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Tuesday, September 11, 2018

Existential threat or ineluctable reality

Peter Grant addresses identity politics in the USA:
I've been watching the growing rift in American society for years.  It's particularly evident in larger cities, but it's also happening in smaller towns and rural areas.  It's a growing intolerance with those who hold different views, a refusal to admit that the "other side" might be right at least sometimes, a dogmatic insistence that it's "our way or the highway" when it comes to politics, law enforcement, immigration, economics, whatever.  There's less and less willingness to compromise.  Many commentators have begun to speak openly of the possibility of a new civil war....

The biggest problem I see is that very few of those on either side of our societal divide have any conception of just how bitter, vitriolic and savage internecine conflict can become.  I have all too much personal experience of it in Africa.  Don't think that things will be better here.  They won't.  It's part of the human condition, and race has nothing to do with it.  It's all about one's "tribe" - and that can be cultural, or social, or whatever, but it's the primary group to which (or to whom) one owes allegiance.  It's those for whom one is willing to kill, and those for whom one is willing to die.

The modern name for tribalism is "identity politics".  Beware anyone trying to make you think, and act, and live in terms of "identity politics".  They're trying to get you to be tribal, rather than national, in your outlook.  They're trying to divide and rule.  Division is their strength.  By exploiting divisions between groups, they come to power - and then they rule until someone else does a better job of identity politics, and takes over from them.

Tribe can drive good things - unity, working together, a sense of community.  But there are also negatives.  Tribe drives hatred.  Tribe drives war.  Tribe drives atrocity.  It's been that way since the dawn of the human race, and it's unlikely to change.
Peter and I have talked about this, and here is where we tend to disagree, to the extent that we do.  The core problem, as I see it, is that when Peter says to beware of those "trying to get you to be tribal, rather than national, in your outlook", he contradicts his statement that one's tribe is "the primary group to which (or to whom) one owes allegiance."

By his own definition, and by the very etymology of the word, the nation is the tribe. The problem is not sub-national identity politics, but rather, the conflict that is structurally intrinsic to multinational political entities that masquerade as "nations". The USA functioned very well when it was a loose confederation of different nations rather confusingly called "Sovereign States", it no longer functions at all well as a pseudo-democratic centralized imperial financial satrapy ruling over a multitude of nations wearing the skinsuit of the former political entity.

What was the American Revolution if not the division of one English tribe into two? To claim that America is a superset that includes the Anglo-American nation rather than a subset of the English nation simply doesn't withstand historical scrutiny.

All "identity politics" means is "inter-tribal competition for power". The African-Americans are not going to stop putting their own self-perceived interests first. The Jews certainly are not. The Hispanics are not; neither are the newly self-discovered trans-Asian alliance. All of these identity groups and more are consciously working together in opposition to white American and heritage Anglo-American interests, so white Americans can either embrace identity politics and pursue their own interests or they can reject identity politics, and in doing so, submit to the various groups willing to do so.

Those are the only two options. The option to not play the identity politics game was made when the 1965 Naturalization Act passed Congress and was signed into law by the President. Identity politics are an existential threat to the USA, but they are also an unavoidable reality.

Peter rightly warns of the perils of a post-Apartheid multinational society, but in my opinion, that form of breakdown is to be vastly preferred to the perils of a post-Tito multinational society. As a general rule, the more interwoven and integrated the various nations are, the uglier the inevitable transition to homogeneous nation-states will necessarily be.

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73 Comments:

Blogger McChuck September 11, 2018 7:10 AM  

The real secret behind the "great powers" was in their turning collections of tribes and clans into coherent nations. The idea that "my people" was a greater circle than your blood relatives was powerful, when all tribes shared much in common.

Dissimilar tribes cannot become a nation. At best, they are a confederation. More usually, they become an empire, with one tribe ruling over all others.

Blogger JD Curtis September 11, 2018 7:19 AM  

The biggest problem I see is that very few of those on either side of our societal divide have any conception of just how bitter, vitriolic and savage internecine conflict can become

I don't think there's any question that in terms of action that the Left is overwhelmingly more violent, vitriolic, ascerbic and driven towards violence/doxxing/demonization than those on the Right. This is most certainly quantifiable in overall numbers of acts committed.
I struggle to think of a Bob Creamer of the Right for example and if there is one, their actions would appear to be reactionary and post date those on the Left.

Blogger Nate September 11, 2018 7:21 AM  

We've never been one nation. We never will be one nation But we were briefly two nations that managed to get along. Now we are many nations fighting over the same pie.

Blogger Skyler the Weird September 11, 2018 7:27 AM  

We are become Austria-Hungary with Clintons and Bushes instead of Hapsburgs.

Blogger Rabbi B September 11, 2018 7:32 AM  

We've never been one nation.

"I pledge allegiance to the ...." Oh, wait ...

