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Wednesday, August 15, 2018

Vatican 3.0

Either reverse Vatican II and clear out the Satanists and the homosexuals or shut the whole damn thing down. The Catholic Church, as an institution, has been given over to evil:
The long-awaited state grand jury report into sexual abuse in six Pennsylvania dioceses, including Pittsburgh and Greensburg, has finally been released.

The 884-page document, two years in the making, shines a light into the dark corners of these dioceses going back seven decades, exposing the predators and the efforts of their bishops to protect them.

“Today, the most comprehensive report on child sexual abuse within the church ever produced in our country was released,” Attorney General Josh Shapiro said. “Pennsylvanians can finally learn the extent of sexual abuse in these dioceses. For the first time, we can all begin to understand the systematic cover up by church leaders that followed. The abuse scarred every diocese. The cover up was sophisticated. The church protected the institution at all costs.”

The report begins with the following statement:

“We, the members of this grand jury, need you to hear this. We know some of you have head some of it before. There have been other reports about child sex abuse within the Catholic Church. But never on this scale. For many of us, those earlier stories happened someplace else, someplace away. Now we know the truth: it happened everywhere.”

The report cites 301 priests, clergy and lay teachers with credible allegations against them. There are 99 in the Diocese of Pittsburgh alone.
I'm not a Catholic, but if I was, I would have left some time ago. Jesus Christ is not a Man-made institution and any so-called "church" that hides the truth in order to "protect the institution" does not have the Truth in it. Indeed, now that we know that globalism is neo-Babelism and we can identify the fruits of Vatican II, the idea that the current Vatican is the Whore of Babylon is considerably more credible than it was back in the days of the Know-Nothings.

And yes, any Protestant church or denomination or institution that is institutionally guilty of the same sins should be burned down too.

If you're a Roman Catholic member of Vatican 2.0, don't try to defend this massive and cancerous evil in your midst. Either fix it with Vatican 3.0 or leave. If you try to defend the institution, then you are doing no better than the church leaders who are guilty of this systematic cover up. Don't be a part of the evil.

“For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
- Matthew 18:20

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Blogger Matt August 15, 2018 5:53 AM  

I don't often get chills when reading the details of a criminal report.

Blogger James Dixon August 15, 2018 6:03 AM  

While I hate to say it, I would pretty much guarantee the something similar is true of the Episcopal Church in the US over the past 50 or so years.

Blogger Jack August 15, 2018 6:03 AM  

I recently read the book Lucifer's Lodge: Satanic Ritual Abuse in the Catholic Church by William Kennedy. One of the interesting and disgusting things I learned is that the "spiritual father" of NAMBLA was a Catholic priest named Paul Shanley.

The author of the book died at age 49 shortly after publishing the book, and there doesn't seem to be an explanation as to how or why.

https://archive.org/details/pdfy-jE87IzV9MFhV07FV

Blogger Amy August 15, 2018 6:03 AM  

*sigh*

No defense to offer. I was confirmed by archbishop McCarrick when he was presiding over my diocese. I get a little creeped now when I think on it.

I am a cradle catholic and a sex abuse survivor. I cannot abandon the Holy Church, but I can turn my back on the men who would make her a whore.

As for my place in the fight, it is with the children. Teaching, being an example, keeping old traditions alive. We no longer attend mass, and there are no opportunities for old rite Latin mass in my area. It’s a sin, but what I hear from the pulpit...maybe that is worse. My parish wants to host Eid al Fitr for our “Muslim friends” as one priest calls them. The Episcopal Church is already doing so, so we need to step up why?

This business of being Christian in America! But wherever two or three are gathered in His name...I’ll find my people. The Vatican can burn with all of its treasures and power. Christ won’t abandon the Church.

Blogger Shimshon August 15, 2018 6:22 AM  

301 priests out of how many? At what point does NAPALT cease to be a valid (rhetorical) argument? It already sounds like a majority of Priests Are Like That. I bet they would've gone beyond 70 years if they could have, but the perpetrators, accomplices, and victims going that far back are all dead.

Blogger MontyJ August 15, 2018 6:23 AM  

You ever notice how the media likes to prop up the Catholic scandal as a distraction every time the goyim start asking too many questions about Hollywood? I'm not surprised this is being heavily publicized in the wake of the revelations from Isaac Kappy and all the colorful news about James Gunn. Also, given the history of false accusations in Pittsburgh and the know collusion between the DA's office and activist groups like SNAP, I think I'll refrain from joining in the hand-wringing for now.

http://www.themediareport.com/?s=pittsburgh

Blogger Durandel August 15, 2018 6:23 AM  

Faithful Catholics don’t defend this, they want a purge. The homosexual infiltration was started by Stalin and no one bothered to investigate. Former president of the American Communist party, Bella Dodd, testified to congress and wrote a book where she mentions she helped get over 1100 Communist, mostly gay men, into the seminaries of the USA....so there should be an assumption that other IS parties in other countries followed similar orders. Watching the current scandals in Chile and Australia indicate as much. The infiltration was done in the 20s/30s....so these men and their gay recruits inflicted Vatican II on the Church and used it to further capture the Church.

With Cardinal McCarick’s exposure and sacking, trad Catholic groups like Lifesite and Church Militant kickstarted an online #CatholicMeToo movement to get clergy and laity to write in and report on their own experiences and to publicly swamp the bishops, especially Cardinal Wuerl who is implicated heavily in that above report. To those interested, especially Catholics, I suggest you check those websites out and the others who are going to protest at the upcoming bishops meeting in Baltimore.

The capture of the Church is a mirror of the capture of the West. Rotten people captured this institution and good people refused to stop it or police it. But unlike Man made institutions, the Catholic Church is not man-made, but founded by Christ through his apostles. We can’t abandon her and build a parallel institution until the day we see Satan prevail and he ends the Catholic Church fully as we know it. Until then, Catholics and those willing to help need to storm the battlements and throw out the little devils who are stinking up the place.

Right now, we need Catholics to see this filth, along with other scandals such as in Sacramento and Lincoln right now. Just as many people are blind to the lies of the fake news media, Hollywood and the Left, many Catholics are unaware of the Crisis (we also have our own fake news outlets: NCR and America being the chief culprits). We also need to push our states to issue similar investigations, as will hopefully happen in Texas, to shine a light on the darkness that is this homoheresy. Peronist Francis won’t fix this, he’s a part of this, so we can’t wait for the Inquistors and the Crusaders to be decreed from Rome. Just get the ball rolling now and send as many of these false shepherds into jail as we can. And light a fire under the bishops to kick out every gay priest and to stop taking in gay men.

Blogger MontyJ August 15, 2018 6:29 AM  

And while we're on the subject, the media has always been more than willing to give a free pass to fags and Jews (or Jewish faggots like Barney Frank) when it comes to sexual impropriety.

"The Boston Globe has a long history of taking a relaxed attitude to child sex molestation by favoured groups and minorities. Back in the seventies, in the Boston Revere district, two dozen men were sentenced to probation after being convicted of molesting 63 boys. Assistant District Attorney Thomas Butters said their crimes were analogous to female prostitution as there was no evidence of coercion. One of the convicted men was Donald M Allen, a prominent psychiatrist and pediatrician as well as an instructor at Harvard Law School.

This was happening at the same time as the priest abuse that the Globe so assiduously resurrected decades later. Yet there was no call to reopen this case, no outcry from the Globe at why these men did not have to spend even a day behind bars for child rape. At the time the paper’s attitude was quite the opposite. The Globe published an article from a prominent Methodist minister and social sciences professor Thomas Reeves in which he called the Revere convictions a “witch hunt” against gays.

Reeves went on to found the notorious North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) which campaigned for the abolition of age of consent laws and celebrated gay sex between men and boys. In effect, the Globe had enabled Reeves to re-package the Revere child sex rings as a homosexual civil rights issue.

In 1983 the people of Massachusetts’ 12th Congressional District elected Gerry Studds. He celebrated his win by having sex with a school-age male page after plying him with alcohol. It was a straightforward abuse of power but, helped by the Globe, Studds managed to make the issue not about sexual abuse but about the challenges that an openly gay Congressman had to face. Again it was reframed as a homosexual rights issue. What did the Globe do? It endorsed him for re-election in 1984."

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/06/14/spotlight-on-double-standards-at-the-boston-globe/

Blogger Durandel August 15, 2018 6:30 AM  

@Shimshon - I forget the guy’s name, but he was an appointee of the USCCB to help investigate the sexual misconduct in the USA Church. He said in an interview I think with Michael Voris, that when he would ask the bishops in little 1:1 meetings if they wanted him to figure out the number of gay priests, he said they always danced away from the subject. In other words, they never wanted an official report stating the number.

An anonymous poll by the LA times places the percentage around 15%. Other sources suggest - range of 10-60%. Fr. Darius Oko, a polish priest, did his own report and said places in the West, like the USA, are probably closer to 50% than to the lower end of 10%.

Even if it is 15%, that’s about ten times above the rate for the general population.

And everyone here understands group identity politics by now.

Blogger Mr. B.A.D. August 15, 2018 6:30 AM  

I've noticed a trend of Roman Catholics converting to Orthodoxy. I personally dont expect any change for the better with the RC as long as Commie-Pope is on the throne.

Blogger Lazarus August 15, 2018 6:31 AM  

Durandel wrote:We can’t abandon her and build a parallel institution until the day we see Satan prevail and he ends the Catholic Church fully as we know it. Until then, Catholics and those willing to help need to storm the battlements and throw out the little devils who are stinking up the place.

Rev. 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;

Notice the message is to leave, not attempt to reform or purge.

Blogger Unknown August 15, 2018 6:31 AM  

Anne Barnhardt is not surprised in the least. She has been on a tear against the pedos and homosexuals in the church for a decade at least.

Blogger I’ve Seen Things You People August 15, 2018 6:33 AM  

Burn it all down.

Blogger Republican Mother August 15, 2018 6:45 AM  

Father Malachi Martin's Art Bell interviews and his book, Windswept House are more relevant than ever.

I can tell you in my wanderings through the Baptist denomination, there is a lot of sex abuse going on here as well. Not being as organized as the Catholic church, it is brushed under the rug, and will be seen as isolated events to those who hear tell of it.

I am now looking at the home fellowship movement, not just because of perverts running amok in institutional church, but because of the false gospel of progressive justification taught in all the churches around me.

Blogger DonReynolds August 15, 2018 6:47 AM  

My family does not include any Roman Catholics and over the centuries, there has been a lot of bad blood between my family and the Roman church, but I hasten to add that I take no grim satisfaction from what is happening. It hurts my heart as much as anything to live to hear any of it. I know Roman Catholics are not like this and it hurts them greatly as well. This is their church and they are determined to keep it holy. I also know the protestants have the same problem. Perhaps worse or perhaps not as bad, no one can say for certain, so we should not say.

But I can say I share the sorrow and the regret that any of it happened and hope there might be some measure of justice in the world, regardless of church. I can say there are good and decent people who are Roman Catholic and they would never be in support of what has happened, most especially the coverup.

