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Tuesday, August 07, 2018

Delete your Facebook account NOW

Forget the thought policing. Forget the Infowars ban. Facebook is going to get a LOT worse very soon.
The social-media giant has asked large U.S. banks to share detailed financial information about their customers, including card transactions and checking-account balances, as part of an effort to offer new services to users.

Facebook increasingly wants to be a platform where people buy and sell goods and services, besides connecting with friends. The company over the past year asked JPMorgan Chase JPM 0.03% & Co., Wells Fargo WFC 0.10% & Co., Citigroup Inc. C 0.01% and U.S. Bancorp USB 0.04% to discuss potential offerings it could host for bank customers on Facebook Messenger, said people familiar with the matter.
At this point, if you're still on Facebook, you're not merely putting your children's privacy at risk and aiding and abetting your would-be destroyer, you're downright stupid. I've never been banned from Facebook, I used it sparingly at best, and I got rid of my account anyhow. The ability to indirectly exchange pictures with your extended family or cyberstalk your high school boyfriend just isn't worth it.

If you need to have group communications, get on Idka. If you want more conventional social media, try Oneway. Or go radio dark if that suits you. But regardless, at the very least, deactivate your Facebook account and encourage your friends and family to do the same. It's not going to get better.

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126 Comments:

Blogger Doomfinger August 07, 2018 11:07 AM  

I haven't used Facebook in years, but still had an account. Just deleted it. There's really no point in having it--there's no such thing as free.

Blogger tuberman August 07, 2018 11:10 AM  

My guess would be, many on here do not have a Facebook account, as I have never been interested, and those that do, seldom use it, and should leave now. Even some gamma normies do not like Zuck.

But, yep, the crap keeps getting deeper in the inverted world, and all planned some time ago. Perhaps some speedup of their processes now.

Blogger James Dixon August 07, 2018 11:12 AM  

I saw this in the business news yesterday. That was pretty much my reaction. I've never had a Facebook account and see no reason to ever create one. I understand there are some fairly nice games tied to Facebook, but that's not a good enough reason.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey August 07, 2018 11:18 AM  

Don't forget to uninstall the Facebook app from your mobile devices, too. It has way more permission for mischief than most people realize. Zap that app.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 07, 2018 11:18 AM  

How do you actually delete a FB account, if that's even possible?

Blogger Quilp August 07, 2018 11:20 AM  

Can we start calling it the all thing yet?

Blogger Gritón del Desierto August 07, 2018 11:20 AM  

Call me pioneer, I made that in October 2017,after a local feminist threatened to sur me,so I became "invisible" for some months.I didn't want to Go back anyway.Facebook said that they have a "copy" of my profile and that means that they didn't delete it at all.But is better to stop giving them more private info that they already have.I don't know What they'll do with that copy,I never gave any number of nothing,except my adress (I had two accounts,the older had the adress).Sometimes I think Skynet. Sorry of I talked too much about myself,I think it was worth sharing that

Blogger Argus Bacchus August 07, 2018 11:21 AM  

https://www.facebook.com/login.php?next=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fhelp%2Fdelete_account

Blogger stevev August 07, 2018 11:24 AM  

VD, I understand this question comes too late to appear anything but stupid, but here goes. How can FB legally gather private banking data about me, and how does deleting my FB account prevent the blatant abuse of requesting my income, CC transactions, etc? They have my registration data for at least 30 days, if not indefinitely.

Blogger doctrev August 07, 2018 11:26 AM  

They want your financial details to prevent fraud and display your bank balance? For the sake of convenience?

I bet they have candy in the back of that van.

Anyone, left or right, should be able to make EASY political cause from this. And start ridiculing lefties relentlessly if they're gullible enough to keep Facebook and you have to associate with them.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 07, 2018 11:28 AM  

Facebook increasingly wants to be a platform where people buy and sell goods and services, besides connecting with friends.

They want to be Amazon because their core business is not sustainable. Their the next AOL. The changing nature of the internet's infrastructure is going to render them obsolete. Why do I need a client-server connection when I want to inflict cat videos on my friends and family? Shouldn't I be able to provide content directly to the people I want to have it without an intervening mediator? Usenet is a useful example. People can publish their content to the net where it can be propagated between nodes along with whatever data about yourself you care to provide. Or it could be strictly peer to peer. Or maybe a combination. But it won't be proprietary.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus August 07, 2018 11:28 AM  

You're dumb as a bag of rocks if you have any engagement with FB. It's not just the data supplied or gleaned but also the legal permissions you grant the company and its affiliates by your acceptance of FB terms and conditions both express and constructive. Even a minimal, conservative presence gives FB the legal ability to map your mobile phone, smart tv and other smart applicance data supplied by other entities and build essentially a 3D holographic representation of your household and those of others related to you in some way. You enable the exploitation against interest of yourself and others by agreement to terms. Eliminate FB from your life and encourage others to do the same.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 07, 2018 11:28 AM  

I'll try it out thanks

Blogger doctrev August 07, 2018 11:29 AM  

stevev wrote:VD, I understand this question comes too late to appear anything but stupid, but here goes. How can FB legally gather private banking data about me, and how does deleting my FB account prevent the blatant abuse of requesting my income, CC transactions, etc? They have my registration data for at least 30 days, if not indefinitely.

The absurdly corrupt American government will make it legal, as this initiative shows.

Maybe they'll hold your data even after deleting your account. Maybe this grotesque farce will become a reality. But there's no sense providing them with even more data to track you and sell off your personal details.

Blogger CoolHand August 07, 2018 11:31 AM  

I can't believe anyone gave them real information about themselves in the first place.

I mean, how would they know if it were otherwise? They gonna call you out about the shit you enter not matching what's in your NSA file?

I sell a lot of stuff on FB, because my customer base is largely still there, but just because I use the site doesn't mean I actually gave them any real information about myself.

They lie to me, I lie to them, and use their bandwidth to sell my wares until I get banned. Then I start a new account and pick up right where I left off.

I'm sure it'll make ol' Zuck pleased as punch to know that he's help sell tens of thousands of untraceable firearms all throughout the US.

