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Friday, September 21, 2018

For the record

Diversity & Comics@DiversityAndCmx
I've been peeking in on yall's conversation, but I needed a chime in here. Vox has been roundly mocked by me and Ethan for the past year in his abortive attempts to be a publisher.
Castalia House has been around since 2014 and publishes more than 100 titles in print, digital, and audio editions. Arkhaven/Dark Legion has been around for nine months and has already published 24 digital editions and 11 print editions, including a new digital edition earlier today.

It's not exactly surprising to learn that Two-Face was roundly mocking me at the same time he was suggesting that I collaborate with him. Hence the moniker. But I don't think this D&C moron even understands what the word "abortive" means. Or "attempts", for that matter.

Anyhow, it's very good to know exactly who and what these people are, so that we'll know to avoid working with them in the future. I'm beginning to conclude that some of these guys were not rejected by their former colleagues in the comics industry for their politics, but for their personalities and lack of professionalism.


UPDATE: An Arkhaven author points out that our attempts to be a publisher are observably successful.
The Ember War IndieGoGo!@jondelarroz
Funny. Vox publishes me, @Dixonverse, Gary Kwapisz and others in comics. In politics @Cernovich @JackPosobiec @StefanMolyneux and others. In science fiction big names like @NickColeBooks and B.V. Larson so sell books 10x the level you do.

How's Splatto Comics coming?

UPDATE: I wonder why 2VS didn't use "ComicsGate Comics"? I hear it is available. And doesn't he have the trademark?
Cyberfrog: Bloodhoney creator Ethan Van Sciver announced a brand new publishing company called ALL CAPS Comics that will house Cyberfrog: Bloodhoney and future endeavors he plans on taking on. Ethan described ALL CAPS Comics as “the name of my publishing. It will be the label under which I solicit my comics through DIAMOND to place my books for sale on the direct market.”

The publishing company will currently be focused on Cyberfrog as well as possible spin-offs from that title. It will also house “all other ideas [Ethan has] for IPs” unrelated to Cyberfrog. Ethan told us Cyberfrog: Bloodhoney will be released in a “new format next year thru DIAMOND under ALL CAPS.” Ethan is currently the only creator who will be operating under ALL CAPS Comics at this moment, but he’s definitely open to see other creators join him.
I have to admit, I liked this movie better the first time, when it was called Dangerous Books. But some people are simply incapable of learning from the mistakes of others.

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84 Comments:

Blogger Wanderer September 21, 2018 9:46 PM  

Sometimes I hate centrists more than I hate SJWs.

Blogger Matt September 21, 2018 9:49 PM  

Comic nerds are almost entirely gammas and omegas.

Blogger Matt September 21, 2018 9:51 PM  

Attempts at publishing? Has his crappy indie even seen print yet??

Meanwhile, Chuck Dixon is at Arkhaven.

EVS is a loser. 20+ years in the business, and he has no power. SAD!

Blogger CoolHand September 21, 2018 9:55 PM  

@2 There may be a lot of gammas in "fandom", but there are at least as many deltas that purchase and enjoy comics as well. They won't be the rabid fanboi types, but that doesn't mean they don't enjoy the medium.

You only need to be an insufferable twat to "enjoy" the SJW titles, not all comics in general.

Blogger SmockMan September 21, 2018 10:01 PM  

D&C is an entertaining train wreck, but the constant drama he gets into was too much for me.

Blogger Lazarus September 21, 2018 10:09 PM  

Professionalism is a tool of the patriarchy.

Blogger Roy Stalin September 21, 2018 10:12 PM  

But but but it only counts if you are in (soon to be defunct) local comic shops.

Blogger Nathan Housley September 21, 2018 10:14 PM  

D&C does have a distressing habit of wandering blindly into ambushes.

Blogger Roy Stalin September 21, 2018 10:16 PM  

Also, what Matt at #3 said, has that book of his even come out yet? How long has it been since that campaign closed out? Not to mention that Van Sciver better get his butt in gear and get off of YouTube if that frog book is going to make that November release.

