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Sunday, July 01, 2018

The collapse of the neocons

NeverTrump was just another word for neoconservative. Or, as they were originally and more accurately labeled, Trotskyite World Revolutionary. But conservatism is even deader than neoconservatism, because there is nothing left to conserve.
With the installation of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court, and a yet-to-be-named reliable replacement for the unreliable Anthony Kennedy, Donald Trump will have confirmed himself as the most consequential conservative president of the modern era (or a close second to Reagan if you’re nostalgic). This will be complete vindication for Trump supporters, which means it’s really the end for the so-called Never Trump conservatives. Of course, there have been so many humiliating defeats for that crowd that we are spoiled for choice. What was your favorite blunder, or blown prediction, which marked their ignominious end?

For some, it must have been in March when Bill Kristol, longtime editor of the conservative magazine the Weekly Standard, showed up in New Hampshire telling people he would run against President Trump in 2020. Or in April when the conservative website RedState was taken over and purged of writers who were “insufficiently supportive” of the president. Some go back to October 2017 when a Twitter spat broke out between Stephen Hayes and Brit Hume of Fox News over the Weekly Standard’s anti-Trump editorials. With the death last week of Charles Krauthammer, the revered neocon commentator and prominent Trump skeptic, the eclipse of the neocon intellectuals is complete.

One thing’s for sure: it wasn’t really a war so much as a rout. The Never Trump intellectual crowd has no momentum and no popular following these days. Consider the trajectory of their would-be leader Kristol, who appears to be indulging in a personal fantasy by putting himself forward as a candidate, as his rapport with GOP voters includes trying to run Evan McMullin in Utah to throw the 2016 election to Hillary Clinton. When that stunt failed, Kristol personally insulted the pro-Trump writer Michael Anton for his influential essay “The Flight 93 election.” Then Kristol’s commentator gig with Fox was not renewed, and he was soon accusing Tucker Carlson of “ethno-nationalism” and “racism.” Overshadowing all of these breaks was Kristol’s personal history of being the conservative’s answer to Bob Shrum, a political “pro” who was always very wrong about politics.

Of course, Kristol was not alone in his contempt for Trump — he was only the most vocal and unhinged. Alongside him were other conservatives like Jennifer Rubin and George Will and Michael Gerson at the Washington Post; Bret Stephens at the Wall Street Journal; David Brooks and Ross Douthat at the New York Times; Jonah Goldberg and David French at National Review; Ramesh Ponnuru at Bloomberg; and Erick Erickson at RedState. A number of others, people like David Frum and Ana Navarro, committed political seppuku early and endorsed Hillary Clinton. Needless to say, the careers of most of these people have been curtailed dramatically.
Notice the studious omission of the Littlest Chickenhawk, who was second only to Bill Kristol in his furious denouncing of the God-Emperor during the campaign. After all, did Donald Trump not condone the RAPE and MURDER of whatever her name was by his own campaign manager? What this tells us is that the authors of the media narrative still believe that Benny Shapiro is salvageable; notice that no one else from the Intellectual Dark Web is on the list of NeverTrump conservatives, probably because none of them can even be considered as "conservative" as Jennifer Rubin, the controlled opposition figure who was a Democrat and Hollywood lawyer before she suddenly appeared as an Important Opinion Leader in the so-called conservative media.

Where is Thomas Sowell? Dana Loesch, Michael Medved, and Cal Thomas? They are all anti-Trump conservatives who were featured in National Review's deeply heretical Conservatives Against Trump issue. They should all be purged from the Right and cast out into the outer darkness, where the glory of the God-Emperor is but a distant glimmer.

Below is the list of the intellectually unfit, whose names are anathema to anyone genuinely of the Right. We can no longer be accurately described as the Alt-Right or the Alternative Right, because we are not the alternative and there is no longer any legitimate right-wing alternative to us. There are merely various flavors of anti-nationalist left-wing globalism, regardless of whether they happen to call themselves "conservatives" or "liberals" or "communists".
  • GLENN BECK
  • DAVID BOAZ
  • L. BRENT BOZELL III
  • MONA CHAREN
  • BEN DOMENECH
  • ERICK ERICKSON
  • STEVEN F. HAYWARD
  • MARK HELPRIN
  • WILLIAM KRISTOL
  • YUVAL LEVIN
  • DANA LOESCH
  • ANDREW C. MCCARTHY
  • DAVID MCINTOSH
  • MICHAEL MEDVED
  • EDWIN MEESE III
  • RUSSELL MOORE
  • MICHAEL B. MUKASEY
  • KATIE PAVLICH
  • JOHN PODHORETZ
  • R. R. RENO
  • THOMAS SOWELL
  • CAL THOMAS
  • JONAH GOLDBERG
  • BEN SHAPIRO
  • GEORGE WILL
  • JENNIFER RUBIN
  • DAVID BROOKS
  • DAVID FRENCH
  • RICH LOWRY
  • DAVID FRUM
  • ANA NAVARRO
  • BRET STEPHENS
  • RAMESH PONNURU
  • KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON
  • RICK WILSON

157 Comments:

Blogger TM Lutas July 01, 2018 11:05 AM  

Nothing left to conserve? I think that Machiavelli in his Discourses on Livy disagreed. When a country gets in trouble, it returns to founding principles. The man was pretty emphatic about that. There is where viable conservatism can stand.

If alt-right is going to be something other than a confused and disguised new form of leftism seeking to blaze yet another chancy new trail, drawing accurately from the best of the Western tradition is where it needs to go and that very much includes Machiavelli's how to guide on running a republic.

Blogger AvocadoBob July 01, 2018 11:06 AM  

Make their names known, and let them be hunted down by the Inquisition.

For the glory of the Eagle Throne!

For the God-Emperor!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 01, 2018 11:06 AM  

I didn't realize McCarthy was NeverTrump. Every time I've seen him speak or read anything he's written, it's been attacking Mueller, Rosenstein, etc. and implicitly defending Trump.

But then again, I did also wonder how he was still writing at NR.

Blogger AvocadoBob July 01, 2018 11:08 AM  

Dude, Conservatives couldn’t even conserve the sanctity of the girl’s bathroom from pervs who “identified” as female.

There is nothing left to conserve because the guard dogs we put in charge didn’t just not attack, they wagged their tails at the thieves and murderers.

You can’t conserve something that is dead.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 01, 2018 11:10 AM  

TM Lutas, why don't you read the 16 principles of the Alt-Right, found....right here on this blog, right side of the page.

Blogger Doug Cranmer July 01, 2018 11:13 AM  

So we're drawing up lists.

I'm ok with that. It's just I saw The Death of Stalin last night where it was played for laughs so it stood out here.

I reccomend the movie. Dark and quirky

Blogger Joeplanet July 01, 2018 11:20 AM  

I noticed that paleo-conservative Mark Levin is not on this list. He runs hot and cold in his support of Trump these days. More supportive than not but it is usually free trade that gets him into trouble with support for the God Emperor.

