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Tuesday, August 21, 2018

Why conservatives will lose a civil war

As the prospects for actual conflict grow, more and more right-wingers are beginning to realize that conservatives cannot be relied upon to fight for anything:
Would conservatives achieve an easy victory against the left if it came down to civil war?  The question seems less absurd by the day as tensions increase between the right and left.  Many conservative writers seem to think the left would fold quickly and the right would triumph. One has good reason to doubt that.  Consider basic issues like political bias in universities, or religious integrity.  After decades of exposés and outcries from conservatives over liberal tyranny, universities are as biased as they ever were....

I am nowhere near as confident as Kurt Schlichter that the right wing could trounce the left wing in battle.  We can't even unite to keep Alex Jones on Facebook.  It is true that conservatives have more guns and are probably better street fighters.  But conservatives also cave in large numbers even when their most sacred cows are in danger – such as the First Amendment or Christian principles.  The two latter issues sit at the core of academic bias and debates on sexuality, respectively.  I have the war wounds from both battles and can attest to the repeating scenario: conservatives talk and talk about what they believe and how bad the left is.  Then they give up droves when it comes time to fight.

Take the question of defending the gospel.  We hear constant sermons from Christian preachers that speak of standing by God's word even in the face of popular criticism.  In anticipation of the Southern Baptist Convention's annual meeting, I spent months searching for people be willing to sign on to a resolution affirming Christian sexual ethics and supporting churches' rights to offer counseling in defiance of laws like California's "stay gay" bill.  Almost sixteen million Americans claim to be Southern Baptists.  I could not find a single person willing to back the resolution.  When I submitted it under my own name, it was killed in committee and never brought to the floor.
If you look at the history of ideologically-based civil wars, the odds most certainly do not favor the more conservative sides. The Spanish Civil War was one of the few in which the socialists were ultimately defeated, and yet, neither Franco nor the Phalange were ever embraced by the Right throughout the West.

I've been reading James Burnham's Suicide of the West, and one of the things that is particularly shocking is his 39-question poll which divides the conservatives of 1965 from liberal-progressives. I'll post it later today, as it shows very clearly that today's conservatives are yesterday's progressives.

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Blogger Brick Hardslab August 21, 2018 11:04 AM  

Yeah conservatives are all too willing to surrender.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 21, 2018 11:16 AM  

So long as we don't accept Conservative leadership we'll be just fine.

Blogger Uncle Max August 21, 2018 11:17 AM  

Is part of it that "conservatives" have more to lose?.. ie, financial or stability, so they'll usually be in a "reactive" mode. The reactive side would be always be giving the initiative to the ideologues...ie, the reactionaries... the radicals.

Therefore, there is a better chance for fracturing on what to do about any given threat and less chance of cohesion for " conservatives" vs radicals that will have the initiative, but default. No?

Blogger Long Live The West August 21, 2018 11:18 AM  

Would conservatives use their guns to shoot an 'innocent' policeman when he shows up to take their firearms? Would they really make widows and orphans over a silly gun?

I don't think so.

The problem most conservatives have is that they think the people coming to take their guns will be evil russians who come in guns blazing.

They aren't prepared to stand up to the friendly neighborhood cop.

Blogger IrishFarmer August 21, 2018 11:24 AM  

Conservatives were excited about some survey a few years back which showed that Conservatives are the political majority in the USA. I was excited at first too, but years later i became black pilled by the survey because what it really shows is that nearly everyone in america is a leftist of some kind. Either a liberal leftist or conservative leftist, but like it or not actual right wingers are a tiny minority. Any realistic plan of action should take that into account.

Blogger a - k August 21, 2018 11:25 AM  

No one wants to turn a US city into a moonscape on the right, on the left they're all too willing to destroy anything in their path.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim August 21, 2018 11:26 AM  

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Blogger John Calla August 21, 2018 11:30 AM  

Right now there is no winning strategy on the right (conservative, alt-right, whatever). We just haven't come up with one yet and I don't know what it is. The Left is able to fight without suffering any consequences, which is a huge advantage.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 21, 2018 11:32 AM  

I've been reading James Burnham's Suicide of the West, and one of the things that is particularly shocking is his 39-question poll which divides the conservatives of 1965 from liberal-progressives. I'll post it later today, as it shows very clearly that today's conservatives are yesterday's progressives.

Joseph Ratzinger, a.k.a. "Pope Benedict XVI", is a great example.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 21, 2018 11:33 AM  

@5 IrishFarmer

Jennifer Rubin is a "conservative"... that tells you all you need to know.

Blogger EricW August 21, 2018 11:37 AM  

I just finished Kai Wai Cheah's "Hammer of the Witches". A great read, and I love how he's tied in the alt-right and the 16 Points. Definitely a good understanding of where "conservatives" are today.

Blogger Salt August 21, 2018 11:37 AM  

I think Conservatives have a guilt complex. It's one thing to talk, another to act.

Blogger electricsheeple August 21, 2018 11:40 AM  

Mussolini was able to organize enough good men to take control of the state and fend off a Communist revolution, but that was to PREVENT a Civil War. Our situation is so dire, that Trump can't even get get his AG to fire his Deputy AG.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction August 21, 2018 11:42 AM  

@3 Some of that, but also, as Vox has noted many times, conservativism isn't an ideology, it's a positioning relative to progressivism, and, above all else, they want to be seen as nice and proper.

Blogger Johnny August 21, 2018 11:44 AM  

The key to conservative victory is for the conservatives to have their interests damaged before the other side comes fully to power. Or to put it another way, until they get smacked up side the head they don't respond.

Blogger John Best August 21, 2018 11:45 AM  

Conservatives have a posture of never ending retreat, then when someone doesn't retreat they denounce them as violent terrorists or racists. Its like the battle hardened Highland clans fighting their way down Britain in the Jacobite Rising, then some cucks create discontent and fear, then the Conservatives run all the way back to the Highlands to be crushed by the Duke of Cumberland. Then they scream victimhood and virtue signal about how awful the left is, as they are burned out of their homes by the forces of state.

Blogger Lamarck Leland August 21, 2018 11:46 AM  

Conservatives will fight to death to prove they are not like "those other conservatives"

Blogger Johnny August 21, 2018 11:46 AM  

>>nearly everyone in America is a leftist of some kind.

Through the years I have watched people vote for the handout side; the government benefits side, real or imagined.

Blogger Mr. Deficient August 21, 2018 11:47 AM  

I know you don't particularly care about Canada, but they are really a great example of "conservatives are yesterdays progressives". Their main right wing party is called "Progressive Conservative Party".


Look at what happened when the Libertarian darling of the conservative party questioned "ever more diversity".


https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/tory-mp-bernier-criticized-for-saying-more-diversity-will-destroy-what-makes-canada-great-1.4050494

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 11:48 AM  

"Conservatives" are useless, maybe worse than useless..The only people who can be counted on to fight are Reactionaries, fighting to preserve their traditional way of life, like Franco. In the US, this is a heavily armed group, with many veterans...But whether there will be enough is questionable.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey August 21, 2018 11:50 AM  

Conservatives will have some loved ones who are progressives. A spouse maybe, a child, a sibling, a parent, cousins. Even when the conservative fully internalizes the hard, bitter fact that leftism is cultural suicide they will resist facing the implications of that fully. They will attempt to muddle along, the status quo of malaise and terminal decline.


Tacitus noted a similar phenomenon, saying that the Rome of his day was sickly and terminally so in fact. And everybody seemed to know it, but "no one can stomach the medicine that will cure her."


It is a big part of why the dissolution of the United States is guaranteed. There won't be a big national rallying around the flag. Conservatives gripe about the NFL's flag protests but cannot even be roused to flatly demand an end to them -- their cultural attachment the forms of football are like their familial commitments. Divorce is too painful. They will reliably conserve nothing. The necessary radical actions are too hard and harsh to bear.

When the end of the United States comes, and it is coming, conservatives may be roused reluctantly to local, regional action. Forget the trans-continental constitutional model, forget much of the established costal regions.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 11:50 AM  

Conservatives will fight to death to prove they are not like "those other conservatives"

Conservatives won't fight to the death for anything, not even to save their own children.

Blogger Uncle Max August 21, 2018 11:51 AM  

I read this morning in comments somewhere else that the Left will keep coming... they will not relent... like banzai attacks.. I thought that apt. The Japanese fought on many of the island-battles this way.. ultimately futile, but ....

I get VO's gist that the left has what, advantage? or more passion? Granted. But I think it's possible, like the Japanese, they have the ideology... the passion, but could be defeated by their own tactics. Just pondering.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 11:54 AM  

"Would conservatives use their guns to shoot an 'innocent' policeman when he shows up to take their firearms? Would they really make widows and orphans over a silly gun? "

Of course, Conservatives wouldn't, but there are plenty of people outside the big cities in the West who would, some of them policemen.

Blogger LES August 21, 2018 11:55 AM  

@13 Before Hitler became Hitler, in the late 1920's he joined a nationalist German political party. The National Socialist party grew under his leadership. Communist gangs would beat up the people who attended the meetings so Hitler formed the Brown Shirts to fight the communist gangs. The communist groups included the Young Antifascist Guard, the Fighting League Against Fascism, and the Anti-Fascist Action Group. They were banned in 1933. Truth is, Italy was fascist, Germany was nationalist. Hitler saw that the communists had taken over Russia and were determined to take over Germany.

Blogger NO GOOGLES August 21, 2018 11:58 AM  

Conservatives can be converted to useful human beings, but only through pain. They must have their ox gored sufficiently and be disabused of the notion that if they somehow cuck enough that they will be spared. That is how a lot of the people who I know became alt-right - the realization that they can either fight and take a risk, or concede defeat and lose everything.

Secondly, it's something that has been happening piecemeal and has been accelerating in the last few years. With the banning of Alex Jones I've seen some number of "conservatives" have the epiphany that there is no room for them in the future if they are not willing to fight and make one. Many of them still rationalize that "oh well Alex Jones is a bad guy because the left wing people told me he was, so it's OK if he gets purged - I'm not going to be next, I'm a good boy."

One delusion I held for a long time was that if the moment ever came where cops were ordered to go door to door and confiscate weapons that most of them would refuse. I'm sure that some might, but most of the cops that wouldn't agree with such an order would do it anyways just to avoid having their ox gored. After all, what would happen to cops that refused an order?

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 11:58 AM  

The strategy of such a fight would not be very complicated...Cut off/reduce supplies of food, water, electricity, and fuel to the big cities. Most of which would not be very difficult, given the extremely fragile nature of these systems. Transformers take how long to replace?

Blogger widlast washere August 21, 2018 11:59 AM  

You must remember though that leftists are cowards, through and through. As soon as a few of theirs get bloodied the rest will turn and run.

