to do.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd June 11, 2018 4:52 PM  

Glad to see another Phd validating VD's truth. Maybe the degree isn't quit so worthless after all. Actually it probably still is.

But Vox called this before anyone had really examined this guy. In fact a lot of people were angry at first but now have conveniently forgotten their defense of Peterson.


Blogger Wynn Lloyd June 11, 2018 4:56 PM  

By Marxism he means "classicsl" economic Marxism most likely.
Postmodernism is constructivist. Whereas classical Marxism is based on scientism. We call the F.School and Postmodernism, "Cultural Marxism," but I think he is focused on more accurate terms.

And it's true that Marxism isn't threatening us. There's very little threat of the means of production falling into the hands of the working class. It's the opposite going on today.
The Politburo is not funding our enemies, George Soros is.
That's my two cents anyway. Take it or leave it.

Blogger Lovekraft June 11, 2018 5:04 PM  

If culture can be seen as a train (excuse my metaphor) and this train is currently breaking down and filled with thieves, the questions are:

1. who allowed these thieves on (the Rousseaus or another group)?
2. who prevents us from kicking them off and repairing the train?
3. should we abandon the train, build a new, secure one?

Blogger freddie_mac June 11, 2018 5:04 PM  

@11 David Wright
JBP still can't answer if he believes in God without a pedantic diatribe.

That's your answer right there. Its a very simple question: either yes, or no; people who insist on the pedantic diatribe mean "no," but (for whatever reason -- gamma rage?) won't give the simple answer.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer June 11, 2018 5:12 PM  

No, Jesus is not a version of the Egyptian god, Osiris.

Don't be ridiculous, Jesus is a version of Horus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0-EgjUhRqA

Blogger Thumos June 11, 2018 5:14 PM  

The reason Peterson dances around the question and doesn't endorse a theist viewpoint is because he's not paid to do that. He's part of the globalist complex. That's why he appeared on Joe Rogan espousing talking points that alienated young men would cotton on to. That's why he makes 7 figures a year just from Patreon. The destruction of the family, the nation-state, and religion are the key points to our enslavement.

Blogger OGRE June 11, 2018 5:20 PM  

Wynn Lloyd wrote:By Marxism he means "classicsl" economic Marxism most likely.

Postmodernism is constructivist. Whereas classical Marxism is based on scientism. We call the F.School and Postmodernism, "Cultural Marxism," but I think he is focused on more accurate terms.


Thats exactly right. The early post-modernists such as Foucault and Derrida despised the traditional Marxists, particularly for their authoritarian and tyrranical approach, and the Marxists reciprocated the feelings in treturn. But the Neo-marxists that came out of the Frankfurt school applied the critical theory and deconstructionism of the post-modernists to the production of culture, just as the traditional Marxists applied it to industrial production. The Cultural Marxists apply the dialectical theories of the marxists to cultural groups--however those are to be divided--instead of solely to economic classes, thus giving rise to identity politics, with the aim of undermining and destroying the culture of Western Civilization.

Peterson isn't wrong to lump post-modernists and cultural marxists together, as they use the same tools and methods with the same goals in mind. And those that adhere to post-modernism tend to be fans of socialism too (and the campus nitwits will even claim to be communists.) But the criticism isn't wrong either. Its just a matter of precision really. And the rest of the authors criticisms are dead on.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey June 11, 2018 5:27 PM  

Asking whether the cultural Marxists and the classical Marxists get along is akin to asking if the Judean People's Front gets along with the People's Front of Judea. It's all a bit of internecine tussling confined entirely within the Left, which makes little difference unless you're of the Left. Pox on both the Marxist houses.

Blogger great_o'rety June 11, 2018 5:31 PM  

Whoah, a tour deforce dismantling.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir June 11, 2018 5:32 PM  

@17 "That's not to say Marxists wouldn't if they could..."

Then they're our enemy.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir June 11, 2018 5:36 PM  

@22 "There's very little threat of the means of production falling into the hands of the working class."

Marx's assertion that it was supposed to was just a ruse. The means of production was supposed to fall into the hands of the Jews (a race of which Marx was a member). And that's pretty much what has happened today, isn't it? How can you not know that?

Blogger tublecane June 11, 2018 5:51 PM  

"real Marxists"

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are we going to pretend Cultural Marxism doesn't exist? Is that the game we're playing?

