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Wednesday, August 15, 2018

Strike one, strike two...

I'm sorry, but I simply can't find the energy to pretend to be either surprised or outraged when SJWs do what SJWs do whenever they have amenable authorities to whom they can appeal. It isn't as if we haven't been amply warned, after all. Stefan Molyneux is the latest target:
Within 24 hours, my @YouTube channel has received two community guidelines strikes - likely as a result of a mass flagging campaign - and is now on the verge of total deletion. Please respectfully contact @TeamYouTube and alert them to this injustice.
Team YouTube is not concerned with justice. Team YouTube is concerned with victory. This is why the Right has to build its own platforms. The bigger and more successful you are, the more the Left wants you off their platforms, regardless of what you have done or not done. No amount of rhetoric and emotional pleading is going to dissuade them.
Almost immediately after returning from a speaking tour of Australia and New Zealand, and after getting my final all-clear cancer checkup, the YouTube strikes against Freedomain Radio - the world's most popular philosophy show - began.

Apparently, I had "violated community standards" by publishing a short video last year entitled "The Death of White Males," which discussed the decline in life expectancy for white males, in part due to the opioid crisis.

The next day, Wednesday, I awoke to another strike, this time for a discussion I had with UK journalist Katie Hopkins. Now, as I write this, two other Freedomain Radio videos have been set to 'Private' by YouTube and locked. One was called "What Pisses Me Off About the YouTube Child Sex Scandal," and the other was a chat I had with Tom Golden, a psychotherapist and the author of "Helping Mothers be Closer to Their Sons: Understanding the Unique World of Boys" and "The Way Men Heal."

I have poured 12 years of my life into my YouTube channel, with thousands of videos, hundreds of thousands of subscribers, and hundreds of millions of views. In particular, I am proud of promoting Peaceful Parenting, convincing countless parents to stop hitting their children, and start negotiating instead.

As it stands, I am unable to publish to YouTube for two weeks. Today my channel hangs by a thread and could be destroyed at any moment. Whether it survives is not up to me, since I have always striven to tell the truth. The future of philosophy is now up to YouTube, and it is up to you.

You can help me, Freedomain Radio, philosophy and the world by letting YouTube know what you think. Please do so firmly, politely and respectfully by contacting @TeamYouTube.

This is a time for community action. YouTube is making a terrible mistake, but it's not too late to save philosophy. Please act now - tomorrow may be too late.
If the future of philosophy is up to YouTube, then philosophy is dead. Cerno is right.
Big channels with massive videos are under target. It never stops with Alex and it won't stop with Stefan. People are going to start flagging left wing channels, too. The new form of communication in America isn't sharing ideas, it's spending time shutting down others.
Warning the Left about consequences never being the same has never worked. The answer is the same as it was in 2015: build your own platforms and keep the SJWs out. That's why the Darkstream and Voxiversity are both available on BitChute.

This is why the big guns of the Right should have been participating in building up the alternative institutions rather than focusing on expanding their reach on compromised platforms.

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116 Comments:

Blogger Zaklog the Great August 15, 2018 4:06 PM  

In Molyneux’s defense, he was not entirely unprepared. His channel is (at least partially) backed up on BitChute. That said, YouTube is still several orders of magnitude larger than BitChute, so losing his YT channel would be a significant blow to Molyneux.

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 4:09 PM  

In Molyneux’s defense, he was not entirely unprepared. His channel is (at least partially) backed up on BitChute.

Stefan is smarter than most. He's also more given to enlightened self-interest. But he's got the same inclination that most on the Right do, which is the lack of interest in using one's position to support infrastructure of no immediate benefit to oneself.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 4:13 PM  

Pissed me off when I heard about this an hour ago. I'm willing to bet they'd planned this to coincide with a predicted Unite the Right 2 disaster. The rally came, the Right passed through without being accused of murder this time, so they decided to cancel Molyneux anyway.

That's my guess.

Blogger Miguel August 15, 2018 4:17 PM  

After the VidMe incident, I am tiptoeing around, not sure where to camp. But BitChute serms cool.

Blogger Ferdinand August 15, 2018 4:23 PM  

Maybe the right should start mass flagging leftist channels. It would probably do more go pressure YouTube than warning them that consequences for the left will never be the same.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 15, 2018 4:24 PM  

That twitter idiot ceo needs to ban Trump, then maybe The GE and his admin will follow Karl D's advice to put those fecal drops from big social media in the big house where they belong.

Blogger Patrick Kelly August 15, 2018 4:30 PM  

Hear all the calls for "someone to do something" or "these companies are subsidized by and collude with gov't therefore they shouldn't be considered private therefore muh free speech".

If only someone, somewhere could have predicted this and start building alternatives. /s

Hopefully this accelerates and lubricates more journeys along the red pill road.

Blogger Tendies4Lyfe August 15, 2018 4:35 PM  

Host your own site. Upload videos to both YouTube and your own site. Plug your site nonstop. You're a moron if you ONLY upload to YouTube.

Blogger Jay in DC August 15, 2018 4:38 PM  

"Maybe the right should start mass flagging leftist channels. It would probably do more go pressure YouTube than warning them that consequences for the left will never be the same."

Why don't people get it? These types of comments are so incredibly puzzling to me.

Let me present some analogies for you:

"Maybe the Tsarists should start flagging the Bolsheviks channels. It would pressure the..."

"Maybe the East Germans should start flagging the Stasi. It would pressure the..."

"Maybe the Four Olds Chinese should start flagging the Maoist Red Guards. It would pressure the..."

We are at fucking WAR. Do you not compute this? Is this that gamma sperg thing that seems to hang like a cloud over this place in spite of Vox's repeated efforts to purge it thoroughly? Or just people afraid of the harsh reality or too naive to understand it. Does. Not. Compute.

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas August 15, 2018 4:52 PM  

Happy to hear that Stefan beat cancer. God bless.