Blogger Phillip George September 11, 2018 7:33 AM  

in the mean time thinkers are working on the pragmatics of the lowest common denominator mono cultural multi ethnic functioning empire. You could coin the term, "micro globalism".

ode to Seth Rich, Aurelie Chatelaine, Theo Van Gogh.

Blogger Sherwood family September 11, 2018 7:36 AM  

Americans have to wake up from the long delusion that we are not also subject to the realities of human nature and the same historical forces that affect and afflict all mankind.

Acknowledging the reality of tribes and tribalism is the first part in breaking the spell of our peculiar Enlightenment-era universalist worldview.

The next part is to realize that not all tribes are the same. They have different histories, different capacities, different motivations, different modes of living and different preferred end states.

The next part is to recognize that some tribes see your tribe as an obstacle to attaining their desired end state and are hostile. They can be overtly hostile or covertly hostile. But despite any past alliances between various tribes they are not you and you are not them and what is good for them and theirs does not mean it will be good for you and yours.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 11, 2018 7:56 AM  

I'll take a WAG, Peter is another dreamy Anglo-Saxon tipsy from the unrivaled success of his people, I know I have a bit of that mindset myself. My less dreamy side is Scots-Irish shack burner and cattle thief.

Blogger Phillip George September 11, 2018 7:58 AM  

1. hang perjurers and burn witches.

got to start somewhere.

5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6 “You shall not murder.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
8 “You shall not steal.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

God had limited success with this the last time. Perhaps make a few adjustments and get people to sign it. Call them adults. Make the Jordanesque responsible for anything like a breach.
Or reinvent the genetics that is already lost?
tough choices.

note the above. given you what land has G_d given you VD. I mean your tribe?

Blogger Sherwood family September 11, 2018 8:06 AM  

You gotta go back to the first commandment God gave to Adam and Eve: multiply and replenish the earth. If your tribe won't then your screwed already. Which way white man?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 11, 2018 8:11 AM  

Sherwood family wrote:You gotta go back to the first commandment God gave to Adam and Eve: multiply and replenish the earth. If your tribe won't then your screwed already. Which way white man?

God told Noah to spread out and fill the earth. It was the first Great Commission, and we're nowhere near done. If you love God, make babies. Encourage your children to pop out grandbabies.

Blogger melvin polatnick September 11, 2018 8:15 AM  

There is a niche for all in a multi-racial nation. Most citizens have a job. The unfortunate sleep under bridges. But all are fed and stay alive despite a scarcity of dignity.

Blogger McChuck September 11, 2018 8:21 AM  

@12 Melvin - "multi-racial nation" is a logical contradiction.

Blogger CarpeOro September 11, 2018 8:23 AM  

I was recently watching what has to have been one of the worst documentary series that I have seen from the BBC on Netflix. The subject was "Hitler's Bodyguards". Quality aside there was an interesting point that I noticed in the series which brings up a point that Peter didn't mention in that paragraph. I noticed that a number of Hitler's bodyguards lost their jobs because of their political views. Let that sink in for a moment. Sound anything like today?

You can talk all you like about not allowing others to turn your head, but when one side (the Left) has been consistently moving forward to remove any topic or any venue from the realm of civil discourse, there can be no civil discourse. When your lively hood, physical well being (Antifa professor who used a bike lock basically got away with it in court), and family are at risk you can no longer turn the other cheek. Since the Left always goes with mobs you are forced to travel with your own allies. There will be civil unrest in the future no mater what our inclinations (I haven't had a physical confrontation in over 30 years), you will either pick a side or get steam rolled by one or more sides (nothing says that it will be binary in nature).

Blogger Sherwood family September 11, 2018 8:23 AM  

It's honestly not that hard to have children at above replacement rate. If you have a reasonable job at all you can do it and make sure that your wife stays home with them. If things are too expensive in your area then you need to think seriously about moving someplace where the costs of family formation and the bearing and rearing of children are not prohibitive.

All the whining I hear about cost is basically an excuse. My father raised 9 children on a high school diploma and a lot of hard work. It is not easy but it can be done. However, you have to immediately throw away a lot of garbage notions that society tries to feed you about it. But why would you want to listen to those things anyway? When have they ever been right?

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 11, 2018 8:25 AM  

Peter and his ilk are endlessly exasperating. He's clearly a smart guy, but he just won't make all the necessary connections and follow things through to their logical conclusion on this. He does it on other topics, so he's clearly able to.

So, what is the identity complication in his life? That's the most likely reason he has this block.

Or it's just a stubborn idealism that continues to think that we can just override the fundamental human nature that he himself recognizes.

In any case, he's not helping things by aiding and abetting his many admirers and followers in their refusal to acknowledge this basic truth.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 11, 2018 8:29 AM  

I'll also bet that Peter is married to a "nice" Anglo-Saxon gal whose highest virtue is to be considered nice by others.

That all works well and dandy till one day you have to tell that "Nice" Anglo-Saxon gal that she has to do with less and then the wheels come off that nice little gal. All that to say is that those gals will be leading the calls for machine guns and bulldozers once the lattes and SUVs are taken away.

