Those excellent Minnesota schools
Minneapolis Southwest struggles with its vibrant diversity:
Safety concerns arise as violence continues to escalate at Southwest High School.So much for the idea that an absence of whites would lead to peace on Earth. All they need is to throw some Aztecs in there and things will get really... vibrant.
On top of an already failing administration, Southwest High School staff are struggling to maintain peace between students. Last Friday, March 2, multiple fights broke out during the school’s second lunch period. Despite attempts to sweep the issue under the rug and downplay the violence, persistent students and parents forced the administration to address the situation.
Videos of the fight posted online forced the administration to hold an emergency meeting.
The highly anticipated fight between two students who have been off-and-on friends for years became physical during lunch last Friday. According to school officials, they knew of the impending conflict at least a week prior. The day of the incident, the administration claims that they reached out to the students “every hour” before the fight broke out. Unfortunately, the efforts were not successful and the violence erupted anyway.
The fight was not limited to the two students, who were reported by classmates to be a Somali-American and an African American. Over 20 students joined the chaos soon after the first punches were thrown and the original videos that surfaced were titled “Somalis vs. Blacks.” The original videos have been taken down due to pressure from school administration. The school’s resource officer was present in the cafeteria. In an attempt to control the situation, school officials put the cafeteria into lockdown for 15 minutes after the allotted 30-minute lunch period, keeping any students from leaving or entering, including the ones not involved. All staff members that were not otherwise occupied were called to action.
The police were not called, but 15 student resource officers from other schools were called for backup. In an eyewitness video taken by a student, the administration’s inability to diffuse the skirmish in a timely, appropriate, and safe manner was made clear.
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Looks like the administration wanted the violence. They knew it was going to happen and merely "reached out" every hour to talk about it. Basically a CYA move, but also a green light.
They were probably on the side of one of the groups, thinking they would win the fight and establish dominance in the school.
It’s just now coming to a head?
I attended a multicultural Catholic high from 1991 onward. It was later named for Cardinal MCarrick! Then closed a few years ago.
I’m white bred. Light hair, light skin, blue eyes, not Irish pale, I get a good tan, but...white.
During my time at that School, the Hispanic imports from Keansburg were absolutely predatory. I was shaken down for lunch money, kisses, boob-feels, and silence.
I’m kinda done with Catholicism, now. I thought I’d be oh so resurgent, but I can’t be. This goes on everywhere, all the time. I resent that the church puts its children in these untenable and precarious positions. And that it convinces parents that it’s for the best.
I can't wait for my mother to retire from a school in the south-suburbs of the twin cities. The somalis v. blacks thing has been well known for a decade. Yet, the school admin let's more and more solmails taxi themselves down to this school every year. (btw, the parents are the taxi drivers and yes, the school or state reimburses the taxi driver.)
Luckily she doesn't have to work with the mainstream kids and only one school year left.
"Videos of the fight posted online forced the administration to hold an emergency meeting."
It's amazing how publicity is the only thing that made administrators act like responsible adults. Alternative media is filling the roll of MSM in keeping government employees a little bit less corrupt.
"I’m kinda done with Catholicism, now."
The latest Q post on qanon.pub is about the Catholic church ... "Those you are taught to TRUST the most….."
Dark to Light.
They called for backup from other schools but not the police. Interesting. That suggests that they may have a program in place like Parkland, felons walking the halls but with a clean criminal record. We wouldn't want any vibrant to lose his voting privileges now would we?
When I went to school you had to pack your own lunch.
Be that as it may, an Israeli discusses diversity:
The root of our conflict goes deeper than you thought
It’s time to stop treating this kind of behavior as an aberration and to realize that ethnic, religious, and racial hatred and aggression is normal human behavior, probably biologically based. So how can we act to minimize the damage it does?.......
Promoting diversity, in other words, increases tensions, which leads to conflict. But there is an opposite approach, which is to move in the opposite direction from diversity, and reduce conflict by separating antagonistic groups.
"I’m kinda done with Catholicism, now."
@Amy
People need to quit confusing Catholicism with SJW-converged Novus Ordo Fake Catholicism.