Well, I don't mind laying off Marx a bit. People really do throw his name around carelessly. He doesn't stand at the root of all leftism. And Classical Marxism is definitely dead.

However, the old One, True Marxist game annoys me.

Blogger Elkanah Haon June 11, 2018 5:53 PM  

"Is there not value in his message as well as contradiction?"

Despite him spewing nothing but commonsense bullshit (albeit eloquently), he's regarded as a deeply edgy and almost revolutionary figure due to state of the current year.

He's widely acclaimed amongst the MGTOW/INCEL types - and those on their way to that status - as well as amongst boomers who otherwise wouldn't engage with someone regarded as being 'alt right' or 'far right' or 'neo nazi' or whatever the fuck disqualifying term is most popular at the moment.

The fact that the guys (And few gals) who are 'centrist' these days also find him persuasive and - more importantly - thus find his demonization to be a redpill is also a huge win.

I've heard him mentioned with varying degrees of respect by all redpill leaning 'normies' and by a fair number of bluepill (i.e. not batshit crazy) normies.

Yes he's undoubtedly a cuck, yes he's probably depressed to some degree; but he serves as a gateway to more based thought and thinkers.

He's one of the very few vaguely contrarian thinkers to find his popular status to be significant enough to earn him major airtime in the Anglosphere.

Should the day come which sees guys like Peterson obsess jealously over guys with opinions and personalities like Vox because they're becoming too popular and receiving too much attention we'll know we're on the way to winning.

inb4 "gamma boy"
inb4 "Ure SJW/SJWs always lie"

Blogger tublecane June 11, 2018 6:04 PM  

@14- You remind me of a book titled Jesus Christ: Sun of God, or something like that. Which I think is about ancient mystery cults and the origins of Christianity in astrological symbolism, or whatever.

Point was, Christ is a Sun God, who "dies" on the winter solstice to be "reborn" three days later. And one of the ways this is driven home is through wordplay on "sun" and "son." In English, which of course didn't exist back when.

I think that author was just punning. Peterson would take the pun and run.

Blogger tublecane June 11, 2018 6:20 PM  

@25- That's what I was thinking.

This PhD is incorrect, as far as I know Gerald Massey had it that Jesus is Horus, son of Isis and Osiris. Although in the trinitarian sense he would be God the Father Osiris as well. But that relationship doesn't exist in Egyptian religion.

Massey was an odd duck, and now that he has been brought up I see the Petersonian parallels. Here's a quote I get from Wikipedia that sounds like it could be out of the Secret:

"The human mind has long suffered an eclipse and been darkened and dwarfed in the shadows of ideas the real meaning of which has been lost to moderns. Myths and allegories whose significance was once unfolded in the Mysteries have been adopted in ignorance and reissued as real truths directly and divinely vouchsafed to humanity for the first and only time!"

There was Ancient Secret Knowledge held by the Egyptian and others. This knowledge was retained, but its origin forgotten. It has been repackaged and sold in different forms.

With seven easy payments of $99.99 to Dr. Jordan B. Peterson, Secret Knowledge-ologist, the real knowledge can be yours!

Blogger Dirk Manly June 11, 2018 6:25 PM  

"I told you Peterson was an intellectual charlatan. He's a fraud, plain and simple. The more you know, the more you can see that the man simply does not know what he's talking about."

Well, you know.... psychology professor.

The recto-cranial inversion in that group is so high, and so consistent, that the only way they can breath is through the use of nasal tubes.

Blogger Red Bane June 11, 2018 6:32 PM  

There is some useful information in Hicks 'Explaining Postmodernism', particularly his breakdown of academic and cultural Postmodern themes and tropes. Another term for the word is cultural Judaism of course. Be interesting to hear why Hick's book is fallacious. Yes, apostasy is Western man's greatest sin, but anyone denying the role of the Jewish revolutionary spirit is suspect to me.

Blogger tublecane June 11, 2018 6:48 PM  

@37- I believe Hicks is an Objectivist or at least a fellow-traveler libertarian type. So there's that.

I read that book a long time ago, but as I recall its central thesis is that postmodernism was developed in reaction to the real-world failure of communism. Which is to say, leftists said, "Reality doesn't agree with us? So much the worse for reality!"