Blogger Lamarck Leland August 21, 2018 12:00 PM  

There are many conservatives who have bravely paid the ultimate price just so they wouldn't be called a bad word

Blogger Chase August 21, 2018 12:03 PM  

Whew. Imagine being so concerned with your own comfort and status that you can’t look even 20 years ahead and anticipate problems for your grandchildren.

Blogger Allen Skeens August 21, 2018 12:04 PM  

Or flee the country.

Blogger VD August 21, 2018 12:04 PM  

The strategy of such a fight would not be very complicated...Cut off/reduce supplies of food, water, electricity, and fuel to the big cities. Most of which would not be very difficult, given the extremely fragile nature of these systems. Transformers take how long to replace?

But conservatives wouldn't do that. You're missing the point.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 21, 2018 12:07 PM  

Conservatives would rather take a stand in a losing cause than fight in a winning one. A principled stand against something like left-wing bias in academia is perfect, because it'll never change on its own, so it's a very stable position to hold. You can even make a career of it.

Blogger James Dixon August 21, 2018 12:08 PM  

Allow me to make some criticisms.

> ...conservatives talk and talk about what they believe and how bad the left is. Then they give up droves when it comes time to fight.

He seems to be talking about rank and file conservatives, not the bowtie cuckservatives of Conservative, Inc. So, fight how, exactly? Conservatives make them arguments. Conservatives vote. Conservatives appeal to the courts. What does he expect them to do when none of those work? Break the law? I suspect he'd be the first to decry anyone who did.

He himself said "When I submitted it under my own name, it was killed in committee and never brought to the floor." Is he complaining about people who already knew the deck was stacked and didn't bother to play?

> The slander campaign against Roy Moore and suspicious timeline of voting returns on Alabama's election night both offered an occasion for conservatives to contest the election. Right-wingers abandoned the issue within twenty-four hours of Jones's suspicious victory.

That's a lie. Moore did contest the election. How much good did it do him?

> Prudence calls for us to rally our troops to fight smear campaigns rigorously and to monitor the elections for voting fraud.

The smear campaigns against Moore were fought rigorously. Did it do any good? We have monitored for voter fraud. Numerous cases have been reported. How many have been prosecuted?

Here's the thing. When the systems have been turned against you it does you no good to fight within the system. You have to bypass it. But bypassing the system is illegal in many cases. Catch 22.

We have to create our own systems where possible. Where not, we have to willing to ignore or even break the current ones. And eventually that's going to bring legal conflicts. What then?

Violence and law breaking are already acceptable for the left. Most recent example: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/21/confederate-statue-on-unc-campus-toppled-by-protesters.html

Look how proudly they pose for the cameras. They know nothing will happen to them. They're probably right.

We can't say they same. What do you think would happen to any conservatives who openly overturned an MLK statue? And he wonders whey we don't "fight" on their terms?

He complains a lot, but never asks the obvious questions, or considers the obvious answers.

When faced with law breakers who never face justice, at what point does vigilante justice become acceptable?
At what point does responding to voter fraud with voter fraud become acceptable?
At what point does responding to violence with violence become acceptable?

If voting doesn't work, eventually violence will be the only solution. And probably much sooner than any of us would want. It could happen as early as this November.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz August 21, 2018 12:08 PM  

I think he's missing the mark on a couple of key points.
First, the GOP is loaded with Liberals. It's not that they won't fight, it's that they mostly agree. Look how quick they are to come out and condemn people critical of LGBT and Equalitarians as bigots and Nazis. Even Cernovich had to virtue snivel by donating to Heather Heyer! OH how these people love to virtue snivel with tokens. This is why Candice Owens and Diamond and Silk became superstars of the so-called right wing. They do the same thing with Trannies. OH, look how tolerant we are!

Gay money? Give me a break. What, is homosexual supposed to be codeword or something? We all know (((who))) is financing both the progressive left and the cucked right. The LGBTQ.... is loaded with members of the tribe.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 21, 2018 12:09 PM  

widlast washere wrote:You must remember though that leftists are cowards, through and through. As soon as a few of theirs get bloodied the rest will turn and run.
The twentieth century would like to disabuse you of your mistaken notion.

Blogger English Tom August 21, 2018 12:09 PM  

Conservatives.

These people should be called Laxatives as they're full of shit.
I consider myself a very tolerant easy going live and let live type of guy, but there's a major threat to our children and grandchildren and in that respect I believe it's perfectly acceptable to create oceans of blood to protect our treasure.
I don't think anyone on this blog would disagree with such a position.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 12:10 PM  

Government finances, and with that government moral authority and efficiency, are declining rapidly in the US..Hence it will be very advantageous to delay such conflict, and that's where Trump's SCOTUS nominations will be extremely important. By 2032, and possibly before, I question whether the Bolsheviks' agenda will be enforceable...

Blogger Random #57 August 21, 2018 12:10 PM  

@32 VD:

But conservatives wouldn't [cut off supplies to cities]. You're missing the point.

Cutting electricity to cities requires only a tiny group of people. It would have to be a small group or set of groups anyway, since a large group would get betrayed by a conservative before they would have a chance to act.

Blogger Timmy3 August 21, 2018 12:11 PM  

Conservatives lose, but Liberals don’t win.

Blogger DonReynolds August 21, 2018 12:12 PM  

The separation between military and civil pre-dates the Roman Empire and continues today. Yet, people keep ignoring that fact. The political conservatives and the political liberals are not going to fight any wars. So any such contest between liberal and conservative (however you wish to divide that) will be fought by their respective military formations. Both sides will meet all expectations. It will NOT be a contest between redneck militia gun owners and peacenik hippie pot smokers, as some like to characterize it.

Civil government will continue to be the same civil government, no matter whether the Congress and legislature is communist, socialist, capitalist, or fascist, or libertarian. (Yes, there is such a thing.) All you need to do is revisit the relationship between the Continental Congress and Washington's army.

Blogger Unknown August 21, 2018 12:13 PM  

Is Franco's Spain a good example of a modern right-wing state according to VD's definition of prioritizing God, family, and nation? If so, I think that people of the right have an obligation to explain whether that's roughly what we're advocating for, just as leftists have the burden of explaining Cuba and Venezuela.

As I recall, there was a widespread problem of baby-snatching in Franco's Spain. On the bright side, they did largely sit out WWII. And they gave up their colonies more readily than France.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 12:15 PM  

@36 "The twentieth century would like to disabuse you of your mistaken notion."

Not really. The Bolsheviks didn't do their own fighting, they duped other groups into doing most of the fighting. In places like Cambodia, there was no fighting, just surrender.Also, in most of these cases, the opposition had been disarmed..Where there was serious organized and armed resistance, as in Germany, France, Spain, and Italy, they lost..

Blogger widlast washere August 21, 2018 12:16 PM  

"The twentieth century would like to disabuse you of your mistaken notion."

Then is not now. We have little to fear from antifa soybois and lefty professors in tweed.

Blogger English Tom August 21, 2018 12:17 PM  

@Tars Tarkusz

Virtue snivel.

Good one.

Blogger August August 21, 2018 12:18 PM  

I often get the feeling that a large swath of conservatives, libertarians, an-cap, and whoever else is cool with guns are setting themselves up for failure. Because practically anyone with some access to government can show up with superior force, so chances are high folks will end up surrounded and alone. Plus the surveillance situation- if you aren't in charge of the local surveillance you are at an extreme disadvantage. All of this stuff requires a level of cooperation - a level of governance- that we generally don't find comfortable and not even useful, given that we generally don't want to be nosing into other people's business. Unfortunately- if, for instance, the F.B.I. send provocateurs into your county, they will have free reign unless the locals have their stuff together.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction August 21, 2018 12:21 PM  

One only need look at the example on how conservatives handle Antifa relative to the right. During the battle of Berkley tea party conservatives were content to mew about how barbaric and hitlery Antifa was acting towards them. The right was content responding in kind to the violence. If conservatives are unwilling to (justifiably) defend themselves in a street brawl then they will do as much if bullets start flying.

O you can look at their respective role models.

Conservative role models are the likes of Ben Shaprio. The Rights heroes are likes of Based Stickman or Chad Thunderfists.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 12:26 PM  

@32 Of course, Conservatives wouldn't do anything, and probably wouldn't have the expertise anyway...But a handful of people with serious rifles and a few explosives could do a remarkable amount of damage to critical installations like the electric grid and gas/oil pipelines..And most people in the gas and oil business are well aware of this...

Blogger John Calla August 21, 2018 12:30 PM  

@44 We have little to fear from antifa soybois and lefty professors in tweed.

Those antifa soyboys have drawn far more blood than the right has. There are hundreds of pictures out there of blood-soaked folks in MAGA hats. And they've even escaped jail after doing it.

But keep telling yourself whatever you need to hear to stay optimistic.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 12:31 PM  

But on a more optimistic note, have definitely noticed that a de-cucking process has been underway with some of the conservatives I know...The Leftist maniacs openly talking about genocide has been helpful, I think.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz August 21, 2018 12:34 PM  

If a group of right wingers cut the power to a city, a group of Conservatives would be the first people working their asses off to restore the power! While the progressive pets are trying to tear the city down, those good-men will be sacrificing to save them. This is the mind of a conservative.

They have not only refused to fight, they actually go out of their way to fight us!

Tucker is a great example. He was sperging about no longer having rule of law as of last week because the Portland police wouldn't protect ICE workers. He completely ignores how every leftist who has attacked a Trump supporter in the last 3 years have quietly either been ignored entirely or let off the hook if the mob was able to demand the arrest. It has been the status quo that right wingers don't get police protection for many years in these big cities.

Heaven forbid that anyone on the right say the word White. Even Trump knows the right will quickly run away if he talks explicitly about white people in anything other than condemnation.

This is why the right, as it is currently constituted cannot win. If you refuse to fight, you cannot win, period.

Blogger Garuna August 21, 2018 12:34 PM  

Conservatives don't exist. If they did, they'd be filled with righteous anger at current year degeneracy. And they would mobilize.

The people who call themselves conservatives are just phonies. Their feckless reaction to the Alex Jones banning was a huge redpill + blackpill.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 12:34 PM  

@49 If it gets serious, do you really think this battle will be fought with bike locks?

Blogger SDaly August 21, 2018 12:36 PM  

Any hope for the right winning a civil war in the US is for it to sow dissention among the fragile leftist coalition - blacks vs. Hispanics vs. Asians vs. Whites -- to achieve what would be a pre-emptive race war. "Conservatives" would fight against that tooth and nail.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 12:36 PM  

@51 If a group of right wingers cut the power to a city, a group of Conservatives would be the first people working their asses off to restore the power!

Good, because they'll screw it up...This stuff isn't for amateurs and poseurs.

Blogger Ledford Ledford August 21, 2018 12:37 PM  

Have taken Burnham's test, and I still score as liberal/progressive. Every year, though, my score moves right.

