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Tuesday, August 14, 2018

"From Birmingham"

Right, because trying to kill people on Westminster Bridge is just something that the British people have always done. It's part and parcel of living in London, after all.
A Sudanese immigrant known to police is thought to be behind another terror attack on Westminster after ploughing his car into 15 cyclists outside Parliament.

Salih Khater, 29, veered off the road careering into pedestrians and cyclists at Parliament Square, after spending the night cruising around London.

There were screams as the Ford Fiesta mounted the pavement and mowed people down at up to 50mph at 7.37am.

In a chilling echo of Khalid Masood’s murderous rampage on Westminster 17 months ago, the driver, from Birmingham, sped towards the Palace of Westminster – narrowly missing two police officers guarding the access road who jumped out of his path. He then smashed into a security barrier outside Parliament.

Despite hitting at least 15 cyclists and pedestrians during rush hour, no one was killed with only one female cyclist seriously injured.
Everything across the West is now just a prelude to war. In the extremely unlikely chance you haven't already gunned up, I suggest you do so now.

Diversity + Proximity = War.

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80 Comments:

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 14, 2018 6:38 PM  

You need one gun, but thousands of rounds of ammunition. Nobody ever has enough ammunition.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 14, 2018 6:39 PM  

Only communists say you have enough ammunition.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 14, 2018 6:41 PM  

And training, a gun is not a magic talisman.

Blogger Ferdinand August 14, 2018 6:42 PM  

Quintessential british. England is a set of ideas and liberties, after all.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len August 14, 2018 6:44 PM  

Two posts today about Islamists attacking cyclists. What did Mohammed have against the wheel?

Blogger tz August 14, 2018 6:54 PM  

And the most shocking thing about this climate change full Stalin/Nazi article on the Intercept is the total lack of awareness.

They aren't even trying to hide their totalitarian genocidal indiffernce.

Indiffernce, not hate. You don't hate the mice you kill and dispose of, they are just "inconnveient life forms".

Blogger Elijah August 14, 2018 6:55 PM  

one gun is not enough. you need at least a combat shotgun, an ar-15 type, a long gun and at least two automatic pistols and one revolver. i would also get a small .380 to carry in ankle holster. and oc course lots and lots of ammo

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira August 14, 2018 6:56 PM  

Don't just buy guns, develop your skill level with them.

Blogger tz August 14, 2018 7:00 PM  

@5 - cultural, destroy cycles, not cyclists

Blogger pyrrhus August 14, 2018 7:28 PM  

It's admirable how the Idea that is England is embraced so well by lesser breeds without the law....

Blogger Ledford Ledford August 14, 2018 7:42 PM  

I saw "From Birmingham" and assumed it was Ozzy Osborne.

Blogger Lovekraft August 14, 2018 7:44 PM  

Another gem found on reddit pointing out the left's hypocrisy:

http://magaimg.net/img/5xyj.jpg

Blogger VD August 14, 2018 7:50 PM  

Another gem found on reddit pointing out the left's hypocrisy:

Pointing out the Left is hypocritical is like pointing out that they are godless or that they are the real racists. They don't care and neither does anyone else. Stop conservatizing.

Blogger Unknown August 14, 2018 7:54 PM  

To echo what others said, get one handgun (at first), get lots of ammo, and then use that ammo in training (Insights Training Academy in Seattle is local to me, and highly recommended.) Once you get some training, dry fire at home to maintain those skills.

Blogger DonReynolds August 14, 2018 7:57 PM  

These terrorists are mad dogs and must be dealt with the same way. The only question along the way is....How many people are going to get mauled before there is agreement to be rid of them?

Blogger dvdivx August 14, 2018 8:05 PM  

Guns aren't going to help when you when you have lunatic judges letting terrorist and rapist go free like the Muslims in New Mexico and in the UK. The state, the elite, the media and the tech giants have all declared war. I'd like to think people can wake up but look at the whites in South Africa. Everyone knows they are doomed except them.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 14, 2018 8:16 PM  

dvdivx wrote:Guns aren't going to help when you when you have lunatic judges letting terrorist and rapist go free like the Muslims in New Mexico and in the UK.
Depends on when, where and how the guns are used, now doesn't it?
It will come to bloodshed, eventually.

Blogger VD August 14, 2018 8:22 PM  

Guns aren't going to help when you when you have lunatic judges letting terrorist and rapist go free like the Muslims in New Mexico and in the UK.