Blogger Rigel Kent September 21, 2018 10:16 PM  

He (D&C) liked "The Last Jedi", what else do you need to know?

Blogger jSinSaTx September 21, 2018 10:17 PM  

D&C’s trans charity drive and his apologizing to Mags was stomach turning. No spine. But Vox is who he chooses to go after. What a clown.

Blogger John D Alden September 21, 2018 10:22 PM  

Reality takes a back seat to ya boi Zack's abortive attempts at in-group signaling.

Did he go through with that LGBTQWTFBBQ charity drive, or did he wise up to how bad that looked? I'm not sure because he deleted at least some of the tweets about it.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch September 21, 2018 10:29 PM  

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Blogger Laramie Hirsch September 21, 2018 10:30 PM  

Damn, Diversity and Comics is going to be this stupid, too? I enjoy his criticisms of Captain Marvel.

These people are dumb. Their stock has depreciated. They'll be further exposed in the future.

Yes, Vox, you definitely dodged a bullet with Two-Face.

Blogger Dave September 21, 2018 10:36 PM  

He's all full of himself because he's in the process of fulfilling orders for his comic book. He has to wait for a postage printer from stamps.com however. Good planning. Someone with a little more intelligence might have done some fact-checking first and realized Arkhaven/Dark Legion have printed and distributed thousands of print editions to date.

DiversityAndCmx @DiversityAndCmx
Done for the day. Packaged about 150 books. 0 mailed. Waiting for the postage printer from http://stamps.com

Kind of a frustrating day, but I made progress and learned several things. Things should pick up speed quickly.

100% hiring at fulfillment service for JAWBREAKERS.

5:10 PM - 21 Sep 2018

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 21, 2018 10:38 PM  

@10, The Last Jedi makes a pretty good litmus test. Every time I've seen someone defend it, pretty soon the ideology bleeds through. Even when they don't know that's why they like it, it's why.

Blogger John D Alden September 21, 2018 10:42 PM  

Diversity & Comics
‏@DiversityAndCmx

Vox try to co-op the Comicsgate label and within an hour we had united to denounce him. He basically left with his tail between his legs and hasn't come back for another attempt.

8:35 PM - 21 Sep 2018


What an absolute twat.

Link to archived tweet

Blogger Lance E September 21, 2018 10:47 PM  

It's true. I've watched many of the purges in a different industry from the inside. While there are many, many innocent victims of SJW convergence, the ones who tend to get purged first (and generally scream the loudest) are not necessarily the ones whose politics are the farthest right, but rather the ones who (a) cannot hold frame under pressure, (b) bumble into all sorts of avoidable tactical errors, and consequently (c) have few allies and elicit very little sympathy.

It's always a tough call weighing whether or not to welcome a recent victim into a dissident group. Without a robust background check, there's a non-trivial likelihood they'll be more damaging than the actual SJWs. For mainstream examples, see Ian Miles Cheong, Andy Warski and just about anyone in the "skeptic" "community".

The left thrives on damaged goods because they don't care about group cohesion, but these still-in-the-Matrix outcasts are toxic to any pro-order movement.

Blogger Dave September 21, 2018 10:51 PM  

including a new digital edition earlier today

Umm, thanks for the heads-up? Has it become so commonplace to release new comics by The Legend Chuck Dixon now you casually throw in a link in a random post? But seriously, no new release email that I could find.

Blogger Garuna September 21, 2018 11:26 PM  

As I've said many times, these people are not moderates. They are REJECTS. Everything they do is to try and get themselves un-rejected.

Watch him try to please the Comedy Central guy in that ComicsGate segment. He was apologizing for all his trash talking and thought-crimes. And afterwards when he got mocked and rejected anyways, he went online and started pushing the "well, I don't care about your opinion" meme.

These rejects try to distance themselves from the proper right-wing because they know once they align themselves with a Vox Day, they're making a permanent commitment to dissidence and will never be accepted by liberals again.