Every year I begin to realize my grandfather was smarter than I thought.

Blogger James Dixon August 21, 2018 12:40 PM  

> Because practically anyone with some access to government can show up with superior force, so chances are high folks will end up surrounded and alone.

You think? Fighting back costs people their livelihoods. Sometimes it costs them their lives. James Damore fought back, to give just one example. Like I said, and he wonders why we don't fight on their terms.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz August 21, 2018 12:41 PM  

@55 They can stand around with guns protecting the professionals restoring the power.
But you are missing the point which is that Conservatives are not going to be very helpful and are likely to actively harm us.

Blogger Random #57 August 21, 2018 12:41 PM  

@51 Tars Tarkusz:

If a group of right wingers cut the power to a city, a group of Conservatives would be the first people working their asses off to restore the power!

Doesn't matter if enough large transformers to enough large cities are destroyed at the same time. They could be replaced a lot faster that the normal turnaround time in such a crisis, but not before most of the people in those cities are dead from lack of water if they can't evacuate quickly enough. And it has to be multiple cities, so the conservatives who rescue these people can't surge like they normally do when a hurricane strikes.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 12:42 PM  

One has to remember that in a real all out conflict, the skilled work crews necessary to repair the downed lines, blown up stations, ruptured pipelines, etc. would have to be choppered in and protected from snipers and IEDs, which would be a huge drain on resources...

Blogger John Calla August 21, 2018 12:43 PM  

The word is that Trump picked up the phone and called Jeff Sessions and told him to deport this 95-year old Nazi that's stuck in a wheelchair.

So the good news is that Trump does in fact have a direct line to Sessions.

The bad news is that he uses it for stupid stuff.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 12:43 PM  

@59 The last I heard, the backlog for large transformers was about 18 months...

Blogger James Dixon August 21, 2018 12:44 PM  

> This is why the right, as it is currently constituted cannot win. If you refuse to fight, you cannot win, period.

Exactly. Which is why, as Vox says, the alt-right is inevitable. We will support whatever methods work.

Blogger Gen. Kong August 21, 2018 12:45 PM  

VD:
If you look at the history of ideologically-based civil wars, the odds most certainly do not favor the more conservative sides. The Spanish Civil War was one of the few in which the socialists were ultimately defeated, and yet, neither Franco nor the Phalange were ever embraced by the Right throughout the West.

So true. Note also the Phalange is long gone and the Socialists now rule - busily importing new African voters by the boatload. The Phalange was also undermined by the pedo infiltration of the Catholic Church (starting in the 1920s) which was accelerated massively after Vatican II. Conservatives seem fundamentally incapable of conserving anything - even their own parties and organizations.

Blogger Durandel August 21, 2018 12:48 PM  

So Vox, is there something inherent in Conservatism or Conservative positions that people inclined towards it are well meaning cowards?

Not defending the Baptist faith strikes me as many a Baptist no longer really believing. Cons who do the big talk about free speech and gun rights can’t muster courage to stick their necks out nor animate themselves to organize and fight...”cause they are too busy working” goes the excuse.

You’ve said Conservatism is a pose. So does proper ideology of the Right not hold a conservative view? Is Conservertism a position only taken by cowards and those overly concerned with appearing sensible to the crowd?

Blogger DonReynolds August 21, 2018 12:49 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:@49 If it gets serious, do you really think this battle will be fought with bike locks?

No....the last battle will be fought with sharpened sticks and stones.

Blogger eclecticme August 21, 2018 12:50 PM  

I don't see conservatives in cities shooting the local cop who comes to confiscate their guns. What I see is revenge after the fact when the gun owner is jailed for having the arms in the first place. It may be the owner, next of kin, or a friend.

The military power of the state is well known but they are spread thin. Look at how two punks with pressure cooker bombs tied up the feds in Boston. How many feds at Ruby Ridge, etc.? On the other hand the feds did not add much value as the situtations could have been handled better with a few local cops.

Not advocating here, heavens no. Just predicting.

Blogger StrongCoffee61 August 21, 2018 12:50 PM  

Conservatism = Rightwingism - Nationalism - Aggressive White Defense.

In other words, rightwingism - bone - blood.

A spineless anemic political force isn't going to win anything worthwhile.

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 21, 2018 12:51 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:@49 If it gets serious, do you really think this battle will be fought with bike locks?

Guns are cheap, and you can train urban warfare cannon fodder in a few weeks. The left has money and organisation. The money would be used to buy equipment and the organisation would be used to mobilise their cannonfodder. They put 3 million people on the streets on short notice after trump was elected. The right OTOH couldnt organise a pissup in a brewery.

The left has consistently shown greater courage, conviction and energy. Most of the ultimate badasses out there would meekly submit and hand in their guns when the time comes because they are more afraid of looking bad and causing trouble than anything else.

Blogger Damelon Brinn August 21, 2018 12:52 PM  

Buckley's quote about standing athwart history shouting "Stop!" spells it out. Conservatives are disposed to conserving the current condition. At most, they might want to roll back a few things like Roe v. Wade. But how many conservative men with daughters would roll back things like no-fault divorce and women's rights and risk their daughter getting stuck with a less-than-ideal husband? Mostly, they're comfortable with things as they are, or as they were a few years ago.

By the time men are ready to fight to change things and risk losing that comfort, they aren't conservative anymore.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz August 21, 2018 12:55 PM  

Pyrrhus You are sperging on the details. The power thing is just a hypothetical to show a larger point.
The larger point is that the conservative movement is loaded with cucks. They haven't even been able to conserve the damn ladies' room! Does that sound like a winning track-record to you?

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 21, 2018 12:55 PM  

IrishFarmer wrote:but years later i became black pilled by the survey because what it really shows is that nearly everyone in america is a leftist of some kind. Either a liberal leftist or conservative leftist, but like it or not actual right wingers are a tiny minority.

I'd make a bit of a change to how you've put it (though I agree with your underlying premise).

We have left liberals and right liberals. And very few real right wingers; though it's growing, as we know.

And it's been that way for a long time now, with the whole thing sliding leftward over time. This is something that eludes most people. I know I didn't understand it until reading this blog.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 12:56 PM  

It is reported that the average urban household has 3 days of food supplies. That is a formula for disaster in any major supply disruption, whatever the cause, and the situation only gets worse as America adds more and more useless mouths through immigration. Just a dollar collapse or a default that could interrupt the 11 million bpd of oil we import would wreak havoc...

Blogger James Dixon August 21, 2018 12:57 PM  

> By the time men are ready to fight to change things and risk losing that comfort, they aren't conservative anymore.

Agreed, but the author of the article lumps everyone on the right together as "conservatives". He doesn't recognize that there's a new player in the game.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 12:59 PM  

@71 I have agreed with that point throughout, the bowtiecons and their followers are useless, or worse...But living in southern AZ, where there are hundreds of thousands of ex-military, retired cops, hunters, ranchers, shooters of every description, I can tell you that many of them are far to the right of Conservatism, Inc.

Blogger Duh-ave August 21, 2018 12:59 PM  

@53 I love my AR pistol so much That I bought 2 more. One for the wife and the other for back up. The Hornady Black line of ammo is perfect for these pistols. I do wonder if I should have chosen 300 Black Out like my son instead of 5.56 Nato.

Blogger Johnny August 21, 2018 1:00 PM  

For those who may not know, there are a small number of large transformers (a hundred or more), that are absolutely vital for electric power in most places. And they can not be replaced quickly. If they were all damaged it would shut down our industrial society for a couple of years.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 1:05 PM  

"He doesn't recognize that there's a new player in the game."
Hardly any of these, mostly urban, writers do, or will for awhile. Gotta stay respectable and cash those checks.
But the new player is already punching above his weight...

Blogger Random #57 August 21, 2018 1:06 PM  

@62 pyrrhus:

@59 The last I heard, the backlog for large transformers was about 18 months...

That's in normal times when other transformers can pick up the slack and people aren't dying evey minute.

@71 Tars Tarkusz

Pyrrhus You are sperging on the details. The power thing is just a hypothetical to show a larger point.

The details can matter very much, it takes very few people to make a widespread electrical system attack on multiple cities at the same time, so "help" from conservatives in doing this or trying to save people is irrelevant. 18 months or 18 days, it doesn't matter when people die of thirst in 2 days or so.

Blogger VD August 21, 2018 1:07 PM  

What I see is revenge after the fact when the gun owner is jailed for having the arms in the first place. It may be the owner, next of kin, or a friend.

It won't happen. My father was jailed and his conservative friends fell all over each other running away from him before they could be asked to even be a character witness.

Most conservatives live in terror that they might be next. They all just hope to be eaten last.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz August 21, 2018 1:07 PM  

@77 This only during normal times. There is a waiting period because the replacement isn't absolutely necessary right now. Do you really think this couldn't be sped up if there was rioting in a city without grid power?
@67 I don't see gun confiscation ever. They will be outlawed at 95% of gun owners will willingly give their guns up in a buy-back program for 10% of its value. The rest will be attrition.

Blogger Roy August 21, 2018 1:07 PM  

@76 300 BLK is fun but it's main purpose is fulfilled only when used with a suppressor; subsonic with a big 245gr boolit. A 7" shorty is great entertainment.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 1:08 PM  

@77 For those who may not know, there are a small number of large transformers (a hundred or more), that are absolutely vital for electric power in most places. And they can not be replaced quickly. If they were all damaged it would shut down our industrial society for a couple of years.

Exactly my point, and even a few would cause widespread blackouts, and would also cut power to other vital installations, like compressor stations.

Blogger Jason August 21, 2018 1:10 PM  

The righteous are bold as a lion, (prov 28:1) and yet most "conservatives" are not bold. Applying the transitive property...my guess is most "conservatives" prefer keeping the skeletons they adore locked neatly in their closets rather than take any action that could risk the loss or revelation of those skeletons to the world.


Which of us bothers to stand up for truth when we are busy with our sin?


"And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do." Hebrews 4:13

This is why I love Vox. His boldness attests to his convictions. He wants the light to reveal his actions, unlike most people on the "right."

Blogger Random #57 August 21, 2018 1:11 PM  

@69 Dirtnapninja:

Guns are cheap, and you can train urban warfare cannon fodder in a few weeks.

Says someone who's never trained people how to shoot, especially en masse. The justification for the Civilian Marksmanship Program is to make sure we have enough people capable of training if we have to increase the size of the military very quickly. How many "conservatives" would sign up to help the Left train urban thugs, and how far and how fast would they get with undisciplined and low IQ "cannon fodder"? How far would the fodder get without a lot of tough and capable NCOs?

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 1:11 PM  

@81 Large transformers are manufactured in Germany, not the US.
As to gun owners selling their weapons for 10% of value, no chance of that except for old non-functioning ones....