Blogger Dave August 15, 2018 4:52 PM  

The Stefan & Lauren Southern tour stop in Australia was recently shut down, but he's still in denial re compromised platforms.

Blogger electricsheeple August 15, 2018 4:54 PM  

If I were Bitchute I'd give Alex Jones 20% stock and Stefan 10% stock and ask them to use and promote Bitchute, and load up as many users as I could.

Where those 2 go is where everyone will follow (creators and watchers).

Blogger tz August 15, 2018 4:56 PM  

Enlightened self-interest meets Aesop's Frog and Scorpion.

The other side of the problem:

Men of violence will pledge their blood, sweat, and tears, time, talent, and treasure, lives, fortunes, and sacred honor to fight and get hurt, maimed, or even die for liberty. Mixing the broken bodies and blood and graves with the land gives one a Lockean prior claim to merely planting a vegetable garden.

Taxation is rent and not theft. The Libertarians seem to thing saying "Thank You for being so altruistic, and although we didn't lift a finger, didn't contribute one dime, and took zero risks when the tyrannical hordes came and many of you died or were bankrupted in the battle, we still assert we still have allodial title and OWE YOU NOTHING although we would be dead or slaves except for your actions".

Blogger tz August 15, 2018 4:56 PM  

We Chute Back!

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 5:02 PM  

Can BitChute be trusted?

Blogger Neutrinoide August 15, 2018 5:06 PM  

For all the things I disagree with you. That is the one I'm not disagreeing. In fact,in the lat 2 year I'm preparing a big project that will help creating our own institution and infrabstructure to fight this war. Evwrytime I see a right wing personality whinning about how unfair is youtube or social blahblah. I want to puke. Shut up and build the alt nation.

Blogger allyn71 August 15, 2018 5:06 PM  

Somehow Benny and Jordan seem to be doing just fine in this ongoing purge environment. Seems like an odd coincidence.

Blogger Neutrinoide August 15, 2018 5:08 PM  

Note to self. Stop writing with cellphone after drinking a pint of beer.

Blogger InformationMerchant August 15, 2018 5:09 PM  

He put his stuff on almost everything he could find, including the doomed Vidme. He has his own site.

I remember downloading almost all of his Youtube interviews playlist that was available in the EU 18 months or so ago because I figured this'd happen. The problem is he has so much stuff on youtube that downloading everything isn't an option unless you have a week to dedicate to it and $100 to buy storage for it.

He was as prepared for this as possible and even is trying to get people to push back before he is banned rather than after, but there's no much he could do.

He plugs alternative video sites but as you've pointed out, Youtube takes a massive hit to run.

(That said, Bitchute has been great since it came into being (although they did have some buffering issues for a bit) and OneWay is quite nice to use (but the guy isn't doing that well for money yet, hopefully he gets campaigns up and running because he's working for peanuts with massive costs as it stands)).

Blogger Mr. Deficient August 15, 2018 5:14 PM  

Stefans model of entirely donor based and having all his recordings be audio available for free from his site as well the vast majority of his books makes him fairly robust, if not anti fragile individually.

Not only, as Vox pointed out, that Stefan and other members of the right are not inclined to help build institutions, but Stefan has a very extensive back ground in software development and business. There are few on the right more in a position to help build a platform.

Vox has had success with funding for his different avenues of disruption, imagine how much support Stefan could get with his large audience? Especially considering his network. The guy has had everyone on from Jordan Peterson to Elliot Hulse to Voxday.

Blogger tz August 15, 2018 5:14 PM  

UPDATE - YouTube removed the two strikes, so now Molyneux can generate ad revenue and panopticon tracking of his viewers again.

Blogger tz August 15, 2018 5:15 PM  

@20, neither apply to "The Art of the Argument". It's only available in DRM form.

Blogger tz August 15, 2018 5:18 PM  

@18 - most of my posts are after at least a quart if not more of beer, but I do have a physical keyboard. And I think I rolled higher on constitution than I did on intelligence.

Blogger Looking Glass August 15, 2018 5:23 PM  

"Points of Failure" analysis is going to be an important lesson for a lot of people.

There's a few groups with basic CDNs out there, which anyone serious on any Video platform should be at least hosting backup copies on.

Related, but Robert Spencer of JihadWatch got taken off Patreon because someone pushed MasterCard to remove him on Patreon itself.

https://twitter.com/jihadwatchRS/status/1029830358957735938

To borrow from Ivan Throne, investments in stakes, wood products & petroleum are going to be big.

Blogger tz August 15, 2018 5:27 PM  

Meanwhile, ROBERT Spencer was deplatformed from Patrion, who blamed MasterCard
He hasn't been restored.

Blogger Cecil Henry August 15, 2018 5:27 PM  

This is the issue and the agenda. The MSM has stated it in shockingly obvious terms:

Free speech is only what the left likes.


“The stripping of InfoWars from Facebook, Apple and other platforms is an important step in the recognition of nativist, nationalist and white supremacist hate speech as a form of terrorism.” [We need to talk about Alex Jones, CNN, August 10, 2018.

Blogger tz August 15, 2018 5:28 PM  

@24 - Stakes. High stakes. Like those used to impale.

Blogger Zwiebel August 15, 2018 5:29 PM  

Of course you should. Not only that. I report any leftist that calls me or mine racist, Nazi, wtevr, is rude, or just being a general asshat.

Not that they get banned, of course, because double standard, it just gives them more to do, drives up the cost of controlling us, etc.

Blogger Nate August 15, 2018 5:36 PM  

Freedom of association is good.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 15, 2018 5:39 PM  

Warning the Left about consequences never being the same has never worked.

True but it is funny as hell to watch when it finally happens.

WorldCon has been a barrel of laughs for me this year.

Although it is instructive to note that the first thing Scalzi did when his toes got singed was to turn around and attack the Right...for playing by the Left's rules.

They can't even learn from experience, let alone foresee the consequences of their own actions.

Those that are oblivious, will remain oblivious.