I hope that God's Mercy is extended to every family touched by this human tragedy and everyone find the strength, through Jesus Christ, to endure it and put a stop to it.

Blogger Prionyx August 15, 2018 6:52 AM  

Last week, there was a post on The Market Ticker about the dangers of Big Data in which Karl linked to the blog of a Priest who explains how the Church has kept the lid on this. There were three parts:

https://epiphanytampa.weebly.com/pastors-bulletin-article/why-dont-the-priests-blow-the-whistle
https://epiphanytampa.weebly.com/pastors-bulletin-article/how-bad-could-the-blackmail-be
https://epiphanytampa.weebly.com/pastors-bulletin-article/an-apocalyptic-pandemic


Blogger Aeoli August 15, 2018 6:54 AM  

The first step is to stop running away.

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 6:56 AM  

You ever notice how the media likes to prop up the Catholic scandal as a distraction every time the goyim start asking too many questions about Hollywood?

Do you ever notice that evil Catholics attempt to change the subject to Hollywood, or Jews, or Protestant ministers, or public school teachers rather than CLEANING THEIR OWN FUCKING HOUSE?

Your institution is corrupt, evil, and guilty beyond any shadow of a doubt. So stop trying to point fingers elsewhere or claiming that everyone else does it too. No one is going to be fooled or distracted.

Blogger JC August 15, 2018 6:59 AM  

I am a Catholic and I want a massive purge and a return to what it was before Vatican II. I was born well after that council. I became Catholic in 2016 and I have been constantly angered by what I have seen. The rot in the church is tremendous. Not just in the priesthood but throughout Catholic education, charities... everywhere. If it is necessary that there is little to nothing left of the church so that it should be pure, then so be it. If it truly is the Bride of Christ then it will survive and be all the more beautiful because of it.

Blogger Sherwood family August 15, 2018 7:07 AM  

Tough work. But we gotta root them out regardless of the organization we may find them in. This post points out the Catholic Church. I have several Catholic friends who are disgusted by this and want to literally burn these guys to death. We all have to look at the organizations we are a part of. When we find anything equivalent we should forcibly eject the perpetrators, prosecute them to the full extent of the law, and establish methods/protocols to make sure nothing like this happens again.

Blogger Avalanche August 15, 2018 7:11 AM  

@6 "Catholic scandal as a distraction every time the goyim start asking too many questions about Hollywood?"

Dja never notice how it is also raised every time sexual abuse in the synagogue is raised?

Blogger MontyJ August 15, 2018 7:14 AM  

You know Vox, for someone who likes to talk about how the media can't be trusted, you're awfully credulous when it comes to the media's anti-Catholic narrative. Priests are already less likely to abuse then the general population, and the bulk of accusations are from decades ago, and the majority of them are false or politically motivated. This is a documented fact. This just isn't the problem the media wants it to be, and the only reason they kick it up is so the media can have a smokescreen to distract from (((other demographics))). You want to talk about a cover up? Talk about how your Zionist buddies in Israel are still running child sex slave rings.

Blogger Paul Sacramento August 15, 2018 7:19 AM  

I am a Catholic, an "Old Catholic" since I left the Roman Catholic church when I realized that it cared more about the institution than the actual Body of Christ that is ALL believers.
The RCC has become all that it shouldn't be and I don't think that it can be saved in its present state or that it needs to be. It is a symbol of the axiom that "absolute power corrupts absolutely".
The real issue isn't that sexual abuse existed, it exists in every profession.
The real issue for the Church is the massive cover up when what it should have done was be the enforcing arm of the Justice of God.
It failed miserably in the one thing it should always do: Protect the followers of Christ.

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 7:20 AM  

You're done here, MontyJ. I don't permit liars and pedo-defenders to comment here.

And you are both.

All of your future comments will be deleted by the moderators.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer August 15, 2018 7:22 AM  

OT: I've been wanting to ask this question to the vile minions for a while. I am looking for a church here in Boise. Does anyone have any recommendations? What should I look for regarding whether a church is pozzed? I went to the Cathedral idf the Rockies, (methodist) and well the sermon gave me the feeling it was pozzed.

Thanks.

Blogger Sherwood family August 15, 2018 7:23 AM  

We all have to clean the inside of our own cups before starting on anyone else. We have to deal with the evil where we are. Telescopic inquisitions, like telescopic philanthropy, leave problems we can actually do something about untouched. We have to put our own houses in order.

Blogger Avalanche August 15, 2018 7:27 AM  

@18 Do you ever notice that evil Catholics attempt to change the subject to Hollywood, or Jews, or Protestant ministers, or public school teachers rather than CLEANING THEIR OWN FUCKING HOUSE?

I'm not an evil Catholic: I can't be one cause I'm not even slightly Catholic. And I'm certainly not supporting Monty's slam in @22!

However, I don't think any Catholic, or anyone else here, is denying their own house is corrupted. And this hoped-for cleaning house of that Church -- or at least this new plan showing where a large amount of the 'dirt' is, so the cleaners know where to start burning it with fire -- is not hidden or minimized by pointing out the other 'rooms' that need cleansing fire.

Pointing out (((who it is))) that is always raising media hell about specifically this church, while pointing AWAY from their own room's filth should not hide both the filth in this room, nor the attempt by the owner of the other rooms to deflect attention from THEIR filth. No?

Blogger DJT August 15, 2018 7:27 AM  

The Roman Church has been a mess since at least the 1300s, but in many ways since the 800s, when the heresy of filioquism started to creep in. The Protestant movement is its own mess and is no better. Western Christianity, in general, is in serious trouble.

The orientem lucis is the only real hope for Christendom. A return to the true faith and praxis that is still observed outside of the homosphere.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 7:28 AM  

VD: "...rather than CLEANING THEIR OWN FUCKING HOUSE?"

How? How's laity supposed to clean this up? At our next committee meeting? Are we supposed to vote these people out?

Let's suppose Pope Francis is the False Prophet. How are you supposed to fight that if you're a layman? Even if you're a cardinal, what can you do? "STOP THEM!" "END THIS!" "CLEAN HOUSE!" These are abstractions. What, literally, are we supposed to do?

Satan has corrupted the Catholic Church with great relish. It is the most hated institution in the world now. (Gee, why pick us?) If the forces of darkness are making a multi-generational "long march" through your institution, what're you supposed to do about it, particularly when the priests themselves celebrate their declining church numbers? They WANT to see people leave the Church. That's the point.

Blogger tuberman August 15, 2018 7:33 AM  

"Only the beginning
Those who you are taught to trust the most….
Expect MANY MANY MANY similar reports to surface from around the world.
IT GOES A LOT DEEPER.
Connected."

The Catholic Church is just one branch of this evil, but for sure it's totally comped through the Vatican.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira August 15, 2018 7:38 AM  

There are simply not enough real Catholics left in any of the parishes I've been to. I am literally the only one who challenges the lies and BS anymore. And people think that I'M the crazy one.

Vox is right. Don't participate in neo-babelism. Find a Latin mass is you must, but better to be a lone Christian than to have mass with satanists.

Blogger Sherwood family August 15, 2018 7:39 AM  

I am not Catholic so those who are can correct me for displaying ignorance of the options available for dealing with the problem.

Property and financing are the short and curlies for most organizations.

If local (not out-of-towners, don't make it a media circus, that hurts your efforts) parishioners refuse to let services take place in a cathedral with a known cover up artist that might be one way to force change.

You can take up the collection but not allow it to go to the maintenance or upkeep of a Bishop or Priest known to have been involved.

Grassroots efforts can stop the use of the facilities and the flow of money. It is at least a shot across the bow.

Now, those who are Catholic can feel free to reprove me for not getting how things work institutionally. I know it is more complicated than that.

Blogger dienw August 15, 2018 7:43 AM  

Lazarus is correct with his authoritative quote: God said get out; now get out or suffer the same plagues as will the wicked. The gate is narrow and so is the path; if you have to walk it alone, do so.

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 7:43 AM  

However, I don't think any Catholic, or anyone else here, is denying their own house is corrupted.

You're wrong.

Pointing out (((who it is))) that is always raising media hell about specifically this church, while pointing AWAY from their own room's filth should not hide both the filth in this room, nor the attempt by the owner of the other rooms to deflect attention from THEIR filth. No?

You're doing the same thing they are doing. Stop trying to change the subject. The subject is the pedos and the institutional rot in the Catholic Church. And by buying into their deflection game instead of simply addressing the evil wherever it is found, you are playing along.

How? How's laity supposed to clean this up? At our next committee meeting? Are we supposed to vote these people out?

Do you really think hiding behind bureaucracy and democracy is going to justify your failure to do anything?

What, literally, are we supposed to do?

Why on Earth are you asking me? Not my institution. Not my problem. How many of your fellow Catholics have you even talked to about this? How many of them have you asked what you should do?

Blogger Desdichado August 15, 2018 7:45 AM  

Sherwood family wrote:We all have to clean the inside of our own cups before starting on anyone else. We have to deal with the evil where we are. Telescopic inquisitions, like telescopic philanthropy, leave problems we can actually do something about untouched. We have to put our own houses in order.
Tell that to Attorney General Josh Shapiro. That doesn't really sound like a Catholic name to me.

I'm certainly no Papist and stuff like this, which has been going on since before the Reformation (which was kind of the point) reinforces to me exactly why not. Those who think that this makes Catholics more hated which in turn reinforces their belief that that demonstrates how the Catholic church is God's church are literally missing the point of Christ's own words; "by their fruits shall ye know them."

"Cleansing the inner vessel" may well mean that we tell Catholics who support the depredations of their organization and Jews who hide the depredations of their people that they're no longer welcome here at all. They can go do what they do somewhere else.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume August 15, 2018 7:48 AM  

@29

A Catholic could start their action against the RCC at the collection plate.

I mean, where does everyone think they get a regular stream to buy all of their real estate from? and pay off families...

Stop giving them money. They are corrupt. Choke off the flow and crap will start happening.

Don't give me that, "What are we supposed to do?" crap.

Blogger Mo Cato August 15, 2018 7:50 AM  

The problem is older than Vatican 2. For example 1937 the Nazis arrested hundreds of pedophile priests.

Blogger Purge187 August 15, 2018 7:52 AM  

There's little doubt in my mind that mandatory lifelong celibacy as ordered by the Catholic "church" has led to the abuse of children that we keep hearing about. I believe the Lord was talking about them here:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+3%3A15-17&version=NIV

Blogger Mocheirge August 15, 2018 7:52 AM  

Try making a list of crimes and nailing it to a church's door. I hear it got results in the past.

