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Sunday, July 22, 2018

Reprisal is not hypocrisy

One of the nice things about being an ex-libertarian is that one no longer finds oneself lumped in with the professional cucks at Reason.
The Walt Disney Company has fired filmmaker James Gunn, director of the Marvel franchise Guardians of the Galaxy films, due to revelations that he—gasp—said some very offensive things on Twitter many years ago.

It's no accident these tweets were suddenly discovered; right-wing bloggers including Mike Cernovich and Jack Posobiec (with an assist from Breitbart and The Daily Caller) went digging after Gunn made negative remarks about conservative writer Ben Shapiro on Twitter. Ironically, Gunn was actually offering a very qualified defense of liberal actor and director Mark Duplass for saying Ben Shapiro was someone the left should engage.

Gunn's tweets reference violence and sexual assault against children. They are gross. But he says they were intended as jokes, and there's really no reason to suspect otherwise. While many have implied that the tweets include a link to child pornography, this is false—the link in question is harmless.

Gunn said he was a very different person when he wrote those tweets, and had previously apologized.

"I viewed myself as a provocateur, making movies and telling jokes that were outrageous and taboo," he said in a statement. "In the past, I have apologized for humor of mine that hurt people. I truly felt sorry and meant every word of my apologies."

This really ought to have been enough. But we live in an era where both the left and the right are eager to collect the scalps of people who offend them. Conservatives who participated in the lynch mob against Gunn are hypocrites, since they have often scolded the left for doing this exact same thing.
Cuckservatives are very unhappy when anyone does anything more effective than protest in a feeble and futile manner. To the Left, an apology is nothing more than an admission of guilt and justification for prosecution, and their apologies should be treated accordingly. Cerno and Jack are doing exactly what everyone on the Right should be doing to the Left, and that is holding them accountable to their own rules.

If you want to win the cultural war, you have to fight. Feckless posturing about how "we should be better than that" is not fighting, it is surrendering.

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Blogger Pierre Truc July 22, 2018 5:27 AM  

The Overton window is shifting I guess.

Gamergate, Trump, Comicsgate, Italy, Soy Wars tanking at the box office... and now pedogunn...

The people are noticing they can actually get revenge against the smug leftists that have been lecturing, insulting and harrassing them for years.

We're gonna have so much fun!

Blogger Franz Lyonheart July 22, 2018 5:39 AM  

What a moronic article, devoid of any intellectual reasoning. I wasn't aware of this cucky blog, called Reason no less. And written by the Associate Editor, no less. Of course, without the possibility to comment there. Can't have their Unreason shot to pieces on the same page...., those people are worse, and more harmful, than the Left.

Blogger Matrick July 22, 2018 5:47 AM  

I think it was the 'anons' on 4chan who did most of the work. They appear to be used to Cernovich taking credit.

Blogger Bradford Walker July 22, 2018 6:06 AM  

As Reason readers realize that cucking is sucking and sucking is losing, they will want to win- and come right they shall. They'll take their money with them, and that's when Reason will learn plainly the reason for the pain: No Bucks For Cucks.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 22, 2018 6:09 AM  

Franz Lyonheart wrote:Of course, without the possibility to comment there.

Not that I recommend you waste your time, but you can comment there. There are 269 comments there as I write this.

You have to click on the View Comments link to see them.

Blogger Stilicho July 22, 2018 6:11 AM  

It's worse than surrendering; it's providing aid and comfort to the enemy.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 22, 2018 6:12 AM  

As for Reason: "What a dull and unforgiving world the P.C. outrage mobs are creating for us."

Yes, it will be an awful world in which people can't make child porn jokes without reaping social consequences that may lead to someone not wanting them in their employ. Oh the horror.

Blogger Lazarus July 22, 2018 6:14 AM  

Making jokes about things that are taboo is the first step in normalizing such behavior. This I learned from observing lefties. That is why, so they say, racist jokes are taboo and free speech is hate speech.

So be it. If I can't tell ethnic jokes, you can't tell "jokes" about assaulting children.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim July 22, 2018 6:17 AM  

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Blogger Mark Stoval July 22, 2018 6:18 AM  

You have Reason, CATO, anything Koch, beltway libertarians, live and let live kids, fake libertarians, and more. Hans-Hermann Hoppe was has sliced and diced them all many times.

They are like the alt-retard, alt-lite, alt-thisandthat. People call themselves things they are not really.

In this case, the employer is reacting to things that the employee put on the internet that is very damaging to their brand. This is a legitimate reason to fire the man.