Blogger Sherwood family September 11, 2018 8:29 AM  

I do not know in Peter's specific case. However, for the average American it comes from being conditioned to believe in a) the myth of the melting pot, b) the evils of nationalism/tribalism/racism and c) being fed a poisonous litany about the evils perpetrated by Americans against native Americans, slaves, Mexicans, etc. It's all true but it is not the whole truth and certainly wrenches lots of things out of context to the detriment of average Americans.

Blogger Northwest Watching Thing September 11, 2018 8:38 AM  

Our empire* doesn't look like what we think empires look like, and we've been told it's an indivisible nation since childhood, and it's taboo to even begin to discuss it. Most people won't get there until it's too late. Many people still won't get it long after the modern civil war is over.

* or pseudo-democratic centralized imperial financial satrapy ruling over a multitude of nations 

Blogger Lurker September 11, 2018 8:42 AM  

"A pseudo-democratic centralized imperial financial satrapy ruling over a multitude of nations wearing the skinsuit of the former political entity."

Sounds close to the EU.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 11, 2018 8:47 AM  

Peter Grant is not an American. He is a South African. After his time in the Bush War, by his own admission he worked against Apartheid.

Blogger VD September 11, 2018 8:51 AM  

You're banned, Phillip George. Do not attempt to comment here anymore. All the comments you post here in the future will be deleted.

The rules are clear: everyone who attempts to make me the subject of the discussion will be immediately banned.

Blogger Blaidd September 11, 2018 8:54 AM  

So many people still can't comprehend that predicting a coming civil war is not the same as calling for one.

As for how bitter and savage it will be, the rest of America may have forgotten or never knew how bad the last one was but here in Dixie, we remember. The brutality of Sherman's march is still written on our monuments and the graft of reconstruction politicians and carpetbaggers can be found in our statutes and recalled in our stories. They will hopefully provide a stark reminder that it may be better to die fighting than live as occupied subjects.

Blogger pyrrhus September 11, 2018 8:54 AM  

At bottom, Peter Grant is just another outward looking NW European who can't understand that the rest of humanity doesn't have those Manorial Feudalist genes...Consequently, he can't accept that the rest of the tribes and clans out there regard him as the Other, an enemy to be exploited, driven out, and killed if necessary--which is exactly what's happening in South Africa.

Blogger VD September 11, 2018 8:57 AM  

So, what is the identity complication in his life? That's the most likely reason he has this block.

Peter is unusual in this regard. He doesn't have any of the usual identity complications, as far as I know; he doesn't subscribe to the "Born American in South Africa" school. He can answer for himself, if he likes, but my read is that he lived through too many horrors to have much stomach for doing so again.

I think his article is more a genuine expression of wishful thinking than a serious position. He has very good reason to fear what is coming, because he has a better understanding of it than we do.

Blogger Sherwood family September 11, 2018 9:07 AM  

Count me in the category that is scared to death of what is coming and what it means for my family. But being afraid of it does not mean I think we can avoid it. I had a very long conversation very recently on just this topic with a relative and no method that either of us could devise to de-escalate the tensions appeared to have any remote chance of being adopted. Too much energy has been stored in the pendulum to prevent it from swinging back hard.

Blogger I’ve Seen Things You People Wouldn’t Believe September 11, 2018 9:10 AM  

Blaidd wrote:So many people still can't comprehend that predicting a coming civil war is not the same as calling for one.

As for how bitter and savage it will be, the rest of America may have forgotten or never knew how bad the last one was but here in Dixie, we remember. The brutality of Sherman's march is still written on our monuments and the graft of reconstruction politicians and carpetbaggers can be found in our statutes and recalled in our stories. They will hopefully provide a stark reminder that it may be better to die fighting than live as occupied subjects.


It has reached the point that my wife, who until 10 years ago was apolitical, went total #MAGA and now fully expects ethnic conflict within a generation. She is already scoping out places for us to move when the kids get out of school. Remote mountain lakes seem to be popular with her. Clean water, low crime, and (relatively) homogeneous populations.

Blogger Homesteader September 11, 2018 9:14 AM  

Peter's schtick is playing the Wise African Veteran lecturing his naive American students.

However-"The biggest problem I see is that very few of those on either side of our societal divide have any conception of just how bitter, vitriolic and savage internecine conflict can become."

Newsflash, Peter- we know VERY WELL how savage it can become. I give you Knoxville and Wichita as examples; Colin Flaherty is the expert on the subject. The issue is, OUR tribe fighting back gets us jail time or death; that time seems to be waning. THAT'S why all the talk of "intolerance" is waning.

"it's the primary group to which (or to whom) one owes allegiance. It's those for whom one is willing to kill, and those for whom one is willing to die."

I call that Family, and Friends. If they are threatened, I will destroy any aggressors threatening them without hesitation. There are many like me. Those seeking displace us are frightened by this, and so we get these tedious ad nauseum lectures from "concerned" moderates. (Wait- what did Vox say about moderates?)

