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Sunday, September 30, 2018

Fake IQ tests

25/25. You are a GENIUS!
Way to go! Only people with an IQ score of 153-161 aced this general knowledge test. 
I can personally attest that you don't need an IQ of 153, much less 161, to score 25/25 on this general knowledge test. Especially since it took me less than 30 seconds to take it. Frankly, I'd be astonished if anyone reading this blog got less than 22 of the answers right.

As a general rule, Internet IQ tests are, like this one, completely fake and meant to flatter the test-taker. Knowledge can serve as a partial proxy for IQ, but it can never provide any sort of quantitative measure because storage is not processing power. Also, genius is not measured in capability or IQ, but in unique historical achievement.

But there is one intriguing thing about this clickbaitery, which is the notion that only people with IQs under 161 can get a perfect score. Are they suggesting that 4SD minds tend to overcomplicate straightforward questions? Or, as is much more likely the case, are they just playing the scientistic game of selling credibility through false claims of precision?

If so, they're hardly alone. For as Daniel Dennett has assured us, you can trust biologists because physicists get amazingly accurate results.

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72 Comments:

Blogger Angantyr September 30, 2018 1:14 PM  

Yep. I guess I'm not just a "genius", but a "sooper genius"...

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 30, 2018 1:15 PM  

Or, as is much more likely the case, are they just playing the scientistic game of selling credibility through false claims of precision?

Or, they may not be sharp enough to realize that they put an upper end on the range, and that it matters. Never attribute to malice what can be explained by malice and stupidity combined.

Blogger Angantyr September 30, 2018 1:17 PM  

In fairness, some of these tests are fun. Most of the questions are so easy that if you miss them, you are a certified fuckwit, but they sometimes throw a few ringers in. On the WWII aircraft quiz most are obvious, some are a little trickier, while some are downright obscure (aircraft from minor powers like Italy, Australia, Poland, etc.)

Blogger JRR September 30, 2018 1:20 PM  

I smashed it - 25/25 and I don't even consider myself all that smart. Above average, certainly, but a genius? Not by a long shot.

Blogger JRR September 30, 2018 1:20 PM  

That test is about knowledge, not IQ. An educated idiot could ace it.

Blogger Angantyr September 30, 2018 1:23 PM  

"An educated idiot could ace it."

And they do, and consider themselves "sooper geniuses" thereby...

Blogger Salt September 30, 2018 1:32 PM  

Clickbait.

Blogger DonReynolds September 30, 2018 1:44 PM  

Reminds me of one of those College Bowl events from back in the 1970s. A female Asian student was asked the color of blood. She was a biology major, so she knew the correct answer...it is clear (until exposed to oxygen, then it turns red). The College Bowl brains said "clear" was the wrong answer and she had to be dismissed.

My favorite wrong answer was when the College Bowl asked one club the largest denomination bill ever in US currency. The correct answer would be $100,000....with the picture of Woodrow Wilson. But that was not the answer the club gave, but the College Bowl insisted that Silver Certificates were not currency, so any guess would probably be wrong anyway. The College Bowl does use some pretty crummy questions and even gets their own answer wrong sometimes.

Blogger Bogey September 30, 2018 1:44 PM  

Was this test designed to make you look smart? I kept acing one than hitting next and acing the next. Pretty sure I missed a few.

Blogger Lamarck Leland September 30, 2018 1:45 PM  

Yup. It's purpose is just to make the test taker feel good. You wouldn't share and come back to a website that just called you an idiot.

Not being American I had to guess when they killed JFK but 25/25 still. Representing Vox Popoli, I guess, HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!

Blogger Dire Badger September 30, 2018 1:45 PM  

proof positive that even someone with an IQ of barely 115 can ace it.

Blogger Ferdinand September 30, 2018 1:47 PM  

That test is insultingly easy. It is an intelligence test in one sense though. If someone is proud of themselves for acing it, they are a midwit at best.

Blogger Dire Badger September 30, 2018 1:48 PM  

Heck, I never even graduated Junior high and I aced it. Of course, instead of reassuring me that I am 'smart', it instead calls into question the efficacy of American schools.

Blogger Mark Stoval September 30, 2018 1:54 PM  

This would be the perfect thread to ask a question that I really do need help with. Heck, I will even be on-topic! :-)

I want a free IQ test that is pretty accurate that can be given to a room full of middle school kids and then can be scored relatively easily.