Blogger GammaCatch September 21, 2018 11:30 PM  

Just unreal. Wow did that thing collapse fast. D&C, EVS, and co. obviously did not do their research. They hate Vox Day more than they hate The Left. Just like Glenn Beck, just like Ben Shapiro. Stunning ignorance and cowardice. I wonder how many Progressive messages will be in Cyberfrog: Bloodhoney and Jawbreakers? Guess I will find out.

Blogger Garuna September 21, 2018 11:30 PM  

One of the biggest problems on the Right is the "accept anyone and everyone" attitude. Sure, we need to convert people. But it must be genuine conversion. Can't just take a bunch of REJECTS and put them in charge.

Blogger David The Good September 21, 2018 11:37 PM  

What a joker. I have three gardening books and a novel with CH and the royalties have often paid all my rent, which is not cheap. Multiple category bestsellers, in kindle, print and audio editions. And I'm not the best selling author we have. What a moron.

Blogger David The Good September 21, 2018 11:37 PM  

A joker and a moron. And he liked Soy Wars.

Blogger Nathan Housley September 21, 2018 11:43 PM  

These creators are getting robbed by their customers. No second printings, lest it diminish collector value. But the creators don't get any percentage on collector sales. They would, if they could do multiple printings for new customers.

Rejects listening to rejects. It wouldn't surprise me if these speculator collectors drove the attacks on Vox.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 21, 2018 11:43 PM  

- D&C has fantastic commentaries on the state of Marvel!
- Ethan's artwork is THE TRUTH!
- Arkhaven is talking the "talk" AND walking the "walk". That label is gonna BLOW UP!!!!
- Mr. Beale gets into the weeds of the comics industry in meaningful ways!

The three of them got me back into a casual reading of comic books after 25 years.

One more thing.... You guys might wanna slightly alter the packaging of the graphic novels. I'm completely satisfied with the "Gun Ghoul" graphic novel however, one of the corners and several pages were bent. Could be a packaging issue. Check that out. Oh, and I just ordered Alt-Hero #4. Oh, and another thing, when is the print edition of Avalon #2 going to be available? Oh wait, I got another thing... is there a print edition of "Mutiny in Space"?

Blogger Gordon Freece September 22, 2018 12:01 AM  

Today’s linguistic tip: The “cuck ‘y’all’” is always a tell.

Blogger pyrrhus September 22, 2018 12:16 AM  

@27 "The “cuck ‘y’all’” is always a tell."

Absolutely, a tell of low intelligence...It's really labor saving when people reveal they are retards without you having to make an effort to find out..

Blogger GammaCatch September 22, 2018 12:48 AM  

I'm just finding out about Jack Posobiec and the Q debunkery on OAN. As I think VD has said: Morale Matters. The Left has ten zillion mouthpieces, and the Virtuous Right is ready to swoop in WHENEVER we start actually damaging The Left. If we had inflatable tanks in front of the DNC, and it was the ONLY thing keeping them from killing us, a Glenn Beck or Ben Shapiro would passionately apologize to Antifa and tell them that we are sorry for the trick and they may leave at will.

Obviously the goal is just to damage The Movement. Anyone with half a brain knows that all you have to do is WAIT to debunk something like this. Criticize in private, praise in public, right? Same deal. If Leftists in The State are not imprisoned, then we know it's a scam. But until then The Right ought back the idea at the very least. Q scares the HELL out of Leftists! They bring out all the last resort tropes and taking points.

Blogger Lucius Cincinnatus September 22, 2018 1:09 AM  

David The Good wrote:What a joker. I have three gardening books and a novel with CH and the royalties have often paid all my rent, which is not cheap. Multiple category bestsellers, in kindle, print and audio editions. And I'm not the best selling author we have. What a moron.

It's baffling these people are attacking what is likely to be one of the very few companies to work with that isn't going to hyper-censor every thing that does not fit "the narrative".

Blogger FUBARwest September 22, 2018 1:17 AM  

Comments like that make me wonder is this stupidity or deceit? I find it hard to believe none of these creators know about Arkhaven and Dark Legion and the success its having. Do they think that by pretending it doesnt exist that makes it so? Or the Amazon beat seller list isn't a thing? It is really strange.