Maybe there are one or two brainwashing victims out there who could potentially be salvaged but at this point it makes more sense to write them off as "acceptable loses," than to expend our somewhat limited resources trying to save them.

Blogger Clint August 15, 2018 5:39 PM  

Has anyone tried using Real.Video? I have watched a few videos there, but not really dug into it much. I know Info Wars is over there now.

Blogger elad sputnik August 15, 2018 5:43 PM  

The guy is using Bitchute to beg people to ask Youtube to let him back in without even a plug for support. Still not getting it.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel August 15, 2018 5:45 PM  

Robert Spencer constantly sperging out on twitter over the confusion his name caused was a welcome source of amusement for me in 2016/17

Blogger Matthew McDaniel August 15, 2018 5:46 PM  

We know that YouTube is the opposite of profitable. Why does it continue to be propped up? What purpose ?

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction August 15, 2018 5:56 PM  

Well, for whatever miniscule good it will do, I've started sending messages to youtubers on the right saying I want to watch them on Bitchute.

Blogger Crew August 15, 2018 5:59 PM  

Well, it seems YouTube has relented for now, but next time he might be done.

Molyneux needs to take steps to ensure he can survive if YouTube decides to take him down.

He needs to become anti-Fragile.

Blogger Al August 15, 2018 6:03 PM  

Molyneux is a commentator, not a true philosopher. The true philosopher Socrates, through the true philosopher Plato, laid out the true philosopher's recourse in a mad world:

“There is a very small remnant then, Adeimantus,” I said, “of those who consort worthily with philosophy, some well-born and well-bred nature, it may be, held in check by exile, and so in the absence of corrupters remaining true to philosophy, as its quality bids, or it may happen that a great soul born in a little town scorns and disregards its parochial affairs; and a small group perhaps might by natural affinity be drawn to it from other arts which they justly disdain; and the bridle of our companion Theages also might operate as a restraint. For in the case of Theages all other conditions were at hand for his backsliding from philosophy, but his sickly habit of body keeping him out of politics holds him back. My own case, the divine sign, is hardly worth mentioning—for I suppose it has happened to few or none before me. And those who have been of this little company and have tasted the sweetness and blessedness of this possession and who have also come to understand the madness of the multitude sufficiently and have seen that there is nothing, if I may say so, sound or right in any present politics, and that there is no ally with whose aid the champion of justice could escape destruction, but that he would be as a man who has fallen among wild beasts, unwilling to share their misdeeds and unable to hold out singly against the savagery of all, and that he would thus, before he could in any way benefit his friends or the state come to an untimely end without doing any good to himself or others,—for all these reasons I say the philosopher remains quiet, minds his own affair, and, as it were, standing aside under shelter of a wall in a storm and blast of dust and sleet and seeing others filled full of lawlessness, is content if in any way he may keep himself free from iniquity and unholy deeds through this life and take his departure with fair hope, serene and well content when the end comes.”

Plato, Republic 496a-e

Blogger Uncle John's Band August 15, 2018 6:04 PM  

Civnat dies hard. But the thing about dying hard is that it still dies. It's not hard to look at the various popular sites on the right and see the beginnings of a populist, nationalist replacement for the diseased carcasses of big social. It's just a glimpse and there is a ton of work to get there, but if you look at where the pendulum is going, the potential payoff is orders of magnitude beyond being big on Twitter.

Watching the sudden appearance of "new right" civnat e-celebs the last few years has seemed off. I don't have enough information to make a judgment on Neon Revolt's claims today, but that says something in itself. And if by their fruits we know them, where are they parking their traffic?

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 15, 2018 6:09 PM  

I'm happy Stefan has apparently beaten cancer, but that irrelevant reference as a ploy for sympathy was rather lame. It just kind of adds to the whiny victim character of the whole appeal.

How much would it cost to build (and maintain) the capacity to host his own videos? I don't know much about this stuff, but I've often wondered about the feasibility of doing this for big names.

Of course that doesn't allow for the exposure that being on YT brings, of course. But that's just part of the new, new world order.

Blogger John D Alden August 15, 2018 6:10 PM  

Matthew McDaniel wrote:We know that YouTube is the opposite of profitable. Why does it continue to be propped up? What purpose ?

Because as long as it's free and not intolerably annoying people will continue to use it instead of moving to alternatives or building their own platforms, and that gives Youtube power over them, both the viewers and the creators.

These Big Tech platforms were designed and built to be corrals and data farms. They suck people in with the "free service" and burn cash to keep them there, where they can be studied and manipulated in various ways.

Youtube and Twitter are not going to ban everbody they don't like as long as they're still the only real games in town. They're just going to mess with key figures, limit growth and reach of wrongthinkers, and keep people wasting time dealing with bullshit like shadowbans, short term bans, strikes, demonitization and whatnot. Why do you think Twitter has made no real effort to crack down on people who make new accounts after they get banned? They don't want those people to actually leave for good.

And, of course, occasionally they'll ban someone for real when they think it's worth trading their hold over that person for the short term disruption of their voice. But so far that has not been their preferred tactic. Maybe that will change in the next couple months, if they decide to really go all out on censorship.

Blogger Bufface August 15, 2018 6:16 PM  

I do not think alternative platforms are the answer. If they were ever successful, the left would use whatever spurious legal justification to either shut them down or sue them into oblivion.

We aren't winning this war without seizing control of the government (or seceding) and using state control to crush the left.

Blogger dvdivx August 15, 2018 6:20 PM  

The one that was the best prepared was Alex with infospace and prisonplanet but YouTube has been shutting down gun videos long before conservatives. In the case of gun videos full30.com has that nailed I only found it when hickok45 moved there.

Blogger MJ Meyers August 15, 2018 6:21 PM  

AI, Hilarious reading someone snipe at Molyneux while praising Plato, the communist, globalist philosopher, out of the same book (the Republic) advocating communism, holding wives in common, and suppression of the arts by the state. Plato, in every sense, stands for the exact opposite of everything Molyneux stands for.