Blogger Thorby72 August 15, 2018 8:00 AM  

For the people arguing as to whether this is a distraction....no. It is Hollywood and The Catholic Church and the other churchs and government and essentially every group that has power based on public trust that is shielded from close casual scrutiny.
I know someone who wanted to be a Methodist minister. He went to seminary. It was nonstop orgies, including gay, and he participated. He went to a ministerial retreat and by listening he discovered that the ministers, almost to a man, exchanged tips on how to seduce teenagers. One in particular was telling his replacement which kids at the church would be receptive. Passing them on as it were.
The high school I went to had at least two known abusing teachers. (Also, there were several sex rings among the students, separate from the teachers)
Abuse of power, abuse of trust, including economic abuse, has always occurred. It is harder to do in small groups, but it is hard to have a civilization with group size limited to interacting groups of no more than a couple of dozen people in size.
It is a problem that must always be dragged into the light and addressed directly.

Blogger The Surly Beaver August 15, 2018 8:01 AM  

The Laity has the power of the purse. If your diocese has a history of corruption don't give to any diocesan charity or program. Instead give to those worthy of your tithe.

Blogger IrishFarmer August 15, 2018 8:02 AM  

Im looking to go through RCIA to become catholic this year. What a difficult place to be in. On the one hand, my study has led me to believe that there is A Church established by Jesus and nothing else really foots the bill AND Jesus promised that the gates of hell wouldnt prevail against it. Otoh, the church is clearly undergoing the same multi generational infiltration that all of the other institutions are, which will prove almost humanly impossible to root out.

If the Catholic church falls, then what? Christianity is in a bad place right now.

Vox you shouldnt talk about the sex scandals, its demoralizing Catholics ;)

Blogger tuberman August 15, 2018 8:05 AM  

"Tell that to Attorney General Josh Shapiro. That doesn't really sound like a Catholic name to me."

Give me a break, many others, besides the Catholics will be taken down by the connections to all this, including many Jews, and almost all other "Christian" churches (Churchian??) ... it was Baptists rounding up children for trafficking in Haiti...got that?

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 15, 2018 8:06 AM  

Dear idiots screaming THIS IS JUST A DISTRACTION!!!,

The 884-page document, two years in the making

Disney has a time machine?

Blogger Dave August 15, 2018 8:08 AM  

I'll say the over/under is 2-1/2 on the number of commenters banned in this thread. I'll take the over.

Blogger Sherwood family August 15, 2018 8:09 AM  

That's the point. These pedos are everywhere. There is no place immune to them. We all have to look around and find them where they are. We all the know the nooks and crannies of the institutions and organizations we are a part of. We know where the dark corners are and can shine lights on them, if for no other reason than to keep anyone from hiding there in the future.

Blogger Careless Whisper August 15, 2018 8:10 AM  

As a Catholic the first thing I felt reading the report was a blinding rage. Reviewing many reports of improprieties we've allowed in since the days of Pope Pius X, I've been on the verge of abandoning Novus Ordo Catholicism in favor of either SSPX or the Eastern Orthodox rite. But I can't walk away from this church now without a fight.
These cowardly, perverted freaks of nature who've destroyed so many lives wearing our church as a skin suit need to pay. If we really, in the end, can't free the church from the Lavender Mafia, we need to at least make them hurt. And make it so that no one can lie to themselves any longer about what they are. God will judge us harshly if we roll over for such frail, weaselly old men and genetic defects with such wringable necks. No death penalty permitted, hey Francis? Nice try.

Blogger Nate August 15, 2018 8:10 AM  

The state should have no authority over the church at all. That way... when things like this come up... and we burn a bunch of preists and bishops at the stake... no one can press charges. Because it is after all... a church matter.

Blogger dienw August 15, 2018 8:14 AM  

Christ founded his church upon the confession by Peter that He is "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." He did not found the Church upon Peter. The church is built of the living stones of believers who have affirmed that confession.

Blogger RandyB August 15, 2018 8:18 AM  

Reverse Vatican I. I don't understand why the enabling council that led to Vatican II gets a free pass. They are two halves of a whole.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 8:22 AM  

Do you really think hiding behind bureaucracy and democracy is going to justify your failure to do anything?

Hiding? I'm in the thick of it.

Why on Earth are you asking me?

Because you're the one telling Catholics to clean their fucking house. I'd be happy to oblige that if I knew how.

How many of your fellow Catholics have you even talked to about this? How many of them have you asked what you should do?

I talk about this with fellow parishioners constantly. I try to explain the situation to non-Catholics all the time. And I blog about these problems frequently at Forge and Anvil.

Just a couple of weeks ago, I was detailing some Church corruption over at Vox Candor.

http://voxcantor.blogspot.com/2018/08/what-is-going-on-in-oklahoma.html

I mean...there's a frail network of Traditional Catholics talking about this, and its getting through slowly but surely. And there's been a serious uptick in tradition-minded young priests coming out of seminary, who then get carted of to some hinterland, courtesy of the lib bishop. Our own Latin community is exiled in a ghetto on the far western side of town, just past the refinery.

Blogger Out of Nod August 15, 2018 8:26 AM  

Christian, be you catholic or protestant, if we read the same bible our devotion is to the teaching of the apostles first and to the fellowship next. The fellowship is not the institution although the fellowship meets at the institution. Our first devotion is to the teaching. Too many of us rely on the institution instead of trusting that we have been given the same Holy Spirit who empowers us to understand God's word and to search it with the Berean mind.

We want teaching, systems, and traditions. We want to answer to teachers and to put our race of faith in their hands, however in the end we will stand before God and give an account.

"Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus," or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice." - King Baldwin, Kingdom of Heaven

If the institutions have been corrupted, it is time to clean them out. If they won't be cleansed, it is time to be courageous, do the work and create new institutions - let the old die. The church needs this just as much as the comics industry, maybe even more so as we are talking about an institution that is dealing with the souls of the people.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus August 15, 2018 8:27 AM  

The Boy Scouts have gone full queer now. I suppose with the heat turned up on the church the faggots required another youth organization for supply and the decrepit american nuclear family enabled them to turn the Scouts. Where does a kid find moral instruction alongside his peers anymore? They've siloed us.

Blogger Vessimede Barstool August 15, 2018 8:29 AM  

Gays are gonna gay. Best indicator of potential pedo, are you a male homosexual? Yes? Then you're a hundred times more likely to be a child rapist than a hetero male. Not to say that all homos are pedos, but in this case correlation does imply causation. I would say our ancestors were well aware of this, which is why there existed for millennia such a deep hostility and suspicion towards homos, just like there was towards atheists. The Church needs to rid itself of homosexuality, not likely when the current pretender pontiff was specifically placed on the throne to stop that from happening.

Blogger SouthRon August 15, 2018 8:31 AM  

The Catholic Church is the only church treated positively by Hollywood. I've wondered why for years, but given the sexual deviancy, abuse, occult practices and pedophilia within the ranks of its leadership, colleges, and convents has anyone looked into the connections between The Church, DC, and Pedowood?

Can there be any question that they are cut from the same cloth and that just as many Americans had no idea, or did not want to know, what was going on in Hollywood, many Catholics had no idea what was going on within their own church?

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 8:32 AM  

Reverse Vatican I. I don't understand why the enabling council that led to Vatican II gets a free pass. They are two halves of a whole.

Fine, that too.

I'd be happy to oblige that if I knew how.

I suggest you read the history of your own Church.

Blogger Vessimede Barstool August 15, 2018 8:33 AM  

@DraveckysHumerus

No sane father would let his son anywhere near an organisation that allows fags unsupervised access to little boys. It's not like they go out of their way to hide it, being ass raped by an adult male is how most gay men get inducted into the life.

Blogger tuberman August 15, 2018 8:34 AM  

"Because you're the one telling Catholics to clean their fucking house. I'd be happy to oblige that if I knew how."

No, VD is just passing on material coming now from the Government, although he is saying it with more urgency.

You are DEFENSIVE, like the Jews are accurately stated to be, and if most of your energy is defensive, you will do nothing to stop what is going on. I come from a Lutheran background, and fully expect them to be very comped.

Soon defensiveness will lead to...Every.Damn.Time. for Catholics too.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 15, 2018 8:37 AM  

When they defrocked or retired thousands of priests in the 90s, it touched very few bishops and other higher members of the hierarchy. That never made sense, that low-level priests in every diocese across the country were molesting boys but none of their bosses were. It's much more likely that the worst perpetrators protected themselves by burning the lesser ones, and then went right on doing what they do, including bringing in more like themselves.

The Catholic homosexual infestation isn't a distraction from Hollywood's; it's the same thing. The corrupt Church higher-ups hob-nob with all the other globalist elites and have all the same vices. Dig out the molesters in the Church (or in academia, or media, or government), and they're going to lead to Hollywood anyway.

Sure, the Jews in Hollywood would rather we look at the Catholics for a while. So what? If you're Catholic, you believe the Church was founded by Jesus Christ as our only means of salvation. Is the Vatican doing that now, with an imposter leading Catholics astray, telling them they don't have to fear eternal punishment for sin, while doing nothing to stop molestation and other ills that will drive people away from the Faith entirely?

They WANT to see people leave the Church.

Catholics who follow Francis and his Vatican II teachings ARE effectively leaving the Church; they just don't know it. God may have mercy on them because they don't know any better. But if they hold to his heretical beliefs, they've already been led away from the Deposit of Faith. It was just done by a guy dressed as the pope, instead of by an honest outsider.

Let's suppose Pope Francis is the False Prophet. How are you supposed to fight that if you're a layman?

We probably can't, in the sense of "How do we throw out the bad ones and fix it now?" They took over the Vatican in 1958 or thereabouts, and they're fully entrenched now. True Catholics are now a handful of villagers with pitchforks standing outside a massive citadel which belonged to our ancestors before it was conquered by the enemy and consecrated to the Enemy a few generations ago. They have all the weapons and wealth in there, and they've renovated the interior so radically that our ancestors wouldn't recognize it anymore. They have many of our family and friends inside, and they're having a nice time, so they don't even know they're hostages. All we can do is hold to our Faith and refuse to surrender and give them our assent, like the original followers of Christ in the catacombs of Rome refusing to worship Roman gods. At least they aren't feeding us to lions yet.

Blogger RandyJJ August 15, 2018 8:37 AM  

@25 Troy Lee Messer
I've been going to Faith Community Bible Church for a few months. They're solid in their commitment to the Bible. Marriage isn't about being happy. No female pastors allowed. They encourage everyone to be in one of the small groups that meet during the week for closer fellowship opportunities. Some people seem soft on immigration, but that is cultural and not a church stance.

http://satisfiedinjesus.org/

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 15, 2018 8:40 AM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:How? How's laity supposed to clean this up? At our next committee meeting? Are we supposed to vote these people out?

... the priests themselves celebrate their declining church numbers? They WANT to see people leave the Church. That's the point.


Stop giving them money, stop going there. They may not need you, but you definitely don't need them.

God wants you to take part in His work, in part by giving money. It's God's money, give it where He's working. Nowadays, that's not the Roman Church. Stop giving to the Church of Rome, but keep giving to God's work.

Salvation comes from faith in God's Messiah, not from any ``sacrament'' or any ``church.'' If you think your church has told you differently, ask yourself how they might benefit from lying about how you then must live. You still need to gather together with other believers, but the Church of Rome is not the place.