@1 John Calla
Probably an accurate assessment. You know a fight is going to happen for a week & you don't forcibly separate the kids. Wow. Much competence.
(Basically, another version of confusing Christianity and Churchianity.)
RC wrote:They called for backup from other schools but not the police. Interesting.
It also justifies the ever-creeping move toward specialized security. There is less effort toward general law and order for regular folk. It is used for protecting the rich, government buildings, high publicity crime, and special events.
@2 Consider the Eastern Catholics or the Anglican ordinariate. It is unlikely you will find an alt-right community but maybe you can help create one.
I felt bad for this teacher, Kerstin Westcott, in the link below who made headlines when she resigned from her teaching job in 2017 at a Green Bay public school because it was too dangerous. Sure, she's a social justice warrior most likely yet I think she meant well and just wanted to teach.
Green Bay Teacher Resignation Speech
"second lunch period"...just how oversized does a school have to be to have 2 lunch periods? My school had 3k students and didn't need that.
The last of my kids got out of the schools in the SW suburbs of Mpls eight years ago, thank goodness. The stories they tell about the Somalis are frightening.
It's good, though, that the first race war will be between the Africans and the longer-term American blacks. The Somalis think of the blacks as stupid and subservient slaves, and the blacks cannot tolerate being dissed, so it makes for some colorful confrontations.
American blacks vs Somalis and other diverse interlopers...the wave of the future...Two groups largely immune from arrest fighting over the same loot...Get your kids out, whatever it takes.
papabear wrote:@2 Consider the Eastern Catholics or the Anglican ordinariate. It is unlikely you will find an alt-right community but maybe you can help create one.
The Ordinariate parish in the Twin Cities is pretty based. Q was a topic of discussion at the last after-Mass fellowship, and not in a negative way.
O/T but the divorce proceedings for Morris Dee, SPLC co-founder, accuses him of child molestation. This could be huge. SPLC is filth.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/court-docs-splc-co-founder-accused-of-trying-to-molest-step-daughter-with-sex-toy/
It sounds like they would have suppressed the story completely if a student hadn't managed to film it. They're probably angrier at that student than at any of the fighters.
I'm struck by the tentativeness of the administration. They "reached out" to the fighters each hour before the fight. How does that go? "[Mr. Van Dreissen voice] Hey, yeah, we heard you're planning a fight for this afternoon. Is there any way we can talk you out of it? We could arrange another Respect Diversity Day, with an assembly where you can express your concerns. Let's all try to get along, m'kay?"
8. VFM #7634 July 30, 2018 2:19 PM
People need to quit confusing Catholicism with SJW-converged Novus Ordo Fake Catholicism.
yes, but in order to do that, you must first admit that the entire Catholic clergy is apostate for all practical purposes.
so much for the Romans' Churchian claims to authority.
and welcome to the Schismatics.
regarding the Somalis, welcome to 2013, same as it ever was:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/15/minneapolis-high-school-food-fight/1923547/
SPLC is filth.
Semitic Perverts League of Creeps
No, the administration didn't want the fight. The administration is most likely all women which means they have no idea of how to handle a situation like this. I remember when one kid got out of hand in middle school and the weediest male teacher came running up, slammed him up against the wall and put an end to it.
Oh and our HS had about 500 students and we had two lunch periods. It's cheaper because you need a smaller lunch staff.
@6
You would be correct, Minneapolis school district was one of the school districts that the Eric Holder Department of Justice went after using disparate impact theory.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2014/11/07/minneapolis-public-schools-to-take-a-new-approach-to-suspensions
My money is on the Aztecs if it were to happen.
Somali Americans vs African Americans.
Our lexicon is so screwed up. The sad thing is everyone knows what they mean. Pound for pound, the Aztecs are very good fighters. Would like to see Lomachenko vs Mikey Garcia. Make it happen!
Shout out to B&B Plastics.