All perfectly legal, and all happening right under their noses.

If it all disappeared tomorrow, I'd be bummed for the loss of the easy sales tool, but it wouldn't damage my business much to be without it.

Use it while it's there and move on to something else when it collapses.

Blogger Durandel August 07, 2018 11:34 AM  

Stg58 - google it. There a few in-depth pages that give you visual step by step guidance. I’ve done this once before and it is a giant pain.

Btw, once you do it, don’t attempt s login even once during the 30 day period! Completes stops the deletion and you have to do it over again.

Blogger pyrrhus August 07, 2018 11:36 AM  

This is clearly illegal, and I can't believe a bank would do this. I intend to discuss this with JPM this morning.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 07, 2018 11:39 AM  

Btw, once you do it, don’t attempt s login even once during the 30 day period! Completes stops the deletion and you have to do it over again

AOL did this when they started their death spiral. People would try to login to their AOL account to see if it had been deleted and AOL would "interpret" that as cancelling the account termination, and start billing the customers credit card again.

Blogger Durandel August 07, 2018 11:44 AM  

@Ron - yep. Problem today though is that some links you click on in blogs/articles/etc take you to a FB page. If your browser or app auto-logins, you just screwed yourself and have to repeat the process. So delete Facebook and then delete the account info from any password lockers.

Blogger R Webfoot August 07, 2018 11:48 AM  

The article is behind a paywall so I can't see the details. I am guessing that they are not stupid enough to ask the banks to provide financial details on customers without those customers voluntarily opting-in, right?

Blogger Joseph Maroney August 07, 2018 11:50 AM  

"Maybe they'll hold your data even after deleting your account."

They do. Shadow-banning, meet Shadow-deleting.

Blogger Amy Bowersox August 07, 2018 11:55 AM  

Also, don't bank with big U.S. banks. Put your money in a smaller community bank or credit union. I did that because I wanted my money to benefit Coloradans, not fat-cat Wall Street bankster fraudsters.

Blogger TaurianVita August 07, 2018 11:56 AM  

I posted this a few months ago when Vox first mentioned Idka. I am an advisor to the company and happy to answer any questions as they come up.

You might want to register using your UserNames from VP if you want to connect with VP members on Idka; easier to find each other. You can then create Groups for family, friends, colleagues and call them whatever you want.

Idka may take a bit of getting used to, if you have been an FB user. In many ways, it is closer to Slack, offering lots of (free) functionality like chat/video/storage. It is still in Beta, so it is not perfect and Idka relies on user feedback to make product development decisions (important because they don't track user behavior inside the product!).

Here is another way that Idka is different; they DO NOT USE/SELL/SHARE your data. Eventually, it will be a Freemium/subscription model - very straightforward and will never incorporate advertising.

Vox has moved a few groups on to Idka and this is where the product shines. IF you have an existing group (ie family/club/work), members can register and create a new group. There is a shortcut which can invite people from your address book and they are working on streamlining this process.

As Idka is ALL about privacy, there will NOT be a parade when you join and it will not be like the local Pub where everyone knows your name. On the contrary... There are a few public groups, like All About Idka, where you can go for info and request answers to questions that may/may not be answered by other members. Otherwise... you are on your own!

Idka is the future of social networking privacy, but they need YOU, the early adopters to join and make it yours!

Blogger Joseph Maroney August 07, 2018 11:56 AM  

"I can't believe anyone gave them real information about themselves in the first place.
I mean, how would they know if it were otherwise?"


From friends, family and acquaintances talking about you on FB. They have detail files on people that have never logged into FB. They even have data profiles on oldsters that never use computers, complete with photographs of them.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 07, 2018 11:56 AM  

This is the company that said women should send them copies of any nude selfies they've taken over the years, so they could block them if exes posted them as revenge porn. I didn't think they could get more ham-fisted than that.

I don't believe they'll ever truly delete the info they've already collected on a person, regardless of what the laws and their rules say. But you can stop giving them more.

Blogger Durandel August 07, 2018 11:59 AM  

Reuters has a similar article up if the paywall is stopping you:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-banks/facebook-in-talks-with-banks-to-expand-customer-service-idUSKBN1KR1KY

“The social media company said users of financial firms such as PayPal (PYPL.O), Citibank (C.N) and American Express (AXP.N) could link their financial accounts with Facebook’s Messenger and chat with a customer service representative.

The Wall Street Journal had reported here that Facebook had asked banks to share detailed financial information about their customers, including card transactions and checking-account balances.

A Facebook spokeswoman said the company could see some financial information from such users if they choose to opt-in, but did not use it for “advertising or anything else”.

“We’re not using this information beyond enabling these (customer service) types of experiences,” Facebook said in a statement. “A critical part of these partnerships is keeping people’s information safe and secure.””

That last sentence is a joke.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 07, 2018 12:03 PM  

“We’re not using this information beyond enabling these (customer service) types of experiences,” Facebook said in a statement.
"Yet"

Blogger Darwinite August 07, 2018 12:06 PM  

A guy called Kevin Matthew put together a script to poison your Facebook data. Basically it overwrites all your old posts with gibberish, thousand of times over a month. There’s enough in this comment to easily find it with DuckDuckGo.

Blogger Cubby 8126 August 07, 2018 12:18 PM  

So I'm also struggling with the delete account page. I have deactivated the account awhile ago, how did you manage to finally delete your account vox?

Blogger riffer73 August 07, 2018 12:23 PM  

I tried to sign up to watch a rugby game and they asked for my phone number. That was enough for me and I was out.

I was on linked in but deleted that due to the data breach. It was pretty useless for business anyway.

Blogger Last Redoubt August 07, 2018 12:23 PM  

@25 - thank you for chiming in

I'd joined, but hadn't done much as it was difficult to look up too many people without already having email addresses or obvious names to go by. Do like the interface though, and the service has gotten more responsive/etc. over time. Look forward to using it more.

Ditto one way.

Blogger Scott August 07, 2018 12:24 PM  

Facebook accounts are never really deleted. I had setup an account years ago, used it for a couple months, got bombarded with greetings from people i barely new when i knew them, and immediately “deleted” the account.