"Tribe can drive good things - unity, working together, a sense of community. But there are also negatives. Tribe drives hatred. Tribe drives war. Tribe drives atrocity. It's been that way since the dawn of the human race, and it's unlikely to change."

Peter- Hatred, War, and Atrocity, are the sad results of one group trying to displace another. When the offended group realize that they have been lied to, cheated, subverted, been victimized again and again, pushed off their cities and farms, mocked and vilified in institutions THEY founded, and all the while been told it was somehow THEIR fault....

then hatred, war, and atrocity become inevitable.

Since Peter is not American, but a native of South Africa, where the whites failed to fight for survival, I will share with him a quote from one of America's great statesmen, Patrick Henry, who had something to say on this subject:

...."Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable -- and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace -- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!

I know not what course others may take but as for me: give me liberty or give me death!"

exerpt, Patrick Henry, The War Inevitable

Peter, for now, you enjoy the peace you fled South Africa to find. The same forces that destroyed your nation, are now attempting to culminate almost a century of subversion, by destroying what's left of this one.

Tell me, Peter- your former nation invented concentration camps. FEMA has built them here, I'm told. Meanwhile, as in your former nation, other ethnicities, supported by my purse, openly agitate for the destruction of my children. Tell me, Peter- what advice would the genocided farmers of South Africa offer me, on this issue?

Tell me, Peter- will you return to South Africa,and offer to fight, or tell your former compatriots, what you tell us? Will you cry Peace, Peace, to the Boer, in his time of dying?

What do you think he would tell you, Peter?

The same thing I would.





Blogger Homesteader September 11, 2018 9:14 AM  

waning-waxing

Blogger Elizabeth September 11, 2018 9:15 AM  

I discussed the possibility of a second Civil War with a friend and she asked, "Does that mean that I must worry about my neighbor shooting me?" I replied, "Yes."

Blogger Nihil Dicit September 11, 2018 9:17 AM  

Of course a new civil war is unavoidable: most people refuse to even countenance the idea, and the rest are either wholly convinced their "side" will win easily, or wholly convinced they have a safe bolthole to run to when things kick off.

Blogger tz September 11, 2018 9:30 AM  

The problem is the other identities have for a while embraced "white", and you can add "Christian" and "Traditional - Patriarchial" as competing if not enemy identities.

It is the mostly white antifa who shows why we can't just get along. Whites accepted and hoped Obama would fix things (and Romneycare would just be more swamp). He didn't and showed us how our country was being destroyed. Note the left says #NotMYPresident.

There is the other irony that the CivNats spend more time virtue signaling against the Alt-Right who you can actually have a discussion and peacefully disagree with instead of the left that will answer your reason and evidence by smashing your head in with a bike lock or flashlight or spraying something caustic in your face.

The Graeco Roman Law and Philosophy combined with Christianity only worked in Europe, and even then was diverse - Greeks aren't Danes. That's white, but that is a fact. Some non-whites can adopt it but that is the exception like the 7 foot tall Chinese basketball player.

Even so, there is a hierarchy. Vox's definition of the alt-right at the top, those who use reason and evidence, and even proper rhetoric next, but anyone who uses threats, deplatforming, intimidation, or actual violence to coerce instead of convince will be met with the same.

Toleration only occurs inside the alt-right identity. The other identies don't see it as a virtue and exploit it as a weakness.

We won over the violent, closed, insular communists that infiltrated the US, and - with God's help - will win over the post-modern violent leftists. We are winning. But it means breaking up where the alt-right identity can exist separately and apart from the left. The left refuses to Coexist (I don't do emojis but would echo the bumper sticker).

Blogger English Tom September 11, 2018 9:37 AM  

@Phillip George

...perhaps make a few adjustments and get people to sign it.

All well and Good, until a shyster lawyer finds a loophole!

Blogger Cecil Henry September 11, 2018 9:39 AM  

In related news:

There Was Meddling In The Swedish Election

http://dlvr.it/QjpBbG

Quelle surprise.

Blogger tz September 11, 2018 9:40 AM  

One point in the article Vox cites struck me.
You have to dehumanize the enemy to do violence.
That was and is a problem in Iraq and Afghanistan. You can shoot child raping towelheads. It's schizophrenic to ask soldiers to consider the humanity of the person setting the IED.

One of the problems of Jews in Nazi Germany is they were a successful overclass but could still be dehumanized - as in having no soul, or some equal defect which made them superior robots but less than human.

Since Nazi became the catch-all for evil done by europeans, that term is being applied to any white who resists the globalism and socialism.

You are a Nazi, therefore less than human, therefore I don't have to think about what you are saying, I can just kill you knowing I'm doing a supremely righteous act and fixing the world by doing so.

And denying (or apologizing - see SJWAL) doesn't work.

Blogger English Tom September 11, 2018 9:46 AM  

@Lurker

Sounds close to the EU.

Sounds EXACTLY like the EU.