Any thoughts on him?

Blogger James Jones July 01, 2018 11:24 AM  

NeverTrump is NeverConservative. Traitors. I hope there is a reckoning one day.

But at least you have a real conservative in power. In the UK we have Theresa the Appeaser.

Blogger Zander Stander July 01, 2018 11:25 AM  

Passenger list for the short helicopter ride? Surely there is still room for more?

Blogger FUBARwest July 01, 2018 11:26 AM  

I didn't realize Sowell was on the list. Don't know why but I thought he had some sense. Atleast Victor Davis Hanson hasn't gone cuckmode.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey July 01, 2018 11:26 AM  

I can’t forget Kevin D. Williamson either. What a loser!

Blogger RC July 01, 2018 11:36 AM  

TGE has marked out new territory for the history books. Is there anyone historically who has overcome more obstacles and opposition than he to obtain and exercise power? DJT removed the middleman and brilliantly so.

Blogger Lushtree July 01, 2018 11:38 AM  

I am glad to see Rush Limbaugh is not on the list. For all his civic nationalism, he has at least been reliably on Trump’s side.

Blogger cheddarman July 01, 2018 11:44 AM  

Benjamin Netenyahu should invite all of them to emigrate to Israel. Then he can point to them as a group and say "This is what traitors look like. Don't be a traitor"

Blogger Miguel July 01, 2018 11:44 AM  

"Vox making lists Iists Not Who We Are©."
- Miguel B. Peterson.

Blogger Shimshon July 01, 2018 11:51 AM  

These cretins must be controlled (vs approved) opposition. Correct?

How else do you explain, even today, in mid-2018, calls for a Democratic Senate (by George Will, for example) to impede Trump's nominations? Why do any of them even still have platforms? How many of them aren't even American (even in a "hello fellow white people sense") like Krauthammer?

Is anyone tired of winning yet?

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 July 01, 2018 11:53 AM  

As far as your list goes, I don't have an issue with most of it.

When I read Sowell's piece about Trump, I got the distinct impression that he was hinting he planned to vote for Trump and was only writing the piece to keep the peace with his fellows at NRO. It's not a brave move for sure, but like Kennedy he's an old guy looking to retire in peace. I'll give him that much.

I mostly like Dana Loesch, but I've never listened to her show and some of the work she's done for the NRA has been downright cringey ("They use their media to assassinate real news" sounds a lot better in print than it does spoken, Dana). So while I like *some* of her work, I'm not going to quibble on this. I also didn't notice her having much negative to say about Trump - I guess I missed it.

There's a special place in hell for Bret Stephens in my book for his "repeal the 2nd Amendment" piece in the Times. Granted, that's the line he has to take to be a 'conservative' working at the Times, but what value does he have to those of us on the Right if the moment he takes the job he starts parroting the Progressive line?

I've seen a public admission by Shapiro that he was wrong about Trump's utility re: SCOTUS - but his reaction on Twitter recently to people bringing it up gave me the distinct impression that he thinks he ought to be forgiven for trying to throw the election to Hillary despite not actually issuing a general mea culpa. So, agreed.

Jennifer Rubin has proven to be completely nuts. And I think it was perfectly fair for one Twitter user to say something like "let's thank this crazy Jewish lady for explaining Christianity to us" in response to her recently. Sean Davis has gotten plenty of mileage on The Federalist writing about her hilarious about-faces.

Your list is missing Kevin D. Williamson.

I didn't know Pavlich was anti-Trump. That's surprising, and a shame - she did good work on Fast&Furious.

A lot of the other names I either don't recognize or simply don't care about. I'll give Sowell a semi-pass, but he's the only one.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 01, 2018 11:55 AM  

The sheer number of Jewish/Irish names on tjwg list should be enlightening to any Civic nationalist .

Neither group ever became American.

Blogger VD July 01, 2018 11:55 AM  

Nothing left to conserve? I think that Machiavelli in his Discourses on Livy disagreed. When a country gets in trouble, it returns to founding principles. The man was pretty emphatic about that. There is where viable conservatism can stand.

Yes. The USA cannot return to its founding principles without repatriating more than 50 percent of its population. Most of the citizenry does not respect the Constitution, and with good reason, since it was not written to defend their rights and they have never understood it. They are not, and never will be, Posterity.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 01, 2018 11:55 AM  

Let Inquisition commence.

Blogger VD July 01, 2018 12:00 PM  

Your list is missing Kevin D. Williamson.

Good point. Added.

Blogger Shimshon July 01, 2018 12:01 PM  

I'm sure there are many other worthy members of this list who have been inadvertently omitted.

https://www.vox.com/2018/3/1/17058622/mona-charen-trump-cpac-sexual-harassment (notice the recent date)

[Mona] Charen, speaking on a panel at the Conservative Political Action Conference, dropped a match into a tinderbox when she told the audience that conservatives were “being hypocrites about sexual harassers and abusers of women who are in our party, who are sitting in the White House, who brag about their extramarital affairs, who brag about mistreating women,” adding, “You cannot claim that you stand for women and put up with that.”

What about Me-So Michelle? Is she one of them too?

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey July 01, 2018 12:06 PM  

I think Mark Levin is tricky, he has certainly been considered a neocon in the past with justification. But a Never Trumper? No. He's a edge case. He certainly was a leading Cruzlim during the primaries, but once Cruz lost he swung over and picked up the MAGA banner. He's been stalwart in his support against the effort to impeach Trump, and an asset in that fight.

He is a firm believer in the free trade dogmas, yes, and here he knocks heads with Trump on policy. He does support Trump on immigration, which suggests he has been blind to the negative effects of free trade, and does not realize that free movement of labor cannot be separated from his own free trade dogma.

Blogger VD July 01, 2018 12:11 PM  

Malkin wasn't anti-Trump. She endorsed his position on immigration pretty early on. Trump doesn't think much of her, but then, who does anymore?

Blogger James Dixon July 01, 2018 12:11 PM  

> So we're drawing up lists.

Do you have a better suggestion for keeping track of traitors?

> I didn't realize Sowell was on the list.

Sowell was very much a never Trumper during the primaries. But once Trump won he pretty much shut up. AFAIK he's never come out in support of Trump.

> I am glad to see Rush Limbaugh is not on the list. For all his civic nationalism, he has at least been reliably on Trump’s side.

Rush and Hannity were reliably pro-Trump once he won the nomination. Before that they were supportive, but no more than for many of the other candidates. I have no problem with that position.

Blogger seeingsights July 01, 2018 12:11 PM  

I suggest adding Max Boot. Clearly anti-Trump, his views for years can by described as "invade the world, invite the world."

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 01, 2018 12:12 PM  

Hugh Hewitt

Blogger James Dixon July 01, 2018 12:13 PM  

> I'm sure there are many other worthy members of this list who have been inadvertently omitted.