Besides, the hypocrisy of Donald Trump being smeared for some locker room talk about women years and years ago and now they want to say Gunn "has changed" and should be excused. What ass-hats.

Blogger Tim from Nashua July 22, 2018 6:18 AM  

People are flaming Ben Shapiro and no one is defending James Gunn, in the comments at Reason blog. Notice that James Gunn did a Non-apology apology, with a 'take my word for it' "that's not who I am anymore".

Blogger Daniel Caslaw July 22, 2018 6:23 AM  

People on Twitter have noticed that Rian Johnson's apparently deleting tweets too, for some odd reason -

https://twitter.com/cruciblemediatv/status/1020906606425399298
https://twitter.com/EnnieArdi/status/1020253373625520129

Blogger VD July 22, 2018 6:23 AM  

I think it was the 'anons' on 4chan who did most of the work. They appear to be used to Cernovich taking credit.

Cernovich isn't taking the credit. He's taking the heat. The media blames him and Jack in the hopes of preventing others with similar platforms from taking the news from the chans to the mainstream.

Blogger Zwiebel July 22, 2018 6:25 AM  

One thing I really don't get is this: "But he says they were intended as jokes, and there's really no reason to suspect otherwise."

There's no reason to suspect otherwise???! Have they READ the tweets?!?

Even if you're standing on principle, that guy's clearly into pedophilia. He should not be anywhere near kids or makers of kid products, such as Disney. Nope!

Blogger pdwalker July 22, 2018 6:28 AM  

@4 Bradford please cite evidence where he’s taking credit for this, or retract.

Blogger Pierre Truc July 22, 2018 6:39 AM  

> There's no reason to suspect otherwise???! Have they READ the tweets?!?

They have different morals.

Blogger Pierre Truc July 22, 2018 6:39 AM  

Also, I saw Cerno give credit to the chans in a tweet. So he's definitely not stealing the credit.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart July 22, 2018 6:49 AM  

@5 Duke, many thanks.

I looked around for a couple minutes and must admit I have overlooked it, indeed they've hidden it very well. Discussion there is btw all about Ben Shapiro, whether he's a cucky (they call that Putz over there, lol).

Most commenters arguments are about sentiment, which is hilarious for a blog that calls itself Reason.

Blogger Lazarus July 22, 2018 6:53 AM  

"that's not who I am anymore".

That's what William Munny said before he shot up Big Whiskey.

Blogger I DontTroll July 22, 2018 7:06 AM  

- Yes, men can be awarded child custody when their ex-wives-to-be have been psychopathic child abusers during the marriage, but that doesn't mean they should fight to get said custody.

- Yes, that 100% diverse American born of Sharia compliant genitalia in Mexico to Somali parents is shooting bullets in your general direction while his posse gang rapes your wife, but that doesn't mean you should shoot back. So far, it's just the tip, after all...

- Yes, the left has deplatformed, defunded, unpersoned, destroyed the lives and careers of multiple people that don't pass their 100% narrative purity tests, but that doesn't mean the right should strike back in kind.

I am glad that I hold these very valuable values. I will go to my grave one day with my bow-tie intact and unruffled.

Similarly, Bunty King: https://twitter.com/realbuntyking/status/1020967734346231808

I think he's in Canada, so I don't know if he has to go back. Are there any Canadians here?

Blogger Stilicho July 22, 2018 7:11 AM  

I wonder if there were Frenchmen during the Nazi occupation who opined that any Resistance reprisals against the Nazis made them no better than the Nazis... I also wonder how those cucks fared after the liberation...

Blogger SemiSpook37 July 22, 2018 7:11 AM  

@12

Could have something to do with the fact that there’s been some momentum gained behind boycotting Episode IX on account, in part, to his own dumbassery. Just a hunch.

Blogger tublecane July 22, 2018 7:12 AM  

In Rocky II, Rocky insists he isn't "punchy" when a director harasses him for flubbing lines because he can't read cue cards. He says he has what doctors call a relaxed brain. I submit that the author of this piece has a relaxed brain.

Firstly, they have the MSM habit of identifying anyone of the right as of the right. I doubt they do the same for leftists, though I'm not sure. But it's strange anyway, because libertarians are necessarily but I'd usually tend to be to the right of center according the the Current Year Overton Window. Unless they're just in it for the drugs and sex. Which may be true of Reason writers, but not all their readers.

About the "gasp," it would still be legitimate outrage if it were nothing but jokes. Considering there were hundreds of them and they hint at actual fascination and knowledge of that world rather than generic edginess. But just a little bit of research would tell you it wasn't just jokes. That he shared a naughty video and had contact with an actual child porn criminal. Doesn't really matter if the link was harmless. The person whom he referenced was HARMFUL.