Blogger S. Thermite September 22, 2018 1:33 AM  

“Roundly” mocking someone sounds like the circle-jerk pastime of obese wannabes and SJW gammas. If I truly despise someone I don’t mock them. Imitation being the sicerest form of flattery and all that...

Blogger lowercaseb September 22, 2018 2:02 AM  

FUBARwest wrote:Comments like that make me wonder is this stupidity or deceit? I find it hard to believe none of these creators know about Arkhaven and Dark Legion and the success its having. Do they think that by pretending it doesnt exist that makes it so? Or the Amazon beat seller list isn't a thing? It is really strange.

They have to...They make their money by YouTube, and they made the foolish promise to their audience that Alt-Hero can not work and that they defeated the Dark Lord. If they dare admit they lied, then all those future livestream superchats and IndyGoGo campaigns are forfeit.

I can't wait to see 2VS back on artist's alley...scrounging for commissions again.

Blogger Bogey September 22, 2018 2:07 AM  

Stopped watching his videos some time ago, that phony laugh was getting under my skin, and his critique of the art in some of his reviews was just cringy.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira September 22, 2018 2:11 AM  

Won't be long until we legalise cuck hunting (overpopulation of their species)

Blogger S. Thermite September 22, 2018 2:26 AM  

Won't be long until we legalise cuck hunting

Better be a year-round hunting permit. If it’s contingent on a mating season they’ll have permanent protected status...

Blogger Jon D. September 22, 2018 2:36 AM  

To quote the great Stan Lee, 'nuff said.

https://twitter.com/jondelarroz/status/1043383151123357703

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 22, 2018 2:45 AM  

FUBARwest wrote:Do they think that by pretending it doesnt exist that makes it so? Or the Amazon beat seller list isn't a thing? It is really strange.
In their world, REAL comix are only purchased in comic book stores. If it's not in the rapidly failing and soon to be bankrupt comic book store, then it's not successful. Doesn't matter if you're putting out a new issue every week. doesn't matter if you're employing a dozen people full time. Doesn't matter how much you make from the comics. If it's not in their local store, it's a failure.


This despite the fact that their own efforts... are not going to be sold in comic book stores.

Blogger matveidaniilovich September 22, 2018 3:09 AM  

Centrists are more appalling to me than Far Leftists. It's always the man in the middle who needs to be "spewed out" of the mouth.

Blogger Looking Glass September 22, 2018 4:02 AM  

@39 matveidaniilovich

It's a Christian response-type.

Revelation 3:15-16 ESV

"I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth."

Jesus rejects the "can't we just all get along?" moderates.

"The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne." Rev 3:21 ESV. A pretty useful passage to remember.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion September 22, 2018 4:14 AM  

Pretty sure Barnes & Noble + Amazon are the writing on the wall for local comic shops. If there is anything left, Walmart will take the rest of the air.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion September 22, 2018 4:18 AM  

So "basically" = "didn't"

Blogger VD September 22, 2018 5:02 AM  

Vox try to co-op the Comicsgate label

False.

and within an hour we had united to denounce him.

True, if he's counting from the BIC piece. False if he's counting from when I spoke to TVS about it.

He basically left with his tail between his legs

False.

and hasn't come back for another attempt.

More true than he knows.

Blogger pdwalker September 22, 2018 5:29 AM  

And this is why envy is the worst of the sins

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 22, 2018 6:21 AM  

Simple projection? As usual.

Blogger VFM #4388 September 22, 2018 6:32 AM  

and hasn't come back for another attempt.

More true than he knows.


Go ahead. Shoot at the only people who would have your back through thick and thin to appease people who will never, ever be appeased.

Irk the Dark Lord into unleashing his hounds. I double dog dare ya.

Blogger Avalanche September 22, 2018 7:44 AM  

@3 "EVS is a loser. 20+ years in the business, and he has no power. SAD!"

2VS has 20+ years in the business, and he has neither wisdom nor experience. Unstable, non-genius. OOPS!

Blogger Avalanche September 22, 2018 7:55 AM  

@18 "It's always a tough call weighing whether or not to welcome a recent victim into a dissident group. Without a robust background check, there's a non-trivial likelihood they'll be more damaging than the actual SJWs."

