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Wednesday, August 15, 2018

The pot, alarmed by the kettle

It's beyond ironic that Americans are supposed to be alarmed by China's global reach:
China is compiling a global registry of its ethnic minorities who have fled persecution, threatening to detain the families of those who don’t comply. The message: Nowhere is safe.

A major human rights crisis is unfolding in northwestern China, according to the United Nations, which said last week that there were credible reports that the Chinese government is holding one million or more ethnic minorities in secretive detention camps.

Yet even for those who have escaped China, surveillance and intimidation have followed. As part of a massive campaign to monitor and intimidate its ethnic minorities no matter where they are, Chinese authorities are creating a global registry of Uighurs who live outside of China, threatening to detain their relatives if they do not provide personal and identifying information to Chinese police. This campaign is now reaching even Uighurs who live in the United States.

A few months ago, Barna, who lives in a major U.S. city and requested that her real name not be revealed, received an odd message from her mother, who lives in China. Barna’s mother asked her to send her U.S. car license plate number, her phone number, her U.S. bank card number, and a photo of her ID card. Barna’s mother said that China is creating a new ID card system that includes all Chinese, even those who are abroad.
Unlike the USA, China doesn't tax its non-resident citizens. Unlike the USA, China doesn't have multiple global surveillance systems coordinated with four other countries spying on its citizens. Unlike the USA, China isn't threatening its nationals with foreign bank accounts with fines and criminal penalties. Unlike the USA, China is limiting its renditions to its own nationals. And unlike the USA, China isn't assassinating its own citizens around the world with drone strikes.

So, pardon me if I am neither surprised nor panicked by the news that China is beginning to engage in some of the same international activities as its global rival. It's particularly ironic when people post their concerns about Huawei technology being used to spy on its users, as they log into Facebook on their Google-powered smartphone.

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80 Comments:

Blogger Sherwood family August 15, 2018 8:19 AM  

Nailed it.

Blogger Shimshon August 15, 2018 8:23 AM  

Also, regardless, Barna has to go back.

Blogger Gettimothy August 15, 2018 8:36 AM  

Tom "let's be China for a day" Friedman What say you?

Blogger pyrrhus August 15, 2018 8:41 AM  

I'm much more alarmed by the fact that 3/4 of Nigerians would like to emigrate if they had the opportunity, and in 60 years Nigeria's population will be greater than all of Europe...http://www.unz.com/isteve/pew-about-half-or-more-in-several-sub-saharan-african-countries-would-move-to-another-country/

Blogger SmockMan August 15, 2018 8:47 AM  

Unlike the USA, China doesn't tax its non-resident citizens.

Skin in the game.

Blogger Dave August 15, 2018 8:53 AM  

The reason negative press is materializing on this issue for the Chinese is because their methods are too crude and overt. As the OP states, if all of this was being done in the guise of national security, fighting international terrorism, and the protection of their citizens, then nobody could cast stones at them.

How many realize less than a 100 years ago a passport wasn't even required to enter or leave the United States.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 15, 2018 8:54 AM  

Shimshon wrote:Also, regardless, Barna has to go back.

Doesn't have to go back, just has to go.

Blogger Phillip George August 15, 2018 8:54 AM  

When you turn on your computer always speak clearly into the microphone and say good morning to the NSA. Those guys must get tired of working in the dark all the time. They must want to come in from the cold occasionally. Re enter civilized society.

Maybe there'll be some career opportunities for "respectabel work" with SpaceForce. Actually hunt the badies.

Blogger Worlds Edge August 15, 2018 8:55 AM  

credible reports that the Chinese government is holding one million or more ethnic minorities in secretive detention camps.

I'm skeptical, given that there are fewer than 10 million Uyghurs in China in total. Unless this is a deliberate obfuscation and they're adding other minority groups to the mix, possibly?

Having said that, it is instructive to compare the way the Turkic Uyghur are treated relative to the also Muslim Chinese minority known as the Hui. The Hui might have some sort of non-Chinese admixture going way back, but in present time they look like Han Chinese, speak Mandarin or Cantonese as their first language and nowadays typically dress like Han Chinese. And they and their mosques are left largely in peace; in fact they're probably treated better than most Christian groups in China.