I don't know anything about the man Vox is quoting here, but since he's a PhD odds are that he wouldn't care for such an interpretation.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein June 11, 2018 6:53 PM  

@34

TOS

Blogger Nameless One June 11, 2018 7:08 PM  

For me JP is similar to Ayn Rand. Rand was an useful ally in the fight against Communism/Collectivism, but ultimately she placed the ego and Man as her idol in the center of her philosophy, and rejected God and hence following her philosophy to its end would have led to the same place as the Communism she abhorred.

On the list of priorities I'd advise focusing attack on the common enemy and deal with JP later.

Blogger Cloom Glue June 11, 2018 7:23 PM  

@38 I see Nirmal's PhD is Critical Theory. However, his books are not Critical Theory, but mostly translations, like a Latin account of the First Crusade into English. https://www.thistledownpress.com/html/search/Authors/Nirmal_Dass_/index.cfm

From RateMyProf haha: "He is a very easy marker but his lectures are extremely frustrating because he never discusses the actual topic. Had him for Etruscans & Early Rome and we talked more about modern philosophy than we did about the actual topic. If you want a good mark but don't mind wanting to pull your hair out- take his class." http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=1782434

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums June 11, 2018 7:40 PM  

@40
Nameless One wrote:On the list of priorities I'd advise focusing attack on the common enemy and deal with JP later.

Depends on what the priorities are. If it's to swing the culture to the right, what JP is doing is trying to find some middleground.

The further the Left goes with their BS the more the pendulum is moved to the left. The more the pendulum is moved to the Left the greater the momentum is going to have when it's gonna swing to the Right. THIS is why left-wingers (like JP) are attacking the Left. The speeches he does with a political bent to them boil down to: "Please stop antagonizing the opposition so much otherwise you'll get us all in trouble".

This is not a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" scenario. This is a "the friend of the drunken guy is trying to explain to him to not pick a fight with the bouncer" scenario.

Here's what I have come to expect from these anti-postmodernism/anti-communism leftsts: the moment the events start moving to the right they are suddenly nowhere to be found. This is how you know they're not your friend. Here's an example. Sargon of Akkad, self-proclaimed liberalist (lol) and free-speech advocate, suddenly said we should follow the law and not cause any trouble when Tommy Robinson (which he calls "my friend") was imprisoned. Again, once the drunkard started a fight with the bouncer his friends suddenly go "oh, uhm, I don't know that guy" just so they won't get kicked out also.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 11, 2018 7:41 PM  

@Lyon
"That real Marxists hate postmodernists is unknown to Peterson."

This was also unknown to me. Modern day Marxist seem to use it as a tool in their tool belt. Perhaps this is like anything our adversary uses. Used and then discarded.


No true Marxist, though.

"Classical Marxism" is best underatood, not by means of attempting to grasp all of the complexities of its internal theoretical convolutions and permutations, but by simply looking at its effects. It serves to weaponize the people of a society against the native elites of that society; "decapitating" it, thus allowing a takeover by an alien, hostile elite.

It's just a tool; a weapon. Was Jacob Schiff a "Communist?" How about Armand Hammer?

Blogger Michael Maier June 11, 2018 8:05 PM  

OT: @ Vox

How did you not make a post about your Hitler Darkstream? That would be a good discussion here, methinks.

Blogger Lovekraft June 11, 2018 8:09 PM  

Questioning Jesus Christ's divinity and the Egyptian association is the wedge that opens up doubt, which brings about a spiral into nihilism, self-doubt and spreading of lies.

You're either in or out when it comes to this question.

However, if you are approaching this not from an attempt to discredit or sow doubt among the Christians here, but rather to engage the moral relativists, then you are welcome to do so. Direct that energy to them.

Blogger Ingemar June 11, 2018 8:45 PM  

The whole article VD linked is worth a read. I especially liked:

Materialism has no faith, hope or love. Thus, Peterson has no antidote to chaos, because he himself is chaos. In his strategy of success, there is no God, no meaning, no truth, no history, which is “far preferable to waiting, endlessly, for the magical arrival of Godot.” By “Godot,” he means Christ. There’s only the self, eternally alone, trying to forestall suffering by way of distraction (noticing). As an evolutionary psychologist, he can only try to manage emotions.