Earlier THIS year i mispressed the “log on with FB” and typed in my name, realized i screwed up and logged in correctly. Later that day i got an email from FB concerning “reactivating” my account. Clearly not deleted.

Blogger Unknown August 07, 2018 12:31 PM  

For those of you who had accounts, be advised if you do delete it (and you should), you also have to delete every Facebook related cookie your browser has stored. Facebook cookies interact with the Facebook buttons every site has on them, and FB can track the sites you visit via that means.

I deleted my FB account last March, and have not looked back.

Blogger Hammerli280 August 07, 2018 12:32 PM  

Zuckerman is tying his own noose. I'm waiting for Trump to open the trap.

Blogger Hammerli280 August 07, 2018 12:36 PM  

I'll add that if FB were smart (Ha!), they could go to a pay-for-service model IF payment bought you privacy. Somebody has to pay the bills. Which means either a user fee, advertising, or data sales.

And a user fee for full privacy would be 100% simon-pure unobjectionable. And I suspect quite popular.

Blogger LP999-16 August 07, 2018 12:36 PM  

FB keeps or retains those images.

FB is used heavily by HR, law enforcement esp. atty.'s, pervs, sick pple that like to self harm, harass others, lurk on family, s--t post, its for the MPAI crowd, low info crowd. For people with nothing else better to do on their stupid Apple phones.

FB is for trouble makers.

Perhaps all this gross over exposure on a platform that is mostly for the moderates to left wing. (I am aware of those whom are not that post there and upload videos there, I dont know why they use that platform.)

Also FB is quickly becoming something for those over 55 or 60, consider how CNN and Andy Cooper had to prop up FB by starting FB live show for CNN dregs to "watch." FB already lost billions this month what is evident here is how far the left will go in a hissy fit to appease the left or stay leftwing.

During the same week CNNAndy mentioned this, a FB staffer said maybe they should shut down FB for the elections, great, shut it down until 11/15/2018 that could reveal a whole lot. It would be so fun, maybe with those days amassing the staff can really gut out anyone they dont like and dont want around their platform.

#ShutFBDowntilDecember

Remember the enemy: FAGSM: facebook, apple google silivon vall and now the Legacy Cable Media

Blogger Azimus August 07, 2018 12:37 PM  

15. CoolHand August 07, 2018 11:31 AM
I can't believe anyone gave them real information about themselves in the first place.


Are you sure this is the case? I never gave Google sh*t about me, never got a Gmail account, don't have one of their phones. I think I made a phony youtube account so I could access videos when they put the absurd "mature content" block on stuff they don't approve of politically. But let me tell you - they know a TON about me. So I'm not sure its what you're explicitly telling them as much as what you signed off on their right to gather it clandestinely.

Blogger Peaceful Poster August 07, 2018 12:39 PM  

Facebook (not to mention Google or Amazon) could easily outbid the mainstream TV networks for the NFL broadcast rights when the current contract ends in 2022.

Good thing I don't watch the NFL anymore.

Blogger Joseph Maroney August 07, 2018 12:43 PM  

Facebook will NEVER delete your data. They have data on people that have never even used it.

Blogger SmockMan August 07, 2018 12:44 PM  

I deleted mine years ago.

Blogger LP999-16 August 07, 2018 12:53 PM  

Hmm, what does UniCredit know about FB that those other listed banks here do not know!? Whoa. Smart Italians!

Blogger LP999-16 August 07, 2018 12:57 PM  

39 all conditioning to feel or be ok with giving out all sorts of personal info to teach you you don't own yourself or your privacy. The strange thing is that gen x, mil'lens even boomers whom are woke were aware of Mark being in the White House with Obama's meetings over the last 8 years, much to one's dislike or disapproval especially after Mark Suck called his users dumb expletives.

Blogger ant becker August 07, 2018 1:00 PM  

Vox? If James Delingpole asked you to do one of his Podcasts, would you do it?

Blogger JACIII August 07, 2018 1:02 PM  

This is going to be a hard pill for much of the dread ilk to swallow.

Blogger James Dixon August 07, 2018 1:02 PM  

> The article is behind a paywall so I can't see the details.

My forward to my wife from yesterday: http://archive.is/uTZHO

Blogger R Webfoot August 07, 2018 1:04 PM  

@29
"Yet"

It doesn't need to go that far.
(1) We ALREADY know that data Facebook stores can be, and has been, scooped by third-parties.
(2) Even without storage; in order to even view my bank balance or transaction history, I have to go through some amount of identity verification. Is Facebook going to have to require me to personally verify my identity every time it wants to ask my bank for my financial records? Because if not, then all it will take to steal my information will be some rogue Facebook employee's script exploiting the Facebook-is-allowed-to-see-this-info channel.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar August 07, 2018 1:05 PM  

Already on it. First I had to make a copy of my friends list and post my intentions so that I can keep in touch with anyone I may have trouble finding later. I haven't had Twitter for some time. Gotta dust off my address book.

I went to the FB help\delete_account and it does not load. Is Zuck making shenanigans with the delete process? After I delete my account will they then send my data to the bit bucket? I am pretty sure they will keep my history, now that they own it. Sucks they are not forced to destroy it.

Blogger Resident Moron™ August 07, 2018 1:06 PM  

I’ve deactivated my Facebook account several times. Family and friends spread around the world suck you back in. It’s like that scene from The Godfather.

But ain’t none of them worth having your financial data at the mercy of some PHP newbie who just graduated from New Delhi polytechnic ....

Deleted.

Blogger JACIII August 07, 2018 1:12 PM  

How many suckers have complied with Facebook's identity verification demand?

If I remember correctly it was copy of:
passport
DL
Birth Certificate

Data to be destroyed by facebook after examining. Of course.

Anyone that request didn't send running to the hills is too dumb to survive on planet earth, anyway.

Blogger Al K. Annossow August 07, 2018 1:18 PM  

TaurianVita wrote:happy to answer any questions as they come up
First, I like Idka. Thank you for a place to share with others who enjoy this VP blog.

