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Thursday, September 13, 2018

Peter Grant clarifies

Peter Grant responds to critics and comments concerning his original post on the existential threat posed by identity politics:
Our society is built around the concept of a nation state as the focus of our loyalties, embodying our families, our tribes and our communities into a higher order of commitment.  As former President Theodore Roosevelt famously said in a 1915 speech:

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all. This is just as true of the man who puts ‘native’ before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance. But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as anyone else.

The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic. The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart allegiance, the better it will be for every good American. There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.

If you believe in the concept of a specifically American nation, it's hard to disagree with him.

The concept of a "tribe" can be inimical to this national identity.  If one places more pride in being a socialist or communist or capitalist or Democrat or Republican, or a Christian or Muslim or Jew or Buddhist or Hindu, or a citizen of Texas or California or Vermont or Wyoming or Alaska, than one does in being an American, then one's loyalty to one's country is necessarily affected or influenced by the extent to which one identifies with that primary personal identity.  If the group(s) to which one belongs place similar emphasis on being this, or that, or the other, before being American, the same problem arises.

The trouble is, such divided loyalties end up weakening everybody - ourselves, our tribes, our communities, and our nation.
No doubt that is true. But the problem with Peter's thinking is that loyalty to an artificially constructed "nation-state" can be manufactured simply by everyone of goodwill electing to pretend that they are all part of the same nation. Even after centuries of being unified under a single British crown, the Scots voted for independence - it was the votes of the non-Scots resident in Scotland that caused the "Scottish" independence vote to fail.

And even Teddy Roosevelt himself said that "there ought to be no room" in the country for those who do not consider themselves to be Americans and nothing else. That means forcibly deporting most of the post-1965 immigrants, all of the Jews, and all of the African-Americans, just for starters. And that's a more extreme position than that espoused by the average member of the Alt-Right. I very much doubt most of the civic nationalists who cite Roosevelt's stirring rhetoric realize precisely what it is they are implicitly endorsing.

The rise of 4GW has broken the state's monopoly on violence. Once nukes or other weapons of mass destruction are accessible to non-state actors, that will break the state's monopoly on political legitimacy as well, because there will be strength without the numbers provided by unity.

And like nukes, identity politics are not going to disappear simply because some people happen to find them distasteful. Identity politics are not a Marxist plot or a "right-wing SJW" tactic, they are nothing less than the political environment in which Americans now find themselves due to their foolish and ruinous immigration policies of the last 53 years.

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Blogger Amy September 13, 2018 5:55 AM  

Of all the little things I figured I would have learned at some point, I was flummoxed when I learned that there are senators and congressmen with dual citizenship! How can that be? I would have thought it illegal. It’s definitely immoral (oh wait...)

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 13, 2018 5:56 AM  

*Extremism intensifies.*

Blogger Stilicho September 13, 2018 6:02 AM  

European immigrants are generally capable enough of intermarriage with Americans to integrate into a single nation (although that nation is/will be significantly different than the original). And we are too far gone down that path to avoid those changes. Non-European immigrants are not acceptable to Europeans for marriage in sufficiently large numbers to integrate in that fashion, so there will be no meaningful integration and they cannot ever be a part of the American nation outside of a few outliers (but even those will experience a reversion to the mean if their children don't intermarry with Americans). So the 35 million or so Africans will have their own nation (they already do in one sense, but they will need a land of their own if they are to survive). Ditto for those among the 50 million or so "hispanics" who don't intermarry and become Americans. There will be war. Only the details remain to be worked out. A South African ought to realize that no amount of money, education, good intentions, wishful thinking, or pixie dust will make an African anything other than an African or ever make him resemble a European in any meaningful way. They are different. Aceept it.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( Heterosexuals Live Life On The Easiest Reproductive Setting ... which means that the entire world will be OPPRESSIVE until the Law requires everyone to have a sex change ) September 13, 2018 6:50 AM  

VD
That means forcibly deporting most of the post-1965 immigrants, all of the Jews, and all of the African-Americans, just for starters.



it also means the forcible deportation of every hyphenated American who espouses political or philosophical positions which are inimical to the Constitution.

ie - Marxists, Anarchists, National Socialists, et al.

which points to the true salient failure in Teddy's speech;
Teddy's required expulsions would only work for the people who are HONEST enough to tell us that they aren't Americans.

what of those, such as Ethel Rosenberg, who are intentionally trying to deceive us as to where their loyalties lie?

what of those, such as Sarah Hoyt, who are so dumb that they will claim to be "more American" than the vast majority of Natural Born Americans
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and at the same time that she's adopting a position which is in direct contradiction of the US Constitution? she may 'honestly' believe herself to be 'more' American. but the fact is that she constantly demonstrates the Falseness of her own assertion.

Blogger English Tom September 13, 2018 6:50 AM  

@Stilicho

They are different. Accept it.

But, but diversity is our strength!

Blogger Doug Walker September 13, 2018 6:51 AM  

This just confirms my Wal-Mart rule: whatever else I go there to buy, I always add a box of ammo.

Blogger McChuck September 13, 2018 7:26 AM  

There are only about 120-140 million Americans. The rest are Jews, blacks, other foreigners, and Leftist whites.

Blogger McChuck September 13, 2018 7:30 AM  

@4 Bob - To be fair, Sarah Hoyt is more American than about half the people living here. That is probably really confusing to somebody not from America.

Blogger Sherwood family September 13, 2018 7:35 AM  

Not too many years ago I was a civic nationalist kind of guy. As far as I could tell the melting pot more or less worked and that failure to assimilate more recent groups was just more due to their size and recentness. Figured everyone would more or less get with the program. I didn't believe in cabals of people hellbent on unmaking my country for their benefit. I was always conservative and didn't like a lot of the social changes taking place but did not make the connection somehow that culture is downstream from demographics.

Now...I cannot unsee what I have seen. My place of work has been uniquely instructive. I have learned a whole lot. About how some groups are more equal than others. About nepotistic practices. About separation of church and state for "thee but not for me." About personnel from some groups that cannot be gotten rid of no matter how disastrous they are because they have too many pokemon points. Etc.

Waking up to all of this was totally depressing. But the world makes much more sense as things fall apart.

Blogger Stilicho September 13, 2018 7:49 AM  

@Sherwood, have you also found that your church's famous mission work creates co-religionists, but that they do not become "just like us" by virtue of conversion? If so, please tell Mitt to stfu.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 13, 2018 8:04 AM  

And I'll bet a good dollar like all those civnats if he quoted TR there to any of his "American" friends they would call him "racist" and that would be that.

There will be no Civnat revival with the word "racist" allowed. We could probably invent a shortcut to save us the trouble of taking the time to evaluate a civnat type just by asking how much AUTHORITY they place in the word "racist."

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 13, 2018 8:05 AM  

Peter, that is a well written introduction to an essay on the need for an American Inquisition, to root out the hyphenated Americans. Civ Nat requires an inquisition. If we are to be Civ Nat, we must have an Inquisition. Finish writing that essay.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 13, 2018 8:09 AM  

Root 'em out, then route 'em out.