Blogger ErisGuy June 11, 2018 10:17 PM  

"Peterson is worried about Marxism supposedly 'destroying' the West... But the West isn't being destroyed by Marxism" "Supposedly" is strange way to spell "demonstrably." We have millions of corpses over the last century for ample proof.

"Some of Peterson's talking points come from the fallacious book by Stephen Hicks." "Fallacious" doesn't mean "cogent and well-argued," which would be an accurate description of Hicks' book.

"Real Marxists hate postmodernists..." I agree no true Scotsman... Oh, wait. That is a fallacy. If he's going to label Hicks' book as fallacious, his argument would carry more weight if he avoided fallacies at least for the remainder of the paragraph.

“He also knows nothing about Robespierre's Jacobin progeny." And list is—surprise—a list of Marxists, who according to him, aren't destroying the West.

Blogger Archella June 11, 2018 10:17 PM  

Vox, did you ever put up a post, for your ww2/eastern front, video? That was amazing btw. I would definitely help for that game idea you mentioned, testing, map design, whatever.

Blogger Lazarus June 11, 2018 10:24 PM  

Ingemar wrote:. In his strategy of success, there is no God, no meaning, no truth, no history, which is “far preferable to waiting, endlessly, for the magical arrival of Godot.”

The Jews are still waiting for Godot, and think they are clever. But so are the Churchians.

Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem
…43For the days will come upon you when your enemies will barricade you and surround you and hem you in on every side. 44They will level you to the ground — you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation from God.” 45Then Jesus entered the temple courts and began to drive out those who were selling there.…


Do you think the second time, being spiritual instead of physical, will be recognized any more easily?

And what form will the destruction of the spiritual Jerusalem take?

Blogger tublecane June 11, 2018 11:32 PM  

@40- Rand adopted the pose of a philosopher, and credulous followers unfortunately believed in her. But for the most part she was known as a novelist, a teller of tales. Not a seeker after Truth handing down laws from on High.

Both had unearned philosophical pretensions. But Rand Cult notwithstanding, we really ought to judge a popular fiction writer differently from a supposedly serious scholar who taught at Harvard and blah, blah, blah.

At least she was upfront about her atheism. She was immeasurably more transparent than Peterson about most all of her positions.

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas June 12, 2018 12:19 AM  

"I would like to see a real Jungian psychologist excoriate the wannabe Jungian clinical psychologist JBP."

I read recently that Peterson has admitted to never undergoing analysis, despite his admitted mental problems.

What makes this even more glaring is that Jung required all Jungian analysts to be analyzed themselves for at least 300 hours, precisely to prevent what Peterson is trying to do.

If I remember correctly, Freud also refused to be analyzed.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd June 12, 2018 1:53 AM  

Dude I was just trying to preempt all the damn sperging over what should have been a minor point.
My statement actually supports yours. The "working class" today is Heritage America. There's very little danger of a movement of factory workers riding up and taking control of the economy. It's anachronistic. Today, it's Jews in the finance industry who are at the foundation of economic power.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd June 12, 2018 1:55 AM  

You should take that up with the author. I was just trying to clarify what (I am guessing) he meant, to get around unnecesssry nit-picking instead of the subject of Jordan Peterson.

Blogger Antony June 12, 2018 2:21 AM  

OT - but thought you'd be interested in the UK's Rocking Mr E "The Fraud of Christian Zionism" ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8-DFXDEljo

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 12, 2018 3:36 AM  

Ayn Rand had something to say. Peterson has something to not say.

Blogger BCG June 12, 2018 3:42 AM  

OT: President Trump and Premier Kim Jong-un have signed an accord that "de-nuclearizes" the Korean Peninsula. The President says he will invite the Premier to the White House. Let's not stint the praise: this is the best President we have had since Lincoln. (And I speak of comparative abilities--regardless of what you may think of Lincoln, he was a very able leader.)

Meanwhile, Dennis Rodman says "the Obama White House didn't give me the time of day", and "President Trump thanked me". Win. Win. Win. Bigly.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 12, 2018 4:40 AM  

"He's one of the very few vaguely contrarian thinkers to find his popular status to be significant enough to earn him major airtime in the Anglosphere."

Translation: He's the New Bill Buckley controlled opposition, who opposes the left, but is damn apoplectic about the idea of anybody wanting to actually FIGHT against the left and reverse what they are doing.

