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Monday, July 16, 2018

Ron Unz contemplates his childhood religion

It doesn't take a genius to see that this article by Ron Unz on Judaism is going to prove highly controversial in conservative circles. But the truth is what it is, not what we would prefer it to be, so if you take any issue with it, or if you feel the need to run around shrieking about the anti-semitism of self-hating Jews, then I suggest you take it up with either Mr. Unz or Mr. Shahak. All I can say is that if you think this article is shocking, you don't know religious history very well and you're probably in for a real treat down the road. As I said before, it's not merely non-Christians who are going to have a very difficult time with the light of truth being shined in so many dark places these days.
I must emphasize that I cannot directly vouch for Shahak’s claims about Judaism. My own knowledge of that religion is absolutely negligible, mostly being limited to my childhood, when my grandmother occasionally managed to drag me down to services at the local synagogue, where I was seated among a mass of elderly men praying and chanting in some strange language while wearing various ritualistic cloths and religious talismans, an experience that I always found much less enjoyable than my usual Saturday morning cartoons..... Essentially almost everything I had known—or thought I had known—about the religion of Judaism, at least in its zealously Orthodox traditional form, was utterly wrong.

For example, traditionally religious Jews pay little attention to most of the Old Testament, and even very learned rabbis or students who have devoted many years to intensive study may remain largely ignorant of its contents. Instead, the center of their religious world view is the Talmud, an enormously large, complex, and somewhat contradictory mass of secondary writings and commentary built up over many centuries, which is why their religious doctrine is sometimes called “Talmudic Judaism.” Among large portions of the faithful, the Talmud is supplemented by the Kabala, another large collection of accumulated writings, mostly focused on mysticism and all sorts of magic. Since these commentaries and interpretations represent the core of the religion, much of what everyone takes for granted in the Bible is considered in a very different manner.

Given the nature of the Talmudic basis of traditional Judaism and my total previous ignorance of the subject, any attempt on my part of summarize some of the more surprising aspects of Shahak’s description may be partially garbled, and is certainly worthy of correction by someone better versed in that dogma. And given that so many parts of the Talmud are highly contradictory and infused with complex mysticism, it would be impossible for someone like me to attempt to disentangle the seeming inconsistencies that I am merely repeating. I should note that although Shahak’s description of the beliefs and practices of Talmudic Judaism evoked a fire-storm of denunciations, few of those harsh critics seem to have denied his very specific claims, including the most astonishing ones, which would seem to strengthen his credibility.

On the most basic level, the religion of most traditional Jews is actually not at all monotheistic, but instead contains a wide variety of different male and female gods, having quite complex relations to each other, with these entities and their properties varying enormously among the numerous different Jewish sub-sects, depending upon which portions of the Talmud and the Kabala they place uppermost. For example, the traditional Jewish religious cry “The Lord Is One” has always been interpreted by most people to be an monotheistic affirmation, and indeed, many Jews take exactly this same view. But large numbers of other Jews believe this declaration instead refers to achievement of sexual union between the primary male and female divine entities. And most bizarrely, Jews having such radically different views see absolutely no difficulty in praying side by side, and merely interpreting their identical chants in very different fashion.

Furthermore, religious Jews apparently pray to Satan almost as readily as they pray to God, and depending upon the various rabbinical schools, the particular rituals and sacrifices they practice may be aimed at enlisting the support of the one or the other. Once again, so long as the rituals are properly followed, the Satan-worshippers and the God-worshippers get along perfectly well and consider each other equally pious Jews, merely of a slightly different tradition. One point that Shahak repeatedly emphasizes is that in traditional Judaism the nature of the ritual itself is absolutely uppermost, while the interpretation of the ritual is rather secondary. So perhaps a Jew who washes his hands three times clockwise might be horrified by another who follows a counter-clockwise direction, but whether the hand-washing were meant to honor God or to honor Satan would be hardly be a matter of much consequence.

Strangely enough, many of the traditional rituals are explicitly intended to fool or trick God or His angels or sometimes Satan, much like the mortal heroes of some Greek legend might seek to trick Zeus or Aphrodite. For example, certain prayers must be uttered in Aramaic rather than Hebrew on the grounds that holy angels apparently don’t understand the former language, and their confusion allows those verses to slip by unimpeded and take effect without divine interference....

And while religious Judaism has a decidedly negative view towards all non-Jews, Christianity in particular is regarded as a total abomination, which must be wiped from the face of the earth.

Whereas pious Muslims consider Jesus the holy prophet of God and Muhammed’s immediate predecessor, according to the Jewish Talmud, Jesus is perhaps the vilest being who ever lived, condemned to spend eternity in the bottommost pit of Hell, immersed in a boiling vat of excrement. Religious Jews regard the Muslim Quran as just another book, though a totally mistaken one, but the Christian Bible represents purest evil, and if circumstances permit, burning Bibles is a very praiseworthy act. Pious Jews are also enjoined to always spit three times at any cross or church they encounter, and direct a curse at all Christian cemeteries. Indeed, many deeply religious Jews utter a prayer each and every day for the immediate extermination of all Christians.
 And remember, this is the religion of Ben Shapiro, which is why it is patently obvious that there is not, and has never been any such thing as "Judeo-Christianity", a "Judeo-Christian ethic", or a "Judeo-Christian heritage". It would certainly be very interesting to debate shifty little Benny and see just how much he knows about the faith he so publicly professes.

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Blogger #7139 July 16, 2018 10:34 AM  

... is going to prove highly controversial....
You might say that.

Blogger Bobiojimbo July 16, 2018 10:35 AM  

This puts new light on certain scripture. Thank you

Blogger The Kurgan July 16, 2018 10:36 AM  

Dovetails well with my own personal experience of working with Orthodox Jews.

Blogger Dave July 16, 2018 10:47 AM  

"little Benny"

I had no idea umtil I saw the pic of JBP towering over Shapiro.

Maybe benny would agree to debade if we crowdfund $25k to the winner's charity of choice a la Cernovich?

Blogger VD July 16, 2018 10:48 AM  

Benny wouldn't debate me if you offered $250k to his childrens' college fund.

Blogger wreckage July 16, 2018 10:53 AM  

In other words, the Old Testament priesthood, who put so much effort into stamping out the polytheistic sects and the Asherah-Yahweh (goddess of F*, god of Kill) notion of the "unity" of God, ultimately failed...

Blogger Vessimede Barstool July 16, 2018 10:54 AM  

Benny is a seriously devout, Orthodox Jew. He doesn't even have the excuse of ignorance, bear in mind next time you see some Christian, conservative cuck sucking his dick.

I know nothing, and could care less, about Judaism. I assumed Kabbalah had something to do with Satanism and sex as so many Hollywood thots are into it. But wow, that article was something else.

Blogger AbsurdityIsPeace July 16, 2018 10:58 AM  

And remember, this is the religion of Ben Shapiro

What's the chance that he knows nothing about these traditions and beliefs? When I used to listen to him, he would quote the OT occasionally and even defend Christians.

Blogger FrankNorman July 16, 2018 11:05 AM  

Well... wow. They literally pray to Satan???
How would any of this stuff have been kept under wraps, if true?

Blogger English Tom July 16, 2018 11:09 AM  

The Jewish Talmud. The book that makes Hitler's Mein Kampf look like the handbook for egalitarian equality and inclusion. The jews have turned away from God and their punishment will be severe. Here's to that day.

Blogger Vessimede Barstool July 16, 2018 11:12 AM  

@wahr01 why not share with us the many factual errors Mr. Unz is guilty of? Your response is entirely rhetorical, Mr. Unz seems nothing like an SJW to me.

Blogger VD July 16, 2018 11:12 AM  

How would any of this stuff have been kept under wraps, if true?

Shameless lying. Why do you think the Inquisitions were established in the first place? Also, no one ever bothers to question the narrative. Just poor innocent people who never did nobody any harm, getting picked on for no good reason over 300 times in recorded history.

Blogger VD July 16, 2018 11:13 AM  

And thus began a multi-paragraph prognositcation based upon this foundation of sand.

You're lying. Don't comment here again. I do not permit liars to comment here. Nothing in the article was based on Unz's childhood experience.

Blogger English Tom July 16, 2018 11:13 AM  

@Frank Norman

Re: how has it been kept under wraps that jews serve Satan.

It's easy when you create money out of thin air, when you own the media that promotes your satanic agenda, and very easy when you provide children to traitors to humanity (politicians) so they can then push through as law your satanic agenda. Yes. Very easy.

Blogger Peter Gent July 16, 2018 11:13 AM  

Bobiojimbo wrote:This puts new light on certain scripture. Thank you
Would you be thinking of Revelation 3:9 "I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you."

Blogger SirHamster July 16, 2018 11:16 AM  

wreckage wrote:In other words, the Old Testament priesthood, who put so much effort into stamping out the polytheistic sects and the Asherah-Yahweh (goddess of F*, god of Kill) notion of the "unity" of God, ultimately failed...

Jesus did not fail. These are the rejects.

Blogger Al Du Clur July 16, 2018 11:25 AM  

"many deeply religious Jews utter a prayer each and every day for the immediate extermination of all Christians."

LOL. Evangelicals pride themselves on being Jews' bitch and love Jews and Israel more than they care about the fate of their descendants and possibly more than they live Jesus. Most Evangelicals worship Jews to such a degree that one can't in all honesty consider them monotheistic.

Christianity may be dying but its destruction isn't without its humorous side.

Ron has been doing a great job lately with his American Pravda but I wouldn't be surprised if he is Daily Stormered from the web soon or found Clintoned.

Blogger VD July 16, 2018 11:27 AM  

Ron has been doing a great job lately with his American Pravda but I wouldn't be surprised if he is Daily Stormered from the web soon or found Clintoned.

That would TOTALLY prove how wrong he was about his co-religionists....

Blogger Jew613 July 16, 2018 11:29 AM  

No what he is saying is not true.

Blogger Jack July 16, 2018 11:32 AM  

This blog has been very helpful to me and probably many others in understanding true religious history. Vox is correct that there is no Jesus plus Talmud heritage or tradition, and thus no "Judeo-Christianity" as commonly understood. However, there were individuals of Jewish descendent who followed the Jewish law that also believed Jesus was the Messiah. In academic circles, these traditions (such as the Ebionities and Nazarenes) are referred to as Judeo-Christians. While they had little impact on Christianity and Judiasm today, the Judeo-Christians were instrumental in the formation of Islam.

Blogger Phelps July 16, 2018 11:33 AM  

@6 In other words, the Old Testament priesthood, who put so much effort into stamping out the polytheistic sects and the Asherah-Yahweh (goddess of F*, god of Kill) notion of the "unity" of God, ultimately failed...

It didn't even work at the time. Remember, while Moses was up on the mountain, and they were literally hearing God talk to him they were busying themselves melting down their gold to make a pagan idol.

Blogger Matamoros July 16, 2018 11:33 AM  

@ 16 "Jesus did not fail. These are the rejects."

For a better understanding of this read Don K. Preston's "Who Is This Babylon"

From another source, something to think about:

KOHN, MONSIGNOR

Archbishop of Clnots in Austria-Hungary and the grandson of a converted Jew. In 1892 in the course of a reply to Catholics who objected that Jews were the principal cause of social disorder and unrest, Archbishop Kohn pointed out that Catholics would never have groaned under the tyranny of the Jews if only they had observed the proscriptions of the Church. The Church, said the Archbishop, had always been tolerant as regards the Jews, as they had themselves fully recognized, but it had never been approved of Christians living with them on the footing of equality, still less union. He briefly summarized the chief precepts of the Canon Laws of the Church still in force as follows:

1. Jews cannot employ Christians in domestic service nor ought Catholics to accept any salaried employment by Jews.

2. Catholic women are especially forbidden to accept positions as nurses in Jewish households.

3. Catholics are forbidden to receive the attention of Jewish doctors or to take medicine prepared by a Jew.

4. Catholics are forbidden on pain of excommunication to dwell under the same roof or to live in the same family with Jews.