Good thing only white people can be racist, clearly. /s

Blogger widlast washere August 15, 2018 8:58 AM  

If I lived in Africa I'd want to leave also. The place is a sh!thole. Problem is Africa is a mess because of the people that live there, they just bring the mess with them. I can't imagine how the Europeans are dealing with a bunch of immigrants that are functionally retarded, have no skills, and have no concept of laws or obeying laws.

Blogger Brett baker August 15, 2018 9:15 AM  

Not very well, it sounds like.

Blogger Alphaeus August 15, 2018 9:19 AM  

So, everyone forgets how Globalists helped Mao and subverted Chiang Kai Shek and made sure that the communists took over China? Because the last thing the Globalists wanted was a non-communist Chinese republic?
I've known for a long time that the Globalists want to run the world the way that Red China is run, which is why the pots and the kettles are all so thickly encrusted with soot.

Blogger Resident Moron™ August 15, 2018 9:21 AM  

in 60 years Nigeria's population will be greater than all of Europe

Want to bet?

Coming back to China; nor have they involved themselves in decades of wars of choice in remote parts of the world, slaughtering millions of people to save them.

Note that the same people who mouth that obscene pretense simultaneously scoff and recoil in faux horror when the Church’s historic applications of the same principle are mentioned, even though the Church acted on a much tinier scale.

Blogger pyrrhus August 15, 2018 9:40 AM  

“in 60 years Nigeria's population will be greater than all of Europe”

Want to bet?

Actually no, I think starvation will head that off...but that is the current projection..Even 75% of the current population, however, would be a disaster...

Blogger paranoid August 15, 2018 10:02 AM  

Unlike China, USA doesn't run concentration camps. Unlike China, you can get some change(albeit not very big) via voting. Unlike China, USA doesn't treat prisoners as walking organ "donors". Unlike China, USA doesn't demolish hundreds of Churches and doesn't confiscate Bibles.

No idea why are you so defensive of this foreign regime, when it's way worse than USA(yes, even the current one, that is infested with egalitarian nutjobbery)

Blogger TheMaleRei August 15, 2018 10:05 AM  

China.

A nation-state that is ZFG as far as what the West or Progressivism thinks of it.

A people that is unashamed of its past, is proud of their traditions, and doesn't want to see them wiped away by foreign cultures.

A nation-state that would, in its current incarnation, never accept an immivasion - indeed, they are the ones doing such to Tibet - and the Western Media is deafeningly silent about it.

I would rather live in current day China over France.

I would never be Chinese or fully accepted by the locals or the culture, but one thing is certain, China would remain Chinese. I would know what to expect.

France will not remain French in ANY respect if things continue as they are...

Blogger Al Du Clur August 15, 2018 10:06 AM  

China has a lot of problems but it doesn't hate the heritage Chinese.

Blogger Kieran Ricci August 15, 2018 10:08 AM  

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Blogger TheMaleRei August 15, 2018 10:13 AM  

paranoid wrote:Unlike China, USA doesn't run concentration camps. Unlike China, you can get some change(albeit not very big) via voting. Unlike China, USA doesn't treat prisoners as walking organ "donors". Unlike China, USA doesn't demolish hundreds of Churches and doesn't confiscate Bibles.

No idea why are you so defensive of this foreign regime, when it's way worse than USA(yes, even the current one, that is infested with egalitarian nutjobbery)


Christianity has nothing to do with China.

If you remove Taoism, Buddism, etc from China, and replace them with Christianity - China would no longer be China. It would be something else.

Islam has nothing to do with China. Again, if you replace Taoism etc with Islam, China would become something else.

The Chinese nation-state is protecting itself from a foreign invasion-influence by combating both religions.

Organ harvesting, Social Currency, Zero Government Accountability - America has the latter two in its current incarnation - and honestly, sometimes I wish we would harvest the organs of some of our prisoners.