Blogger marco moltisanti September 13, 2018 8:10 AM  

@9 "Waking up to all of this was totally depressing. But the world makes much more sense as things fall apart."

Well said. Until recently I was dumb enough to try to debate traitorous leftist whites about Trump and mass third-world immigration. I remember one particular man-boobed little chubby guy who accused me of "believing what I want to believe." As if his magic dirt/we're all the same under the skin fantasies weren't far more pleasant than the painful reality that I've come to see and accept through a combination of the writings of Vox and Heartiste and having actually lived in the third world myself for a few years.

Blogger Robert What? September 13, 2018 8:14 AM  

@Vox, why specifically all of the Jews and all of the Africans versus other ethnicities post 1965?

Blogger VD September 13, 2018 8:21 AM  

why specifically all of the Jews and all of the Africans versus other ethnicities post 1965?

Because Jewish-Not-Americans and African-Not-Americans are far and away the worst offenders with regards their absolute refusal to assimilate and become unhyphenated Americans. Jews openly describe assimilation as "a silent Holocaust" and Africans overtly reject even the use of American-style names.

The two groups are also the most visible in actively waging war against American history and American cultural traditions in their own perceived interests.

I have no problem with either group protecting its own identity. But they're not Martians, they're not fish, and they're not Americans. And pretending otherwise isn't fooling anyone anymore.

Blogger VD September 13, 2018 8:22 AM  

I remember one particular man-boobed little chubby guy who accused me of "believing what I want to believe."

Third Rule of SJW: SJWs Always Project.

Blogger CarpeOro September 13, 2018 8:23 AM  

You know, the older I get the less I like the first Roosevelt. Many of the things he pushed for as a "nationalist" were pernicious to liberty. Anti-monopoly legislation for instance (true monopolies are those enforced by the government). I am also more suspicious of anything being touted because it is "progressive", and the party he joined to run against Taft embodied that, and not just in name. Quoting TR no longer engenders positive feelings for me the more experience I have with life.

To be honest, my inclination is civic-nationalist. Peter's stance embodies the failings I find with the position today and help to chip away more at my inclination.

Blogger Sherwood family September 13, 2018 8:35 AM  

No one wants Mitt to disappear as much as I do. 2012 was his election to win but he was too gutless to take it. He should have crushed Obama in the second debate but choked and didn't stop choking. At any rate, we dodged a bullet because he's obviously proved himself unfit to preside.

As to co-religionists: they are certainly not transmuted into Americans based on conversion nor should anyone expect them to be. And bringing them to the United States is against the council and practice of the church since the early 20th Century. When I was a missionary in eastern Ukraine we were instructed to tell our converts to remain in their own nation.

Blogger dienw September 13, 2018 8:36 AM  

Amy wrote:Of all the little things I figured I would have learned at some point, I was flummoxed when I learned that there are senators and congressmen with dual citizenship! How can that be? I would have thought it illegal. It’s definitely immoral (oh wait...)

You can thank Lyndon John and his Supreme Court appointee (((Abe Fortas))) who was the swing vote for the Jews.

Blogger James Dixon September 13, 2018 8:50 AM  

> If one places more pride in being a socialist or communist or capitalist or Democrat or Republican, or a Christian or Muslim or Jew or Buddhist or Hindu,

And yet all Christians are called to do so. In fact, all religions I can think of offhand have a greater calling than the state.

> ... or a citizen of Texas or California or Vermont or Wyoming or Alaska, than one does in being an American,

Peter apparently doesn't know that historically this was exactly the case. You were primarily a citizen of your state, not of the United States.

Blogger Sherwood family September 13, 2018 8:53 AM  

Loyalty to his state was why Robert E. Lee declined Lincoln's request to serve as the commander of Union forces and why he followed his home state of Virginia out of the Union.

Blogger Andrew Brown September 13, 2018 8:57 AM  

The non-Scots include those who support and believe in Rangers football club. Might seem odd because the club is meant to be a Scottish club. But these people, although most are white, native Scots, their allegiance is to the British crown and not to the nation of Scotland.

Blogger pyrrhus September 13, 2018 8:58 AM  

Before the Civil War, the primary loyalty of most Americans was to their State and extended family, not to the USA...or there wouldn't have been a conflict. So Grant's hypothesized allegiance to the Nation-State didn't exist even in a relatively homogeneous America....Only people born west of the Hajnal line have this delusion, and obviously not many of them either.

Blogger Sherwood family September 13, 2018 8:59 AM  

The various American colonies were founded by different stock and with a different ethos in almost all cases. Anyone want to argue that Maryland and South Carolina were the same? How about Pennsylvania and Massachussets?

Blogger dienw September 13, 2018 9:02 AM  

You were primarily a citizen of your state, not of the United States.

Therein lies the true nature of the RealID/License: with it you are effectually switching your citizenship from your state to the corporate state of Washington DC; a city-state of which the fifty states are but colonies.

Blogger pyrrhus September 13, 2018 9:02 AM  

@18 Teddy's egomaniana in 1912 elected the horrible Woodrow Wilson ....That's enough for me.

Blogger pyrrhus September 13, 2018 9:07 AM  

@ 25 'Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America, goes into this in detail. JayMan and other researchers have broken North America into a dozen predominant ethnicities.

Blogger Sherwood family September 13, 2018 9:09 AM  

pyrrhus, you took the words right out of my mouth. Fisher's book is a useful one for understanding were we come from.

Blogger Lovekraft September 13, 2018 9:18 AM  

In the case of Canada, as well as numerous other western nations, that have been subjected to the multicult orthodoxy, there is no identity at all. So what's the alternative if we cannot look back to connections with our 'homelands'?

Blogger James Dixon September 13, 2018 9:42 AM  

> Once nukes or other weapons of mass destruction are accessible to non-state actors...

Speaking of: http://www.the-odin.com/diy-crispr-kit/

Blogger Sam September 13, 2018 9:47 AM  

CarpeOro wrote:You know, the older I get the less I like the first Roosevelt. Many of the things he pushed for as a "nationalist" were pernicious to liberty. Anti-monopoly legislation for instance (true monopolies are those enforced by the government). I am also more suspicious of anything being touted because it is "progressive", and the party he joined to run against Taft embodied that, and not just in name. Quoting TR no longer engenders positive feelings for me the more experience I have with life.

To be honest, my inclination is civic-nationalist. Peter's stance embodies the failings I find with the position today and help to chip away more at my inclination.


Progressives then were the same as today. The campaign against civil service corruption is especially farcical. The problem- politicians can hire and fire civil servants at will so lets make it so they run themselves and are 'above' politics. You won't be surprised this gradually lead to a progressive takeover of the civil service followed by a massive increase in government spending down the line. Got to loot the nation to reward the loyal foot soldiers.

