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Friday, August 10, 2018

The cyclical curse

A paper from 2007 (PDF) explains some of the negative civilizational developments that we have been observing over the last decade. And events quite clearly appear to have proven his thesis largely correct.
The Population Cycle Drives Human History – from a Eugenic Phase into a Dysgenic Phase and Eventual Collapse

by Volkmar Weiss

In the period before the onset of demographic transition from large to small families, when fertility rates were positively associated with income levels, Malthusian pressure gave an evolutionary advantage to individuals whose characteristics were positively correlated with child quality and hence higher IQ, increasing in such a way the frequency of underlying genes in the population. As the fraction of individuals of higher quality increased, technological progress intensified. Positive feedback between technological progress and the level of education reinforced the growth process, setting the stage for an industrial revolution that facilitated an endogenous take-off from the Malthusian trap. The population density rose and with it social and political friction, especially important at the top of the social pyramid. Thus, from a certain turning point of history, the well-to-do have fewer children than the poor.

Once the economic environment improves sufficiently, the evolutionary pressure weakens, and on the basis of spreading egalitarian ideology and general suffrage the quantity of people gains dominance over quality. At present, we have already reached the phase of global human capital deterioration as the necessary prerequisite for a global collapse by which the overpopulated earth will probably decimate those of mediocre IQ.
On the one hand, this will present opportunities for the cognitive elite. On the other, the downward trajectory of society and civilization is almost certainly going to increase as time goes on, IQ continues to decline, and the r/selected increasingly outnumber the K/selected. The welfare system was bad enough, but combining it with low-quality mass immigration is fatal. The longer the negative cycle persists, the more likely it is that the people of the West will eventually have to choose between utterly ruthless eugenics and total civilizational collapse.
When we look at the history of past high civilisations, it is noticeable that it was a long time before internal decay lead to final collapse (Knaul, 1985). From a certain point on there were nearly only failures. The economy stagnated and the finances of the state and of the cities fell more and more into disorder. The number of people depending on welfare rose from year to year, although each new ruler declared it an aim to lower this number. The security of the citizens was no longer guaranteed; the relationship between man and woman had likewise changed as had the relationship between young and old. The whole society seemed to be stricken by an illness and incapable of making and implementing rational and necessary decisions. Although nobody wanted the decline, the states and their inhabitants accepted policies that steered themselves into an abyss in such a way, as though they had no other goal than falling into the abyss. Today, our situation is similar.
Indeed.

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Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 10, 2018 5:59 AM  

Compare to feral cat populations. If no one feeds them, they aren't a big problem, typically.

If, on the other hand, everyone is forced to feed them (because just one or two foolish people feeding them isn't a good analogue to the present), their population explodes, with an accelerating rate that inevitably ramps nearly perpendicularly off the top of what could ever realistically be fed.

Quickly, the starving ferals adopt behaviors shocking and appalling to the foolish people who fed them... such as coordinating groups to try to kill and eat humans. Inevitably this leads to mass extermination of the ferals.

Yes, it's going to be either vicious eugenics to allow a few capable people to keep civilization, or everyone's going to share in a true dark ages of a scale to spite the mythical ones.

Blogger Lovekraft August 10, 2018 6:02 AM  

South Africa and the world's non-reaction to the genocide there is a precursor.

There is a current wild west of messages competing for dominance, with the complementary slow and steady establishment of leftist/globalist ideals in the internet media. Like VD said, a good time for those who still enjoy some measure of openness, but I imagine it's getting more and more perplexing for those without a solid fundamental grasp of history/philosophy.

Blogger Lovekraft August 10, 2018 6:03 AM  

@ Azure:

or mice:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-mouse-utopias-1960s-led-grim-predictions-humans-180954423/

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira August 10, 2018 6:30 AM  

There are too many stupid people.

Blogger Attila is my bro August 10, 2018 6:31 AM  

So The Population Bomb was right for all the wrong reasons. The vestiges of wypepo + capitalism held the predicted dates off a couple of generations.

Blogger Attila is my bro August 10, 2018 6:41 AM  

Interesting that they invoke the murder of Kitty Genovese as a parallel to the mouse utopia. I lived in Kew Gardens years ago. Of course it's a shithole filled with shitholies today, but it was not like that at all in 1964, which made the murder and bystander apathy so shocking.