5. An obligation exists to see that Jews to not exercise any public function nor take authority over Catholics.

6. Catholics are forbidden to be present at Jewish marriages.

Blogger dienw July 16, 2018 11:36 AM  

FrankNorman wrote:Well... wow. They literally pray to Satan???
How would any of this stuff have been kept under wraps, if true?


Easy:
>First and foremost are the damned bible commentators/translators who use the words "Jewish" and "Jews" in place of Hebrew and Aramaic, even Greek words for Judeans, Judahites,Israelites, and the Pharisees.
>The term "jew" has two meanings: the primary definition refers to the actual Judahites and their descendants; the secondary to the Pharisees; since approximately 1800, the secondary meaning is the dominate meaning used; however, Pharisees have deliberately hidden themselves behind the first.
>By confusing the meaning, the goy came to believe anybody who calls himself a jew is a Judahite despite the fact that nearly 90% of the so-called Jews are Japhethite Ashkenazim/Khazar or Edomites. To call the former tribes Semites is equivalent to calling the Navajo Indians Semites if the tribe's chief and elders decided for geo-political reasons to convert to Talmudic/Kabbala Judaism; however, one cannot underestimate the gullibility of biblically illiterate Christians to swallow anything: see Roman Babylonianism.






Blogger Cyril July 16, 2018 11:38 AM  

My understanding of much about the Jews has been crystallizing lately. I suspect that two groups emerged from Babylonian captivity - one serving God - the other caught up in a Babylonian mystery religion. The latter is expressed in the Talmud, Kabbalah, etc., is expressly Satanic and is characterized by Jesus Christ in Rev 3:9 expressly as a church of Satan.

Blogger Dave July 16, 2018 11:38 AM  

Benny wouldn't debate me if you offered $250k to his childrens' college fund.

Yeah, what was I thinking.


For example, certain prayers must be uttered in Aramaic rather than Hebrew on the grounds that holy angels apparently don’t understand the former language, and their confusion allows those verses to slip by unimpeded and take effect without divine interference....

Oh FFS

Blogger Allen Skeens July 16, 2018 11:44 AM  

That was foe wahr.

Blogger Shimshon July 16, 2018 11:45 AM  

"How would any of this stuff have been kept under wraps, if true?"

That's because it's not true.

And even where there's a kernel of truth, it's misleading. Case in point. Onkelos, a well-known convert, sought through sorcery, before conversion, some sort of knowledge on Judaism. That's what the Talmud says. Because this story is in the Talmud, it is now cited as evidence that Judaism endorses and its adherents engage in sorcery. How is this anything but a distortion if not an outright falsehood?

Blogger szopen July 16, 2018 11:47 AM  

There is another book by Mark Paul, "Traditional Jewish Attitudes Towards Poles". It quotes Israel Shahak extensively, but it also provides plethora of other examples (as, for example, tradition on spitting on new testament, crucifix or while passing next to the church. Or spitting on Christian nuns, monks and priests in modern Israel. Or burning new testament copies.

Below verbatim a quote from one of such incidents, quoted from Israeli newspaper:

A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government
office in Jerusalem’s Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a
skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby
spat in his face.


The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind.


For the most part, they ignore it but sometimes they cannot.


On Sunday, a fracas developed when a yeshiva student spat at the cross being carried by the Armenian Archbishop during a procession near the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City. The archbishop’s 17th-century cross was broken during the brawl and he slapped the yeshiva student.


Both were questioned by police and the yeshiva student will be brought to trial. But the Armenians are far from satisfied by the police action and say this sort of thing has been going on for years. Archbishop Nourhan Manougian says he expects the education minister to say
something.



“When there is an attack against Jews anywhere in the world, the Israeli government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don’t they take harsher measures?” he asks.


I've read also before several examples of such behavior in pre-war Poland in books by historian Marek Chodakiewicz.

Blogger Shimshon July 16, 2018 11:47 AM  

Vox is correct that Benjy would never debate him no matter the incentive. He's almost certainly not knowledgeable or skillful enough to take you on.

Blogger szopen July 16, 2018 11:48 AM  

The original news quoted by Mark Paul is here:

"Christians in Jerusalem Want Jews to Stop Spitting on Them"

https://www.haaretz.com/1.4715226

Blogger Martin July 16, 2018 11:55 AM  

More and more of this information is leaving the fringe and becoming mainstream.

There is a theory of societal slavery called "Revelation of the Method." When a population who has been subjected to mental, spiritual, and/or economic slavery by a master class, the time comes when the master class reveals what they are doing to the enslaved. The revelation is progressive, and the boldness by which the Method is revealed increases over time. The result is a population that is doubly enslaved, for the goal of the Revelation it to condition the populace to slavery, remove any ability to resist, and indeed to so enure them to the slavery that they cannot imagine living without it, and for all practical purposes worship their masters.

This, I believe, explains why we have reached the point that the Talmud is now being released in an uncensored English translation, not by Gentiles, but by Jews.

The Revelation of the Method has a side effect that we can well see. It gives the impression that said master class has far more power than they actually do. Every bugaboo, every "conspiracy," indeed every coincidence is attributed to the power of the master class. This works to their benefit, for on the one hand, they can (rightly) denounce many such claims, while on the other hand acting with further impunity once they have made a laughing stock of their detractors.

Wisdom dictates that we be careful to neither attribute too much power to them, nor too little

They cannot prevail in the end. He who sits in the heavens laughs. He holds them in derision. He has already set His King on Mt. Zion. Therefore be wise, you masters. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and you perish in the way, for His wrath is quickly kindled.

Blogger Nathan Bruno July 16, 2018 11:55 AM  

Al Du Clur wrote:Christianity may be dying but its destruction isn't without its humorous side.

Christianity is alive and well in the world. It is the most persecuted religion, therefore, God continues to make it grow. What we are seeing is the end of the material blessing upon Japheth, which happened to coincide with the Japhethites keeping the Christian faith. Especially today, the sons of Ham are coming to Christ.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 16, 2018 11:56 AM  

What the fuck

Blogger VD July 16, 2018 11:58 AM  

Attacking the person and not the point.
Is that Gamma behavior from Vox Day?


The point is that you are lying. And no, the Gamma behavior is you continuing to try to comment here after you've been told not to do so.

No what he is saying is not true.

Specifically what is not true? And who do you mean by "he"? You can't respond to a series of very specific claims with that sort of generality. Do keep in mind that you're dealing with more than a few higher-caliber minds here.

So, precisely what point made by either Unz or Shahak do you take exception? Keep in mind that if you're caught lying you will be held accountable for it.

Blogger Vessimede Barstool July 16, 2018 11:59 AM  

So does Goyim mean heathen, foreigner or cattle? It's the word Jews use among themselves to describe gentiles, rather than use the word gentile, because reasons. Apparently meant in affection, like when a Klansman calls a black person a nigger I guess, only nigger is a derivation of negro, and is perfectly descriptive. Strange that one word has become verboten, even though it's origins are innocuous while another word, literally meaning inhuman beast, has become a term of endearment. Funny old world indeed.

Blogger 63worldseries July 16, 2018 11:59 AM  

tomorrow (April 17) will be the 100th anniversary of the murder (martyrdom) of the Romanovs at the hands of anti-Christian bloodthirsty jews (bolsheviks).

Blogger VD July 16, 2018 12:01 PM  

That's because it's not true.

What, specifically, is not true? That Pharisaic Judaism seeks to heal the world? That the god worshipped is the god of this world and not Jesus Christ?

Blogger Latigo3 July 16, 2018 12:04 PM  

Thanks Vox. Truth is truth and I am glad that you posted this. I have a lot of Israeli friends and each and every one of them is not religious, they are not only non-religious they are extremely suspicious of religious Jews/Israelis and rabbis. This explains a lot though as one of my kookier friends was an Israeli into Kabbalah and I remember flat out telling him that it was of the Devil, he looked at me kind of funny. Since that time we have not talked as much.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 16, 2018 12:10 PM  

First off, I must disagree. America is Judeo-Christian--to its detriment. I've always held that Judaized America has been under the influence of Jewish influence since the Puritans. The Puritans ADORED the Jews, and they wanted to emulate them. We've been under their spell since the colonies.

Secondly, it pleases me that there is new awareness of what the Jews are. I first learned of their hidden religion when I was studying angelology for a book (Gustav Davidson's A Dictionary of Angels, wherein the author actually took a long catalog of angels from the Jewish religion and defined a lot of them.) The Jews are crazy in this regard. They are like John Dee trying to conjure angels, trick them, and get them to do favors for them. They are pretty much Luciferians rebelling against the order of the universe.

Thirdly, I despise the fact that the Catholic Church hierarchy post-Vatican II puts these people on equal footing, and never criticizes them nor tries to convert them. Did you people know that the Jews actually were able to suggest and somewhat direct the Second Vatican Council? Satanists! The hierarchy lost their mind.

Look forward to checking in on the discussion later, folks.

Blogger Shimshon July 16, 2018 12:11 PM  

I do not consider myself learned, but I have been learning the Talmud every weekday for well over a decade. I have learned several of the cited sections in the article, likely many more in the book itself. Lies, half-truths, distortions. Neither Ron Unz, nor whoever he appointed (and paid) to research the cited material, knows what they are doing.

My own knowledge of that religion is absolutely negligible, mostly being limited to my childhood, when my grandmother occasionally managed to drag me down to services at the local synagogue, where I was seated among a mass of elderly men praying and chanting in some strange language while wearing various ritualistic cloths and religious talismans, an experience that I always found much less enjoyable than my usual Saturday morning cartoons.

This is little different than atheists taking stabs at Christianity and claiming success because ignorant fools applaud stupid sophistry. It's easy for you to distance yourself from someone who grew up with Christian parents, in a Christian home, and say, hey, he's not one of us, he's an atheist. Really? Shahak may be one of us, something no one denies, but neither that, nor credentials, make him qualified in any way to pontificate on us.

There are plenty of known problems among my people, even among my observant brethren. But when you have an axe to grind, you're not going to focus on real issues. Rather, you focus on picayune and totally irrelevant, but explosive-sounding and controversial, well-cited, but completely twisted sources.

Blogger LES July 16, 2018 12:11 PM  

"Judaism's Strange Gods: Revised and Expanded " by Michael Hoffman substantiates Ron Unz’ column.

Blogger Brick Hardslab July 16, 2018 12:13 PM  

Ron Unz is convinced illegals commit crimes at similar rates with non-immigrant non-Hispanic whites. Maybe he really believes it or maybe he's a Californian politician.

Either way he's full of it. Read his comments in the Kate Steinle case.

Blogger Latigo3 July 16, 2018 12:14 PM  

It sounds like it has only gotten worse since Stephen's condemnation of the Jews in Acts 7. The star of their God Remphan…. I remember years ago searching on the web for studies on this and they were few and far between, almost like they were being suppressed. Now, there are several sources found on the first pages of a couple of search engines that I use.

Blogger Dos Voltz July 16, 2018 12:15 PM  

Brother Nathanael was the first to really open my eyes to rabbinical doublespeak (and worse). Vox and commenters here have also been tremendous beacons for revealing the truth as well. It's been a long and slow process for me to come to finally understand. Breaking through the official narrative put forth by academia and the media is no small task.

It would be good if more Jews knew what their religion was all about - most that I know are aware of none of the stuff Unz and Brother N have described, but seem to just settle on the niceness of the elevated victim status they enjoy, as well as basking in the bright sun of the moral high ground that they believe they occupy.



Blogger RobertT July 16, 2018 12:16 PM  

Why did it take two meillenia for this to leak out?

Blogger Ingot9455 July 16, 2018 12:20 PM  

I remember reading that Jack Chick tract about Dungeons and Dragons and thinking, "Man, I never got to learn fireball and mind control spells for real. What a ripoff!"