Do we really care why rightist journalists went digging? That's a Who/Whom thing.

Why is it ironic that Gunn was defending this Duplass person?

Do they realize how little the right cares about Benji Shapiro?

Hypocrites? Maybe, but who cares. We're changing tactics. Let the left eat its own, and let us stand up for our own when the pendulum swings. Because it's not a double standard anymore. It's two standards. One for Us and one for Them.*

"Hey, did you know war involves killing? How can you be against murder and for war in some cases? What are you, a hypocrite?"

*Because of the recent unpersoning of Kipling, I have reread some of his poetry, including the excellent We and They.

Blogger tublecane July 22, 2018 7:15 AM  

@3- To be fair, that's how journalism works. They publicize things other people know. They don't have time to go compile stories on their own, inbetween banging sources and getting drunk.

Blogger tublecane July 22, 2018 7:19 AM  

@9- Better: we can tell racist jokes and they can't even mention sex or whatever else obsesses them.

That's what winning the Culture War looks like. You get to determine what's taboo, what's acceptable, what's admirable, what's on the line, what's a bit over the line, what's fighting words. You set the default.

Blogger James Chinery July 22, 2018 7:19 AM  

Cuckservatives are very unhappy when anyone does anything more effective than protest in a feeble and futile manner

They wish to conserve their ineffectiveness above all else.

Blogger tublecane July 22, 2018 7:25 AM  

@14- You have to understand how a Child of Reason operates. They say: "My official policy is to maintain the default assumption that he is telling the truth, until such time as he is proven a liar. Because it's possible he's telling the truth and would be unjust of me to assume otherwise. Also, I'd prefer to be given the benefit of the (especially if I were lying)."

Nevermind probability, suggestive evidence, hints and sixth sensations. They have their arbitrary nationalistic assumptions set by how they'd prefer reality to work.

Blogger Dirtnapninja July 22, 2018 7:25 AM  

In a sane society no one would care about James Gunns edgyboi twitter. But we are not in a sane society. We are at war, and Mr. Gunn is on the other side. That makes him a fair target.

Blogger Patrikbc July 22, 2018 7:26 AM  

This horse was pronounced dead on arrival?

Blogger tublecane July 22, 2018 7:27 AM  

@27- Oh crap, that's rationalistic assumptions. My autocorrect doesn't recognize that word, if it actually exists.

Blogger tublecane July 22, 2018 7:30 AM  

@21- Much of the French Resistance was commies, who unlike regular people were already inclined toward political violence. They didn't give a fig about killing Nazis. Nor did they care about killing Frenchmen to secure power after the war.

Blogger Uncle John's Band July 22, 2018 7:34 AM  

The language reveals that the intention is to deceive.

The "gasp" is the same tactic Benny used - downplay the severity to frame it as something other than it is. Notice that none of the pedo defenders ever describe the volume of material, quote egregious examples, or point out that despite Gunn having "changed", none of these were taken down until he was publicly exposed.

In addition to the endemic misuse of "right", it is interesting that "digging" up old tweets somehow invalidates the sentiment. They make it sound like scrolling through someone's timeline is cracking the Da Vinci code. The first thing anyone does when they screw up on social media is delete. Scanning tweets and clicking on a profile link are hardly a deep dive.

It is interesting that Duplass wanted to "engage" with Benny, who is still defending Gunn, despite Gunn self-immolating over wanting nothing to do with him.

The deception is too transparent. This is running interference for pedophiles in an attempt to move the Overton window. The reactions to Gunn's firing indicate it is intentional. It is uncertain if these writers desire to rape children themselves, but they clearly support a world where that is an option.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 22, 2018 7:36 AM  

Gunn's tweets reference violence and sexual assault against children. They are gross. But he says they were intended as jokes, and there's really no reason to suspect otherwise.

Wrong, there is every reason to suspect otherwise. One off color joke for shock value, may-be.

But a long series of jokes on the same topic indicate where a man's mind spends a lot it's time.

If I was James Gunn's garbageman, I wouldn't be surprised to find a large number of hard drives that had been smashed with sledgehammer on collection day this week.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len July 22, 2018 7:40 AM  

@23 - Does the state of their brains matter when no one at Reason has a spine?

Blogger Uncle John's Band July 22, 2018 7:48 AM  

@33. Cataline Sergius

This. When I was younger I had a friend who loved shock humor, but even he never went there. If you are reasonably normal, child rape isn't funny. It reminds me of that pedophile cartoonist who was banned here a while ago.