You really don't understand how that thing called "war" works.

Blogger basementhomebrewer August 14, 2018 8:23 PM  

Unknown wrote:To echo what others said, get one handgun (at first), get lots of ammo, and then use that ammo in training (Insights Training Academy in Seattle is local to me, and highly recommended.) Once you get some training, dry fire at home to maintain those skills.

I would disagree in this scenario. A long gun is going to do you a lot more good if things go hot. It's good to have a handgun but it's primary purpose is to let you fight your way to a long gun.

Blogger Le Regardeur August 14, 2018 8:35 PM  

At this point the English deserve to be wiped out. They voted for Brexit to eliminate migration of white western Europeans so that they could import more people from the third world. When was the last time that a French, Dutch or Polish person was responsible for a terrorist atrocity in the U.K?

Blogger Ryan G August 14, 2018 8:37 PM  

@DonReynolds: It's not "how many", it's a question of "who". If muzzies started killing politicians en masse, or routinely attacking their family members, THEN we'd see a response. So long as it's just us plebs getting torn to pieces by IEDs and runover by trucks of peace, then I doubt they'd care even if the body count reached into the millions.

Blogger Cecil Henry August 14, 2018 8:39 PM  

First Canadian politician in years to even hint at the truth:

Conservative MP Maxime Bernier says that more diversity will destroy Canada's greatness.



Access to white people is not a human right:


https://globalnews.ca/news/4385065/maxime-bernier-twitter-diversity-justin-trudeau/

Blogger DonReynolds August 14, 2018 8:42 PM  

dvdivx wrote:Guns aren't going to help when you when you have lunatic judges letting terrorist and rapist go free like the Muslims in New Mexico and in the UK. The state, the elite, the media and the tech giants have all declared war. I'd like to think people can wake up but look at the whites in South Africa. Everyone knows they are doomed except them.

I have no idea what you think would work if they believe guns will not work. Guns may be the only thing that actually works in this situation. Peanut butter does not work.

Blogger Mr. Deficient August 14, 2018 8:58 PM  

The best part @22 Is the Canadian progressive conservative response . There is cucked and then there is Canadian cucked. Another nice note of this is the darling of libertarian Canadians who are also as left-wing as the most hard-core social justice warrior when it comes to borders and immigration.

Blogger DonReynolds August 14, 2018 9:00 PM  

If a person has not already decided they need a firearm (and the practice necessary to become proficient), I always tell them not to bother. They are only going to donate a brand new firearm (and ammo) to the enemy. It would be better if they had no firearm than to fork it over when the excitement starts.

Every person cannot become a shooter, even if they had the money and the time. Some cannot see well enough to shoot. Some have poor hand-eye coordination. And a good many people simply do not have the stomach for shooting other people, under any situation. So I never push people to buy a gun.

When the excitement starts, there will be no shortage of firearms...they will be laying on the ground everywhere you go. Just pull the dead off and pick one. Civilian, military, law enforcement, and bandits will all have firearms.

Blogger Matt August 14, 2018 9:00 PM  

Damn those Birminghamians

Blogger tweell August 14, 2018 9:12 PM  

Alas, I recently lost all of my firearms in a freak canoeing accident. :(

If you live where it is difficult to keep proficient or need to keep costs down, I recommend AirSoft as a substitute. You can set up indoor targets and it's quiet. AirSoft isn't the real thing, but it's better than nothing.

Blogger Angantyr August 14, 2018 9:17 PM  

@5
"Two posts today about Islamists attacking cyclists. What did Mohammed have against the wheel?"

Well, given their Stone Age beliefs, I expect the look at any technology more advanced than "fire" and conclude it is witchcraft, and react accordingly...

Blogger The Lab Manager August 14, 2018 9:23 PM  

I would like an open border libertardian to come forward and tell us how it's aggression not to let turd world trash into a country. Heck, even Muslim countries don't let in huge numbers of other Muslims.

Blogger Sherwood family August 14, 2018 9:33 PM  

Islam and Muslim immigration are like opportunistic diseases that normally would not be a problem except in the case of an autoimmune disorder. If you have full blown AIDS the common cold is a serious issue. If you have a robust immune system not so much. You have to kill the cold virus for sure but the bigger issue is dealing with why the immune system is compromised. Deal with the compromised immune system and the virus will be taken care of.