Lovekraft wrote:In the case of Canada, as well as numerous other western nations, that have been subjected to the multicult orthodoxy, there is no identity at all. So what's the alternative if we cannot look back to connections with our 'homelands'?

Old books, rural areas that are hunkering low and Jesus. There are also plenty of films and records before the level of insanity got so crazy- back in the 1950s Hollywood concentrated on making money not slinging poz.

Blogger Crush Limbraw September 13, 2018 9:48 AM  

Exactly- "..go and make disciples of all nations....."

Blogger ZotZotDig September 13, 2018 9:56 AM  

"That means forcibly deporting most of the post-1965 immigrants, all of the Jews, and all of the African-Americans, just for starters."

I don't know if it's understood this simply isn't a possibility. It should be. It's a bad idea to give people hope. The alternative is to better control regional politics

Blogger Blaidd September 13, 2018 10:02 AM  

then one's loyalty to one's country is necessarily affected or influenced by the extent to which one identifies with that primary personal identity.

The United States is not a country, it's a government.

Blogger VD September 13, 2018 10:05 AM  

I don't know if it's understood this simply isn't a possibility.

It's not merely a possibility, it is far more likely than the continued status quo. But it's not the most likely possibility.

Blogger Blaidd September 13, 2018 10:07 AM  

ZotZotDig wrote:I don't know if it's understood this simply isn't a possibility.

Of course it's a possibility. Similar feats have been accomplished in times when there was no mass transit. It'll be even easier with the use of jetliners and passenger ships.

Blogger Avalanche September 13, 2018 10:12 AM  

@7 "There are only about 120-140 million Americans. The rest are Jews, blacks, other foreigners, and Leftist whites."

Well, once they're all gone, the North American continent will be a lovely place to live, won't it? Well, excluding Canada unless they wake up and act too.

Blogger ZotZotDig September 13, 2018 10:12 AM  

"Of course it's a possibility. Similar feats have been accomplished in times when there was no mass transit. It'll be even easier with the use of jetliners and passenger ships."

I'm not saying it isn't logistically possible. That would be the easy part.

The impossible part is convincing even a tiny fraction of Americans that deporting all blacks, jews, etc is anything other than an Alt History Novel. It's not in the character of any Americans save a very tiny percentage. Furthermore, the politics of such a plan are so unprecedented and so impossible under current or foreseeable circumstances that the plan turns out to be fantasy.

Blogger Loyd Jenkins September 13, 2018 10:21 AM  

When I read Peter's post, I wondered what your take would be. Thank you for addressing it.

Your comment and the comments above make me realize that I don't know how you define an American. Can you tell me, or point me in a direction?

Not wanting to troll, trying to understand. I am off to study what civic nationalism is.

Blogger Blaidd September 13, 2018 10:26 AM  

"It's not in the character of any Americans save a very tiny percentage."

People's character has a way of vastly changing in difficult times. If the deportations of 100 million people is the course the American people settle on, the politics of the plan won't matter.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 13, 2018 10:39 AM  

Would you say that hanging accused criminals without a fair trail is in the character of Americans?
Perhaps you've bought into the "That's not who we are." bullshit.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 13, 2018 10:40 AM  

James Dixon wrote:> If one places more pride in being a socialist or communist or capitalist or Democrat or Republican, or a Christian or Muslim or Jew or Buddhist or Hindu,

And yet all Christians are called to do so. In fact, all religions I can think of offhand have a greater calling than the state.


Roosevelt was no Christian, except in a cultural sense.

Blaidd wrote:The United States is not a country, it's a government.

That's it, in a nutshell.

Because I'm American 1.0, I'm Alaskan, not USian. It's where I was raised, it's where I'm comfortable, and enough of the people here are of Southern or Appalachian extraction.

CarpeOro wrote:To be honest, my inclination is civic-nationalist. Peter's stance embodies the failings I find with the position today and help to chip away more at my inclination.

I like some non-Americans. I even imported a Han wife. That is what taught me that Civ Nat is never going to work. She will always be Chinese, and will never be American, despite citizenship, despite having become a born-again believer, despite no longer considering the Old Country home. It would be nice if magic dirt was real, but it's not.

She has helped me to raise our children as Americans. My son recently ran into someone who was 1/4 Korean, a third generation immigrant, I gather. My son said it was funny that the quarter-gook identifies as Korean, while my half-chink son and his siblings know they are American. I told him I took care to make it that way.

Vox, if you can write on the subject without violating your family's privacy, your experience of raising children in a foreign country might be helpful to many, and interesting to many more.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 13, 2018 10:43 AM  

ZotZotDig wrote:The impossible part is convincing even a tiny fraction of Americans that deporting all blacks, jews, etc is anything other than an Alt History Novel. It's not in the character of any Americans save a very tiny percentage. Furthermore, the politics of such a plan are so unprecedented and so impossible under current or foreseeable circumstances that the plan turns out to be fantasy.

That's just not who we are. Until, suddenly, it is. People go along to get along. When deportation is how you get along, everyone will go along.

Popular delusions and the madness of crowds aren't permanent. Look at Kosovo.

Blogger John Regan September 13, 2018 10:47 AM  

NYT as usual is gloating:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/13/us/census-foreign-population.html?nl=top-stories&nlid=62289987ries&ref=headline

Blogger ZotZotDig September 13, 2018 10:57 AM  

"People's character has a way of vastly changing in difficult times. If the deportations of 100 million people is the course the American people settle on, the politics of the plan won't matter."

You are begging the question. It's only through politics that the American people decide on a course of action, so the politics of the plan clearly do matter.

Someone above suggested that all it would take is a crisis of some sort. A military crisis won't precipitate such a thing. That sort of thing tends to rally the country. We've had a few constitutional crises, but never once did they turn into anything like an ethno-crisis/war. And even during the most recent economic crisis of monumental size (The Depression) there was no such inclination or serious move to remove anyone from the country.

My thought is that when plans like this are floated it's the result of the floaters realizing that there is no hope for the project to come into fruition, so they avoid the theoretical mechanics of the idea and simply land on, "Well, what if it happens...it could...just because it hasn't doesn't mean..."

I think it portrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the country, its politics, its history and its people. It also demonstrates that there is no serious effort to address current issues of pretty great importance.

Blogger Major Styles September 13, 2018 10:58 AM  

I just read the excerpt from Henry Ford on the Jewish destruction of Tammany Hall (from his book "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem). The section clearly shows how Jews have been altering America's immigration policies for longer than we surmise: i.e. since the late 1800s, according to Ford.

Blogger Hammerli280 September 13, 2018 11:02 AM  

Part of the issue is that civic nationalism requires a creed - and not just "I want American dollars". It requires the creation and maintenance of a common culture and civic mythos. Common heroes - including a willingness to acknowledge former enemies you absorbed as worthy and honorable opponents.

A serious effort was made after the Civil War to create such a culture, but it was turned off after about 1970. I'm old enough to remember the Bicentennial (which was a BIG deal), and have serious doubts that the 250th in 2026 will be one-half as big. Hell, the celebrations for the 125th of the Civil War were much bigger than the 150th. The Fake Americans don't relate.

