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Tuesday, September 18, 2018

Code of Conduct, working as designed

Mark Kern@Grummz
I tweeted that Linux’s new code of conduct would be abused to witch hunt devs.

Right on cue, 3 or 5 devs tried to use my opposition of the code of conduct to try to accuse me of violating it.

All the while using behavior that was against the code of conduct.

I rest my case.

Mark Kern@Grummz
You can add one @ZDNet reporter to the list of witch hunters. Came after me just today.

Geoff@Geoffiam
I dunno man, I think having codes of conduct to allow mediocre programmers to police good programmers is precisely the way to move the industry into the direction of a giant bureaucracy. What could go wrong with that?

Corey @corey5135
I've been called out for "aggressive behavior" because I stated that I had already evaluated a suggested implementation & decided it was the wrong way to go (different project).  They were putting me in my place for daring to disagree. Last patch they got from me.

Tucker Goodrich@TuckerGoodrich
Yeah, there's a lot Vox Day says that I don't like, but I think his analysis of codes of conduct is spot on.

"...the Code of Conduct is working as designed when it chases off the productive members of the project"

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76 Comments:

Blogger tz September 18, 2018 7:29 PM  

Code of Convergence.

Blogger Lovekraft September 18, 2018 7:32 PM  

Not only are SJWs unable to properly define their standards to any satisfaction, they actively seek out and undermine those who can.

In their quest for justice (or whatever they tell themselves), they actively work to undermine the foundations in which justice and fairness can flourish.

Subconsciously, they pick easy targets because they are mortally terrified of actually confronting the world's real evils.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 18, 2018 7:34 PM  

It is what is it is.

Linus was never born to be the Irreplaceable Man.

Blogger Robert What? September 18, 2018 7:35 PM  

It's seeming like the basic purpose of codes of conduct is to make the mediocre feel superior.

Blogger tz September 18, 2018 7:38 PM  

Linux is not Eunuchs, but is now gelded.

Blogger S1AL September 18, 2018 7:39 PM  

Codes of Conduct are supposed to work like felony penal codes. The same problem occurs with both.

Not sure what the remedy is beyond constant splitting or constantly burning the bureaucrats.

Blogger tz September 18, 2018 7:39 PM  

@2 the ambuigity is a feature, not a bug. With such they can accuse anyone and burn them if they don't admit and repent. Having clear standards might mean they would actually have to define things.

Blogger James Dixon September 18, 2018 7:43 PM  

> Having clear standards might mean they would actually have to define things.

Even clear standards in clear unambiguous English won't be enough. They'll just claim a new meaning for the words. Our speech is now violence while their violence is now speech.

Blogger Pierre Truc September 18, 2018 7:44 PM  

Robert What? wrote:It's seeming like the basic purpose of codes of conduct is to make the mediocre feel superior.

Not seeming. This is the real purpose. Codes of conduct, and the entire SJW rhetoric, are tools to be used by narcissistic losers to put down actual achievers.

Blogger James Dixon September 18, 2018 7:45 PM  

Hmm, one thing that might work is for the code of conduct to allow disputes to be settled by dueling.

Blogger Chippewa September 18, 2018 7:47 PM  

So is Linus even coming back at this point? I find myself half-hoping he doesn't, it would enrage the core Linux users to no end.

Blogger Joseph Maroney September 18, 2018 7:47 PM  

"Not only are SJWs unable to properly define their standards to any satisfaction"

That's by design. It can be applied as inconsistently as they see fit.

Blogger James Dixon September 18, 2018 7:50 PM  

> So is Linus even coming back at this point?

That's a good question. He'll probably try. And he'll probably lose his temper with someone in the first month and tell them off. And then he'll probably call it quits.

Blogger Dire Badger September 18, 2018 7:51 PM  

Curseforge doesn't have a code of Conduct.

That's why There are still lots of amazing Minecraft mods. That's why the FTB community, which DOES have a CoC, manages to survive... Because they are locked, Lampreylike, to a much healthier animal.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey September 18, 2018 7:53 PM  

It seems they based the CoC on the work of Coraline Ada Ehmke. Who set up yet another CoC infiltrator project today.

People will see now what Linus was having to deal with all the time, and poorly things could go but he was there to smack it back. That's not much, but that's the best I can think of to say.

Out with Linus Torvalds, in with Coraline Ada Ehmke. It boggles the mind.