Now I read all this stuff and I realize I never got to all the nifty Satanism stuff at Hebrew School in Junior high either. Robbed twice!

Hopefully I've been saved for something else, so I'd best get to work.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) July 16, 2018 12:21 PM  

I do not consider myself learned, but I have been learning the Talmud every weekday for well over a decade. I have learned several of the cited sections in the article, likely many more in the book itself. Lies, half-truths, distortions. Neither Ron Unz, nor whoever he appointed (and paid) to research the cited material, knows what they are doing.

But since the talmud lets Jews lie to the goyim, how can we trust that you're telling us the truth???

Blogger John Williams July 16, 2018 12:21 PM  


Well... wow. They literally pray to Satan???
How would any of this stuff have been kept under wraps, if true?

You call being posted in forums like this and the one linked ‘being kept under wraps’?

For years there’s been stories about how circumcusiin involves acts of vampiric pedopheliac fellaitio, but no one wants to believe it. Think of the German towns downwind of the concentration camps “that had no idea what was going on”

Blogger John Williams July 16, 2018 12:23 PM  

But since the talmud lets Jews lie to the goyim, how can we trust that you're telling us the truth???
That sounds familiar, what other semantic religion promotes lying to further it’s goals?

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 16, 2018 12:28 PM  

Modern Jews are in open rebellion against God, unless they accept the salvation provided by Jesus.

Blogger Shimshon July 16, 2018 12:29 PM  

Vox, praying to Satan is one lie.

For example, the traditional Jewish religious cry “The Lord Is One” has always been interpreted by most people to be an monotheistic affirmation, and indeed, many Jews take exactly this same view. But large numbers of other Jews believe this declaration instead refers to achievement of sexual union between the primary male and female divine entities.

Lie. Entirely a lie. Large numbers? Maybe there are some obscure heretical sects. But even if so, large numbers?

Blogger Rabbi B July 16, 2018 12:31 PM  

@47 Josh (the sexiest thing here)

The Talmud (as well as a vast range of other ancient rabbinic work) is not a body of work that Jews quote chapter and verse to authoritatively support and justify various practices. That's not its purpose nor is it how it works.

Rather, you focus on picayune and totally irrelevant, but explosive-sounding and controversial, well-cited, but completely twisted sources.

Shimshon is correct in his assessment.

Blogger Manuel July 16, 2018 12:31 PM  

Of course it's not Judaism. They have no temple, no ark, no altar, and no sacrifices. The Pharisees were the biggest group to survive the destruction of the Temple in 77 AD. And who do we find trying to get Jesus in a "gotcha" moment time and time again?

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 16, 2018 12:36 PM  

@41 "Judaism's Strange Gods: Revised and Expanded " by Michael Hoffman substantiates Ron Unz’ column.

Excellent recommendation. I would also recommend E. Michael Jones' The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History. It's awesome.

I know that VD would enjoy it very much, as he's quite the reader. As for others without the time to read so much, Jones has Youtube videos up discussing his book. But it looks like Youtube these days is starting to put disclaimers up on his videos. So there might not be much time left.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora July 16, 2018 12:43 PM  

Considering they think Satan is simply an angel testing humanity at God's behest it's not a stretch to imagine a Jew who has fallen to angel worship would pray to him. They would probably see it as their equivalent of praying to a saint and not evil. Of course if you're a Christian then you necessarily have to see it as evil so it's an irreconcilable impasse.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams July 16, 2018 12:46 PM  

Nothing to see here, goyim. Accept our vague explanations of "that's wrong" and move along.

Blogger Anchorman July 16, 2018 12:46 PM  

The Talmud (as well as a vast range of other ancient rabbinic work) is not a body of work that Jews quote chapter and verse to authoritatively support and justify various practices. That's not its purpose nor is it how it works.

I admit, I don't know much about daily practice of Judaism (e.g. I would hear them talking about "going to temple," and believed they were going to a building separate from a synagogue).

So, how would a Christian relate to the Talmud, in terms of daily living?

Blogger Unknown July 16, 2018 12:49 PM  

If Jews oppose and hate christianity so much then they should get out from the west.

Do the Jewish people and their religion belong in the west?

We've done so much for them and they've done us harm in return.

Most peaceful solution is to send back the 1.3 million Jews in Europe to Israel and the 6 million in North America.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 16, 2018 12:50 PM  

A little something from Jones' Jewish Revolutionary Spirit:

The Talmud may have protected the Jews from schism and sectarian divisions, but the price the Jews paid for this protection was complete rabbinic control. The Talmud took the sacred scriptures out of the hands of the Jews and made their interpretation the sole purview of the rabbis as codified in Talmudic lore. The word of God was nullified by the Talmud. The Talmud, the saying went, permitted whatever the Torah forbade. The Jew, in other words, could not appeal to sacred writ without the permission of the rabbis who controlled the Talmud. The Talmud became, as a result, control through hermeneutics. The Talmud became, according to Walsh, "the chief means employed by the Annas and Caiaphas of each age to keep the mass of the Jewish people in ignorance of the true nature of Christianity, and to fan their misunderstanding of it to hatred.">34 To fan this
hatred, the Talmud contained "the most scurrilous and vindictive blasphemies against Christ.'':135 The Talmud claimed that Christ was a bastard Kallah 51A) offspring of a Jewish whore and a Roman soldier (Sanhedrin 106A) who is in hell buried in boiling excrement (Gittin 57A). During persecution, the most controversial parts of the Talmud were committed to memory and transmitted orally,
but the tradition of blasphemy and subversion continued unabated. The Talmud insured blasphemy and subversion became part of Jewish culture, because, as one scholar noted, the Talmud was "the creator of the Jewish nation and the mold of
the Jewish soul."

The Talmud would also be instrumental in the rise of the revolutionary spirit when it re-emerged during the Reformation. "We can boldly assert," Graetz writes, "that the war for and against the Talmud aroused German consciousness and created
a public opinion without which the Reformation, like many other efforts, would have died in the hour of birth, or perhaps would never have been born at all .... 36 The Talmud also became the link between the Neoplatonist thaumaturgy of Julian and later assaults on the Catholic Church from behind the mask of Freemasonry. Masonic theology, according to Rabbi Benamozegh, is "at root nothing else than ... the theology of the Kaballah. "'37

Blogger Moggy July 16, 2018 12:53 PM  

Um. You do realize that literally every single line of this article is a lie, right? Right?

What am I saying. You believe in Qanon.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella July 16, 2018 12:57 PM  

Oh, good grief. I read the article. should we make a deadpool for how long Mr Unz lives until he decides to either shoot himself in the back of the head twice, or kneel at a doorknob?

The thing is: on the Toaff book: northern Europeans have hyperhemachromatosis at a fairly high rate. Their blood has an excess of clotting factor. Northern European Jews, however, come up with hemophilias more often than other people. They want to circumsize babies without killing the child. I can see using blood drained off a choleric man as a poultice for a newborn Jewish child to staunch the bleeding.

Blogger Rabbi B July 16, 2018 12:58 PM  

So, how would a Christian relate to the Talmud, in terms of daily living?

It's not something that governs 'daily living' ...

As far as 'daily living,' besides the Torah (Bible) I would look to something like the Shulchan Aruch (Code of Jewish Law) as one example.

There are entire bodies of work that relate to specific issues...the Laws of Yichud (Seclusion), is another example. These are laws that help us avoid situations where may be compromised by being secluded or alone with members of the opposite sex, etc.

Blogger VD July 16, 2018 12:59 PM  

Um. You do realize that literally every single line of this article is a lie, right? Right?

Well, that's certainly convincing! Would you call it a religion of... peace?

Blogger VD July 16, 2018 1:02 PM  

Why did it take two meillenia for this to leak out?

It didn't. Why do you think the Jews have been expelled from over 300 polities during that time. This is just prelude to the next one. Why do you think the Prime Minister of Israel is telling Jews to go to Israel now?

The Talmud (as well as a vast range of other ancient rabbinic work) is not a body of work that Jews quote chapter and verse to authoritatively support and justify various practices. That's not its purpose nor is it how it works.

And yet, it exists. Anyone can read it and judge it for themselves. No offense to anyone here, but I would no sooner take a Jew's word about his religion than a Muslim, a Catholic, or the average Sunday School Protestant about his. And no one knows less about his own religion than a Western Buddhist.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 16, 2018 1:03 PM  

"and very easy when you provide children to traitors to humanity (politicians) so they can then push through as law your satanic agenda."

This isn't even going deep. The Talmud explicitly allows satiation of that sort of appetite under the rationalization that if the child is young enough they won't remember it.

The Talmud itself was largely developed during captivity in Babylon (and in some ways compiled around the eighth to tenth centuries from those sources), and derived heavily from Babylonian mysticism while claiming to be a sort of "return to the roots" of Old Testament (before it was called that) tradition.

The Jews do indeed emphasize the preeminence of the (most generously so-called) scholarly interpretation of the Talmud over the actual Scriptures.

The words "Judahite/Judaean/etc." were edited in many (most?) versions of the Bible around the early to late nineteenth century into "Jew/Jews". (Likely) Theory is that this was done because of large numbers of people, with neither Judaean or any other ancestry that traced back to the tribes of Judah, claiming to be "Jews" because of their acquired practice of Talmudic/Babylonian religion. It undeniably serves to heavily muddy the semantic waters.

Ashkenaz was a descendant of Japheth, not Shem, thus the Ashkenazim are not even "S(h)emitic" in origin.

As well, yes, a common interpretation of Satan by them is as a friendly administrator administering a test.

Blogger Anchorman July 16, 2018 1:04 PM  

@62 Thanks. So, if its not for daily living (practical application of theology), then what purpose does it serve?

We have Christian authors who comment on The Way, but their work is clearly the work of man and not to be given full faith.

Is the Talmud potentially similarly flawed, because it is the commentary of man?

Blogger Rabbi B July 16, 2018 1:06 PM  

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Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 16, 2018 1:06 PM  

"You do realize that literally every single line of this article is a lie, right? Right?"

Having actually read through a fair amount of the Talmud, you're the one lying here.

Blogger Jason July 16, 2018 1:07 PM  

The Talmud strikes me as the Book of Mormon of the Old Testament. A complete fabrication of useless human garbage written by those who want to be God. God's word is what stands. The thoughts and words of man are useless lies when they do not align with God, whether it involves the nature of space and time or salvation of the soul. Anyone who rejects the truth by nature embraces a lie.

Blogger Rabbi B July 16, 2018 1:07 PM  

@61 VD

I don't know who is claiming that it is.

It's a tacit claim expressed through generalizations of selected citations from the Talmud as a proof-text that Jews pray to Satan and use the blood of Christian children in their matzah for Passover.

The same has been done with the text of the Scriptures themselves, and the Talmud is not the Scriptures nor does it claim to be.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 16, 2018 1:08 PM  

"Is the Talmud potentially similarly flawed, because it is the commentary of man?"

You're not thinking nearly nefariously enough. The Talmud is, at best, a collection of scholarly rationalizations as to how they may do what they already wish to. That's exactly why it's held, as the word of man, preeminently to Scripture which is the word of God.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 16, 2018 1:11 PM  

Rabbi B wrote:The Talmud (as well as a vast range of other ancient rabbinic work) is not a body of work that Jews quote chapter and verse to authoritatively support and justify various practices. That's not its purpose nor is it how it works.

Rabbi B, my understanding of the Talmud is that it is a collection of commentary and religious decisions, made by hundreds of scholars over something like 20 centuries. None of it is accepted as authoritative, in the sense that Protestants accept the Bible as authoritative, but what is there is considered to be valuable, even if not always valid. Does that sound about right?