He'd need a bigger blog. Anyone up to maintaining a list? I could possibly put one up on Google Doc's and share it.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 July 01, 2018 12:17 PM  

I wouldn't bother adding Max Boot - I don't think anyone has ever believed he was right-wing.

Blogger Shimshon July 01, 2018 12:17 PM  

@24 "Malkin wasn't anti-Trump. She endorsed his position on immigration pretty early on. Trump doesn't think much of her, but then, who does anymore?"

I didn't go back far enough. I agree, must be NeverTrump from the beginning.

Prager is another who wasn't keen on Trump before the nomination, but he cared more about winning than "principle," and never wavered in support once he got it.

Blogger Quilp July 01, 2018 12:18 PM  

First off, I'm just glad to see the list itself. Secondly, seeing RR Reno on it made my day. Reno deserves worse, but this will do, for now.

Blogger Valiant July 01, 2018 12:22 PM  

Levin was never trump, he may not be in that article. But he was definitely a never trumper

Blogger Darwinite July 01, 2018 12:22 PM  

The CRTV crowd probably belong on a cuck list than a Never Trump list. Their opinion on Trump shifts with the wind. They all bent the knee, but only to conceal the shiv.

Blogger Mr. Deficient July 01, 2018 12:23 PM  

There are some differences between The Wicked who know the difference (goldburg, Shapiro etc) and those who are inadvertent cucks like Hannity etc. The main difference is that the we can accept the latter as non thought leaders/warriors, we cannot accept the former in any regard.


On one hand it will always make me a little bit upset to see Sowell sell out and end up on this list. On the other hand I am glad that he is the only name I ever gave a damn about.

If someone is up for a complete list Niall Ferguson should also be on there (sadly, but what do you expect from an academic).

Blogger VD July 01, 2018 12:24 PM  

So we're drawing up lists.

Because the likes of Benny Shapiro are already trying to conceal and minimize the fact of their earlier opposition.

Blogger wreckage July 01, 2018 12:26 PM  

One big question that people attacking Trump have to answer on free trade is... what free trade? Every single nation he has targeted for tariffs has been running an old school mercantilism scam on the USA for decades, whereby they insist on trade ONLY on egregiously advantageous terms. That's not trade, that's the US paying cash for market access.

So the US pays for EU defense, then pays giant bribes for access to EU markets, and people wonder how the Euros can afford so much "free stuff" for their people? Well, one answer is: they don't. The US is paying for it.

My question for Vox is: from the outside it looks like free movement of people breaks free trade. Is this accurate? Or are you arguing that the problem arises because free movement of people can't work, and without it, free movement of capital breaks free trade?

I think the latter is a better representation of your case, which I'm still labouring my way through; it's slow going because I have to rework multiple layers of mental model and plug them back in, smoke test, remodel, repeat.

Blogger VD July 01, 2018 12:26 PM  

On one hand it will always make me a little bit upset to see Sowell sell out and end up on this list. On the other hand I am glad that he is the only name I ever gave a damn about.

Do a name search for him here. I've known he was a sell-out for more than a decade. I admired him too, until we exchanged email, I corrected his erroneous public defense of Michelle Malkin with regards to Pearl Harbor and instead of publicly admitting it, he tried to wave it off.

Blogger VD July 01, 2018 12:27 PM  

My question for Vox is: from the outside it looks like free movement of people breaks free trade. Is this accurate?

Yes, but it is far from the only thing that does. The free movement of capital also does.

Blogger Mr. Deficient July 01, 2018 12:27 PM  

You can watch Shapiro's appearance on Bill Maher to see why they aren't even worthy to be frontliners or provocateurs in any sense. He just grants Maher about 15 different points any man of the right could not dream of granting. Particularly damning was his "I agree trump is an awful person blablabla". If we were to judge someone by their decisions given sufficient power, isn't trump objectively one of the greatest people of all time both despite and because of his flaws and quirks. God after all chose practically nothing but flawed men in the Bible and he never chose wrong.

Blogger Valiant July 01, 2018 12:31 PM  

He may be singing a different tune, now.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 July 01, 2018 12:33 PM  

I've gone through something of a transformation myself since finding Vox Popoli two and a half years ago - I don't know that I could have voted for Trump over Obama in '08 or '12. So I can forgive the skeptics their skepticism.

What I can't forgive is those who try to skate past the fact that they were skeptical.

Blogger Doug Cranmer July 01, 2018 12:36 PM  

>> So we're drawing up lists.
>
> Do you have a better suggestion
> for keeping track of traitors?

Oh, don't misunderstand. They have an effectiveness all their own.

Imagine being one of these traitors and getting multiple emails of these lists. Perhaps with their name highlighted or circled.

They know who they are and what they are. It sends a powerful message.

Blogger Ned July 01, 2018 12:36 PM  

Littlest Chickenhawk just doubled down - again : https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/06/ben-shapiro-im-happy-to-wait-for-the-mueller-indictments-im-happy-to-see-trump-impeached-video/

Blogger Dire Badger July 01, 2018 12:36 PM  

RC wrote:TGE has marked out new territory for the history books. Is there anyone historically who has overcome more obstacles and opposition than he to obtain and exercise power? DJT removed the middleman and brilliantly so.

If Everyone wasn't against the God-Emperor from the beginning, it would have been too easy.

Look at his list of business accomplishments. He seemed to always take on the hardest possible challenges, and very seldom did he fail... and then he promptly recovered and tried something even HARDER.

Lefties like to point out his two or three business failures out of the 50+ that he has run, and generally made successful, in a business that has over a 99% fail rate.

It is not even slightly unexpected that Trump is one of the greatest presidents we have ever had... He thrives on challenge, and I bet he's having the time of his life.

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas July 01, 2018 12:39 PM  

Sowell is still anti-Trump, even in his retirement. He took a few shots at him in his recent interview with Dave Rubin without mentioning him by name.

Also, I'd point out that Ron Paul has never and still does not support Trump. He's still whining about "muh libertarianism" even as he predicts the US is about to go through a Soviet style collapse. Rand is a lot more pragmatic, fortunately.

Blogger Doug Cranmer July 01, 2018 12:42 PM  

See my comment above.

These lists can be weaponized.
I'm alright with that.

But with the realistic understanding I may well end up on one some day.

I have family that grew up under Nazi occupation. I've heard the stories first hand.

But I didn't ask for this war. I just wanted to be left alone. But war chooses you.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 01, 2018 12:42 PM  

The Ron Paul presidency would have been an utter disaster.

Blogger VD July 01, 2018 12:49 PM  

But with the realistic understanding I may well end up on one some day.

You comment here. You are already on many of them, starting with Google.

Blogger Doug Cranmer July 01, 2018 12:59 PM  

Yes.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 July 01, 2018 1:02 PM  

Interesting thought occurred to me today about the America=Weimar comparisons after seeing the videos of the street fights going on.

If the Iraq/Afghan wars were our WW1 and the Obama administration our Weimar, the 2016 election would basically be if a nationalist party won in Weimar in 1928. It functioned as a sort of 'safety valve', reducing the urgency of nationalist sentiment and preventing an ultranationalist group like the Nazis from gaining prominence.