Blogger Pierre Truc September 18, 2018 8:00 PM  

The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey wrote:They based the CoC on the work of Coraline Ada Ehmke

Why do you capitalize this abomination ?

Blogger Lovekraft September 18, 2018 8:02 PM  

On a somewhat positive note, at least we can dismiss the facade/weapon the SJWs have utilized: being about tolerance and inclusion. One doesn't even have to reply to such a statement. The onus would be reversed back onto them to prove that they aren't. Just point to recent congressional testimony by BigSoc and the damning private conversations/videos showing the opposite.

So the left is falling back on either censorship/ignoring problem (observe Canada' Trudeau on the latest Syrian 'refugee' charged with 1st degree murder of a 13-yr old Vancouver girl: Justin, when pressed as to whether he should conclude that there is a problem with this unvetted group, disagreed flatly. Cuck isn't the word for this guy)

or "family values".

Blogger Cecil Henry September 18, 2018 8:16 PM  

Everywhere its the same.

It will soon be against the law to critize the law or change it.

It already is in many states.

The Soviet system IS the perfect system and always was.

Stalin would be proud.


'Inclusion' is how a parasite enters a desirable system and disables its defenses.

'Tolerance' is what gives it the time to destroy the host permanently.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey September 18, 2018 8:19 PM  

Pierre Truc wrote:Why do you capitalize this abomination ?

Habit, I guess. But you are right. I denounce myself!

Blogger lowercaseb September 18, 2018 8:43 PM  

Linus signing off on the code of conduct is like Uther Pendragon shoving Excalibur into the anvil and stone...

"No one shall wield Linux again but me!"

Blogger pyrrhus September 18, 2018 8:59 PM  

The de facto Code of Conduct in education, all levels, works exactly the same way...

Blogger DraveckysHumerus September 18, 2018 9:15 PM  

How apropos transgender 'Coraline' is employed at 'stitch fix.' Snip snip.

Blogger Lazarus September 18, 2018 9:38 PM  

Yeah, there's a lot Vox Day says that I don't like, but....

I am sensing a pattern here....

There's a lot Vox Day sez I (can't allow myself) (won't allow myself) (am not allowed) to like, but....yadda yadda yadda yad.......

Blogger InformationMerchant September 18, 2018 9:46 PM  

It's a silly disclaimer anyway.

Anything along the "I don't agree with everything X says" line is annoying. Any human, including yourself 5 years ago can be X and the statement would be true. The "not liking" variation is quite funny because I could be told that I and everyone that I love will die some day, I won't like it but it'll be true.

I admit, I use way more disclaimers than I'd like to myself. It's just easier to be proactive. If I write two sentences now, I won't have to try to convince someone that he took what I said the wrong way.

Blogger Evan Hartshorn September 18, 2018 9:49 PM  

"I'm not a Nazi like Vox Day, but when confronted with his actual words and not malicious paraphrases, I usually have to concede he's right."

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 18, 2018 10:04 PM  

Even clear standards in clear unambiguous English won't be enough.

Right. These are people who will tell you with a straight face that it's not racist to exclude whites or sexist to exclude men, so any "fair" standards on paper mean nothing in their minds. I've seen conversations like this:

Q: I'm concerned about section #5a in the CoC. It seems like it could be unfairly slanted against certain groups.
A: Piss off, manbaby.

They happily break their own rules while championing them, because they know it's all who/whom and they won't be held to them. The language doesn't matter, what matters is who is in charge.

I remember old communities where the only rule was, "Don't be a jerk." That's all you need when sensible people are running things. Put an SJW in charge, and pretty soon all the men and pretty women have been declared jerks and kicked out.

Blogger Timmy3 September 18, 2018 10:12 PM  

Absolutely a mess.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira September 18, 2018 10:14 PM  

When I was going to tech conferences in Toronto I openly laughed and mocked and refused to sign before enteting. Nobody ever put me in my place because thst is how weak and gamma Toronto is. Still, I stopped going because these "people" are piles of dog crap. Best to just stay away.

Blogger Matthew September 18, 2018 10:26 PM  

Now is the time for all good men to create transgender sock puppet accounts and submit patches to the Linux kernel in C++.

Blogger mgh September 18, 2018 10:28 PM  

Productive and successful people are rule breakers. The net effect of their rule breaking ultimately benefits the organization, but the self appointed rule monitors will attack the successful for their negatives only.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 18, 2018 10:30 PM  

They'll never buy it. Trannies all use Ruby.

Blogger Jack Amok September 18, 2018 10:38 PM  

Our speech is now violence while their violence is now speech.