Stop giving, stop going, stick to your savior, not to the synagog of satan.

You have no need of any institution if you are a Christian. You have God's Holy Spirit and God's Word.

Blogger The Kurgan August 15, 2018 8:42 AM  

Yup. What people assume is the Catholic Church is in reality a cabal of homosexual pederasts.
Burning down the Vatican with every cleric in it would only be a start. The convergence was essentially complete in 1950 or so. Vatican II is complete heresy.

For those who aren’t aware:
http://holyromancatholicchurch.org/heresies.html

In my estimation there are only thousands of actual Catholics left, they are Sede privationists, (which differs from sedevacantists) and few and far between.

The ones I was baptised with are here:
https://www.sodalitiumpianum.com

I am personally all for actual execution of all pederasts and medievally so for priests.

Deus Vult 2.0 is long overdue.

Blogger Nate August 15, 2018 8:43 AM  

Serious question. Is it time to simply kick the catholic Church out of the US?

Blogger Didas Kalos August 15, 2018 8:45 AM  

Revelation ch. 2 and 3. Jesus removed the candlestick of the RCC hundreds of years ago. Jesus has no quarter to a church that doesn't repent of its sin. Man centered it is. And hell is the destination of this impostor of the body of Christ.

Blogger The Kurgan August 15, 2018 8:46 AM  

Anything connected to Vatican II is NOT the Catholic Church. I was baptised Catholic AFTER I knew all about Vatican 2.0. That’s because a remnant is left.

Search for my name on this post and see my comment as to where to go, or head over to Canon188.com which should be more properly up in a few days but has links and basics already.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 15, 2018 8:48 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:If you're Catholic, you believe the Church was founded by Jesus Christ as our only means of salvation.

Heresy.

Savation comes by faith, and that by grace. That's faith in God's Messiah, not faith in Rome.

Allowing sinners to believe that faith in Rome pleases God has been very profitable to Rome for many centuries.

No church ever saved anyone from hell.

Blogger Blaidd August 15, 2018 8:51 AM  

Yes. The Vatican is a sovereign state therefore every church under its authority is a foreign entity. If an embassy for any other country had the record the Catholic Church does, we would have carpet bombed them out of existence by now.

Blogger Vessimede Barstool August 15, 2018 8:52 AM  

I remember first reading Ann Barnhardt's blog about a decade ago. She was calling this out in excruciating detail, including what the new 'Pope' was and is. That woman is verging on sainthood, there's someone who's sacrificed for the truth.

Blogger The Kurgan August 15, 2018 8:55 AM  

For the uneducated in the details, or those too weak to take on huge dragons almost alone, it is not a bad choice. I for one think truth matters and having read enough of canon law to understand at least the origins and dogma of actual Catholicism am happy to charge at Bergoglio and his pederats army as an actual Catholic.

And I’m not a particularly good one, but compared to pederast priests I’m practically Saint Adrianus

Blogger Ledford Ledford August 15, 2018 8:59 AM  

I'd like to send a big thank you to all the cops, detectives, prosecutors, etc. trying to clean up this and other sewers. I can't bring myself to read any details of any of these crimes. I couldn't do it. I'll never read Moira Greyland's book, though maybe I'll buy it just to support her.

Pray for the victims, and pray for the investigators.

Blogger owner August 15, 2018 9:00 AM  

This is why I've held the sedevacantist position for decades. There has not been a true pope since Pius XII, and that truth is obvious to anyone who cares to see it.

Blogger greg o August 15, 2018 9:03 AM  

Member of the Greensburg Pa. Diocese here. Disgusted by everything the church hierarchy stands for. We belong to a small rural parish
with a mostly orthodox, pre VII mentality. Its the only reason we still belong. We only donate to the parish and our children are never left alone with any unvetted adult, be it a priest, cop, teacher, coach or insert stranger. What is going on in the church is the same as greater society. It is all around us and there is no stopping it until the entire rotten edifice comes crashing down. Build your own local tribe now, they may be in your small church, neighbors or dojo. You dont have enough man power or ammo and time is short.

Blogger tweell August 15, 2018 9:04 AM  

I am a Roman Catholic, but will have to move before I can do more about the problem. Caught and testified against a pedo, now I'm known and watched. Priests that enable illegals are often doing it for child access, if they're Trekkies it's all but guaranteed they are pedophiles.

Blogger HoosierHillbilly August 15, 2018 9:06 AM  

@63. No, as much as it is a pain, they still get Maryland. It'll be damned crowded, but they can happily go back to Catholic countries if they like. Better when we all have our happy, Westphalian divisions.

Blogger Brett baker August 15, 2018 9:08 AM  

A lot of the victims were teenagers, not children. As has been pointed out elsewhere, a lot of this is regular gay sex assault, not pedophilia. But that upsets the gays, so it gets reported as though 5,6,or7 year olds were the majority of victims, thus not causing "homophobia".

Blogger Dad29 August 15, 2018 9:08 AM  

I am, and remain, a Catholic.

One of the tenets of the Faith is that Catholicism is THE road to salvation. If one believes that (and I do), then departing the Church because there are serious sinners in the ranks and in the hierarchy is ....ahhh.....not logical, Spock.

The Church, qua Church, is indefectible. All the others---well--you see the reality.

And by the way, I, too, am a sinner, but not a homosexual one.

Blogger Crush Limbraw August 15, 2018 9:10 AM  

Just last night I read an article on American Vision on spiritual warfare Eph. 6:12 - emphasizing the fact that churches have retreated from civil governmental affairs and thus affecting the culture - but are now promulgators of the new secular culture themselves. The Catholic church is just Exhibit A - the tip of the iceberg!
The question is - why is this so?
Here is part of what I posted in my comment on Disqus - " the Christian conundrum was the primary reason for the loss of Christian culture in our society. Unfortunately, most Christians have no clue because it simply has not been taught from the pulpits - so now what? How do we bring correct teaching to the church?
If you take this article to your pastor, what would you expect will happen? My bet in 90+ percent of the cases - you will be dismissed. I know from personal experience!
Ask some questions. What is the Christian mission? Most people have no clue!
In keeping with the opening scripture of Eph. 6:12 - where is it prominently displayed in the secular world right now - literally the New Babel?"
Sound familiar, VD?
The fundamental change in the pulpits from 'making disciples of all nations' became 'Jesus loves you' - that is not a mission! It is an invitation to spiritual navel gazing.
So - as I state in on my website - all this crap happened under our watch because our focus was on ourselves and not our mission.
My solution - look in DaFreakingMirror and get to work - talk is cheap!

Blogger Jack August 15, 2018 9:12 AM  

The Catholic Church is overrun with sodomites and usurers, two sins that go together, as Dante points out in the Divine Comedy. This goes back much further than Vatican II. The Vatican has its own Rothschild bank. Trad Caths like to point out that the Church has never changed its position on usury in writing, but it's blatantly obvious that in practice, it has.

Malachi Martin said there was a cabal of satanists in the Catholic Church who deliberately abuse children because children are so highly valued by the Lord. It's a kind of black mass ritual. Sick.

"Bastardo sodomita, per i tuoi peccati Roma sarà distrutta!" Brandano da Petroio to Pope Clement VII, 15th century

Blogger Brett baker August 15, 2018 9:13 AM  

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Blogger Zaklog the Great August 15, 2018 9:16 AM  

I don't know what to do here. I chose to join the Catholic Church just a few years ago because I believed they held to important truths that Protestants had neglected. I still think that's true. But the leadership appears to be badly corrupted. So I can go join a group that has grotesquely amputated parts of the doctrine, or I can stick with one that has a whole doctrine and a corrupt and dangerous leadership.

I don't see any good options.

Blogger HoosierHillbilly August 15, 2018 9:16 AM  

@11 oh give it up with the defeatism. Just run, just leave. Piss on that! I'm as violently Reformed as the next guy, with no great Catholic love, but damn if you haven't seen the running and pouting approach play out across Protestantism for a hundred years.

Your little house church is cute and all, but...you can do that and still be involved with a church organization! Wild, isn't it? And shit, maybe the church could actually USE some people devout enough to consider their own church. Get in the fight man, while we are not FORCED to hide in house churches yet.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 15, 2018 9:17 AM  

The Laity has the power of the purse. If your diocese has a history of corruption don't give to any diocesan charity or program.

Yes, that's one thing any individual Catholic can do. If your church has any official connection to Rome or the local diocese, some of your money goes up the chain. That's even true of diocese-approved Latin Mass chapels. They may claim your money is separate, over here in the building fund, but that's just bookkeeping. Every dollar you give means someone else's dollar that wasn't earmarked can go to something like the Education Fund that's just a euphemism for the diocese's cut. Basically, if they have a picture of Francis on the wall and say Mass "una cum Francis," your local support is supporting the whole system in some way.

Blogger The Kurgan August 15, 2018 9:19 AM  

Unfortunatey Ann is in error too. She thinks Ratzinger, one of the architects of V2 is a legitimate Pope. He isn’t even a legitimate priest. Never mind a leader of any kind.

The antichurch is now the overwhelming majority of whatvpasses for “Catholic”. And it must all burn down to the ground and the ground salted.

Blogger The Kurgan August 15, 2018 9:21 AM  

Good to know there are at least two of us. Come over to the Crusader side.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd August 15, 2018 9:22 AM  

Durandel.... Ummmm the Orthodox church was founded by Christ. The Catholics went their own way when they started crowning Franks and holding non ecumenical councils... Come home to the orthodox Catholic church! Everything past the council of Nicea is heresy!

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2018 9:23 AM  

"Reverse Vatican I. I don't understand why the enabling council that led to Vatican II gets a free pass. They are two halves of a whole."

I've argued before, and I'll argue again, that the core issue was plainly exposed in Unam Sanctam. When the Church (and by that I mean any division thereof) takes up direct political power, it becomes corrupted. We've seen this over and over again. Do you think that politicians are, on the whole, good and moral people?

Then why, oh why, would you want them as leaders of the Church? Why would one be surprised that priests begin to act like politicians?

Even the Levites were separate, and that was an actual, literal theocracy.

Blogger The Kurgan August 15, 2018 9:26 AM  

What is wrong with you?
Find the truth and gonwirh it. See the other comments I made here. You can search for my name.
Sitting there saying “there is nothing we can do” is a lie.
There is plenty you can do.
Use your God given brain and heart man!

Blogger The Kurgan August 15, 2018 9:31 AM  

Precisely. Hell, I’m doing something! And I’m the moral equivalent of a barely Christianised barbarian who’s just been baptised. Charge the damned gates!

I’ve posted some links but in the near future hope to have quite the little storm go off. I suspect you’ll be able to tell when it’s caught fire properly. Just gathering the kindling now.