Blogger Stilicho August 10, 2018 6:44 AM  

In other words, "they have to go back" becomes "they have to go".

Blogger Resident Moron™ August 10, 2018 6:55 AM  

On the political front, the rise of quality people (the much leftist-maligned middle class) favours the rise of democratic processes and thus the death of kings.

If that makes any sense then its reverse is invariably also true; the resurgence of quantity over quality signals the looming death of democracy (via suicide by stupidity) and the reign of regals.

And I, for one, welcome our new Hapsburg overlords ...

Blogger Resident Moron™ August 10, 2018 6:56 AM  

@4

That which cannot be sustained, will not be.

Blogger Sherwood family August 10, 2018 7:00 AM  

High IQ populations are adopting a "tragedy of the commons" approach to reproduction by assuming that some other High IQ couple will have the children that they, for reasons of convenience, have chosen not to bring into the world. Seeing the economic benefits of downsizing family size means other High IQ neighbors follow suit and limit their own fertility. This means that their share of the pie continues to grow smaller because pecuniary considerations for individual families dictate smaller family sizes while pecuniary concerns for the nation overall and over the long term dictate just the opposite. Lower IQ folks have less impulse control and consequently do not think through even the short term implications of breeding, which ironically serves them well over the long term from the perspective of ensuring the survival of their offspring. Add in the massive swamping effect of low IQ immigrants and you have a big problem.

A fertility buyout would be a win-win for everyone. We pay people who are on public assistance for their fertility. We offer a large, one time pay-out in exchange for sterilization. They get extra cash to waste and we get their inability to produce more individuals who are a net drain on society. No force takes place. We create an incentive structure that induces those, especially those will low impulse control, to voluntarily end their genetic lines.

Blogger Sherwood family August 10, 2018 7:06 AM  

On the other end of the spectrum we need to create an inducement for those with high IQs to produce off-spring and raise them to adulthood. We already do some of that with some tax credits but a full blown tiered pay out for those who have higher numbers of children creates another win-win.

And don't tell me we don't have the money. We deficit spend for everything else. Even a modest reduction in the number of children of welfare recipients being born should more than make up for the much smaller numbers of High IQ kids being born. Over time you also have lower spending on crime etc. that come from reducing the number of people with low IQs and low impulse control. Imagine a ghetto or filthy trailer park somewhere without "youths" because their mothers had opted to simply take cash instead of get on the welfare queen circuit. Cheap at twice the price.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len August 10, 2018 7:08 AM  

Norman Borlaug completely screwed us.

Blogger Stilicho August 10, 2018 7:16 AM  

@sherwood: Vox ran the numbers a while back: the average black costs the average white American around $900,000 in transfer payments over a lifetime. No need to deficit spend at all, merely reallocate the current dyscivic, dysgenic spending...

Blogger Sherwood family August 10, 2018 7:21 AM  

The tricky part would be getting the sterilization put in place at a young enough age that you could head a lot of this off. Unfortunately, due to earlier onset of puberty, some of kids as young as 13 or 14 are having children out of wedlock which then become the responsibility of the state to pay for. And this is encouraged by the girl's relatives (mother) because they go on to "foster" these kids for a monthly check from Uncle Sugar.

Blogger Amy August 10, 2018 7:23 AM  

@1 Azure: re feeding feral cats, it’s not a bad analogy. Some people are *coerced* into feeding them by the crazy cat ladies in their neighborhood.

My FIL moved into a little cottage community after retirement. One day he mentioned he needed to get more cat food. Why? I wondered, he didn’t have pets...well, the old ladies in the cottages around him all fed the cats, and said that part of living there meant taking care of the cats, so he had to Do His Part. They made life very unpleasant for him until he complied...leaving trash in his drive, mowing their lawns and blowing the clippings all over his sidewalk, and such. There wasn’t much he could do to complain, without evidence. So he started feeding the ferals and they left him alone.

He even had to tell the CCLs when he would be on vacation, and leave a bag of food behind. Can you spell insanity? C-C-L.

Now, consider how we are all encouraged to feed Africa and take in Beanlets and shelter Muslims...