In the mid 60s my public Jr. High (7-9) in Tennessee gave us all a test that they got, I think, from the US Army. Our parents were given the score so that they would know more about us kids. I think I recall the English teacher gave us the test in English class.

Anyway, I would like to do some checking on those who did not take the cognitive portion of the IOWA test which provides a proxy to IQ. (we give that to 3rd graders)

Note: A private religious school, but that should not matter.

Any help would be appreciated.

Blogger Jimmy September 30, 2018 1:56 PM  

Harrison Bergeron could not be reached for comment.

Blogger Roddie Piper September 30, 2018 1:58 PM  

Peggy Hill has an IQ of 170, according to an on-line IQ test:

http://www3.watchcartoonsonline.eu/watch/king-of-the-hill-season-6-episode-10-the-substitute-spanish-prisoner/

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 30, 2018 2:02 PM  

I did rather well on the ASVAB, so much so the officers in my battery were always mentioning it in my reviews, but later in life I took a test that had what I think were Raven Matrices on it and I feel lucky to be able to tie my own shoes.

Blogger John September 30, 2018 2:07 PM  

My IQ is way below 153 and I "aced" the test.

This reminds me of a question I wanted to ask for a while—can I use my SAT percentile as a reasonable first-order estimate of my IQ percentile, even if I took a later version of the SAT?

(If not, why not?)

Blogger Cecil Henry September 30, 2018 2:08 PM  

@15: Amen


These IQ 'tests' are meant to bolster egos and drive clicks.

And ultimately, IQ is not the issue. The truth is the issue.

There's a moral dimension to the likes and logic of Dennett et al., and IQ only serves to obfuscate it.

Justification by IQ is neither Biblical nor rational.

Blogger Quinten Quartermain September 30, 2018 2:12 PM  

I believe there was an episode of King of the Hill on this sort of thing.

Blogger InformationMerchant September 30, 2018 2:15 PM  

Has anyone tried tanking it yet? I'm not entirely convinced that it'd fail you if you got 40% of the questions wrong.

Anyway, that one isn't particularly insidious, so I don't mind it. The IQ test is being able to determine if it's testing your IQ (fluid, not crystallized).

The ones I hate are the ones that used to float around 15 years ago. They weren't timed, but did ask questions designed to test your IQ. They gave inflated answers and you could buy a certificate from them to "prove" your IQ.

I can think of one in particular. The max score was 165, someone posted it on an internet forum. My group of friends scored 140-163, other people on the forum that I knew got 120-135.

We knew it was inflated, but I'm sure plenty of other people believed it. If someone with an IQ of 105-110 took it and got told they had an IQ of 115-120, they wouldn't have much to compare it with.

It was a geeky forum, so I have no idea what'd have happened if someone with a sub 100 IQ took it.

Blogger InformationMerchant September 30, 2018 2:17 PM  

inflated results*

Blogger Matrick September 30, 2018 2:18 PM  

I must not be a genius as, although I "smashed it", I was too stupid to notice where my score was written.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 30, 2018 2:18 PM  

@18 John, there's a conversion chart here. College entrance exams don't correlate with IQ as closely as they used to, but I think you can still get a reasonable estimate. Certainly better than you're going to get from any free online test.

Blogger Harambe September 30, 2018 2:22 PM  

Is there a Sigma Quotient test out there though?

Blogger rumpole5 September 30, 2018 2:24 PM  

Likewise 25/25, but this one was easier than some that I've taken.

Blogger Servant September 30, 2018 2:33 PM  

I had to guess on all the capitals ones because of years of tuning that stuff out in class and it claimed I got a perfect score. I'm a good guesser but still. What's the capital of Taiwan?

Blogger AbsurdityIsPeace September 30, 2018 2:44 PM  

@InformationMerchant
I tried getting as many wrong as possible and it said "You failed. Try again." Or something along those lines.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 30, 2018 2:58 PM  

According to that, I'm a super genius, smashed it.

In reality, I don't think so :P

Blogger Frank Underwood September 30, 2018 3:02 PM  

Here is an accurate internet iq test for you: http://test.mensa.no

Blogger Don't Call Me Len September 30, 2018 3:25 PM  

Who's "John the Baptizer"?

We're supposed to take seriously as a "real" test of intelligence multiple choice questions that have only two choices?

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants September 30, 2018 3:26 PM  

I did, too, and I thought I accidently clicked the wrong answer twice.
Does it tell everyone that they smashed it?