Blogger Shimshon August 15, 2018 10:16 AM  

@15 "No idea why are you so defensive of this foreign regime, when it's way worse than USA(yes, even the current one, that is infested with egalitarian nutjobbery)"

There's no defense. But there's no outrage either, which is the point. We don't care. China for the Chinese.

Blogger The Observer August 15, 2018 10:21 AM  

Organ harvesting, Social Currency, Zero Government Accountability - America has the latter two in its current incarnation - and honestly, sometimes I wish we would harvest the organs of some of our prisoners.

No organ harvesting? Anyone remember "I want my Lamborghini"?

Or the commercial uses of infant foreskins?

Blogger Garuna August 15, 2018 10:33 AM  

>No idea why are you so defensive of this foreign regime, when it's way worse than USA(yes, even the current one, that is infested with egalitarian nutjobbery
>yes, even the current one, that is infested with egalitarian nutjobbery
>EVEN with egalitarian nutjobbery


Imagine thinking that the worst deeds of the US Empire is just the "egalitarian nutjobbery". You're illiterate on this subject. Drop the posture.

Blogger paranoid August 15, 2018 10:39 AM  

@22
Yes. Foreign interventions are in major part cause of egalitarian nutjobbery too. Not brightest one, are you?

Blogger Dos Voltz August 15, 2018 10:46 AM  

Spot on, Vox.

One of the conditions of living in a fallen world is that even those of us who think "but we are the good guys" can be the worst. See how the USA sided with Stalin and the atheist Bolsheviks in WWII. A far worse evil than the Third Reich, IMHO. Dresden?

Our churches are thoroughly corrupted, all institutions now thoroughly corrupted. ESPECIALLY the ones that are "Christian" as they have always been the primary target.

Only a person gifted in lying to himself can believe the USA is now a force for good in the world, or resembles the republic of 1789 in any meaningful way at all.

Blogger TheMaleRei August 15, 2018 10:46 AM  

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Blogger TheMaleRei August 15, 2018 10:47 AM  

The Observer wrote:Organ harvesting, Social Currency, Zero Government Accountability - America has the latter two in its current incarnation - and honestly, sometimes I wish we would harvest the organs of some of our prisoners.

No organ harvesting? Anyone remember "I want my Lamborghini"?

Or the commercial uses of infant foreskins?


You are correct. I can't believe I forgot that. Thank you for reminding me - and dredging up the disgusting images in my brain. Man Alive.

Blogger Garuna August 15, 2018 10:49 AM  

Yes. Foreign interventions are in major part cause of egalitarian nutjobbery too. Not brightest one, are you?

Please go into the details of what "foreign intervention" entails. I want to know how it compares to the Chinese horrors of bible-confiscation that you bemoaned earlier.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer August 15, 2018 10:59 AM  

Unlike China, USA doesn't run concentration camps.

Sure we do. They are called prisons. Many are for profit and is slave labor.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 15, 2018 11:06 AM  

TheMaleRei wrote:China.

A nation-state that is ZFG as far as what the West or Progressivism thinks of it.


China is not a nation-state.

Blogger paranoid August 15, 2018 11:13 AM  

@27
It means invasions. And why do you want to compare bible confiscation with foreign intervention? Weird that you picked bible confiscation out of all my examples. Maybe because it was the lightest infraction from my list?

Blogger Azimus August 15, 2018 11:15 AM  

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Blogger L August 15, 2018 11:19 AM  

Just about all governments, and I'd say especially China's, would do (will do) every item on Vox's list if they had the resources.

Blogger Dos Voltz August 15, 2018 11:21 AM  

Also, the USA has re-education camps.

They're conveniently called "public schools" where all kinds of lies are presented as truth, and all timeless truths are presented as lies.

Blogger Garuna August 15, 2018 11:21 AM  

It means invasions. And why do you want to compare bible confiscation with foreign intervention? Weird that you picked bible confiscation out of all my examples. Maybe because it was the lightest infraction from my list?

The only important question here is why you refuse to go into details of what "foreign intervention" entails.

Blogger pyrrhus August 15, 2018 11:35 AM  

"China is not a nation-state."