My understanding of the intent of the Talmud is that it exists to help Jews deal with the utter impossibility of following Mosaic Law without the Temple, and to justify the rejection of the Messiah.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 16, 2018 1:11 PM  

"Lie. Entirely a lie. Large numbers? Maybe there are some obscure heretical sects. But even if so, large numbers?"

Kabbalah.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 16, 2018 1:12 PM  

Kabbalah, which, for the record, is heavily discouraged/disallowed to be deeply studied by men under 30 years old.

Blogger pergratiamDei July 16, 2018 1:12 PM  

@rabbib @27 this is all completely true. Michael Hoffman has written Judaism Discoverd with primary sources and documents revealing all this. He has also worked with Ron Unz and this may well be where Mr Unz learned the truth.

Blogger VD July 16, 2018 1:16 PM  

It's a tacit claim expressed through generalizations of selected citations from the Talmud as a proof-text that Jews pray to Satan and use the blood of Christian children in their matzah for Passover.

I don't see any such claims being made here, tacitly or otherwise. There is not even a single mention of Passover in the comments here except for yours. Are you arguing against arguments that are being made on other sites or something?

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) July 16, 2018 1:16 PM  

Can we have another Great Debate between Vox and Rabbi B/Shimson on Judaism?

Blogger Mary MacArthur July 16, 2018 1:20 PM  

This makes so much more sense than the "They believe the truth about God they just don't realize that Jesus is the Messiah, it's an honest mistake" impression that I picked up from most of my Novus-Ordo-Catholic university professors. After rejecting Christ so thoroughly, how could the Jews possibly be given the grace necessary to endure in proper belief in the true God?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 16, 2018 1:21 PM  

That's a very delicate way to put it, Ominous Cowherd. Well played.

Blogger Al Du Clur July 16, 2018 1:22 PM  

"That would TOTALLY prove how wrong he was about his co-religionists...."

This is only a criticism if you believe that changing your understanding of X from new data is wrong

Blogger John Kay July 16, 2018 1:25 PM  

To Vox and anyone else who cares, if you really are interested in Talmudic Judaism and what it keeps hidden from gullible Gentiles, you need to check out two very interesting sites.

The first : Come and Hear - http://www.come-and-hear.com/navigate.html
It's meticulously referenced and has an entire copy of the Soncino Talmud online for you to verify any passages you want to look up.
The second : Daat Emet - http://daatemet.org.il/en/torah-science-ethics/religion-ethics/gentiles-in-halacha/
It's by a group of secular Israelis and it goes into even more detail on the insanity of the Talmud. One of the most interesting parts is what I directly linked too. Wait till you see how they view Gentiles. This is what drove Martin Luther into a frenzy 500 years ago.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 16, 2018 1:28 PM  

@81 Thanks for those links. -LH

Blogger Unknown July 16, 2018 1:30 PM  

This explains a lot of f’ed up s**t, not the least of whicch is fellating Babis boys after circumcision.

Blogger Shimshon July 16, 2018 1:31 PM  

@76 "I don't see any such claims being made here, tacitly or otherwise."

Vox, the Unz article, and Israel Shahak's one or more referenced books do refer to the former. I believe the blood libel is sourced from after Unz's commentary on Shahak and referring to someone else.

Blogger Anno Ruse July 16, 2018 1:31 PM  

I've found that one doesn't need to understand anything about the Talmud to hate the Jews. Jews might take note of this.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) July 16, 2018 1:31 PM  

After rejecting Christ so thoroughly, how could the Jews possibly be given the grace necessary to endure in proper belief in the true God?

25Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:d a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27“and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may nowe receive mercy. 32For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

33Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!

34“For who has known the mind of the Lord,
or who has been his counselor?”
35“Or who has given a gift to him
that he might be repaid?”

36For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.

Blogger Leo Anodos July 16, 2018 1:32 PM  

Vox, you are shifting the burden of proof. Unz is responsible for establishing the truth of his claims. It's not the job of those who disagree to prove he is incorrect.

Blogger maniacprovost July 16, 2018 1:35 PM  

This does highlight the advantage of relying on known facts, such as the divine revelation of scripture, rather than a teetering stack of commentary and argumentation.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) July 16, 2018 1:36 PM  

Unz is responsible for establishing the truth of his claims.

Unz declines to do this:

Even with all of that due diligence, I must emphasize that I cannot directly vouch for Shahak’s claims about Judaism.

Blogger Rabbi B July 16, 2018 1:37 PM  

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Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) July 16, 2018 1:39 PM  

The question that is always on the forefront of my mind my mind for Christians is how best to reach the Jewish people for the Messiah. How is the Christian provoking the unbelieving Jew to consider the Messiahship of Y'shua?

Amen

Blogger Dos Voltz July 16, 2018 1:39 PM  

Rabbi Kaduri, the most prominent Jewish Kabbalist, wrote a note prior to his death, sealed it and directed it be opened a year after his passing. In the note he revealed the name of the messiah.

"Yehoshiva." Which is Jesus Christ. One can assume he did not reveal this information while alive, for fear of being suicided.

Now the story is claimed by many in Israel and Jewish circles to be a fraud. (They must claim this, otherwise their iron grip on Hollywood and the pop music industry might weaken, meaning fewer shekels pouring in to their coffers...)

Blogger Anchorman July 16, 2018 1:39 PM  

@88 Endorsed.

Blogger Rabbi B July 16, 2018 1:40 PM  

@76 VD

From the article/OP:

One example...

On the most basic level, the religion of most traditional Jews is actually not at all monotheistic, but instead contains a wide variety of different male and female gods, having quite complex relations to each other, with these entities and their properties varying enormously among the numerous different Jewish sub-sects, depending upon which portions of the Talmud and the Kabala they place uppermost.

'Talmudic Judaism', so called, is what's being examined/criticized, and so the Talmud is referenced explicitly or tacitly.

At the very least, the author alluding to portions of the Talmud, while making general statements such as "Religious Judaism believes or teaches X, y, or Z ..."

Again from the OP:

Muhammed’s immediate predecessor, according to the Jewish Talmud, Jesus is perhaps the vilest being who ever lived, condemned to spend eternity in the bottommost pit of Hell, immersed in a boiling vat of excrement.

What conclusions are going to be drawn? What conclusions should be done? After all, it's in the Talmud!

It's no secret that the vast majority of Jews reject the Messiah and some do and have done so in the vilest terms, and many without ever doing any real investigation.

The question that is always on the forefront of my mind my mind for Christians is how best to reach the Jewish people for the Messiah. How is the Christian provoking the unbelieving Jew to consider the Messiahship of Y'shua?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 16, 2018 1:42 PM  

Rabbi B wrote:'Talmudic Judaism', so called, is what's being examined/criticized, and so the Talmud is referenced explicitly or tacitly.

Talmudic Judaism ... is there another kind? If you have accepted the Messiah, you are a Christian and have no use for the Talmud except as a cultural item. If you have rejected the Messiah, you desperately need the Talmud to help rationalize your utter failure to keep the Law.

Blogger Jew613 July 16, 2018 1:44 PM  

Shahak was also famous for claiming to be a witness to preposterous events involving Orthodox Jews such as the telephone incident. After a point they just kept getting more absurd. When caught in a lie Shahak would move on with an even more unbelievable claim.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 16, 2018 1:45 PM  

What is the purpose of the Talmud? Why does it exist?

Blogger VD July 16, 2018 1:45 PM  

Can we have another Great Debate between Vox and Rabbi B/Shimson on Judaism?

No. I suspect that the coming events are going to be sufficiently challenging to everyone's faith.

Unz is responsible for establishing the truth of his claims. It's not the job of those who disagree to prove he is incorrect.

Be careful what you ask for. This is literally the last place you should engage in that sort of posturing. I watched a show the other night on high-ranking ex-Scientologists who came out of Scientology. And I recognize when people are denying what they suspect - or know - to be true.

The truth will come out. Some fear it. Some welcome it. But it will come out.

Blogger John Kay July 16, 2018 1:47 PM  

@Laramie Hirsch
But wait, there's more. Honest Jews, like their most respected philosopher, Maimonides, even admit they killed Jesus (and no mention is made of the Roman authorities). In his Epistle to Yemen he states :
The first one to have adopted this plan was Jesus the Nazarene, may his bones be ground to dust. He was a Jew because his mother was a Jewess although his father was a Gentile. For in accordance with the principles of our law, a child born of a Jewess and a Gentile, or of a Jewess and a slave, is legitimate. (Yebamot 45a). Jesus is only figuratively termed an illegitimate child. He impelled people to believe that he was a prophet sent by God to clarify perplexities in the Torah, and that he was the Messiah that was predicted by each and every seer. He interpreted the Torah and its precepts in such a fashion as to lead to their total annulment, to the abolition of all its commandments and to the violation of its prohibitions. The sages, of blessed memory, having become aware of his plans before his reputation spread among our people, meted out fitting punishment to him.

They even admit to killing the Apostle Paul :
Quite some time after, a religion2 appeared the origin of which is traced to him by the descendants of Esau, albeit it was not the intention of this person to establish a new faith. For he was innocuous to Israel as neither individual nor groups were unsettled in their beliefs because of him, since his inconsistencies were so transparent to every one. Finally he was overpowered and put a stop to by us when he fell into our hands, and his fate is well known.

You can read it all here : https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Epistle_to_Yemen/Complete

Blogger OneWingedShark July 16, 2018 1:47 PM  

Al Du Clur wrote:LOL. Evangelicals pride themselves on being Jews' bitch and love Jews and Israel more than they care about the fate of their descendants and possibly more than they live Jesus. Most Evangelicals worship Jews to such a degree that one can't in all honesty consider them monotheistic.
Which evangelical would turn to jews and say/act "You are my god, deliver me!"?

I get your thrust, but I'd hesitate to call them non-monotheists; it seems more to me like an odd case of religious Stockholm Syndrome than idolization.

Jack wrote:In academic circles, these traditions (such as the Ebionities and Nazarenes) are referred to as Judeo-Christians. While they had little impact on Christianity and Judiasm today, the Judeo-Christians were instrumental in the formation of Islam.
This is really interesting, can you expand on it?

RobertT wrote:Why did it take two meillenia for this to leak out?
Well, it took time to compile, just like the New Testament did, so several hundred years can account for that. Another is the relatively small population of Jews; in Jesus's day there were the Pharisees and Sadducees and more, Jewish-people who weren't the moral teachers.

So, essentially a small part of a small part of people were involved. Moreover, they had the advantage of being able to "blend in" with the greater population.

But you can see the Talmud's "leaking" even in the New Testament, even as it was being formed; see 1 Tim 1:3-4 "As I urged you on my departure to Macedonia, you should stay on at Ephesus to instruct certain men not to teach false doctrines or devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculation rather than the stewardship of God’s work, which is by faith." and Titus 3:9 "But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, arguments, and quarrels about the Law, because these things are pointless and worthless." because the proto-talmudist scribes were going back and altering the texts (eg) in refutation of the claim in Hebrews about Melchizedek-priesthood being superior to the Levitical-priesthood.

Blogger Robert What? July 16, 2018 1:49 PM  

There are very few Jews who revere the Old Testament above the Talmud (or even close). Oh they certainly make a ritualistic show of revering it, but that is all. Could it be because Jews who revere and sincerely study the Old Testament become ... Christians?

Blogger tkatchev July 16, 2018 1:54 PM  

RobertT wrote:Why did it take two meillenia for this to leak out?

Except it didn't. All this stuff was completely obvious facts to every man on the street just 100 years ago.

In places outside of Western Europe and the USA it still is.

Blogger Dos Voltz July 16, 2018 1:59 PM  

When reading the section in the Unz article regarding the "blood libel" issue in the Medieval ages, I am struck by the similarities with the sickening Q posts regarding child trafficking and alleged adrenochrome consumption going on in our own age. Knowing what we know now (thru secret video recordings) about abortion doctors and facilities selling off baby body parts on secret and black markets, laughing about "eyeballs rolling into your lap" etc, nothing surprises me anymore, and "Pizzagate" style reports are, in large measure, for me perfectly believable.