This is an ongoing/historical problem for the Right (of nearly any level or flavor). Because 'we' are outcasts, swimming against a destructive tide, we tend to accept into our midst folks who are ALSO outcasts - but they are often outcasts because they're nuts, or stupidly violent (or rabid about some idiot thing), or just plain too broken to control themselves in order to do the work. But the Right hangs to to them, allows them to keep coming to functions and meetings.

The Right 'insists' they can't throw the Alt Retards out of a 'save-the-statues' protest or not allow the news (and porn stars) into what should be a private gathering. (And no, I do NOT consider Spencer to be one of ours -- but a LOT of good serious folks on the Right fell for his camouflage... they had to get deeply burned before waking up to him!)

Instead of requiring proof one is fit to join our army, 'we' have historically allowed in anyone who wandered by -- and then took the hits when they turned out to be misfits, broken beyond repair, or enemies.

I think it goes along with a dedication to civility and 'don't call me racist.' The too-lenient Righters would FEEL bad if it was done to them, so they don't / won't / can't do it to even those clearly damaging to our goals. If you are trying to "always be nice" (ooh, echoes of Gaggle's motto), then you may not be fit for our army either!

Blogger Avalanche September 22, 2018 7:57 AM  

@20 "And afterwards when he got mocked and rejected anyways, he went online and started pushing the "well, I don't care about your opinion" meme."

These boys need to eat more MEAT! Stop with the veg... OH! That's what soyboy means, isn't it?! Got it!

Blogger Matthew September 22, 2018 8:23 AM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:Oh, and another thing, when is the print edition of Avalon #2 going to be available? Oh wait, I got another thing... is there a print edition of "Mutiny in Space"?

We're currently working on both of these.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 22, 2018 8:25 AM  

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Blogger Longtime Lurker September 22, 2018 8:28 AM  

ALL CAPS Comics - Learning the Hard Way since 2018.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 22, 2018 8:29 AM  

And he announces that he's going through the abusive distributor.

Distributors have had such a controlling (and in a BAD way) influence on new titles coming out, that even an early issue (number < 10) discussed the situation in the "Mad Mumblings" column. ("Mad Mumblings" was mostly letters to the editor, with occasional brief replies/comments, but this time, much of it was devoted to telling fans exactly what to do to get MAD distributed to more news-stands)

Blogger Arthur Tintagel September 22, 2018 8:42 AM  

Centrists are basically the cuckservatives of the left.

Blogger Dave September 22, 2018 8:53 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:And he announces that he's going through the abusive distributor.

Another case of his actions speak louder than words. So much concern expressed over helping local comic shops, except when it comes to lining his pockets.

Blogger Cloom Glue September 22, 2018 9:17 AM  

CAPS meant Comic Artist Pro Secrets but the acronym means something else when you emphasis the word caps by calling it "all caps". It will be an inside joke that is obscure to customers.

The Linux people here remember the self-referencing acronym: GNU. I forgot it meant GNU's Not UNIX and I only remembered it was a self reference acronym.

All Caps will become AC, an acronym of an acronym, also obscure.

I think acronym cleverness is not effective for helping customers remember the company's product or service category. For example, Comicsgate was better because it had comics in it and it was short.

Blogger Cloom Glue September 22, 2018 9:35 AM  

Oh. It is All Caps Comics. Soon to be ACC, not AC. I missed a letter.

Blogger tuberman September 22, 2018 9:53 AM  

2VS and his Comicgatekeeper troops are getting down right humorous. They are determined to make every mistake possible, then ignore the results, until they can't.

Just Leftists, who cannot go all-in, so they were thrown out.

Blogger mushroom September 22, 2018 9:54 AM  

I am a supporter of both Arkhaven and D&C. Arkhaven has the long-term, real business potential with multiple pros. Meyer is a vet and a fan with enthusiasm that will do a comic every now and then. His goal seems to be simply encouraging DC and Marvel to return to creating comics like the ones he read in his youth. It's like the longing of conservatives for a return to the '50s. While I appreciate that, I also know it isn't going to happen.