China is an ethno-State for the Han Chinese...All others live on sufferance..The best kind of nation state...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 15, 2018 11:38 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:China is an ethno-State for the Han Chinese...All others live on sufferance..The best kind of nation state...


China is a unitary empire. An empire is the mere opposite of a nation state.

Blogger pyrrhus August 15, 2018 11:40 AM  

As I recall, the Islamics got a little sporty in central China some time ago...The Han don't tolerate sporty from their minorities, and it was brutally repressed..Curiously little reporting of that episode, in China or the West...

Blogger pyrrhus August 15, 2018 11:44 AM  

@36 The only part of China you can call part of an Empire is Tibet...A nation is people, and China is more than 80% Han...China also considers Han Chinese anywhere in the world to be citizens, so part of the nation.

Blogger Alphaeus August 15, 2018 11:45 AM  

"A people that is unashamed of its past, is proud of their traditions, and doesn't want to see them wiped away by foreign cultures."

You'd think this was the case, but, how then do we explain Mao's Cultural Revolution? The Chinese communist scum bags expended a lot of energy and spilled a lot of Chinese blood in their attempt to wipe out China's past, all 5 thousand years of it. Have the communists given up on that, or are they biding their time waiting for their chance to finish the job?

Blogger ADU August 15, 2018 11:47 AM  

But Chinese Han migration is about 'dreamers' spreading 'diversity' and 'inclusion' among the xenophobic Uighurs.

Blogger Alphaeus August 15, 2018 11:54 AM  

"It means invasions. And why do you want to compare bible confiscation with foreign intervention?"

Bible confiscation is always bad. Foreign intervention is an open question which depends on the circumstances. The problem with most foreign interventions committed by the US lately is they have not been done with the interests of the US in mind, but instead rather the invasions occur in order to strengthen the Globalist's Brave New World Order and to advance it's evil wicked interests.

Blogger TheMaleRei August 15, 2018 11:55 AM  

@39

In my opinion, the government in China is more nationalistic than communistic in nature - they have a stock market, in one example - I don't think there was a functioning stock market in any of the Warsaw Pact nations.

Mao was a bloodthirsty pedo sociopath who wanted to sate his lust for murder and suffering, and to make certain there were no threats to his regime.

I think the survivors of his purges know Marx leads to mass graves, and while they may not be shy about filling mass graves, they'd rather it not be their own people for little to no gain. And let's be honest, the Cultural Revolution and such evil madness stunted China to a degree that is difficult to calculate fully.

I'm certain there are Maoist whack jobs still in China, but I don't think the current leadership wants to throw all the progress China has made in the past twenty to thirty years only to return to the nightmare of the 1960's.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer August 15, 2018 12:06 PM  

I bet China will still exist in a another 1000 years.

The us empire is collapsing before our eyes in real time.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 15, 2018 12:06 PM  

@9

Good thing only white people can be racist, clearly

Only white people can be "racist" -- because "racism" is an intrinsically anti-white concept.

Group identity, in-group loyalty, and distrust of outgroups are fine for non-whites. They're only pathological for Whitey. The concept of "racism" unavoidably evokes a narrative that casts whites as the villains; collectively guilty of a secular original sin that is specific to their people.

The shitlibs are right on this one. Only whites can be "racist" -- because "racist" is simply a pejorative term for white.

Blogger Alphaeus August 15, 2018 12:15 PM  

"Mao was a bloodthirsty pedo sociopath who wanted to sate his lust for murder and suffering, and to make certain there were no threats to his regime."

Yes, so, how did a nation and people that cherish their identity and history empower and follow a sick son of a bitch who tried to destroy their history and identity? And why won't it happen again?

Blogger MrNiceguy August 15, 2018 12:24 PM  

Our government outsourced organ harvesting to Planned Parenthood

Blogger pyrrhus August 15, 2018 12:34 PM  

" how then do we explain Mao's Cultural Revolution? The Chinese communist scum bags expended a lot of energy and spilled a lot of Chinese blood in their attempt to wipe out China's past, all 5 thousand years of it."

