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Sunday, August 12, 2018

The futility of social media bans

I'm not surprised that the well-publicized social media bans aren't harming Alex Jones. The truth is that social media doesn't actually matter all that much for those who already have a strong base of supporters. It's the content that matters much more than the medium.
Some of the nation’s largest technology and social media companies have tried to stop Alex Jones and his conspiracy theories. But in a digital world, their attempts seem to have barely slowed him down.

After YouTube, Facebook and others this week removed content by Jones and his website, the InfoWars leader, talk show host and Austin resident fired back, accusing the companies of censorship and urging his audience to fight back against what he called an “unprecedented attack.”

Meanwhile, Jones’ website and other online platforms have remained popular destinations.

InfoWars continues to see more than 1 million page visits per day and has trended upward this month, according to Amazon’s Alexa website traffic report, which also said InfoWars averages more than 25 million page views per month.
Being banned from Twitter last year and having links to my blog blocked by Twitter and Facebook haven't had any serious effect on my blog either. Last year at this time, the monthly traffic average for VP alone was 2,500,791. Now it is 2,604,358, which represents 4.1 percent annual growth.

Given the massive Twitter audiences that Mike Cernovich and Jack Posobiec have developed - I had 33k when I was banned - it's likely that the bans have somewhat slowed the growth of the blog and Voxiversity. But they obviously haven't stopped it, which I suspect is one reason why the tech media giants have only engaged in fairly limited banning in response to the demands of their SJWs, who would prefer to ban everyone who is a Republican, who ever voted for a Republican, or is to the Right of Che Guevara.

These bans are a very delicate balancing game for the social media giants. They already know we have built a few alternative platforms and have the ability to build more. And they are very well aware that there is a tipping point somewhere at which too many bans will trigger a snowball effect that will more than decimate their user bases. After all, both Facebook and Twitter are already in decline.
CNBC describes the drop at Facebook as “severe” and goes on to round out its list this way: “The five websites receiving the most traffic in the US in the last several years have been Google, Facebook, YouTube, Yahoo and Amazon, in that order. However, Facebook has seen a severe decline in monthly page visits, from 8.5 billion to 4.7 billion in the last two years, according to the study. Although Facebook’s app traffic has grown, it is not enough to make up for that loss, the study said.”

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40 Comments:

Blogger Mark Stoval August 12, 2018 6:08 AM  

I think the Alex Jones joint banning caught the attention of a lot of people who did not realize or believe that the tech giants are SJW infused, left-wing crazies.

Now people are saying words like "totalitarian" who I had not expected to wake up just yet. Perhaps the whole thing has had an unexpected plus side for us.

Blogger VD August 12, 2018 6:32 AM  

Now people are saying words like "totalitarian" who I had not expected to wake up just yet.

That's another reason they're being cautious about their bannings, picking and choosing their targets carefully.

Blogger Dane August 12, 2018 6:38 AM  

2018 seems to be the year of awakening.
The #walkaway movement, this mass banning of infowars, the steady rise of blacks for Trump etc
The left is hemorrhaging people.
The way things are going forget about the blue wave turning into a faint drizzle 2020 won't only be a Trumpslide but he's likely to the popular vote as well.
All the left is doing is red pilling more and more people. Many wont dare openly support Trump but will anonymously vote for him next time

Blogger Salt August 12, 2018 6:55 AM  

from 8.5 billion to 4.7 billion in the last two years

In an act of desperation, FB might need to monkey with their numbers and count outside mentions as page visits.

Blogger Uncle John's Band August 12, 2018 7:01 AM  

With big social in decline and possible anti-trust on the way, the mass bannings now look like the Cabal burning what asset value remains in a Hail Mary attempt to swing the election. It obviously isn't working, but what other avenues do they have?

Blogger Uncle John's Band August 12, 2018 7:08 AM  

This is related - I checked out Oneway on recommendation of the Darkstream and wound up signing up. It is a fledgling platform - barely a month out of beta - but intelligently set up with room to grow. It serves a different purpose from Idka - much more public facing. The guy behind it - Derek - also isn't giving off any megalomaniacal or gamma vibes.