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants September 30, 2018 3:28 PM  

I was thinking that, as well. I'm a woman & maybe a hair above average woman, but I'm certainly not big brained.
I do have a great memory and I am a voracious reader. Guess that's what I get by on, most of the time.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants September 30, 2018 3:31 PM  

I assumed that was his Twitter handle or rap name.

Blogger Lance E September 30, 2018 3:35 PM  

Something to ponder: Is not knowing how an IQ test works a sign of low IQ, or just a lack of knowledge?

My intuition says that people of at least moderately high IQ ought to be able to intuit, even without prior knowledge, that correctly answering 25 trivia questions is something that an average individual could do.

Blogger Stickwick Stapers September 30, 2018 3:37 PM  

Andres the Baptizer sounds like a Belgian pro-wrestler.

Blogger AbsurdityIsPeace September 30, 2018 3:43 PM  

When does someone have the potential to be genius? At 100 IQ, 115, 140?

Blogger tz September 30, 2018 3:51 PM  

Similar performance to Vox - the next test was "what kind of princess are you".

If answering these trivially easy questions means you are a genius, we are doomed.

(Multiple choice?! I have to come up with the right answer on trivia night by myself, but usually get high on buzztime).

However if whatever new Blog needs a Catchpa for the comment system...

Blogger InformationMerchant September 30, 2018 4:14 PM  

@28 Thanks. I got about 10 of them wrong and "smashed it". My earlier guess of around 60% being a pass seems right, although I may have been too generous. I'm not going to play with it enough to find out if 33% is a pass though.

@35 With a little bit of knowledge of IQ or a tiny bit of knowledge about IQ tests, yes. Without any knowledge of IQ at all, I don't think so. It'd be obviously an unreliable test, but they may consider a test with one thousand questions a reliable test. The army IQ tests from 100 years ago were awful compared to today's IQ tests.

Blogger pyrrhus September 30, 2018 4:16 PM  

Wow, I'm a genius too! This clickbait is a joke...

Blogger David The Good September 30, 2018 4:43 PM  

I scored Sigma again.

Blogger Seth Schueler September 30, 2018 4:47 PM  

Isn't 161 the max score for a standard adult IQ test? I think a special test is required for people above this range.

Blogger Seth Schueler September 30, 2018 4:53 PM  

"Reminds me of one of those College Bowl events from back in the 1970s. A female Asian student was asked the color of blood. She was a biology major, so she knew the correct answer...it is clear (until exposed to oxygen, then it turns red). The College Bowl brains said "clear" was the wrong answer and she had to be dismissed."

I had a similar experience. I was at bar trivia with geology grad student colleagues, mainly PhD's and the question "what mineral primarily makes up human teeth" was asked. We all knew the mineral apatite (calcium phosphate) to be the correct answer. The trivia master then declared that the answer was "calcium" and would not grant us points.

Blogger Lamarck Leland September 30, 2018 5:08 PM  

@14. Mark Stoval

If you're looking for a computer IQ test here's a fun matrix IQ test:

http://www.iqtest.dk/main.swf

It is psychometric test but not necessarily a "pure" IQ test though.

Blogger Alphaeus September 30, 2018 5:16 PM  

That test was way too easy, except for the trick question about Pearl Harbor. Everyone who's seen Animal House knows that it was the Germans who bombed it, and by the way it wasn't over when they did it.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 September 30, 2018 5:16 PM  

Only one I missed was History of Time author.

I had to guess the capital of Taiwan... but I got it.

Blogger John Russo September 30, 2018 5:21 PM  

Vince Young scored a 6 on the wonderlic.

Blogger Roddie Piper September 30, 2018 5:25 PM  

"Isn't 161 the max score for a standard adult IQ test? I think a special test is required for people above this range."

I think it's fundamentally impossible to measure the intelligence of someone who's smarter than all the test designers. As Agadmator said of a chess match between AlphaZero and Stockfish, both far better than any human player, "How are we supposed to evaluate this move [by AlphaZero], with Stockfish?"

"what mineral primarily makes up human teeth"

The show "Are you smarter than a fifth grader?" once asked, under "Astronomy", in what month the vernal equinox takes place in the southern hemisphere, with "September" being the correct answer. The vernal equinox is always in March. Astronomers study the sky, they don't care what season it is where you live!