Blogger Steb September 22, 2018 9:59 AM  

"These creators are getting robbed by their customers. No second printings, lest it diminish collector value. But the creators don't get any percentage on collector sales"

My guess is that collectors will be disappointed. If there aren't any reprints then the IPs are doomed to be forgotten. A limited edition Superman is worth money because of all the other mass market editions that made it famous.

Blogger VD September 22, 2018 10:10 AM  

His goal seems to be simply encouraging DC and Marvel to return to creating comics like the ones he read in his youth.

The irony, of course, is that we are the only publisher who is at all interested in doing that. Marvel and DC will NEVER return to what they were doing before for the obvious reason that they are no longer owned by the same people who owned them during that time.

Instead, he foolishly attacks us while virtue-signaling to absolutely no avail. It's impressively stupid from a strategic perspective.

Blogger tuberman September 22, 2018 10:10 AM  

"My guess is that collectors will be disappointed. If there aren't any reprints then the IPs are doomed to be forgotten. A limited edition Superman is worth money because of all the other mass market editions that made it famous."

Exactly right, and his efforts will be forgotten, plus many of his fans will end up hating 2VS.

Blogger VD September 22, 2018 10:12 AM  

They are determined to make every mistake possible.

Someone should be sure to tell 2VS that if he prints a really large print run, he'll make more profit on each and every unit sold and will MAKE MORE MONEY!

Blogger jSinSaTx September 22, 2018 10:48 AM  

Did Cernovich put a book out with Castalia I missed? Last I recall he was an editor at large or something, but it rarely comes up. Would be nice if he signal boosted Arkhaven a bit given how silent most of media is.

Blogger Randomatos September 22, 2018 11:42 AM  

Have you seen our comrade Wright's takedown? Glorious. Not as savage as E;R on youtube, but far more erudite.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums September 22, 2018 11:43 AM  

If 2VS is at all business savvy he would stay away from D&C as far as possible. His channel got noticed because he got into SJW drama. This is now his business model. Each time he needs more followers or is doing something he would invariably get into more drama. If a parallel is to be drawn he's the MundaneMatt of ComicsGate (TM) and we all know what happened to MundaneMatt.

2VS is actually really good at the YT game. His business model is making fun of Star Wars and judging by the looks of it he will never run out of material. His Star Wars vids get over 2x the views of his ComicsGate (TM) vids.

The more serious he gets about YT the more he will find himself making SW vids.
The more SW vids he makes the less time he will have for working on anything comics-related.
The more SW vids he makes the more his YT channel will grow, and the more his channels grows the larger his SW interested audience grows.
Once a youtuber, no matter how big, decides to deviate from the formula that brought him success they will crash and burn. This has happened countless times before, it's the natural evolution of a YT channel.

2VS is not only ignoring all the advice he's getting from the GG crowd, he's also intent on making his channel a Star Wars channel. This is fine but he should not be surprised to find out that his core audience cares more about Obi Wan than Cyberfrog.


TL;DR version: A YT channel is a zero-sum game, it's either Star Wars of comics-stuff. If 2VS chooses Star Wars he will fail at comics.

Blogger Lance E September 22, 2018 11:46 AM  

@48

Maybe after witnessing episodes like the CG/2VS fiasco, more bystanders will absorb the essential lesson: don't go down-market. No matter how constricted the supply, you're better off in the long run being the premium brand. And Walmart refusing to carry a brand does not automatically make it premium.

It's certainly been educational for me. I thought the alt-retard was just a political fringe, but seeing the parallels with 2VS has convinced me that the politics are secondary. Some people just have no self-control and can't learn from their mistakes.

Imagine you're the boss of one of these losers. You want to fire them, but you know they'll throw a massive tantrum, file lawsuits, etc. They get themselves targeted by the SJW mob. Do you (a) step in to save their ass, or (b) throw them under the bus? I'm not so sure I wouldn't choose (b).