I based this thought on a comment re: 'civility' that I saw repeated many times about Trump: previous Republicans were nice, polite guys who got savaged as Hitler by the press and were easily cowed, causing the GOP base to select for someone who was neither as their front-runner - hence Trump's victory.

The comment was something to the effect of "If they don't like Trump, they're *really* not going to like the next guy if Trump loses."

I don't know enough about Weimar history to know how well it parallels our situation, so maybe I'm way off. But it amused me to consider.

Blogger Uncle John's Band July 01, 2018 1:05 PM  

The term "conservative" has always been a loser. Who aspires to be the late Byzantine Empire? Might as well call yourselves the retardaires.

Blogger Uncle John's Band July 01, 2018 1:12 PM  

Kristol is a dancing monkey who, if his writings are a reliable indicator, is to stupid to rise any higher.

Regarding L. Chickenhawk, it appears the IDW is going openly anti-MAGA. Bret Weinstein was bleating on twitter about #walkaway being dangerous if it leads to MAGA. We know how Peterson feels. Neocons are out, meet the new bottle.

Benny's election punditry aside, he is supposed to be part of the new controlled opposition team and wont be flushed with this batch of turds.

Blogger maniacprovost July 01, 2018 1:21 PM  

I wonder what Peggy Noonan did to stay off the list.

Blogger phunktor July 01, 2018 1:21 PM  

a purity spiral thst excommunicates Sowell is too damn pure

Blogger Lance E July 01, 2018 1:22 PM  

Guys like Glenn Beck, Bill Kristol and JPod went so far off the deep end that they almost deserve a list of their own. We could call it the "reprllent" list, and instead of going to Gitmo they could just get dropped in the exact center of the Sahara desert.

Was Ana Navarro ever on the "supposed to be conservative" list? I've never heard her do anything but shill for the left.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora July 01, 2018 1:22 PM  

I sure am glad the Absolute Boy Genius Shapiro didn't get Hillary like he said he wanted. What a short sighted hack. His defenders have been extra easy to troll this last week. I think they might be starting to see through his fraudulent pretenses.

Anonymous Anonymous July 01, 2018 1:24 PM  

David French? Charles Murray? Russel Moore?

Blogger VD July 01, 2018 1:30 PM  

a purity spiral thst excommunicates Sowell is too damn pure

It's not a purity spiral. Sowell is an enemy by his own public declaration. Deal with it.

David French? Charles Murray? Russel Moore?

This is why we call you Alt-Retard, Mick. Don't worry about it, just call French a cuck. That will serve.

Blogger Jack Amok July 01, 2018 1:34 PM  

I noticed that paleo-conservative Mark Levin is not on this list. He runs hot and cold in his support of Trump these days.

100% support isn't required. We can disagree on policy ideas, that's fine. What distinguishes a NeverTrumper is that they use the one thing they (claim) to disagree with him on as justification for throwing in with the enemy. In some cases, the disagreement just over "tone."

That's the give-away that they are the enemy, and have just been posing as allies.

Blogger David The Good July 01, 2018 1:34 PM  

Russell Moore is one of the worst. Good addition.

Blogger Slen July 01, 2018 1:37 PM  

Can any list of Never Trumpers ever really be complete without Charlie Sykes?

Blogger Chris McCullough July 01, 2018 1:43 PM  

Russel Moore is a Soros plant.

Blogger Didas Kalos July 01, 2018 1:46 PM  

Mark Levin has to be outed as a never Trumper and anti-american anti-liberty. $$$ The list should grow with time.

Blogger Red Rover July 01, 2018 1:48 PM  

@VD Thank you. Mark Halperin, the author of "Game Change"?

Blogger VD July 01, 2018 1:50 PM  

Mark Halperin, the author of "Game Change"?

Is it REALLY that hard to click on the link provided?

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 01, 2018 1:55 PM  

VD wrote:Sowell is an enemy by his own public declaration. Deal with it.

But, but, muh based black man!

Blogger Edward Isaacs July 01, 2018 2:03 PM  

>What was your favorite blunder, or blown prediction, which marked their ignominious end?

Matt Walsh's meltdown. I've never seen a better hissy fit. I still giggle every time I think of that beardy nu-male crying those big girly tears.

Close second: when Seizure Man tweeted out his "research" into tentacle hentai.

Blogger Red Rover July 01, 2018 2:06 PM  

@VD My apologies. I'll pay closer attention.

Blogger Mr. Smith July 01, 2018 2:09 PM  

Add the Koch Brothers to that list of anti-nationalist left-wingers.

Blogger Chesapean July 01, 2018 2:11 PM  

The "conservative movement" in America died when its leading public personality did: William Buckley.

This is not to say there was never much to it, other than a cult of personality. Instead, the Alt-Right might consider some of the practical aspects of this particular collapse. One is the value of teaching.

More than anything else, Buckley-as-exemplar of conservativism was a teacher. He certainly possessed original wit and intelligence, but he possessed few original ideas. Buckley worked primarily from old lesson plans.

The significant point: Buckley rose to prominence because people, generally speaking, like to learn.

I think the same common predilection is helping the Alt-Right.

Blogger phunktor July 01, 2018 2:17 PM  

womp.womp.womp.

Blogger Azimus July 01, 2018 2:20 PM  

Cal Thomas outlived Charles Krauthammer? Would never have expected that...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 01, 2018 2:24 PM  

Conservatism was and is a ghetto meant to for whites to be herded into then disposed of as needed.

Most of the goofs on this list would probably agree to repudiate their "whiteness" if asked, which would legitimize "whiteness" in the longer run.

Blogger Azimus July 01, 2018 2:27 PM  

Correct. It tool Tucker about 90'seconds to disembowel him and that included the time it took to introduce him and thank him for coming on the show. Boot is a charlatan - any excuse to start another war.

Blogger tuberman July 01, 2018 2:35 PM  

Excellent article, good start for a LIST.

Rush is smarter than most of these globalists, but he really hasn't converted to the actual Right, just makes the correct sounds. He puts on lesser Neos as replacements (days off) that tout obvious Neocon and "conservative" writers on his days off. I check in on his show about once every 2 weeks or so, as I want to check on what this sly dog is up too. He's not exactly a candidate for this list, but he is a Globalist, or at least a fame and money hog. Nice, for him, that he sees which way the winds are blowing.

Blogger Brick Hardslab July 01, 2018 2:44 PM  

Never Trump cucks are becoming unhinged in the comments sections of conservative sites I read. Usually intelligent commenters are sputtering incoherent obscenities. They fly into a rage at the drop of a hat or the word cuck.

Have they always been left-lite or has the loss of their position and influence pushed them left? Or can they just not stand their fellow Americans?

Blogger James Dixon July 01, 2018 2:57 PM  

> Levin was never trump, he may not be in that article. But he was definitely a never trumper

There's a big difference between being never Trump during the primaries and being never Trump after he got the nomination.