Blogger Felix Bellator August 10, 2018 7:26 AM  

Would a pogram of ruthless eugenics lead to a new colonialist period of overseas adventures to gather resources from naturally or ruthlessly unnaturally depopulated areas? Once the collapse accelerates and the West stops or cannot continue propping up the third world the depopulation of those areas would likely be rapid. Would China revert to a closed agricultural society? They do not need to exercise ruthless eugenics.

Blogger Sherwood family August 10, 2018 7:27 AM  

Crazy Cat Lady syndrome is most likely caused by toxoplasmosis. Seriously, look it up. The research on it is wild.

Blogger Gurpgork August 10, 2018 7:30 AM  

Universal Basic Income for those who choose not to reproduce.

Blogger Avalanche August 10, 2018 7:31 AM  

@1 "If, on the other hand, everyone is forced to feed them (because just one or two foolish people feeding them isn't a good analogue to the present), their population explodes, with an accelerating rate that inevitably ramps nearly perpendicularly off the top of what could ever realistically be fed.
Quickly, the starving ferals adopt behaviors shocking and appalling to the foolish people who fed them...
"

Sounds more like Africans than cats -- and the 'foolish people' who are feeding and medicating them -- creating a population bomb of vermin, that has turned tsunami to the MPAIs feeding them -- AND the laissez-faire people allowing the feeding.

(It's not NICE to fool Mother Nature!) (S'pose most of you are too young to remember that ad?)

Blogger Sherwood family August 10, 2018 7:36 AM  

They've already got a universal basic income for a whole bunch of these people. It is called welfare or jail cells. We need to aim at large one time payments that will overwhelm the ability of individuals with low IQs and low impulse control to say no. They take the pay out, get tubes tied or vasectomies and voila, you've saved big time money over the long haul.

Blogger Avalanche August 10, 2018 7:38 AM  

@18 "Universal Basic Income for those who choose not to reproduce."

"Choose" implies most of them HAVE the self-control to make the choice (every day over and over). Yeah, not gonna happen!

Universal Basic Income for those who choose sterilization for themselves (and any kids they already had) BY age 13!

FIFY.

Blogger Gurpgork August 10, 2018 7:44 AM  

Yes, obviously you have to guarantee that they don't have kids and any kids they already have would have to concede as well. But it is a rather 'carrot' approach to the problem instead of all 'stick'.

Blogger Apostoleanu August 10, 2018 7:45 AM  

If wealthy, high-iq, highly ‘developed’ societes don’t reproduce themselves then what is the point to all these things?

Blogger The Observer August 10, 2018 7:45 AM  

A fertility buyout would be a win-win for everyone. We pay people who are on public assistance for their fertility. We offer a large, one time pay-out in exchange for sterilization. They get extra cash to waste and we get their inability to produce more individuals who are a net drain on society. No force takes place. We create an incentive structure that induces those, especially those will low impulse control, to voluntarily end their genetic lines.

On the other end of the spectrum we need to create an inducement for those with high IQs to produce off-spring and raise them to adulthood. We already do some of that with some tax credits but a full blown tiered pay out for those who have higher numbers of children creates another win-win.


Singapore has tried both - voluntary sterilisation of low-income families, a policy that still quietly continues today, and payouts for having children. The former has worked to some extent, but it's not a complete panacea; lower average IQ Malays are still the only population group with replacement fertility while everyone putters at 1.2-1.3.

Paying people to have kids, though, has utterly FAILED. You need to make having children high-status, you need to bin feminism and lower status for women across the board to sate hypergamy, you need to stop the gears of the IQ shredder and wean the beautiful ones from amusing themselves to death.

No society has ever managed to do the above save via collapse, war and death.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 10, 2018 7:49 AM  

But what about the "end of history?"
And "progress?"
We just need better schools, that's all.
And more tolerance.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 10, 2018 7:53 AM  

it was a long time before internal decay lead to final collapse

One of the markers of civilizational collapse: even scholars get lead, led, led wrong.

Blogger Sherwood family August 10, 2018 7:53 AM  

In the Singapore experience, what is the $ pay out for sterilization?

If paying people to have kids doesn't work then the only answer is to lower female status. But how does one do that legislatively? Culturally is a different matter but from a legal standpoint, what is the preferred mechanism?

Blogger Sherwood family August 10, 2018 7:56 AM  

Of course, to do any of these things would require an electorate that agreed (in which case it would not be much of a problem) or a military coup and strong man leadership or total media/education/judicial control and the ability to saturate people in messaging to achieve better fertility for high IQ folks.