It's tiny, but the newness is appealing, and Infowars just joined.

Blogger Jack Ward August 12, 2018 7:09 AM  

@4 Salt
Which offers an airing of one of my pet peeves. Drudge Report, which I go to some, will do a 'page reset' I suppose you call it, where the whole page does refresh and this happens every few minutes. This is annoying now and was once very annoying before I got this very fast internet service. I always suspected it was to enhance Drudge's page view counts. All it really accomplishes, in my case, it to limit those visits and/or length of stay.

Blogger Solon August 12, 2018 7:46 AM  

Stop being totalitarians who silence any dissent, and move to a place where they aren't the sole deciders of what content gets published? That's how they'd get away from the anti-trust/public utility target reticles.

Oh wait, that would be admitting defeat and accepting that what they have been doing is against free and unfettered speech.

I think there was a book somewhere about how SJWs always double-down...

Blogger Desillusionerad August 12, 2018 7:51 AM  

I'm not so sure orchestrating a conspiracy to silence a conspiracy theorist is the best way to silence him - Most people don't think someone is paranoid if you can see the people out to get him.

Blogger rumpole5 August 12, 2018 7:57 AM  

The banning caused me to sign on to an old fakebook account that I had not read or used for years and go through the delete account process. I wonder how many other folks did the same thing.

Blogger SirMaorio August 12, 2018 8:09 AM  

if banning is as effective as they hope, more people would be getting bans. as it shows in this case and many others, you just give the people you ban a large and sudden boost in publicity on terms that are very favorable towards them

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 12, 2018 8:12 AM  

Desillusionerad wrote:I'm not so sure orchestrating a conspiracy to silence a conspiracy theorist is the best way to silence him - Most people don't think someone is paranoid if you can see the people out to get him.

Yes, it really has to be the best thing that could have happened to him at this point. I doubt he didn't see it coming. All the outrage and blustering after the fact is just posturing and PR.

I really don't know what to think of him. Good for a good chuckle, for sure. His style is inimitable.

Blogger Peaceful Poster August 12, 2018 8:13 AM  

The GE has been uncharacteristically silent regarding the Alex Jones situation.

I take that as a good sign. He's likely working on something very interesting behind the scenes.

Blogger Peaceful Poster August 12, 2018 8:18 AM  

Or perhaps the GE is simply standing aside while the enemy falls of his own accord.

Blogger James Dixon August 12, 2018 8:29 AM  

> In an act of desperation, FB might need to monkey with their numbers and count outside mentions as page visits.

They'll just lie. Who's going to do anything about it? The SEC?

> Which offers an airing of one of my pet peeves. Drudge Report, which I go to some, will do a 'page reset' I suppose you call it, where the whole page does refresh and this happens every few minutes.

Use Brave and turn off scripts on the page.

> I doubt he didn't see it coming.

Vox told him it was coming.

Blogger tuberman August 12, 2018 8:31 AM  

The globalist/lefties have been planning this a long time ago, sped up totalitarian crap due to this election being do or die for them, and they will not do that well in election. Next Hail Mary is to start a war.

Blogger seeingsights August 12, 2018 8:37 AM  

What's going on now is a transition in the marketplace.
In the 1990s, AOL was a dominant internet company. In the early years of the 21st century, MySpace and Yahoo were dominant. Those companies have declined in importance.
In a competitive market, it not easy staying top dog. Recently, Apple became the company with the highest capitalization, at 1 trillion dollars. A recent study shows that the stock price performance of the largest cap company --whatever that company may be--underperforms the stock market. That is not surprising.

Blogger Dave August 12, 2018 8:37 AM  

Let's talk conspiracy stories; the very same day Alex interviewed Vox, he later claimed he received an email from Youtube asking him to appeal his ban and they would reinstate him. Since then I've seen or heard nothing on this anywhere including Alex himself.

Could it be that Alex decided to take full advantage of the publicity generated by the bannings and is ignoring Youtube's request for an appeal? He certainly could not have arranged more fortuitous timing for the bannings and resulting extra publicity to happen the day before and day of the launch of his new app last week. Just a happy coincidence, right? Alex Jones would never do something like that, right?