Blogger eclecticme August 21, 2018 1:15 PM  

@34. James Dixon
When it is widely regarded that the law as applied is a joke it is hard to predict what will happen.
"When the law becomes a ruse lawlessness becomes legitimate." -unknown

Blogger Gen. Kong August 21, 2018 1:16 PM  

Long Live The West wrote:
Would conservatives use their guns to shoot an 'innocent' policeman when he shows up to take their firearms? Would they really make widows and orphans over a silly gun?

I don't think so.

The problem most conservatives have is that they think the people coming to take their guns will be evil russians who come in guns blazing.

They aren't prepared to stand up to the friendly neighborhood cop.


No, they will not. Not even in South Africa where the police are clearly the enemy. Not even in the UK where the police aid and assist pedos to kidnap children. Sweden as well. All examples of police for whom the Latin motto Caedite eos absolutely applies. Don't know if it's brainwashing or some sort of extreme variant of normalcy bias, but there's zero reaction even in the face of the police being nothing more than armed criminals operating under the color of law.

As Jay in DC observed rather trenchantly on the thread about the genocide in South Africa:

That mountain of guns is an inert pile of metal w/o the will to use them which is - severely - lacking for obvious reason. We still have it too good.

If Jay's posted reason for this insane behavior is accurate, enough whites in SA must still have it too good to fight their own extermination. Meanwhile it will be interesting to observe the continuing silence of so-called "Christian" churches as the white Christians are systematically exterminated. My bet is that they will quietly cheer the event and send financial help to the killers.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 1:16 PM  

"Guns are cheap, and you can train urban warfare cannon fodder in a few weeks.'

McNamara's Folly all over again...You can't train stupid people to do anything, as the military has learned. And where's all the ammo coming from?

Blogger Random #57 August 21, 2018 1:16 PM  

@81 Tars Tarkusz:

@67 I don't see gun confiscation ever. They will be outlawed at 95% of gun owners will willingly give their guns up in a buy-back program for 10% of its value. The rest will be attrition.

This isn't going to be politically possible for the nation as a whole for the foreseeable future. And you might as well say "97%", because there's still going to be a "3%" who won't take this lying down and will start using their guns and everything else offensively instead of cowering in the homes waiting to be defeated in detail.

Blogger Sheila4g August 21, 2018 1:16 PM  

@51 Tars Tarkusz: "Heaven forbid that anyone on the right say the word White. Even Trump knows the right will quickly run away if he talks explicitly about white people in anything other than condemnation."

Trump's White House just fired speechwriter Darren Beattie, because the media reported he attended and spoke at the H.L. Mencken Club in 2016 . . . because evil notsee Peter Brimelow (whose website, VDare, is explicitly targeted towards immigration, not race) also spoke at the same venue.

Not only will no one dare say the word White (without appending "supremacist" to it), they run as fast and far as possible to avoid even being tangentially associated with Whites who think it's OK to be White. As for Robert Lopez's concerns re organized churchianity - specifically the Southern Baptists - Faith and Heritage has done excellent reporting on just how fast and far they've cucked to Negro numinacy and sexual deviancy.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz August 21, 2018 1:17 PM  

@86 The point is what? Are they shipped video sailboat? Can Germany not move us up and ship it next-day?

My how you overestimate people. Aussies did it. Why would we not do it? Do conservative not pride themselves as hard working, law abiding and upstanding individuals?
Remember that virtue sniveling fool who cut his gun in half on video after the Florida school shooting?
You are vastly over-estimating these people.

Blogger Matamoros August 21, 2018 1:19 PM  

For all you comic book lovers:

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/08/21/delingpole-trumps-space-force-bigliest-adventure-in-the-history-of-comics/

Blogger Elijah August 21, 2018 1:23 PM  

in the book "the plague journal" by Micheal Obrien he shows how nice people will look the other way while their neighbors are rounded up. in the book, one man tried to fight back and he was accused of being a pedophile by the state , his kids were taken away and he was jailed and killed. this is what will probably happen. anyone that trys to stand up will be isolated and targeted , while his neighbors look on and hope they wont get targeted.

Blogger Patrick Kelly August 21, 2018 1:24 PM  

Roy wrote:@76 300 BLK is fun but it's main purpose is fulfilled only when used with a suppressor; subsonic with a big 245gr boolit. A 7" shorty is great entertainment.


My understanding is at least a 10" barrel is required to cycle a semi-auto with subsonic rounds.

A suppressed AR SBR in 300blk with one of those binary triggers sounds like an awesome currently legal option (at least here in TX) for CQB.

Blogger Random #57 August 21, 2018 1:25 PM  

@92 Tars Tarkusz:

My how you overestimate people. Aussies did it. Why would we not do it?

It may have escaped your notice, but we aren't Aussies. Even in Connecticut and New York, the vast majority of gun owners are just ignoring the insane laws those states recently passed against "assault weapons".

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 1:26 PM  

@88 You are talking about liberal urban and suburban areas where there is no tradition of firearms ownership, and conservative cucks rule. Not more traditional areas in the mountain west, northern plains and south where such traditions exist..
But even those liberal areas will become more alt-right as the American Bolshevik party keeps talking about its plans to genocide the traditional population. You may recall that the ANC hid its intentions under the guise of reconciliation and talk of a multiracial society under Mandela. Our left is not hiding anything....big mistake

Blogger dvdivx August 21, 2018 1:29 PM  

Right now anyone calling for a violent overthrow is usually a Fed and that's been the case for years. They would even find Native Americans on the hook for a crime and turn them into agent provocateurs during the Indian movements in the 70s. The recent actions in Oregon, Ruby Ridge and Waco all point to a desire to shot to kill everyone including women and children. Things would have to get worse in many ways for that to happen and from the looks of it TPTB would rather nuke this place by proxy or turn the US into China before that happens.

Blogger Cloom Glue August 21, 2018 1:29 PM  

I am nowhere near as confident as Kurt Schlichter that the right wing could trounce the left wing in battle. We can't even unite to keep Alex Jones on Facebook.

Non-churchian Christians barnhardt.biz and trunews.com both spoke against Alex Jones a couple of times in the last six months (with references to schizophrenia and demonics), and most recently they did it just before infowars.com was conjointly assaulted by his hosting websites. I suspect this signaled to the left Jones could be taken down now.

Lately, trunews is being anti zionist-Christian and pro-Palestinian, verging on multi-culturalist with yesterday's trunews at minute 55 discussing two-state one-state Israel-Palestine, including expressing some angst with Trump's statement: "Trump says one-state solution could lead to Israeli PM called ‘Mohammed’".

https://www.rt.com/news/436405-trump-abdullah-israel-mohammed/

Similarly, I heard barnhardt bemoan the lack of conversion to Christian civilization of the primitives, such that it is racism if we say they cannot be converted.

Although awake to the coming culture war, they both are stuck on mutual conversion by Christ as though those cultures must act out their sin with us, or mutually with another culture, and not with their own homogeneous culture.

I think many will come around to alt-right but they are not here yet because of their intermarriages, staffing races, and past effort with charity to individuals of other races/cultures. This category error, individuals versus groups, is a very difficult hurdle for people because some cross-cultural conversion of some individuals has occurred.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 21, 2018 1:29 PM  

"Even in Connecticut and New York, the vast majority of gun owners are just ignoring the insane laws those states recently passed against "assault weapons"."

That's nice. The problem with that, however, is that when they are picked off one by one, the other ones won't do jack to stop it. "They were too stupid to conceal their weapons properly, they deserved it." "They shouldn't have gotten in xxxx's bad graces. Asking for it (the illegal search)." etc.

Eventually, no significant number of people will be armed to resist, because the water boiled slowly.

Blogger Gen. Kong August 21, 2018 1:30 PM  

John Calla wrote:
Right now there is no winning strategy on the right (conservative, alt-right, whatever). We just haven't come up with one yet and I don't know what it is. The Left is able to fight without suffering any consequences, which is a huge advantage.

Yes, and the reason the left suffers no consequences for their actions is that they own the institutions. Gramsci's long march is very much a fait accompli by now. No surprise there. The more interesting thing about the left is that they were quite willing to take the consequences while the infiltration process was under way back in the early part of the 20th century. Perhaps the theory offered by several here that folks believing they having something to lose (which might not be the same thing as Taleb's 'skin in the game') has something to do with the unwillingness to fight. People like to pretend they own a house with a 50-year mortgage or a big pickup with a 5-year mortgage, but they really don't own them.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 1:33 PM  

@100 You assume that the State knows who has all these rifles and shotguns, which is far from being the case....I know people whose weapons were all inherited, for example...You also assume that in a very dangerous environment, which does not exist today, Anglo-saxons will not fight, which is not the way to bet.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 21, 2018 1:36 PM  

"You assume that the State knows"

I assume nothing. The state doesn't have to know anything. The people don't have to be stupid. All it takes is one slip-up or mistake at a time, and when mistakes include things such as even looking like you're going to try to push back against the new religion..."

Again, every single cell will fight its own death, but that means nothing if none of the other cells are aware that cells are dying, or are unwilling to do anything to stop it. The water boils slowly.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 1:37 PM  

Nothing serious will happen until there is some kind of economic singularity, because all Americans love living on borrowed money that can never be paid back...The right appears to have learned to stay out of the streets with Antifa under the current system, which is sensible. When and if the economy hits the wall, however, it will be a different story..

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 1:40 PM  

@103 You know that the boiling frog story is a myth, right? Under your reasoning, the battle at Lexington and Concord could never have happened.

Blogger Stilicho August 21, 2018 1:40 PM  

@VD, you've just defined modern American Conservatism: those who hope the Left will eat them last.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 21, 2018 1:41 PM  

NO GOOGLES wrote:One delusion I held for a long time was that if the moment ever came where cops were ordered to go door to door and confiscate weapons that most of them would refuse. ... After all, what would happen to cops that refused an order?

It's goodbye pension, or goodbye guns. That will be an easy choice for most.

widlast washere wrote:You must remember though that leftists are cowards, through and through. As soon as a few of theirs get bloodied the rest will turn and run.

Cuckservatives don't wait to get bloodied - they surrender preemptively.

Damelon Brinn wrote:Conservatives would rather take a stand in a losing cause than fight in a winning one. A principled stand against something like left-wing bias in academia is perfect, because it'll never change on its own, so it's a very stable position to hold. You can even make a career of it.

That's the conservative position in a nutshell, I think. Conservative, Inc. makes an actual career out of it, but for most, there's no money in it. Losing in noble fashion is romantically, emotionally satisfying without demanding any actual discomfort or sacrifice.

James Dixon wrote:Here's the thing. When the systems have been turned against you it does you no good to fight within the system. You have to bypass it. But bypassing the system is illegal in many cases. Catch 22.

If you're a conservative, you surrender. That's what they have always done.

Why was Hitler able to do what he did in Germany? Because Germans are law-abiding. Evil prospers when people are law-abiding rather than good.