Question:
Is Idka open to the idea that an automated computer program, using your standard web page interface, posts from one platform to or from Idka? The idea is to leverage people's efforts on social media. That makes both Idka snd its competitors useful to more people. But some places are against any automation. You're hosting us, so your preferences do matter.

Using the standard web page interface, if I could figure out how to automate the interaction, would not be intrusive to your software model and wouldn't require you to create an API.

Blogger lowercaseb August 07, 2018 1:26 PM  

I deleted mine back in 2009 when they were leaking all the personal info to third party plug-ins without permission. Remember when that was considered shocking. Good times...

Granted, I can't brag too much. I actually use Google+. However, that is a censorship-proof platform. If they delete my account for hate-speech, the other six people who actively use Google+ will get angry.

Blogger Eagle Elk August 07, 2018 1:37 PM  

25. TaurianVita, is there any way we can communicate?

God bless.

Mike Rock......

Blogger James Dixon August 07, 2018 1:45 PM  

> If they delete my account for hate-speech, the other six people who actively use Google+ will get angry.

I wish that were overly exaggerated, but it's close to the truth.

Blogger RB August 07, 2018 2:04 PM  

I deactivated FB over two years ago. Based on what I'm reading here, I'm not sure that deleting makes any difference. They've got what I gave them then, and they'll keep it somewhere - but I'm not giving them more.

Here's the other angle. Leave the big banks. They are corrupt as well. I left Chase a year ago for a small community bank. I'm sure they will be compromised eventually, but for now, it's much better.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 07, 2018 2:12 PM  

I tried Facebook, but I didn't like it. And, I didn't inhale.

Blogger Lovekraft August 07, 2018 2:14 PM  

One look at Zuckerberg is all you need to know.

O/T but heartiste has a new post on the middle-class women voting demographic. Something I've been trying to bring to the fore since the '16 election: that that demographic will be a primary target of the left to win future elections. Something we really need to consider and figure out how to sway/neutralize.

Blogger CM August 07, 2018 2:15 PM  

Blegh.

I haven't used facebook since November 3, 2015 - my kids have been off my posts for longer than that.

But I have a collection of kidisms I have wanted to write in a journal that have been saved in facebook memory. I'm going to have to do that and delete my account.

Anyone know of any tool that can crawl a media site and save to a hard drive?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 07, 2018 2:18 PM  

@51 Giving Facebook your ID documents is bad, but the government already has that data. The information that people voluntary post on Facebook goes way beyond that - pictures of their kids, their vacations, the interior of their homes, etc. Mindboggling. Facebook is the most comprehensive mass surveillance tool that has ever been deployed, and people are submitting to it voluntarily. Dumb fucks.

Blogger Gritón del Desierto August 07, 2018 2:34 PM  

Ok @Taurian Vita I've some questions about Idka.
It's similar to GAB? What are the differences?
I hated the "friends" model of Facebook.I hated the fact that muy friends,family,coworkers and unknown people were listed one above the other as "friends" ,everybody watching everything.Wich are the privacy configurations and how much it differs from Facebook?
It's there a "wall" were you can post any though that you have at the moment?
And last,it's Idka available for people in the Hispanosphere? I tried to convince somo friends of moving to GAB but it was difficult for them because the site is in english only

Blogger Crew August 07, 2018 2:46 PM  

Everytime! The Fake Conservatives reveal their true selves!

David French advocates A Better Way to Ban Alex Jones

Blogger LP999-16 August 07, 2018 2:53 PM  

There are many retailers on FB that will be left in the dark in that they will not understand what we are talking about.

I tried to tell dad's sister a great seller on FB and she did not understand or want to listen, she thinks FB is unable to breakable. Trustworthy 100%

Blogger Joseph Maroney August 07, 2018 2:55 PM  

"Facebook is the most comprehensive mass surveillance tool that has ever been deployed, and people are submitting to it voluntarily. Dumb fucks."

Yep, and helpfully tagging the different faces/identities in photographs to save the servers the trouble.

Blogger Zander Stander August 07, 2018 2:57 PM  

Anybody ever tried to delete LinkedIn? Apparrantly it is impossible. Digital Reader's Digest. They know who you are, and they will find you.

Blogger Resident Moron™ August 07, 2018 3:19 PM  

@65

If you're in Europe the new GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) gives you the right to be forgotten.

I'm working through the mechanics of actually making that happen for Facebook right now. I will report back on how it goes.

Blogger John Bradley August 07, 2018 3:20 PM  

Zander: Just did it, no problem.

how to close your account

Blogger Nate August 07, 2018 3:33 PM  

It is harious to me that you think not having a Facebook account means they don't gather info and track you.

Not having a Facebook account means nothing. They still track you. They get your info from your friends and family who do use Facebook. They get it from all kinds of places. Anywhere they can.

Blogger Nate August 07, 2018 3:35 PM  

A friend or relative has your phone number and address in their contacts. They open the Facebook app or go to the Facebook web page. Boom. Facebook has your info. Even if you have never used their service or visited their site. Nothing you can do to stop it.

Blogger Joseph Maroney August 07, 2018 3:49 PM  

That's right. That's one of the ways they've collected information about people that have never used a computer or smart phone.

Blogger Random #57 August 07, 2018 3:52 PM  

@68 Nate:

Not having a Facebook account means nothing. They still track you. They get your info from your friends and family who do use Facebook. They get it from all kinds of places. Anywhere they can.

If you don't have a Facebook account then you aren't directly adding to their store of knowledge about you. But your general point is correct, they go so far as to see who you're physically close to by having their smartphone apps report which non-account holder phones are close, where, and for how long.

It's hard to overstate how comprehensive smartphones are as spying platforms.

Blogger Dangeresque August 07, 2018 4:36 PM  

Deactivated mine yesterday. It had long since become useless after the 2016 election revealed almost everyone I've ever known to be a bunch of mentally ill gammas and loose women. All that's left on there is them spewing their stream of consciousness anxieties about where "their" society is headed after actual moral human beings with skin in the game take the reigns.