Blogger VD September 11, 2018 10:36 AM  

The Wichita massacre is not the subject. Drop it.

Blogger #6277Hammer September 11, 2018 10:49 AM  

VD - " He can answer for himself, if he likes, but my read is that he lived through too many horrors to have much stomach for doing so again."

That's possible. How many people are under the impression that with the coming civil war they are going to leave their wives and kids safely at home and go off to the battlefront to face the enemy? That's not going to happen. There won't be safety for your family.

Another possibility is that he is simply virtue signalling. "I'm not a racist"

Blogger Rex Little September 11, 2018 10:56 AM  

@Nate

We've never been one nation. . . we were briefly two nations that managed to get along.

Or maybe three, after the West opened up. We perhaps were one nation, or pretty close, in the third quarter of the twentieth century, when everyone watched the same TV shows, people increasingly settled far from where they were born and raised, and post-1965 immigrants hadn't yet created large ethnic enclaves.

As a general rule, the more interwoven and integrated the various nations are, the uglier the inevitable transition to homogeneous nation-states will necessarily be.

Yeah. And here in the US, the nations are about as geographically interwoven as it's possible to get.

Blogger doctrev September 11, 2018 10:58 AM  

Wishful thinking is reasonable, but we've tried Peter's way. At the time, "global unity against racism" brought Mandela to power, and appeared incredibly successful. But appear is the operative word: Mandela's peace did not outlive him. Donald Trump has done more for South African whites than any heir to Mandela, and they know it. The uncertainty over Trump backing the farmers is why land theft is on the backburner- and one more reason leftists hate the President like bitter gall.

Niceness failed, Peter, and no one is listening to "gosh, let's just coexist with the cannibals."

Blogger ZhukovG September 11, 2018 11:51 AM  

The first step in you and your loved ones survival is to stop and identify to which nation you truly belong. You must be honest with this or risk catastrophe.

There is no 'White Nation', but there are Nations whose uniform is white.

Once you have identified your 'Nation', whatever the color of its uniform, you need to identify its likely homeland or at least its strongholds.

After you have identified your geographical homeland, you need to move yourself, and any loved ones you can to that place.

While there are no guarantees in the coming horror; this will at least provide a foundation for your preparations.

Blogger Gen. Kong September 11, 2018 11:59 AM  

The civic nationalists, including Trump, Q and their ardent followers over in the hopium dens, love to cite slogans such as "patriots have no color", "we all bleed red", Jefferson's rhetorical flourish about all men being "created equal" (ignoring of the body of founding documents), and top it off with a quote from the dead communist MLK just to underline the ultimate incoherence of their argument. The die was already cast in 1965 and the identity genie is not going to be put back in the bottle regardless of how much ganjaweed is smoked in hope.

At the time, "global unity against racism" brought Mandela to power, and appeared incredibly successful. But appear is the operative word: Mandela's peace did not outlive him.

Mandela's peace never existed to begin with. The murder rate was lowest during the strictest days of apartheid and almost immediately accelerated when its end was in sight. While it's true the murder campaign against the Boer started immediately, the greatest number of killings were between the black tribes. Yet another lie from (((fake news))).

Civic nationalism is merely globalism lite, or as the late Larry Auster phrased it "Right-Liberalism". They want to conserve several unprincipled exceptions to their essentially utopian liberal ideal. Nationalism is therefore dismissed as tribalism, but non-whites who practice only identity politics are only mildly criticized for it (the left openly celebrates them), while the various white nations who mention it - even as a needed survival strategy in the new reality - are denounced harshly for it as "Nazis". Here the CN's differ with the "anti-racist" left only in their tone, not in their overall position, primarily holding up muh constitution (now a completely dead letter) as their ultimate redoubt. Even if they're serious, it's an not a defendable position at the end of the day.

Blogger Gen. Kong September 11, 2018 12:14 PM  

Blaidd wrote:
So many people still can't comprehend that predicting a coming civil war is not the same as calling for one.

As for how bitter and savage it will be, the rest of America may have forgotten or never knew how bad the last one was but here in Dixie, we remember. The brutality of Sherman's march is still written on our monuments and the graft of reconstruction politicians and carpetbaggers can be found in our statutes and recalled in our stories. They will hopefully provide a stark reminder that it may be better to die fighting than live as occupied subjects.


Brutal as Sherman's 'March to the Sea' was, I expect the next civil war here will make it look like a little-girl's spat at a doll party. The chaos, burning, unleashed criminality and slaughter of 'bleeding Kansas' and the civil war in Missouri will be closer to the mark, except there will be several sides on the field of battle instead of the basic two back then. Probably something like the Balkans with outbursts of Rwanda thrown in. No sane person wants it, but appeals to civic nationalism, assimilation and the corpse of dead constitutions are far too little and too late to have any hope of preventing it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 11, 2018 12:18 PM  

Chris Mallory wrote:Peter Grant is not an American. He is a South African. After his time in the Bush War, by his own admission he worked against Apartheid.