And failed..But ultimately, all centralized governments eventually get leaders who wipe out large numbers of their own people for no benefit. e.g. Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam, 1965 Immigration Act, etc.
The difference is that China and Japan are ethno-states with ancient cultures and genes adapted to those cultures. They'll recover, whereas America will not, although pieces of it may...

Blogger TheMaleRei August 15, 2018 12:40 PM  

@45

Mass insanity infected the population, alien space bats - no idea why they went full retard viz-a-viz Mao.

And why won't it happen again? As far as I'm concerned, it may as well be a cycle-of-history thing and thus will happen again at some point.

But China is still China, even after Mao. It survived Mao and his flunkies.

France will not be France after the globalists and progressives and socialists are done with it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 15, 2018 1:01 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:The only part of China you can call part of an Empire is Tibet...A nation is people, and China is more than 80% Han...China also considers Han Chinese anywhere in the world to be citizens, so part of the nation.
Only because the Han redefine all other remotely related cultures as Han. Manchus are not Han, Hakka are not Han, etc. Secondly, virtually all of Western and Southern China is conquered territory populated by subject ethnics.
China is an empire.

Blogger James Dixon August 15, 2018 1:01 PM  

OT, the Trumpslide cometh: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/08/historic-donald-trump-approval-ratings-with-blacks-hits-31-up-13-points-in-one-year/

Blogger Alphaeus August 15, 2018 1:06 PM  

"The difference is that China and Japan are ethno-states with ancient cultures and genes adapted to those cultures. They'll recover, whereas America will not, although pieces of it may.."

I tend to agree, but, I'm afraid that this tends to support the contention of the civic faux-nationalists that America really is a proposition nation, because if it wasn't it would not have been so easily destroyed but instead would have been more like China and Japan.

Blogger I DontTroll August 15, 2018 1:08 PM  

Related: Stefan Molyneux's YouTube channel is on the verge of deletion with two strikes in 24 hours.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1029745238355652613

Blogger pyrrhus August 15, 2018 1:11 PM  

"Mass insanity infected the population, alien space bats - no idea why they went full retard viz-a-viz Mao."

Teenagers are nuts...But Abolitionists in the 1850s were quite similar, willing to kill anyone they suspected of disagreeing with them, and ultimately with similar results. Between the Civil War and the famine that resulted from it, more than 10% of the US population died.

Blogger Peaceful Poster August 15, 2018 1:24 PM  

@51 Alphie - I'm afraid that this tends to support the contention of the civic faux-nationalists that America really is a proposition nation

America is an ethnostate, but no longer recognizable due to massive foreign invasion.

Blogger Alphaeus August 15, 2018 1:27 PM  

"America is an ethnostate, but no longer recognizable due to massive foreign invasion."

And I'm suggesting we never was no ethnostate and that's why we were so easily destroyed, unlike China and Japan.

Blogger Lurker August 15, 2018 1:59 PM  

"The shitlibs are right on this one. Only whites can be "racist" -- because "racist" is simply a pejorative term for white."


No the shitlibs are not right. Why are you agreeing with them? Do you want to be brainwashed too? The main problem is the WHITE enemy within, the lefTARD aka the white nigger which was created by goobermints foreign and domestic.

Blogger Patrick Kelly August 15, 2018 2:02 PM  

America could have become an ethnostate from a merged population of predominately northwestern European ancestry. Instead it drove headlong off a cliff into the abyss of a multicultural republic, then empire.

China is an empire, but it is effectively ruled by a dominant ethnonation.

Blogger tublecane August 15, 2018 2:08 PM  

@Alpaeus- It weren't so easy. Required hundreds of years. Which I'll grant is a lot shorter than China's thousands. But, you know, modernity. It's good at accelerating insanity.

The fact that China could emerge from nightmares like the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution more intact than we the LBJ administration does not in itself determine whether one or the other was an ethnostate "all along."

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 15, 2018 2:13 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Only because the Han redefine all other remotely related cultures as Han. Manchus are not Han, Hakka are not Han, etc.