Let's quote a little Aristotle instead: Book II of the Politics. cc. 1-8 Ideal Commonwealths--Plato, Phaleas, Hippodamus, "... Plato in the Republic raises the most fundamental questions. He desires to abolish private property and the family (c. 1). But the end which he has in view is wrong. He wishes to make all his citizens absolutely alike; but the differentiation of function is a law of nature. There can be too much unity in a state (c. 2). And the means by which he would promote unity are wrong. The abolition of property will produce, not remove, dissension. Communism of wives and children will destroy natural affection (c. 3.) ... The good sense of mankind has always been against Plato, and experiment would show that his idea is impracticable (c. 5)."

Blogger Unknown August 15, 2018 6:30 PM  

@41

And just how do you suppose we do that without methods of communicating with each other?

Alternative platforms outside control of the enemy is how we do that.

What happened to Robert Spencer is the most disquieting thing, IMO, because controlling credit/debit card processing is the next best thing to controlling the banks, and if the two major services decide to cut off the right, it is a long row to hoe to build a service of equal ubiquitousness.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums August 15, 2018 6:44 PM  

Not gonna lie I was pretty upset with Stefan's response to this and subsequent video about the strikes. It's absurd what he's doing. This is not the first time this has happened either. YouTube flat out deleted his entire channel out of nowhere with no strikes beforehand which is why he now has www.fdrpodcasts.com

Sure he got his channel back because it was "a mistake" but he should've seen it coming. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

And another thing. Stepehn Crowder, who's a fan of Stefan and vice-versa, figured out what had to be done. He made a business model reliable only on an internet connection. He blew past Stefan in funding and subscribers in only a fraction of the time it took Stefan to reach 800k subs. The pie is right there in front of him, I don't understand why he's not taking it.

Blogger Gloriam Deo August 15, 2018 6:49 PM  

@MJ been a while since I read it, but I am pretty sure Plato was not advocating that just constructing a couple hypothetical models for morality and governance.

Blogger Cecil Henry August 15, 2018 6:50 PM  

@45

Indeed. I don't see why more people don't just use YOutube and Twitter as simple linking sites for their major work.

That was there is nothing to get censored on Youtube but people can be drawn to where the real content is uncensored.

There is nothing unique about Youtube or Facebook now except the fact that they has large volumes of traffic.

The content can be anywhere, and that's the important part.

Blogger Al August 15, 2018 6:54 PM  

@43

Your misreading of Plato's Republic is, sadly, all too common. In the Republic, Plato is actually showing that when heaven on earth is sought, hell is the result; the hell of communism, the hell of globalism, the hell of wives in common....all this is the result of seeking to establish heaven on earth. Plato's Republic is the ultimate in irony. Alas, the many (hoi polloi) are unfit to read it, as they're prone to misread it precisely as you've done.

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 7:07 PM  

Stepehn Crowder, who's a fan of Stefan and vice-versa, figured out what had to be done. He made a business model reliable only on an internet connection. He blew past Stefan in funding and subscribers in only a fraction of the time it took Stefan to reach 800k subs.

Crowder has serious financial backers, if I recall correctly. Stefan is not dependent upon anyone but his supporters.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf August 15, 2018 7:29 PM  

Google is a publicly traded company, I'm fairly certain they do not have the legal ability to descriminate against ideology. Even provatelp owned cake shops have been forced to bake gay cakes and provide abortions pills. Not to mention minimum wage. What of minimum speech?

That aside I'm still interested to learn about Brave browser and it's BAT which seems a little like a crypto-currency.

The two advantages YouTube has for most people is the platform it very functional - though this can be replicated and improved upon. But, more importantly, is their corporate relationships and ability to sell advertising. That's not really easy to replicate. Perhaps countries like Japan could replicate something regionally. But international reach like Google has is difficult to match for people trying to earn a living.

Blogger Lance E August 15, 2018 7:34 PM  

I didn't know that Crowder had big backers, thought it was all CRTV and the "mug club". If he has other backers, then it's pretty sketchy not to disclose that in their sales pitch.

As for Stefan, he doesn't monetize his videos and has always made his content available on other platforms, so I assume his actions here are strategic, i.e. to hold out as long as possible and reach as many normies as possible before the purge is completed. But he really does need to do more to help alternative platforms grow, beyond just hosting his stuff there.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf August 15, 2018 7:37 PM  

If a "private" company wants to ban legal speech, perhaps they should be barred from engaging in federal contract work and required to repay previous government funded grants including tax exemptions?

Blogger Nathan August 15, 2018 7:41 PM  

You would think that the right would have figured this out by now, since one of the first "conservative" types that most people were aware of- Rush Limbaugh- figured this out 30 years ago. His show doesn't rely on the conventional radio advertising model, and that's what's kept him immune from the secondary boycotts and advertising pressures that get other right wingers thrown of their platforms. He gets into it a little here:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/05/20/curiosity_the_eib_business_model/amp/

Essentially he built a new platform in AM conservative talk radio, but nobody's ever been to curious about it or tried to replicate it in other media.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf August 15, 2018 7:41 PM  

Does he allow ads to run on his channel?

Blogger Zeke August 15, 2018 7:51 PM  

The fake right of course had no reason to build new platforms.

Also, as Vox has said, the genuine right, most of us, have been lazy.

People using any platform need to be backing up their product/content and need to have their own way of independently contacting users, such as an email list.

Neon originally used FB and didn't back up his content. When FB deleted his content he had to start over. He buckled up, setup his own WP blog, and continued on.

Blogger Karla Smiley August 15, 2018 7:53 PM  

We should start a counter-flagging campaign and do the same thing to 'lefty' and zionist sites.

Blogger Vlad Z. August 15, 2018 7:55 PM  

Blogger, on which this blog is hosted, is owned by Google. What's the evacuation plan?

Blogger G E August 15, 2018 7:55 PM  

If only there was someone sort of group who could start an alternative platform. If only there was a central site where like minded people could meet. If only there was a group of people who could systematically flag other websites for hate speech. Maybe an evil legion of evil, a group people would dread...