Regarding Gunn, it is the volume. There's been enough offender profiling to know that criminal deviance usually has a pattern of lower-level build beforehand. There's usually a fixation before action. My take is he wants to, probably has, and if he hasn't, it's only through willpower. Look at the physiognomy.

But trying to determine whether Gunn has offended or will in the future misses the larger point. If a people are serious about a taboo, they don't normalize it with humor.

Blogger tublecane July 22, 2018 7:50 AM  

@32- About moving the Overton Window, speculating on the next form of deviance to be defined down is a real sport. After trannies, what? You'd think pedophilia would be last, considering the ferocity of people's emotions on the subject. But apparently it's important to them.

Incest ("consanguinamity") has been pushed, as has "polyamory." But pedophilia has the inner track, I think. Perhaps accelerated because of Pizzagate and all the Noticing.

What is strategy? They go bottom-up, of course. Push acceptance on the youth. Not old men exploiting kiddies, but Hot Teacher and Handsome 20-something type stuff. Why deny horny 15 year-olds the joys of sex with adults who know what they're doing and aren't creepy?

They will also go about shielding themselves from criticism with race and other protected categories. Only racist white racists seek to deprive the vibrant of the expression of their culture.

Blogger Pierre Truc July 22, 2018 7:51 AM  

Stilicho wrote:I wonder if there were Frenchmen during the Nazi occupation who opined that any Resistance reprisals against the Nazis made them no better than the Nazis...

Before the war, many saw the nazi military building up and warned that it wouldn't end well... but the cucks prevailed. I'll refer you to Churchill's famous appeasement speech.

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”

During the occupation, it was a bit of a mess. Whenever the resistance blew up something, the nazis would round up a random bunch of people in the nearest village and shoot them... this also caused some people to rat out resistants to the nazis in retaliation to such shootings.

It is often said that resistants were communists, and that the "far-right" all collaborated with the nazis, this is false.

On the right, some French nazis collaborated, but the patriotic and nationalist section of the right was (obviously) against a foreign invasion, so they were a large part of the resistance. The media never talks about this, of course.

The Germany-USSR Non-aggression pact (and the Soviet invasion of Poland) really screwed the communists. They splintered in '39. Some were all for respecting the pact and they wanted negociation with the nazis. The government then dissolved the PCF and arrested some of the leaders. The commies needed a while to sort themselves out and only joined the resistance in good numbers 2 years later, in 41.

See writings from historian Stéphane Courtois.

Blogger Patrikbc July 22, 2018 8:01 AM  

I think for many, it doesn’t matter if they were jokes, or what side of the political spectrum the person belongs to. Some jokes will land your ass in serious trouble. I love my brother, but if he made a joke about banging my wife, I’d punch him in the mouth, a joke about banging my kids, I’d bury him in the woods.

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 22, 2018 8:25 AM  

When Paula Deen, Mel Gibson, Sir Tim Hunt, Donald Trump, or a hundred others said something, that was a window to their soul. We were told that we can know from one slip -- sometimes one word -- that they're secretly the worst people ever, and we must act accordingly to protect society. When James Gunn tweets over and over about how much he likes raping kids, well, come on, he's just joking.

One dumbass on reddit this morning actually brought up the "admitted rapist" thing about Trump, apparently not realizing that by the logic they applied to one locker-room boast, his hero Gunn is an admitted child molester many times over.

Blogger tuberman July 22, 2018 8:30 AM  

UJB

"The deception is too transparent. This is running interference for pedophiles in an attempt to move the Overton window. The reactions to Gunn's firing indicate it is intentional. It is uncertain if these writers desire to rape children themselves, but they clearly support a world where that is an option."

The last part of this is certainly true, and perhaps all of it.

Blogger Taignobias July 22, 2018 8:31 AM  

"Out of the overflow of a man's heart, his mouth speaks."

Blogger Dire Badger July 22, 2018 8:41 AM  

As war goes on, the more you must learn from your enemy's tactics, and the more like them you become in order to win.
It is not Hypocrisy. It is reality.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 22, 2018 8:44 AM  

The crowd over at that comment section was about as expected, Libertarians for dialog not freedom, the usual right of center crowd.

They wanted to get their axles wrapped around the human hypocrisy angle. I look at it this way which of course makes me a bad, bad libertarian, I want my freedom from the Left and that will take conflict, dialog being at most a tactic not an end state. Of course Reason is just another shitty swamp creature "freedom" is probably not even in their vocabulary.

Blogger pyrrhus July 22, 2018 8:46 AM  

Reason magazine has always been weak on sexual boundaries, which suggests to me that these libertarians are anything but actually opposed to pedophilia, regardless of their personal proclivities.....