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 13, 2018 11:30 AM  

So Peter's a civ-nat. Is this a surprise? Or any kind of clarification?

Blogger doctrev September 13, 2018 11:30 AM  

Lovekraft wrote:In the case of Canada, as well as numerous other western nations, that have been subjected to the multicult orthodoxy, there is no identity at all. So what's the alternative if we cannot look back to connections with our 'homelands'?

The Quebecois, for their myriad other flaws, have an extremely strong national identity. If Notley is withdrawing from cap and trade, I think Alberta will be okay. Newfoundland is an island surrounded by good fishing territory, the other Prairie provinces will do well under American rule.

Ontario and BC could go either way, but there is no national identity. Which means Canada will break apart shortly after someone puts pressure on it. Like the unimaginable circumstance of Canada -losing- jobs next to a red-hot American economy, followed by major auto tariffs.

If you don't know what your homeland is, things are looking very bad for you.

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 13, 2018 11:33 AM  

These damned American civ-nats and their endless projection! News flash fellas, there aren't many people like you actually out there. It's very much like libertarianism.

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 13, 2018 11:37 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Civ Nat requires an inquisition.

Yep. This is a talking point that needs to be pounded into their heads. It should be very persuasive, if they're willing to actually be honest with themselves and others. We'll see.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 13, 2018 11:49 AM  

"It could never happen here!" Magic Dirt I guess?

Newsflash Dirt Priests; Human history is all about getting run off and pushed down and beaten and if not overcoming then becoming archeological records.

Blogger VD September 13, 2018 11:50 AM  

I think it portrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the country, its politics, its history and its people. It also demonstrates that there is no serious effort to address current issues of pretty great importance.

I think you're a moron and a historical ignoramus. You're far too short for the ride here.

Blogger Cloom Glue September 13, 2018 12:01 PM  

And even during the most recent economic crisis of monumental size (The Depression) there was no such inclination or serious move to remove anyone from the country.

There was USA Operation Wetback, 1954.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Operation_Wetback

A Safer Space did an interview about that topic and the topic of NAZI Germany helping Jews move to Palestine.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Haavara_Agreement

The Haavara Agreement (Hebrew: הסכם העברה Translit.: heskem haavara Translated: "transfer agreement") was an agreement between Nazi Germany and Zionist German Jews signed on 25 August 1933. The agreement was finalized after three months of talks by the Zionist Federation of Germany, the Anglo-Palestine Bank (under the directive of the Jewish Agency) and the economic authorities of Nazi Germany. It was a major factor in making possible the migration of approximately 60,000 German Jews to Palestine in 1933–1939.


https://www.bitchute.com/video/CbsG9ymHE5k/

https://www.bitchute.com/channel/saferspace/

Blogger English Tom September 13, 2018 12:01 PM  

@ZotZotDig

It may be true at the moment that most Americans don't have the stomach for forcibly ejecting hyphenates. However, as we move further into the economic collapse and hearts get hardened, you will be amazed at what people are willing to do.

Remember what Robert Prechter said: "Mood change precedes and creates history."

Blogger James Dixon September 13, 2018 12:06 PM  

> The impossible part is convincing even a tiny fraction of Americans that deporting all blacks, jews, etc is anything other than an Alt History Novel.

A tiny fraction has already been convinced.

> Furthermore, the politics of such a plan are so unprecedented and so impossible under current or foreseeable circumstances that the plan turns out to be fantasy.

Really? https://infogalactic.com/info/Operation_Wetback

> It's only through politics that the American people decide on a course of action

You mistake cause and effect. The people decide, then the politics alter accordingly. Politics didn't give us Trump.

> A military crisis won't precipitate such a thing.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

Frankly, Vox is being kind to you in comment #54.



Blogger ZotZotDig September 13, 2018 12:15 PM  

"It may be true at the moment that most Americans don't have the stomach for forcibly ejecting hyphenates. However, as we move further into the economic collapse and hearts get hardened, you will be amazed at what people are willing to do."

I get it...The coming economic crisis will turn Americans into something they've never been.

I always look for precedent. Even just a hint of it in current, recent or ancient (relatively) history. There is none for deportation in the U.S.

Again, no one is willing to look at the mechanics of this kind of politics. If they did, they'd see there are none.

Blogger James Dixon September 13, 2018 12:22 PM  

> I get it...The coming economic crisis will turn Americans into something they've never been.

You have no idea what American have been or are capable of being. If we were the people you think we were the Civil War would never have happened.

> There is none for deportation in the U.S.

So you're just going to ignore the links from two people demonstrating otherwise. Like I said Vox was being kind.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 13, 2018 12:22 PM  

ZotZotDig wrote:blah blah blah

Dude, you're just whistling past the graveyard. Keep spouting that stuff - maybe you can convince yourself. It will at least keep you occupied until the deportation bandwagon starts to roll and you jump on board.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 13, 2018 12:24 PM  

ZotZotDig wrote:I get it...The coming economic crisis will turn Americans into something they've never been.

I get it ... he's not American. Anyone want to bet he's a distant cousin of Emma Lazarus?

Blogger doctrev September 13, 2018 12:27 PM  

ZotZotDig wrote:

I always look for precedent. Even just a hint of it in current, recent or ancient (relatively) history. There is none for deportation in the U.S.

Again, no one is willing to look at the mechanics of this kind of politics. If they did, they'd see there are none.


Sure. Americans have never engaged in mass deportation, for fear of wet backs. They just respond with sprees of murder when governments fail to do their duty (Nat Turner's rebellion, Emmett Til, etc). Not even Vox Day thought internment camps for Japanese were proper ten years ago, but they were settled public policy through the whole Roosevelt administration.

Historical ignorance is a typically American trait, these days, but it's modern passivity that is out of character for Americans. And even that reflects capture of the media and judiciary by foreign ideologies.

But the judiciary fundamentally answers to the people. You're about to discover that.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 13, 2018 12:42 PM  

ZotZotDig wrote:I get it...The coming economic crisis will turn Americans into something they've never been.


You have no idea what we've been. You have to go back. It'll be easier if you leave now, not put it off.

Blogger justaguy September 13, 2018 12:44 PM  

While there are many ideas and theories of "if I were King for a day", reality means realizing that the votes for a openly corrupt Hillary got a few million votes more than Trump. Currently the establishment is winning their battle against the President because Trump didn't have enough good men to place into office. The mid-terms will be a major battle in the establishment v. Trump war. So reality says we aren't 85% of the country anymore.

So it looks to me like there isn't enough people willing to go along with any expulsion plans or anything else. Going forward it seems that there is over 1 million legal immigration (all Dems), a large but unknown number of illegals entering (all Dems), a large number of new "Americans" born to illegals (all Dems) , and several sizable groups citizens who are minorities that are blatantly anti-American and all having lots of babies (all Dems) versus lots of Boomers who vote Trump who already had their kids, and lots of indoctrinated cucks (more Dems) and a small number of others 40 and under who support Trump but who are not having many babies...