He worked to destroy his nation. Now he has come here to destroy ours.

This is why I keep saying that we can never allow South Africans into our country. They have shit their bed, and now they must lie in it.

Peter Grant has to go. He doesn't have to go home, but we have no place for him.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora September 11, 2018 12:27 PM  

Tribes drive hatred? Proximity drives hatred.

Blogger Lurker September 11, 2018 12:33 PM  

"This is why I keep saying that we can never allow South Africans into our country."

Elon Musk.

Blogger Vox's Video Editor September 11, 2018 12:37 PM  

America was multinational from the very beginning, so the problem has been baked in since then: Southeastern East Anglian Puritans, Southwest Anglican Cavaliers, eye-gouging Scots-Irish borderers, Northern Quaker pacifists, a smattering of Dutch, a few Germans, and of course, the Africans. Granted, the settlers were mostly English, but they were from different tribes. The only thing that kept it together was the big, beautiful frontier. The Revolution helped too.

Considering that we can only have like 120 people in our social circle in any meaningful way, the highest organic order level of loyalty is probably macro-bands or dialect tribes.

Blogger VD September 11, 2018 12:40 PM  

The only thing that kept it together was the big, beautiful frontier. The Revolution helped too.

Especially the bit about the Sovereign States. A loose federation of nations can cooperate and survive. But someone always gets the idiotic idea to UNIFY them. And sooner or later, you're back at empire-by-force.

Blogger J Van Stry September 11, 2018 12:49 PM  

It's one thing to see the coming storm, but what are you going to DO about it? Everyone loves to sit around and complain, but few ever take steps to prepare for that which is obviously coming.

How many of you are prepared for the coming unrest and probable civil war? If you're not getting ready for it now, you're just going to die, and probably not of old age in bed.

Everything I've been doing for the last two years has been focused on putting me in a place and position to give me the best chance of surviving, and surviving well, should the worst come to pass. Yeah, I'm old and tired now, I should be getting ready to retire and just planning on spending the rest of my days relaxing. But I know I'm not going to get that option. So I've made the arrangements and spent the money and if the worst comes, I'm prepared.

Are you?

Yeah, I did my part to try and stop all of this from coming to pass. I got sold down the river, because my 'countrymen' were too busy being 'polite' to ever do something as rude as fight for their survival. Well, that was the political fight, the physical fight is always the next step. Just like we're seeing in places like South Africa, Venezuela, and even Germany and France.

So, instead of coming here and whining, get off your butts and start preparing for round two. Stop expecting others to fight the fight and win the war for you. That's how we got here.

Blogger justaguy September 11, 2018 12:52 PM  

Antifa mobs are not a civil war-- they are more akin to the mob riots of the past. Atifa plus Google and Social media are not civil war, they are modern ways of blocking the message of others for political power. IMHO we are in a political fight where the old rules are only used by those rich kid idiots like Bush 43 who would not respond to attacks ("beneath the dignity of the President"?!@%) and the other side runs over them and destroys them by doing whatever is necessary. Some small amount of force is used, but this is nothing like 1863 where each side used its best weapons to destroy the other side.

Will we get to a Serbia like situation (really not a civil war- but a forceful expulsion and separation)? Will we get to a real civil war where large majorities of each side are trying to kill the other side? VD says yes and give a good set of reasoning, I think not but give only intuition and thoughts-- this is his blog so I make answers short. VD says civil war in 20 years or so, I see big brother winning with minor internal terrorist activity-- more than the 60s and 70's , but not very destructive because of the surveillance state. Zman's latest podcast went over how many rights we really have as americans now-- the big brother state is further along than most recognize.

However, I agree with the poster- civil wars are very brutal, so was Mao's cultural revolution and Stalin's kulak famine and great purge. So is societal breakdown btw. VD should be alive to see if the 2030s are civil war or just increased crime outside of safe areas for the protected workers. So will I, but I somehow doubt this blog will be allowed to function on an open net by then.

Blogger J Van Stry September 11, 2018 12:56 PM  

@50 Antifa are the brown shirts, what comes next are the black shirts. I don't see a civil war in twenty years, I see it in five. If the left manages to take over the Congress in the midterms, I expect to see it within two. Because they will impeach Trump. Then they'll go after Pence.

Blogger Avalanche September 11, 2018 12:57 PM  

@23 "The brutality of Sherman's march is still written on our monuments"

Well, the ones what ain't been pulled down yet... Arm up and ammo up!

Blogger Jack Amok September 11, 2018 1:55 PM  

As a general rule, the more interwoven and integrated the various nations are, the uglier the inevitable transition to homogeneous nation-states will necessarily be.

Yes. This isn't going to be another Yankees vs Rebels, this is going to be more like Kosovo on a continental scale. I read things like "Brutal as Sherman's 'March to the Sea' was..." and laugh. Sorry, I know our Southrons have grown up thinking of Sherman as the big bad boogeyman, but by the standards of history and the rest of the world, his March to the Sea was a rather genteel affair.