Blogger cavalier973 July 22, 2018 9:05 AM  

"Conservatives who participated in the lynch mob against Gunn are hypocrites..."

You ain't the boss 'o me.

Blogger Avalanche July 22, 2018 9:08 AM  

@35 "If you are reasonably normal, child rape isn't funny."

I can't remember where I saw it (sorry, it was a bit traumatic), but there was a report by one child star (from the 50s or 60s?) who has 'come out' on the sexual abuse of children in PedoWood back then. (She was somewhat protected from it by her hovering stage mother 90, as I remember her tale.) Another little girl she was in shows with was continually abused and raped -- that little girl died, still only a preteen, of SEPSIS! Sepsis is systemic internal infection -- caused, this report said, by the continual raping (causing internal injuries, allowing infection to catch hold and spread) of this young girl by adult men.

I want pedos pulled out in the street and set on fire.

Blogger Avalanche July 22, 2018 9:17 AM  

@36 "You'd think pedophilia would be last, considering the ferocity of people's emotions on the subject."

Tublecane, you've entirely left out bestiality -- or is "noticing" that now considered racist? (Oh, wait: Muzzie is NOT a race!) There might-could-be a question if it is "racial" since it appears to be largely Arab and negro. (What about "asians" as the Brits call them? Guess they mainly like little White (and, to a much lesser extent, Sikh) girls?!) Except, as I understand, bestiality IS provided for in Muzzie "literature."

I suppose it COULD be that bestiality is now too common to be a problem? ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2352779/Bestiality-brothels-spreading-Germany-campaigner-claims-abusers-sex-animals-lifestyle-choice.html ) We're told you must now ask a pre-verbal infant if it wants its diaper changed, but animals are fair 'game'? (Pun intended.)

Blogger Desillusionerad July 22, 2018 9:21 AM  

I'm totally with them on the whole people "shouldn't" be fired for jokes on twitter. But that's just way, way, past the due date.
Like a decade or so.
Civility requires positive commitment from everyone, once it breaks down, well then it's lex talonis.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 22, 2018 9:50 AM  

I never thought I would come to the point of utterly despising Libertarians and the libertarian party. But here we are. A thorough investigation would turn up quite a few pedophiles at Libertarian HQ, and I'd start with Arvin Vohra.

He has to go back.

Blogger Robert What? July 22, 2018 10:01 AM  

@Frank Lyonheart

"Of course, without the possibility to comment there"

With very few exceptions (Patrick Buchanan being one of them) I don't visit blogs or sites that don't permit comments. If they are not interested in their readers' points of view I'm not interested in theirs.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( don't ask, "Who mentats the Mentats?", ask instead, "Who shitpoasts the Shitpoasters?" ) July 22, 2018 10:03 AM  

VD
One of the nice things about being an ex-libertarian



wut? a Nationalist Libertarian no more?

so, what do we refer to you as now?

Blogger VD July 22, 2018 10:27 AM  

so, what do we refer to you as now?

Supreme Dark Lord.

Blogger Uncle John's Band July 22, 2018 10:28 AM  

@36. tublecane

"Perhaps accelerated because of Pizzagate and all the Noticing"

This is probable. The problem for them is the depth of the revulsion. They've worked to sexualize children for a long time and feelings like Avalanche's @46 are still the norm. Pedophilia evokes a visceral rage in me like few other things, and that seems pretty typical.

Vox has been correct in pointing out that exposure will be beyond devastating. So hitting the afterburners now is self-destructive enough to argue that pedo culture is sufficiently normalized in entertainment circles that no one even sees a problem.

Related: it struck me that (((Billy Madison))) made a joke about the principle not being allowed to be with children off hours. But no one cares, and when he is blackmailed, it is for an accidental death in a wrestling match, and he turns out to be a hero. They even cast a pedoface if I recall. This is the sort of subtle normalization under the guise of "humor" that these demons are defending under "conservative principles."

Blogger Darwinite July 22, 2018 10:32 AM  

One bit of rhetoric I’ve found quite powerful in breaking Shapiro’s spell over young Trump supporters is “Shapiro still owes Lewandowski an apology”. The more they remember and look into the facts, and observe the continuing pattern of behavior, the more they come to despise him. “Dork Web” works well, too.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 22, 2018 10:36 AM  

Shapiro's defense of Gunn will be his undoing, especially with the contrast of his defense of the opposite when it comes to Roseanne. I have posted this on Instagram, and got likes from people I didn't know were even familiar with Shapiro at all.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( don't ask, "Who mentats the Mentats?", ask instead, "Who shitpoasts the Shitpoasters?" ) July 22, 2018 10:40 AM  

that's not a political orientation, silly.

but, if that's what you want, Supreme Dork Lord it is.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 22, 2018 10:41 AM  

Uncle Jon's Band,

I remember that scene. I was home schooled, and raised with the knowledge of how evil public schools were, so I saw the joke in Billy Madison and thought "yep. They get it."