Unz writes at the close of the article "when the true history of our last one hundred years is finally written and told—probably by a Chinese professor at a Chinese university—none of the students in his lecture hall will ever believe a word of it."

He is highlighting the trouble that exists when trying to inform people of the true evil that exists in the world.

Too many people laugh it off as fantasy. And so it goes on.

Blogger Mary MacArthur July 16, 2018 2:04 PM  

@86 Is that meant to disprove my comment? Paul says that the Hebrews who rejected Christ will be saved in the end, but that they are enemies now. As I understand, they will be given the grace of repentance and forgiveness. They do not, as they currently are, possess the grace of faith.

Blogger Resident Moron™ July 16, 2018 2:06 PM  

My favorite rabbinical argument eas that sailing is not work because the wind does the work.

Obviously the rabbi in question had never himself sailed, since it can be bloody hard and dangerous work indeed.

But tge rabbi considered that if, when driving on the Sabbath, one keeps a bottle of water beneath the seat, one is therefore traveling over water and thus cannot be working.

Such theological lawyerism makes God an idiot.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 16, 2018 2:07 PM  

@100 To John Kay,

Indeed. The Jews have shown themselves to be the complete enemies of all Christians, and it is an insult to the West an a supreme embarrassment that the Christian, Gentile West have allowed themselves to be duped by such tricksters.

The Christians made the mistake of thinking that everyone in the world was as moral an decent as they were. They still make this mistake. Case in point: Vatican II.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 16, 2018 2:09 PM  

Robert What? wrote:There are very few Jews who revere the Old Testament above the Talmud (or even close). Oh they certainly make a ritualistic show of revering it, but that is all. Could it be because Jews who revere and sincerely study the Old Testament become ... Christians?

The Law and the Prophets point to Jesus the Messiah. The Talmud gives you a smorgasbord of ways to rationalize rejecting the Messiah and the God who sent Him.

Blogger Resident Moron™ July 16, 2018 2:10 PM  

I once had a chinese girlfriend offer to buy me dinner on my birthday, at a restaurant of my choice. When told that I quite like indian food she replied, totally seriously;

“Oh no. They’re dirty!”

I could only ask:

“What - all of them?”

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 16, 2018 2:14 PM  

"So perhaps a Jew who washes his hands three times clockwise might be horrified by another who follows a counter-clockwise direction, but whether the hand-washing were meant to honor God or to honor Satan would be hardly be a matter of much consequence."

So in other words, insane.

Blogger Lovekraft July 16, 2018 2:15 PM  

Adam Sandler's movie "Zohan" about a mossad agent who fakes his own death to become a hairdresser in NYC let slip what was likely a strategy among his ilk: Zohan was fighting with the local Muslims, until the rednecks showed up, at which point the Jews and Muslims united against this common foe.

That ending stuck with me simply because of what it may have revealed.

Which justifies all the more why disentanglement is the only real option. There shouldn't be any real interaction and checks and balances on any done with vigor.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 16, 2018 2:29 PM  

"even admit they killed Jesus."

Why is this even a hangup? Jesus went willingly, to die for everyone's sins.

I swear, the people who say that sort of thing are far more foolish even than the Judaeans who thought Jesus was here to establish a physical kingdom.

"Adam Sandler's movie "Zohan""

Is probably also a pun on "Zohar", something to do with Kabbalah.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 16, 2018 2:32 PM  

"Such theological lawyerism makes God an idiot."

Let God be genius, and every man an idiot.

Blogger Looking Glass July 16, 2018 2:32 PM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:@100 To John Kay,

Indeed. The Jews have shown themselves to be the complete enemies of all Christians, and it is an insult to the West an a supreme embarrassment that the Christian, Gentile West have allowed themselves to be duped by such tricksters.

The Christians made the mistake of thinking that everyone in the world was as moral an decent as they were. They still make this mistake. Case in point: Vatican II.


Starting in the late 1700s, there was a significant moves to destroy Christian Theology in the West. That was, in the end, the point of The Enlightenment. They created a new religion that was designed to hollow out & replace Christianity.

The Theological assault on Protestantism was complete by 1800, but the rot takes decades to play out. We would reach the lowest point of Western Christianity since the Great Schism around 1900. Things only stopped getting worse around 1930, and it's been a slow climb out since then.

What we're seeing, in a lot of places, is the emergence of the rejection of the Enlightenment lies. I'd credit a lot more interaction between Western & Eastern Christian factions, along with the rise of Christianity in non-Western cultures, to helping start the rebuilding process. Though it's going to take a century or two.

Christians got played a long time ago, but information arbitrage meant the details got lost. No one could mount a defense, and we're only now starting to understand the damage. Puts a pretty different perspective on the last century in the West, when you look at what happened within the church.

Blogger dienw July 16, 2018 2:32 PM  

Vessimede Barstool wrote:So does Goyim mean heathen, foreigner or cattle? It's the word Jews use among themselves to describe gentiles.

The word Goy refers to those who are not Judahites; according to Strong's, the word encompasses in its meaning the Israelites; and that is the dirty little secret by which the Jews obscure and confuse the members of The lost Tribes of Israel.

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas July 16, 2018 2:35 PM  

@109:

There's a joke in Southeast Asia that goes something like:

If there's a snake and an Indian in your yard, kill the Indian.

Of course, most non-Chinese Orientals consider the Chinese only a small step above Indians and Arabs.

Blogger Jeff Z July 16, 2018 2:36 PM  

It's not like Judaism is a big mystery; there's no need to let other people tell you what to believe--especially ones who state, "My own knowledge of that religion is absolutely negligible." Anyone can enter a Jewish bookstore, or go on-line to numerous websites, and read the three daily prayers for yourselves, in which you'll find nothing about killing Christians or praying to Satan (although there are several prayers asking for protection from him). As far as the Talmud goes, it's the same thing: some of it is fascinating commentary on the Torah, some of it goes over the minutiae of every day ritual at length. With all the real enemies decent people have in the world, why are people obsessed with manufacturing non-existent ones?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 16, 2018 2:41 PM  

Jeff Z wrote:It's not like Judaism is a big mystery;

Modern Judaism all boils down to rejection of the Messiah, and rejection of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Do we really need to know more than that?

Blogger Dirk Manly July 16, 2018 2:41 PM  

@9


"Well... wow. They literally pray to Satan???
How would any of this stuff have been kept under wraps, if true?"

Threats of death for anyone who goes around blabbing.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 16, 2018 2:43 PM  

"So does Goyim mean heathen, foreigner or cattle?"

Yes.

And no, I'm not making a joke.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 16, 2018 2:43 PM  

@114 Looking Glass

Yeah. It's a looong game. Most don't have the patience to learn about it or understand it. I'm hopeful that the tide will turn soon in the grand historical scheme. However, I don't think I'll live long enough to see hearts turned around on this issue.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey July 16, 2018 2:52 PM  

Dos Voltz wrote:When reading the section in the Unz article regarding the "blood libel" issue in the Medieval ages, I am struck by the similarities with the sickening Q posts regarding child trafficking and alleged adrenochrome consumption going on in our own age. Knowing what we know now (thru secret video recordings) about abortion doctors and facilities selling off baby body parts on secret and black markets, laughing about "eyeballs rolling into your lap" etc, nothing surprises me anymore, and "Pizzagate" style reports are, in large measure, for me perfectly believable.

Agreed. And I'd add to all that the scuttlebutt over at Crazy Days And Nights (CDAN), which I would be oblivious to if not for Vox' site here.

I wonder if anything could shock me anymore. The world is indeed stranger than we all _can_ imagine.

Blogger Gen. Kong July 16, 2018 2:54 PM  

tomorrow (April 17) will be the 100th anniversary of the murder (martyrdom) of the Romanovs at the hands of anti-Christian bloodthirsty jews (bolsheviks).

Actually that anniversary is today. The Romanovs were slaughtered on July 16, 1918 by a squad of Bolsheviks under the command of (((Jakov Sverdlov))) in the Ipatiev house in Ekaterinberg (later renamed Sverdlovsk in the USSR, now Ekaterinberg again). The order was officially given by Lenin, probably at the behest of his Warburg-Rothschild masters. It's also the anniversary of the mysterious death of JFK, Jr. - probably another murder carried out for the Clinton Crime family.

Wondered if Unz's curious article would be covered here. I see the usual parade of Judeo-Christ worshipping heretics and Talmudists have come out to kvetch endlessly about their favorite subject - the master race (some Brother Nathanael for Borscht-Belt stand-up comic relief).

Unz's own case is an interesting example but probably exists somewhat in the USA. He grew up in the tribe (NYC) but really didn't know much more about the Talmud and its numerous demonic doctrines than your average Southern Baptist does. Unlike most of the tribe (who 9 to 1 are shitlibs/SJWs or Trotskyites calling themselves conservative), he seems to not have the usual hatred of all things Christian (vs. Judeo-Christian). People who actually think independently are very rare in general of course. Since their holy books even command the murder of tribe members who spill the beans to the goyim, those who think outside the box (like Unz and some others) do actually take some risks, so it might count as a kind of skin in the game.

Blogger Looking Glass July 16, 2018 2:54 PM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:@114 Looking Glass

Yeah. It's a looong game. Most don't have the patience to learn about it or understand it. I'm hopeful that the tide will turn soon in the grand historical scheme. However, I don't think I'll live long enough to see hearts turned around on this issue.


Having read some of the very prolific Christian writers of the day, they really were trying to get a handle on the disaster. Everything was pretty much coming apart at the seems, doing the "declining Empire" bit of getting wrapped up on stupid little details while missing the entire point. A few different papers put church attendance around 25% Male/75% Female around the low of 1920.

Those New England Puritans were going to make the world "better" by whatever means necessary. Funny thing, that. No where in the Bible is that a Christian's task, but that sounds suspiciously familiar these days. I wonder where that came from?

Blogger Dirk Manly July 16, 2018 2:56 PM  

@25

"For example, certain prayers must be uttered in Aramaic rather than Hebrew on the grounds that holy angels apparently don’t understand the former language, and their confusion allows those verses to slip by unimpeded and take effect without divine interference....

Oh FFS"

You've heard of an "eruv" haven't you?

On the Sabbath, Jews are prohibited from carrying anything into or out of the household ("it's doing work"). They ARE allowed to carry things within the house.

Well, Gee... how is an honest (?) Jew supposed to be able to go shopping on the Sabbath if he can't bring his newly acquired food and treasures into the house?

An eruv is a series of markers, "personal posessions", laid all around a city in increasing distances from wherever a bunch of Jews are living in close proximity. The psychotic theory is:

1: By having all of these personal posessions spread out all over, that makes my "household" area larger. "If I leave one every so often between here and the store, then I'm not leaving 'my household' area, and now I can go shopping!"

and
2: That God is extremely wise, but can't see through this shit for the blatant disobedience that it is....

and

3: That God is extremely powerful, but won't punish them for this blatant attempt to pervert even their own understanding of what observing the sabbath requires.

Blogger Redpill Angel July 16, 2018 2:56 PM  

Praying to Satan. Wow. Years ago, I joined a group of Christian ladies of another denomination in prayer. The lady who led us prayed that God would send Satan to immediately strike dead a woman of our acquaintance who planned to obtain an abortion for her daughter. I was like, wha .... .? I must have shifted in my seat. The leader then said she sensed a spirit of disunity in the group and I said, well, that would be me. They kicked me out of the group. Anyway, it felt like praying to Satan, although I'm sure I'll be schooled severely here if there is indeed Biblical backing for such a prayer.