Blogger John Best August 14, 2018 9:36 PM  

Every last one has to go back. People need to form local defence associations like I have done in my area.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel August 14, 2018 10:07 PM  

Gonna grow out my pancho villa mustache & wear some bandoliers. Vox’s grandfather, pray for us.

Blogger OneWingedShark August 14, 2018 10:13 PM  

dvdivx wrote:Guns aren't going to help when you when you have lunatic judges letting terrorist and rapist go free like the Muslims in New Mexico and in the UK. The state, the elite, the media and the tech giants have all declared war.
Who do you think's going to die when things go hot? The judge that ruined average-joe's life by nullifying the prenup and declaring he can never see his kids again, or the crazy furry down the street? (One may be ridiculous, but the other destroyes lives, wrapping up his pronouncements as "justice" and is actively destroying society.)

Ryan G wrote:@DonReynolds: It's not "how many", it's a question of "who". If muzzies started killing politicians en masse, or routinely attacking their family members, THEN we'd see a response.
That's kinda what happened with our Tea Party in Boston: dress up as savages and destroy $1.7M of tea. -- Pocketbook, social-standing/prestige, comfortable living, and even lives: when the war goes hot, all of these become targets.

John Best wrote:Every last one has to go back. People need to form local defence associations like I have done in my area.
Ironically the whole "30-year old moving back in with his parents" may be a good thing seen in this light. And it's worth noting that the nuclear family is really quite new, prior to which was the traditional family: which were commonly multigenerational households.

Blogger pyrrhus August 14, 2018 10:26 PM  

"Alas, I recently lost all of my firearms in a freak canoeing accident. :("

How fortunate, no firearm registration for you!

Blogger Bobiojimbo August 14, 2018 10:31 PM  

I'd also recommend armor, and there are affordable options out there.

@1 - Ain't that the truth! If you do only buy 1 gun, make it a rifle.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 14, 2018 11:02 PM  

dvdivx wrote:Guns aren't going to help when you when you have lunatic judges letting terrorist and rapist go free like the Muslims in New Mexico and in the UK. The state, the elite, the media and the tech giants have all declared war.

If guns aren't optimal, there are also old tires and cans of petrol.

Bobiojimbo wrote:If you do only buy 1 gun, make it a rifle.

Buy whatever the hunters use in your neck of the woods. Nowadays, that's likely to be an AR-10 or AR-15. I settled on FALs, but I don't have just one gun.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 14, 2018 11:03 PM  

That scene from Fifth Element, when they were removing the sarcophagus from the pyramid, the alien says "War is coming". This was before the first world war. That scene always stuck in my mind.
And BTW I have trained over 1000 people in the use of small arms and tactics. Because it's more than just a feeling.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 14, 2018 11:06 PM  

Don't forget spare parts and the knowledge of how to replace them. Know your platform and what you're likely to have trouble with.

Blogger widlast washere August 14, 2018 11:15 PM  

If you are going to be serious about it - nothing trumps a firearm. Rifle for medium to long range, shotgun for general defense. Pistols have the virtue of being concealable. As said above, there is no such thing as too much ammo. On the medieval side - recurve bow, ammo can be hand made, same with crossbow. Slingshot - dirt cheap, takes a little practice but can be lethal. Edged weapons take more practice but have the virtue of never needing to be reloaded.

Blogger Triumph of Rome August 14, 2018 11:41 PM  

A Frenchman advocates genociding the English who could have predicted this?

Without the English whose cattle are we Scots supposed to steal?

Blogger Phillip George August 14, 2018 11:43 PM  

"We the people" was written in English and signed by British heirs.

There wasn't one Musselman.

Their 'we' is not my 'we'. It just ain't possible.

There is no way out of this: The Bible and the Koran make mutually exclusive claims.

One could be right or they both could be wrong; but they both cannot be right....

Pick a side or be sidelined forever.

Truth and lies have never been at peace.

Blogger Tupla-J August 14, 2018 11:58 PM  

Answering to a banned troll is a pretty good way to get one's comments stuck in the "waiting for approval" pile.