I don't see how the MAGA side gets enough support to toss all those new Dems out of the country. With the demographics-- destiny is about baked in with only a few more elections until a Trump can't get elected much less force a majority off of the shores of their new land.

Blogger Duke Norfolk September 13, 2018 12:49 PM  

@64

You're not wrong, on the whole. And that's why we're likely to see a messy, bloody struggle and split up of these United States. It's gonna be interesting.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants September 13, 2018 12:51 PM  

"We" are not the same people we were when those other events took place. Someone above posted there were about 140M Americans in a country of 327 million. As we become more and more fractured, as times get rougher, you can expect to see even more fracturing than any type of rallying of the country. We are just past the 17th anniversary of 9/11, do you HONESTLY think we are more closely bonded to one another today, than we were on Sept 10th 2001?
Because I can answer that, and it's NO.
Who "we" are, IS the more important current issue. Nothing tops that.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 13, 2018 12:56 PM  

@40 Loyd Jenkins
Your comment and the comments above make me realize that I don't know how you define an American. Can you tell me, or point me in a direction?
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A good place to start would be VDs book "Cuckservative" .

Blogger Were-Puppy September 13, 2018 1:02 PM  

@47 Major Styles
I just read the excerpt from Henry Ford on the Jewish destruction of Tammany Hall (from his book "The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem).
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FYI: Amazon has the kindle version of this book free
https://www.amazon.com/International-Jew-Worlds-Foremost-Problem-ebook/dp/B006FKURH0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1536858020&sr=8-2&keywords=henry+ford+the+international+jew

Blogger Were-Puppy September 13, 2018 1:07 PM  

@58 ZotZotDig
I always look for precedent. Even just a hint of it in current, recent or ancient (relatively) history. There is none for deportation in the U.S.
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Dude, they already mentioned to you operation wetback, japanese internment, and lets add the indian reservation systems.


Blogger DonReynolds September 13, 2018 1:19 PM  

Notice how deftly Peter Grant manages to dance around the mulberry bush of TRIBE and still completely avoid using RACE as any example. He may as well be talking about members of the Rotary International or square dancers or NASCAR fans. He is a gutless coward, advocating a position he does not hold for himself. This is just more civic nationalism for a nation that is about to break apart. He is nothing more than a Judas Goat, leading the sheep to slaughter.

Blogger ZotZotDig September 13, 2018 1:29 PM  

"Sure. Americans have never engaged in mass deportation, for fear of wet backs. They just respond with sprees of murder when governments fail to do their duty (Nat Turner's rebellion, Emmett Til, etc). Not even Vox Day thought internment camps for Japanese were proper ten years ago, but they were settled public policy through the whole Roosevelt administration.

Historical ignorance is a typically American trait, these days, but it's modern passivity that is out of character for Americans. And even that reflects capture of the media and judiciary by foreign ideologies."

There is nothing like an "American Response" to political instability or inertia that includes sprees of murder. These are one-offs. The internment of Japanese came in response to a war with Japan. Explain to me what kind of event is going to mimic that situation so that the majority or even a small minority of Americans will agree it's a good idea to remove from the country Jews and blacks by force.

Trump is the closest thing we've had in almost 80 years to a president who would contemplate such a thing and even he wouldn't consider such a thing. Do you think that the 55% or 65% of the country that doesn't support Trump or is wobbly on Trump would support deportation when there could be no showing of any necessity to do so, even after some sort of a major economic crisis?

It's disappointing to see people give up to such a degree that they are willing to endorse programs that have absolutely no chance of being implemented instead of actually working to change things through a methodical process of changing minds and policy.

Blogger James Dixon September 13, 2018 1:40 PM  

> He is a gutless coward, advocating a position he does not hold for himself.

No, he isn't, as a review of his history will show. Peter is on our side. This is merely a point of disagreement, mostly caused by the fact that he isn't a native American.

> "We" are not the same people we were when those other events took place.

Define "we" kemosabe. The US as a whole isn't, no. But the descendants of the people who took part in them are.

> The internment of Japanese came in response to a war with Japan.

Which you had just said couldn't happen.

> There is nothing like an "American Response" to political instability or inertia that includes sprees of murder.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

> Explain to me what kind of event is going to mimic that situation so that the majority or even a small minority of Americans will agree it's a good idea to remove from the country Jews and blacks by force.

As I noted earlier, a small minority already do think it's a good idea. As to what kind of even would trigger it, an economic crash that makes the Depression look like a picnic, which given our debt load and it's growth rate is an absolutely certainty sometime within the next 100 years.

> Do you think that the 55% or 65% of the country that doesn't support Trump or is wobbly on Trump would support deportation when there could be no showing of any necessity to do so, even after some sort of a major economic crisis?

They won't be the same country at that point, so it won't matter what they support.

> It's disappointing to see people give up to such a degree that they are willing to endorse programs that have absolutely no chance of being implemented

It's disappointing to see people claim they know what they're talking about when they have no understanding of American history or the American people.


Blogger ZotZotDig September 13, 2018 1:54 PM  

"As I noted earlier, a small minority already do think it's a good idea. As to what kind of even would trigger it, an economic crash that makes the Depression look like a picnic, which given our debt load and it's growth rate is an absolutely certainty sometime within the next 100 years."

The next 100 years? Way to give yourself some cushion. You are talking science fiction at this point.

Blogger James Dixon September 13, 2018 1:57 PM  

As to what policies could reasonably be implemented right now? a) Deportation of every illegal immigrant. That already has widespread support. b) A five or ten halt to all legal immigration while we redesign the system. Harder, but still doable. c) An end to anchor baby citizenship.

Blogger James Dixon September 13, 2018 2:00 PM  

> The next 100 years? Way to give yourself some cushion. You are talking science fiction at this point.

The math says closer to 50, but there are a lot of variables that could change things in either direction. Do you want the truth or comfortable lies?

Blogger ZotZotDig September 13, 2018 2:05 PM  

"As to what policies could reasonably be implemented right now? a) Deportation of every illegal immigrant. That already has widespread support. b) A five or ten halt to all legal immigration while we redesign the system. Harder, but still doable. c) An end to anchor baby citizenship."

OK...now we are moving out of the world of Science Fiction Hail Marys.

However, I think you overestimate support for deportation. And the anchor baby thing is the most possible, maybe even through the courts. All of it is a heavy lift, however. Still, it's the kind of program that people won't immediately start laughing at and that makes it more reasonable than deporting all jews and blacks.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 13, 2018 2:14 PM  

justaguy wrote:While there are many ideas and theories of "if I were King for a day", reality means realizing that the votes for a openly corrupt Hillary got a few million votes more than Trump.

Not true at all.

American is a subset of citizen.
Citizen is a subset of voters.
Voters is a set made up of Americans, other citizens, illegal aliens and, in Leftist precincts, the voting dead.