Blogger Dos Voltz July 16, 2018 2:59 PM  

"As far as the Talmud goes, it's the same thing: some of it is fascinating commentary on the Torah, some of it goes over the minutiae of every day ritual at length." - Jeff Z

And some of it, Jeff Z, says that Jesus Christ was a fraud and suffers for eternity in a vat of human excretion. And that his mother, our Blessed Virgin Mary, was a whore. (Yet both were foretold by "your" prophets).

These are not the kinds of words that engender good relations with Christians who discover these passages. And makes it even worse when you see that honest Jews do indeed hold these beliefs. Sarah Silverman, Larry David, Seth Rogan, and other Hollywood Jews now go over-the-top with shameless anti-Christian behavior and public statements.

"With all the real enemies decent people have in the world, why are people obsessed with manufacturing non-existent ones?" - Jeff Z

Define "real enemies" and "decent" people.

Blogger LES July 16, 2018 3:00 PM  

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel) were not Jews.
Not even Moses. As earlier commenters have pointed out, the English word "Jew' in the OT is the Hebrew word for Judahite or of the tribe of Judah. Obviously, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob could not be of the tribe of Judah. The English word 'Jew' in the NT is the Greek word for Judean or of the land of Judea.

The modern, secular, socialist state called Israel today should be called Judea because the Kingdom of Israel (10 tribes) ended forever in 721 B.C. The Kingdom of Judea (tribes of Judah and Levi with a lot from the tribe of Benjamin) resettled their land after the Babylonian captivity and lived in the province of Judea under Roman occupation.

Rabbis and Pharisees are not found in the OT but are a result of the Babylonian captivity where the oral traditions began that later became written down and expanded upon as the Talmud. Judaism today is rabbinical Phariseeism. Jesus had nothing but contempt for the Pharisses and their oral legalisms they imposed upon the Judeans.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 16, 2018 3:00 PM  

And in Manhattan, they dispensed with leaving the little "personal items" which they just leave laying about (you leave your things just randomly all over the city, for anyone to just come along and steal or destroy, don't you?), and just strung a wire marking a perimeter covering approximately 6 square miles ... far larger than ANY city which existed before the time of Christ.

For blatantly mocking their own commandments from God, destined for hell is an understatement.

Blogger SirHamster July 16, 2018 3:03 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:Why is this even a hangup? Jesus went willingly, to die for everyone's sins.



I took a Jewish studies class in college, and the Jewish professor was adamant that it was the Romans who did the dirty deed, and the Gospel accounts were an early example of blood libel used to ingratiate with the authorities.

There's a lot of obfuscation out there. All are guilty and he died for all, but if the Jews want to claim credit ... self-incrimination is pretty good evidence.

Blogger Shimshon July 16, 2018 3:04 PM  

@125 Shopping? Is that the best you've got? We can't carry, except through some sort of halachic mingling of homes, but of course we handle money and go shopping?! I remember when goyim could come up with better slander, like the blood libel. Jews pray three times, and eat three festive meals on the Sabbath. If there is no carrying in a public domain, then, for example, mothers of young children are unable to attend services with their children at the same time as their husbands pushing a baby stroller is carrying). Yes, this is a real thing. I have lived in communities without an eruv. And that is not an uncommon occurrence. Not everyone has access or can afford a babysitter.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 16, 2018 3:07 PM  

@35

"So does Goyim mean heathen[s], foreigner[s] or cattle? "

Yes.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 16, 2018 3:10 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:An eruv is a series of markers, "personal posessions", laid all around a city in increasing distances from wherever a bunch of Jews are living in close proximity. The psychotic theory is:

It is even more psychotic than you make out. They run wires/fishing line around large areas/entire cities and declare every thing enclosed in the wire to be part of their household. The one in NYC encloses nearly all of Manhattan.

Remember your Manger scene at Christmas offends them, but they can claim your entire city for their religious practice.

Blogger RA July 16, 2018 3:10 PM  

I'm not too surprised that the Jewish use of the Old Testament doesn't go past the first five books. As the rest of the OT is mostly about the prophets who keep lecturing the tribe(s) regarding their straying from the path of God. Over and over again. We see the continual return of idols and sacrifices throughout. Isaiah not only lectured as well, he also forecast the coming of Jesus. Hmm, no wonder the Jews don't want to claim this part as theirs, it's one long lecture on the evils of idol worship.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 16, 2018 3:20 PM  

@53

"Of course it's not Judaism. They have no temple, no ark, no altar, and no sacrifices. The Pharisees were the biggest group to survive the destruction of the Temple in 77 AD. And who do we find trying to get Jesus in a "gotcha" moment time and time again?"

Hate to break it to you, Manuel, but the Judaism which is mentioned time and again in the New Testament *IS* Phariseeism, not the Hebrew religion of the Old Testament. As Unz describes, and Jesus Himself said, Judaism is all about "the traditions of men" and not "the word of God."

Blogger Dirk Manly July 16, 2018 3:23 PM  

@55

"They would probably see it as their equivalent of praying to a saint and not evil."

Of course praying to a saint is evil. NOWHERE in the Bible, Old Testament nor New, are we instructed even once to pray to any saint. We are instructed, always to pray only to God, and nobody else.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 16, 2018 3:25 PM  

@58

"Most peaceful solution is to send back the 1.3 million Jews in Europe to Israel and the 6 million in North America."

They have money, why should we spend any money "sending" them. An eviction notice would be more appropriate.
An eviction notice with a bill for recovery of stolen assets, even better.

Blogger Joel C. Salomon July 16, 2018 3:30 PM  

@125 Nearly every word of what you’ve said about the eruv is wrong.

By tradition, one of the “labors” (melachoth) forbidden on the Sabbath is carrying items from private domains into heavily-trafficked public areas, or through such heavily-trafficked public areas. Some highways would fall under that definition, but most public spaces would not.

Since the Divine prohibition was so narrow as to often not apply, the ancient Rabbis instituted a pair of rules: (a) that ordinary public spaces, even those without the daily traffic needed to qualify for the Divine prohibition, be treated with nearly the same rigor as a true “public domain”, except (b) if these areas are enclosed in some way (the eruv), they may be treated as a “private domain”. This Rabbinic enactment serves the purposes of (a) keeping the Divine prohibition in mind, even though it often does not apply, while (b) not imposing unnecessary arduous additional Sabbath restrictions.

You may well argue how useful or well-thought-out or appropriate these are, but at least aim your arguments at the actual enactment rather than a straw-man version.

Blogger Silent Draco July 16, 2018 3:31 PM  

So once you reject the Torah, Genesis, Judges, Kings, Chronicles, and the books of the prophets (greater and lesser), what's left?

Something that looks and act like Medicare, enforced by the DMV people. NOT the original content, intent, or program.

Consider Matthew 21:33-46, and the Parable of the Tenants.

Blogger CM July 16, 2018 3:33 PM  

Of course praying to a saint is evil. NOWHERE in the Bible, Old Testament nor New, are we instructed even once to pray to any saint. We are instructed, always to pray only to God, and nobody else.

In Psalms and Revelations are references to what the Catholic church refers to as the communion of saints... that the saints pray with and for us. Asking them to intercess is like me asking you to pray for me... it is a timeless connection of The Church. It is not supposed to be a replacement for beseeching God ourselves.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 16, 2018 3:40 PM  

@68

"
Having actually read through a fair amount of the Talmud, you're the one lying here."

How do you do it?

Every time I start reading any part of it, the feeling of revulsion and disgust soon overwhelms me.

Blogger Joel C. Salomon July 16, 2018 3:41 PM  

@35 “So does Goyim mean heathen, foreigner or cattle? It's the word Jews use among themselves to describe gentiles, rather than use the word gentile, because reasons.”

In Biblical usage, the word goy means “nation” almost exactly. In later colloquial usage, the meaning became “member of the other nations”, i.e., “gentile”.

The choice of using an English word or a Hebrew one for any religious concept is one of attitude: for an innocuous example I find it more natural to speak of the holiday Pesach than Passover. Generally, use (in English) of the word goy rather than “gentile” implies a negative connotation. (Compare “heathen” vs. “non-Christian”.)

Blogger Gettimothy July 16, 2018 3:43 PM  

The Christians who do that rely upon the old testament and as far as I have ever heard, never the Talmud.

If that is true, then they are ignorant and foolish, but not intentionally evil.

God is Truth and the truth will come to light. When it does, those teachers will have a choice to make.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 16, 2018 3:54 PM  

It is always amusing to see the butthurt of Jews when they watch the wretched goyyim freely talk about their schools of thought and methods. As if the Chuch hasn't known about them since at least the 14th century? As if the Internet doesn't exist? As if we lack the ability to talk to each other. It's all right there. People just need the willpower to look at it.

@140 Of course praying to a saint is evil. NOWHERE in the Bible, Old Testament nor New, are we instructed even once to pray to any saint. We are instructed, always to pray only to God, and nobody else.

2 Maccabees 12:38-45 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
Prayers for Those Killed in Battle
38 Then Judas assembled his army and went to the city of Adullam. As the seventh day was coming on, they purified themselves according to the custom, and kept the sabbath there.

39 On the next day, as had now become necessary, Judas and his men went to take up the bodies of the fallen and to bring them back to lie with their kindred in the sepulchres of their ancestors. 40 Then under the tunic of each one of the dead they found sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear. And it became clear to all that this was the reason these men had fallen. 41 So they all blessed the ways of the Lord, the righteous judge, who reveals the things that are hidden; 42 and they turned to supplication, praying that the sin that had been committed might be wholly blotted out. The noble Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened as the result of the sin of those who had fallen. 43 He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. 44 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. 45 But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, so that they might be delivered from their sin.

Blogger Cloom Glue July 16, 2018 3:55 PM  

@54 E.Michael Jones says Mohammedans worship the same God as the Christians because monotheism ... but is a different understanding; minute 7:35 of Cultural Revolution, Logos, and Much More.

I am not impressed so far. He neglects imitation and deception by Satan to present a false father God. Islam is not a different understanding of the same God. He is trying to claim from Homer and Aristotle to Islam, some evolution of understanding of logos, apparently. I paused there.

Blogger S1AL July 16, 2018 4:08 PM  

Interesting tidbit buried in the middle of the article:

"By the 1950s, nearly all of America’s leading concentrations of electronic media power—with the sole major exception of Disney Studios—were solidly in Jewish hands. "

If you've ever wondered why Disney seems to be caught in internal conflict bouncing between the wholesome and unobjectionable and the rather horrific trends of, say, former child starts from the 90's... well, there's a reason. And that shift started fairly recently.

Blogger Anchorman July 16, 2018 4:13 PM  

Wait a second. Did someone just plumb the depths of an Adam Sandler movie to find a deep religious meaning?
Oy vey

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 16, 2018 4:14 PM  

@145 Gloom Glue

True, Jones says this. In my opinion, a man can't be right about everything. He's also a Novus Or do Catholic who considers the SSPX to be in schism--and I disagree with him on that. But I overlook such things, preferring not to be a purist. Besides, there's a good thing or two I disagree with VD on, yet I still have continued to read him daily for 15 years.

Blogger James Dixon July 16, 2018 4:14 PM  

> No what he is saying is not true.

Feel free to write up a rebuttal. I'm sure Vox would be willing to post a link to it.

> That's because it's not true.

See above.

> Um. You do realize that literally every single line of this article is a lie, right? Right?

Prove it.

As I've said, I'm sure Vox would be willing to link to rebuttals. He always has been.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 16, 2018 4:17 PM  

@109

> “Oh no. They’re dirty!”

> I could only ask:

> “What - all of them?”


Does a dot-Indian shit in the street?

Blogger S1AL July 16, 2018 4:19 PM  

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Blogger S1AL July 16, 2018 4:21 PM  

Other interesting note:

Historically, the United States has proven to be just about the only country that ever broke down Jewish cohesion.

Now, some of you are going to read this and think I'm crazy, but the numbers don't lie: until the post-Soviet collapse brought a million or so fresh Jewish immigrants to the United States, the Jewish population was actually shrinking at an unprecedented rate due to a combination of childlessness, out-group marriage, and conversion. And all that without an Inquisition.