Blogger Gen. Kong August 15, 2018 12:19 AM  

That nice Latin motto applies to all members of the badge-gang (who will carry out elite orders to protect invaders) as well as to any who support illegitimate treasonous regimes. YT is not going to be permitted to vote his way out of the final solution planned by the (((Globopedo elite))). Humpty-Dumpty has to be the overall objective here (all the bankstas' horses and all the bankstas' men couldn't put poor Humpty together again). St. Breivik of Utoya had things in the correct order. If your ship is leaking, liquidate the ones drilling the holes first.

Blogger John Best August 15, 2018 12:31 AM  

@33. Yeah I know, the House Societal structure. Though multigenerational houses holds weren't really the case, what would happen is the families of a newly married pairing would build a new house for them. Like where I live Cumberland, my house was built for someones grandmother to live in. That is how society will return to after the globalism and collective-individualist societal structure has been swept away by the underlying socio-economic trend. The House societal structure is much healthier for people, you are schooled by your entire house (extended family), you get setup marriages with other houses and it is much better socialization than being forced to state schools, day care, having 'friends' in school to survive. I have actually house schooling my nephew, his mother tried going back to work but now she doesn't want to do that. Globalism and collective-individual are a disgusting and chaotic way to live, no wonder there are school shooters and more violence.

Blogger John Best August 15, 2018 12:41 AM  

@39 another pedophile enabler.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope August 15, 2018 12:46 AM  

How come no one condemns Ford Motor Company for making and marketing the Fiesta? It is obviously more dangerous than most firearms, look at how many got hurt by one untrained Sudanese!

Ironic that he wasn't stopped by firearms or a heroic bystander, but by his poor driving skills and running into a stationary set of pillars.

Blogger dvdivx August 15, 2018 12:53 AM  

The problem is what are you going to fight. An AR-15 against the US military and police? Guns are great for fighting home intruders less so for insurrections unless the police and military switch sides against the deep state. There is no shortage of examples from Ruby Ridge to the standoff in Oregon of the feds killing unarmed children and women with snipers if needed. Getting rid of the deep state just isn't going to happen at once because they will slowly get rid of more and more rights unless they are fired from anything having any power. Large scale insurrections realistically ended with the civil war. After that the fed grew like cancer.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 15, 2018 1:05 AM  

"An AR-15 against the US military and police?"

If they're so useless, why do you think the US military still uses them?

Blogger Sherwood family August 15, 2018 1:42 AM  

Dvdix, an AR-15 is perfectly suited to taking on the US military and police. I suppose you could use an old Enfield or Henry-Martini rifle against the US army like the Taliban does but it might be easier to use something that is compatible with the ammo you would be stealing off of dead soldiers anyway since it is easier to keep supplied that way but whatever works for you.

4GW Handbook, man. You are not lining up in serried ranks like in a Napoleonic battle. You are using your weapons to take pot shots against targets of opportunity in a way that allows you to win at the moral level of war. An AR-15 is perfectly suited to that.

The Deep State cannot govern what it can't hold. Who is going to enforce their will? If your sheriff gets a note placed under the windshield wiper of his car that has pictures of his kids playing outside at recess how eager do you think he will be to enforce the will of the Deep State against his friends and neighbors?

You ever hear of malicious compliance or Irish democracy? Those are also tools.

Blogger Sherwood family August 15, 2018 1:53 AM  

A great example of 4GW style actions are those detailed in the case of Ken McElroy of Skidmore, Missouri. Both McElroy's actions and those of the town that killed him at long last give you an idea of how you can make things a real nuisance for representatives of the state with a modicum of effort.

Blogger Shimshon August 15, 2018 2:01 AM  

"An AR-15 against the US military and police?"

Who says that they're going to be the enemy? Or, rather, who says that ALL police and ALL military will be the enemy. They are just as likely to split into factions as the population as a whole.

Blogger bobby August 15, 2018 2:05 AM  

"At this point the English deserve to be wiped out. They voted for Brexit to eliminate migration of white western Europeans so that they could import more people from the third world."

Oh, yeah, I remember that being a HUGE part of why they voted for Brexit.

Yeah, that was sarcasm. Actually, they voted for Brexit to keep out the French now that the French are all Muslim.

Blogger SmokeyJoe August 15, 2018 2:49 AM  

BAH! Less talk! More shooting! Let the 'eggheads' come up with a good solution. If we like, fine. If not, keep shooting. ;-)

Blogger Harambe August 15, 2018 2:59 AM  

If guns didn't work, the British government wouldn't have banned them before importing the cultural and racial replacements.