August wrote:Because practically anyone with some access to government can show up with superior force, so chances are high folks will end up surrounded and alone.

If you meet the gun grabbers on their front porches, you can win, but that's illegal, and not nice.

Blogger Roy August 21, 2018 1:41 PM  

@95 Remember that the suppressor increases the pressure and an adjustable gas block is your friend.

Blogger Random #57 August 21, 2018 1:42 PM  

@100 Azure Amaranthine:

"Even in Connecticut and New York, the vast majority of gun owners are just ignoring the insane laws those states recently passed against "assault weapons"."

That's nice. The problem with that, however, is that when they are picked off one by one, the other ones won't do jack to stop it. "They were too stupid to conceal their weapons properly, they deserved it." "They shouldn't have gotten in xxxx's bad graces. Asking for it (the illegal search)." etc.

Eventually, no significant number of people will be armed to resist, because the water boiled slowly.


What's the context? A nationwide gun prohibition? In that case, the "3%" will be too busy killing their targets to be grousing about those cowering in their homes hoping to be the last to be picked off.

Repeating, the politics aren't there for such a prohibition in the foreseeable future, we're much more likely to get to something like the dissolution of the US that Vox is predicting before then.

Blogger John Calla August 21, 2018 1:44 PM  

@75 But living in southern AZ, where there are hundreds of thousands of ex-military, retired cops, hunters, ranchers, shooters of every description, I can tell you that many of them are far to the right of Conservatism, Inc.

Arizona is currently being invaded, conquered and occupied by a foreign nation. What are those retired cops and ex-military doing to stop it? Voting for Kelli Ward?

And there are hundreds of thousands of them! Imagine what they could accomplish if they simply got together and resisted.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 21, 2018 1:45 PM  

"You know that the boiling frog story is a myth, right? Under your reasoning, the battle at Lexington and Concord could never have happened."

The analogy is accurate. If no one starts fighting meaningfully and/or makes it look more desirable to do, indeed those battles never would have happened.

The question then is what is a meaningful fight? Waiting until all the enemy pieces are already in position to slowly disarm you over decades or generations is far, far too late to pose any sort of fight based on arms.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 1:45 PM  

@107 "If you meet the gun grabbers on their front porches, you can win, but that's illegal, and not nice."

Sarcasm, I assume...Once genocide enters the picture, as in the Spanish civil war, legal and illegal go straight out the window.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz August 21, 2018 1:47 PM  

@102 What good is a gun that you cannot or will not use? It will get confiscated one way or another.
Conservatives imagine that gun confiscation will happen by mass confiscation. That is fantasy! The gov simply will not do that out of fear that their bluff is actually called. Further, they don't need to do that. The overwhelming majority will do it voluntarily.
Nearly everyone will voluntarily give them up and the rest will be picked off one by one over a period of decades.
If the Democrats get the House, Senate and President, that is all the political will that they need.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 21, 2018 1:51 PM  

"What's the context?"

This, obviously:

"Even in Connecticut and New York, the vast majority of gun owners are just ignoring the insane laws those states recently passed against "assault weapons"."

Are you even paying attention?

"the "3%" will be too busy killing their targets"

For a few minutes or hours. When their neighbors tuck and run to the authorities in terror at this dynamism, how long do you think that 3% is going to last, even if they weren't spread out and uncoordinated? A day? Two? Maybe a few weeks or a month or three in case of wilderness-style preppers with hidden property?

"Repeating, the politics aren't there for such a prohibition in the foreseeable future"

You're absurd. Not only are the politics there, but the process is already in motion in CT and NY.

Whether such will happen in the rest of the country, I can neither say nor do I care, as I was not speaking about the rest of the country.

Blogger James Dixon August 21, 2018 1:51 PM  

> The problem with that, however, is that when they are picked off one by one, the other ones won't do jack to stop it. "They were too stupid to conceal their weapons properly, they deserved it." "They shouldn't have gotten in xxxx's bad graces. Asking for it (the illegal search)." etc.
Eventually, no significant number of people will be armed to resist, because the water boiled slowly.

The problem with that analysis is that the left seems to have lost patience with boiling the water slowly. They're now insisting on using a flamethrower. If the left gets back in power they'll make disarming the populace their top priority, by any and all means necessary.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 1:52 PM  

"Waiting until all the enemy pieces are already in position to slowly disarm you over decades or generations is far, far too late to pose any sort of fight based on arms."

True, but that's not currently happening, quite the opposite outside the communist strongholds like California, NYC, etc. In Germany, Hitler had to get the individual States ban firearm ownership, which took awhile, during which he played nice....But Germans are the most passive obedient group on the planet, as are the mostly Germanic Afrikaners.
But my main point is, America doesn't have several decades or generations left..Would that it did...

Blogger ZW August 21, 2018 1:54 PM  

The conservatives think of themselves as the liberal victors in the Revolutions of 1848, who got the far right to relinquish absolute power, and exiled the socialists.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 1:54 PM  

@115 Right..Our left is nowhere near as clever as Lenin, Hitler, etc, and in fact is quite mad....Which is hugely beneficial to the alt-right.

Blogger James Dixon August 21, 2018 1:54 PM  

> Conservatives imagine that gun confiscation will happen by mass confiscation. That is fantasy!

I wish it was. The current and upcoming leadership of the Democratic party is all for it. They won't let the second amendment stop them.

Blogger tuberman August 21, 2018 1:55 PM  

Right now the God Emperor is showing a Heroic example to Europe, but after Europe is cleaned up by people more to the Right over there, I expect a cleaned up Europe to be a Heroic example to parts of the USA, and with that, many will go beyond Civic Nationalism.

The problem is with women, as most women care less about civilization, with a few exceptions. Women are anti-civilization to a large degree.

It was interesting for me to see how my last girlfriend responded to my response to a Hispanic, who literally picked up his loaf of bread and threw it on the checkout counter in front of my cart. Without hesitation, I picked up his loaf and threw it on an empty counter next one over, looking him in the eyes. Girlfriend freaked ...at me. It was not a matter of what was right, it was that she was at risk.

Guys need to ignore their women and turn on them as traitors at some point to win.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 21, 2018 1:57 PM  

"once genocide enters the picture, as in the Spanish civil war, legal and illegal go straight out the window."

Genocide's already happening, just not by the most outright mechanisms that you are apparently expecting. There are many ways to solve almost any particular problem, with many accordant bonuses and onuses depending on the exact situation. In this case, genocide is coming through at the low-n-slow level, where instead of outright killing us they mostly just find means to inhibit our fertility, assimilate our offspring, and disallow/shame/lawfare/pressure anything that inhibits the slow roll.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 21, 2018 1:58 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:But living in southern AZ, where there are hundreds of thousands of ex-military, retired cops, hunters, ranchers, shooters of every description, I can tell you that many of them are far to the right of Conservatism, Inc.

Are they willing to actually take action? Actually acting is illegal - are they willing to break the law to do what's right? If the answer is no, it doesn't matter how Right they are, they are worthless.

Azure Amaranthine wrote:The people don't have to be stupid. All it takes is one slip-up or mistake at a time, and when mistakes include things such as even looking like you're going to try to push back against the new religion..."

This is how gun confiscation happens: they outlaw the guns, then do nothing. Then, someone has a domestic disturbance call or a fire, and the responders find guns and lock up the owner, one at a time. It doesn't matter how many guns you have buried, they are just a liability, and you can never dig them up.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 21, 2018 1:58 PM  

"Would conservatives use their guns to shoot an 'innocent' policeman when he shows up to take their firearms? Would they really make widows and orphans over a silly gun?

I don't think so.

The problem most conservatives have is that they think the people coming to take their guns will be evil russians who come in guns blazing.

They aren't prepared to stand up to the friendly neighborhood cop."

I'm prepared to start shooting them when they are at the neighbor's house across the street.

If a mere 10 people do likewise, they can completely wipe out the entire police force of a 4-square mile, population 75,000 suburb. There just aren't that many cops.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 21, 2018 1:59 PM  

"The problem with that analysis is that the left seems to have lost patience with boiling the water slowly. They're now insisting on using a flamethrower."

I don't disagree, but what are we doing about it? If the answer is "nothing sufficiently effective", clearly the water still isn't getting how fast enough.

Not trying to blackpill, but we have to call it like it is before we can find and implement solutions.

Blogger Anno Ruse August 21, 2018 1:59 PM  

I've been reading James Burnham's Suicide of the West

Does it involve Men of the West leaving the West for nations with more liberties?

Blogger Dirk Manly August 21, 2018 1:59 PM  

@6

"No one wants to turn a US city into a moonscape on the right, on the left they're all too willing to destroy anything in their path."

It will start at some place which is ALREADY a moonscape. Like Detroit.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz August 21, 2018 2:02 PM  

@119 The fantasy part is mass confiscation. They will not do that. They will allow a 'grace period' of maybe a year to turn in your now illegal weapon and the overwhelming vast majority will complain loudly while turning in their guns.
They have been saying we need our guns in case the government every becomes tyrannical. You have got to be kidding me! Tyranny was reached a long time ago. We live in a police state. The Revolution was fought over far less tyranny than we currently live under.
I used to believe in the fantasy that the gun nuts would never give up their guns. I have now been disabused of that retarded thinking. They will absolutely gladly turn in their guns and they will rat out the ones that don't! They will feel great pride as they do so!

Blogger Zwiebel August 21, 2018 2:03 PM  

Same reason so many won't organise: Can't be bovvered with anything beyond their own personal welfare.

Sad, really.

I mean, where's the conservatives British middle class as working class children are being raped? No where. The narrative was immediately put out that the reason these kids were raped was their "vulnerable background", so all the middle class went: phew, can't be my kids!

They won't act until their houses burn.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 21, 2018 2:03 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:

Sarcasm, I assume...Once genocide enters the picture, as in the Spanish civil war, legal and illegal go straight out the window.


You mean like in South Africa, where genocide is underway and the cucks cuck quietly until the end. Most people would rather die than act, and the current situation in South Africa shows that is literally true.

Blogger Robert What? August 21, 2018 2:05 PM  

The other problem is that by and large the authorities, like the Police, would be firmly on the side of the Progressives. The Police would look away when Conservatives are being attacked but would arrest them for defending themselves.

Blogger Random #57 August 21, 2018 2:05 PM  

@114 Azure Amaranthine

"What's the context?"

This, obviously:

"Even in Connecticut and New York, the vast majority of gun owners are just ignoring the insane laws those states recently passed against "assault weapons"."

Are you even paying attention?


The context was "It may have escaped your notice, but we aren't Aussies.", with that being just one illustration. Although I recall it's estimated that half the covered guns weren't surrendered in that nationwide confiscation.