Americans overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Legal and illegal immigrants mostly voted for TheCunt. Her popular vote margin boiled down to the illegals and the zombies.

``Americans'' means the descendants of the Founding Fathers (Vox's American 1.0) and the assimilated descendants of the early waves of European immigrants (Vox's American 2.0). As others have said, that's less than half of the current number of bodies within our porous borders.

Blogger James Dixon September 13, 2018 2:17 PM  

> However, I think you overestimate support for deportation.

Of illegals? In fact, I probably underestimate it. Americans usually believe in the equal application of the law.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 13, 2018 2:21 PM  

Furthermore, the politics of such a plan are so unprecedented and so impossible under current or foreseeable circumstances that the plan turns out to be fantasy.

Let's say you're right, and it's just a fantasy. How many words are you going to type to try to talk a bunch of strangers online out of their fantasy? Your concern is noted.

Blogger doctrev September 13, 2018 2:26 PM  

Keep on cuckin', pal. Pending the implosion of your historical fantasy, you might reflect that not only was America founded due to irregular warfare, but the Phoenix Program in Vietnam used torture that no American government would officially sanction. Nonetheless, it was particularly effective.

As for what would make the average white American deport all the black criminals? Yeah, I thought someone with such poor historical knowledge might at least know about current events, but no. Suffice to say that white people care about Ferguson, not Charlottesville, and they'd probably agree with deporting the lower 50th percentile of blacks -now-.

Blogger English Tom September 13, 2018 2:37 PM  

@ZotZotDig

Re: the mechanics of the expulsion policy.

If someone has a gun to your head I'm pretty damned sure you'll be doing what he says, and if what he says is: hit the road or die, you're gonnaxhitcthat road.

Simple.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 13, 2018 2:39 PM  

ZotZotDig wrote:It's disappointing to see people give up to such a degree that they are willing to endorse programs that have absolutely no chance of being implemented instead of actually working to change things through a methodical process of changing minds and policy.
You've had 75 years, pal. How has that "methodical process of changing minds and policy" actually worked in the real world?

Keep believing that old wives' tale of representative democracy and keep failing. That's the ticket!

I'll bet you voted for Obama.

Blogger Ahärôwn September 13, 2018 2:41 PM  

I always look for precedent. Even just a hint of it in current, recent or ancient (relatively) history. There is none for deportation in the U.S.

Tell that to the Loyalists, who sided with the Crown and following the War for Independence had their property seized and were tossed out of the U.S. Many of these moved north to Upper Canada (Ontario), and were given land by the Crown and permitted to add "UEL" (United Empire Loyalist) following their name ("Joe Smith, UEL").

As Loyalists, who didn't side with the Revolutionaries, but who felt that Britain would win, or who were pacifist Mennonites, like some of my distant ancestors, they were held to be suspect and so booted out by the Founding Fathers. And most of these were fellow Englishmen - how much more people from vastly different cultures today?

Blogger Matamoros September 13, 2018 2:57 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:Before the Civil War, the primary loyalty of most Americans was to their State and extended family, not to the USA...or there wouldn't have been a conflict. So Grant's hypothesized allegiance to the Nation-State didn't exist even in a relatively homogeneous America....Only people born west of the Hajnal line have this delusion, and obviously not many of them either.

That is why before Lincoln's War it was "these United States" and after "the United States".

Also, my understanding is there was no federal passport until Lincoln, or shortly after the War.

Blogger Lurker September 13, 2018 3:07 PM  

"A serious effort was made after the Civil War to create such a culture, but it was turned off after about 1970. I'm old enough to remember the Bicentennial (which was a BIG deal), and have serious doubts that the 250th in 2026 will be one-half as big. Hell, the celebrations for the 125th of the Civil War were much bigger than the 150th. The Fake Americans don't relate.

Moar fireworks!

Blogger DonReynolds September 13, 2018 3:15 PM  

Deportation is a legal process and there has never been "mass deportation" in this country simply because it was never necessary. The waves of "immigrants" from Ireland and Italy (and elsewhere) came to this country LEGALLY and were not subject to deportation unless they committed a serious crime.

The invasion by illegal aliens from Mexico (and Central America) is unprecedented. It has never happened before. Deportation has failed to deal with the numbers and the deportees have been allowed to simply IGNORE the orders of removal when they exhausted their appeals in the immigration courts. A million and a half people in this country currently have orders of removal, which some have defied for many years. Yes, they can easily be deported....in an instant.

Being expelled from the USA does not require a legal process. Being turned back at the border by a wall or a wall of enforcers does not require a court order. Being prohibited from working as an illegal does not require a court order. Being snatched by ICE in a workplace raid or by active participation in criminal gangs does not require a court order. Being banned from welfare programs for being an illegal alien does not require a court order. We already have laws on the books to deal with illegal aliens. WE simply need the government to enforce the law....something they took an oath to do.

Blogger SirHamster September 13, 2018 3:30 PM  

ZotZotDig wrote:It's a bad idea to give people hope.

Sometimes the contrarians make rather interesting admissions in their claims.

1.) Agrees that expelling Jews, blacks, immigrants is a hope
2.) Attacks that hope as a bad thing by denigrating all hope

Blogger RusticFederalist September 13, 2018 3:36 PM  

Even the original immigration laws were naive. There's no way the Founders could have predicted the wave from the Irish Famine, or the German Revolutions. Had they thought either was possible they probably would have set more explicit restrictions on immigration.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 13, 2018 3:43 PM  

SirHamster wrote:Sometimes the contrarians make rather interesting admissions in their claims.

1.) Agrees that expelling Jews, blacks, immigrants is a hope
2.) Attacks that hope as a bad thing by denigrating all hope


What might get one hundred million Americans to agree to round 'em up and ship 'em out? How about dashed hopes? I can see why someone who is desperately afraid of being sent back would hate to see hopes raised.

Blogger Robert What? September 13, 2018 3:49 PM  

@Vox,

and become unhyphenated Americans.

The Irish in America especially are very fond of referring to themselves as Irish-Americans. What is the significance to that, if any?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 13, 2018 3:49 PM  

When we had an empty continent infested by lions, bears and our host's savage ancestors, bringing in grist for the frontier to grind up made a little sense. The Founding Fathers just couldn't breed fast enough to forestall the European powers from grabbing some of our empty continent. Immigrants could settle the frontier, clear the land, build infrastructure, and perhaps assimilate in the process.

We no longer have an empty continent. We no longer have any way to gain from immigration. Recent experience shows that we no longer have any way to achieve assimilation, even among groups which might have some potential to assimilate.

The Founding Fathers allowed for immigration? They had their reasons. Today, we have no reason to allow immigration, and every reason not to.

Blogger ZotZotDig September 13, 2018 4:03 PM  

"What might get one hundred million Americans to agree to round 'em up and ship 'em out? How about dashed hopes? I can see why someone who is desperately afraid of being sent back would hate to see hopes raised."