Also, handguns are the hardest to become competent with so spend most of your money on learning to use those.

Blogger Ron August 15, 2018 3:18 AM  

two men were hiking in the jungle. Suddenly, they saw a t-Rex charging at them. The first guy turned to run, took a few steps, then noticed his friend wasn’t with him, he looked back and saw his friend calmly tying his shoelaces tight.

“What are you doing?” The man cried out to his friend, that tree is almost upon us

His friend got up and said “I don’t have to outrun the t-Rex, I just have to outrun you”

Don’t rely on that scenario.

Blogger Unknown August 15, 2018 4:01 AM  

"An AR-15 against the US military and police?"

Every base on US soil except for a few is surrounded on at least 3 sides by civilian neighborhoods. Well over half the people who work on base live outside the fence. Many airbases have clear lines of sight to the flight lines.

If the 2nd Civil War gets froggy, most of those bases become open air prisons as they are engaged from outside the fence by precision rifle fire, up to and including .50 BMG rifle fire from civilian owned Barrets.

No, the US Military will be a profoundly broken and much smaller instrument of oppression than everyone thinks they will be.

The civilian police will be in even worse shape. They live and work inside what is essentially an insurgency. Most will show up to work, but when their families are threatened, most of them will not show up.

I haven't even gotten into the extreme difference in sheer manpower. Know how many people nation wide get deer hunting tags every year? At least five times the number of all police and military personnel combined.

Blogger Harambe August 15, 2018 4:43 AM  

Why is every SJW masturbating to the idea that the military will fire on civilians? They don't even do that in Afghanistan

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 5:26 AM  

The problem is what are you going to fight. An AR-15 against the US military and police?

The US military has been losing for 17 years to considerably fewer, less well-armed civilians in Afghanistan. And those civilians don't have easy access to them.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 15, 2018 6:10 AM  

Daily Mail, as the UK's "conservative" (neocon) tabloid, at least uses the word "immigrant."

Security Minister Ben Wallace describes terror suspect "He's a British citizen who came from another country originally."

https://vdare.com/posts/latest-car-of-peace-attack-in-england-conducted-apparently-by-sudanese-muslim-not-midlands-resident

BBC, PuffHo, etc. echoed this officially-promoted linguistic contortion. They're abusing the English language here, and it sounds kind of idiotic -- but it's not, really. The propaganda objectives are to:
1. Get the words "British citizen" in there first, and
2. Preserve the positive connotations of the word "immigrant" -- which must u never be used in any negative context.

Associative conditioning -- it's a thing. And it works.

Blogger Blaidd August 15, 2018 6:36 AM  

Harambe wrote:handguns are the hardest to become competent with

They're also the least effective weapon for combat. The advantage of the handgun is portability and concealability. They're for self-defense and a last resort in a firefight. If you find yourself in handgun range against state forces, you've made a serious mistake somewhere along the way.

Get a rifle. Learn it forwards, back and inside out. Most importantly, get shots down range in as many conditions as you can so when you have to use it for real, you have at least some idea what to expect.

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 15, 2018 7:28 AM  

Sherwood family wrote:A great example of 4GW style actions are those detailed in the case of Ken McElroy of Skidmore, Missouri.

The thing that really stands out as I looked at that story is the total impotence of law enforcement and the "justice" system over such a long time. Where the hell was the sheriff? I mean really, it was one guy, not a whole gang.

One thing is for sure, someone should have taken that guy out a long time before his eventual demise. I know, easier said than done. But good grief.

Blogger Purge187 August 15, 2018 8:00 AM  

@15 - I think nothing short of a dirty bomb being detonated in a major European or American city will wake people up. And I think it's only a matter of time.

Blogger Sherwood family August 15, 2018 8:23 AM  

Exactly. McElroy scared everyone because he was not afraid to back up his threats. People knew he would do what he said. So they backed off. Including law enforcement. Which is why the town finally had to do what needed to be done. If the state shows itself incapable of protecting you then the raison d'etre of the state is invalidated. At that point it is up to the community to take care of this kind of thing. Which Skidmore did. And then they made sure no one suffered for risking their neck to do the right thing when the state in its impotent arrogance showed up demanding "justice" when all the hard work had been done.

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 15, 2018 8:45 AM  

Sherwood family wrote:Which is why the town finally had to do what needed to be done.