Blogger Dirk Manly June 12, 2018 4:45 AM  

@37

"but anyone denying the role of the Jewish revolutionary spirit is suspect to me."

Which should more accurately be called the Jewish Subversive Spirit.

Revolutionaries replace things, one for another.
Subversives merely destroy what works, like termites in your house.

Blogger lazing dirk June 12, 2018 4:51 AM  

In what way is the Hicks book "inaccurate"?

Blogger Dirk Manly June 12, 2018 6:47 AM  

@51

"I read recently that Peterson has admitted to never undergoing analysis, despite his admitted mental problems."

Psychological analysis is NOT a therapeutic tool.

It's only use is for discovering (by mass collection of data) how various psycho-pathologies are caused.
For example, if you're exhibiting symptoms of PTSD, there is no need to do psychoanalysis on you ... PTSD is fairly well understood (what sorts of specific events cause it),

Psychoanalysis is only useful for discovering the causes of a not-well-understood pathology, and even then, only so that parents and others can be warned not to do these things to children.

Blogger Peter Gent June 12, 2018 7:28 AM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"acedia"

There we go. Bird is the word. How quickly the eighth deadly sin is forgotten.

We originally learned it as sloth. n. Aversion to work or exertion; laziness; indolence. Sorta defines those slothful sons living in the parent(s) basement playing video games 18 hours a day.

Anonymous Anonymous June 12, 2018 8:29 AM  

Vox, Paul Gottfried was interviewed about Jordan Peterson and “the bloody post modern neo Marxists”, perhaps you’d like to check that out, it’s on YouTube.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown June 12, 2018 9:45 AM  

@ 10 Yeah, it's been a while since someone besides Vox sent me to the dictionary. Nirmal Dass.... gonna have to read up on this guy.

Blogger Nameless One June 12, 2018 1:08 PM  

The point isn't that JP is exactly like Rand. Just that Rand was an influential voice against the leftwing orthodoxy of the time(which persists to this day) that socialism is morally superior (because it's about caring for your fellow man) and captalism was morally inferior (because it was based on greed and self-interest).
Even though ultimately her philosophy is flawed and wrong in a crucial way, she "redpilled" a lot of people into realizing the narrative of the left which permeated through culture and academia was a lie. Once liberated from that, some followed her down her dark path, others were free to find their way to brighter destinations.

JP might be able to play a similar role. If he can be the wreaking ball that smashes the walls of the thoughtprison, some of the prisoners will get away and not end up in his thoughtprison either.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 12, 2018 2:55 PM  

The poison of Rand is still killing the Right. But we need a new Rand.
Gotcha, chief.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 12, 2018 5:19 PM  

No, you're just wrong. Completely & utterly wrong.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 12, 2018 5:24 PM  

Ayn Rand was a terribly destructive force who was obsessed with capitalism, every bit as evilly as those obsessed w/communism. She justified infidelity, polyamory and cuckoldry.
She treated marriage like a used Kleenex & friends like dog droppings.
In short, she was a nasty, evil little shekel-clutching Jewess.

Blogger Jay June 12, 2018 8:53 PM  

A return to Christianity? You mean the god who allows little children to be raped (which conclusively is now proven to wreck/severely hamper brain development), and then sends them to hell if they don't believe in him when they grow up? No, insistence of a return to Christianity, is f**king AUTISTIC. Grow some balls, Vox. It's ok to question the "moral authority" of your "god".

If Yahweh/Jehovah/Jesus/whatever allows children to be raped, such a god is a peace of shit (according to it's own moral standards). Grow up, herd-like children. For the human condition, it's only humans who can fix it (even if we die off trying), not a deity. Idiots.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 13, 2018 1:08 AM  

@Jay the pretend angry Atheis asshat,

God doesn't allow children to be raped.
You do.

Blogger VD June 13, 2018 4:13 AM  

It's ok to question the "moral authority" of your "god". If Yahweh/Jehovah/Jesus/whatever allows children to be raped, such a god is a peace of shit (according to it's own moral standards).

Without God's moral standards, why do you have any objection to children being raped?

Blogger Brian Dean June 13, 2018 5:23 AM  

I hope it's not too late, but I just saw a video where Jordan Peterson admits to falling in love and marrying an 8 year old girl. It occurs at about 3:50 in the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XICqcAac9jg

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