Blogger English Tom July 22, 2018 10:42 AM  

@Tublecane

What do you mean, Kipling was unpersoned?

The blasphemy!

Blogger English Tom July 22, 2018 10:45 AM  

@Dirtnapninja

In a sane society no one would write the types of tweets Gunn (and Black) wrote.

Blogger kurt9 July 22, 2018 10:52 AM  

Well, as Glenn Reynolds (who IS libertarian) would say: Punch back twice as hard.

Blogger English Tom July 22, 2018 10:55 AM  

@Avalanche

You're criticising bestiality? You animalist!

Blogger I DontTroll July 22, 2018 10:59 AM  

Are the left going to eat Disney over this?

This is starting to make the rounds:
https://twitter.com/j_brewster/status/1020419128190889984

Did I correctly read this as a defense of Gunn or am I sperging? At 9.3k likes and counting it's making my head spin if they are defending him.

Blogger Cloudbuster July 22, 2018 11:20 AM  

"Of course, without the possibility to comment there"

There are about 275 comments to that article. All Reason articles have a comment section.

Blogger Damelon Brinn July 22, 2018 11:33 AM  

@14, No, I don't think most of the people complaining about this have read the tweets. I went looking for them, and of course they weren't on the MSM sites that came up, just articles talking about how they were just tasteless jokes, he already apologized, old news, blah blah blah. No one's seen them who didn't go looking for them.

People should read them. I was honestly taken aback, because I assumed I'd find a few jokes. I enjoy quite a bit of tasteless humor, but that's not really what I saw there. And that's why Disney and Gunn acted so quickly. The longer this is talked about, the more people will read them.

Blogger Lance E July 22, 2018 11:34 AM  

Remember all those times Reason magazine editors published impassioned think-pieces defending the hundreds of right-wingers who got fired from their jobs for political reasons?

No? Hmm.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 July 22, 2018 11:39 AM  

"Expel the wicked person from among you." 1 Cor 5:13

If the Right had followed these 'intolerant' commandments from the beginning, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Blogger Pierre Truc July 22, 2018 11:47 AM  

I DontTroll wrote:
This is starting to make the rounds.

Did I correctly read this as a defense of Gunn or am I sperging? At 9.3k likes and counting it's making my head spin if they are defending him.


Indeed, it is a defense of Gunn. It features various examples of past wrongthink from Disney (like "racisss" cartoons).

Blogger Dos Voltz July 22, 2018 11:51 AM  

I think I started getting the creeps with libertarianism and the REASON mag folks because that Nick Gillespie dude would never wear anything but a black leather overcoat, like he was the Fonz or something.

Something about those kind of folks (Gloria Allred, e.g.) who NEVER change their wardrobe is weird to me. Ya know how there's that theory of physiognomy pedo-face? Well there must also be some kind of correlation between people who dress obsessively and their dopey political ideas on how society ought to function.

Just creepy, man. Who's got a theory?

Blogger dienw July 22, 2018 11:59 AM  

tublecane wrote:@21- Much of the French Resistance was commies, who unlike regular people were already inclined toward political violence. They didn't give a fig about killing Nazis. Nor did they care about killing Frenchmen to secure power after the war.

It has stated that the French women who collaborated let us say with the Nazi had their heads shaved after the was as a mark of shame; in the same film I saw, the commentator declared that many of the "patriots" who did the shaving were also collaborators.

Blogger Uncle John's Band July 22, 2018 12:03 PM  

@68. Dos Voltz

Looks like a parallel between abnormal rigidity in self-image and in political theory. A reality-facing person grows and changes over time, with new knowledge and circumstances. Their personal style and political attitudes evolve organically. These "theoreticians" are intellectually frozen - maybe their identity similarly brittle.

They do worship an abstract image over anything objective.

Blogger Uncle John's Band July 22, 2018 12:05 PM  

I think worship is more apt than I thought at first. Their adherence to "reason" or "principle" is closer to faith then anything empirical. From the perspective of faith-based purity, an instinctive resistance to change makes more sense.

Blogger Dos Voltz July 22, 2018 12:11 PM  

Thank you, Uncle John. Very insightful.