Blogger Desdichado August 15, 2018 9:33 AM  

Nate wrote:Serious question. Is it time to simply kick the catholic Church out of the US?
While some of the Colonies (and hence the early States) were majority Catholic, in general, the US *ALWAYS* rejected Papism, and it's part of our cultural heritage. Most people don't remember it now, but it was a BIG DEAL when JFK got elected because he was a Papist, and there were a lot of concerns that his loyalty to America would be compromised because of it. The prevalence of Papism, except in a handful of farked up New England states, is an artifact of immigration of Fake Americans—Irish, Italian, and now Hispanic (and some southern German and Polish, etc.)

Papism is, quite literally, un-American. I'm not sure what you mean by time to kick them out. It's time that those of us on the bleeding edge of political and social issues can talk about it theoretically. It's going to be a while yet before we can seriously consider doing something about it, because the zeitgeist isn't going to catch up to that idea until it is on board with deportations of immigrants first. Once that happens, cascade preferences about who else doesn't belong will follow very quickly.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 9:34 AM  

Catholics who give a care have already started taking their families to whatever Latin Mass ghetto and outpost they can find, putting their money either in those places, or tithing to whatever uncorrupted Catholic charity they can find.

These days have been prophesied, both in Scripture as well as private revelation. The mother of Christ once told us that the days would come when it'd actually be the faithful who'd be considered heretics, while the rest of the Church--including the clergy--would be considered, by the world, to be the nominee. Meaning, the world in that horrible time would view degeneracy as normal, and clean-living people as abnormal.


As to Nate's question: Serious question. Is it time to simply kick the catholic Church out of the US?

The United States has been staunchly anti-Catholic since its inception. That's why you have 10,000 flavors of "believe how you feel" Christianity. And look at how well it's working. Everyone is so atomized, we've been overtaken by Jews--to the point we're a Jewish colony, for the most part. There is no single nation. Just one big mass of people--like that floating island of trash, out in the Pacific. The country just drifts wherever, with clumps forming here and there. Where the U.S. is today is a result of its staunchly Protestant decision-making. Catholic history in the U.S. has been one of continuous abdication and compromise, and this history of missed opportunities is their fault, don't get me wrong.

But as for all the Jewish media, pornography, LeSea Zionism, "Ben Cohen" Zionist politicians...It's not the result of Catholic involvement in the U.S.

In fact, this priest pedophile problem is restricted to the Catholic community, for the most part. Why should protestants here even give a damn about our problems, eh?

Blogger Desdichado August 15, 2018 9:34 AM  

The Kurgan wrote:Precisely. Hell, I’m doing something! And I’m the moral equivalent of a barely Christianised barbarian who’s just been baptised. Charge the damned gates!
Historically, those have frequently been the best Christians anyway.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 9:35 AM  

*to be the "normies"

Blogger Nate August 15, 2018 9:43 AM  

What to do:

Step 1: stop giving the church money. none. zilch. and make sure everyone else does to. And stop serving period.

Step 2: Start being disruptive as all hell. Take a good long look at what the SJWs did to take down the presby church and ecc church. Now... adopt some of those tactics and modify them as necessary to fit your situation.


Blogger Mac Gills August 15, 2018 9:44 AM  

I agree that what has happened is the work of Satan. This are horrible crimes, possibly the greatest scandal to rock the Church. However, let's not be ignorant of history and think this is the first time the humans in charge of a divine institution have screwed up. Early 1500s wasn't great either, just ask Martin Luther.

We did not start this Church and therefore we have no power to dissolve it. The Catholic Church was institute by Christ for the salvation of souls. May He have mercy on us.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother August 15, 2018 9:44 AM  

UNIFORMED FOREIGN AGENTS IMPORT HOSTILE ARMIES, INFLUENCE AMERICAN ELECTIONS, RAPE AMERICAN CHILDREN.

FILM AT 11

Blogger Weouro August 15, 2018 9:46 AM  

This is a good thing. A lot of people are complicit in sexual sins and evil from fornication to adultery to various perversions like porn. This is one of the only ones secular society still condemns. The wheat and the weeds are intermingled until judgement day.

Blogger jaericho August 15, 2018 9:46 AM  

@25 I would recommend a liturgical LCMS church. There's a good, daily, LCMS radio program that led me to my current church: http://issuesetc.org/ Check out their Find a Church page. There is one listed in Boise.

Blogger HoosierHillbilly August 15, 2018 9:53 AM  

"Where the U.S. is today is a result of its staunchly Protestant decision-making"

Bahaha. Tell it to the Supreme Court.

Blogger IrishFarmer August 15, 2018 10:02 AM  

Im not convinced the solution to these problems is to pretend the church history and fathers dont exist, to discard tradition, and overthrow hierarchy and community for a "personal" faith which to me sounds exactly like radical individualism grafted onto Christianity. Also i dont think abandoning the church is the solution either. This is how they win time and time again. Eventually we will have no where left to run if we dont stand and hold onto whats good.

Blogger The Kurgan August 15, 2018 10:03 AM  

Lack of sex with women doesn’t turn a normal man into a pedophile. Try to use your brain please.
Also... it’s easier to have illicit sex with a woman that is into priests than rape kids.
The moral is: homopedos are gonna homopedo.
Or are you saying if you had some arbitrary rule imposed on you about not having sex with women you’d suddenly develop a sexual fetish for little boys?

Think!

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 10:05 AM  

Eventually we will have no where left to run if we dont stand and hold onto whats good.

First, there is nothing good there. Second, why do you think we cannot create new and better institutions?

Blogger The Kurgan August 15, 2018 10:05 AM  

No. It’s demoralising Churchians and that is all to the GOOD!

Personally I find it inspiring to know exactly where the target is.

Blogger The Kurgan August 15, 2018 10:08 AM  

Indeed. Also your very well thought out “needed killin’ defence” is something that should be appended to Lysander Spooner’s natural law as a clarifying addendum.

Blogger The Kurgan August 15, 2018 10:10 AM  

Because you’re trying to fan at a raging fire with a lady’s hanky. You’re still following V2 pederasts. You can’t “reconcile” Catholicism with anything connected to V2. Nothing. Not a single thing.

Blogger The Kurgan August 15, 2018 10:15 AM  

[laughter] indeed!

A propos of nothing... why do you think the homosexuals are nicknamed after bundles of sticks?

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 10:17 AM  

VD: "First, there is nothing good there. Second, why do you think we cannot create new and better institutions?"

I disagree completely.

The Catholic Church has the sacraments, which can only be brought to people through men with apostolic authority. Plus, "unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you." The Lavender Mafia, sinful as they are, hold this apostolic authority hostage in a dark way. And it speaks to God's incredible power that His Authority cannot be vanquished, even with such sins as that. It really says something about God's indestructible power that, even in Hell, a man remains a priest. It is the Real Deal.

You can create another institution if you'd like, but it will not be better. It will only be one of tens of thousands already made.

Blogger David The Good August 15, 2018 10:20 AM  

"The Catholic Church has the sacraments, which can only be brought to people through men with apostolic authority"

Yeah, whatever. We are all a royal priesthood now.

Blogger David The Good August 15, 2018 10:22 AM  

The Kurgan wrote:Lack of sex with women doesn’t turn a normal man into a pedophile. Try to use your brain please.

Also... it’s easier to have illicit sex with a woman that is into priests than rape kids.

The moral is: homopedos are gonna homopedo.

Or are you saying if you had some arbitrary rule imposed on you about not having sex with women you’d suddenly develop a sexual fetish for little boys?

Think!


Absolutely right.

Blogger David The Good August 15, 2018 10:24 AM  

Meanoldbasterd wrote:Durandel.... Ummmm the Orthodox church was founded by Christ. The Catholics went their own way when they started crowning Franks and holding non ecumenical councils... Come home to the orthodox Catholic church! Everything past the council of Nicea is heresy!

Starting an argument with "Ummmm" should lead to an immediate banning.

Blogger Weouro August 15, 2018 10:28 AM  

I think it's like the institution of marriage. A better institution can't be created. Adulterated forms can appear like "gay marriage" or no fault divorce based marriages, but it's not at all an improvement. The Church is the Church like the Family is the Family and a ton shitty fathers don't invalidate the institution.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 15, 2018 10:33 AM  

Im not convinced the solution to these problems is to pretend the church history and fathers dont exist, to discard tradition,

No one's suggesting that. In fact, Francis and his Vatican II buddies are the ones who have done that. Read a modern papal encyclical sometime. Nearly all the references will be to Vatican II documents or newer. They've created a new theology, catechism, vestments, architecture, prayers, music, sacraments, and orders for their new church. They preach doctrines that directly contradict their predecessors, like the Jews having their own path to salvation. They've *already* made it a choice between themselves and the Church Fathers.

St. Francis of Assisi, after his conversion, had a vision of Christ telling him to rebuild His church, which had fallen into ruins. At first he tried to do it in a literal, worldly way, using some of his father's wealth to restore the ruined chapel where he had his vision, but that only got him punished. Eventually he had to leave the "system" behind, and built a new chapel in the ruins of the old one, using materials he personally gathered and begged for himself. He built more new chapels, and then founded a new order of friars. I wonder how many people at the time said, "But Francis, your local parish needs you! Don't go off and do your own thing. Work within the system to help us get rid of the bad apples!"

Blogger tz August 15, 2018 10:39 AM  

Is it coincidence that Francis is banning the death penalty now?
He's doing the best to convince me B16 is still pope and Francis is minimally an anti-pope.

But the corrupt Bishops are implementing "safety training" for eucharistic ministers and lectors - while they don't clean out the (ironically named) seminares.

It happened a thousand years ago too, see St. Peter Daminen's "The Book of Gomorrah". And the solution is the same this time. Purge every last homosexual priest, or any with Same Sex Attraction, and don't allow any to become a priest or even deacon.

But that's so homophobic! Damn right (pun intended). You should fear predators.

So I must laugh when they say it couldn't possibly happen in the swamp between Jeff Ep and his lolita express and comet pizza. Quietly, thousands are being arrested by Sessions.

Blogger Jack August 15, 2018 10:40 AM  

God and his Church fought a century long war against communism. Of course, God and his church won but not without sacrifice. The communists actively sought to undermine the church through infiltration, and much of the evil in the Church today can be traced to them. Communism is dead and soon the infiltrators will be dead too. Christ still lives and so does his Church.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 15, 2018 10:45 AM  

The cookie cannibals have always been buying whayever line of crap Rome has been selling.

Vatican 3.0 or Beziers 2.0.

Blogger Resident Moron™ August 15, 2018 10:47 AM  

The Church (the institution run by sinners to empower sinners) is not the Church (the body of repentant sinners).

There’s no doubt some overlap but to claim or imply it’s more than a small percentage is to deny God’s own statements on the matter, all of history, and reason.

I’m quite fond of all three.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 15, 2018 10:47 AM  

Is it coincidence that Francis is banning the death penalty now?

He's doing a better job of convincing people he's an impostor than anyone else could. Unfortunately, coming to that realization only opens up a much bigger can of worms, so it's tough for people.

The Church is the Church like the Family is the Family and a ton shitty fathers don't invalidate the institution.