Your words were very hurtful to me, which is why I had no choice but to swing a bike lock at your head.

Blogger Lance E September 18, 2018 10:55 PM  

"Sure, my patch may be a sloppy, unreadable, error-prone mess of an implementation of an idea that was rejected years ago, but you don't have to be such a big meanie about it! So what if millions of people and corporations are depending on the stability of this feature - I'm a proud lesbian whamen of color!"

Blogger Roddie Piper September 18, 2018 11:23 PM  

I sense a financial opportunity here.

All non-trivial abstractions are leaky (Joel Spolsky), and codes of conduct make them leakier. That puts a premium on knowing what lies beneath, down to registers and opcodes in some cases. The people who possess this deep knowledge are 99% white and Asian males.

So women and minorities get the prestigious titles, tedious busywork, and office politics, while we get $200/hour to come in and solve hard problems fast.

Blogger Taignobias September 18, 2018 11:39 PM  

I am curious whether the Linux community, which prides itself on autonomy and functionality, will rebel at any point against the (frankly toothless) CoC. Its power is quite literally limited to whether the community supports it, tacitly or explicitly, and it can be defanged by steadfastly refusing to accept it.

My gut says they'll do nothing to oppose the enemy that wants them destroyed.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 18, 2018 11:51 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:They'll never buy it. Trannies all use Ruby.
It's funny cause it's true.

Blogger Nate73 September 19, 2018 12:58 AM  

What's the best way to monetize the SJWs in this case?

Blogger LP999-16 September 19, 2018 12:58 AM  

Right now Rekieta Law and EVS-2VS, is at youtube live, east coast 1am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HhdHcI5Irc&pbjreload=10

Blogger LP999-16 September 19, 2018 1:04 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HhdHcI5Irc&pbjreload=10



They just mentioned Vox Day -

Blogger Nihil Dicit September 19, 2018 2:22 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:These are people who will tell you with a straight face that it's not racist to exclude whites or sexist to exclude men

The new low standard for this is referring to the UN definition of "racism" and claiming this appeal to authority is definitive. Already been subjected to it twice today on Twitter.

Also some sadsack is moaning that "the whole industry has denounced #Comicsgate so we should start using some other hashtag". No matter how many times some people get punched in the face, they never learn anything.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 19, 2018 3:41 AM  

It's a list of rules telling you that you have to coddle people's whimsy feelings, even when it results in not getting the job done.

Unsurprisingly it results in no jobs being done, and then just no jobs.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 19, 2018 3:55 AM  

"Not sure what the remedy is beyond constant splitting or constantly burning the bureaucrats."

Strict top-down hierarchical control. If someone doesn't like it, their head not only deserves to, but also must be shattered by the iron rod of absolute authority with a mind toward doing their f***ing job, period.

"I had no choice"

Anyone who says those words unironically should just be taken out into the woods and shot.

"What's the best way to monetize the SJWs in this case?"

It's not really a case by case basis. The answer is always "whipping boy", and if that doesn't fix them fast enough, you can make spam out of pretty much anything you want.

Blogger James Dixon September 19, 2018 5:57 AM  

> I am curious whether the Linux community, which prides itself on autonomy and functionality, will rebel at any point against the (frankly toothless) CoC.

If by rebel you mean simply leave and stop working on the Linux kernel, yes. Otherwise, probably not. These people are worth their weight in gold to the right companies. They have plenty of job options.

Blogger James Dixon September 19, 2018 6:07 AM  

> Linus signing off on the code of conduct is like Uther Pendragon shoving Excalibur into the anvil and stone...

Well, except for the minor fact that the Sword in the Stone wasn't Excalibur. Excalibur came from the Lady of the Lake.

Blogger Miguel September 19, 2018 6:54 AM  

"there's a lot Vox Day says that I don't like"
VD, you KNOW whats comimg after those wprds. I myself have lost count on the number of times I have read it here.

-Lucas

Blogger camcleat September 19, 2018 7:41 AM  

"So women and minorities get the prestigious titles, tedious busywork, and office politics, while we get $200/hour to come in and solve hard problems fast."

We think it should work this way, but there's evidence that it doesn't.

A friend of mine has been fighting this for going on two decades in a converged STEM industry. He owns his own company that does contract work for at least two of the major hitters in that field - names you'd recognize. I've sub-contracted for him enough times to have seen his horror stories first hand.