> But with the realistic understanding I may well end up on one some day.

You already are. As noted by Vox anyone who posts here is (probably anyone who even reads here, at least by Google).

> a purity spiral thst excommunicates Sowell is too damn pure

We excommunicate no one. They excommunicate themselves. We merely note that they have done so.

Blogger James Dixon July 01, 2018 2:59 PM  

> Have they always been left-lite or has the loss of their position and influence pushed them left? Or can they just not stand their fellow Americans?

Embrace the healing power of and.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 01, 2018 3:05 PM  

@7 Joeplanet
I noticed that paleo-conservative Mark Levin is not on this list.
---

The shrill shrieking anti Trump hatred of (((Levin))) during the primaries put him on the permanent outer darkness list for me.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 01, 2018 3:11 PM  

@30 Shimshon
Prager is another who wasn't keen on Trump before the nomination
---

Prager was awful. I had the misfortune of listening to his radio show a couple times during the primaries. I came away thinking he should be deported to Israel immediately.

Blogger L July 01, 2018 3:11 PM  

Where's Dreher?

Blogger Alexandros July 01, 2018 3:12 PM  

I can't think of a better name to appear on that list than Medved. The hutzpah on that one.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 01, 2018 3:18 PM  

"Also, I'd point out that Ron Paul has never and still does not support Trump"

@Nikephoros
Ron Paul definitely should go on the list. I'm very disappointed and angry at him.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 01, 2018 3:22 PM  

Did Ron Paul ever masquerade as a conservative? Maybe i'm mistaken that being a chameleon is a requirement for these never trumpers.

Blogger tuberman July 01, 2018 3:23 PM  

77. James Dixon

Perhaps not a NeverTrumper now (Levin), but there could be a secondary list for people that are still Globalists. Some may appear to be pro-Trump and closing the borders now, but there should be a KeepACloseEyeOnThisGuy list for converted Globalists until they are strongly proven reformed.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 01, 2018 3:24 PM  

Egg McMuffin - not that anybody remembers him.

Blogger The Surly Beaver July 01, 2018 3:35 PM  

Andy McCarthy may have been anti-Trump at one time but he has been stalwart in exposing the deep-state coup attempt against Trump and has supported a lot of the Trump administration's decisions and policies.

Blogger DonReynolds July 01, 2018 3:37 PM  

That would make a great round-up list, but without including any filthy politicians.

Blogger Dr. J July 01, 2018 3:37 PM  

Tucker Carlson deserves some special mention here. Years ago he struck the George Will conservative pose, bow tie and all. But he chucked the bow tie, hoisted the black flag and never looked back. I give the guy a lot of credit, and am amazed he's kept his prime time slot at Fox while doing so.

His show and the Lou Dobb's pro-Trump news hour are the only mainstream outlets worth watching.

Blogger Gr8Again July 01, 2018 3:46 PM  

tuberman wrote:
Rush is smarter than most of these globalists, but he really hasn't converted to the actual Right, just makes the correct sounds. He puts on lesser Neos as replacements (days off) that tout obvious Neocon and "conservative" writers on his days off. I check in on his show about once every 2 weeks or so, as I want to check on what this sly dog is up too. He's not exactly a candidate for this list, but he is a Globalist, or at least a fame and money hog. Nice, for him, that he sees which way the winds are blowing.


Rush has been very good on borders since the Bush Administration. I credit Rush for being instrumental in organizing grassroots opposition to the amnesty attempts in 2004, 2007 and 2010. He correctly recognized that "reform" was "amnesty" and he made sure his audience knew.

Rush, being a Buckleyite, obviously wasn't immediately supportive of Trump, but he was one of the very first mainstream conservatives to treat Trump fairly and point out that Trump fights while everyone else caves.

Rush absolutely does not belong on this list. Rush may not be on the cutting edge of the Dissident Right, but he certainly has a finger on the pulse of his audience and quickly sensed how Trump addressed their concerns.

Rush still disagrees with Trump on trade, but that doesn't bother me. Free trade has been conservative dogma for 30 years now and it's going to take a while for some to come around. At least Rush understands borders and nations. He's okay in my book.

Blogger TM Lutas July 01, 2018 3:55 PM  

@19 VD - Your position here seems at odds with your qualified endorsement of de-russification in a prior thread. Have you researched it and decided to condemn that too? Or do you still not yet know enough about de-russification to form a hard opinion and I should hold commentary until you get around to thinking seriously about the subject?

I'm looking forward to see how you're going to square this circle. I don't think it can be done without a policy shift on your part but you've surprised before.

@5 Lots of people utter principles and then promptly fail to live up to them. I haven't made up my mind about Vox on that score and figuring him out is not a full time job for me. It's more like one of those puzzles you put out on your desk and occasionally take up when you're actual work is giving you a headache.

I do admit to recently blogging a bit of a critique of him, so he's an *interesting* puzzle that I'm spending somewhat more time on than usual lately. Vox had no objections to the fairness of it in private correspondence. That was actually unexpected both in the promptness of the response and its graciousness.

Blogger James Dixon July 01, 2018 4:02 PM  

> Your position here seems at odds with your qualified endorsement of de-russification in a prior thread.

The fact that you think they're at odds means you're not understanding what he said. They're not.

Blogger tuberman July 01, 2018 4:03 PM  

90. Gr8Again

I know all of that and his support should be appreciated, but it will take years and an even greater change for me to stop suspecting him.

Blogger VD July 01, 2018 4:07 PM  

Your position here seems at odds with your qualified endorsement of de-russification in a prior thread. Have you researched it and decided to condemn that too? Or do you still not yet know enough about de-russification to form a hard opinion and I should hold commentary until you get around to thinking seriously about the subject?

Here is a clue: Do not ever address me with the word "seems" in it. You see, it tells me immediately that any response to you will prove to be an excruciating waste of time.

Also, you're wrong.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 01, 2018 4:32 PM  

I don't claim to be fully familiar with Bozell's statements since Trump won the nomination, but I don't know of any justification for considering him a contemporary anti-Trumper. That NR list is over two years old. Bozell was skeptical of Trump during the primaries when there was sufficient reason to wonder if Trump was a lefty con artist pretending to be a right winger.

If you look at Newsbusters today they are defending Trump and attacking the genuine Never Trumpers like Jennifer Rubin. At least at first glance, Bozell looks more like Alt-Lite than an enemy. Unless there's something I'm missing, he should not get free helicopter ride.

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Blogger Gen. Kong July 01, 2018 4:53 PM  

VD wrote:
So we're drawing up lists.

Because the likes of Benny Shapiro are already trying to conceal and minimize the fact of their earlier opposition.


The Littlest Chickenhawk is doing a FEMA-Brown style heckuva job at concealing his hatred for DJT. Must be that extremely high master-race IQ ... right up there with Mr. Reversion-to-the-mean.