Blogger James Dixon August 10, 2018 7:56 AM  

> The longer the negative cycle persists, the more likely it is that the people of the West will eventually have to choose between utterly ruthless eugenics and total civilizational collapse.

That's not really a choice. Total civilizational collapse will also result in ruthless eugenics. Ruthless eugenics is coming either way.

> ...some of kids as young as 13 or 14 are having children out of wedlock which then become the responsibility of the state to pay for.

Which the state *chooses* to pay for. There is no such responsibility on the part of the state.

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 10, 2018 8:01 AM  

Amy wrote:They made life very unpleasant for him until he complied...leaving trash in his drive, mowing their lawns and blowing the clippings all over his sidewalk, and such.

Hmmm, I might just have to make the cats disappear in that situation. And I like cats!

But I'd have to do something to counter the tyranny of these bitches rather than give in to their bullying.

But I can see how choosing the easier way is most likely. Kind of a microcosm of our times. Men giving in to women's passive aggressive B.S. and allowing the degradation of society.

Blogger pyrrhus August 10, 2018 8:02 AM  

The upward part of this process has been well described in Greg Clark's 'A Farewell to Alms'..Our collapse has been much more rapid, however, due to the Pill and the accelerated "empowerment" of women..As Sir John Glubb observed, the exaltation of women and sports stars is a herald of societal collapse.

Blogger Shimshon August 10, 2018 8:05 AM  

Having children isn't about simply money or equivalent inducements. It's a vote for the future. How do you motivate people to vote?

Israeli Jews saw their birthrate bottom out around 15 years ago, and it has rebounded strongly, across the board. Even the non-observant ("secular") birthrate is up. We are country with a first world economy and a third world birthrate.

The Arabs, meanwhile, despite their bluster, are not voting. Their birthrates are declining, and have been for 20 years. Amazingly, we have reached parity. The conflict with them would be over in no time if we just gave them free internet and cable TV.

Blogger pyrrhus August 10, 2018 8:05 AM  

If paying people to have kids doesn't work then the only answer is to lower female status. But how does one do that legislatively? Culturally is a different matter but from a legal standpoint, what is the preferred mechanism?

Take away the franchise, and close all universities and professional schools to women....sounds kinda like Islam, doesn't it?!

Blogger Sherwood family August 10, 2018 8:08 AM  

The case of Iran is instructive. They have the fastest fall in fertility of any country on earth and it is almost entirely due to women getting higher educations. There are actually legal quotas in higher education so that men can even go to universities. Despite the Islamic Republic being...er...Islamic...the university educations have practically done the place in when it comes to having children.

Blogger VD August 10, 2018 8:10 AM  

If wealthy, high-iq, highly ‘developed’ societes don’t reproduce themselves then what is the point to all these things?

That's the point. There isn't. There is no such thing as secular "progress" per se, except for the turning of the wheel.

Blogger Shitavious Lordecai August 10, 2018 8:13 AM  

Feminism and the belief that women should go to college and get a job instead of a wedding ring have probably been the most societally destructive ideas for the cognitive elite in the West.

Blogger dienw August 10, 2018 8:14 AM  

The essay as presented here nor the comments make no reference to the discivil and desgenetic manipulations of our rulers||(((rulers))); nor does it make mention of such groups as Masons and their long range conspiracies; nor even of the negative influence of pagan or false religions. There has to be consideration of outside manipulation/coercion on the native population.

Blogger pyrrhus August 10, 2018 8:16 AM  

@12 "Norman Borlaug completely screwed us."

The Green Revolution was merely a temporary hiccup that actually accelerated the destruction of topsoil and fresh water aquifers, which is typically part of civilizational collapse...Contrary to news reports, Rev. Malthus hasn't left the house, he's merely on a smoking break.

Blogger pyrrhus August 10, 2018 8:19 AM  

@34 Yes, the all powerful Mullahs couldn't resist the siren call of modernism and feminism. That's how powerful the cycle really is...

Blogger Sherwood family August 10, 2018 8:24 AM  

Malthus is only wrong when it comes to high IQ populations. But the choice of high IQ populations to spend their energy and effort finding ways to feed the rest was probably not something he counted on.