The pattern he has noticed is:

(1) Diversity hire gets the original project at let's say $65 / hr.
(2) Project is totally FUBAR'd and mid/upper management can't figure out what's wrong or why. Deadlines are looming or past.
(3) Project turned over to my buddy's company "to fix." Only since they've already shot the budget to the original guy, they can only scrape together something like $15 / hr...but they NEED and will he do it, wink, wink, wink.
(4) Being in a rapidly declining segment, he has often taken the work if he was available to do so even at very low rates.
(5) When asked, "Why don't you just hire me to do it at first?" the project managers say something like "The other guy is very good, and we wanted his name on this project."

It's pretty nuts. Having witnessed this play out in this and related industries since for decades but never having concise language to describe it, a huge light went on for me when I read SJWAL; convergence made sense the instant I read the definition.

Granted the industry segment described above is not as low level as kernel development, but rot is rot. The problem is that the people running converged projects just don't see the difference between a competent person that gets the job done and one that can't get the job done no matter what other "qualities" they might have.

Blogger CarpeOro September 19, 2018 7:43 AM  

Posted a link to the Ars Technica article from the thread yesterday at work (a link to here would do no good in NeverTrumpland). A coworker said "Linus is my hero.", then immediately moved on to say how maybe it was for the best... Not surprising we have very little we agree upon outside of work.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 19, 2018 8:12 AM  

@47, Excellent description of how it works. Also, the guy who comes to you to bail them out is usually not the boss who made the original decision to go cheap/diversity. He'll be a lower-level guy who knew better in the first place but was overruled from above, so it's easy to feel sorry for him and try to help him out with his depleted budget. You have to steel yourself and punish them (they'll find the money if it's as important as they say), but that's easier said than done if you need work.

Blogger Gettimothy September 19, 2018 8:56 AM  

Counter these things. Ask a prospect if they are on projects with a code of conduct.

Ask if they like the things.

Ask them if they will sign one as a condition of coming on board.

If they say "yes" then throw away their resume and move on.

Blogger Gettimothy September 19, 2018 8:59 AM  

You want the people who say will never sign one. When you get the guy who wads it up, throws it at you, directs some competent expletives your way and heads for the exit with middle finger extended hire the man on the spot

Blogger Dirk Manly September 19, 2018 9:02 AM  

Oh, this is rich...VERY RICH:

Violent maintainer should be removed from project #393

DelanoJ84 commented Apr 9, 2017 • edited
Coraline Ada is publicly calling for violence against a journalist on Twitter. A website linked on her Twitter profile mentions that she is a core contributor to the Contributor Covenant. Is this what the other maintainers want to be reflected in the project? Will any pacifist developers feel comfortable contributing?
https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/823064825366360065
As this is also a violation of the rules in the Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct, I also request Coraline Ada be officially removed under said guidelines to help keep the project safe, specifically:

Examples of unacceptable behavior by participants include:
Trolling, insulting/derogatory comments, and personal or political attacks

and

Project maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or reject comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other contributions that are not aligned to this Code of Conduct, or to ban temporarily or permanently any contributor for other behaviors that they deem inappropriate, threatening, offensive, or harmful.

In addition, I am officially calling on Coraline Ada to retract and apologize for intimidating behavior and donate to a civil liberties charity of my choice.

https://archive.fo/o86P7#selection-635.0-707.157

Blogger pjw September 19, 2018 9:27 AM  

Saw a solicitation in LibreOffice today for people to get involved (never seen this before).

Looked to see if they have a CoC; they do, and it must be recent because the undated announcement says "TDF is adopting a Code of Conduct in time for the LibreOffice conference in Tirana" (the conference starts 2018-09-25).

The CoC: https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/code-of-conduct/

Makes me wonder if they're expecting to, or already have, driven out some contributors.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 19, 2018 9:35 AM  

#53

"
Makes me wonder if they're expecting to, or already have, driven out some contributors."

Of course they have.

Blogger CarpeOro September 19, 2018 9:36 AM  

@pjw

Living in the States, I had no idea Albania was a destination for conferences. Last I recall is the government collapsing when a ponzi scheme was exposed. Guess they hadn't learned to hide them as well as the USA does.

Blogger tz September 19, 2018 10:03 AM  

@47 sounds like a second technical entry point. So not only change the process and methods to hide or average out the diversity problems, but then hire diverse contractors, and then finally hire competent ones when everything fails. CONvergence to CONtracting.