A good sniper would have been the best option, it seems to me; many years before they finally took the route they did.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman August 15, 2018 8:47 AM  

"Buy whatever the hunters use in your neck of the woods. Nowadays, that's likely to be an AR-10 or AR-15. I settled on FALs, but I don't have just one gun.'

Seriously ? No one I know uses an AR10 or AR15 for hunting....and Ive hunted and lived in the rural north my whole life. They are totally impractical for deep woods hunting. My closest friends all use either 30-06, 30-30, 270..all with peep sites...no scopes. Personally, I prefer a Remington 870 12 GA, with slugs. Although you don't get long shots with it..its easy to get a fatal shot - which eliminates having to track a wounded deer.
AR 10 and 15 hold a purpose ..just not for hunting.

Blogger Solon August 15, 2018 11:11 AM  

I'd be ok with NYC or DC getting dirty bombed, well, at least, more ok than other cities. I'm not close enough to the blast radius and the wind conditions will take the fallout to sea. None of my people live in either of those locales, and I'm not going to shed any tears over the mostly foreigners, Jews, and banksters that do live there.

If only TGE didn't live in NYC, it'd be perfect. Well, not perfect: there will be good people caught in the death storm too. But hey, it's war, you have to expect casualties.

Blogger Solon August 15, 2018 11:15 AM  

ARs have a specific purpose: large clips for target rich environments. Useless for hunting deer. Much better for hunting traitors and corrupt enemies of the state in an urban or semi-urban setting.

Why do you think all the school shooting hullabaloo in March focused on assault rifles? They don't want the population able to defend themselves adequately if the elites want to militarily suppress then.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 August 15, 2018 11:27 AM  

Not sure which is more odious: the muslim driving over people.. or the repulsive fiesta he was driving. What a piece of junk!

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 15, 2018 12:06 PM  

A .223 is perfectly adequate to kill a deer. I've seen several white tails taken with .222 which has even less power. Several of those fell within a few feet of where they were standing when hit.

On the other hand I've seen a deer get hit in the heart with a 30-06 and then run 75 yards.

Blogger Blaidd August 15, 2018 1:00 PM  

Solon wrote:Useless for hunting deer.

Fudd nonsense. This may have been true 50 years ago but today's bullets and powder loads are more than up to the task of taking down a deer, especially at the <300 yd ranges you can expect outside the plains states.

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Blogger Sardaukar August 15, 2018 1:42 PM  

Some good comments about firearms and being able to defend you & yours. Another manual to pick up other than the 4G warfare is Total Resistance - Swiss Army Guide to Guerrilla Warfare and Underground Operations. I remember seeing copies of these in various barracks I was stationed. Although it was written regarding fighting in Switzerland, much of the info is relevant in any country. You can download a copy here: https://www.survivalmonkey.com/resources/total-resistance-swiss-army-guide-to-guerrilla-warfare-and-underground-operations.88/.

Blogger chronoblip August 15, 2018 1:47 PM  

Welsh Woodsman wrote:Seriously ? No one I know uses an AR10 or AR15 for hunting....and Ive hunted and lived in the rural north my whole life. They are totally impractical for deep woods hunting. My closest friends all use either 30-06, 30-30, 270..all with peep sites...no scopes. Personally, I prefer a Remington 870 12 GA, with slugs. Although you don't get long shots with it..its easy to get a fatal shot - which eliminates having to track a wounded deer.

AR 10 and 15 hold a purpose ..just not for hunting.


What you're seeing is a combination of "popular = good" and "Generals always fight the last war", both byproducts of a culture which has been sliding into r-selection for a long time. When we lose selective pressures, we don't learn from mistakes, we'll instead double down on why the prior strategies would have worked if not for those meddling kids.

For an unrelated example of this phenomenon, look at why Scalzi tries to make himself appear more popular than our host, citing past book sales or web traffic or social media presence, as if that mattered when evaluating his capacity to write today. Or at how people talked about being "ratioed" on Twitter. Social manipulation games are all that some folks can summon the skill to play.

The AR platform was designed for 2GW, state vs. state, where "spray and pray" was the MO, fed by very healthy supply lines, because nobody wanted to stick their heads out of a trench, or around a corner, long enough to aim a single lethal shot. Look at what happened right out of the gate in Vietnam, and the design changes that followed. Doubling down. Look at the F-35. Doubled down how many times on that "do everything poorly" design?