I always figured that the remotely related cultures called themselves Han, because among the Han if you ain't Han you ain't nuthin. I may have had the causation backwards, I suppose. In support of my theory, the Koreans, who definitely aren't Han, call themselves the Han Gook - everyone wants to be Han!

I do know that modern Hakka insist they are Han. Their history certainly suggests they aren't like the other Han.

Blogger tublecane August 15, 2018 2:17 PM  

@Patrick Kelly- Northwest European is not an ethnicity. America only makes sense as a nation with Founding Stock in control. That means WASPs with the whip hand.

They let go, because they were too weak.

Blogger Brian Dean August 15, 2018 2:26 PM  

The Uighurs are mostly Muslim with some being extremeists. The Chinese government is doing this to crack down on radical Islam. They also tend to be kind of white.

Blogger tublecane August 15, 2018 2:31 PM  

@pyrrhus- In order to understand your point, people have to think proportionately. Which they don't. There may be some truth to the idea that 65 million deaths compared to hundreds of thousands is worse no matter what the share of the total population. However, we must think relativistically to understand what a disaster was the Civil War and its aftermath. Most people aren't capable of that.

Plus, no one is taught about abolitionist terrorism outside of John Brown and maybe Bloody Kansas. The South is the Bad Guy, and they can't have had any legitimate reason to leave the union. Therefore, the abolitionist threat must have been a figment of their imaginations.

Similarly, freeing the slaves was a good thing, therefore we must not be allowed to know about the horrible fate of any former slaves left to fend for themselves. (Unless it's to bemoan the absence of a welfare state.)

Moreover, we must assume propensities for crime amongst the races are equivalent absent social differences. So all the lynchings before, during, and after the war were pure terrorism on the part of the Southern man. And the chaos and lawlessness following the war couldn't have had anything to do with the upswing in extrajudicial murders. That was just irrational bloodlust, or something.

Blogger Patrick Kelly August 15, 2018 2:33 PM  

tublecane wrote:@Patrick Kelly- Northwest European is not an ethnicity. America only makes sense as a nation with Founding Stock in control. That means WASPs with the whip hand.

They let go, because they were too weak.


Anglo and Saxon at one time were completely separate peoples in NW Europe. Over time a people identified as Anglo-Saxon were formed from them, different and separate from their components. Becoming predominantly Protestant was an even later occurrence.

A similar mixing and formation of an even newer ethno-nation within the borders of the US should have occurred. It didn't.

Blogger Avalanche August 15, 2018 2:41 PM  

@10 "I can't imagine how the Europeans are dealing with a bunch of immigrants that are functionally retarded, have no skills, and have no concept of laws or obeying laws."

Uh, same way we are?! Pretending they can and will somehow fit into an advanced literate technological society based in Greco-Roman philosophy, Christianity, and European bloodlines?!

That is: NOT AT ALL!

Blogger Avalanche August 15, 2018 2:48 PM  

@37 "The Han don't tolerate sporty from their minorities, and it was brutally repressed.. Curiously little reporting of that episode, in China or the West..."

We used to not tolerate sporty from our original (two) minorities. Then "we" caught the lib-prog-comm disease, and now "we" support and excuse the sportiness as cultural and appropriate, and indeed, as deserved by those 'sported' against!

Blogger Dirk Manly August 15, 2018 2:51 PM  

@6

"How many realize less than a 100 years ago a passport wasn't even required to enter or leave the United States."

To leave the U.S., the U.S. has no say on whether you need a passport or not -- that is solely at the discretion of the country you are travelling to. For example, Canada has never required U.S. citizens to have a passport to enter, as long as the border officials believe that you ARE a U.S. citizen.

Coming home, the U.S. has a right of return rule -- if you are a U.S. citizen, regardless of whether you have a passport or not, if the official believes (through questioning and evidence you provide) that you are a U.S. citizen, you'll be allowed back in. Bringing along a birth certificate and a U.S. or state or locally issued picture I.D. is sufficient. A passport merely speeds up the process, as it is proof (as opposed to indicator) of U.S. citizenship.