Man, I sure hope the rain passes by for the wedding this weekend.

I really hope my team can at least play .500 this year

I hope Santa brings me that BB Gun for Christmas.

Then there is:

I hope Americans will deport all Jews and Blacks.

The difference is that without a possibility of something occurring it's not a "hope". It's a fantasy. The gun loving kid, the sports junkie and the wedding planner have something to cling to in their reasonable hopes. The guy who wants to see America decide to do deport Jews and blacks may as well be putting faith in the power of dropping pennies in a fountain.

Blogger VD September 13, 2018 4:13 PM  

The Irish in America especially are very fond of referring to themselves as Irish-Americans. What is the significance to that, if any?

Like the rest of their wave of immigration, they aren't genuine Americans and they've never understood or shared genuine American values.

Blogger VD September 13, 2018 4:15 PM  

The difference is that without a possibility of something occurring it's not a "hope". It's a fantasy.

The Jewish elite in the USA has been discussing plans to leave en masse for 14 years now and the Israeli Prime Minister is calling for all Jews to return to Israel.

As I said, you're far too short and ignorant for this ride.

Blogger SirHamster September 13, 2018 4:16 PM  

ZotZotDig wrote:The difference is that without a possibility of something occurring it's not a "hope". It's a fantasy.

Too bad you didn't say that. You chose the word hope.

"It's a bad idea to give people false hope."
"It's a bad idea to give people fantasies."

Those are fair statements. Some might disagree, but the positions are understandable.

That's exactly why your statement that "it's a bad idea to give people hope" is so interesting.

Blogger Zander Stander September 13, 2018 4:18 PM  

Don't worry, we know that. We've known that for 300 years, despite churchian indoctrination.

Blogger DonReynolds September 13, 2018 4:47 PM  

Robert What? wrote:@Vox,

and become unhyphenated Americans.

The Irish in America especially are very fond of referring to themselves as Irish-Americans. What is the significance to that, if any?


Mostly symbolic and for reasons that only make sense to the Irish, and the Scots, and the Welsh. They have lived under English rule for centuries and still resist the idea and any notions of assimilation.

The Irish achieved independence from the Crown in 1922 (except for Northern Ireland) after some 700 years of English rule.....many years AFTER the bulk of the Irish left for America and British colonies. They were not Irish Republicans when they arrived in America but they identified with the island they left behind anyway. (The Welsh were actually ruled by the English longer and more harshly than was possible with the Irish, and there is still some resentment.)

The same is true of the Italians...since they also like to make it known that they are Italian-Americans. Italy did not exist as a nation until Garibaldi unified the country and declared it in the 1860s.

The same could be said for Germans, who love to thrill everyone with their German ancestry. But Germany as a nation did not exist until Bismark in 1870, after many of the "German" immigrants had already arrived in the USA. Before Bismark, there was no German nation....just the Kingdom of Prussia and 26 separate dutchy and principalities, which did not include Austria or often even Bavaria. (Austria was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.)

Blogger Lurker September 13, 2018 4:59 PM  

"When we had an empty continent infested by lions, bears and our host's savage ancestors, bringing in grist for the frontier to grind up made a little sense. The Founding Fathers just couldn't breed fast enough to forestall the European powers from grabbing some of our empty continent. Immigrants could settle the frontier, clear the land, build infrastructure, and perhaps assimilate in the process."

Good points.

"We no longer have an empty continent. We no longer have any way to gain from immigration. Recent experience shows that we no longer have any way to achieve assimilation, even among groups which might have some potential to assimilate."

Trying telling that to the Chamber of "Commerce" and the "employers" that are a part of it. Since they continue slavery-lite at the nations expense and the globalists glee. I know Vox has already covered this but you can hear the liberTARDians saying capitalism will fix assimilation/cultural/genetic issues too, capitalism the all-purpose tool. Capitalism must be racist too since they keep wanting to import specific racial/national groups that will do jobs, "Americans won't do". Strange how "capitalism" only works with foreign imported labor isn't it libertardians but it won't work unless there is foreign labor to import!? America is like a giant damn temp agency of the world.


Blogger ZotZotDig September 13, 2018 5:02 PM  

"The Jewish elite in the USA has been discussing plans to leave en masse for 14 years now and the Israeli Prime Minister is calling for all Jews to return to Israel."

That's true. But, these elites can't seem to get more than a trickle of people behind them. I suspect the reason is that the vast majority of 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th generation Jews feel quite at home in the United States, know nothing else, can't imagine leaving what they see as their country and, just as important, there is no threat to their kids here in the states.

Today, Jews read their brethren's "The Plot Against America" and don't see it as allegory. They see it as Alt History.

Blogger Gettimothy September 13, 2018 5:03 PM  

@95 yep

Blogger Lurker September 13, 2018 5:22 PM  

Oh yeah Amazon employs a lot of Americans because said imports with their ubiquitousness in the American job market which causes downward pressure on wages across the board which has been down, for what 50 years now while the fed prints away? Will the liberTARDians discuss that? Do liberTARDians need a remedial course in supply/demand dynamics?


Bezos must be a liberTARDian aka a globalTARD. If you are a American DO NOT WORK for Amazon. Let the liberTARDians employ the foreign labor they love so much and well see how it goes for their bottom line HA!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 13, 2018 5:30 PM  

Lurker wrote:Trying telling that to the Chamber of "Commerce" and the "employers" that are a part of it.

The CoC and the GOP elites aren't American, and they have to go.

Blogger Lurker September 13, 2018 5:33 PM  

LibTARDians have done with capitalism what atheists have done with evolution. It morphs into whatever is needed and can solve all problems and is beyond dispute.

Blogger Lurker September 13, 2018 5:35 PM  

"The CoC and the GOP elites aren't American, and they have to go."

Totally agree. Complete.fucking.traitors. Greed doesn't just destroy families it destroys nations as well.

Blogger RusticFederalist September 13, 2018 5:44 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:The Founding Fathers allowed for immigration? They had their reasons. Today, we have no reason to allow immigration, and every reason not to.

Agreed. It is pretty clear in the Articles of Continental Association who they wanted, and for what purpose.

. . . the present unhappy situation of our affairs is occasioned by a ruinous system of Colony Administration, adopted by the British Ministry about the year 1763, evidently calculated for enslaving these Colonies, and, with them, the British Empire. In prosecution of which system, various Acts of Parliament have been passed . . . and also an Act for extending the Province of Quebec, so as to border on the Western Frontiers of these Colonies, establishing an arbitrary Government therein, and discouraging the settlement of British subjects in that wide extended country; thus, by the influence of civil principles and ancient prejudices, to dispose the inhabitants to act with hostility against the free Protestant Colonies, whenever a wicked Ministry shall choose so to direct them.

They don't teach that one in gub'ment school.

Blogger RusticFederalist September 13, 2018 5:50 PM  

ZotZotDig wrote:I suspect the reason is that the vast majority of 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th generation Jews feel quite at home in the United States, know nothing else, can't imagine leaving what they see as their country and, just as important, there is no threat to their kids here in the states.