Blogger bdsands2 July 01, 2018 4:54 PM  

I can't defend the others, but RR Reno ended up supporting Trump. He started out Never Trump then shortly after the NR Contra Trump issue (to which he contributed) he declared himself "anti-anti Trump". Then as the election came around he was a supporter defending Trump's Nationalism and "America First" bent.

Blogger pyrrhus July 01, 2018 5:00 PM  

@83,84 Ron Paul has never supported immigration restriction or closed borders...Unfortunately, while a good man, Paul is the enemy.

Blogger John Russo July 01, 2018 5:06 PM  

How's about S.E. Cupp? She is a total whack job who suggested Melania leave T.G.E, and that Van Jones is brilliant and fair, and an all around good guy...shes a turd in a skirt.

Blogger August West July 01, 2018 5:36 PM  

I second that. That boy's crocodile smile is just about as bad as Joel Osteen's. Never saw so many teeth in all my life!
I hated Russel Moore from day one.
You know that Vox's list is not exhaustive, if it were, we'd be reading it for days. But gled to see RM"s name on the short list.

Blogger Nameless One July 01, 2018 5:46 PM  

In the words of the great Chesteron "All conservatism is based upon the idea that if you leave things alone you leave them as they are. But you do not. If you leave a thing alone you leave it to a torrent of change. If you leave a white fence post alone it will soon be a black post. If you particularly want it to be white you must be always painting it again; that is, you must be always having a revolution. Briefly,if you want the old white post you must have a new white post."

The natural state of things is to decay, and "conservatives" who only wants to conserve will only in the end conserve that decay.

Blogger Al July 01, 2018 6:10 PM  

DANA LOESCH can be salvaged. Or maybe I just like her 'cause she's a babe.

Blogger TM Lutas July 01, 2018 6:12 PM  

@94 VD - I'll do my best to remember to give you less wiggle room in future as it's at your request. It goes against my grain so I might forget. Substitute is for seems in my previous comment.

De-russification is how americanization looks like in an East European context where the invader is advantaged by not only coming across borders, but being able to nearly immediately seize complete control of the government because they just won a war.

The 1960 Romania case of half a century ago demonstrates how de-russification can be done successfully and there is enough time and number of government changes to show that when done properly, it can stick.

The US isn't lost to the point of requiring a war to fix and americanization is more abandoned for ideological reasons than a failure in producing sustainable results.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 01, 2018 6:13 PM  

Cupp is hot too. But as they say, war is hell.

Blogger VD July 01, 2018 6:36 PM  

DANA LOESCH can be salvaged. Or maybe I just like her 'cause she's a babe.

No, she can't. She was narcissistic bad news back when she was calling herself Mamalogues. Men like you are part of the problem. You support women who stand for things you would never support in a man.

FFS, if you're going to use that logic, why not just support the hottest porn star you can find? Vastly better eye candy and her politics would probably be less deleterious.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 01, 2018 6:39 PM  

Loesch is just way too creepy, especially when you bring her pussy whipped husband Chris into the equation. Ask yourself why she's always wearing that black choker.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit July 01, 2018 6:41 PM  

Distinguish between those who were NeverTrump during the primaries, and those who were NT after, or worse after the election. I honestly thought that Mr. Trump was a Clinton plant when he first showed up (at worst) or just another crooked Boss Twede at best.

I am purely delighted to report that you were right and I was wrong: thank God!

Blogger Dire Badger July 01, 2018 6:43 PM  

Cher almost immediately lost relevance after she got her newest clown-mask Plastic surgery.

Blogger VFM #7191 July 01, 2018 6:43 PM  

Noah B The Savage Gardener wrote:Bozell was skeptical of Trump during the primaries when there was sufficient reason to wonder if Trump was a lefty con artist pretending to be a right winger.

There never was "sufficient reason" to believe Trump was a lefty con artist. Only liars and idiotic Cruz shills ever thought so.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit July 01, 2018 7:13 PM  

Just did a quick check to be sure I was remembering a right. Mr. Sowell is a conservative gem. He made the principled case post-primaries to the very people who could be swayed by the NeverTrump, (i.e. "It's okay if Hillary Clinton becomes president") traitors, that they must vote for Trump.

Considering the degree of propaganda and maleducation, he did us all a real service. All those wossname, Boomercuck old republicans got a defense against the relentless tide of cuckold fake news. And at 85, and an Old America gentlemen, every bone in his body must have found Mr. Trump's campaign persona repellent. My parents certainly did, but he helped them perceive realz > feelz.

Whatever you think of "conservatives" (and I am one, so bias duly noted) he does not deserve to be placed in the ranks of quislings like Bill Kristol.

Blogger papabear July 01, 2018 7:45 PM  

(((Mark Levin))) is no paleoconservative, unlike, say, (((Paul Gottfried))).

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 01, 2018 7:58 PM  

...paleo-conservative Mark Levin...

You put those words together like that agin, boy, I'mma punch you right in the mouth.

Blogger DonReynolds July 01, 2018 8:15 PM  

Doug Cranmer wrote:See my comment above.

These lists can be weaponized.

I'm alright with that.

But with the realistic understanding I may well end up on one some day.

I have family that grew up under Nazi occupation. I've heard the stories first hand.

But I didn't ask for this war. I just wanted to be left alone. But war chooses you.


Most especially for Canadians, who have spent their entire history tied to the British Crown. Had it not been for this, Canadians would probably not gone to war with anyone. Canadian participation in WWI was automatic when declared by the British government. In WWII, King George VI declared war on Germany on behalf of the British Empire, a delay of seven days, only to demonstrate Canadian "independence".

I would be hard pressed to name another part of the British Empire where independence was granted so slowly and so begrudgingly as with Canada. Australia and South Afrika, even India, acquired complete independence rather suddenly and quickly. Canada did not acquire the ability to amend their own constitution until the Canada Act of 1982.

By coincidence, today is Canada Day. Happy Canada Day to all our Canadian friends.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants July 01, 2018 8:27 PM  

If you want a more thorough list, just take the lists made by Amanda Carpenter, Ted Cruz's campaign THOT, of what was described as "enemies whose names wouldn't be forgotten," the contributors to the NR issue of "Never Trump," and the lists of ex military, government, etc., people who all signed lists condemning Trump during the primaries.
You can cross reference those and add to it the list here and add all the Fox, Blaze, NR, Federalist, Hot Air, Washington Free Beacon,Red State, etc., on air types minus the two or three Trump supporters.
If anyone REALLY wants a complete list, I can easily compose one. I have copies of the info and I know/have interacted w/ 70-80% of the ppl personally.

Blogger DonReynolds July 01, 2018 8:54 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:@83,84 Ron Paul has never supported immigration restriction or closed borders...Unfortunately, while a good man, Paul is the enemy.

Ron Paul is a libertarian and there no libertarians that want a secure border. It is against their religion. They will never (honestly) say they want immigration enforcement. Ron Paul avoided the questions for a long time.