50, In response to your comment 'Even provatelp owned cake shops have been forced to bake gay cakes and provide abortions pills. Not to mention minimum wage. What of minimum speech?' .

So? The left cares nothing about fairness. Expecting anyone on the left to comply with the rule of law is simply foolish. Eric Clanton is only the latest example of that assertion. I'm an older guy and I remember the Weather Underground Organization. The motto of the left is 'Rules for thee but not for me'.

The left is the first to try and grab the power of the gun of the state and the last to comply.

Blogger tz August 15, 2018 7:59 PM  

@40
YouTube provides a platform to test AI for things like captioning and identifing things. It loses, but helps the ad cash cow that no one wants to kill using adblock.

It is a "loss leader" mitigated by all the advertisment and panopticon tracking.

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 8:00 PM  

Google is a publicly traded company, I'm fairly certain they do not have the legal ability to descriminate against ideology.

You're wrong.

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 8:03 PM  

Blogger, on which this blog is hosted, is owned by Google. What's the evacuation plan?

Do you really think you're being clever by finally noticing this? Why would I tell you? We've had multiple backup plans in place for 10 years now.

Blogger tz August 15, 2018 8:04 PM  

The reason there will never be an alternative platform until some Krystalnacht is the same reason Jews tried to be "good little Germans" instead of getting the hell out.

Molyneux is still mainly on Twitter, not Gab (whatever you think of it, nor any other place). He's on YouTube, not BitChute, and he isn't promoting them. I don't think he has ever mentioned Infogalactic.

Marx said the capitalist would sell you the rope used to hang you. He was prophetic.

Blogger tz August 15, 2018 8:07 PM  

@50
Google is a publicly traded company, I'm fairly certain they do not have the legal ability to descriminate against ideology. 


California is the only state that has politics as a protected class, but is Damore restored?

Something which is illegal is irrelevant if the law is NEVER enforced. You can have the LLoE, but it will still end up as "Bleak House".

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 8:08 PM  

If a "private" company wants to ban legal speech, perhaps they should be barred from engaging in federal contract work and required to repay previous government funded grants including tax exemptions?

Congress can't even pass a budget or a declaration of war and you're going to rely upon them to address this problem? When Google can simply buy them all off with campaign contributions?

Stop trying to play strategist. It's not in your wheelhouse.

Blogger tz August 15, 2018 8:12 PM  

@54, Molyneux doesn't monetize the channel himself, but YouTube places ads everywhere and trackers, so they profit (or mitigate losses) while he gets zilch.
Molyneux has only monetized (via Amazon/Audible DRM) The Art of the Argument.

Blogger Timmy3 August 15, 2018 8:21 PM  

They’re banning anyone with a remote tinge of right. Awful.

Blogger David The Good August 15, 2018 8:28 PM  

Cecil Henry wrote:@45

Indeed. I don't see why more people don't just use YOutube and Twitter as simple linking sites for their major work.

That was there is nothing to get censored on Youtube but people can be drawn to where the real content is uncensored.

There is nothing unique about Youtube or Facebook now except the fact that they has large volumes of traffic.

The content can be anywhere, and that's the important part.



Quite a few YouTubers, myself included, have stayed with YouTube as a primary video host because of the income from AdSense. It's tasty bait.

Blogger David The Good August 15, 2018 8:30 PM  

tz wrote:@18 - most of my posts are after at least a quart if not more of beer, but I do have a physical keyboard. And I think I rolled higher on constitution than I did on intelligence.

You rolled pretty dang high on intelligence as well, tz.

Blogger Durandel August 15, 2018 8:33 PM  

OT but related: Colorado Civil Rights Commission doubles down and goes after the Christian baker again, this time for refusing to make a cake for transgender transition.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/15/jack-phillips-sues-colorado/

When can move to hot war instead of this online civil war? There’s only one type of good Commie.

Blogger MJ Meyers August 15, 2018 8:38 PM  

AI, I'm not going to argue with you back and forth, as (1) bickering is against the policy here and (2) this is an off-topic dispute (a 2x offense). But I'll politely rebut your statement for the benefit of other readers here, because I believe it is a dangerous falsity you're putting out. The notion that the Republic was just being ironic (not in the classical sense but the modern sense) is a clever one. If it's true, Plato must have even fooled Aristotle. Why else would Aristotle criticize him repeatedly in the Politics (i.e. my quotes among others posted above)? (e.g., "The advantages to be expected from communism of property would be better secured if private property were used in a liberal spirit to relieve the wants of others. Private property makes men happier, and enables them to cultivate such virtues as generosity. The Republic makes unity the result of uniformity among the citizens, which is not the case. The good sense of mankind has always been against Plato, and experiment would show that his idea is impracticable (c. 5)."
Aristotle. Politics (Dover Thrift Editions) . Dover Publications.

Do modern scholars who make this claim have a deeper incite than even his best student, Aristotle, did? And was Plato being ironic as well when he advocated the following in his later published dialogue, the Laws (to which Aristotle notes Plato abandoned the idea of communism)?:

"It might be well if every man could come to the colony having equal property; but equality is impossible, and therefore we must avoid causes of offence by having property valued and by equalizing taxation. To this end, let us make four classes in which the citizens may be placed according to the measure of their original property, and the changes of their fortune. The greatest of evils is revolution; and this, as the law will say, is caused by extremes of poverty or wealth. The limit of poverty shall be the lot, which must not be diminished, and may be increased fivefold, but not more. He who exceeds the limit must give up the excess to the state; but if he does not, and is informed against, the surplus shall be divided between the informer and the Gods, and he shall pay a sum equal to the surplus out of his own property. All property other than the lot must be inscribed in a register, so that any disputes which arise may be easily determined."