Those scumbag white peop...??? They were black on black? Quick, wipe it from history, no one report this, make sure we squash this before it gets out, isolated event, not representative, somali people are a people of peace.
on the one hand, false accusations of molestation and abuse are commonplace by wives divorcing their husbands. and they'll often dragoon the children into cooperating with the FRA.
otoh, this IS a Lieberal Leftist. and as a practical matter, there is no lower limit to what they'll get up too.
i mean, they've already murdered more than a hundred million people. what's a little rape on the side?
OT: Gemmel Moore investigation: Prosecutors decline to file charges against Dem donor in fatal overdose
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/30/gemmel-moore-investigation-prosecutors-decline-to-file-charges-against-dem-donor-in-fatal-overdose.html
Because there's nothing sketchy about this. (It was reported before that Ed Buck's apartment was filled with drugs, as well as Moore admitting in a diary that Buck injected him with crystal meth, getting him hooked.)
Weird how this law thing works for certain people.
Lovekraft wrote:O/T but the divorce proceedings for Morris Dee, SPLC co-founder, accuses him of child molestation. This could be huge. SPLC is filth.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/court-docs-splc-co-founder-accused-of-trying-to-molest-step-daughter-with-sex-toy/
Those documents are from his 1979 divorce. The world has known he's a sick man for nearly four decades now.
@Lazarus
This has been known for a long time. Diversity+Proximity=War. And yet jews told Europe (see:Barbara Lerner Specter) we had to become multicultural.
I know, just that Jewish generosity of spirit called Tommy plan.
Tommy plan should be: Tommy olam
Goddamn autocorrect
Tikkun olam
Bergoglianism is not Christian. And the so-called “catholic” church has been a completely converged den of pedophiles for at least 50 years.
Actual Catholics number in the mere thousands totay.
You may want to visit canon188.com for some idea of actual Catholicism.
@Looking Glass
How hard would it be to call in both sets of parents and admonish them? Surely those lads should have been suspended for the week before the fight if it was so well known it was going to take place?
@R Doom
Re: 2nd lunch period.
The kids are probably so miserable they are comfort eating!
The 98% of the pedophile pretend Catholic “clergy” are the schismatics. It’s a dialectic point that gets lost by 99% of the MPAI crowds, much like Vox’s point about American posterity in the constitution, but remains a fact.
If white people are the problem, and the Leftist Liberals insist they are the problem, this must be because all-Black and all-Hispanic (and all-Muslim) high schools are perfect examples of peaceful harmony.
Go ahead....convince me.
But in the meantime, I will continue to believe that the reason the Leftist Liberals want racial integration in schools is because the presence of whites REDUCES the incidence of violence or at least spreads out the violence over a less violent population. Yes, the whites pull down the average in this particular case.
No Vox, not Aztecs. I sense an opening for the Rohingya as the victims du jour to be brought in and celebrated by the ELCA in Minnesota.
@18.
I quickly read the court document on another website. I must be very naive, I couldn't believe what I was reading - absolutely disgusting behavior by both husband and wife (not as bad but close). That he still managed to get ahead in his career is shameful.
@Lovekraft
It will certainly be a great day in the universe if the SPLC gets taken down.
@Warunicorn
Weird how this law thing works for certain people.
Why it's almost like they're privileged or something!
English Tom wrote:@Lovekraft
It will certainly be a great day in the universe if the SPLC gets taken down.
The SPLC is a billion dollar lotto, waiting for someone to show up with the winning ticket. The on-going relationship with Obama's converged FBI may make it more likely now.
@Don Reynolds
Come on Don, everyone knows that as soon as the white race has disappeared the rest of humanity will spontaneously link hands and sing songs to international joy.
Why can't you see that?
@Don Reynolds
I seem to recall a story several weeks ago that the SPLC had transferred hundreds of millions of dollars to offshore accounts.
Seems to suggest they had an idea something was coming?
Wow. They managed to knock all videos of this fight off of the internet, so far as I can tell.
How does that work on the victim hierarchy? Somali-American > African American? How is a Somali-American not an African-American? Diversity, our strength, demands answers.
Gives you perspective how well African pan-nationalism would work out.