Blogger Redpill Angel August 10, 2018 8:28 AM  

33 pyrrhus said: Take away the franchise, and close all universities and professional schools to women....sounds kinda like Islam, doesn't it?!

Right. Christian societies, on the other hand, have always given women increased dignity -- in their feminine roles. Feminism tells women that their feminine role is inferior and useless, then offers them abortion and an ugly surrogate manhood in exchange. After that, Islam starts looking good to people starved for any kind of societal stability. The End.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 10, 2018 8:28 AM  

One cycle to rule them all. White Nats fall into the cycle like cats to kibble, they fetishize the white woman and then said "Angel" has no mo wypepo and instead the "muds and kikes" the unterpepo be havin the chilluns.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 10, 2018 8:40 AM  

If anyone wants to put a Rob Gronkowski like thunder spike down upon the alt-retard faction use Shimson's factoid upon them, and then in a peace offer, offer to put them on the Victoria's Secret's mailing list.

I now offer a solution not mean spirited black pills, kill the obesity epidemic, keep the chick 6s and 7s thin and infuse in the Deltas a bit of "gab em by the pussy" mentality.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 10, 2018 9:03 AM  

@24
J.D. Unwin's "Sex and Culture" and F. Roger Devlin's "Sexual Utopia in Power" very relevant here.

@40
Strangely (or not), Malthus was also wrong with respect to sub-Saharan Africa in the old days -- which never came close to its theoretical Malthusian limit, mostly due to the burden of infectious disease. But we fixed that...

@43
TFR now at 3.16 -- higher than Saudi Arabia.
Next up --diaspora Jews are nearly uniformly pro-abortion fanatics. But look up Israeli abortion laws (have to go before a committee to get approval). Or miscegenation laws...

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 10, 2018 9:34 AM  

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Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 10, 2018 9:38 AM  

@37
The underlying cycle exists independent of those influences (exacerbated this time around by more effective contraception, free availability of abortion, etc.). Idiocracy is real. Someone else mentioned Glubb, I believe -- very relevant.

@33
Take away the franchise, and close all universities and professional schools to women....sounds kinda like Islam, doesn't it?!

Hence the meme "white sharia" -- or
https://infogalactic.com/info/Coverture

Blogger LibertyPortraits August 10, 2018 9:40 AM  

We could start by hiring them in decent jobs instead of leaving them to languish in low income and high debt.

Blogger Zwiebel August 10, 2018 9:49 AM  

You simply make it dependent on number of children already in existence. No child = $$$, one child = $$, two children = $.

Incentives could also be reversed. After your third child, you will not receive additional handouts. Cap.

Honestly, I think no welfare state should pay any family more than half the average income, independently of the number of children.

As a bigger problem strikes me the later regret and reversal. True, fewer employment resistant children, but still...

Blogger rumpole5 August 10, 2018 9:53 AM  

I think that you all are missing the effects of AI and high tech on this whole process. Query: what would be the result of donating an android sex slave to every wife-beater-tee wearing low IQ guy for exclusive use after he finishes watching the game and quaffing the six-pack? I think that the slatern he would otherwise impregnate would be offloaded immwdiately!

Blogger Brett baker August 10, 2018 9:55 AM  

Hooker gets killed by john. Most people don't get upset in those circumstances.
Then again, look at the "we must Narcan every OD" idiocy going around.

Blogger Zwiebel August 10, 2018 9:57 AM  

Well, Hungary has some budding success simply by making babies cool again...

I agree, payouts for high IQs is a big failure. But all you need to do is get some propaganda going. Cute blonde kids with pretty blonde mums baking cookies, as dad comes home and is inundated by a hugnami of pudgy little arms...

Most of Europe has state controlled tv, it would be an absolute doddle.

Blogger Brett baker August 10, 2018 10:01 AM  

They also chose to lower their population growth. They live, to quote Sam Kinnison, "in a f***ing desert."

Blogger Scott August 10, 2018 10:28 AM  

aka Robogenics

Blogger Resident Moron™ August 10, 2018 10:47 AM  

I've long thought that the problem with progressives is encapsulated in their name; like their gods Marx & Darwin they think history is an inevitable linear progression.

But it aint. It's more like a pendulum.

So, who cares? Well, it strikes me that considering the prospect we'd be facing if they were right, the cyclical nature of human affairs is not so much a curse as a curative.