I'm with you until the last word. The "institution" is not the Church. The USCCB is not the Church. A collection of buildings and offices in Rome is not the Church. The Church might create institutions for practical reasons, but we're only guaranteed that the Church herself will never fall to the gates of Hell. There is no such guarantee about any human institutions we create.

Blogger tz August 15, 2018 10:47 AM  

Speaking of the homoswamp...

Investigative Journalist Jen Moore was found dead in a suburban Washington D.C. hotel room Monday, according to police and shocked and distraught friends and colleagues.

Moore died of an apparent seizure. Police are closely investigating the cause of death after former FBI Agent Robyn Gritz, a friend of Moore’s, made inquiries with homicide detectives Monday afternoon in Prince Georges County, Maryland. Preliminary reports from police said the death was not the result of suicide.

Moore’s body was found by employees at the Country Inn & Suites by Radisson, Washington, D.C. East – in Capitol Heights, Maryland. The investigation is ongoing. An autopsy had not been scheduled as of late Monday.  Moore, an advocate who investigated abused and trafficked children, had been in the process of investigating allegations by a 26-year-old man that — as a young boy — he was sexually assaulted by Bill Clinton and pimped out at private sex parties attended by other D.C. elites.

http://thepetesantillishow.com/episode1351/

Another death from Arkancide?

No, Hillary is really a witch. Remember when she turned the speaker of the house into a Newt?

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 10:49 AM  

I disagree completely.

You're the one who was asking me what you should do. I didn't ask for your opinion. If you're going to stay in an organization that is run by pedos and Satanists, that's on your conscience, not mine.

Blogger Dos Voltz August 15, 2018 10:56 AM  

As a Roman Catholic I gave up (partially) a long time ago, and completely gave up a coupla years back.

Mainly due to the church taking fed money to "help settle" immigrants like the wonderful Somalis who now are my neighbors in rural Boone county Kentucky. They must be the Catholic Somalis we hear so much about. Nah, the church just took the money.

And then this new commie pope. Nail in coffin. Sad that the best voice for the church is a female former fund manager named Ann Barnhardt.

I have long believed that the queers used the church as cover to hide their buggery. This way they could remain "respectable" in their family's eyes. But a few turned into many, and the many are now all. It's an infestation that requires a great bonfire.

The priesthood is likely now only a club for predator queers. Huge bonus that the power structure constantly feeds the machine with fresh young meat.

There can be no recovery until priests are REQUIRED to be hetero married men. And preferable alpha type leaders who also are very well trained in martial arts.

Personally I would like to see the mass conducted with some badass young man with a sword drawn, at the ready.

2000 years ago was not the right time for the wrath of St Peter's sword, but we are now long past due.

Blogger Careless Whisper August 15, 2018 11:04 AM  

Has anyone here found a good forum where angry Catholics are organizing actions in response?

I am going to start drafting flyers for protesting the US bishops meeting in November in Baltimore.
inb4 they won't care, it won't matter
Homopedos gonna homopedo, but that doesn't mean we have to let them do it in peace

Blogger Nate August 15, 2018 11:05 AM  

I am in agreement with Laramie. Running away is not the answer. That practice is what has allowed the left to destroy every institution it has attacked. They show up... good Christians bail out rather than to fight them. They take over.


I'm sick of it. I've been sick of it for a long time. That's why inspite of everything I am still a member of the UMC. Becuase I'd rather fight than run. And after all this time it feels like our side is finally making some progress. There is a purge coming in 2019 for the UMC.


No no no. I'm not running any more and the catholics shouldn't run either. They should stay and raise hell. They should disrupt their church. They should interfere with everything the church does and force the church to respond to them.


The shepherd is an imposter. Its time for the sheep dogs to take him out.

Blogger RB August 15, 2018 11:14 AM  

I have not had a chance to read all of the comments today. But, I did read the report about the Pittsburgh situation. These monsters were working in coordination with each other to groom, train, mark and target their "favorites". Unimaginable evil. So for those who have a hard time with 'conspiracy theories', try that on for size. Is it really that hard to believe secular demons are not coordinating in similar rings in Hollywood and around the country? They have to be rooted out and destroyed. How many children's lives have been ruined, and their sexuality completely messed up for life? Sorry if this has been covered, but I needed to get some of this bile out of my system..

Blogger Avalanche August 15, 2018 11:15 AM  

@54 " Best indicator of potential pedo, are you a male homosexual? Yes? Then you're a hundred times more likely to be a child rapist than a hetero male. Not to say that all homos are pedos..."

Whoa! That phrasing made me recoil because it's the same phrasing I see/hear/use about muzzies. "Not ALL muzzies are (long list of malign and destructive preferences and actions)" ... but they pretty much all support those malignancies, and the "our people" committing them.

Kinda makes it clear that the 'good' ones in whatever field/group, if there are such, need to take up the discipline-stick and start flailing about at their brethren. I often ruefully describe myself as "the turd in the punch bowl," because I don't let my neighbors and friends excuse malign behaviors. NA*ALT doesn't serve. (I get blocked and unblocked regularly by several folks on my gun forum. But -- you can't unhear a rung bell! They come back...)

If ... oh! "If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off" ... isn't that the verse? Perhaps, if your local Churchian-church preaches unacceptable or unChristian material, cut them off. Maybe in a step-wise fashion: talk to the minister, talk to the governing board, stand up IN service and announce what's wrong, leave. All the while, also talking to your fellow parishioners?

If the flood is rising, reach out to pull to safety those you can. If they refuse to come -- leave them to drown. Is this not also Biblical?

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 11:17 AM  

@107 ""The Catholic Church has the sacraments, which can only be brought to people through men with apostolic authority"

Yeah, whatever. We are all a royal priesthood now."


That quote came right out of the Bible that Catholic monks worked to preserve for you.

@58 "You are DEFENSIVE, like the Jews are accurately stated to be"

Actually, as a colleague pointed out today, this crisis is a perfect opportunity for evangelization, with the first and primary lesson being that: The Church is not churchmen.

Side topic: "The Heretics of St. Possenti" is an awesome, positive book. I'll be writing a glowing review of it soon. That being said, the book is predicated on the idea that there is a good, wholesome, common-sense pope on the throne. That won't happen in the foreseeable future. Imagine the guy who steps in after Francis.

Blogger Abyssus Invocat August 15, 2018 11:21 AM  

As a Catholic, I say to my brothers and sisters: Do not look away. Do not change the subject. This has to be dragged into the light and purged with fire. Demand your parish priest and your bishop declare where they stand and if they won’t, go elsewhere. Donate directly to a poor family rather than through the church. If the American church must be razed to the ground, so be it. All we need is 12 if it comes to that.

Blogger Durandel August 15, 2018 11:21 AM  

Amen JC, I’m with you. I converted in 2010 from atheism and even attended seminary for a time. The rot is truly everywhere and it needs to be cast out and burned.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 11:21 AM  

You're the one who was asking me what you should do. I didn't ask for your opinion. If you're going to stay in an organization that is run by pedos and Satanists, that's on your conscience, not mine.

I thought you had something in mind, but was reserving the answer for later, or waiting for someone to ask.

I and a lot of folks are interested when you start discussing Catholic matters.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 August 15, 2018 11:23 AM  

The idea of similar Satanic child abuse occuring in Judaism is hardly far-out. We should expect it. And surely the Protestant churches can only be marginally better.

This is what happens when religiob becomes bureaucracy. Jesus railing against the Pharisees & Sadducees makes perfect sense. I imagine the truth of the corruption would curdle our bloods.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 11:24 AM  

@121 Agreed.

Blogger Abyssus Invocat August 15, 2018 11:25 AM  

If someone says to you that Priest turn into homos and pedophiles because of celibacy, just ask them how long they could go without sex before raping a child.

Blogger WillBest August 15, 2018 11:26 AM  

Or are you saying if you had some arbitrary rule imposed on you about not having sex with women you’d suddenly develop a sexual fetish for little boys?

Its pretty straight forward. If you preclude from your application pool anybody that can't be celibate, or isn't willing to lie about being celibate, then you are excluding 99% of the people that have while not necessarily strong against sexual sin, have a healthy and productive outlet for their sexual urges.

What you are left with is a talent pool full of psychopaths, narcissist, and sexual deviants. And given that the job entails a lot of trust and authority over parents and their children, you might as well just hang a sign that says pedos welcome.

The 4th or 5th most powerful/influential pastor in the US, Bill Hybels, just got taken out for decades of sexually harassing his adult, female employees. It is quaint by catholic church standards.

Blogger Durandel August 15, 2018 11:27 AM  

@Purge187 - the two John Jay reports show that 80% of child victims of Catholic clergy and staff are male, and that 100% of the adult victims are male.

How is lack of vagina driving these men to molest mostly men?

Celibacy is not impossible and is just as acheieveable as chastity.

Blogger Durandel August 15, 2018 11:29 AM  

@IrishFarmer - no, we Catholics need to see and shine light on this darkness. Do not cover evil with pretty rose colored lies.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman August 15, 2018 11:37 AM  

Years ago I was introduced to the writings of John Robbins -founder of the Trinity Foundation. His basic premise was that the Catholic Church is the whore of Babolayn found in Revelation. At the time it seemed quite a bold claim. As time passes it’s seeming more prophetic and true.

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2018 11:37 AM  

"The idea of similar Satanic child abuse occuring in Judaism is hardly far-out. We should expect it. And surely the Protestant churches can only be marginally better."

I've never met an unmarried pastor in any Protestant church. It's a lot easier for a pedophile to hide in a group of the unmarried, especially given the extent to which the RCC distinguishes between priest and parishioner.

So, no, it isn't nearly as likely.

Blogger Conor Foran August 15, 2018 11:42 AM  

@WillBest You are looking at it from the wrong perspective. True celibacy is a sacrifice of the normal sexual appetite. I can attest that it is not natural but supernatural.

Celibacy for priests and elders may or may not be definitively biblical beyond reasonable doubt; but virginity is. We see it in St. Paul, and not in Protestantism.

For man it is impossible; but nothing is impossible for God.

Blogger Durandel August 15, 2018 11:43 AM  

@The Kurgan - the last time a Cardinal was found guilty in Canon court of sodemy, he was executed at Castello di Angelo.

So events might explain why Francis is trying to do an end-run around the Dogma of the legitimacy of the death penalty by changing the Church’s stance in the updated Catechism.

Good Catholics need to get in touch with the Militant side. Crusaders and Inquistors did nothing wrong.

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2018 11:44 AM  

"Celibacy for priests and elders may or may not be definitively biblical beyond reasonable doubt; but virginity is. We see it in St. Paul, and not in Protestantism."

But not in Peter.

Or the RCC prior to 1054.

Or the Eastern Orthodox.

Or the Tawahedo Orthodox.

Not even the Vatican holds to your silly position.

Blogger Cetera August 15, 2018 11:49 AM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:I'd be happy to oblige that if I knew how.



First, you follow Christ's example from the gospels. You grab yourself a weapon, you walk into the sanctuary, and you drive the evil sons-of-bitches out. You physically assault them, you curse them, and you force them to go.