Plato even took back this policy on holding wives and children in common (i.e. communism not just of property but of the family), but wanted a council of matrons will have regulatory power over marriages: "Now a man only succeeds when he takes pains; wherefore the bridegroom ought to take special care of the bride, and the bride of the bridegroom, at the time when their children are about to be born. And let there be a committee of matrons who shall meet every day at the temple of Eilithyia at a time fixed by the magistrates, and inform against any man or woman who does not observe the laws of married life."



Blogger losemoneyfast August 15, 2018 8:50 PM  

The darkstream channel is not found when I search for "darkstream" on Bitchute. Does this happen for anyone else? I found it with the link above, but I hope this is not some SJW funny business with Bitchute's search feature.

Blogger pyrrhus August 15, 2018 8:53 PM  

A bigger problem, if Trump doesn't act to stop it, is the denial of banking or insurance services to anyone who fails to toe the ideological line, like the NRA, or even individual gun owners.

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 8:56 PM  

Your misreading of Plato's Republic is, sadly, all too common. In the Republic, Plato is actually showing that when heaven on earth is sought, hell is the result; the hell of communism, the hell of globalism, the hell of wives in common....all this is the result of seeking to establish heaven on earth. Plato's Republic is the ultimate in irony. Alas, the many (hoi polloi) are unfit to read it, as they're prone to misread it precisely as you've done.

You are absolutely wrong, Al. You have completely misunderstood Plato, The Republic, and the entire history of the centuries-long philosophical conflict between Aristotle and Plato.

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 8:57 PM  

The darkstream channel is not found when I search for "darkstream" on Bitchute.

Use the link on the left sidebar. BitChute's search function is suboptimal.

Blogger MJ Meyers August 15, 2018 8:58 PM  

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Blogger MJ Meyers August 15, 2018 8:59 PM  

@71 I type in "Vox Day" and don't get anything but his appearances on Infowars. I get a link to his "Judeo-Christian is propaganda" video uploaded in Jan this year.

Blogger AdognamedOp August 15, 2018 9:00 PM  

Building our own platforms will help get our voice out there but wont it also give "them" a bigger target to take down? We know how they operate and the reach they have. I cant see any alternative platform competing with them.
What's wrong with using existing platforms in this fight? There's no front line in this war. We have numbers and are already in their ranks. We could piecemeal them to death if we wanted to, using their own plats.

Blogger dvdivx August 15, 2018 9:04 PM  

A Growing Number of California Detainees Are Indians Crossing Through Mexico to Seek Asylum

Mexico is the gateway now for far more than just central america. Its becoming the gateway for Africans and indians. No wall no end to H1B no end to the State department flooding "refugees" into the us means there will be no white usa anymore.

Blogger LP999-16 August 15, 2018 9:09 PM  

Stefan isn't that surprised. It is wonderful to hear good reports of health.

Utube doesn't care about children, mothers, the families or a cancer survivor or philosophy. Wake up. This isn't news but its cool b/c its more support to those banned and lied about.

Kim Kommando (tech radio host) even agreed that utube can do whatever it wants last weekend as it regards censorship. Ben, Bill O-reilly, Beck, the fake right whomever, these boring fame beggars are more than fine with utube doing this to Stefan.

Of course the staff are combing thru old videos and are more than happy with such suppression and soon removal of work from utube without any recourse for the content creator(s).

This act from utube could be linked to or induced by the SPLC's Picciolini; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezK0wJ91V5Q

This must be heard, note the tweets, who was included on them then or within the same amount of time Stefan receiving two strikes.

Stefan will be ghosted from youtube, just like Ron Gibson was for far less. Ron's sin was merely featuring all Alex Jones's shows, the 9 to noon, noon to 3pm, the sunday show, the war room, etc.

Ron is gone and who is next? Not Rogan, not "Mr. won't debate anyone Harris" and not Peterson and not Ben.

Also today at Beck's show was a "caller" talking about how much help Peterson is to his own life and how he's on the Right's side. MPAI or unable to discern or fake callers or have an agenda.

Here is the list of whats next to strike or ghost from utube:

Mike Savage - his show is mostly gone from utube along with any regular person like Ron that makes a channel linking to or uploading the last show.

At risk: Roosh who released his book at Amazon, Game.

Tom Woods and Ron Paul, their sins would be economics or current events.

Jesse Peterson and Mark Dice, their sins are a belief in Christ and current events as both men are favorable towards teh POTUS.

Also at risk will be Styx, Cerno, PJW and others.

More good people removed for nothing at utube.

However, the support and kindness to reasonable rational genxers being banned, spammed and whatever-ed only grows.

Everyone I listed at risk is their own Brand or they do their own thing but are also all Trump supporters.

Blogger John Best August 15, 2018 9:12 PM  

I just said on twitter that our people need to create our own platforms and stop using the platforms of the enemy. I get a reply saying 'good luck with that, lets all preach to the converted'. I get sick of these people, they can't understand basic reality. I say form local defence associations, charities and fraternal organizations, they prefer to talk about the Jews on twitter. I am unsure if it is because they are scared, lazy or don't see the reality. I didn't understand a lot of this a year ago, now I do because I watched Vox Day's dark streams, so I know other people can understand it.

Blogger tz August 15, 2018 9:24 PM  

@68 the problem, or the solution (of ethanol) is that I usually hold my tounge before consuming sufficient ethanol to drive 100 miles or which would render most people comatose. I actually bought a (police level) breathalyzer just to verify I have, as one coworker put it, "the liver of the gods". I was at work the next day slightly under the weather after 5 double Drambuies in 80 minutes though, so that is likely my limit ;).

I have a secondary problem where enebration tends to two things which together are problatic, one, I tend to start slurring, two, I tend to increase the number of syallables per word and end up talking like John Wright writing a legal brief since whatever governor gets faulty.

Blogger Cloudbuster August 15, 2018 9:32 PM  

$100 and a week is nothing for something that is his whole life's work.

Blogger Cloudbuster August 15, 2018 9:32 PM  

No.