Blogger SirHamster September 22, 2018 12:10 PM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:One more thing.... You guys might wanna slightly alter the packaging of the graphic novels. I'm completely satisfied with the "Gun Ghoul" graphic novel however, one of the corners and several pages were bent. Could be a packaging issue. Check that out.

Experienced the same. Gun Ghoul's sacrifice saved the other items in the shipment from damage.

It's probably their choice of packaging for small orders. There's not much padding for the stuff inside. However many items it takes to get an actual box, that probably won't get dropped on its corner in a way that affects the contents.

Blogger pdwalker September 22, 2018 12:17 PM  

@63 VD wrote:They are determined to make every mistake possible.

Someone should be sure to tell 2VS that if he prints a really large print run, he'll make more profit on each and every unit sold and will MAKE MORE MONEY!


The Dark Lord is generous with his humour and insightful observations.

Blogger Cloom Glue September 22, 2018 12:26 PM  

@66 I notice the youtube drama audiences are huge. Metokur had 27,000 on a live stream a week ago countering a SargonOfA drama-point; point/counter-point.

The money getting thrown at comics for those types of channels is not for the comics. It is for drama and sustaining a broadcast, political message or religious message, et cetera, like a donation.

Then bashing Star Wars does sell comics. Drama bashing alt-right tickled that audience too, a few weeks ago. I think it is not sustainable because the product is EVS, not comics, and adding pro artists will divert the revenue, not grow the revenue if the product is video drama, not comics, especially if the drama point becomes unfashionable, or becomes boring, like a restaurant has a life cycle.

Blogger Lance E September 22, 2018 12:45 PM  

In what way does one have a "publishing company" if one only publishes oneself, and doesn't have anything to publish?

This is embarrassing. It's like watching some guy take a bunch of Kickstarter money to develop an indie game, get called out for accomplishing nothing after 8 months and attacking other successful indie groups, and then shouting "Oh yeah? Well, I'm starting my very own game publisher! We're gonna be bigger than those stupid indies, we're gonna be bigger than EA and Activision! Just you watch!"

Dude... you haven't done anything. You don't know anything. You don't have any experience. You can't even manage to finish your own comic, never mind anyone else's. How can one man be capable of so much fail?

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums September 22, 2018 12:55 PM  

@70

I agree completely, drama is drama and comics are comics. It's different audiences. Mix at your own peril.

Metokur is a genius, though. His channel has been providing the same type of content since he went on YT. But when he wants to do something else he does it on other people's channels. He doesn't taint (so to speak) his channel with different content, he taints other people's channels. Now it's gotten to the point where his audience is comprised of people who are fans of Jim not just fans of Jim's videos. He's here to stay no matter what he does. 2VS is different, for him it's either Star Wars or comics.

Blogger Cloom Glue September 22, 2018 1:30 PM  

@72 yes, Metokur. His channel description is:

Glad I could help

haha He has a theme there.

Blogger Cloom Glue September 22, 2018 1:54 PM  

I remember the proof for my assertion @70.

This youtube channel got a DeWalt sponsor and sales of his home project plans declined. Why would that happen? People were not interested in buying his plans, for plans. They were buying his product, which are plans, as a donation and when they saw he had a sponsor giving him money, they stopped donating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SToyIb9tNiY

Blogger Mega-Buster Shepard September 22, 2018 2:44 PM  

They are more interested in being t shirt merchants and e celebs then they are putting out a product.

Blogger The Bechtloff September 22, 2018 3:48 PM  

It's amazing how much Comicsgate insists on making every single mistake gamergate did. Including throwing right wing allies under the bus.

Blogger James Dixon September 22, 2018 4:03 PM  

> 37. Jon D.

Jon, have you gotten the malware block issue straightened out with your site? I tried posting the email address to contact three times, but it never gave me any indication it took my comments.

> Dude... you haven't done anything. You don't know anything. You don't have any experience. You can't even manage to finish your own comic, never mind anyone else's.