They feel comfy in their settler colonies, especially the orthodox.

Blogger VD September 13, 2018 6:12 PM  

I suspect the reason is that the vast majority of 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th generation Jews feel quite at home in the United States, know nothing else, can't imagine leaving what they see as their country and, just as important, there is no threat to their kids here in the states.

Sure, that's why they cry "Holocaust, Nazi, Holocaust, Hitler" 24-7. Because they feel so very at home in the USA.

Go tell your employer to send someone a few levels above you. You're far too short and stupid for the ride here.

Blogger DonReynolds September 13, 2018 6:20 PM  

RusticFederalist wrote:Ominous Cowherd wrote:The Founding Fathers allowed for immigration? They had their reasons. Today, we have no reason to allow immigration, and every reason not to.

Agreed. It is pretty clear in the Articles of Continental Association who they wanted, and for what purpose.

. . . the present unhappy situation of our affairs is occasioned by a ruinous system of Colony Administration, adopted by the British Ministry about the year 1763, evidently calculated for enslaving these Colonies, and, with them, the British Empire. In prosecution of which system, various Acts of Parliament have been passed . . . and also an Act for extending the Province of Quebec, so as to border on the Western Frontiers of these Colonies, establishing an arbitrary Government therein, and discouraging the settlement of British subjects in that wide extended country; thus, by the influence of civil principles and ancient prejudices, to dispose the inhabitants to act with hostility against the free Protestant Colonies, whenever a wicked Ministry shall choose so to direct them.

They don't teach that one in gub'ment school.


The Quebec Act lit a fire under American discontent since it required all inhabitants of the Quebec colony to tithe to the Roman Catholic church. This was very unpopular with the largely Protestant population of the other British colonies and deeply resented.

No, they do not teach that in gub'ment school....nor the Catholic schools.

Blogger ZotZotDig September 13, 2018 7:30 PM  

"Sure, that's why they cry "Holocaust, Nazi, Holocaust, Hitler" 24-7. Because they feel so very at home in the USA."

I guess we'll just have to forgive those Jews who cry "holocaust" the same way we forgive southerns who cry "War of Northern Aggression".

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 13, 2018 7:59 PM  

We need higher quality trolls.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 13, 2018 8:12 PM  

ZotZotDig wrote:I guess we'll just have to forgive those Jews who cry "holocaust" the same way we forgive southerns who cry "War of Northern Aggression".
How's the weather in Tel Aviv? Here in America, it was cool and rainy today.

Blogger doctrev September 13, 2018 8:49 PM  

I imagine a troll from Tel Aviv wouldn't be such a giant douche on behalf of liberal American Jews. Regardless: if you pull down a Confederate statue, you're a national hero. If you pull down a statue to Anne Frank, the law will take your thumbs.

You can say "exactly, because Jews are so well-regarded," but try advancing that theory in South Carolina! Such charm is exactly why certain people are wearing out their welcome among the plebs.

Blogger tublecane September 13, 2018 9:35 PM  

Identity politics have long been decried by conservatives, and they weren't entirely wrong.* Because there's no way, for instance, 95% of black voters have identical interests. I viewed them as a variety of single-issue voter. Which can be a powerful tactic, but it wasn't necessarily smart to blow your whole wad on being black or aged or a woman.

But here's the thing. Partly because of the policies of noble-in-their-own-minds cons, identity is of vital importance now .And I mean vital literally. So it's only natural and pragmatic to form blocs based on race.

One aspect that was always B.S. was that they acted like lefties were cheating for exploiting group-identification. And the stupudest, evillest aspect of identity politics aversion is the idea that we're all deracinated, self-involved individuals. Into which globohomo is trying to turn us, but which we cannot yet be. (Some things die hard.)

Blogger tublecane September 14, 2018 12:50 AM  

About Teddy, he stipulated that newcomers had to assimilate fully, to the point of becoming nothing but Americabs. Which sounds good, but if course that never happens.

He was superior to the Melting Potters, who would cook both newbies and Heritage Americans into some third thing neither of them were before. But that doesn't work, either.

Blogger James Dixon September 14, 2018 2:44 AM  

> I guess we'll just have to forgive those Jews who cry "holocaust" the same way we forgive southerns who cry "War of Northern Aggression".

Since no northerner ever forgives them, I'd say that's about right.

Note that since your earlier comments effectively claimed we as a people were incapable of fighting the civil war (I pointed out that's what you were claiming at the time), I could accuse you of claiming neither happened.

But thanks for letting us know what you consider important, and thus largely verifying earlier assumptions.

Blogger James Dixon September 14, 2018 2:48 AM  

> We need higher quality trolls.

The intelligent ones have banking systems, movie studios, TV networks, and newspaper syndicates to run. All of which are a higher priority than Vox's blog.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 14, 2018 10:52 AM  

James Dixon wrote:> We need higher quality trolls.

The intelligent ones have banking systems, movie studios, TV networks, and newspaper syndicates to run. All of which are a higher priority than Vox's blog.


Oh. Then we need to do more damage to the enemy.

Blogger James Dixon September 14, 2018 12:47 PM  

> Oh. Then we need to do more damage to the enemy.

This particular one seems to have left without even touching the bait. :( And I arranged it so carefully too. :)

Blogger ZotZotDig September 14, 2018 5:23 PM  

"Note that since your earlier comments effectively claimed we as a people were incapable of fighting the civil war (I pointed out that's what you were claiming at the time), I could accuse you of claiming neither happened."

Civil War? Huh?

I claimed there's no possibility of the deportation of Jews and Blacks. What Civil War is it you think I claimed could not be won?

Blogger James Dixon September 14, 2018 6:56 PM  

> I claimed there's no possibility of the deportation of Jews and Black

The claims you made about the nature of the people involved were such that those people would never have been capable of fighting such a war.

Obviously they did, so your understanding of the people involved must be woefully incomplete.

And no, I'm not going to back and requote the relevant comments for your benefit. I made the comment about what your comments meant at the time. That fact you either didn't read it or were incapable of understanding it says all I need to say.

Blogger SirHamster September 14, 2018 7:34 PM  

Trolls gonna play obtuse.

Blogger ZotZotDig September 14, 2018 8:10 PM  

"The claims you made about the nature of the people involved were such that those people would never have been capable of fighting such a war.

Obviously they did, so your understanding of the people involved must be woefully incomplete."

What year do you think it is, Mr. Dixon? The people involved are alive today. They fought no civil war.

Blogger eyeslevel September 15, 2018 2:30 AM  

The more multiracial you get, the more racial politics you get.

Blogger James Dixon September 17, 2018 9:07 AM  

> What year do you think it is, Mr. Dixon? The people involved are alive today. They fought no civil war.

Their great great grandparents did. You're now claiming that the people have changed (which you weren't before, nice moving of the goalposts there). They haven't. And they know which side you're on.

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