It's possible something deeper is happening in Linux, especially with the Crappy Coraline Conduct Code. Linus has been harrangued for the last decade, and he may be tired of it, then he may return after things blow up (think Steve Jobs who was fired, then did Next, then was brought back). I don't know this to be true but think it is possible.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 19, 2018 11:16 AM  

"When asked, "Why don't you just hire me to do it at first?" the project managers say something like "The other guy is very good, and we wanted his name on this project.""

The only way to eliminate employers who will hire diversity for higher pay to do nothing is to punish them for it. Refuse to work for any company who's not going to pay you more to fix the problems their hires created than they paid the hires to make them.

It'd be one thing if they were paying you at least the same amount, but when they try to contract you for less -- and you accept it -- you are literally the one funding your own abuse.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 19, 2018 11:19 AM  

Or to make the above more clear, you are allowing yourself to be enslaved by abusive masters. If you don't want to be abused you need to punch back -- by simply standing back and watching them go down in flames.

Blogger James Dixon September 19, 2018 11:20 AM  

> Linus has been harrangued for the last decade, and he may be tired of it, then he may return after things blow up (think Steve Jobs who was fired, then did Next, then was brought back). I don't know this to be true but think it is possible.

Distinctly possible, but we can't count on it. It's also possible all the major contributors will simply quit and recruit Linus to fork the kernel under his leadership.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 19, 2018 11:31 AM  

@47

"
(1) Diversity hire gets the original project at let's say $65 / hr.
(2) Project is totally FUBAR'd and mid/upper management can't figure out what's wrong or why. Deadlines are looming or past.
(3) Project turned over to my buddy's company "to fix." Only since they've already shot the budget to the original guy, they can only scrape together something like $15 / hr...but they NEED and will he do it, wink, wink, wink.
(4) Being in a rapidly declining segment, he has often taken the work if he was available to do so even at very low rates.
(5) When asked, "Why don't you just hire me to do it at first?" the project managers say something like "The other guy is very good, and we wanted his name on this project."

If the guy who FUBAR'ed everything due to incompetence is worth $65/hour, then you, the guy who is coming in to clean up the MESS, and get it done in LESS TIME is worth at least $90/hour.

And you state it in EXACTLY those terms, because they can't fight THAT logic.
If they complain "we can't afford that!" your reply is "you had the money to pay some idiot $65/hour for how many months??"

Blogger camcleat September 19, 2018 11:41 AM  

" If you don't want to be abused you need to punch back -- by simply standing back and watching them go down in flames."

True.

The truly remarkable thing for me to witness was how the managers ultimately didn't care about the quality of their own products.

This is the endpoint of convergence that I think a lot of not-yet-redpilled people still don't get. In the case of this latest Linux kernel fiasco, there will be a certain subset of the core kernel devs that defend the CoC (for a while) believing it to be at least harmless if not fully helpful.

Blogger camcleat September 19, 2018 11:53 AM  

"If the guy who FUBAR'ed everything due to incompetence is worth $65/hour, then you, the guy who is coming in to clean up the MESS, and get it done in LESS TIME is worth at least $90/hour."

You and I would think so, but that was not their SJW reality. They moved the goalpost on various arguments over the years. In the end, the ONLY solution that worked was to step away and let them burn down not only those projects, but also the reputations of the companies involved.

"And you state it in EXACTLY those terms, because they can't fight THAT logic."

Since when does logic work on SJW's? They didn't care. They did "fight" it, in their own way. Inline with the definition of convergence, they cared FAR more about stroking the diversity hire's reputation and ego than the product.

"If they complain "we can't afford that!" your reply is "you had the money to pay some idiot $65/hour for how many months??""

Yes; that argument was made, explicitly, numerous times over the span of years that this was going on and was gradually getting worse.

It did not matter. They simply did not care. It never once stopped them from giving the project's budget to a moron then claiming some Appeal to The Good In You to try to get a bailout from someone that could do the work.

It was not the same moron for each project, so they could claim in hindsight the issue was just that one guy did a poor job. No matter how hard the arguments were made or how far up the Corporate Ladder (to very near board level) that they could save money long term by hiring a competent developer initially, the result was always the same: next project went to a moron, and the dude that bailed them out (for a while) was passed over - even if he bid something close to what they paid the moron anyway!

It really was something to behold.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz September 19, 2018 11:56 AM  

@51
Caroline Ada is a self-described "Notorious Social Justice Warrior" who promotes inclusion blah blah blah.
That name sent alarm bells off for me and then her photo told me I was right.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 19, 2018 12:44 PM  

@62

Yes, and it was working at Google doing social injustice meddling there... quit shortly after being involuntarily committed to a mental health ward for a weekend...