Blogger Pierre Truc July 22, 2018 12:11 PM  

dienw wrote:It has stated that the French women who collaborated let us say with the Nazi had their heads shaved after the was as a mark of shame

"Collaboration" is not the right word... the women who had their heads shaved were the ones who were dating/screwing Germans actually.

Blogger Valiant July 22, 2018 12:12 PM  

Cernovich has stated that it was his supporters and followers that sent him the information. That he had not been aware of Gunn before that. Cernovich has not taken credit for doing the research.

Blogger Doktor Jeep July 22, 2018 12:54 PM  

To the left I would say "Sorry but since the mere shadow of a possibility of saying the wring thing once is enough to destroy one of my people in this game you started, then we have no problem making you people sleep with the corpse. You picked a fight with a superior race and gender and your tactics will be improved and used against you. 10 anons doing a deep search will out class 10000 fat blue-haired SJWs doing Google searches and smelling each others farts any time.

Blogger Michael Maier July 22, 2018 12:55 PM  

Zwiebel wrote:One thing I really don't get is this: "But he says they were intended as jokes, and there's really no reason to suspect otherwise."

There's no reason to suspect otherwise???! Have they READ the tweets?!?

Even if you're standing on principle, that guy's clearly into pedophilia. He should not be anywhere near kids or makers of kid products, such as Disney. Nope!


Yeah, I tend to try to believe the best of people. And I'm into twisted humour.

But who the Hell compares a weak hotel shower to a 3rd old pissing on him? Why would that ever occur to anyone?

Blogger MendoScot July 22, 2018 1:05 PM  

When I was young a book of cartoons came out, "101 uses for a dead baby". I read it, and it varied from "yeeech" to "I can't believe that I laughed at that". Regardless, the intent to humour was obvious in all the panels.

I've read the posted Gunn's tweets and there is no intent to humour that I can detect.

As a father my attitudes have changed, but all I am picking up from his posts is sickness.

Blogger Difster July 22, 2018 1:49 PM  

If the tweets were just a joke, why would he have to say he's a very different person now? If they were harmless, they were harmless. Of course the tweets were a joke, but people joke about their sick predilections.

Blogger wisdom wizard July 22, 2018 2:12 PM  

The idiots at Kiwi Farms have a hard time grasping this as well.


https://kiwifarms.net/threads/james-gunn-fired-from-disney-for-years-old-offensive-tweets.45705/page-14

Blogger AbsurdityIsPeace July 22, 2018 2:22 PM  

The thing is, Gunn made many more offensive tweets (mocking even trannies, no less), and you could tell he was trying to be funny through edge. These pedo tweets, however, simply look like he was indulging in his fetishes.

Blogger Rule of Wrist July 22, 2018 2:34 PM  

I could be mistaken, but I think there's a little more to this argument than the traditional cuckservative argument against effective tactics.

I think the cucks may be trying to set the stage to apply a slippery slope argument to the Gunn Event. That argument would go like "Since Gunn made a quality movie in GoTG1, and quality movies are so rare from Hollywood anymore, we should be careful about judging him so harshly! We'll not have any good entertainment at all anymore if we start burning hollywood types for every little thing!"

The thing is though, Hollywood, like the MSM, needs to be utterly broken and destroyed. It is beyond saving and needs to be burned to the ground, to hell with whatever little entertainments are destroyed in the process. Going back to the old order where the populace is completely dulled by the bread and circuses put out by Hollywood and major sports has been disrupted by the GEOTUS, and we need to avoid the public going back to sleep like that ever again.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 22, 2018 2:45 PM  

@8 Lazarus

Bingo. That's it. "Just a 'joke', goy!" Is the thin end of the wedge. Mockery is both a tool of deconstruction and a demonstration of power -- you can mock Christianity or Evil Whitey all you want, but mock blacks, or the holy 6 million? No -- because those are sacred in the current year. Of course, in this case, they're using "humor" to break down a taboo, rather than "de-sacralize" something, but the principle is the same.

What the "REASONable" people are saying is, effectively, "our enemies' taboos should be enforced, but not our own." So we can "lose gracefully," or something. F##k that. Hammer 'em.

"Tolerance" is not a virtue, whether in the Orwellian sense the Left uses the term, or the (apparently literal) understanding that the cucks have of its meaning.

Taboos are a universal feature of human societies. If you refuse to enforce your taboos, while allowing the enemy to enforce its own (and even assisting in that enforcement), you are simply giving up -- refusing to fight. There is nothing noble about that..

Blogger tublecane July 22, 2018 2:45 PM  

@58- At some university or other Students of Vibrancy covered a plaque or mural or something of If... with Maya Angelou crap.