No wonder the psycho "Orthodox" hate this country so much.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 16, 2018 4:25 PM  

@126

"They kicked me out of the group. Anyway, it felt like praying to Satan, although I'm sure I'll be schooled severely here if there is indeed Biblical backing for such a prayer."

Be glad. It was a nascent coven.

Blogger Cloom Glue July 16, 2018 4:26 PM  

@148 Ok. I started at a rough spot, as a warning to me, but I'll unpause while doing my house chores.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd July 16, 2018 4:28 PM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:2 Maccabees 12:38-45 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

Maccabees is good history, but not God-breathed.

Blogger English Tom July 16, 2018 4:29 PM  

@Jason

Don't forget the rabbis claim they are so important that God asks them for advice concerning the affairs of heaven.

Such blasphemy!

Blogger S1AL July 16, 2018 4:30 PM  

"Maccabees is good history, but not God-breathed."

Not even the Jews considered Maccabees to be scripture, on account that the succession of the Prophets had been broken. But, hey, now we're just rehashing a debate that traces back to Jerome at a minimum.

Blogger Latigo3 July 16, 2018 4:41 PM  

All of this attacking the messengers and the message, reminds me of the story in the Old Testament of when King Jehoshaphat and King Ahab were meeting prior to going to war as allies against Ramothgilead and the LORD sitting on his throne asking, "who shall persuade Ahab?"
That same type of spirit that deceived Ahab and his prophets is at work in this time.
Those false prophets, attacked the one true prophet Micaiah and that is what is done and always has been done. Unfortunately, Christianity is like King Jehoshaphat, hearing the truth, it is still enamored with the following, "I am as thou art, my people as thy people, my horses as thy horses". Jesus is the Messiah and like Paul told Timothy, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
Always begins with a rejection of God and his word, looking for something else, whether it be other words, other signs, talismans, etc.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch July 16, 2018 5:23 PM  

@155 "Maccabees is good history, but not God-breathed."

Ah yes. I can't forget that fateful day when God Himself sent down Pope-not-pope Martin Luther--straight from Heaven--with a scalpel in his hands, to pare and correct those silly verses and books in Scriptures that somehow remained in the codex, neglected and unnoticed, for over a thousand years.

The Council of Nicea and everyone afterwards got it wrong. But one revolutionary priest got it right!

Blogger Dirk Manly July 16, 2018 5:23 PM  

@138

"@125 Nearly every word of what you’ve said about the eruv is wrong.

By tradition, one of the “labors” (melachoth) forbidden on the Sabbath is carrying items from private domains into heavily-trafficked public areas, or through such heavily-trafficked public areas. Some highways would fall under that definition, but most public spaces would not."

You're telling us that any any hour of any day, BROADWAY AVENUE in Manhattan is not a heavily-trafficked area? Because that's right down the middle of the territory marked out by the thin wire in Manhattan.

Please, if you're going to lie, at least make it a believable lie.

Blogger S1AL July 16, 2018 5:29 PM  

"Ah yes. I can't forget that fateful day when God Himself sent down Pope-not-pope Martin Luther--straight from Heaven--with a scalpel in his hands, to pare and correct those silly verses and books in Scriptures that somehow remained in the codex, neglected and unnoticed, for over a thousand years."

Enough with the lies, papist. The Lutheran Bible still contains Maccabees.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 16, 2018 5:30 PM  

@140


"In Psalms and Revelations are references to what the Catholic church refers to as the communion of saints... that the saints pray with and for us. Asking them to intercess is like me asking you to pray for me... it is a timeless connection of The Church. It is not supposed to be a replacement for beseeching God ourselves."

That's an awfully lame excuse for continuing the Roman pagan practices of idolatry and praying TO the dead.

Saints in communion..... does Revelation instruct us, at any time, to call upon these saints. "Praying to saints" is not "like asking you to pray for me." Praying to saints is PRAYING to some entity other than God.

With reasoning like what you display, no wonder the Catholic church is so screwed up. All of these anti-Biblical practices, are rationalized by the same "well, those words actually have a hidden meaning" Because what, God wanted to give us instructions in a form which would mislead us, unless, if and only if, we understood completely non-standard definitions of words?

MAD TV John Madden: "Remember, when I say monkey, it really means vagina."

Blogger Dirk Manly July 16, 2018 5:41 PM  

@147

"Wait a second. Did someone just plumb the depths of an Adam Sandler movie to find a deep religious meaning?"

Most Adam Sandler movies are about how a Jew (Adam Sandler) overcomes, and defeats -- to the point of humiliation -- some Christian who is portrayed as living an entire life with a stick up his rear end.

Rodney Dangerfield's movies Caddyshack and Back To School are the same concept.

There is one Adam Sandler movie that's different. He's working as a clerk in some warehouse. He discovers that some fruit company is running a proof-of-purchase promotion which can be gamed into providing him practically a lifetime of free air travel. Since I've never heard of a Jewish owned airline other than El Al, I presume that, once again, it's a variation on the same theme.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella July 16, 2018 5:42 PM  

Why does everyone gang up and slap Baptists around? We are talking about a group of peasants in the most European sense- poorly formally educated tenant farmworkers or people at the edges of society- even in America- Cumberland Gap, wild Indians scalping them if found, and all that- and yet, this is the only group of lower cast people to have pastors that kept them from the poisons and thievery of alcohol, gambling, whoring, and vain dreaming offered by the tribe.

I know it's fashionable to look down on people raised to be suspicious of movies, social drinking, unsure about dancing- these aren't the people invited to English country dances under the stern eyes of rector fathers- do you think they were having loads of sin-bearing fun at their all-night prayer sessions?

They emerged from being blighted and starved out by the Civil War, sober, clear-eyed, ambitious. They rebuilt their war ravaged land. They cared for their ragged, starved kin.

They read their Bibles. The tightest readings on what Jews are up to, and have been up to, forever, are from cradle Baptists.

I was raised this way. It's not fun or fluffy or easy, but it's also not the wide path of alcoholism, which seems to be an affliction of Lutherans, Latvians, Russians, Episcopalians. No slavery to the rum-runner is kind of big deal,wouldn't you think?

Blogger hadley July 16, 2018 5:43 PM  

This is what Prof. Noah Feldman of Harvard had to say in the New York Times about violating shabbos to save a life of a goy back in 2007:

"One time at Maimonides [Jewish High School in Brookline, MA] a local physician — a well-known figure in the community who later died tragically young — addressed a school assembly on the topic of the challenges that a modern Orthodox professional may face. The doctor addressed the Talmudic dictum that the saving of a life trumps the Sabbath. He explained that in its purest form, this principle applies only to the life of a Jew. The rabbis of the Talmud, however, were unprepared to allow the life of a non-Jew to be extinguished because of the no-work commandment, and so they ruled that the Sabbath could be violated to save the life of a non-Jew out of concern for maintaining peaceful relations between the Jewish and non-Jewish communities.

Depending on how you look at it, this ruling is either an example of outrageously particularist religious thinking, because in principle it values Jewish life more than non-Jewish life, or an instance of laudable universalism, because in practice it treats all lives equally. The physician quite reasonably opted for the latter explanation. And he added that he himself would never distinguish Jewish from non-Jewish patients: a human being was a human being.

This appealing sentiment did not go unchallenged. One of my teachers rose to suggest that the doctor’s attitude was putting him in danger of violating the Torah. The teacher reported that he had himself heard from his own rabbi, a leading modern-Orthodox Talmudist associated with Yeshiva University, that in violating the Sabbath to treat a non-Jew, intention was absolutely crucial. If you intended to save the patient’s life so as to facilitate good relations between Jews and non-Jews, your actions were permissible. But if, to the contrary, you intended to save the patient out of universal morality, then you were in fact guilty of violating the Sabbath, because the motive for acting was not the motive on the basis of which the rabbis allowed the Sabbath violation to occur.

Later, in class, the teacher apologized to us students for what he said to the doctor. His comments, he said, were inappropriate — not because they were wrongheaded, but because non-Jews were present in the audience when he made them.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 16, 2018 5:45 PM  

@149

>> No what he is saying is not true.

> Feel free to write up a rebuttal. I'm sure Vox would be willing to post a link to it.

>> That's because it's not true.

> See above.

>> Um. You do realize that literally every single line of this article is a lie, right? Right?

> Prove it.


When a multi-pronged attack of "debunking by mere assertion without evidence" arises, it's practically guaranteed that not only are you over the target, but the bombsight is so well dialed-in that the bombs are landing dead center on the aim point.

Blogger hadley July 16, 2018 5:54 PM  

Make that "Harvard Law School", not "Harvard".

Here is the link to the Feldman NYT article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22yeshiva-t.html

He got hammered by his tribesmen. Not because his exegesis was incorrect, but because he was a race-traitor.

Luckily, no one invoked the famous Jewish death curse ("pulsa denura") on Feldman like they did on Yitzak Rabin.

See https://www.haaretz.com/1.4925355

Blogger Dirk Manly July 16, 2018 5:55 PM  

@165

"
Later, in class, the teacher apologized to us students for what he said to the doctor. His comments, he said, were inappropriate — not because they were wrongheaded, but because non-Jews were present in the audience when he made them."

And that's the true heart of it: "We hate the goyim -- but remember, don't let them find out!"

Blogger cavalier973 July 16, 2018 6:09 PM  

Matthew 8:11-12

Blogger Robert Pinkerton July 16, 2018 6:13 PM  

This may get me banned, however, after reading the Unz article and the stream of commentary on his site, plus reading the stream of commentary above, once again I thank my Gods that I am a "pagan"/"Heathen." Abrahamic (Jewish, Christian, and Muslim) sibling rivalry would be amusing if it were not so sanguinary and often incensed with the smell of burning human flesh.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 July 16, 2018 6:24 PM  

I haven't studied the JQ. Studying too many other things.

VD stated in a darkstream that Jews were "raping the German economy." Would love some reading material on that.

As for the post... anyone who's read the Bible knows it encourages discrimination against non-Jews. Hardly controversial.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 16, 2018 6:28 PM  

Robert Pinkerton wrote:This may get me banned, however, after reading the Unz article and the stream of commentary on his site, plus reading the stream of commentary above, once again I thank my Gods that I am a "pagan"/"Heathen." Abrahamic (Jewish, Christian, and Muslim) sibling rivalry would be amusing if it were not so sanguinary and often incensed with the smell of burning human flesh.
Either you're a pagan, and so have no call to criticize other religions for the smell of burning human flesh, or you're an atheist, and have no objective reason to call out anyone for the smell of burning human flesh.

Blogger Chris Ritchie July 16, 2018 6:33 PM  

The Jew, in other words, could not appeal to sacred writ without the permission of the rabbis who controlled the Talmud. The Talmud became, as a result, control through hermeneutics.

I recognize this pattern. We see it all throughout our "expert" culture:

Medicine: "Just take this thalidomide and you'll be fine." - Doctor
Academia: "That's not what it really means. You just haven't studied enough." - Professor
Government: "I've been at this for 3 decades now. We know what we are doing. Just continue to obey every law and regulation we write and remember that this is a free country." - Bureaucrat
Religion: "I'm the priest/clergy and only I can properly interpret this holy book for you. I will tell you what it says. You just shut up and listen." - Seminary Graduate
Science: - "Evolution is an established fact. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't have access to the same information I do. So just accept what I've stated on basis of my wonderful credentials and peer reviewed papers." - (((Scientist)))

I could go on.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 16, 2018 6:37 PM  

"sibling rivalry would be amusing if it were not so sanguinary and often incensed with the smell of burning human flesh."

So you'd rather jump into the pot outright than even try to avoid it, because trying hurts.