Anonymous Anonymous July 01, 2018 9:03 PM  

Somehow 2 of my suggestions ended up on your list. Too bad you listen to alt-retards like me.

Blogger tuberman July 01, 2018 9:05 PM  

Noah, I need to jump on this:

"Bozell was skeptical of Trump during the primaries when there was sufficient reason to wonder if Trump was a lefty con artist pretending to be a right winger."

Anyone who did ANY RESEARCH learned with in a short period of time that Trump was genuine. When the God Emperor came down that escalator I was skeptical, but I liked what he was saying, so I looked at everything I could find about him going back as far as I could.

Trump was consistent throughout, all the way back to interviews in the mid-1980's, and the evidence was right there, easy to find. He was even better than what I thought from his initial speeches. I was a reader/follower of Pat Buchanan, slowly turning even more Right due to European Alt-Right influences. And, I immediately saw great potential, and was on board with him after a week of that research.

Blogger Dire Badger July 01, 2018 9:09 PM  

@Tuberman-

I was the same way. The moment I learned he was in the Primary I went ahead and checked out his website to see if there was any truth to the neocon claims that he had 'no plan'.

When I actually read his plans I was staggered and was loyal from that moment on.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 01, 2018 9:10 PM  

@110 believe != wonder. And yes, there most certainly was cause to wonder about Trump during the primary. He's from New York. He used to pal around with the Clintons and lots of other lefties. He gave them money. He supported banning assault weapons. For those of us who chose to trust him initially it was largely a leap of faith, combined with the fact that we knew all the other contenders were either liars or globalists.

Blogger VD July 01, 2018 9:18 PM  

Somehow 2 of my suggestions ended up on your list. Too bad you listen to alt-retards like me.

I seldom commit the genetic fallacy.

Whatever you think of "conservatives" (and I am one, so bias duly noted) he does not deserve to be placed in the ranks of quislings like Bill Kristol.

Read the linked National Review article.

I honestly thought that Mr. Trump was a Clinton plant when he first showed up (at worst) or just another crooked Boss Twede at best.

And to think people wonder why I am underwhelmed by conservative intelligence. Here's the point: there is a difference between opposing Trump in the primaries for one reason or another, and EVER describing yourself as NeverTrump.

If you're NeverTrump, you're never with us.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 01, 2018 9:27 PM  

I was so deep in the Ron Paul movement when Trump came on the scene I was getting the bends.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 01, 2018 10:11 PM  

https://www.instagram.com/p/BktiKP3lh8R/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=wpl6mlysck3v

Hahaha

Blogger tublecane July 01, 2018 10:26 PM  

You see people declaring NeverTrump dead now, but really I've considered them inconsequential since Trump got the nomination. Though of course they could have risen again had Hillary won.

Always bear in mind that an "alt-scene" existed all along, and those in charge of the conservative movement relied upon them to garner what power they got. The "Middle-American radicals." Protectionists. Anti-imperialists. Libertarians. "Lost Causers." Religious traditionalists. Race Realists. Various flavors of conspiracy believers. I have firsthand knowledge of many self-defined conservatives holding all such views.

These alt-people didn't come into being when blogs and social media became a thing. They were there, largely without publicity. Though there were your occasional Buchanans. Conservatism Inc. had to keep purging them to prevent the spread of their ideas.

Unfortunately, like many others my "gateway drug" to the right was talk radio and Buckley and all that. But I also had access to books, from my father's library and my grandfather's, as well as the internet for most of my life. So I knew "conservatism" was just a convenient (now inconvenient) label I might or mightn't use to describe my grab-bag of ideas.

Used to think NeverTrump-types were ignorant or stupid for treating everything not abiding by the fleeting compromise du jour as either leftist or Nazi. As if the Eternal Conservative Principles are war in Iraq, defending Israel,and progressive cuts in marginal tax rates. But it's more maintaining the Party Line is what keeps them in power. What are they, if they're not the ones drawing the lines for what's "in" and what's "out.'

MPAI and have no memory, so they can get away with perpetually redefining themselves to the left and passing new beliegs off as the way it's always been. Or could.

Blogger tublecane July 01, 2018 10:35 PM  

I highly suggest for the sake of humor reading the Twitter feeds of Kristol, Rubin, Wilson, less so Shapiro because he's a whiny punk, and others. Good times.

It's the usual mix of puffery, bowtie-spinning, incestuousness, and bad writing/rampant ignorance.

But I am particularly tickled by how they dismiss gruffly everything we say as beheath response and kooky konspiracy territory, then proceed to weave the wildest and more importantly stoopidest theories about Trump. Like Frum asking "what if?" Trump had punched Melania. (Back when she was "missing." It was a thing.)

No self-awareness.

Blogger tublecane July 01, 2018 10:40 PM  

@John Russo- She doesn't really count, because who could possibly care? Just a woman someone thought was attractive enough to be on air. I totally fotgof sge was supposed to be conservative.

But you're right, she has gone nutjob. I read her freaking out about the Cholocaust recently, and about threats against journalists, boo-hoo.

We should never have let women into the public sphere. Even Coulter went off her rocker on Trump. I haven't seen her have any influence since the last Syria hissyfit.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd July 01, 2018 10:43 PM  

Why the hell would he be opposed to the GE's court picks? Just to spite him? Out of resentment?
Is there something he fears they will do?
Will's punk ass never even explained his hostility sufficiently.

Blogger tublecane July 01, 2018 10:44 PM  

@Nameless One- That's to imagine as if conservatism does nothing but stand in the way, but it doesn't. It actually helps the left make mistakes.

For instance, Obamacare and Cap 'n' Trade were conservative inventions, intended to head off what they figured were worse things up the commies' sleeves.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 01, 2018 11:01 PM  

Now this is really a shame.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BktadLNBfTV/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=11dzpxl1czd22

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 01, 2018 11:11 PM  

@Stg58,
I followed that link. I read some of the comments. I want my brain cells back.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 01, 2018 11:13 PM  

@123 I didn't know they could stack shit that high.

Blogger James Dixon July 01, 2018 11:21 PM  

> If anyone REALLY wants a complete list, I can easily compose one. I have copies of the info and I know/have interacted w/ 70-80% of the ppl personally.

The ideal thing would be for someone to make a list with appropriate links to their statements and create an Infogalactic page for it. There doesn't seem to be one currently.

Blogger James Dixon July 01, 2018 11:26 PM  

> Somehow 2 of my suggestions ended up on your list. Too bad you listen to alt-retards like me.

A stopped clock is right twice per day. Looks like it was your time.

Blogger Al Du Clur July 01, 2018 11:35 PM  

How about adding traitors who aren't neocons to the list? I am thinking specifically about Charles Murray (apologies to him if he has seen the light). Murray has written some very important books. He gets what is going on which made his refusal to back Trump (because Trump is too crude) even worse that the NeverTrumpers who are members of the tribe or simply believe the stupidity of diversity is our strength. White people like Murray would rather assign their descendants to a bleak future and let the culture they value be destroyed than vote for someone that they didn't think was nice and proper. That is not only moronic it is a betrayal of their families and country.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 01, 2018 11:38 PM  

Snidely,

Oh yes the comments are always cancer. That's one of the main places I deploy the womp womp regularly.