Dave wrote:Alex Jones claims insiders told him his account was hijacked by operatives at Youtube and Youtube has emailed him today; told him to appeal and they would reinstate his account.

I'm not seeing this being reported even on Infowars.

See 3:28:00 http://bigmedia1.infowars.com/mp4/20180808_Wed_Alex.mp4

Blogger tuberman August 12, 2018 8:44 AM  

"Could it be that Alex decided to take full advantage of the publicity generated by the bannings and is ignoring Youtube's request for an appeal? He certainly could not have arranged more fortuitous timing for the bannings and resulting extra publicity to happen the day before and day of the launch of his new app last week. Just a happy coincidence, right? Alex Jones would never do something like that, right?"

WE.DON'T.CARE.

Blogger Dave August 12, 2018 8:51 AM  

No, rootman, you're missing the point. What if Alex somehow goaded these companies into mass banning him just when he was set to introduce his new app? He couldn't have paid for better publicity. Brilliant, right?

Blogger seeingsights August 12, 2018 8:55 AM  

Yes, this is an an attempt by the internet companies to influence upcoming elections. Reasearchers have argued that these tech companies can influence opinion.
My experience corroborates that research. I was interested in the Brexit issue months before the vote. Youtube, which is owned by Google, suggested interesting and pro-Brexit videos to me. I was pleasantly surprised. I surmised then that Google had an axe to grind against the EU. Google certainly has an axe to grind now against the EU, because of the massive fine. But now I think that back then Google got careless in allowing a anti-globalist viewpoint.
This also corroborates what Vox Day says: SJWs always project. The liberal-left is decrying alleged Russian interference in our elections. Yet it is the SJWs in the tech companies who are meddling in our elections, by deplatforming individuals because of their politics.

Blogger VD August 12, 2018 8:58 AM  

What if Alex somehow goaded these companies into mass banning him just when he was set to introduce his new app? He couldn't have paid for better publicity. Brilliant, right?

Color me very dubious. He didn't need the publicity and he wasn't the only one banned.

Blogger Dave August 12, 2018 8:59 AM  

However, Facebook has seen a severe decline in monthly page visits, from 8.5 billion to 4.7 billion in the last two years, according to the study.

Any other entity, they would say was in its death throes.

Blogger Phillip George August 12, 2018 9:03 AM  

Just stay aware "dr They" might want the biggest voices off line for the next major false flag.

If you see something, man the Meme.

Bill Maher looks like he's in the [ ]/ seems he deserves it richly.

Blogger Dave August 12, 2018 9:12 AM  

Reasearchers[sic] have argued that these tech companies can influence opinion.

Did we need researchers to determine that? Advertisers would not pay Google, FB, etc if they were not able to influence opinion. Although more and more are beginning to question the returns on their investments.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( i always walk with Jack Ward ... unless i'm riding with Joe Rohan ) August 12, 2018 9:23 AM  

20. Dave August 12, 2018 8:51 AM
What if Alex somehow goaded these companies into mass banning him just when he was set to introduce his new app?


what if some SJW decided that it was better to hit the eject button on Infowars *before* Alex Jones could use their platform to advertise for his new app
...
which will be a competing social media network?

it's not as if they aren't banning those of the Right constantly, anyways.

Blogger Meimou August 12, 2018 9:32 AM  

@Dave

Ron Gibson, a channel who posted infowar podcast was also banned.

Blogger seeingsights August 12, 2018 10:07 AM  

@ Dave
Such research can have value. The conclusion of the research seems obvious. But the research can determine interesting things. For example how effective is the influence of the social media companies. Or what are the tactics used by social media companies in influence opinion.

Blogger Dave August 12, 2018 10:34 AM  

Infowars has implemented a replacement for Disqus, bye-bye Disqus> http://vuukle.com/

vuukle works in Blogger, is this thing on?

Blogger Phelps August 12, 2018 11:17 AM  

Remember Digg.