OMG, they might get rid of all our favorite instant gratification monkey pastimes like late night talk shows and tranny worship!

Blogger Franz Lyonheart August 07, 2018 4:57 PM  

Call me pioneer, I made that in October 2017,after a local feminist threatened to sur me,so I became "invisible" for some months.

Gritón, I won't call you that, but I notice you might benefit from the basic rule : never stik your dik in crazy!

Blogger Cecil Henry August 07, 2018 5:12 PM  

I have a fake account with no real info.

Does it matter then??

Blogger Nate August 07, 2018 5:18 PM  

'If you don't have a Facebook account then you aren't directly adding to their store of knowledge about you."

you are also limiting your ability to opt out. In order to actually stop facebook from gathering info and tracking you.. facebook requires you to create an account with them.

They are that Nazi. There is a whole series of articles on Wired.com about one of their editor's experience trying to get facebook to stop tracking him. and this is a man who has never used it.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 07, 2018 5:19 PM  

@66

"If you're in Europe the new GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) gives you the right to be forgotten.

I'm working through the mechanics of actually making that happen for Facebook right now. I will report back on how it goes."

There are these things called "backup tapes"....

EVEN IF you delete your account, your data is still on the weekly/monthly full-backups, and any changes between full backups are on the daily/partials.
You'll never be forgotten until the backup tapes are

Blogger Sam Sutherland August 07, 2018 5:21 PM  

I just deleted my FB account, and now I can't use FB to share this VOX POPULI article to encourage my friends to do the same!

Blogger Nate August 07, 2018 5:21 PM  

Facebook is worse that google when it comes to this sort of shit... and that is really almost unthinkable. But its true. Google uses your tech to spy on you.

Facebook uses everyone else's tech to spy on you.

Its possible that vox thinks Facebook doesn't have his personal info.. but he's almost certainly wrong. since he likely has friends and family who use facebook… who have his phone number... address.. birthday... all of that stuff in their contacts on their phones. And their phones are sending it to facebook.

And you can ask Facebook to delete it all.. and they will. and 2 seconds later they will have all the info back again from 100 different sources.

Blogger Nate August 07, 2018 5:21 PM  

the only thing that will stop this... is direct government action.

Blogger Eagle Elk August 07, 2018 6:18 PM  

I am having trouble finding groups on IDKA. I search 'groups' and come up with a total of twenty.... even the ELOE does not come up. I went through the short tutorial and am still lost there....help~!

Blogger otwelmr August 07, 2018 6:27 PM  

I deactivated a few months ago, and wonder if I should leave it alone or reactivate so I can delete. Anyone have thoughts about these options?

Blogger TaurianVita August 07, 2018 6:50 PM  

I will try to answer questions tomorrow, as I am based in Europe and it is late here!

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Blogger Don't Call Me Len August 07, 2018 7:18 PM  

@30 - Kevin Matthews script maybe a little involved for the non-coding among us, but it's a start.

https://www.shift8web.ca/2018/03/delete-facebook-how-to-poison-obfuscate-and-purge-your-facebook-data-before-deleting-your-account/#0

Blogger Nate August 07, 2018 7:24 PM  

again... anything you do to the data before you delete the account will be irrelevant. most of the important stuff will come from your friends.

Blogger Avalanche August 07, 2018 8:00 PM  

@47 {Link to article}

Thanks... From that article:
"a group of large banks last year connected their smartphone apps to money-transfer network Zelle."

You need to know:
On the Zelle website, IF you go looking for it -- they point out that their service is ONLY for TRFing money to people you know and trust. Many MANY people have lost a lot of money using Zelle to TRF payments for stuff on eBay or Craig's List etc. -- because it turns out Zelle doesn't give a damn! They hand your money over (because you told them to: "you authorized the transfer") and they make clear that it's 100% ON YOU!

AND your very own bank (or credit union!), who signed you up and switched you from whatever TRF outfit they used before, will NOT warn you about this! OR back you for your lost money!

From:
https://bobsullivan.net/cybercrime/zelles-fraud-problem-gains-steam-i-fix-misleading-ads-with-rap-of-my-own/

"Banks will say anything to get you to try / their Venmo-killing app. They'll even lie."

Zelle app users are slowly waking up to the reality that their transactions are entirely insecure. Now that The
New York Times has taken on this issue, perhaps something will change. {https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/22/business/zelle-banks-fraud.html}

Complaints about scammers flocking to the money-swapping service have piled up as victims learn they have none of the traditional protections they expect from banks — the ability to dispute fraudulent transactions, for example. Zelle users who've lost money are simply out of luck. Zelle is an app supported by a consortium of large banks, cobbled together in response to the rapid rise of non-bank money-sharing tools like Venmo. Zelle is already ragingly popular, much larger than Venmo, thanks to the big brands behind it. But Zelle has a dirty secret, buried deep in its terms and conditions, not expressed as a catchy rap.

"These transactions are potentially high risk," the service says on its Frequently Asked Questions page.

This comes as a surprise, particularly since big banks have worked hard to use their institutional advantage — "Trust us, we're big, and you've heard of us" — when taking the battle to Venmo. In addition to the "Backed by the banks" and "you know it's secure" phrasing in its ads, other marketing around Zelle makes repeated use of the words "safe" and "safely."

Blogger Avalanche August 07, 2018 8:04 PM  

@60 " Facebook is the most comprehensive mass surveillance tool that has ever been deployed"

The Panopticon. And we are the prisoners.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 07, 2018 8:45 PM  

Facebook will still gather data about you even if you delete your account, sure, but you're still better off giving them as little information as possible. So delete your account, use secure browser settings, and most importantly, make sure their app is completely removed from your phone.

Blogger SmockMan August 07, 2018 8:56 PM  

Did anyone make a Castalia house group on idka?

Blogger Jane Kinkel August 07, 2018 9:00 PM  

Attempting to delete...keep getting message that there is trouble loading. I AM A CAPTIVE!!!!