Viva la curse.

Blogger Michael Maier August 10, 2018 11:28 AM  

There has never been any reason to think that anyone - ANYONE - knew that Kitty Genovese was being raped, let alone watched.

Blogger Matamoros August 10, 2018 11:39 AM  

One main truthism I hear is that the Catholic Church is anti-eugenic. Not so.

She is only anti-negative eugenics such as sterilization and killing the unfit. Positive eugenics such as promotion of good racial characteristics, passing on superior genes, etc. has always been approved by the Church.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/16038b.htm

Blogger Durandel August 10, 2018 12:37 PM  

It’s not enough to reduce handouts to single moms and the men who fathered the kid...we should strip them of citizen status for the failure to reproduce in a marriage covenant and for being net tax draining. You won’t get the votes to reverse incentives for out of wedlock births without stripping them of voting rights and heeling social shame/pain to boot.

Clearly most people never develop beyond a stunted pre-teen mental age. Whether we like it or not, some type of authoritarian government will have to be imposed to get the general populace in line. It’s now just a question of if said authority is Satanic/Communist or Christian (or Satanic/Islamic in other places of the West).

Blogger Dirk Manly August 10, 2018 1:57 PM  

@4

"There are too many stupid people."

That's because
1: We give them modern life-saving medical treatment when they attempt to off themselves in childhood

2: Once they reach adulthood, we give them more and more money (beyond expenses) to have more kids.

A woman can literally have a $60,000/year income doing nothing but sitting at home with 4 illegitimate children....and that's in a low cost-of-living state like Michigan.

Blogger DonReynolds August 10, 2018 2:43 PM  

This is all terribly interesting and entertaining, but we all know this country is not going to take any effective steps to limit or restrain population growth, other than voluntary abortion, which is anathema to a significant number of people. There is not the political will to even propose it and there would be open rebellion if it were proposed. No, not even welfare reforms.

This country is not going to willingly do anything except watch while the problem cures itself with Malthusian solutions. There is no reason to reform the welfare system because there will be no welfare system pretty soon. The country is bankrupt and half the Federal budget is borrowed money. Clearly, unsustainable. All of which will dry up when they can no longer borrow enough money to continue the farce. Then it will end. Perhaps not overnight but sooner than anyone can get ready.

The ship could be saved if the captain would give the orders, except the crew would mutiny, and the passengers would complain and protest. They are seasick from the storms, not realizing they will soon be swimming in those same stormy waters. The ship is going down and there are not nearly enough lifeboats and rafts. It is getting dark and the water is very cold. The bar will keep serving drinks and the ship's band will keep playing and the lights will stay on as long as humanly possible.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 10, 2018 2:48 PM  

"to lower female status. But how does one do that legislatively? Culturally is a different matter but from a legal standpoint, what is the preferred mechanism?"

Simply, remove legal protections from women. The more you remove the faster it fixes itself.

If gov-daddy isn't there to protect them, they naturally have to kowtow to the men who can be.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 10, 2018 2:52 PM  

"Whether we like it or not, some type of authoritarian government will have to be imposed to get the general populace in line."

That's exactly the wrong answer. When you look at the bigger picture, what you're saying is roughly equivalent to "The patient is dying of a minor infection due to their weakened immune system. Let's irradiate the infection away."

More gov power will lead to two things: #1: Even more corruption. #2: Even stupider, weaker, more incompetent people in general.

Well, at least until the problem solves itself.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 10, 2018 2:54 PM  

Then again, Ritalin is a stimulant, so maybe the hyperpotent governments are just part of the cure in driving the complete collapse of governments.

Blogger Bubba August 10, 2018 4:26 PM  

@32: Shimson, do you even need the Galut Jews anymore? They are so corrupted by Universalism, self-extinction and female overeducation that they are more of a social and moral risk to the mainstream, self-reproducing Jews of Israel than a net benefit.

Example: There is a silly daughter of a convert I know who moved from the Midwest to Israel. She kvells about "being with her people" like a good little Birthright kid, yet pushes pro-Arab social justice stuff in Israel the same way she pushed pro-black/brown social justice and open borders crap in the USA. She goes to demonstrations in Tel Aviv and carries anti-Netanyahu signs.