Blogger Cloudbuster August 15, 2018 9:34 PM  

We know that YouTube is the opposite of profitable. Why does it continue to be propped up? What purpose ?

There is a trail of money and power. Follow it.

Blogger LP999-16 August 15, 2018 9:39 PM  

I recall viewing at oneway.com, a fun place, just this week a picture at SB's page of those whom gave up their freedom. How did it end?

Their shoes are now archived at a museum. The point is obviously well needed to understand our current era.

OT: Why was HR 5515 signed, I heard the speech only briefly. I think its important to hash out.

Blogger Gen. Kong August 15, 2018 9:40 PM  

Jay in DC wrote:
"Maybe the right should start mass flagging leftist channels. It would probably do more go pressure YouTube than warning them that consequences for the left will never be the same."

Why don't people get it? These types of comments are so incredibly puzzling to me.

Let me present some analogies for you:

"Maybe the Tsarists should start flagging the Bolsheviks channels. It would pressure the..."

"Maybe the East Germans should start flagging the Stasi. It would pressure the..."

"Maybe the Four Olds Chinese should start flagging the Maoist Red Guards. It would pressure the..."

We are at fucking WAR. Do you not compute this? Is this that gamma sperg thing that seems to hang like a cloud over this place in spite of Vox's repeated efforts to purge it thoroughly? Or just people afraid of the harsh reality or too naive to understand it. Does. Not. Compute.


So damned true. Yet so many continue even now to desperately cling to their myths and fairy-tales - from heresies and lies promoted by followers of the Judeo-Christ to the reeking hopium dens of 8-chan. Even in South Africa, where the slaughter of the remaining whites is openly discussed by the ANC and allies, most whites continue to cling to a moronic myth about some sort of "rule of law" there. It's way past time to apply the motto Caedite eos to all who support the regime there without exception both there and around the world, but they just can't bring themselves to face the hideous reality. It certainly is a war, but so far it continues to be a one-sided war.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 15, 2018 9:45 PM  

What's wrong with using existing platforms in this fight?

Using them isn't necessarily a problem. Being dependent on them is, and using them without dependending on them is tricky.

Blogger Scott August 15, 2018 9:49 PM  

Realistically there can’t be a separate set of technology necessary for the Right to be sufficiently independent from the Left’s current domination... at least not before a hot civil war begins and establishes a platform where we can physically defend the infrastructure we build as a united confederacy. Ultimately government influence controls the internet.

Blogger Patrick Kelly August 15, 2018 9:50 PM  

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Blogger Patrick Kelly August 15, 2018 9:51 PM  

Vlad Z. wrote:Blogger, on which this blog is hosted, is owned by Google. What's the evacuation plan?

First rule of fight club.

Blogger John Best August 15, 2018 10:15 PM  

@88 why must government influence control the internet? I am looking into it myself at the moment building a British Isles internet independent of the globalist state. Given what Vox has said about the internet breaking down along national rather than globalist lines.

Blogger Lurker August 15, 2018 10:20 PM  

"YouTube began as an angel-funded enterprise working from a makeshift office in a garage. In November 2005, venture firm Sequoia Capital invested an initial $3.5 million,[9] and Roelof Botha (a partner of the firm and former CFO of PayPal) joined the YouTube board of directors. In April 2006, Sequoia and Artis Capital Management invested an additional $8 million in the company, which had experienced significant growth in its first few months." - Wiki


Considering what's at stake it shouldn't be that hard to start the process from such humble beginnings again...

Blogger James Donahue August 15, 2018 10:57 PM  

Damn, just when you put down one wannabe strategist, another one pops up: No economist here, but aren't there instances where circumstances were manipulated so that a profit could be made by selling short, or by selling metals at the new higher price? So one helps history repeat itself, then buys a credit card company, or tech company.
Now I know you're thinking, sure bright-o, who will hang the bell on the cat? Ahhh, but there is one -very- sure way to see a company go down. You help them get SWJs in the HR department. Maybe throw a tantrum about some grievous insensitivity, demand that they hire better people, and -presto-.

Blogger Scott August 15, 2018 11:25 PM  

why must government influence control the internet

But it do

Blogger electricsheeple August 15, 2018 11:46 PM  

VD wrote:You are absolutely wrong, Al. You have completely misunderstood Plato, The Republic, and the entire history of the centuries-long philosophical conflict between Aristotle and Plato.

Does anyone have a link to where Vox discusses Plato's Republic (or a book title if this is referring to a book)? I'm interested in reading that.

Blogger Unknown August 16, 2018 12:06 AM  

Bit.Tube may be a solid alternative to Youtube. Blockchain technology, IPFS (distributed, peer to peer), well designed interface: https://bit.tube

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener August 16, 2018 12:27 AM  

The good news is that Youtube is going to rapidly make itself very uncool, which will destroy it. Today they're censoring gun videos and political badthink, tomorrow they'll be censoring people who tell the wrong kinds of jokes.

No brakes on the crazy train.

Blogger Factory August 16, 2018 1:19 AM  

He complains about his YouTube account, on his Twitter account...man, Stefan, wake the hell up already....

Blogger Lance E August 16, 2018 1:39 AM  

Scott wrote:Realistically there can’t be a separate set of technology necessary for the Right to be sufficiently independent from the Left’s current domination... at least not before a hot civil war begins and establishes a platform where we can physically defend the infrastructure we build as a united confederacy. Ultimately government influence controls the internet.

Government influence has had nothing whatsoever to do with any of the thousands of purges going all the way back to Milo and beyond. Wake up.

Blogger Shimshon August 16, 2018 2:30 AM  

"This is a time for community action."

Is it a surprise that (((Stefan Molyneux))) is a community organizer too?

[He says his father is Jewish, so that's good enough for )))you(((.]

Blogger Thumos August 16, 2018 2:56 AM  

Vox, are you a Platonist?