Blogger tz August 07, 2018 9:06 PM  

2. Materials or statements that constitute unlawful utterances, statements, expressions or remarks, whether in respect of libel, privacy, unlawful discrimination or racism, sexism or otherwise 3. Incitement of any kind in respect of actions to undertake anything unlawful or malicious; or to unlawfully discriminate based on ethnicity, race, sex, gender or otherwise; or use hateful or threatening language or statements; nor bully or torment any other person or group of persons

Idka's ToS.

I won't use any platform that says they are Nazis, I'm a Jew and I have to hope they won't come for me.

Blogger tz August 07, 2018 9:07 PM  

@88 that is why you need an ad or other blocker. My browser won't run any javascript or load any image from Facebook.

Blogger cmbaileytstc August 07, 2018 10:26 PM  

OT: Is calling authoritarian or thuggish Leftists “Nazis” effective rhetoric?

Blogger John Best August 07, 2018 10:48 PM  

My friend just deleted her Facebook, she is a good Christian person and knows the truth.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel August 07, 2018 11:02 PM  

I don't much care because I made my acct with a fake name. There is no personal info on my acct.

So, if you want to stay with facebook, change the name to a fake one.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel August 07, 2018 11:03 PM  

I don't much care because I made my acct with a fake name. There is no personal info on my acct.

So, if you want to stay with facebook, change the name to a fake one.

Blogger tz August 07, 2018 11:07 PM  

You can fake your name, but the FB icon with cookies will track you everywhere. I'm not sure if deleting will help - I've done so, but part of the panopticon is if anyone has you in their contacts, it will be reported to Facebook, so the GPS estimation and who knows what else will be reported on any site with a Facebook icon and Javascript.

We need Ghostery on steroids.

Blogger Brian Dean August 07, 2018 11:07 PM  

If the supreme court says in Roe v. Wade, that we have a constitutional right to privacy, then shouldn't one of these follow?

1) The government should crack down on Facebook for violating our right to privacy.

2) Facebook should be taken to court, which will then decide that we do not have a right to privacy. In which case, Roe v. Wade should be considered invalid.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 07, 2018 11:14 PM  

"It is harious to me that you think not having a Facebook account means they don't gather info and track you."

Too true. They track you via script through thousands of different sites as well, and can track you through those. Got a smartphone? If it so much as came with any facebook software -- let alone you downloading it -- they almost certainly have all of your contact info and most of everything else.

And yes, they can and do build dossiers out of secondhand data from your friends and acquaintances. They can and do apply various algorithms to masses of personal data to find and abuse strange-attractor-patterns and find out things no one would ever even suspect about people who have never even considered opening an account.

Blogger Jack Amok August 07, 2018 11:32 PM  

Facebook increasingly wants to be a platform where people buy and sell goods and services, besides connecting with friends.

They want to be Amazon because their core business is not sustainable.


Bingo. They're trying to out-Google Google on the data collection front, with the idea they can sell your data to marketing outfits. But the returns from that kind of data are about 98% imaginary. Partly because they're all too stupid to make it work (example, I recently bought a pressure cooker on Amazon. For the next three weeks, almost every website I went to showed me ads for pressure cookers. Not for pressure cooker accessories, or pressure cooker recipe books, or canning jars, or... you get the idea. These dorks claim to be savants, pulling data together like the perfect panopticon, but I've met them.

They're idiots who are very full of themselves.

Your bartender probably knows more about who you really are.

But that doesn't mean you should blindly feed the beast.

Blogger Daniel Babylon August 07, 2018 11:47 PM  

cmbaileytstc wrote:OT: Is calling authoritarian or thuggish Leftists “Nazis” effective rhetoric?
It's horrible rhetoric. Whenever you take an insult thrown against you and throw it back at your opponent, it makes you look pathetic. Just see all the liberals and SJW's trying to spin things so that they can say "WOW, conservatives are the REAL crybaby snowflakes, not us!" It makes you look like a blubbering child that can say nothing but, "N-no, you are!"

Blogger Gritón del Desierto August 08, 2018 12:18 AM  

Oh no,it wasn't for that hahaha ,or at least it wasn't me xD
Her sister was a slut and she gave an interview saying that she'd been raped,but for the way she told the incident,it was clearly consensual.I said that it was Bs. and a horde of crazies came to me profile.Since the supposed rapist was relative of a high profile politician and they get him in jail anyway,I didn't want to take the risk so I deleted it all.I planned to get back but it's too much censorship now.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 08, 2018 12:28 AM  

TaurianVita wrote:You might want to register using your UserNames from VP if you want to connect with VP members on Idka; easier to find each other.

How do I change the name to show up as Ominous Cowherd?

Blogger CoolHand August 08, 2018 1:16 AM  

Azimus wrote:
Are you sure this is the case? I never gave Google sh*t about me, never got a Gmail account, don't have one of their phones. I think I made a phony youtube account so I could access videos when they put the absurd "mature content" block on stuff they don't approve of politically. But let me tell you - they know a TON about me. So I'm not sure its what you're explicitly telling them as much as what you signed off on their right to gather it clandestinely.


I don't doubt they know all kinds of things about me, but that's just a hazard of doing business.

Everything they've got is already public domain through various gov't registrations that are required of me by law.

What info they can get is accessible by anyone, and if they dig really deep they'll find that I'm a very boring person. Sad for them, I guess.

I don't imagine myself to be so important that people would track me down to kill me (I like to think I'd make 'em earn it if they did), and outside that threat I'm not sure what good my info will do them.

None of my actual family is on FB, and all of my "friends" on there are not people I've ever met in real life.

From the very start I've assumed that every thing I've ever said or watched there was being recorded, so if they WERE recording it, oh well.

You can't effectively hide from the all seeing eye and court normie customers online simultaneously, that's an either/or situation.

Blogger wreckage August 08, 2018 4:44 AM  

IDKA says you must agree not to post anything unlawful or illegal, as they should and must. They also commit themselves to NOT CHECKING THIS EVER. Alex Jones had not posted any unlawful material.

Blogger FrankNorman August 08, 2018 5:36 AM  

Vox, about Idka - it looks all very well, but I have one concern here - Swedish laws. So if one makes an account and discusses honestly what one thinks about letting gangs of North African immigrants run around on the streets raping young girls, and what we think should be done about this, will they get all triggered and close the account?