"the "3%" will be too busy killing their targets"

For a few minutes or hours. When their neighbors tuck and run to the authorities in terror at this dynamism, how long do you think that 3% is going to last, even if they weren't spread out and uncoordinated? A day? Two? Maybe a few weeks or a month or three in case of wilderness-style preppers with hidden property?


You have missed how 1-2 only vaguely competent opponents cause our police to fail hard for a long time, Chris Dorner and Tsarnaev brothers being the big recent examples, they don't respond well to being hunted. It wouldn't take many, the so called "3%", to make that a thing in much of the nation. The neighbors? Things get interesting there if it goes on long enough, counter terrorizing them would be very much on the table. The IRA are frequently taken for a model, but here I'll also say the larger context matters. Are the authorities even able to pay the police a living wage?

"Repeating, the politics aren't there for such a prohibition in the foreseeable future"

You're absurd. Not only are the politics there, but the process is already in motion in CT and NY.

Whether such will happen in the rest of the country, I can neither say nor do I care, as I was not speaking about the rest of the country.


Please pay attention, or better yet don't selectively quote me, I made it very clear in @109 which you are reply to that I was talking about a nationwide ban.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 21, 2018 2:06 PM  

@23

"I get VO's gist that the left has what, advantage? or more passion? Granted. But I think it's possible, like the Japanese, they have the ideology... the passion, but could be defeated by their own tactics. Just pondering."

One sniper, PROPERLY pre-emplaced, using subsonic ammunition, and a bit of muffling around the muzzle of a rifle, could take out a substantial portion of Portland Antifa.

They're easy to single out from any angle, including above.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 21, 2018 2:06 PM  

"They won't act until their houses burn."

Right, and once that happens it's already too late. They've lost any chance at significant sway for at least a decade, if not several generations. Machiavelli actually suggests dispossessing your potential enemies in exactly that sort of way so that they can't be a threat anytime soon.

Blogger Calvin August 21, 2018 2:08 PM  

So, Vox, what do you recommend that I as a young American man should be doing? On practical, day to day level.

Blogger James Dixon August 21, 2018 2:11 PM  

> But my main point is, America doesn't have several decades or generations left..Would that it did...

I've done the math here several times. We may have a few decades left, but no more than that. No matter how I look at it the best case scenario always comes out at about 50 years. That's purely based on the economics and our debt load, not political issues.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 21, 2018 2:16 PM  

@28

"You must remember though that leftists are cowards, through and through. As soon as a few of theirs get bloodied the rest will turn and run."

Which is why they must be trapped, using "hammer and anvil" maneuvers.


The Anvil: A large, (and temporarily covertly) lethal force is emplaced.

The Hammer: then, a small, overtly lethal force is presented in the opposite direction.


The hammer starts the action: Once the small force starts creating dead bodies. The hammer force pursues, in a loud, and aggressive manner.


The anvil finishes the action: the mob then turns, and runs the other way, into the "anvil force" By the time the mob realizes they are facing an even LARGER force, they trapped.

Cities, with their large buildings, many of which cover an entire block, are perfect for this kind of thing.

The Proud Boys could have executed such a maneuver against Portland Antifa already, but they're too cucked to even consider it, let along carry it out.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 21, 2018 2:17 PM  

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Blogger James Dixon August 21, 2018 2:19 PM  

> So, Vox, what do you recommend that I as a young American man should be doing? On practical, day to day level.

It's been covered lots of times.

Become self supporting so you're not dependent on an employer. Get armed. Get in shape. Find a good woman, marry, and have lots of kids. Find good neighbors and become one. Find a good church and become part of it. Support those who support you, don't support those who hate you. Deny the enemy your support and money.

None of this is easy, none of it is popular.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 21, 2018 2:20 PM  

@30

"Whew. Imagine being so concerned with your own comfort and status that you can’t look even 20 years ahead and anticipate problems for your grandchildren."

You're describing the parents of many who read here.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 21, 2018 2:20 PM  

"You have missed how 1-2 only vaguely competent opponents cause our police to fail hard for a long time"

Can cause, potentially. Is it happening? Who's going to do it? You realize they're going to be instantly villified by appallingly large percentages of the people most of us call allies, right?

"Are the authorities even able to pay the police a living wage?"

Let's just call that an eating wage in a few more years, and yes, they'll do it by confiscating from whoever has it, same as always.

"I made it very clear in @109 which you are reply to that I was talking about a nationwide ban."

You literally asked what the context was in 109. I told you exactly what context I was speaking in. If you have a problem with that, it's entirely your own problem. CT and NY are currently the model I'm looking at.

If you want to talk about the rest of the country, and if you think it can't happen elsewhere, look at class III and realize that it already has, only not yet to the same extent. Where were the people to fight that to the hilt? Where will they be tomorrow when, say, 5% more of the various types of weapons are outlawed in their own state? Is 5% worth your life? Most people say no. The correct answer is to go and remove the persons pushing that 5% by whatever necessary means if you actually value your freedoms rather than your momentary safety.

We like to talk about the cucks, but the truth of the matter is that most of us are pretty soft too, we just don't look it by comparison to most of the rest of our pudding-soft, water-thin-blooded neighbors.

If you don't believe it can happen, look at the other restrictions you already have on yourself. Look at the ones coming down the pipe right now.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 2:21 PM  

@132 Yes, the people talking about such a confrontation have no idea what a rifle in the hands of a reasonably good shot can do at such distances...Just a standard high powered hunting rifle firing into a crowd would potentially knock down multiple individuals with one shot.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 2:23 PM  

@140 "Vilified" only matters during peace time...

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey August 21, 2018 2:25 PM  

In 1933 Franklin Delano Roosevelt stole everybody's gold. By executive order, no less, a simple fiat that lacked Constitutional force. He just ordered Americans to come hand it over to the Federal Reserve for a fixed price of around $20 an ounce. For 'regulation' of the currency.

Americans grumbled by largely complied. And then, after having taken possession of all the gold, the government helped itself to a huge windfall by declaring the price of it to be $35 an ounce now. It has to be the greatest criminal caper in the whole of American history, what a rip-off. Again, Americans grumbled but did nothing.


So there's your answer. How are they going to take people's guns? Well one executive order might do. They will order everybody to turn arms over to the government for 'regulation'. And will Americans comply? Yes, mostly. They will grumble and complain and comply.

The ones in the front of the line will be wearing bow-ties.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 2:27 PM  

@131 You're talking about liberal urban areas, which the resistance would probably just let burn...In the countryside, those few community members who inform or side with the Marxists will not be around very long, as shown in the Irish rebellion....O'Connell also had the effective policy of burning two houses of British sympathizers for every one burned by the British.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 21, 2018 2:28 PM  

""Vilified" only matters during peace time..."

Whose peace? Whoever steps out of line first is going to be vilified by many. It'll only be open wartime when/if that stops happening.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 2:29 PM  

@143 " Americans grumbled by largely complied."

False. No private gold at all was turned over, FDR only managed to steal gold in the possession of banks.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey August 21, 2018 2:32 PM  

No, Pyrrhus. FDR's order applied to all "persons" in the United States. It included even foreigners who were present. And there were prosecutions.

Blogger pnq8787 August 21, 2018 2:33 PM  

The thing that is missing for any right wing revolution is leadership. The (((left))) has very intelligently and assiduously cut off all the platforms where right wing leaders could arise independently. They have made a major effort to infiltrate all the avenues of mind control in media and education. The practice full spectrum information war. They control the culture. They practice ostracism of those who advocate for white interests. Without leadership and community, there is no right wing and there is no right wing revolution. They should have never been allowed into the country, but they certainly never should have been allowed to monopolize the levers of culture.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 2:34 PM  

@145 This thing, if it happens, isn't going to be triggered by useless speech. It will be triggered by events. You keep assuming a stable situation, in a rootless metropolitan area.... In an unstable , likely existential, situation, informing on family or neighbors will be very very dangerous...

Blogger Chris Mallory August 21, 2018 2:34 PM  

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

Most of the men I know will be answering those midnight door knocks with loaded weapons. It might be different in other areas of the country.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 2:36 PM  

@147 Wrong again. There was only one prosecution contemplated, but it didn't go forward, and because of the "collectible" exemption (which protected FDR's own collection) people were quite comfortable ignoring the EO.

Blogger Random #57 August 21, 2018 2:37 PM  

@145 Azure Amaranthine:

""Vilified" only matters during peace time..."

Whose peace? Whoever steps out of line first is going to be vilified by many. It'll only be open wartime when/if that stops happening.


What part of the We Don't Care attitude on this blog did you miss? Because being "vilified" by conservatives during such a time of, shall I say, direct action would be so low on the actors' list of concerned it would hardly register. Except, depending on how it all goes, to mark a few of the worst cucks for exemplary punishment.

Blogger Calvin August 21, 2018 2:37 PM  

>It's been covered lots of times.

The problem is that none of that actually does anything to stem or reverse the leftward tide. It's nice, but what happens when the state declares your five children are trannies now and it's abusive to teach them Christianity? Or Jaentavius and friends are set loose in your neighborhood by the Feds? A nice life doesn't harm the left at all however much they hate white people having them.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 2:38 PM  

"Most of the men I know will be answering those midnight door knocks with loaded weapons. It might be different in other areas of the country."

Yes, and to paraphrase one of the founding fathers, those who meekly surrender are not my countrymen, and I don't care what happens to them.

Blogger James Dixon August 21, 2018 2:42 PM  

> The problem is that none of that actually does anything to stem or reverse the leftward tide.

You right in that I left out one important step. Homeschool your kids.

Having lots of kids and homeschooling them does stem the leftward tide, and eventually reverses it.

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 2:42 PM  

@153 The leftward tide is entirely a function of an expanding population of gibsmedat types...When the gibsmedat tide starts going out, which it already is in the pension area, then the ethnic food fight will start in earnest, and even the North Asians will be joining in....

Blogger pyrrhus August 21, 2018 2:43 PM  

@155 Absolutely. Soon homeschooling will be a necessity.

Blogger urthshu August 21, 2018 2:49 PM  

I admire that other's have confidence in conservatives having a fighting chance. I don't. Too many conservatives have contempt for the Left as an enemy for me to believe that those conservatives have actually thought it through carefully.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 21, 2018 2:50 PM  

@37

"These people should be called Laxatives as they're full of shit.
I consider myself a very tolerant easy going live and let live type of guy, but there's a major threat to our children and grandchildren and in that respect I believe it's perfectly acceptable to create oceans of blood to protect our treasure.
I don't think anyone on this blog would disagree with such a position."

... just remember the key phrase --

...Against ALL enemies, both foreign AND DOMESTIC.

As a member of the armed forces, I will never engage in mass disarming of the public.... and likewise, I will not flinch in the slightest from killing SELECT portions of the public (i.e. the leftists who are GLEEFULLY attempting to ruin EVERYTHING.)

Blogger Ominous Cowherd August 21, 2018 2:51 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:No private gold at all was turned over, FDR only managed to steal gold in the possession of banks.