I realize that the comments section is reserved for comments about the OP, and that my individual story/account is both anecdotal and unimportant, I think it appropriately similar to the OP story, as I am a young millennial that attended an extremely “vibrant” middle/high school in the Chicago burbs.
The school I attended was a perfect slice of the current American demographics. A touch under 50% white, a dwindling 10-15% black, around 35% Hispanic (and growing), with the rest of the world’s migrants trickling in to fill the gap (Slavs, Arabs, Asians). Not one of these groups, with the exception of the adopted blacks and trash whites, intermingled or mixed outside the classroom. The cafeteria was divided completely by identity, with even the mixed kids sticking to whatever they looked most like, regardless of their parents. Of course, the classes were unintentionally divided by identity as well. The whites and Asians filled the honors groups. Blacks, Hispanics, and white trash occupied the remedial courses. The migrants were all housed in the ESL corner of the school, with the Slavs as the de facto Kings of the migrant weirdos (no one fucked with the Slavs, especially after a few of the more stubborn blacks tried unsuccessfully to bully them and found that these ‘whites’ were more accustomed to violence than even themselves). Whites in general, despite making up the small majority, accounted for maybe (and this is being generous) 2 of the roughly 100 fights I witnessed in my six years there. The remaining 98 would be split evenly by the blacks and Hispanics. I witnessed a Mexican drooling blood and teeth in the hall while a black sprinted out the school door being chased by teachers. I watched two pregnant blacks tear at eachother’s weaves while kicking eachother’s unborn children (one was charged with attempted murder, go figure?). I saw a Mexican girl piss herself in the hall because another Mexican gal held her at knife point from entering the girls room. I could go on for hours about the savage shit I saw go down in the locker rooms and gym classes. But my point is, everyone involved was forced into a survival mode on a daily basis, even if you never engaged in a fight or were threatened, everyone carried a pen to stab with, and walked in packs to survive. And public school is the equalizer in this scenario, as wealth and outside life was irrelevant. I lived the integrated experiment, and thank God I was tall, strong, and ‘spicy-white’ (Italian, Irish, Slavic made me dark enough to appear ‘ethnic’ in passing, and my suburban self could drift into the Slavic migrants without detection) or I would have had to live six years in what was essentially a state penitentiary without any defenses. Many of the whites and Asians got really abused by that system, and probably mentally scarred against integration.
English Tom wrote:@Don Reynolds
Come on Don, everyone knows that as soon as the white race has disappeared the rest of humanity will spontaneously link hands and sing songs to international joy.
Why can't you see that?
I don't know why I am always wrong. Maybe I have a mental defect or maybe it is because I am a Christian, hetero, white male. I should be eligible for a disability check every month.
VFM #7634 wrote:"I’m kinda done with Catholicism, now."
@Amy
People need to quit confusing Catholicism with SJW-converged Novus Ordo Fake Catholicism.
You can be saved without Catholicism - or with it - but you cannot be saved without Jesus. Switch denominations if you choose, but don't give up on Jesus.
Catholicism is a proper subset of Christianity. Novus Ordo seems to be a proper subset of apostasy.
@Robert Divinty
Re: African-American vs. Somali-American on the victim hierarchy.
Pray to St Trayvon. Let his wisdom guide You!
@Don Reynolds
You're a good man Don. I hope you get that check!
@Man of the West
I went to an all boys Catholic school and that too was violent. The important point is that you have been through the furnace and you are stronger for it.
Pray to St Trayvon. Let his wisdom guide You!
My spirit guide St. Trayvon has shown me both are victims and some whites from somewhere will have to attend a sensitivity seminar to avenge the injustice. I forgot "whites" always come after ">" and must atone.
I guess this high school is not in Lake Woebegone.
"The police were not called, but 15 student resource officers from other schools were called for backup."
Damn technology doesn't let anything stay in-house.
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@Robert Divinity
Whites must atone. So it is written.
@46, Yes, recent "immigrant" black outranks native-born American black on the diversity totem pole. Women and homosexuals and transsexuals outrank American blacks too. Really, the only person an American black man still outranks is the white, heterosexual, Christian man. You'd think they'd get upset about so many other groups getting ahead of them in line, but they'll probably just hate white men for it somehow.