Blogger justaguy September 30, 2018 5:51 PM  

Someone with a 3+ SD IQ normally knows it and doesn't need a general knowledge (whatever that is) test to show it. On the standardized tests on takes in school, that person would always by in the 99th %, likely top SATs and PSATs too. I do not know how much they have changed these tests, but at least in the 60s and 70s they were pretty well correlated to IQ. Of course sitting down with a qualified testor for the hour or so it takes is the best way. Murray has a good discussion about the correlation of tests in his now banned/not to be mentioned book.

Blogger dtungsten September 30, 2018 5:52 PM  

I "smashed" it, but didn't get a score, so I don't know how many (if any) I got wrong.

I'm really more interested in what Disney Princess Vox is.

Blogger Alphaeus September 30, 2018 5:56 PM  

"I'm really more interested in what Disney Princess Vox is."

Snow White, of course.

Blogger bo September 30, 2018 6:04 PM  

this demonstrates something rather clearly:
that Vox can't stand for all of his readers to know that they are just as smart as he is.

alternatively, Michael Rogers has just demonstrated an IQ in the double digit range
...
but he is pretty good at sales BS.

Blogger 1100 September 30, 2018 6:06 PM  

It seems to me that a test maker / giver might be concerned about people over thinking the question for an obvious reason. the test maker does not have a high enough IQ to phrase the question is a manner that makes their point clear to high intelligence test takers. I have often wanted to rephrase questions so they are asking for a clear answer. I find that I often have to 'dumb down' my answer based on my perception of the person asking the question.
I am just saying what is on the minds of many who are not in the plus one or two SD categories.

Blogger tublecane September 30, 2018 6:30 PM  

"Storage is not processing power"

Also, there is the Slumdog Millionaire factor. You could get lucky and just so happen to know what they ask.

I tried out for Jeopardy once, because they were holding open auditions at the Mall of America when I was there. Stood in line for a couple of hours with regular-type people, i.e. rubes. You are given a ten question quiz, and I assume you have to get nine to pass because I passed and I'm pretty sure I got one wrong.

The next round, suddenly the room was full of nerds. Not necessarily highly intelligent, but certainly a cut above the cattle call crowd. So there's some value to little quizzes like that, but to put numbers to it is just ridiculous.

Blogger Lance E September 30, 2018 6:36 PM  

Roddie Piper wrote:I think it's fundamentally impossible to measure the intelligence of someone who's smarter than all the test designers.

Why would that be the case? I can measure how fast you can run or how much weight you can lift, even if I'm slower and weaker. Intelligence is obviously more complicated, but there are plenty of things we can measure that we can't perceive directly, like the temperature of the sun or the weight of an atom. That's what tools are for.

To use your own example - we may not be able to accurately judge a single move in an AlphaZero vs. Stockfish chess match, but we can certainly determine which one is the better player, by simply having them play each other for several games.

IQ is a relative metric. It's well within the reach of an individual to design a test to prove the superiority of another person in some field, by choosing a task that they found very difficult (or impossible) and seeing if another person completes it easily. Selecting the task can be tricky - hence why IQ is not the same as g - but there is plenty of fertile ground between "completely useless" and "100% accurate".

Blogger tublecane September 30, 2018 6:37 PM  

@53- There was a book called the House of Intellect by Jacques Barzun containing a real multiple-choice question from a high-level test. College entrance or whatever, I forget. This was an extreme example of unclearness, because not only was it phrased in such a way that highly intelligent people could make a case for all four questions being correct, but people of normal intelligence come up with random answers in good faith. (I tested it with friends and family members, and got an array of results.)

It's good to keep in mind that within the intellectual class educationists are especially stupid. Above journalists, but still.

Blogger Alphaeus September 30, 2018 6:55 PM  

" I find that I often have to 'dumb down' my answer based on my perception of the person asking the question. I am just saying what is on the minds of many who are not in the plus one or two SD categories."

Some here might find this interesting to consider. I do income tax return preparation and I have to be at least somewhat smart to be able to do it adequately, but it's funny to me that even with my most intelligent clients I have to "dumb down" as it were, so to speak, my explanations of a lot of what goes on with their tax returns. Just being smarter doesn't mean that one can understand income tax bullshit. It does fool my clients in thinking I'm a genius when I talk like I understand their Basis limitations, At Risk limitations, and Passive Activity limitations when I'm deducting their allowable losses.

Anonymous Anonymous September 30, 2018 9:53 PM  

@8 The College Bowl does use some pretty crummy questions and even gets their own answer wrong sometimes.

A recurring error in W5H/Schoolreach/Reach for the Top in my time was "What colour is Grover from Sesame Street?" He's blue, but the 'official' answer was green.