Blogger Attila is my bro August 08, 2018 6:11 AM  

Using brave browser to block 3rd party cookies helps a lot. Ad blocking helps even more. And ad blocking denies them income and greatly speeds up page rendering, so it's a win-win-win. Blocking Javascript enhances that even further, although at the cost of reduced functionality. Three are Lloyd of things you can do to reduce the risk but ultimately it's like sex: the only guaranteed way to avoid pregnancy and STDs is abstinence.

Blogger wreckage August 08, 2018 6:13 AM  

@106, you commit to not uploading and distributing illegal content. They have to put that in the agreement. They have to. But your data remains private and so do your conversations.
This is already better than FB. Even if they enforce Swedish law via the proper legal process, it will still be better than Facebook in every possible way; since FB enforces More Than Swedish rules. And FB owns everything you post there.
But if you say "we have to go kill blacks right now", nothing will save you. Even in the US conspiracy to commit a crime is not free speech.

Blogger By My Greybeard! August 08, 2018 9:08 AM  

And may I say:
While I don't usually bad mouth samsung galaxy note phones, when you OTA upgrade|patch the O|S, the upgrade|patch restores the FB App (specifically), used to restore the “google+” app and while I haven't checked, might restore other “spy” apps as well.

*¹:
After a huge number of complaints over restoring “google+” they ceased doing so.

When the Google+ app was restored, the invocation icon was put in the “system”, “google”, or “miscellaneous” folder depending on the O|S version, so many people were unaware that it had been restored.

Samsung's argument (if I understood it corectly) was that most tech support forums for Google store apps are housed in Google Groups; Samsung felt it was doing Users a favor by updating Plus whenever it updated the O|S.

A sidebar to the whole discussion is, although Samsung claimed it was “...responding to customer concerns...” by dropping the forced reinstall, the timing of the change was suspiciously close to the EU's thumping of Google.

I know many of the phone producers get spiffs for including the bloatware, this means that we need to be vigilant and not make assumptions over the forthrightness of the intentions of anyone providing us goods or services.

It seems that, if it provides even a little payday merchants have no qualms bundling-in piles of useless irrelevant junk regardless of the inconvenience to the purchaser.

Blogger By My Greybeard! August 08, 2018 9:20 AM  

My guess is the permission to access your financials will become part of any new User Agreement one checks-off to view FB, while current users will get an “... you agree to changes in our User Agreement if you proceed...” dialog when they first login after FB forges the agreement w|the banking community.


Blogger By My Greybeard! August 08, 2018 10:01 AM  

Amy, that's good advice, and I use USAA myself.

However, keep in mind that most of the small, (and small-er,) banks and CU-s were rolled into compliance w|any past & future foolishness the big banks decided to inflict on customers during the “financial crisis” that kicked-off BO's first term.

USAA, for example, tried very hard to remain independent, but was threatened w|having its license to operate and charter pulled, along w|the loss of FDIC insurance.

We fought for three months, but eventually had to capitulate in order to continue serving out customers.

We even considered shuttering the business and advising users to use a sister bank, (there were ones small enough to escape under the radar scattered throughout the nation's military installations), but we were informed that the entirety of our financials would be confiscated, and customers would be required to petition the courts to be made whole|for the return of their assets!

That would have taken years to wind-out, and personally I think a customer who managed to recoup one cent on the dollar could consider themselves exceedingly lucky.

I'm afraid we'll never know the extent the financial system was perverted during that “bailout”.

The “tendrils of perversion” propagated so deep and quietly, so quickly and thoroughly— w|so little waste of effort and so few missteps— that the operation simply had to be pre-planned.

I'd always considered myself, and my family, a fairly “paranoid” person, always planning for worst-case. When I realized what felt like an Op against our financial institutions had been accomplished, (w|the willing help of the GOPe) the thought of terrified me.

It terrified me even more b|c it meant we were entering the endgame phase and it seemed to me no one realized it.

I now see evidence that the knowledge is spreading— we as a people are awakening— and it lifts the grey clouds, somewhat... but those were very dark days.



Blogger Tars Tarkusz August 08, 2018 11:33 AM  

Better still, go into your host file and redirect all facebook pages back to the loopback address 127.0.0.1 It will completely block FB on your computer and they won't be able to track you on 3rd party websites (which they do).

Unfortunately, deleting your account does nothing. I deleted my account and even made a backup of on a thumbdrive. I turned on an an old tablet and logged into FB and it was as if it was never deleted!

Blogger Unknown August 08, 2018 11:49 AM  

It is worth noting that Fakebook CENSORS any mention of a website, www.CodeIsFreeSpeech.com that provides FREE downloads of 3D-printable firearm blueprints. And, since Facebook logins are so prevalent for posting commentary across the Internet, they are very effectively suppressing this "Forbidden knowledge". Please go to the website, download some or all 10 of the free blueprints, and then, repost it to your friends and across the Internet, to the extent you can. Strike a BLOW against Fakebook and judicial CENSORSHIP! Support TWO amendments at once, the First and the Second!

Blogger By My Greybeard! August 08, 2018 2:47 PM  

Unfortunately most Android App developers use a Google+ forum for tech support.

I do not know if a developer distributing an App via Google's store is required to use Google+ as a tech support interface, but as far as I can tell, all the developers do.

What I do know: a couple years ago, a nephew was looking into selling a port of his iphone App through Goog's store, was notified that using a Goo+ forum wasn't required...
only STRONGLY suggested by Da Goo as the tech support portal of choice.

I hate FB, and hate that relatives and relations fee free to post photos of me, my wife, my dogs, etc all over it.

My children use it to post “family stuff”; baby photos, birthday parties and reunions... everything.

When I complain about strangers oogling my family to them, the comeback is “nobody but family cares about it, so no one is going to go looking for|read it”.

At least they don't talk about firearms on their FB pgs|Twit-feed. That's something, anyway.