Institutions can't completely prevent violence and grouping by race in a highly structured place like a maximum-security prison, yet they think they can keep it from happening in a public school?
Delusional.
@17 That is good to read -- hopefully the Ordinariate leadership can maintain a "neutral" stance towards the alt right instead of following the lead of the Latins and condemning it in the name of "Roman Catholic Social Teaching."
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@20 bob kek mando
yes, but in order to do that, you must first admit that the entire Catholic clergy is apostate for all practical purposes.
Offical clergy affiliated with the Vatican, yes. Dissident clergy like the SSPV or CMRI, not necessarily. Plus, the latter have valid orders, since the Vatican mutilated its consecration rite in 1969.
so much for the Romans' Churchian claims to authority.
and welcome to the Schismatics.
Are you schismatic if you don't think John XXIII, Paul VI, Francis, and the rest are/were actually the Pope? Technically, schismatics (like the SSPX, Orthodox, etc.) insist they are popes, but won't follow them.
Ah. I just figured it out. Both of the fighting students are innocent, but the whites are guilty because they created the internet which allowed the fight to be made public. No one NEEDED to know! Out of sight, out of mind. No report, no administrator is responsible, no paperwork, no after school meeting. Clearly, the internet is anti-diversity. We should censor it more.
Somali-American vs. African-American . . . Gee, I wonder what continent Somalia is a part of? Just Tribal Warfare, nothing to see here, move along . . .
How do the 'Resource Officers' feel knowing that "The police were not called . . ."
63. VFM #7634 July 30, 2018 4:37 PM
Are you schismatic if you don't think John XXIII, Paul VI, Francis, and the rest are/were actually the Pope?
the last i saw, the estimable Mr. John C. Wright was still defending Pound-Me-In-The-France-Ass.
so, at a minimum, you'd be schismatic to Mr. Wright.
and Ann Barnhardt only thinks that Frances is illegitimate because Benedict still lives ... therefore, you'd be schismatic to her. but, you know, she's just a chick.
and, seriously? "Queen of the Universe"? you don't see any problems with CMRI?
https://infogalactic.com/info/Isis
66. Tim from Nashua July 30, 2018 5:32 PM
How do the 'Resource Officers' feel knowing that "The police were not called . . ."
the ENTIRE POINT of "Resource Officers" is so the school can conceal felonies without entering the feral children into the court system.
that's why the police officers never get called ... makes the crime stats look good.
just like that little shit down in Miami. he *should* have been in jail multiple times over. instead, the school covered up his activity.
the non-crime stats looked fantastic. until they didn't.
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@68: We can only hope that some of them meet a White Hispanic or two, if you know what I mean.
Well, my friends, I have taught in public schools, private non-sectarian, and Catholic schools. From middle school math to high school Calculus and Statistics. (and a few other things to boot)
Over the last 40 years we have reached the point where we CAN NOT ever tell the truth about what is going on. Even the Catholic schools would rather lie than speak the truth.
Why do kids not do well? Read this famous teacher and listen to truth being told:
https://www.amren.com/news/2017/05/robert-weissberg-bad-students-not-bad-schools/
As for me, I can tell you that there is nothing more disgusting that listening to some educrate blame the math teacher for not being about to get an 85 IQ unmotivated kid to learn abstract mathematical concepts. Algebra for example.
Now keep in mind, I could teach the little guy "shop math" and he might make use of that but OH NO, we have to get him "college ready". Jesus, Joseph, and Mary!
Good friend of mine, 25 years younger than I am, is a teacher of science and math. She tells the story of her HS graduating class. One Guy did NOT go on to college and became a plumber. After a while he started his own company and became the only multimillionaire of that graduating class. Hmmmmmm.
No college? A failure I suppose.
In our local school system the resource officers are sworn officers with complete LEO authority anywhere in the state.
@18
"O/T but the divorce proceedings for Morris Dee, SPLC co-founder, accuses him of child molestation. This could be huge. SPLC is filth."