That's not what my grandparents said.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 21, 2018 2:51 PM  

"You keep assuming a stable situation"

Admittedly, yes. Oddly enough, that happens to be the current situation.

"What part of the We Don't Care attitude on this blog did you miss?"

Why do you assume I missed any of it? Obviously we don't care. Tell me when the constituency of VP has control over the country, will you?

"Because being "vilified" by conservatives during such a time of, shall I say, direct action"

It's already that time on the left, but not on the right, apparently. When we actually look like we're winning I'll take your predictions -- which are based on us winning -- into consideration.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 21, 2018 2:52 PM  

You are either very naive, very young, or both.
Right wingers fought against those who protested school desegregation, something that They had to *know* would be harmful to their own children and grandchildren.
I've worked in and around GOP politics for 30 yrs.
Not only would the Conservatives protect those who were restoring services, they'd rush to a mic with calls of the death penalty and GOP legislators would en masse pass legislation saying these people were domestic terrorists and should be shot on sight.
Rewind your brain to the rushed virtue sniveling, (good phrase BTW, commenter above), of the GOP after C'ville.
You had GOP politicians on tv & social media calling it terrorism, Trump's own AG calling it terrorism, and their house negro pet Tim Scott putting legislation on Trumps desk condemning it and the right & he got complete agreement on the legislation and Trump signed it days after.
What else can you name that got rushed thru Congress unanimious support, and signed into law by the president so quickly, as the C'ville Virtue-signaling Act of 2017?
You don't *know* Conservatives at the power level. They have no spine, no values they will stand up for, and there's nothing they won't cave to, if it means they won't be called racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, anti-Semitic, etc.
Besides, Prof James Dixon had zero problem pointing his rifle at James Fields sitting at an intersection, mere moments before he crashed.
If you think these people won't kill you, don't go to a practice field with Steve Scalise without lots of security, would be my advice.
These people caved to gay marriage/gay bathrooms in their premiere Conservative publication & are now advocating that Queer marriage is a RIGHT WING STANCE.
No, what you're fantasizing about does not comport to reality. You'd get a fairer hearing from a Bernie Bro.

Blogger Azimus August 21, 2018 2:52 PM  

Didn't conservatives pretty convincingly lose CW1.0?

Blogger Patrick Kelly August 21, 2018 2:53 PM  

If they are at the door of your home to take your guns, and you are alone there with your guns, you have already lost.

Hope you have more plans than just "answering those midnight door knocks with loaded weapons" because otherwise you will die, your guns will not be in the hands of anyone who would effectively use them, and you're likely to be known as some right wing terrorist gun nut who died alone in a fit of nuttery. The populace will weep more for any of the confiscators you manage to kill, if any.

No-one will be inspired or moved to do by your brave but senseless, meaningless death.

Yeah, I'm sure there are some exceptions: baddass, ubber ninja operators out there, but I doubt they will be caught alone at home with their guns.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 21, 2018 2:55 PM  

"Didn't conservatives pretty convincingly lose CW1.0?"

Hard to say what that means in that context, but the individualists absolutely lost to the unionists.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 21, 2018 2:56 PM  

@46

"I often get the feeling that a large swath of conservatives, libertarians, an-cap, and whoever else is cool with guns are setting themselves up for failure. Because practically anyone with some access to government can show up with superior force, so chances are high folks will end up surrounded and alone. Plus the surveillance situation- if you aren't in charge of the local surveillance you are at an extreme disadvantage. All of this stuff requires a level of cooperation - a level of governance- that we generally don't find comfortable and not even useful, given that we generally don't want to be nosing into other people's business. Unfortunately- if, for instance, the F.B.I. send provocateurs into your county, they will have free reign unless the locals have their stuff together."

And all it takes is for one patriot among the government goons to discharge his firearm at an auspicious moment... yes, the citizen will be killed, but at the same time, in the firing-frenzy reaction, he can take out several government goons.

Those of us IN the government have thought these things through.

Blogger John Calla August 21, 2018 2:57 PM  

@148 <-- I'm with this guy. The Left's primary mode of operation is some kind of organized quasi-anarchy. They operate completely outside the boundaries of law and principle and, combined with capturing so many institutions, that's why they're so effective.

The only way the Right can be effective from here out is with strong leadership. Maybe if we had somebody like Viktor Orban or Matteo Salvini at the helm we'd be going places. Trump seems to be too distracted with collusion to even bother defending his own supporters who are getting beaten to damn near death at these "rallies".

Blogger Dos Voltz August 21, 2018 2:57 PM  

Nearly 60 people (likely conservative, Trump supporters) were machine-gunned to death in Las Vegas by a crazed leftist and the whole incident is already buried down the memory hole. The "conservative" bloc in this country have largely shrugged their shoulders. And yet we keep hearing about one Heather Heyer in Charlottesville. Because in this country only the life of an adult neo-Marxist has any value.

Everyone on the right (conservatives and harder right reactionaries) know that in the current climate, if one were to step forward and meet violence with violence, the bow-tied cucks would be first to narc you out to the nearest antifa-supporting democrat and help them craft a life time prison term for you.

Until and unless the great majority (like 80/20) of the "right" in this country feels deeply in their heart of hearts that Breivik's actions were warranted and justified, the left wins. Christendom gets buried in darkness for 1000 years, the elite Satanists of the world esconce themselves in fortressed cities and wipe out the remainder of humanity, save for the ones they need as slaves and organ donors.

An EMP strike on Silicon Valley couldn't hurt, either.

I agree with the writer. And this is all very grim sounding, yet I feel indeed that a Great Awakening is still on the horizon.

Just need that massive paradigm shift, oh Lord.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 21, 2018 2:58 PM  

Doubt it. I have numerous supposedly "hardcore right wing Conservative" family, friends and acquaintances in AZ.
They are every bit as cucky as the S Baptists here in the Deep South.
They talk a good game, but in the end they'll protect their status and security above all else. Even their kids & grandkids futures.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey August 21, 2018 2:59 PM  

Okay then, Pyrrhus, get busy correcting the Infogalactic page:


https://infogalactic.com/info/Executive_Order_6102

Blogger Patrick Kelly August 21, 2018 2:59 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:pyrrhus wrote:No private gold at all was turned over, FDR only managed to steal gold in the possession of banks.

That's not what my grandparents said.


Same here. Unfortunately they also worshiped FDR as some kind of glorified saint of the downtrodden simple folk, like them. I still loved them and miss them dearly

Blogger Chris Mallory August 21, 2018 3:00 PM  

The county I live in has 122 police employees between the city PD and the sheriff's department. Throw in a few state police and Feds. Call it 150 LEOs.

The county has 70,000 residents. If only 3% decide to fight back that is 2100 people. Who runs out of shooters first?

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 21, 2018 3:00 PM  

Plz stop with the Spergy pseudo-Fed posting.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 21, 2018 3:00 PM  

@51

"If a group of right wingers cut the power to a city, a group of Conservatives would be the first people working their asses off to restore the power!"

No problem -- restoring power by replacing sabotaged infrastructure makes a person a perfect target for anyone with a rifle -- NO SCOPE NEEDED out to about 300-350 yards or so.

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 21, 2018 3:04 PM  

Random #57 wrote:@69 Dirtnapninja:

Guns are cheap, and you can train urban warfare cannon fodder in a few weeks.

Says someone who's never trained people how to shoot, especially en masse. The justification for the Civilian Marksmanship Program is to make sure we have enough people capable of training if we have to increase the size of the military very quickly. How many "conservatives" would sign up to help the Left train urban thugs, and how far and how fast would they get with undisciplined and low IQ "cannon fodder"? How far would the fodder get without a lot of tough and capable NCOs?


You can as good as shot as you like, it wont help you because you'll be operating in small groups while they will be coordinating much larger numbers against you backed up by the full weight of the converged establishment. Your accounts will be frozen and your digital footprint compromised while they will operate with complete impunity.

Besides they wont need to be particularly well trained. All they'll need to do is be able to sieze control of the major points and neighbourhoods in thier cities. They have more than enough to do this now if they wanted. This wont be a war of trained armies at first..it will be skirmishes between gangs and militias, assassinations, spree shootings, bombings, riots and intimidation. The vast organisational apparatus of the left will give them an immense advantage at this. As time goes on the quality of thier cadre will improve as they learn by doing, backed up by vast sums of money and the full support of the converged establishment.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 21, 2018 3:05 PM  

"The county I live in"

Does its 3% have a plan for exactly when is the right time to start fighting back? I'd bet not.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 21, 2018 3:05 PM  

They won't even have to offer payment. The over-whelming majority of right wingers will WILLINGLY bring their firearms to be turned in, all while narc'ing on whomever they know that still has theirs.
You need to take a re-read of 1984. Conservatives are Winston's neighbor's wife & kids.

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 21, 2018 3:05 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:"Guns are cheap, and you can train urban warfare cannon fodder in a few weeks.'

McNamara's Folly all over again...You can't train stupid people to do anything, as the military has learned. And where's all the ammo coming from?


They arent stupid. If they were, we would be winning.

Where's all the ammo going to come from? They control the port cities and major airports.

Blogger A rebel without a General August 21, 2018 3:06 PM  

This is correct as a Confederate shill there is now way looking back that the confederates should have won. I mean pound for pound better infantry (The NRA was started to teach yankees to shoot after the war), a strong base of support,terrible enemy commanders at the beginning, and a enemy that wasn't going to commit genocide, but the confederates lost. Why because of terrible leaders stuck in their own paths, General Lee was never interested in guerrilla war he disdained it and for a rebelling army that is stupid I mean George Washington at first really relied on guerrilla war then switched when it was advantageous. Was Napoleon defeated on Waterloo, no he was defeated years ago after his forces were thrown out in Spain by guerrillas and his army was obliterated in Russia because the Russians weren't willing to meet in the field. I could go further to the 2nd punic war and how Fabian hurt Hannibal so much with his guerrilla warfare. Conservatives and right wingers saying defeating the left is easy are fooling themselves because our leaders most of the time are giant cucks who will destroy us before the first bullet is fired.

Blogger Patrick Kelly August 21, 2018 3:08 PM  

"The county has 70,000 residents. If only 3% decide to fight back that is 2100 people. Who runs out of shooters first?"

Well, depends on if they manage to do more than fight back alone at the doors of their homes with loaded rifles in hand after the JBT start knocking. If that happens the 2100 go first.

I'm not a pessimist, but resisting is not as simple as holding onto your cold AR with your cold dead hands. This is the challenge. How do you plan and effectively meet the challenge ahead of time without being hauled in for criminal conspiracy before actually accomplishing anything.

I don't know. I'm trying to figure this stuff out myself. Not any good answers yet, but I haven't given up.