Blogger AnvilTiger July 16, 2018 6:57 PM  

I had a huge jewish community near me when growning up, and probably a third of my (very large) high school were "jews". Almost zero were religious. They were like "Easter Christians" - you know, the people who show up to church only on Christmas and Easter. Most of them enjoyed Hanukkah AND had Christmas trees (double presents!) So you know, jews but not "jew jews". Of course, this was in the midwest.

That said, yes a lot of the problems in our culture are due to certain jews - mainly hollywood and the main stream media. Many (perhaps most) of these have socialist roots. Bolsheviks and Trotskyites deliberately destroying American culture.

Blogger LogicTsunami July 16, 2018 7:19 PM  

"Judaism Discovered" by Michael Hoffman woke me up bigly regarding the JQ. Just make sure you have something good to drink when reading to wash down all the red pills.

Blogger Alphaeus July 16, 2018 7:20 PM  

"The Council of Nicea and everyone afterwards got it wrong. But one revolutionary priest got it right!"

I'm a Protestant and I affirm the Nicene Creed, as long as it refers to a small "c" holy catholic Church.

Nicene Creed. (2011). Encyclopædia Britannica. Encyclopædia Britannica Deluxe Edition. Chicago: Encyclopædia Britannica.
"also called Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed
a Christian statement of faith that is the only ecumenical creed because it is accepted as authoritative by the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, and major Protestant churches. The Apostles' and Athanasian creeds are accepted by some but not all of these churches."

Infogalactic says this about the Nicene Creed:
"Some evangelical and other Christians consider the Nicene Creed helpful and to a certain extent authoritative, but not infallibly so in view of their belief that only Scripture is truly authoritative.[44][45]"

Blogger VD July 16, 2018 7:39 PM  

Shopping? Is that the best you've got?

Not even close. The point, Shimshon, is that particular line of defense just got blown conclusively away. Look, you've been here long enough to know that a fighting withdrawal is not going to work here. The eruv is an excellent material example of the "you can fool God" legalisms that pervade the entire Talmud.

Look, you simply cannot hide from what is there and what everyone can now read for themselves. The old dodges simply won't work anymore. "Two Jews, three opinions" is cute and all, but not when one of those opinions is deemed abominable by civilized nations.

Blogger Moggy July 16, 2018 7:46 PM  

Look, um... does it bother you at all that only a few decades ago, millions of innocent people were murdered because of lies like this? And that it looks pretty set to happen again soon?

Blogger Lazarus July 16, 2018 7:55 PM  

Moggy wrote:Look, um... does it bother you at all that only a few decades ago, millions of innocent people were murdered because of lies like this? And that it looks pretty set to happen again soon?

66 million people were murdered by Jewish Bolsheviks.

Blogger Jack July 16, 2018 8:07 PM  

OneWingedShark: Yes, I can elaborate but you'll have to tell me which part of my post interests you the most. Google "Judeo-Nazarene" if you want to start investigating biological Judahites who recognized Jesus but still adhered to the "law" of the Jews. If you are interested in their relationship to Islam, that's probably too big a leap from conventional history to make in a single post. You might want to start with Patricia Crone's Hagarism for Islamic revisionism. A lot of her affirmative claims are wrong but she is a good introduction to the actual primary sources about Islamic history and how the conventional history is wrong. From there, look into Prof. Gallez's works on the origin of Islam for support for the thesis that pro-Jesus Jews allied with Arabs to recapture Jerusalem, and the ideology of that alliance is the origin of the Quran.

Blogger Mace Dindu July 16, 2018 8:07 PM  

"But the truth is what it is, not what we would prefer it to be, so if you take any issue with it, or if you feel the need to run around shrieking about the anti-semitism of self-hating Jews, then I suggest you take it up with either Mr. Unz or Mr. Shahak."

Please: shlomophobia.

Blogger RA July 16, 2018 8:12 PM  

Someone once pointed out to me long ago that while the Holocaust did happen, there was no way it could have happened on the scale it did without the help of the secular Jews who sold out their fellow Jews. In other words, Soros was far from an isolated instance of this conduct; there were many more like him.

Soros may be regretting his openness to this question years ago, but then again maybe not ... there is something to these sociopaths who have to show the world what they got. On the other hand, he hasn't yet been shown the harsh consequences that should be his. So there is something to his arrogance.

Blogger Joel C. Salomon July 16, 2018 8:18 PM  

Dirk Manly at @160 said,
“You're telling us that any any hour of any day, BROADWAY AVENUE in Manhattan is not a heavily-trafficked area? Because that's right down the middle of the territory marked out by the thin wire in Manhattan.”

Like I said, the definition is narrow; the details are somewhat more complicated than can be conveniently summarized in a blog comment. (Manhattan being an island complicates matters somewhat.) As it happens, Broadway is an edge case, qualifying as “heavily-trafficked” under some understandings but not all, and therefore not all observant Jews use the eruv in Manhattan.

Re. @125, there are other Sabbath rules in play. Suffice it that no Jew who is scrupulous to use the eruv is going shopping at all, eruv or no.

Blogger Lovekraft July 16, 2018 8:31 PM  

What if Judaism and Islam were Egyptian concoctions?

And Jesus Christ was the one who threw a wrench in the whole works (with some help from Buddha)?

Blogger VD July 16, 2018 8:31 PM  

Look, um... does it bother you at all that only a few decades ago, millions of innocent people were murdered because of lies like this? And that it looks pretty set to happen again soon?

It doesn't bother me in the slightest. I don't care about the Jews anymore than I care about the Chinese or the Cambodians or the Rwandans. If you want to play the victim card, do keep in mind that I am an American Indian and I don't see you crying for my people.

But you're right, it is going to happen again, as I have been warning my Jewish friends for some time now. I'm not even remotely concerned about what happens to the Jews who refuse to either a) stop antagonizing the nations in which they reside or b) heed the many warnings they have received.

Blogger Joel Godfrey July 16, 2018 8:35 PM  

Maybe the NAZIS new this heh? A long time ago, about 12 years ago, I started finding out about all of these screwed up writings/ views in the Talmud about Christ and Christians and did anyone listen? No! People still refuse to believe this stuff. Half of My family is what I would call the Jew worshiping fake Christians that would rather not look into the Talmud or see religious Jews as a threat. I've talked to many about the excrement thing, spitting by the cemetery thing and the child rape stuff that seems acceptable in their Talmud if it is non- Jews being the victim. 99% of the people look at you like you're crazy and just ignore what you say and refuse to address any issues.

Maybe you need an IQ of 115 or above to be able to question mainstream beliefs or something? Most Americans aren't willing to question anything non mainstreamlined by the media it seems. I guess it works for religious Jews who hate Christianity so what the hell, right?

Blogger Mark Stoval July 16, 2018 8:39 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:@165

...
And that's the true heart of it: "We hate the goyim -- but remember, don't let them find out!"


I have noticed that almost everyone in the world who is not white European hates white Europeans. And if they are Christian whites then they hate us all the more.

Then the bastards have the audacity to be offended because some of us return the favor and hate them back.

Blogger Lovekraft July 16, 2018 8:44 PM  

In the Cerebus arc "Latter Days", Dave Sim puts for the theory that the God in the Old Testament or Yahweh, is the god of the earth, the rebellious and vindictive spirit that always desires to be better than God, so it deceives and promises glory for blood offerings (which Dave says will be paid back at a future date - you guess which event this was).

The double-issue "Twinkle Twinkle" (issues 289/90) present some metaphysical concepts that will astound you.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 16, 2018 9:01 PM  

My own knowledge of that religion is absolutely negligible

One way you can tell that Unz is a legit big-brained nibba -- he's not afraid to say "I don't know."

Blogger Meng Greenleaf July 16, 2018 9:05 PM  

The whole focus on ritualistic behaviours or ideology is a clever trick. I wonder which Greek cult they stole that idea from? Obviously not a Hero one, maybe a minor Trickster?

Blogger Meng Greenleaf July 16, 2018 9:06 PM  

🙄 * over a

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 16, 2018 9:18 PM  

@8 AbsurdityIsPeace

And remember, this is the religion of Ben Shapiro

What's the chance that he knows nothing about these traditions and beliefs?


Approximately zero. Look up "Kol Nidre" and what it means. Not what they say it means "in context" (that's just pilpul), but the direct, word for word translation of the prayer.

Or do a search for "spitting on priests Jerusalem."

Blogger tz July 16, 2018 9:27 PM  

Quite Talmuddy waters run shallow

Blogger Bobiojimbo July 16, 2018 9:30 PM  

@15 Peter, it's been a long time since I've read Revelations, thanks for that share. I wasn't thinking of any scripture in particular, however, after thinking about it, it does remind me of 2 Chronicles. The whole book is about the Jews turning away from God and worshiping pagan gods, being punished for their sins, and then turning back to God, under their various kings.

I recommend y'all read it, and as you do, keep in mind Unz's and Vox's words.

Blogger tz July 16, 2018 9:34 PM  

@95 The question that is always on the forefront of my mind my mind for Christians is how best to reach the Jewish people for the Messiah. How is the Christian provoking the unbelieving Jew to consider the Messiahship of Y'shua?

I would be reaching if they would stop biting at my hands. 70% voted for Hillary, Tel Aviv was voted the most LGBTQ friendly city in the world, and Caitlyn (cow? steer?) Jenner got some kind of friend of Israel award.

I'm done reaching out when all I feel are sharp objects trying to nail my wrists.

Maybe if we provoked the unbelieving Jew to stop burning the world into a Satanic hell, we could talk after they stopped.

Blogger Darwinite July 16, 2018 9:36 PM  

When I’ve been in the Manhattan eruv, all the Jewish-owned businesses close early on Friday, and don’t reopen until Sunday, so are the “possesions” all the gentile-owned businesses?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 16, 2018 9:48 PM  

@42 Brick Hardslab

Ron Unz is convinced illegals commit crimes at similar rates with non-immigrant non-Hispanic whites. Maybe he really believes it or maybe he's a Californian politician

Unz is a very bright [secular? atheist?] Jew whose perspective seems to be essentially "Hey, we're winning this thing, ya putzes! Why ya gotta push so hard? Slow and steady wins the race."

Hence his earlier opposition to bilingual education (promoting the "assimilation" canard)... and his unwavering support for large-scale mestizo immigration. He's NOT on our side -- but his research and analysis is worth reading nonetheless. "Meritocracy" in particular.

But he overestimates the role of rationality (and underestimates the role of instinct/ rationalization) in human behavior. They can't help it. The scorpion and the frog.

Part of his motivation here is likely to reinforce the "Just a religion, goy!" trope. Doesn't mean he's wrong about what he's saying; just that it's (at least in part) a distraction.

Blogger Lazarus July 16, 2018 9:51 PM  

If we are to be fair, Jewish liturgy involves reading of the Torah (5 books of Moses) and Haftarah (related Tanach texts not of the Torah). They read the whole Torah in sections that last all year, and then they repeat.

The Talmud is composed of legal opinions based on Torah and opinions based on the opinions, much like case law versus the constitution. Problem being, it is held in equal regard to the Torah by calling it the "Oral Torah".

OY VEY, what happened to get it in writing?

So yes, basically man made BS, just like the Hadith in Islam.

And my point is?

All religions substitute opinon for sacred text.

And when they do, it is an attempt to exclude the individual from the power inherent in the texts as revealed by the Ruach Hakodesh (Holy Spirit).

One King and Priest only.

Go to the Source.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine July 16, 2018 10:13 PM  

"Look, um... does it bother you at all that only a few decades ago, millions of innocent people were murdered because of lies like this? And that it looks pretty set to happen again soon?"

Not as much as it bothers me that the supposed victims were claiming it was going to be six million sacrificed a quarter century before it happened.

Hitler is in the history books as evil precisely because he lost. There were many other people even more evil than him around the same time frame, but they didn't lose, and conveniently you've forgotten them because you're derivative of them.

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