4GW isn't won by those with the most bullets, or even those with the most willingness or skill in using them, if one can grasp the differences between "Operation Goliath" and "Operation David" as discussed in the 4GW Handbook.

People expecting a Fallujah or Zagreb here in the states are likely preparing for the "last war", not what we'll actually experience.

Noah B The Savage Gardener wrote:A .223 is perfectly adequate to kill a deer. I've seen several white tails taken with .222 which has even less power. Several of those fell within a few feet of where they were standing when hit.

On the other hand I've seen a deer get hit in the heart with a 30-06 and then run 75 yards.


.22LR can kill a deer too, that's not the point. The 5.56NATO/.223REM was not developed for "effectiveness of individual aimed shots", but controlled automatic fire. That's why hunting with the 5.56NATO/.223REM is illegal in certain states, because it's not able to reliably drop an animal, reliably being the key word, given MPAI.

Add in that most folks' AR isn't also set up for automatic fire either, they're already sitting at two strikes when it comes to hunting.

But the parallels between rationalizations about why the 5.56NATO/.223REM is better than it really is and a CivNat declaring "Not All Immigrants" because of the one they sleep with every night is probably nothing to be worried about, right?

People wouldn't try to justify something inferior, ignoring facts and data, wanting exceptions based on anecdotes, because otherwise it might reflect poorly on them, right?

Blogger Angantyr August 15, 2018 2:18 PM  

@73
You do realize that the AR-10 platform is chambered in .308/7.62 NATO, yes? I believe that is considered at least adequate for hunting even most big game, correct?

Also, you do know that AR-15 lowers can be home manufactured without a paper trail and handle a variety of uppers in various calibers, right?

Blogger OldFan August 15, 2018 2:44 PM  

One week after a gunfight nobody remembers the caliber of the bullet, the size of the magazine, or the type of sights you had.

All that matters is who was still standing when it was over. That outcome is 90% driven by training and only 10% by gear.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 15, 2018 2:49 PM  

I knew a little old Athabaskan woman who told me how to kill a moose with a 22 long rifle, and the 1953 world record grizzly was taken with a 22 long. Still, I don't recommend trying that.

If you must have just one gun, buy what the hunters in your area carry, then buy cases and cases of ammunition for it, then practice, practice, practice.

If the hunters in your area use bolt rifles in 30-06, you will be well armed. Consider getting a sporterized Springfield 03A3. It's a stout battle rifle that's set up to reload from stripper clips.

If you do wind up with an FAL or AR or AK or some such that uses a detachable magazine, get lots of magazines, too. Also, keep any ammunition not in magazines on stripper clips.

Blogger Peter Gent August 15, 2018 2:55 PM  

Noah B The Savage Gardener wrote:A .223 is perfectly adequate to kill a deer. I've seen several white tails taken with .222 which has even less power. Several of those fell within a few feet of where they were standing when hit.

On the other hand I've seen a deer get hit in the heart with a 30-06 and then run 75 yards.

Poachers have long used silenced .22LR to take deer. A shot to the head takes them right down. As a matter of fact, no one gets up from a .22 to the head, as the bullet never leaves the skull as it bounces around the brain. A good silenced semi-auto .22 with the skill to to headshots out to 100 yards is about as lethal as it gets.

Blogger Peter Gent August 15, 2018 2:57 PM  

Oh, and for those wearing vests or whatever, that is what my 45/70s are for.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 16, 2018 4:43 AM  

@73
The .223 is not inferior to larger caliber rifle cartridges. .223 is lighter, cheaper, easier to find, and has much less recoil than any of them. Those are all significant advantages for the .223 by any rational metric. And most states that allow deer hunting with center fire rifle cartridges also allow .223 to be used.

This is far beyond anecdote or theoretical possibility; .222 and .223 are widely used for deer hunting and are adequate to bring down deer quickly with proper load selection and shot placement. If you claim otherwise then you're clearly ignorant on this subject.

Blogger Blaidd August 16, 2018 7:53 AM  

Angantyr wrote:You do realize that the AR-10 platform is chambered in .308/7.62 NATO, yes? I believe that is considered at least adequate for hunting even most big game, correct?

Correct. It's also just as accurate and packs just as much punch as .30-06 while having a smaller cartridge. .308 is also cheaper and there's more of it.

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