Blogger Resident Moron™ July 22, 2018 2:45 PM  

As Alinsky said, the action is the reaction.

I could hardly care less about some Hollywood asshole getting canned, but the scum that’s come out trying to defend him has been very revealing.

Blogger tublecane July 22, 2018 2:49 PM  

@69- There are different forms of collaboration. Women who slept with Nazis got off easy having their heads shaved compared to the men who were lined up and shot.

Blogger AnvilTiger July 22, 2018 2:50 PM  

About 10 years ago I predicted that by 2020 there would be a sitcom about a gay in New York having a pet sheep in his apartment, and there would be running jokes about his relationship with the sheep. If HC had been elected, that might have come true. But think now with the cultural shift they wouldn't dare produce that.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 22, 2018 2:54 PM  

@32
In addition to the endemic misuse of "right", it is interesting that "digging" up old tweets somehow invalidates the sentiment

If it's someone the progressive establishment wants to take down, then how the information was acquired (or even if it's valid) is entirely irrelevant -- it's the content that matters. If it's someone they want to protect, then the process of acquisition is the story, and the actual content is ignored. See also Clinton, Hillary.

Blogger tublecane July 22, 2018 2:57 PM  

@81- That quality of his movies argument is typical of politics in the PC era. Because it's not about aesthetics but pleasure. If you've ever wondered why politics is so sex-obsessed, realize it's because us moderns run on emotion and most of us live comparatively meaningless and hopeless lives. Pleasure is all we have.

Take aware our means of getting off, so to speak, and what do we have, those of us who live for nothing else? The abyss.

Too many people defend Gunn because they don't want to be deprived of funny comic book movies. Hours and halves in their seats, not having to worry about the emptiness where a soul should be.

Blogger Matamoros July 22, 2018 3:01 PM  

Wonder of wonders, I see Glenn Beck is defending Gunn:

https://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/07/21/glenn-beck-defends-james-gunn-after-disney-firing-over-child-rape-tweets-we-all-make-mistakes/

Blogger bob kek mando - ( don't ask, "Who mentats the Mentats?", ask instead, "Who shitpoasts the Shitpoasters?" ) July 22, 2018 5:56 PM  

76. Michael Maier July 22, 2018 12:55 PM
But who the Hell compares a weak hotel shower to a 3rd old pissing on him? Why would that ever occur to anyone?



because he takes pictures of himself holding up a boxed frozen pizza. with the rather prominent label, "Cheese Pizza".

i had thought it was creepy enough if he was doing that as a 'joke' after the whole Comet Ping Pong thing blew up, but if that pic was from years BEFORE the whole pizza == pedo thing hit the internet, then it becomes TRULY freaky.

Blogger I DontTroll July 22, 2018 6:36 PM  

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Blogger I DontTroll July 22, 2018 6:39 PM  

Is Dan Harmon next?

https://twitter.com/MargaretsBelly/status/1021161737809260546

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 22, 2018 6:46 PM  

Disney didn't think the tweets were harmless. Disney thought, "Oh my God, he's put the hounds right on our trail!"

Blogger Al Du Clur July 22, 2018 10:47 PM  

“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” Vladimir Lenin


More people are noticing that the approved opposition is not an opposition. Leading column at Unz on Benjie being a leftist tool. Doesn't focus on the tribe but any article exposing these frauds is a step in the right direction.


http://www.unz.com/article/public-education-ben-shapiro-and-the-trojan-horse-in-our-culture/

Blogger rycamor July 23, 2018 1:21 AM  

I DontTroll wrote:Is Dan Harmon next?

https://twitter.com/MargaretsBelly/status/1021161737809260546


In those twitter comments someone linked a sort of safe-for-work version of the video with some commentary. Keep heavy objects out of reach while watching because you will want to throw things. Rick & Morty has a Pedo Problem

Do all these guys expect us to believe there was just an "innocent" explanation for this stuff? It's just edgy humor that we bourgeois family people can't grasp?

Again, it looks like the video in question was made a few years ago. 2012? Peak Pedo USA? What was going on around then?

I'm honestly starting to wonder if the word was sent out through whatever channels that it was time to test the waters with this stuff.

Blogger I DontTroll July 23, 2018 4:59 AM  

This is a modern-day Golem story. The left spent recent history building their narrative, beating down anyone who commits the smallest infractions against their protected classes. Now it is turning on them and eating them alive and they can't stop it.

Blogger CM July 23, 2018 8:49 AM  

Idiots at Reason are just ecstatic that they finally have hard evidence that the right is as bad as the left... so now they can side with left without losing "libertarian" credentials.

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