There's a reason Frankie the Evil is trying to now say the death penalty is off limits. It is because he and his ilk are deserving of it.

I'm trying to decide if it would be blasphemous to crucify them next Easter season, of if we should just erect large stakes on all church properties and do them Vlad-the-Impaler style.

Blogger James Dixon August 15, 2018 11:50 AM  

> How? How's laity supposed to clean this up? At our next committee meeting? Are we supposed to vote these people out?

Tell your priest you will not be giving any money to the Catholic Church until everyone involved is removed. Then do so.

In the meantime demand your priest discuss these issues with you and demand he condemn them from the pulpit. If he's not willing to do that, he's part of the problem and needs to be removed, and the sooner you find that out the better.

Long term, any trace of homosexuality must be removed from the priesthood and the higher church offices. It's that simple. A purge is going to be required.

> One of the tenets of the Faith is that Catholicism is THE road to salvation.

One of the many reasons I'll never be a Roman Catholic. Christ is the road to salvation.

> A lot of the victims were teenagers, not children.

Because that's sooooo much better.

> The Catholic Church was institute by Christ for the salvation of souls.

The Church was instituted by Christ. The Roman Catholic Church has merely laid claim to that mantle.

> The Catholic Church has the sacraments, which can only be brought to people through men with apostolic authority.

And do you really argue Christ can't create new apostles as needed?

> The Church (the institution run by sinners to empower sinners) is not the Church (the body of repentant sinners).

Exactly. The I prefer to use lower case church for the former.

Blogger Durandel August 15, 2018 11:50 AM  

@Meanoldbastard - agreed, Orthodox (Oriental and Eastern groups) and Catholic(Western Orthodox) where founded by Christ through his apostles. Anyway, don’t tempt me to run away from this fight. I already take the fam to Latin Mass rites or Eastern Catholic rites. Can’t stand the libtardfest that is the Lutheran-Methodist garbage rite of Paul VI.

Blogger John Calla August 15, 2018 11:53 AM  

Leaving the Catholic Church at this moment in history is the equivalent of walking away from Calvary at the Crucifixion.

Blogger Durandel August 15, 2018 11:54 AM  

@Desdichado - agreed. I’m of the opinion that only dangerous men can be virtuous.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 15, 2018 11:54 AM  

And given that the job entails a lot of trust and authority over parents and their children, you might as well just hang a sign that says pedos welcome.

And that's why the job would still attract pedophiles, even if priests could be married. If you let priests marry, that would improve the homo ratio, so you'd have fewer priests molesting teenage boys and more molesting teenage girls. But marriage would also allow pedos to camouflage themselves with "beards" as they often do. Dennis Hastert was (still is) married.

Clerical celibacy is a discipline, not a doctrine, so it can be changed without violating anything. I'm not necessarily opposed to that, but I don't see it as a solution to this problem. It's much deeper than that. There are plenty of married laypeople working in diocesan offices who helped cover this stuff up too.

Blogger c0pperheaded August 15, 2018 11:55 AM  

Nate wrote:I am in agreement with Laramie. Running away is not the answer. That practice is what has allowed the left to destroy every institution it has attacked. They show up... good Christians bail out rather than to fight them. They take over.

I'm sick of it. I've been sick of it for a long time. That's why inspite of everything I am still a member of the UMC. Becuase I'd rather fight than run. And after all this time it feels like our side is finally making some progress. There is a purge coming in 2019 for the UMC.

No no no. I'm not running any more and the catholics shouldn't run either. They should stay and raise hell. They should disrupt their church. They should interfere with everything the church does and force the church to respond to them.

The shepherd is an imposter. Its time for the sheep dogs to take him out.


This is the correct position for Catholics. Fight!

Blogger Red Bane August 15, 2018 11:57 AM  

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Blogger Red Bane August 15, 2018 11:57 AM  

@29 [b]How? How's laity supposed to clean this up? At our next committee meeting? Are we supposed to vote these people out?[b/]

You don't clean up this charnel house. You let it burn. Right thinking Catholics left the mainstream Novus Ordo church a long time ago and allied with the SSPX and other such groups. It is the best we can do until God sends the fireballs. Jesus told us there would be days like this. And yet only one faithful Christian needs to remain living for the Church Militant to remain intact. Mysterious ways.

Blogger James Dixon August 15, 2018 11:59 AM  

> Clerical celibacy is a discipline, not a doctrine, so it can be changed without violating anything. I'm not necessarily opposed to that, but I don't see it as a solution to this problem. It's much deeper than that.

Of course it is. The root of the problem is that the Roman Catholic leadership no longer serves Christ. Homosexuality and child abuse is only a symptom of that.

Blogger Mr. B.A.D. August 15, 2018 11:59 AM  

The Origins of Roman Catholic dogma are pride and greed. And this has been the true of the leadership through the centuries. Only Orthodoxy has remained true.

Blogger WillBest August 15, 2018 11:59 AM  

@136

You didn't refute my point. The RCC deliberately selects for these types of priests by excluding from possibility those that are strong against sexual sin.

Yes, in God all things are possible. But God didn't make the rule that priests should be celibate, Man did.

Blogger Mr. Smith August 15, 2018 12:05 PM  

The trad Catholics need to take over the Eastern rite of the Catholic Church. Eastern rite priests can marry. It’s a small rite, that would be easy for the trads to converge.

Blogger WillBest August 15, 2018 12:08 PM  

@144 "But marriage would also allow pedos to camouflage themselves with "beards" as they often do. "

No, it won't get rid of the pedos, what it does do is allow you to play the laws of probability to mitigate the damage. If say 1 in 10 of your current applicants are pedos and that becomes 1 in 40 with the rule change, not only are you less likely to hire a pedo, but the pedo's you do hire are less likely to find cover from the institution.

Blogger Brad Matthews August 15, 2018 12:10 PM  

Muh sacraments. Maybe they could pray to some dead people for advice?

Blogger Lucius Cincinnatus August 15, 2018 12:15 PM  

Christianity was never intended to be managed by a pyramidal hierarchy. It was intended to be organized as autonomous churches with their own internal leadership. This would have prevented the wide-scale corruption and evil we are seeing the the Catholic church since...well, they began.

Blogger DJ | AMDG August 15, 2018 12:16 PM  

I will stand with you K. I think it’s also important to know for non-RCCs that our church isn’t Rome. Our church is the diocese we live and participate in and our “pastor” is our Bishop. This is really key. It’s also hard for a lot of non-RCCs to understand. I am not obligated to either Rome or the Pope. Unless the Pope speaks ex-cathedra or my bishop adopts for us what the Pope recommends and instructs me likewise, I’m under no obligation to Rome for anything. My current bishop is very conservative as is my current parish. It’s not without its faults but we’re lightyears from being like some dioceses out East. That being said, the PA report AFTER EVERYTHING, is deeply troubling. Something dramatic and fully effective must be done in Rome and at the USCCB. Finally, it gives me no comfort and is not a defense to know this evil happens at nearly the same rate in baptist circles as a previous commenter stated, or frankly in Hollywood, institutional education, or any other place. None of those are mine. I make no claims to them. I am Catholic. I am not baptist or Hollywoodist or whatever. I want my family healthy and whole and led by men of honor and fealty to the LORD.

Blogger James Dixon August 15, 2018 12:16 PM  

> Maybe they could pray to some dead people for advice?

the problem with that is that if they do they might very well hear "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius." That line does seem to be coming up a lot lately.

Blogger Mr. B.A.D. August 15, 2018 12:16 PM  

I'm not defending the RC, but you Prots need to understand that your churches are jokes to us, The Orthodox and RC. Between your skinny jeans pastors, your Creflo Dollar servants of Mammon, and your bending over backwards to embrace fags and women as clergy, your screeching about Easter and Halloween being pagan, and your Jesus-is-my-boyfriend worship, it's no wonder you treat church like a trip to the grocery store. No, there are only two options for the RC. 1) start burning these people at the stake, and become martyrs. Or 2) join the Orthodox church.

Blogger Red Bane August 15, 2018 12:16 PM  

Anne Barnhardt's latest take is very juicy. I agree with her. This a good thing for the Church in the Long term, Short/medium term will be a shit show. This needed to happen

Blogger Spud August 15, 2018 12:17 PM  

Crusaders and Inquistors did nothing wrong

What Inquisitors are you referring to? The Spanish Inquisitors were apparently extremely brutal even if you attempt to rid the biases of modern historians. I've read a few books from the late 18th century that mildly detailed some crazy shit that was done (I realize old books aren't exactly proof). There seem to be quite a few dungeons and torture rooms in old Spanish ruins.

I suppose this is a good opportunity for me to learn more about it.

Blogger Resident Moron™ August 15, 2018 12:21 PM  

Genuinely Curious is genuinely curious ...

Blogger Spud August 15, 2018 12:21 PM  

I'm not defending the RC, but you Prots need to understand that your churches are jokes to us, The Orthodox and RC.

Imagine what your churches look like to them at this point.

Blogger Mr. B.A.D. August 15, 2018 12:25 PM  

Obviously fucking kids is not a part of their regular service. But your stupidity is.

Blogger Brad Matthews August 15, 2018 12:25 PM  

Catholics. More loyal to the organization than Christ. The brainwashing blows my mind. It's completely corrupt. Always has been. "Not before Nicea. Uh, not before Vat 1. Uh, Vat 2 did it." It is a global satanic stronghold since it's inception, far worse than the Pharisees for it's nonbiblical manmade BS. It is simply being exposed and you Catholics are James Gunn supporters.

Blogger DJ | AMDG August 15, 2018 12:25 PM  

RCC parishes do have committees and organizational groups and even teams that manage all sorts of things, but local parishes are owned by the diocese in all respects, and lead priests are fully in charge of everything. Yes. They delegate a ton, but there is nothing that resembles congregationalism in the RCC. The lead priest assigned by the bishop literally holds the keys to everything at the parish level. That does not however keep parishioners from going straight to their vicars or bishops. In my last parish before leaving that state, I met every quarter with our vicariate bishop 1on1 to discuss my hopes and concerns and to just chew the fat. He was very accessible to me.

Blogger DJ | AMDG August 15, 2018 12:26 PM  

I’d love an invite to your party. Maybe get a private Slack board going?

Blogger John Calla August 15, 2018 12:28 PM  

@152 If say 1 in 10 of your current applicants are pedos and that becomes 1 in 40 with the rule change

A lot of people don't know this, but a lot of the seminaries (and maybe even most in the US at one time) were consciously selecting in the sodomites and selecting out the normal people. It wasn't a matter of laws of probabilities of the applicants or anything like that. The result you see is what was intended by those who were controlling things.

It's not uncommon in history for clerics to lead double lives (where, in this context, a double life is somebody who is using the position of priest for his own ends). In the past maybe the end goal was political power, etc. In modern times, in many cases, it's about immorality.

@153 Muh sacraments. Maybe they could pray to some dead people for advice?