Blogger The Kurgan August 12, 2018 11:51 AM  

And so what if he is?
Are you cucking so hard that you’re complaining about the unfairness of throwing the enemy’s grenades back at them instead of valiantly jumping on them?
Did your mommy rip off your testes in a rushed job of dressing you or did you cut them off yourself?

Blogger Al K. Annossow August 12, 2018 12:05 PM  

Things will move away from the social media and more toward personal media. Good and bad, no one will even be able to censor because it won't go thru centralized tech media, just generic cloud servers that promise that they are not listening. Everything gets more personal but restricted in distribution by default. You'll import feed lists from other people. Comments on vlogs and news will be shared only with people you've picked or are on lists of people you've imported rather than defaulting to everyone. Someone might make it onto an imported perv/stalker/Nazi/SJW list but it will be done by someone you chose. 5G telephones will result in moving from 2G and 3G social warfare to 4G.

Open source apps will let you consolidate any content from what you or your acquaintances choose rather than what is given by that old weird guy, Mark Zuckerberg (I bet he smells). Advertising and sales commissions will even be pushed down to any individual showing what they just bought and which others liked and/or bought. The spying on people will be related to tracking those low level commissions and on monetary tips to content providers.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 12, 2018 1:26 PM  

I recall an author- a deleterious woman whose name shall not be mentioned- did make one good point some years ago about a concept of "reputation management" taking over. That is, it got to be more about reputation and "optics" -there's that bowtie spirit again- than actual production or quality.
Social media has no product. The users are the product. And in the end the only people getting fooled are roughly 20 million bored office workers. The rest of the world does not care.
The emperor has no clothes. Social media moguls make a lot of big deal about their product but their product has nothing else. Social media is like a woman who cannot be a good wife and mother and not even a homemaker,having only a "hole" to offer the relationship. And their only power is to deny access to that hole.
Social media's only power is to ban. But it's actually a very limited power.
Perhaps the God-Emperor has not acted on these matters because to do so might lend more power to social media when in fact we need something to take even more power away from it?

Blogger InformationMerchant August 12, 2018 1:59 PM  

The social media bans won't really hurt him. The google ad ban that hit him about 18 months ago hurt him and if his shop is ddosed, that'll hurt him. (Hard to actually do that though, although he said his site was ddosed recently.)

The weird thing to me is Faith Goldy got a PayPal ban a month ago, yet Alex still has a shop. (Compare to AmRen's purge leaving them asking for letters containing checks or money orders.)

Blogger Jack Amok August 12, 2018 2:46 PM  

This is related - I checked out Oneway on recommendation of the Darkstream and wound up signing up.

So did I. Instead of a Captcha, it asked a math question 21+15 = ?

That right there will keep out a certain number of obnoxious persons. Probably cut down on the cat videos too.

The only problem is there are now a bunch of channels to check instead of one. That's time consuming and error prone. Well, maybe there's a solution to that too.

Blogger Al K. Annossow August 12, 2018 3:26 PM  

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Blogger Sam Sutherland August 12, 2018 10:50 PM  

I joined Oneway as well. I didn't realize it was so new. I was concerned when I saw that VD only had a handful of subscribers there. Got to figure out how the 'Campaigns' feature works!

Blogger Were-Puppy August 13, 2018 12:07 AM  

@20 Dave
No, rootman, you're missing the point. What if Alex somehow goaded these companies into mass banning him just when he was set to introduce his new app? He couldn't have paid for better publicity. Brilliant, right?
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I heard him admit to something like this Friday.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 13, 2018 12:09 AM  

@27 Meimou
@Dave

Ron Gibson, a channel who posted infowar podcast was also banned.
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Yep. And livestreams that mention Alex Jones are being wacked as well.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 15, 2018 2:34 PM  

#33

"I recall an author- a deleterious woman whose name shall not be mentioned- did make one good point some years ago about a concept of "reputation management" taking over. That is, it got to be more about reputation and "optics" -there's that bowtie spirit again- than actual production or quality.
Social media has no product. The users are the product."

To the user, communication pathways are the products.

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