This is great. A LOT of police and sherrif's department get some of their so-called intelligence from the SPLC. Getting them discredited as an organization run by a felonious sexual degenerate will got a LONG way to officially rehabilitating every organization to the right of MoveOn.org and CorrectTheRecord.
Bring ukranians and Russians. Will kick somalians ass and the white minnesotans kids will see White people with cojones figthing
Catholicism is the root of Christianity. Does it have its problems? Absolutely. But even non-Catholic Christians see the benefits of a strong and moral church. The corrupt church of today really sucks, but Catholicism is not a branch of the faith, it is the root of it. And that root is the shared by over 1/7th of the world’s population
Aztecas can maintain a civilization if left alone. A fucked UP one according to our standars but civilization anyway. Somalians cannot
True but they serve the Jews so will likely be allowed to continue to prosper and move hundreds of millions to overseas accounts. If for any reason they no longer serve the Jews' interests, another group will be brought in to replace them which will be a great business opportunity.
Reality is that the US is now the jews' country. The only roles for whites are to: serve as scapegoats, pay for the destruction financially and fight the Jews' wars.
The post white world will be just like that famous coke commercial.
Sounds really vibrant
It is very nice of whites to be willing to subsidize the destruction of their culture as exemplified in schools having become anti white, violent, socialist indoctrination centers all thanks to whites' tax dollars. Other races are not so open-minded.
I don’t see any mention of the fighters’ sexes anywhere...just that it started with two students who have been off-and-on friends for years becoming *physical* during lunch. Also, the article mentions a parent whose daughter is afraid. What are the odds that these were feral females fighting? I don’t know if the She-Skinnies brawl like Lafawnda and Latrina do, but am guessing they do.
@S Thermite
She skinnys.
Good one!
72. Chris Mallory July 30, 2018 7:11 PM
In our local school system the resource officers are sworn officers with complete LEO authority anywhere in the state.
*having* authority is an entirely different thing than *using* authority.
how many arrests did the Resource 'Officers' make here?
how well did the Resource 'Officers' dissuade the escalation to riot?
but 15 student resource officers from other schools were called for backup.
at least SIXTEEN fucking "LEOs" on site, a multitude of physical assaults and
...
zero arrests by the Resource Officers?
...
and zero students presented to the actual police for arrest and prosecution, even though there's video evidence all over the place?
yeah. there's no pattern here.
it doesn't even matter if Minnehaha Resource Officers have full police powers. it SHOULD damn well be part of their job to refer felonies and misdemeanor assaults to the courts.
AND
you do NOT have to be an Officer to make an arrest.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Citizen%27s_arrest#United_States
Vibrant enough to have a yearly “Hispanic-heritage” dance. Which was a kind way of saying “Hispanic-only” dance
@55
"I guess this high school is not in Lake Woebegone."
Lake Woeisrighthere
> the administration claims that they reached out to the students
Christ. Does "reached out to" make anyone else retch? It's as bad as the curious progressive fetish about "voices". Both "reached out to" and "make our voices heard" share a characteristic ineffectuality. People who just don't get efficacy, people who just don't get that some things work and some things don't work.
@75
"Catholicism is the root of Christianity. Does it have its problems? Absolutely. But even non-Catholic Christians see the benefits of a strong and moral church. The corrupt church of today really sucks, but Catholicism is not a branch of the faith, it is the root of it. And that root is the shared by over 1/7th of the world’s population"
How is a religion which is a vaneer overlaid on top of a foundation of Roman paganism the "ROOT" of Christianity, exactly, when compared to, say, the Greek Orthodox, the Syrian Church, and the Egyptian Coptics, which have direct connections to the Apostles WITHOUT ANY ROMAN PAGANISM, and none of them base their belief systems upon deliberately misinterpreting the clear, plain language of the New Testament (such as, "call no man your father" and the admonition that each church leader should have exactly one wife (no more, and no less), or else he isn't qualified for such a role.) A religion that is full of "Traditions" (which are of men), just like the Jews and their Talmud and other Traditions (which are also of men).