Now, if you're on a wanted list at the federal level, or locally (say, if Detroit PD or Wayne County wants you, and you're entering the country at either of the Detroit-Windsor crossings), you WILL be admitted into the country, but you'll also be detained while whatever agency wants you can come pick you up. If it's federal, the U.S. Marshalls will most likely be the ones to pick you up, or whatever agency has jurisdiction over whatever criminal charge was the basis for your arrest warrant.

On the other hand, if you're wanted, by say, the Kansas City Police Department, the Detroit port of entry officials will simply advise you that there is a warrant for your arrest, and what jurisdiction issued it.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 15, 2018 2:56 PM  

@8

"When you turn on your computer always speak clearly into the microphone and say good morning to the NSA. Those guys must get tired of working in the dark all the time. They must want to come in from the cold occasionally. Re enter civilized society.

Maybe there'll be some career opportunities for "respectabel work" with SpaceForce. Actually hunt the badies."

Careful now.

NSA is allied with MilIntel against the CIA and deep state and international deep state.

Is NSA intrusive?
Yes

Are they out to screw with you?
Nope -- they have far bigger fish to fry.

ONCE the Illuminati-types from around the world are all rounded up, THEN we can (and MUST) start putting some blinds on the NSA.

Right now, the NSA is doing the Lord's work.

Where do you think Q is getting all of his photographic information from? Most all of it is NSA digging into bad-guys' cell phone photo albums.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 15, 2018 3:41 PM  

Patrick Kelly wrote:A similar mixing and formation of an even newer ethno-nation within the borders of the US should have occurred. It didn't.
England was NEVER a nation-state. Even in Anglo-Saxon times, it took 600 years of almost constant invasion and warfare to achieve what little ethno-nationalism they had. And even then, the Danes, the Norse and the Welsh held large areas of the country. One of the reasons Harold couldn't fight off William's forces is that he had just fought the army of the Norse king Harald Hardrada at the battle of Stamford Bridge. He had to force-march his troops to Hastings to meet William.
It was only after the Norman conquest that Anglo/Saxon/Norse/Danish/Celtic culture of the Midlands and the Fens could solidify into what we now call Anglo-Saxon..

Blogger tublecane August 15, 2018 3:42 PM  

"at one time"

Yeah, prior to the 6th century. They had 500 years together (along with indigenous Britons) before the Norman invasion, then another 700 years before the American Revolution.

Before they came together, they were both Germanic tribes, ethnically very similar. It wasn't like bringing together the English, Irish, Scottish, French, Germans, Scandanavians, and so forth. They were NEVER going to form one ethnic American identity. Not over the period of time in question, with modernity.

Though they do fit better together than the same groups do with Spaniards or Italians or Russians or Jews, it's not close enough.

Blogger Patrick Kelly August 15, 2018 3:43 PM  

@66 RE: passports and Canada.

Have you recently tried putting this into practice by entering Canada without a passport and re-entry back into the US? I don't think what you describe is the case now.

Blogger Patrick Kelly August 15, 2018 3:47 PM  

"They were NEVER going to form one ethnic American identity. Not over the period of time in question, with modernity.

Though they do fit better together than the same groups do with Spaniards or Italians or Russians or Jews, it's not close enough.

That being the case, then a "white" American ethnostate was and is practically impossible. How about that.

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas August 15, 2018 4:40 PM  

"Please go into the details of what "foreign intervention" entails. I want to know how it compares to the Chinese horrors of bible-confiscation that you bemoaned earlier."

Why wouldn't we just compare US foreign intervention to Chinese foreign intervention, apples to apples?

Or are we reading from the People's History Book, where the country that has destabilized, invaded, and subverted all of its neighbors for the last 50 years (actually it goes back centuries) is "non-interventionist"?