Blogger Unknown August 08, 2018 8:36 PM  

Delete all of your information first, friends and pictures, then deactivate. Otherwise your account can be reactivated from you left off.

Blogger Avalanche August 09, 2018 6:55 AM  

Deleted all my posts and likes; except for a post to this 'fake books wants into your banking.' In a week, I will delete my account entirely. I am also thinking about writing (on paper!) to my banks and directly them specifically that they may NOT share my financial info with social media companies, esp. Fakebook. (They always say you can opt out of them sharing your info with third parties... MIGHT work?)

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Blogger TaurianVita August 10, 2018 9:50 AM  

@101 How do I change UserName to Ominous Cowherd?

In order to change your profile name under your private profile, you go to the three vertical dots, click on settings and you'll see a form where you can enter a new name

Blogger TaurianVita August 10, 2018 9:57 AM  

According to Swedish law, it is not illegal to express opinions, even if they are seen as racist. It is not illegal to demonstrate as a self-proclaimed Nazi group, for example. The point at which it becomes illegal, is if one is posing a dangerous or violent threat.

So, Swedish authorities wouldn't have any right to see content, unless there was some evidence of illegal activity

Idka is still working on some of the policies and legalese for its ToS, but we will be as transparent as possible. Additionally, Idka does not look into private content for any reason, unless the user is thought to be engaging in criminal activity. It has to be pretty clear that the user in question poses some sort of threat. Harassment, threat of violence, posting illegal material ... etc. If the user is reported, by law we have to look into it. If that user has been falsely accused, the person who reported the user will be banned from Idka.

FrankNorman wrote:Vox, about Idka - it looks all very well, but I have one concern here - Swedish laws. So if one makes an account and discusses honestly what one thinks about letting gangs of North African immigrants run around on the streets raping young girls, and what we think should be done about this, will they get all triggered and close the account?

Blogger TaurianVita August 10, 2018 10:02 AM  

@104 - I should also add that no one in your group would be likely to report a post IF they are people known to you... which is what Idka is about. One analogy that I like to use is Idka is a bit like a hotel or conference center who does not want to police what happens or is discussed in the rooms that it rents out. But if someone is being raped (by Orcs!), then they can stop it if it is reported by someone IN the room. IANAL, but we use them to write ToS points.

Pls continue to comment if there is something that I have missed.

Blogger TaurianVita August 10, 2018 10:14 AM  

@59 - In some ways, Idka is the opposite of Gab, as its focus is on keeping user activity private. Idka does not monitor it and nobody from the outside can get access. Idka does not share/sell user data and there are no ads.

Gab (and Twitter) are more like the town square, giving you a soapbox to say whatever you want to say. Twitter, obviously, censors what people can say, while Gab proudly says there will be NO censorship.

Another analogy... Idka is the place where you can go to privately discuss the ideas that you heard from the "evil racists" on Gab ;-), and start your own group/club of like minded people who can talk about whatever they want without fear of reprisals or being outed by SJWs combing through your Twitter history...

To be clear, Idka is not Alt-Tech. The most conservative Swede is still pretty far to the left (though SD is making progress! I used to live there and still spend time there). But the mgmt are privacy advocates to the core, and like Voltaire, they might not always like what you say, but they will fight to the death for your right to say it... or something like that!

Gritón del Desierto wrote:Ok @Taurian Vita I've some questions about Idka.

It's similar to GAB? What are the differences?

I hated the "friends" model of Facebook.I hated the fact that muy friends,family,coworkers and unknown people were listed one above the other as "friends" ,everybody watching everything.Wich are the privacy configurations and how much it differs from Facebook?

It's there a "wall" were you can post any though that you have at the moment?

And last,it's Idka available for people in the Hispanosphere? I tried to convince somo friends of moving to GAB but it was difficult for them because the site is in english only

Blogger TaurianVita August 10, 2018 10:17 AM  

@59 - Another thing about Gab (or Twitter) is it is (mostly) a One to Many platform. There is not a lot of direct engagement possible because of the way the platform is architected.

In this way, Idka is much more like FB or Slack, which are collaboration platforms. BUT, Idka does not use YOU as the product!

Hope this answers your question.

Blogger TaurianVita August 10, 2018 10:30 AM  

Ah, forgot to answer about the Hispanosphere. Product is still in Beta, and there are plans for Swedish, Spanish, French and German versions. But it will not happen until 2019.

Blogger Gritón del Desierto August 10, 2018 10:38 AM  

Thanks for your time,@TaurianVita

Blogger TaurianVita August 10, 2018 2:21 PM  

@50 Looking into this...

50. Al K. Annossow August 07, 2018 1:18 PM
TaurianVita wrote:
happy to answer any questions as they come up

First, I like Idka. Thank you for a place to share with others who enjoy this VP blog.

Question:
Is Idka open to the idea that an automated computer program, using your standard web page interface, posts from one platform to or from Idka? The idea is to leverage people's efforts on social media. That makes both Idka snd its competitors useful to more people. But some places are against any automation. You're hosting us, so your preferences do matter.

Using the standard web page interface, if I could figure out how to automate the interaction, would not be intrusive to your software model and wouldn't require you to create an API.

Blogger TaurianVita August 10, 2018 2:22 PM  

@52 email?

Eagle Elk wrote:25. TaurianVita, is there any way we can communicate?

God bless.

Mike Rock......

Blogger TaurianVita August 10, 2018 2:34 PM  

My pleasure! Anything for the movement...

Gritón del Desierto wrote:Thanks for your time,@TaurianVita

Blogger Dirk Manly August 10, 2018 10:29 PM  

@106

"
But if you say "we have to go kill blacks right now", nothing will save you. Even in the US conspiracy to commit a crime is not free speech."

That's not conspiracy to commit anything.
It's an expression of an opinion.

"Let's start killing the blacks tomorrow at 10 PM EST" *MIGHT* considered conspiracy... depending on the context. If it's a flippant remark -- still no conspiracy. If it's within the context of a discussion (either immediate, or intermittently on-going for some period of time) about developing specific plans for violence against 1 or more targets... THEN a prosecutor would have an actual case.

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