And the one thing he might be competent to do, finishing the comics, he'll never really be successful at because he's too busy taking care of the rest of the process. When if he had been honest and upfront, there was a working publisher with an established base ready to help him out.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 22, 2018 6:21 PM  

mushroom wrote:Meyer is a vet and a fan with enthusiasm that will do a comic every now and then. His goal seems to be simply encouraging DC and Marvel to return to creating comics like the ones he read in his youth. It's like the longing of conservatives for a return to the '50s. While I appreciate that, I also know it isn't going to happen.
That's nice and all, but he could do it without trying to tear down the singular comic publisher that is challenging Marvel. Market discipline requires competitors, not complainants.

Blogger K G September 22, 2018 6:44 PM  

These are the pall bearers of the former industry. What chance do they have creating a new one? They all participated in the decay and downfall of the former big two, and now they want consumers’ trust that they won’t do the same thing again?

Blogger Matthew September 22, 2018 7:52 PM  

James Dixon wrote:And the one thing he might be competent to do, finishing the comics, he'll never really be successful at because he's too busy taking care of the rest of the process. When if he had been honest and upfront, there was a working publisher with an established base ready to help him out.

That may actually be the sticking point. He probably fears accountability.

Blogger mushroom September 22, 2018 8:56 PM  

I agree. Meyer being an enemy makes no more sense than the Never-Trumpers.

Blogger Taqiyyotomist September 23, 2018 12:21 AM  

#11 Yep.

Does this person think his sworn enemy is going to LIKE HIM NOW?

Stomach-turning, indeed. The only thing that Vox would ever say "Don't ever do that" about, he did.

It's hard to believe, but that actually happened.

Blogger Roger G2 September 23, 2018 1:21 PM  

Just lost what scant respect I had for D&C/EVS when I saw the tweet.
Two-Face is a perfectly apt name.
What's the idea, crapping on others’ success?
Do these guys think Castalia House only started publishing and it’s only for comics?

Blogger Mark Seifert September 26, 2018 8:34 PM  

VD wrote:His goal seems to be simply encouraging DC and Marvel to return to creating comics like the ones he read in his youth.

Marvel and DC will NEVER return to what they were doing before for the obvious reason that they are no longer owned by the same people who owned them during that time.


It's not really about ownership.

In D&C's earlier days, Marvel would've been owned by corporate raider Ronald Perelman, whose MO was to buy and flip companies. He didn't know anything about comics (and being fair, he bought in at a market peak that then headed down), and it showed.

The best-known EiC from that era would've been Bob Harras, who is pretty well regarded overall. Along with some old-school group editors like Tom DeFalco and Mark Gruenwald.

DC would've been owned by WB still, throughout that period. The person who had the most operational control at DC throughout that period would've been Paul Levitz -- again, someone who was there for a very long time.

Best comics publisher ownership conspiracy theory: After the dude that original founder Martin Goodman sold Marvel to in the late 60s got tired of being such a screw-up, Marvel's corporate shell was... for a very brief time... acquired by a company called General Aniline and Film, which up until the mid-60s was wholly owned and operated by the United States government, due to us having seized the company during WW2 for having Nazi ties. The govt finally let the corp go public in the mid-60s, much to the delight of Wall Street, because GAF has a shock and awe portfolio of chemical-related patents. But there was not a significant change in management for a few years after the govt sold it, which makes you go hm, if you happen to be conspiracy minded.

Anyway -- fundamentally, if you like comics from that period, it's because EiCs and group editors tended to be people who'd been around the companies for a very long time, which led to some brand consistency, in a sense. Many of the 80s/90s group editors were writers who'd been around for a long time prior.

There's something here which I'd consider an economic trend rather than directly a political trend -- after that period, people changed jobs more often (in comics, anyway) as a general trend, and if you were trying to get a start in the industry at that time, there was all sorts of industry-specific knowledge that was very tough to come by. The situations where you could essentially learn as an apprentice or in a studio were much less common than they were in the 40s - early 70s.

That's going to lead to unpredictable results, both good and bad, and perhaps people hitting the bigtime before they've got enough experience.

Rise of the internet solved some of those problems in more recent times. There's a lot of info about page spec, color, etc, etc that is readily available now that was much harder to come by 20 years ago.

(but I'm a lefty, so I might be lying)

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