Oh... and who got it involuntarily committed to the mental ward?

OTHER GOOGLE EMPLOYEES!!!

Blogger Dirk Manly September 19, 2018 12:45 PM  

But don't worry, it won't survive the coming civil war, no matter how much it cries and whines.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 19, 2018 12:58 PM  

The thing about these various SJW termites is they never stop. Even when thwarted here or there, they pop up like a bad penny somewhere else.

https://www.sjwlist.com/Coraline_Ada_Ehmke

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 19, 2018 1:21 PM  

I'm disappointed that Corey Dale "Coraline" Ehmke doesn't have his own Encyclopaedia Dramatica page. Maybe someday, if he keeps working at it.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 19, 2018 1:44 PM  

I suppose we could rectify that.

Blogger Sheila4g September 19, 2018 2:34 PM  

@24 InformationMerchant: "I admit, I use way more disclaimers than I'd like to myself. It's just easier to be proactive. If I write two sentences now, I won't have to try to convince someone that he took what I said the wrong way."

This. I have occasionally used just such a disclaimer over at Steve Sailer's site - not because I have a grudge against Vox (he can be as curt or abrasive as he chooses to be on his own blog, and if I happen to disagree I just don't comment - I am a guest after all - and move on) but because so many online (particularly among the heavily boomer/right liberal/civic nationalist core of Sailer's readers) are so damned literal/spergy. Finding something someone says useful and recommending it to others does not imply agreement across the board, adoration of said individual's personality, or slavish devotion in any sense. Which, of course, should go without saying but which today must be said anyhow.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 19, 2018 3:05 PM  

"Caroline Ada"

Isn't that a dude? Yeah that's definitely an ex-male non-female.

Blogger Sagramore September 19, 2018 7:35 PM  

@17 Justin is likely busy with another recurring problem involving a Syrian right about now: Maher Arar, who was an FBI counter-intelligence asset that the RCMP and CSIS really really really doesn't want the Canadian public to know about.

Blogger Ford Prefect September 19, 2018 8:39 PM  

@46: as long as your friend is willing to come in and fix things for $15/hr, that's what they'll have him do. While it's a dysfunctional business model, it works for them. It will change only when your friend, and others like him, decline to work for $15/hr.

Blogger James Dixon September 19, 2018 9:30 PM  

> It will change only when your friend, and others like him, decline to work for $15/hr.

Or when it takes four times as long to fix the problem. Strange how that works.

Blogger szopen September 20, 2018 2:34 PM  

Well, who would think that: some idiot already wants another developer to be removed from Linux Board Technical Advisory Board because of comments he made 7 years ago - comments which in my opinion are quite reasonable (he simply pointed that the statistics about rape being widespread are wrong, because supposedly raped women did not think they were raped, or that if two drunk people are having sex, why it would count as women being raped??)

https://twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/1042769399596437504

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants September 20, 2018 3:40 PM  

No may be about it. That's it's whole purpose.

Blogger HalibetLector September 20, 2018 7:27 PM  

@73

Wherein, I accept being right with grace and humility: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9hiwfn/sage_sharp_claims_top_linux_kernel_developer_theo/e6cj3ld/

Blogger Cloom Glue September 22, 2018 10:39 AM  

https://politics.slashdot.org/story/18/09/01/0125232/open-source-devs-reverse-decision-to-block-ice-contractors-from-using-software

jamiebuild, the queer with the discrimination license was an article a few ago here. Jamie Kyle got kicked off the project and the license change cancelled:


Kyle's modification of Lerna's license was originally assented to by other lead developers on the project, but the decision polarized the open-source community. Some applauded his principled stand against ICE's human rights violations, while others condemned his violation of the spirit of open-source software. Eric Raymond, the founder of the Open Source Initiative and one of the authors of the standard-bearing Open Source Definition, said Kyle's decision violated the fifth clause of the definition, which prohibits discrimination against people or groups. "Lerna has defected from the open-source community and should be shunned by anyone who values the health of that community," Raymond wrote in a blog post on his website.

The core contributor who eventually removed Kyle also apologized for Kyle's licensing change, calling it a "rash decision" (which was also "unenforceable.")

Eric Raymond had called the decision "destructive of one of the deep norms that keeps the open source community functional -- keeping politics separated from our work."

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