She isn't married, works as a barista, and shows no likelihood of ever getting married. Her Pinterest and Instagram stuff is sprinkled with "grrl-power", pro-feminist, anti-patriarchy, and "I'm my doggie's mama" crap.

She will be an SJW agitator for decades and (in the end) a net drain on Israeli social security.

Frankly, its better you "grow your own" sabras than import American [pussy] Jews who are going to undermine your culture and threaten your survival. They are too educated and too Universalist.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 10, 2018 5:11 PM  

Bubba wrote:Frankly, its better you "grow your own" sabras than import American [pussy] Jews who are going to undermine your culture and threaten your survival. They are too educated and too Universalist.

Shut up, Bubba. The more Israel takes, the fewer we have.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 10, 2018 6:17 PM  

In my own dark enlightenment, there are times when I wonder if women are so hard-wired for effective reproductive strategy to breed healthy offspring that even the fully deleterious ones self-destruct subconsciously so as not to be reproduced with. We beg and plead "but the women's vote is ultimately going to destroy civilization!" but what is destroyed civilization anyway?
It's warlords and harems. That's what.
And a top alpha male who can kick everybody's ass (strong masculine male with dominant traits) breeding with the prettiest (read: best markers for healthy reproduction) women is in fact, like it or not, the best reproductive strategy for the human race.
But even more so, perhaps our even bigger issue is post-renaissance patriarchy. Think of that.
When did we really seem to have a handle on beating the elements, or start to, to drive away the "winter wolves" so to speak?
When did we actually establish "every man and woman who wants to have kids will have kids"? So much so that we even have "get career, get married, have kids" in some rock-solid order that people brainlessly follow?
Seems to me, all that started during the same era, mid to late 19th century, as did feminism, socialism, and Marxism. If people were always dumb enough to fall for that crap, would they not have earlier? But then the scope of my post here is only for Western civilization.
So the deleterious genetics - and stupidity -started around that time when every man "could" sire offspring. But should every man?
Now come to the present. Not only are we surrounded by hordes of people who could be cast as themselves in "Invasion of the Zombie Robots", they are also diseased too. Cancer, obesity, diabeetus. You name it. When I was a kid you never heard of another kid getting cancer. Now there are entire wings in hospitals for it.
Maybe women are hard-wired to destroy genetically failing societies and reduce it back to warlords and harems. And maybe it was the best reproductive strategy for the human race when lesser, weak, and stupid men died as slaves and canon fodder. Unfair? Cruel? Evil? Probably.
Chances are egalitarianism and lack of class structure are culprits. Or perhaps men are also hardwired to wage or participate in war more often (two huge wars, 20th cetury, etc).

I don't know. As least with women I'm sure that in their voting and love for open borders, reason has nothing to do with it.

Blogger Unknown August 10, 2018 6:39 PM  

luuckily, nowadays the cycle moves fast - the "dark age" will be shorter than the post-Roman one (and not to mention the Bronze Age one)

this means that singularity is upon us (therefore ending the cycle)

Blogger AnvilTiger August 10, 2018 7:41 PM  

$100,000 US dollars tax free to become sterilized.
Off set with: $50,000 deducted from federal taxes for each child, the deduction carries over if not all used in one tax year.
This 2 step approach would remove those from the bottom of the gene pool because they want the money up front and don't pay federal taxes anyway, while at the top end that is enough to convince women that they can "effectively" earn $50K per year for their families. Heck, if a woman had 10 kids, the family would avoid $500,000 dollars in federal taxes; with it carrying forward a middle class family might go for 30 years without ever paying federal taxes.

The problem is the federal government would go broke. The bureaucrats would never permit it.

Blogger Sweetbeak greatest fan August 10, 2018 9:17 PM  

"If wealthy, high-iq, highly ‘developed’ societes don’t reproduce themselves then what is the point to all these things?"

From a heretic's viewpoint: Entropy pervades the universe. Mechanically, life is special because it increases order -- it progressively decreases entropy. There are few known phenomena in the universe that create order; electromagnetism and/or gravity, and life. The ascent of man has been an ascent to higher order. Both in our brain structure, and in the reorganization of our environment catalyzed by increased intelligence. The electrical grid and all attached devices, for example, is an exquisite ordering that would not randomly occur in a purely entropic universe.