This is why I keep saying that we can never allow South Africans into our country. They have shit their bed, and now they must lie in it.

SA's White farmers are being killed and dispossessed because they didn't fight back in time. When tribalism threatened them, they tried to wish it away, just like Peter is advising now. The rest of the world certainly didn't help them, but I don't expect it'll help us either.

Blogger #6277 Hammer September 11, 2018 2:41 PM  

Ominous Cowhard: "This is why I keep saying that we can never allow South Africans into our country."
No, that's why you shouldn't let anyone not American into America.

Jack Amock- "SA's White farmers are being killed and dispossessed because they didn't fight back in time."

Correct. Most white South Africans expected their leaders, the elected pre 94 government would safeguard their national integrity. The De Klerk government didn't. They sold us out overnight, in the USA the process is taking much longer but heed the warning - don't rely on your government. Are Americans relying on ICE and border patrol alone or have citizens started to patrol the borders themselves? Have American citizens started to evict Somalis from the USA or are they waiting for them to magically disappear? Your government isn't going to do it.

As for Peter Grant - he is a good writer but I don't respect him as a person. Him and his kind left us with the "utopia" that they wanted, not us.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 11, 2018 2:50 PM  

Lurker wrote:"This is why I keep saying that we can never allow South Africans into our country."

Elon Musk.


Is Exhibit B.

#6277 Hammer wrote:Ominous Cowhard: "This is why I keep saying that we can never allow South Africans into our country."

No, that's why you shouldn't let anyone not American into America.


Agreed. South Africans are a specific example of the general rule. Because of the ongoing genocide, now is a good time to remember that they aren't us, and are way too cucked to take a chance on. We have far too many home grown cucks to deal with already.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 11, 2018 2:53 PM  

#6277 Hammer wrote:As for Peter Grant - he is a good writer but I don't respect him as a person. Him and his kind left us with the "utopia" that they wanted, not us.

Left you with it indeed. The coward shit in your bed and ran away. Now he's shitting in our bed. I wonder where Brave Sir Robin will bravely run to next, after he has screwed us up?

Blogger #6277Hammer September 11, 2018 2:58 PM  

Ominous Cowherd - "Because of the ongoing genocide, now is a good time to remember that they aren't us, and are way too cucked to take a chance on."

The problem is the ones you already have over there are the most cucked ones. God speed.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 11, 2018 3:35 PM  

I would not call PG a coward, anyone who has ever commented on Bosnia from being over there in one sort or another was shocked to the core, so it's fairly basic to understand that you would not want to have to live thru it with your loved ones.

As for Africa that is a shit show, preferably we could do without the virtue signaling, but how much can we bleed so Whites in Africa can have their cheap labor?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 11, 2018 4:14 PM  

#6277Hammer wrote:The problem is the ones you already have over there are the most cucked ones. God speed.

I'm sure you're right. We'll try to send them back for you.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 11, 2018 4:16 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:I would not call PG a coward ...

After he fought to destroy South Africa by ending apartheid, he ran away from the mess he helped make.

Blogger chronoblip September 11, 2018 4:29 PM  

J Van Stry wrote:It's one thing to see the coming storm, but what are you going to DO about it? Everyone loves to sit around and complain, but few ever take steps to prepare for that which is obviously coming.

Are you concerned that other people's secret preparations are not as good as your secret preparations?

I mean, you have been preparing in secret, right?

Hate to think you've come to find recruits here after your neighbors didn't take your gospel of preparedness to heart.

Your neighbors are likely much more different than the Serbs and Croats from the article were, and will all the more quickly seek a way to kill you for an even smaller disparity in circumstance than what you're boasting about having created for yourself.

Blogger SirHamster September 11, 2018 4:57 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Mr.MantraMan wrote:I would not call PG a coward ...

After he fought to destroy South Africa by ending apartheid, he ran away from the mess he helped make.


He fought to help the victims of violence of both apartheid and anti-apartheid forces.

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/07/its-been-melancholy-sort-of-day-for-me.html

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2008/12/night-christmas-became-real.html

He served a greater purpose than preserving an earthly kingdom, and I find no fault in it.

The Egyptians were doing the "right thing" from a nationalistic viewpoint to murder the children of their Hebrew slaves. Judgement came. Justice matters.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 11, 2018 5:01 PM  

SirHamster wrote:He fought to help the victims of violence of both apartheid and anti-apartheid forces.

It's been a few years since I read his accounts of that time. The impression I recall was that he was anti-apartheid, and a tiny part of the reason the commies won and the genocide started.