Blogger Dirk Manly August 15, 2018 4:47 PM  

@12

"So, everyone forgets how Globalists helped Mao and subverted Chiang Kai Shek and made sure that the communists took over China? Because the last thing the Globalists wanted was a non-communist Chinese republic? "

(((Globalists)))

Mao's closest advisors were all Jewish.
Now wonder he slaughtered 50,000,000 fellow Chinese. The Peasant-King was merely doing what his (((advisors))) told him to do.


http://www.jewwatch.com/china.html

Mao's Jews
http://jewishjournal.com/news/world/179731/

https://www.haaretz.com/the-jews-who-fought-with-mao-1.5272071

https://www.blakkpepper.com/2016/05/jews-behind-the-rise-to-power-of-mao-tse-tung-in-china-who-murdered-80-million-countrymen/

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas August 15, 2018 5:04 PM  

The Chinese were acting like Jews long before they had any Jews around.

They were living with the Moros and trading in Christian Filipino slaves hundreds of years ago, before the evil Americans shut it down.

Even Jose Rizal, the half-Chinese Filipino revolutionary, hated the Chinese merchants in the Philippines.

Today, ethnic Chinese control the economy of every country in Southeast Asia. Because of their super duper high IQs, of course. It's only coincidence that Chinese foreign policy has destabilized these countries for decades.

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas August 15, 2018 5:15 PM  

China is also obsessed with comfort women, the opium wars, etc. but creates an international incident if, say, Cambodia brings up China's backing of the Khmer Rouge, which was only 50 years ago.

Remind you of anyone?

Diane Feinstein's Chinese spy staffer is now working to "educate" people in California about comfort women. I heard there were 6 million.

Blogger tublecane August 15, 2018 5:50 PM  

@71- "White nationalism" in the sense of a collection of white people with nothing further in common is indeed impossible. Only fools believe in it.

A multiethnic empire of various kinds of whites would be preferable to what we have now, however.

Blogger tublecane August 15, 2018 5:52 PM  

@71- But an ethnostate we nearly had, with a government formed and run in the interest of a group of founders mostly--though not entire-- the same ethnicity.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 15, 2018 6:44 PM  

@36

"
You'd think this was the case, but, how then do we explain Mao's Cultural Revolution? The Chinese communist scum bags expended a lot of energy and spilled a lot of Chinese blood in their attempt to wipe out China's past, all 5 thousand years of it. Have the communists given up on that, or are they biding their time waiting for their chance to finish the job?"

Explanation is simple:

Mao's CLOSEST (((advisors))):
Israel Epstein
Solomon Adler
Virginius Frank Coe
Sidney Rittenberg
Elsie Fairfax-Cholmeley
Sidney Shapiro

There's a studio portrait photograph floating around (can't find it), of Mao and his team of advisors. In the center, of course, is Mao. Immediately surrounding Mao are those 6 Jews. The remainder (all Chinese) are scattered around the periphery of the frame (fully within the frame, but purposely placed some distance away from Mao, while the 6 Jews are all within touching distance to choke-hold close.

Blogger SirHamster August 15, 2018 9:42 PM  

TheMaleRei wrote:Christianity has nothing to do with China.

If you remove Taoism, Buddism, etc from China, and replace them with Christianity - China would no longer be China. It would be something else.



Buddhism isn't Chinese. It's Indian.

Don't see why China can't be Christianized. There will be differences, but if you think Buddhist China is Chinese, Christian China will be Chinese.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia August 16, 2018 4:27 PM  

VD wrote:

Unlike the USA, China doesn't tax its non-resident citizens. Unlike the USA, China doesn't have multiple global surveillance systems coordinated with four other countries spying on its citizens. Unlike the USA, China isn't threatening its nationals with foreign bank accounts with fines and criminal penalties. Unlike the USA, China is limiting its renditions to its own nationals. And unlike the USA, China isn't assassinating its own citizens around the world with drone strikes.

All true, but patience, give those Chinamen some time, why doncha? Anyway, they're busy trying to manage their Uigur concentration camps and stealing software and assorted IP from innovative Western sources because the Han genome is missing the particular allele for inventiveness.

VD wrote:

So, pardon me if I am neither surprised nor panicked by the news that China is beginning to engage in some of the same international activities as its global rival. It's particularly ironic when people post their concerns about Huawei technology being used to spy on its users, as they log into Facebook on their Google-powered smartphone.

Consider yourself pardoned.

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