Blogger Lazarus July 01, 2018 11:44 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:I was so deep in the Ron Paul movement when Trump came on the scene I was getting the bends.

Ron Paul was the right thing without the right stuff.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes........

Blogger SciVo July 02, 2018 1:27 AM  

wreckage wrote:My question for Vox is: from the outside it looks like free movement of people breaks free trade. Is this accurate? Or are you arguing that the problem arises because free movement of people can't work, and without it, free movement of capital breaks free trade?and

My understanding is that to the extent of actually exists, free trade moves jobs; which since people are not fungible, requires them to sacrifice their belongingness or their earning potential. So it costs states their nations, nations their countries, and countries their peace and stability.

Blogger tublecane July 02, 2018 1:33 AM  

@134- Murray is a libertarian, or used to be. I don't know if he ever considered himself of the right. He's an academic and interested in maintaining some credibility in that world, even after the ridiculous backlash against him because of the Bell Curve.

He's not so much a traitor maybe as someone who was never on our side. I wouldn't put him as far left as Pinker, for instance, but guys like that occasionally write useful books contained wrongthink. Pinker had the Blank Slate, Murray had Losing Ground and the Bell Curve.

Blogger Robert What? July 02, 2018 1:36 AM  

@TM, whatever you are describing ain't conservatism as understood in the US in the new millennium. Most of the people on Vox's list wouldn't know a "founding principle" if it fell on their heads. What you are describing is closer to neo-reactionary, not "conservative".

Blogger Anthony Fox July 02, 2018 1:51 AM  

A disproportionate number on that list seem to share some sort of common ancestry in regards to their share of the population...I'm sure I'm a bigot for noticing.

Blogger The Surly Beaver July 02, 2018 2:46 AM  

Don't talk about stuff you know little of. First of all English Canada was eager to go to war in 1914 just as they had been 1899. Perhaps they weren't as eager in 1939 but public opinion was still in favour of it. And Canada most certainly had the option of remaining neutral in 1939 just like the Ireland. And it's Dominion Day, not Canada Day.

Blogger The Kurgan July 02, 2018 2:56 AM  

Your knowledge of history, reality, AND Machiavelli, leaves much to be desired.

Blogger The Surly Beaver July 02, 2018 2:57 AM  

Don't talk about stuff you know little of. First of all English Canada was eager to go to war in 1914 just as they had been 1899. Perhaps they weren't as eager in 1939 but public opinion was still in favour of it. And Canada most certainly had the option of remaining neutral in 1939 just like the Ireland. And it's Dominion Day, not Canada Day.

Blogger CoolHand July 02, 2018 3:59 AM  

The only name it disappoints me to see on that list is Thomas Sowell , but he's already a thousand years old and will expire soon anyway.

Overall, a large net gain to be rid of those folks.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 5:23 AM  

@1

"Nothing left to conserve? I think that Machiavelli in his Discourses on Livy disagreed. When a country gets in trouble, it returns to founding principles. The man was pretty emphatic about that. There is where viable conservatism can stand. "

That's not conserving (defending).

That's RECAPTURING what has already been lost.

Which is why, when people ask me about my political views, I say I'm a reactionary. I intend to take back every last bit of what we have lost to the g*dd*mn stinking hippies since I was born 5 decades ago.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 5:26 AM  

@7

"I noticed that paleo-conservative Mark Levin is not on this list. He runs hot and cold in his support of Trump these days. More supportive than not but it is usually free trade that gets him into trouble with support for the God Emperor.

Any thoughts on him?"

Levin was a Cruz supporter.

When Cruz lost to Trump, he joined Trump's camp.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 5:28 AM  

@11

"I can’t forget Kevin D. Williamson either. What a loser!"


He has failed to adapt with the times, and has become redundant surplus. He needs to die of starvation.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 5:30 AM  

@13

"I am glad to see Rush Limbaugh is not on the list. For all his civic nationalism, he has at least been reliably on Trump’s side."

Limbaugh was toting Trump even in the beginning when Trump was still considered the longest of all long shots -- patiently explaining why what Trump was saying was attracting majority votes even in 12-way contests.

"I'm not endorsing anybody ... but, you people need to understand why he just won [insert state here]."

Blogger Peter Gent July 02, 2018 7:46 AM  

Interesting article yesterday in PJ Media on the need for Total Victory in the current defense of Western Civilization and the America as established premise.
https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/no-substitute-for-total-victory/

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 8:07 AM  

@103

"Or maybe I just like her 'cause she's a babe."

Thinking with your genitals is what gets you in trouble.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 8:07 AM  

And, No, she ISN'T going to have sex with you.

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 8:13 AM  

@107


"Loesch is just way too creepy, especially when you bring her pussy whipped husband Chris into the equation. Ask yourself why she's always wearing that black choker."

Indeed, we've already seen where this (https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7znml6/has_anyone_seen_this_amazing_photo_of_our_wonder/) goes:

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-original-sjw-invasion.html

Blogger Dirk Manly July 02, 2018 8:31 AM  

@127

"Why the hell would he be opposed to the GE's court picks? Just to spite him? Out of resentment?
Is there something he fears they will do?
Will's punk ass never even explained his hostility sufficiently."

The outer boroughs?

I don't care if he went to all of the right schools.... he's involved in the nasty business of *making*....***THINGS***... not writing position papers all day ... and TWO ... He might be from New York City, but he didn't grow up in Manhattan .... We can't have someone from THE OUTER BOROUGHS in THE CLUB!!!!

Blogger bosscauser July 02, 2018 11:54 AM  

Like Beck his ratings went into the toilet.

So, mea Culpa pass the red hat I'm a born again Trumpster!

Blogger bosscauser July 02, 2018 11:56 AM  

He reminds his audience every day about what Trump supporters are doing...

He knows better to take sides...

Blogger Nameless One July 02, 2018 4:20 PM  

@138 Murray is such a "libertarian" he's proposing Universal Basic Income. Murray is an ivory tower academic, albeit a mostly honest one. His political opinions are worthless.

Blogger Ryan G July 04, 2018 4:36 AM  

If the word "cuckservative" existed in the dictionary, I'm positive Glenn Beck's crying face would be pictured next to it. I listened to him for years because he was on right after Rush, but eventually I just couldn't take it anymore.

He's just one of those people who cannot seem to get it through their heads that there is no point playing "by the rules". The Enemy not only doesn't follow them, but has become an expert at twisting their intentions and using them as a weapon against us. Principles that consistently fail don't deserve to be kept. Conservatism, in the sense of pro-Christian, pro-American, pro-Constitution, small government ideology, has been steadily beaten back for almost 60 years.

None of that seems to matter to Beck though.

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