All you people who are running and hiding, or sitting on the couch pointing fingers -- just sit back and watch as the men in the room roll up their sleeves and fix things. But don't think you're going to be rewarded for running away like a coward when you were most needed.

This boil needs to be lanced and the puss drained. If you're the type to get the vapors at the sight, then go over and sit with the Girl Scouts.

Blogger electricsheeple August 15, 2018 12:32 PM  

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Blogger Resident Moron™ August 15, 2018 12:33 PM  

“Leaving the Catholic Church at this moment in history is the equivalent of walking away from Calvary at the Crucifixion.”

... while Jesus was raping that baby.

Matthew 27: 66 wasn’t it?

Blogger electricsheeple August 15, 2018 12:34 PM  

In America, the Protestant churches can be a little fruity in a lot of places. Switching to an Orthodox church might be the best option over here.

Blogger DJ | AMDG August 15, 2018 12:38 PM  

C’mon Nate. I know it was the Anglos and the future named Episcopal church that won The Revolution, but Catholic missionaries were here long before The US could even be considered a cooperating group of Anglo-European colonies.

Blogger Mr. Smith August 15, 2018 12:39 PM  

Make the pope the... Patriarch of the West... again!

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 12:39 PM  

@142 "Leaving the Catholic Church at this moment in history is the equivalent of walking away from Calvary at the Crucifixion."

Absolutely. Mankind is being tested. Most fail. Most are chaff.


@153 "Muh sacraments. Maybe they could pray to some dead people for advice?"

Vs what? Tammy Faye? The Thomas Jefferson bible? Lol.

Blogger Jakob Niedzwiecki August 15, 2018 12:40 PM  

The Church was specifically targeted by the enemies of Christendom because she was the strongest bulwark. You heretics only accelerated the current decline by splintering from the Church and aiding the enemies within her. This is not the first time evil has penetrated to the highest ordestand--he Church, it will not likely be the last, and yet she will stand--with or without your help or your "personal faith."

Blogger True Man August 15, 2018 12:41 PM  

@142 Leaving the Catholic Church at this moment in history is the equivalent of walking away from Calvary at the Crucifixion.

"...I entreat you through him to separate yourselves completely from the company of false priests, for there should be no company, communion, or society between light and darkness, faithful and unfaithful, Christ and Belial....[Despise] the company of all heretics, faithfully seek out good and faithful pastors from him and know without a doubt that you shall receive them." - St. Arialdo

Blogger James Dixon August 15, 2018 12:43 PM  

> ...but you Prots need to understand that your churches are jokes to us...

And you need to understand that you're heretics to us.

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 12:43 PM  

Leaving the Catholic Church at this moment in history is the equivalent of walking away from Calvary at the Crucifixion.

That sounds like idolatry to me. Possibly even blasphemy.

Blogger GoldRush August 15, 2018 12:48 PM  

https://diversitymachtfrei.wordpress.com/2017/03/11/jewish-infiltration-of-the-catholic-church-part-1/

Blogger James Dixon August 15, 2018 12:50 PM  

> and yet she will stand--with or without your help or your "personal faith."

Oh, the Church will. The Roman Catholic Church? Maybe not.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 12:53 PM  

And you know, the globohomo, Lavender Mafia, St. Gallen Mafia crowd...they're deeply desirous of the Protestant position. They LOVE the idea of living their faith according to their whims and emotions. They LOVE the idea of private interpretation. Gay-priest-defender, Fr. Tom Rosica:

"Pope Francis breaks Catholic traditions whenever he wants, because he is “free from disordered attachments.” Our Church has indeed entered a new phase: with the advent of this first Jesuit pope, it is openly ruled by an individual rather than by the authority of Scripture alone or even its own dictates of tradition plus Scripture."

There you have it. The villification of authority, and extolling of private interpretation. The corrupt clergy yearn for the mealy-mouthed position of Churchian Protestant World. It is NO coincidence that during the Second Vatican Council, Protestants and their Jewish keepers were kept close to help guide the Church into their "New Springtime." This--and the failure of the West--is the failure of these Protestant World.

I'm all for fighting political and cultural battles. But so long as the West keeps trying to do whatever they personally interpret to be good, it will continue down this path.

Plus, God has no problem with this, in case you haven't noticed. Modern man--valuing his individualism above all authority--rejects being told what to do. God gives modern man what he asks for as a punishment, just as He did with the Hebrews of the Old Testament.

The clergy needs to be cleansed from their protestant leanings. It isn't right to be in open protest to something Jesus established.

Blogger Spud August 15, 2018 12:58 PM  

Obviously fucking kids is not a part of their regular service. But your stupidity is.

Neither is wearing skinny jeans part of theirs yet, on an article detailing the exposure of another Catholic pedophile/rapist ring, you take the opportunity to insult a different denomination.

Blogger Dire Badger August 15, 2018 1:00 PM  

There is a way for the Catholics to clean their own house. But it is a solution all refuse to even consider, despite it's obviousness.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 15, 2018 1:05 PM  

Dad29 wrote:One of the tenets of the Faith is that Catholicism is THE road to salvation.

Heresy.

Mr. B.A.D. wrote:... you Prots need to understand that your churches are jokes to us, The Orthodox and RC. Between your skinny jeans pastors, your Creflo Dollar servants of Mammon, and your bending over backwards to embrace fags and women as clergy, your screeching about Easter and Halloween being pagan, and your Jesus-is-my-boyfriend worship, ...

That sounds a lot like the modern RCC, but those legitimate complaints aren't why we see the RCC as heresy. The lie that salvation comes from the RCC rather than from faith in the Christ is why we call you heretics.

Yes, I know that there are many actual Christians in the Orthodox churches, and even in the Roman schism.

Blogger Doktor Jeep August 15, 2018 1:09 PM  

The Vatican will have to be a museum if standing at all after this.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 1:09 PM  

@182 One of the tenets of the Faith is that Catholicism is THE road to salvation.


Heresy.


Funny watching heretics call non-heretics the heretics. This has all been foreseen.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 15, 2018 1:12 PM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:And you know, the globohomo, Lavender Mafia, St. Gallen Mafia crowd...they're deeply desirous of the Protestant position. They LOVE the idea of living their faith according to their whims and emotions. They LOVE the idea of private interpretation.

Straw man argument. That is not the Protestant position, it is the Apostate position. No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Hermeneutics is so absurdly simple that the RCC had to forbid bible reading, lest people see through their ``traditions'' and return to the one true faith: faith in Jesus.

Blogger Starboard August 15, 2018 1:14 PM  

The church needs to clean its ranks before option 3 becomes the compelling choice.

"Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 15, 2018 1:15 PM  

@184: Laramie, Matthew 7:22 was aimed at people who trust in church and not in Christ.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 1:16 PM  

@185 No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Sure it is. Protestants read it. Then they hold the Bible to their chest, deciding how they'll interpret it. Then they go downtown, get a minister's licence and start a new "church" in the local strip mall.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 1:17 PM  

@186. Yes, yes. Caedite eos! Kill them all! No need to tease us! You know you want to. Why be so veiled about it?

Blogger Warunicorn August 15, 2018 1:25 PM  

John Calla wrote:Leaving the Catholic Church at this moment in history is the equivalent of walking away from Calvary at the Crucifixion.



Mensch, I never left the Church, the Church left me with its socialist bullshit about how I have to help illegals that are deliberately taking advantage of this country of ours.

Don't even go there.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 15, 2018 1:27 PM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:@185 Protestants read it. Then they hold the Bible to their chest, deciding how they'll interpret it. Then they go downtown, get a minister's licence and start a new "church" in the local strip mall.

Some do that, like Poop Francis making up Roman doctrine.

If they are Protestants because they say they are, then Pope Francis is the 100% legitimate Pope because he says he is.

If you don't find salvation through faith in Jesus, you don't find salvation.

Blogger DangerSemiconductor August 15, 2018 1:27 PM  

@100 The Kurgan wrote:Lack of sex with women doesn’t turn a normal man into a pedophile.

The lack of marriage for Catholic priests blocks normal, white, straight men from the Catholic priesthood, allowing abnormal men to dominate that hierarchy.

Blogger S1AL August 15, 2018 1:30 PM  

It's disconcerting to me to see the response to this topic devolve to "But, but, Protestants and skinny jeans!"

Reminder: Italian Catholics made tights on men fashionable.

But, by all means, let's discuss fashion.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook August 15, 2018 1:34 PM  

"Leaving the Catholic Church at this moment in history is the equivalent of walking away from Calvary at the Crucifixion."

Wait for interdenominational communion. This crazy train has no breaks.

Blogger Kat August 15, 2018 1:42 PM  

Can someone please get Laramie back on his meds?

It's all "my one holy and apostolic church" in the comments, but the dating sites all have you list your "rite" in your profile. Ortho Caths have denominations just like the Prots - they just won't admit to them.

By their fruit you shall know them. Well, the only fruit I see is poisonous, and some of y'all are still polishing it.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 1:42 PM  

It just amazes me that people can't wrap their heads around the idea that, should the Catholic Church be the real deal, Satan would want to internally corrupt it in this way. --that it'd be a special object of hate.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch August 15, 2018 1:49 PM  

@195. I'm just wondering where the other Catholics, passionate about their faith, are hiding. I sure as hell won't.

Catholics in this country fail time and again. And now, they are failing to discuss this issue with the non-Catholics. It's as if the prerequisite for being an American Catholic is to not rock the boat.

Satan has worked hard to obscure everything.

Blogger VD August 15, 2018 1:49 PM  

It just amazes me that people can't wrap their heads around the idea that, should the Catholic Church be the real deal, Satan would want to internally corrupt it in this way. --that it'd be a special object of hate.

What's amazing is that you have so little idea how you are convincing everyone, Protestants, Orthodox, and Catholics alike, that some Catholics will defend pedos and Satanists to the death so long as they call themselves Catholics.

You've convinced me that Catholics have to go back too.

Blogger John Calla August 15, 2018 1:55 PM  

@192 The lack of marriage for Catholic priests blocks normal, white, straight men from the Catholic priesthood, allowing abnormal men to dominate that hierarchy.

There have been plenty of "normal, straight men" applying to seminary and have been either rejected or they have "washed out".

People who don't understand the problem shouldn't be offering a diagnosis and treatment.

We should listen to those who know and understand these problems inside and out. They are telling you and me what the problem is. Let's listen to them and stop offering our own theories based on personal hunches.

Blogger Starboard August 15, 2018 2:00 PM  

Laramie, if the Catholic Church has beeen corrupted by Satan, then it is no longer the real deal. If the traditions, the clergy, and the missions have all been corrupted, what is left? If there is a remnant, then cleaning the ranks will strengthen it. Doing so before the final tip into "kill them all" would be preferable.

These failures apply to Catholic and Protestant alike, thus the small c church. The OP is about the Catholic Church in general and six diocese in PA in particular, so the discusssion centers on the Catholic Church today.

As for being coy, I was quoting a post from yesterday: http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/08/30-percent.html Sorry if it was too vague.

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