America the beautiful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL3_GkWNDfo
How is a religion which is a vaneer overlaid on top of a foundation of Roman paganism the "ROOT" of Christianity, exactly, when compared to, say, the Greek Orthodox, the Syrian Church, and the Egyptian Coptics, which have direct connections to the Apostles WITHOUT ANY ROMAN PAGANISM...
Ding, ding, ding! I really want to respect the Roman Catholic Church but it’s very difficult now after being raised Protestant and only very recently having had the curiosity to study the “importance” of the Rosary.
SO MANY beads...SO MUCH Mary,..so little Jesus. At least your infatuation is not as creepy as the Muhammadians with 9-year-old Aisha or Pizzagate villians and RC priests with young boys...but on the surface it’s not much better and if your Church needs Mary-apologists how out-of-whack is it?
"reaching out" is a soft white liberal thing where they think tough darkies are just sad and need to talk about their feelings. The reason these outreaches are doomed to fail is because the larval felons (rightly) dismiss this as weakness.
The arabs have been keeping africans as pets for several thousand years at least.
Since Somalia is more arab than aftican these days ...
Paul M wrote:> the administration claims that they reached out to the students
Christ. Does "reached out to" make anyone else retch? It's as bad as the curious progressive fetish about "voices". Both "reached out to" and "make our voices heard" share a characteristic ineffectuality. People who just don't get efficacy, people who just don't get that some things work and some things don't work.
Yes, ever since "Reach out and touch someone."
In the more modern times when I have come across it in business, it has made me cringe every single time. It really does come across as limp-wristed and pathetic.
@90 Harambe - yes, soft doughy white dude in baggy pleated khakis, probably liberal, but mainly just soft. I have never physically seen anyone who has used it. It's only been through text communication.
Depends on the size of the cafeteria.
"The problem isn't the budget for education, teacher's unions,the curriculum, school uniforms, or some missing piece of technology. The problem is your Damn stupid kid."- P.J. O'Rourke
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The last two paragraphs read more like a prison riot in the canteen than a scuffle in a high school. The most heavily watched fight that ever happened at my high school was between two fat chicks who went at it like rival male elephant seals.
I always ask my Catholic friends how Mary could be "ever virgin" when Matthew 1:24-25 denies the possibility.
24 When Joseph awoke from sleep he did what the angel of the Lord told him. He took his wife, 25 but did not have marital relations with her *until* she gave birth to a son, whom he named Jesus.
@98
2 Samuel 6:23: And Michal the daughter of Saul had no child until the day of her death.
1 Corinthians 15:25: For he [Christ] must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
Did Michal have children after she died and does Christ stop reigning after all his enemies are under his feet?
"I’m kinda done with Catholicism, now."
Good. Now go find a Baptist church in your area and get saved.
Man of The West wrote:Catholicism is the root of Christianity.
Funny, I always thought Jesus the Christ was the root of Christianity. Now I learn that the root is some group that schismed from Orthodoxy 1,500 years ago.
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20. bob kek mando
“yes, but in order to do that, you must first admit that the entire Catholic clergy is apostate for all practical purposes.
“so much for the Romans' Churchian claims to authority.”
You seem to have an authority problem. The fact that there is rot does not release one from obeying authority, or mean there is no authority.
The Catholic clergy is not “apostate for all practical purposes”, simply there are those who are not true Catholics but those who wish to destroy Christ’s Church and Christ’s teachings. That does not invalidate the doctrines of the Church.
In point of fact, Jesus taught to obey the corrupt Pharisees in their proper realm because they sat in the chair of Moses.
Otherwise there is no God-given authority in the world because all authorities are to some greater or lesser extent corrupt.
@101
Since you have broached the subject, a short comment as you need to study history. Christ founded the Catholic Church, HIS CHURCH, on Peter. Matt. 16:18
The Orthodox, and others, do not recognize Peter's authority, ergo, they are not in the right Church. John 10:1
@104: obviously I don't think Matthew 16:18 says what you think it says. We agree on the words, but not on their import.
@67
the last i saw, the estimable Mr. John C. Wright was still defending Pound-Me-In-The-France-Ass.
so, at a minimum, you'd be schismatic to Mr. Wright.