Blogger DonReynolds August 16, 2018 3:02 AM  

Until fairly recently, the internet space was a national treasure, but not because it was perfect but because it was imperfect. A rich variety that was entirely comprehensive, embracing as it did all that was good and bad, true and false, but comprehensive in it's scope and depth. It was not an echo chamber, it was a universe that represented as much of the known world that could be crammed on-line.

But recently, this polyglot of tastes has run afoul of itself....pornographic and religious, scientific and mythology, history and speculation, and the pedestrian and the profound....all mixed in the same internet space. No boundaries, no filters, no exclusivity. Anyone with a keyboard could go anywhere in the known digital universe. Freedom on display for the entire world.

Now we have people who want to claim the internet for themselves and exclude what they find offensive....not merely from their own viewing, but to ban the information itself from being known or available to everyone else.

I never had a problem with people not wanting to view pornography because they were not required to do so. The internet was like a huge library and patrons could read anything or everything they cared to. It was called Freedom. But recently, we have forces that want to make Freedom into Privilege, and that privilege subject to their own approval...whether it is political, or social, or religious, or racial, or a matter of social class. They apparently have abused their power to decide what other people are allowed to access or read. This is the challenge of our times. Whether it is possible to have a world wide web that is open and free...or whether each of 190 countries will exercise their own authority to select what they approve for the internet. Will the internet be Free or will it be controlled (improved) by every vested interest on the globe?

Blogger Harry Goldblatt MD August 16, 2018 4:38 AM  

I am backing Bitchute and I suggest that those of you with money to spare do the same thing. Unlike some other services, Bitchute relies on peer-to-peer tech to handle the load instead of having to buy server space and bandwidth for video hosting which is very expensive. It is close to being anti-fragile.

Blogger SciVo August 16, 2018 5:04 AM  

Thumos wrote:Vox, are you a Platonist?

Vox Day is an Aristotelian; contemporary examples of Platonists include Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro (who mistakes Peterson for an Aristotelian, which likely says something about both of them).

Blogger nswhorse August 16, 2018 5:08 AM  

Molyneux needs to learn from Tom Woods. Woods uses any number of platforms to get his message out, but is not dependent on any of them, because he has his own.

Blogger SciVo August 16, 2018 5:13 AM  

Sorry, one of those links got mixed up. The correct citation for Jordan Peterson as a Platonist is "An eminent person."

Blogger DangerSemiconductor August 16, 2018 8:56 AM  

MJ Meyers wrote:@71 I type in "Vox Day" and don't get anything but his appearances on Infowars. I get a link to his "Judeo-Christian is propaganda" video uploaded in Jan this year.

Try Duck Duck Go as your search engine instead.
duckduckgo.com

Blogger Unknown August 16, 2018 10:24 AM  

BitCHUTE is a beginning using torrent technology to create distributed video sharing.

But the replacement for Youtube need to be more like Bittorrent itself in that ANYONE can setup a website where the torrents are indexed and searchable. As long as the torrents are only indexed on that single site "bitCHUTE" that is a huge negative.

Blogger Scott August 16, 2018 11:03 AM  

Government influence has had nothing whatsoever to do with any of the thousands of purges going all the way back to Milo and beyond. Wake up.

Do you believe Google is not a de facto extension of the U.S. government? Do you believe SV big tech acts alone and independently from the political wing they fund?

Anonymous Anonymous August 16, 2018 11:26 AM  

@20 I noticed Pastor Anderson has mp3s on his own site (needless to saw his Youtube has been shut down). Better than nothing.

Blogger Al August 16, 2018 2:56 PM  

@MJ Meyer

I'm glad you've cited Plato's Laws, as by doing so you've proven my point. Plato's Laws is about the achievable regime; thus it moves away from his Republic, which is about showing that utopia is achievable only within individual souls. I'll send you my dissertation on all this if you like.

Blogger Al August 16, 2018 3:09 PM  

Vox Day and MJ Meyer are quite sadly confused about Plato. Those similarly confused might begin to achieve clarity by reading James V. Schall's priceless book entitled Another Sort of Learning: Selected Contrary Essays on How Finally to Acquire an Education While Still in College or Anywhere Else: Containing Some Belated Advice About How to Employ Your Leisure Time When Ultimate Questions Remain Perplexing in Spite of Your Highest Earned Academic Degree, Together with Sundry Book Lists Nowhere Else in Captivity to Be Found

Blogger Were-Puppy August 16, 2018 3:25 PM  

@31 Clint
Has anyone tried using Real.Video? I have watched a few videos there, but not really dug into it much. I know Info Wars is over there now.
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That is a site put together by the guy known as Health Ranger. From what I understand, it's just now getting up and running, it might still be beta. I checked the other day, and you have to ask for an invite to be allowed to put a channel on it.

Blogger MJ Meyers August 16, 2018 10:24 PM  

AI, inductively, you're wrong. If a guy walks into a building with a wet umbrella, we infer it's raining out. It might not be. He may have dipped it in a bucket of water before he walked in. But that hypothesis isn't terribly credible. Plato may have been trolling us with the Republic. If so, he successfully fooled even Aristotle. If Plato wrote something, and Aristotle assumed he meant what he wrote (Aristotle even discusses how Plato abandoned his advocacy of communism in the Laws), I'll take Aristotle (Plato's most famous student) over a modern academic assuming Plato was trolling us any day. The umbrella may have been dunked in a bucket of water. But I'll assume it was raining outside.

I have a draft of something I'm working on regarding Plato and Aristotle. People can read it here if they're curious: https://stratagemsoftheright.blogspot.com/2018/08/draft-from-fallen-republic-of-plato.html

Blogger Stephen J Carter August 17, 2018 1:50 AM  

All conservative YT bloggers should have a minimum of 3 other platforms where ALL their videos are hosted, plus on their own website, plus of course having a backup copy of all videos on a disk in their safe at home. Seriously. The larger your library the more important such steps are. Unlike leftards, conservatives are not naturally paranoid & thus less likely to take precautions. Bloggers' library of video titles are a vital resource that should be protected from the collectivist, censoring jackals of the left.

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