IQ dicksizing annoys me (same with anyone other than a physician or a time lord insisting on being called doctor), but what they say about how people relate over a 2 SD gap -- something I learned here -- matches my experience.

Blogger Servant September 30, 2018 10:09 PM  

Or a timelord lol

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey September 30, 2018 11:35 PM  

@8 DonReynolds
Reminds me of one of those College Bowl events from back in the 1970s. A female Asian student was asked the color of blood. She was a biology major, so she knew the correct answer...it is clear (until exposed to oxygen, then it turns red).

No. Deoxygenated blood is dark red, with a bluish tinge. Fully oxygenated blood is bright red.
https://omlc.org/spectra/hemoglobin/

(And carboxyhemoglobin is very bright red).

Think about it -- even without the color imparted by hemoglobin, blood is never going to be clear, since it's a suspension, not a solution.
Even plasma (blood with all cellular elements removed) is yellowish tan, and more translucent than tranparent.

@43 Seth Schueler

We all knew the mineral apatite (calcium phosphate) to be the correct answer. The trivia master then declared that the answer was "calcium" and would not grant us points.

That's some pretty basic confusion over the definition of "mineral" vs. "element."

Blogger Shrugger October 01, 2018 12:06 AM  

Blood in your body is either dark red (o2 depleted) or bright red (o2 enriched). Not clear. Ever had your blood drawn into an (o2-free) vial?

Blogger liberranter October 01, 2018 1:11 AM  

If passing THAT test is a sign of "genius," I shudder to think of what mental retardation must look like.

Blogger Miguel October 01, 2018 1:14 AM  

You are right VD. I got all correct but I am far (very far) from being a "genius".

Blogger Remo - Vile Faceless Minion #99 October 01, 2018 1:41 AM  

Perfect score <1 minute. The questions are ridiculously easy and I would expect an average High school student circa 1960 to score 24 out of 25 (obviously not including the history questions that came after this time period).

I do not have a 161 IQ - very far from it and this test is simple clickbait.

Blogger Alt London October 01, 2018 8:35 AM  

I'm minded to generalise a quote about Stephen Fry, which calls him "a stupid person's idea of what an intelligent person is like."

Blogger Hammerli280 October 01, 2018 10:26 AM  

IQ scores are nice, but eventually you have to deliver on the potential. If you're over 30 or so, people expect to see Great Things.

Blogger Didas Kalos October 01, 2018 12:37 PM  

Well, that was stupid! LOL

Blogger CYGNUS FACETIOUS October 02, 2018 2:18 AM  

Alphaeus wrote:That test was way too easy, except for the trick question about Pearl Harbor. Everyone who's seen Animal House knows that it was the Germans who bombed it, and by the way it wasn't over when they did it.

They sank the USS Liberty during that raid. See the film Torah Torah Torah! -- even better than Gregory Peck in Macbeth.

tublecane wrote:"Storage is not processing power"

This is what makes your average physician a dangerous, glorified pharmacist with 19th century classist delusions as to what holding a Doctor of Medicine title actually confers (the Hippocratic Oath will be the extent of their Greek; the name Galen, will induce expressions approximating a dog show a card trick.) That and the residency process is a good facsimile of sleep deprivation 'enhanced interrogation'.

Blogger S. Thermite October 02, 2018 2:30 AM  

Have taken some fake Internet IQ tests years ago and also paid for the online pre-screening test offered by MENSA. But this is the first “IQ test” I’ve seen based solely on knowledge aka trivia. SMH. Even halfwits can grok that knowing the year WWI started =/= intelligence.

Blogger Mẹo Giảm Cân October 02, 2018 3:46 AM  

i just have 98 points. What happen with me ._.'?
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Blogger Alphaeus October 02, 2018 10:34 AM  

"Even halfwits can grok that knowing the year WWI started =/= intelligence."

Awareness that there are arguments for claiming the start of both WWI and WWII would seem to indicate higher intelligence. Some people think that WWI started with the Balkan wars a few years earlier. Some people think that WWII started in 1931 when Japan invaded Manchuria. Others are wise guys who know that as a practical matter WWII did not become a true world war until 12/7/1941 and
the US and much of the remaining countries jumped on the bandwagon and began declaring
war against other countries in what might look to distant observers to be a random process.
Why else would Poland declare war on Japan except for the purpose of cementing the definition of the conflict as a true World War?

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