It doesn't matter if Mr. Wright THINKS I'm a schismatic. I'm not schismatic because I don't think Francis can possibly be the Pope.
and, seriously? "Queen of the Universe"? you don't see any problems with CMRI?
https://infogalactic.com/info/Isis
Just because they happen to share the same title doesn't mean they're the same thing.
@87 Dirk Manly
How is a religion which is a vaneer overlaid on top of a foundation of Roman paganism the "ROOT" of Christianity, exactly, when compared to, say, the Greek Orthodox, the Syrian Church, and the Egyptian Coptics, which have direct connections to the Apostles WITHOUT ANY ROMAN PAGANISM
That's a good one. Roman Catholicism is infected with Roman paganism but the eastern Orthodox are completely clean from paganism of any kind? How does that work? Does this have something to do with your stupidity about Emperor Constantine somehow corrupting the Church in some way nobody is ever able to explain?
And at the same time, Protestant men commonly joined Masonic lodges, which actually practiced occult paganism, which was forbidden to Catholics.
Preserving the Greco-Roman legacy != actually worshipping Zeus or Jupiter. But I'm not sure we can say the same about the Masons and Isis and Osiris.
Your attitude is like abolishing the names of the days of the week because they reference Tiw and Woden and Thor.
I always ask my Catholic friends how Mary could be "ever virgin" when Matthew 1:24-25 denies the possibility.
@98 Peter Gent
I'll have to look more into this. It wouldn't change the fact that Jesus Himself was a virgin birth, though; and besides, if you're right and the verse means exactly what it says, marital relations are not a sin so it wouldn't affect her being immaculate.
@98 Peter Gent
As I suspected. You really need to stop second-guessing authorities all throughout history who were likely far more familiar than you are with the original Aramaic, such as St. Jerome.
"He took his wife" refers to "taking" her into Egypt. It doesn't have the English meaning.
And, "until" rules out relations before Jesus' birth, but it does NOT necessarily imply relations AFTER Jesus' birth.
106. VFM #7634 July 31, 2018 4:37 PM
Just because they happen to share the same title doesn't mean they're the same thing.
they don't "share the same title". Queen of Heaven / the universe is not found anywhere in the Bible. nor is the concept in Scripture.
that's another appropriation of Pagan worship that the Roman Catholics stole.
106. VFM #7634 July 31, 2018 4:37 PM
That's a good one. Roman Catholicism is infected with Roman paganism but the eastern Orthodox are completely clean from paganism of any kind?
that's not what he said. "Roman paganism" is clearly NOT the paganism of the entire rest of the planet.
and if any of us thought that the Orthodox Church held absolute ecclesiastical authority
...
we'd be Orthodox?
is that a trick question?
107. VFM #7634 July 31, 2018 4:58 PM
And, "until" rules out relations before Jesus' birth, but it does NOT necessarily imply relations AFTER Jesus' birth.
while that is a ridiculous reading of the text, it is remotely possible.
what DOES absolutely disprove it is the fact that Jesus had BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
of course, once you adopt the insipid principle of Perpetual Virginity, such that Mary is supposed to have been a virgin even at the moment that Jesus crowned through the birth canal, then Joseph could have sex with Mary as often as he liked.
because she would forever be a virgin due to her magical stretchy rubber hymen, you see.
"what DOES absolutely disprove it is the fact that Jesus had BROTHERS AND SISTERS."
@108 bob kek mando
Like James and John, the sons of... Zebedee? Aramaic had no word for "cousin", so they used this term. They were quite liberal in what they called "brothers" and "sisters". There are examples in other languages too. For example, the Greek word "phrater" originally meant "brother" (obviously) but came to mean "fellow clan member".
If Mary had had other children, Jesus would have had no reason to make an extra effort to tell John to adopt her while He was on the Cross. And if John was already her son, he wouldn't even have had to do that, it would have been understood.
@105. "obviously I don't think Matthew 16:18 says what you think it says. We agree on the words, but not on their import."
Gotta love the Protestants who believe only in the literal interpretation of the Bible, until it says something they don't like.
One of the reason why I left.
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