Blogger Kerryman86 September 11, 2018 5:02 PM  

A heiarchal deconstruction of the main demographic tribes of the United States over time and its impact on the original founding state.
In order to better understand the evolution of the formation of the United States one must separate the different waves of ethnic population groups by founder effect, assimilation capability, innovative contribution and productivity.
1) Pioneers- English settlements of Plymouth, Roanoke, Jamestown, New Netherlands, founding stock of British America, highly motivated skin in the game, high IQ, strong religious/libertarian beliefs, cohesive ethnic religious culture, create the founding ecosystem for later tribal groups, high culture/respect for abstract law, high trust low criminality behavioral genetic makeup, high novelty acceptance, extremely tolerant culture fir innovation creative destruction
2) Settlers- Ulster Scots, Germans, Scandinavians, Irish, first tribes to arrive after stable ecosystem founded, slightly less innovative risk taking, marginally less intelligent, more prone to criminality, marginally less libertarian, can assimilate well to high culture even when becoming numerically superior to founding stock if enough generations pass for genetic alleles favoring founding stocks behavioral traits are respected and valued. Marginal changes in culture occur and regional differences in culture can be noticed even after settler foundation becomes majority native born.
3) Immigrants- Slavs, Italians, Iberians noticible differences in culture IQ, if numerically superior to founding stock high chance culture will switch to immigrant/hybrid culture less innovative lower IQ less libertarian, must be kept to low levels in order to not change culture radically
4) interlopers- Jews, North East Asians, gypsies, medium to large differences in IQ cultural norms, strong tendencies for in group preference, medium to low preference for assimilation, non assimilation is part of cultural economic strategy can become hostile elite or hostile lower parasitical class, numbers of such groups should be limited and monitored strongly
5) Invaders- Sub saharan Africans, Arabs, Berbers, south East Asians, mestizos, mullatos low IQ, unwillingness or inability to assimilate, hostile, violent, pre civilization behavioral genetics, form ghettos immediately, become a hostile parasitical subclass with militant will to power ambitions, total exclusion deportation recommended or civial war genocide likely scenario

Blogger SirHamster September 11, 2018 5:08 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:It's been a few years since I read his accounts of that time. The impression I recall was that he was anti-apartheid, and a tiny part of the reason the commies won and the genocide started.

Only saying that the coward label does not fit him.

You may disagree with his actions, and may find fault with how his actions led to today's SA situation.

But the connection is tenuous, and one must serve God and His Justice even over nationalist goals.

Another account, that I think is too personal to be 2nd hand, on a forgotten, murdered, African village.
https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2010/05/remembering-forgotten-ones.html

Blogger VFM #7634 September 11, 2018 6:14 PM  

@Kerryman86

Or more simply:
1) colonial English
2) other Celto-Germanic
3) other European
4) higher-IQ nonwhite
5) low-IQ nonwhite

Blogger weka September 11, 2018 8:08 PM  

Given what is happening in South Africa and what happened in Zimbabwe, agree.

The Yarpies in NZ are integrating fast. Because they know the alternative, and NZ is too small to ever survive as an empire.

The Muslims and Americans who cannot integrate need to go back. Silicon valley nerds included.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 11, 2018 8:20 PM  

weka wrote:The Muslims and Americans who cannot integrate need to go back. Silicon valley nerds included.
You misspelled "especially" there.

Blogger Nihil Dicit September 11, 2018 9:06 PM  

And SillyIcon Valley "nepotists".

Blogger Kerryman86 September 11, 2018 9:40 PM  

Yeah I think yours is a little too sparse though

Blogger Were-Puppy September 11, 2018 10:37 PM  

@38 #6277Hammer

That's possible. How many people are under the impression that with the coming civil war they are going to leave their wives and kids safely at home and go off to the battlefront to face the enemy?
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There is a youtube documentary about the Spanish Civil War.

One of the episodes shows how these people thought of the whole thing as an exciting game. They would all hop off to a battlefield in the morning, then be home for dinner that evening.

This must have been early skirmishes, more than actual battles.

Blogger J Van Stry September 11, 2018 10:48 PM  

chronoblip wrote:Are you concerned that other people's secret preparations are not as good as your secret preparations?

I mean, you have been preparing in secret, right?

Hate to think you've come to find recruits here after your neighbors didn't take your gospel of preparedness to heart.


Putting up a gun and a couple of weeks of food is hardly preparing.
I'm not looking for recruits.
And 'secret preparations'? Please, like any of those will save your ass.

I moved back out to the country in an area where things like firearms and hunting are valued, not prosecuted. I'm networking with my new neighbors by helping them out with some of their problems, and not adding any new ones. I'm becoming part of the community in a place where community means something.

I've moved away from the place that once the food stops the riots will start. Where once the law breaks down the police will pack up and decide their own families come first, leaving the gangs to own it all.

If all the people who say 'oh yeah I'm gonna do something' had done something twenty or thirty years ago, we wouldn't be in this position today. But we are, so forgive me if I suspect that they're not doing anything this time around either.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 12, 2018 1:41 PM  

SirHamster wrote:Only saying that the coward label does not fit him.


He didn't stay to face the music he arranged.

SirHamster wrote:You may disagree with his actions, and may find fault with how his actions led to today's SA situation.

Thank you, I shall.

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