Modern humans supposedly evolved from Africans, which supposedly evolved from something even closer to apes. If natural selection was in effect, obsolete models would constantly be sloughed off the bottom of the pyramid, and humans would eternally ascend to higher levels of intelligence and environmental order. To answer your question, that is the point of it all, mechanically. Majestic order in a world of chaos. Not to sound masonic/jewish/satanic; traditional morality enforces the social structure necessary for civilization.

High-IQ reproduction, above replacement level, would not be an issue if natural selection were in effect. But there's a glitch in the civilization program (per the OP article). When abundance is attained, the victors seem to lose their competitive spirit. Feminine morality (suicidal empathy) becomes dominant, particularly as women get to vote. The ascent of man stops and the raising up of the obsolete is prioritized. That's where we are today.

Incidentally, the random origination of life is so improbable as to be impossible, as discussed in a recent thread here. The minimum necessary cellular machinery consists of interdependent complex systems which could not happen without design. Likewise for the idea of functional mutations in evolution. That doesn't rule out origination and evolution guided by an omnipotent mind -- an ordering force, invisible and immeasurable except in the improbability of its results. Of course that doesn't jibe with the 'made in seven days' theory, though both are a version of intelligent design. I don't know what the theory on fossils is around here.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 10, 2018 9:51 PM  

"this means that singularity is upon us (therefore ending the cycle)"

You're funny.

I seriously doubt the "singularity" is even a material possibility.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 10, 2018 9:54 PM  

"The problem is the federal government would go broke."

I assume we're talking post federal Reserve?

Blogger Geoarrge August 10, 2018 11:57 PM  

@49: I suppose it depends on whether the left can secure AI rights and pack the electorate with Silicon Valley drones, before the resultant population collapse leaves the country under solid control of whoever remembered to breed.

Blogger Vaughan Williams August 11, 2018 12:04 AM  

Well written PDF. I like the way he integrated Aristotle and Calhoun. He might even have referenced Glubb, but I'd have to double check. Carol Quigley said much the same things as Glubb, and Nixon made comments that showed he knew the knowledge too. Maybe such knowledge of the cycle of civilization was common among certain sections of the elites.

Blogger Vaughan Williams August 11, 2018 12:13 AM  

@65 the order of things, get a job, get married, have children, was written down as Holy Scripture more than 2000 years ago by the prophet Jeremiah.

Jeremiah 29:5-7

5 Build ye houses, and dwell in them; and plant gardens, and eat the fruit of them;

6 Take ye wives, and beget sons and daughters; and take wives for your sons, and give your daughters to husbands, that they may bear sons and daughters; that ye may be increased there, and not diminished.

7 And seek the peace of the city whither I have caused you to be carried away captives, and pray unto the LORD for it: for in the peace thereof shall ye have peace.

Blogger Daniel August 11, 2018 5:22 PM  

Iq is not enough. But be inner hajnal type

Blogger great_o'rety August 12, 2018 8:36 AM  

Here we go again. So many posts and nobody says a world about retirement plans as the main reason for the collapse.


when fertility rates were positively associated with income levels


So what was this magic trick that dissociated fertility rates with greater income levels other than an retirement plans invented by Bismarck in the closing part 19th century?

Blogger Dirk Manly August 12, 2018 2:55 PM  

@63

"Example: There is a silly daughter of a convert I know who moved from the Midwest to Israel. She kvells about "being with her people" like a good little Birthright kid, yet pushes pro-Arab social justice stuff in Israel the same way she pushed pro-black/brown social justice and open borders crap in the USA. She goes to demonstrations in Tel Aviv and carries anti-Netanyahu signs.

She isn't married, works as a barista, and shows no likelihood of ever getting married. Her Pinterest and Instagram stuff is sprinkled with "grrl-power", pro-feminist, anti-patriarchy, and "I'm my doggie's mama" crap.

She will be an SJW agitator for decades and (in the end) a net drain on Israeli social security.

Frankly, its better you "grow your own" sabras than import American [pussy] Jews who are going to undermine your culture and threaten your survival. They are too educated and too Universalist."

The Culture or Critique is in their genes... even when the entire society is nobody but themselves, they're going to engage in Derrida-like Deconstruction, because they literally have nothing else in their culture other than considering any and every authority to be illegitimate. Those who, for whatever genetic reason, don't have an instinct to undermine the culture they are in, left the tribe many generations ago.

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