Blogger Random #57 August 21, 2018 3:13 PM  

@140 Azure Amaranthine:

[Too much ignoring what I previously said to waste my time on.]

If you want to talk about the rest of the country, and if you think it can't happen elsewhere, look at class III and realize that it already has, only not yet to the same extent. Where were the people to fight that to the hilt? Where will they be tomorrow when, say, 5% more of the various types of weapons are outlawed in their own state?


The problem for the gun controllers is that there's no further salami to be sliced, at least none that they've found since the 1960s, when they managed to ban Really cheap handguns in the 1968 Gun Control Act. Their attempt to extend that to all handguns failed outside of a few of the most extreme Blue states, and got catastrophically reversed for them with concealed carry.

They try to ban a lot of things that don't exist, like "plastic guns", but that has the obvious problem of being 0.0%. They shifted to "assault weapons" in the late 1980s, and that blew up in their face, except of course again in those most extreme Blue states, for those are way more than 5% of the guns owned.

We like to talk about the cucks, but the truth of the matter is that most of us are pretty soft too, we just don't look it by comparison to most of the rest of our pudding-soft, water-thin-blooded neighbors.

Don't project your own issues on the rest of the blog's commentariat.

If you don't believe it can happen, look at the other restrictions you already have on yourself. Look at the ones coming down the pipe right now.

Strange thing is, those restrictions have steadily decreased since the national assault weapons ban expired. The only one coming down the pipe is on bump stocks, which are more curiosities than practical weapons, and from what we're hearing are they weren't even used in Las Vegas, and are also way less than 5%.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 21, 2018 3:14 PM  

You are Ruby Ridge, incarnate.
You can't fight a war by yourself. You just end up as a lone nut holed up in the woods with his immediate family, until the Feds pick you, your preggo wife & preteen kid off and exactly ZERO right wingers come to your aide or support your cause, nor will they raise hell & cry over you when you're gone.

Blogger Thanks, J. August 21, 2018 3:17 PM  

"Conservatives": another word for conformist.
The good salt of the Earth, or try to be, the hard working "tools" of society.
Often middle to low brow, many under-educated, thinking they're smarter than they are.
The soldiers, the workers. The followers. Same if you use the word, "traditional", basically.
These non-leftist masses need the Strong Man leadership and a chunk of the elite establishment to move them around the board in a crap hits the fan big fight. Otherwise it's Washington Generals versus Harlem Globetrotters.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 21, 2018 3:17 PM  

Hitler didn't ban all of the guns.
Do you remember how the people of Boston fell in line when the tanks rolled thru after the marathon bombing?
That little test proved EXACTLY what Americans would do if the government showed force.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 21, 2018 3:18 PM  

@60

"One has to remember that in a real all out conflict, the skilled work crews necessary to repair the downed lines, blown up stations, ruptured pipelines, etc. would have to be choppered in and protected from snipers and IEDs, which would be a huge drain on resources..."

You also have to remember that these skilled workers also tend to be very anti-leftist, and when it has become obvious that the sudden outbreak of transformeritis is part of a war on the left, they will find ways to drag out the repair as long as possible

Is the area 100% secured against goblins?
Yes
If I see one goblin, my team is pulling out. Did you evacuate every single building for 1 mile in all directions?
Yes.
My drone here shows goblins a mere 3 blocks away, you lying piece of shit. Do you want our help or not?
Yes
Then you had better get that ENTIRE neighborhood evacuated for 1 mile in all directions, or my boys don't move. They're not going to risk getting shot by the very people whose power we're restoring. Your police had better not let a single on of them through, or we leave and we NEVER come back. Do you understand?

..
.,

24 hours later, goblins are cleared out.

On the jobsite -- some rarely replaced part that isn't in the parts kit is identified -- and promptly destroyed with hammers and/or torches.

Base, this is repair crew. We need to special order a couple whizgerblers....they're completely destroyed, and we can't even begin to do anything until we have replacement parts in hand.
Mayor's office: Are you sure?
Team leader: You want to come over here and look for yourself?
Mayor's office:.. uh..um.... no, you're the experts.
With any luck, the closest source for this part is deep inside another city.....

With even simple foot-dragging, a week could easily pass by before any actual effort is made to do any power restoration.

...

Add in false sightings of goblins as excuses for stopping work, and eventually pulling out (taking critical replacement parts with them).. and the whole thing can be drawn out for another few days. By that time, a good number of goblins are already dead (from dehydration, lack of food, and good old in-fighting ... the GOBLINS just love to form gangs among themselves and then beat each other senseless).

Blogger Random #57 August 21, 2018 3:23 PM  

@184 Zeroh Tollrants:

Do you remember how the people of Boston fell in line when the tanks rolled thru after the marathon bombing?
That little test proved EXACTLY what Americans would do if the government showed force.


They haven't been our countrymen since at least 1972 when they were in the only state to vote for McGovern.

Blogger Robert August 21, 2018 3:23 PM  

The world today is so full of busy, unthinking people. How do you figure out who's going to be useful when things get rough?

How about asking acquaintances what they would do if the government came to take away all guns. The right answer to that question could be extremely valuable. If you kept asking that question, how long would it be before someone with a gun came to take you away? Am I too paranoid or not paranoid enough?

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 21, 2018 3:24 PM  

Random #57 wrote:The problem for the gun controllers is that there's no further salami to be sliced, at least none that they've found since the 1960s, when they managed to ban Really cheap handguns in the 1968 Gun Control Act. Their attempt to extend that to all handguns failed outside of a few of the most extreme Blue states, and got catastrophically reversed for them with concealed carry.

They try to ban a lot of things that don't exist, like "plastic guns", but that has the obvious problem of being 0.0%. They shifted to "assault weapons" in the late 1980s, and that blew up in their face, except of course again in those most extreme Blue states, for those are way more than 5% of the guns owned.


What are you going to do when the big finance companies and silicon valley systematically deplatform gun companies? Sure, you can bear arms, but there will be no guns stores, no one selling ammo and no advocacy because they cant get anyone to process payments, provide insurance or rent to you. Oh and anyone promoting gun advocacy is unpersoned as a Nazi.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 21, 2018 3:26 PM  

They won't even act then. Not in large numbers.
Like I've said, I'm a Southerner from the type of areas ppl imagine as the last stand of implicit whiteness and people who can live off the land & take to the hills to fight it out with the government.
It's a nice fantasy, but it's never gonna happen.
This people are Judeo-Churchian cucked to the max, overall extremely law abiding, and poor folks who depend on the government teat.
If it means no Medicare or food stamps or SSDI check unless you give up your firearms, 99% will be loading up the truck with kids,dogs and rifles to immediately turn them in.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 21, 2018 3:29 PM  

@77

"For those who may not know, there are a small number of large transformers (a hundred or more), that are absolutely vital for electric power in most places. And they can not be replaced quickly. If they were all damaged it would shut down our industrial society for a couple of years."

Johnny, the idea is NOT to take down the entire grid. The idea is to take out the power (and therefore, the refrigeration systems AND water AND sewage systems) for Leftist-held enclaves.

Don't be sperging about information that need not be spread about.

Blogger Matthew August 21, 2018 3:29 PM  

Conservatives are unironic King Canuts, sitting at the edge of the sea on their cuck chairs and ordering the waves to stop.

Blogger Random #57 August 21, 2018 3:30 PM  

@187 Robert:

The world today is so full of busy, unthinking people. How do you figure out who's going to be useful when things get rough?

I don't plan to even try until things get K selected enough. In the meanwhile, simply training people how to shoot should make a big difference.

One other big political marker is how every attempt to curtail people's ability to carry concealed has failed, except perhaps in some of the most extreme Blue states where few if any can. California, probably at least one county reversed after Puerta v San Diego got reversed en banc in the Ninth Circuit and the Supreme Court denied cert. But I'm not aware of this happening in any states where shall issue is the law. And every day as the nation ages more and more people get licensed, or carry concealed in the increasing number of states that don't require a license, making this politically more and more difficult.

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 21, 2018 3:32 PM  

"... that today's conservatives are yesterday's progressives."

Yep. I concluded as much 15, 20, years ago.

G.K. Chesterton is relevant again on this:

“The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. Even when the revolutionist might himself repent of his revolution, the traditionalist is already defending it as part of his tradition. Thus we have two great types -- the advanced person who rushes us into ruin, and the retrospective person who admires the ruins. He admires them especially by moonlight, not to say moonshine. Each new blunder of the progressive or prig becomes instantly a legend of immemorial antiquity for the snob. This is called the balance, or mutual check, in our Constitution.”

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 21, 2018 3:32 PM  

Be for real. That's a description of the overwhelming majority of THOSE who LARP here.
It's easy to SAY you'll shoot a local cop in the face that comes to take your firearms away, but imagining and doing are a whole different ball of wax, and I can tell you as someone who was beaten nearly to death, that I couldn't even shoot the person who was trying to kill me, in the end.
It's a bit harder to do than you think.

Blogger Dirk Manly August 21, 2018 3:33 PM  

@81

"This only during normal times. There is a waiting period because the replacement isn't absolutely necessary right now. Do you really think this couldn't be sped up if there was rioting in a city without grid power?"

Depends. Does the factory where the transformers are manufactured still have power?

Blogger ZhukovG August 21, 2018 3:34 PM  

It's fun talking about revolution, but...

We need to take over the Southern Baptist Convention.

Blogger Duh-ave August 21, 2018 3:34 PM  

The triggering event will not be a government gun grab. It will be a reaction to one or all of the following groups going too far in the wrong town. BLM, La Raza, Islam, or most likely, communist strike forces like Antifa. Resistance to the government will mostly be very quiet non-compliance. No one wants to be the first to go out in a blaze of glory.

Blogger James Dixon August 21, 2018 3:38 PM  

> The over-whelming majority of right wingers will WILLINGLY bring their firearms to be turned in, all while narc'ing on whomever they know that still has theirs.

You do realize that most rural families use those hunting rifles to put food on the table, don't you? They're not going to give them up.

Blogger Random #57 August 21, 2018 3:38 PM  

@194 Zeroh Tollrants:

Be for real. That's a description of the overwhelming majority of THOSE who LARP here.
It's easy to SAY you'll shoot a local cop in the face that comes to take your firearms away, but imagining and doing are a whole different ball of wax, and I can tell you as someone who was beaten nearly to death, that I couldn't even shoot the person who was trying to kill me, in the end.
It's a bit harder to do than you think.


I think this is the point where someone says "Shut up, Gamma", but thanks for telling us where you came from, we can safely ignore everything you've said. If for no other reason than millions of Americans every year use their guns to defend themselves, most of the time without firing a shot, but tens or hundreds of times every day intentionally using lethal force to stop a criminal.

Blogger James Dixon August 21, 2018 3:40 PM  

> Depends. Does the factory where the transformers are manufactured still have power?

Is there even such a factory left in the US?

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