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Sunday, September 16, 2018

Surviving the onslaught

A warning of what is to come from Neon Revolt in the aftermath of Reddit disappearing /r/GreatAwakening despite its 300,000 subscribers.
The simple fact is that /r/GreatAwakening was one of the most vital and important hubs of Q-related activity to date. And now it is gone.

Part of the reason for its popularity was that it allowed relevant info to travel along a vector with tremendous velocity, carried along by a stream of upvotes. This mechanism, while not perfect (and while also exploitable) worked well enough most of the time for our purposes – and make no mistake; we were on target to surpass a million subscribers in short order – which is why they shut us down. We were a direct threat to their hegemony, so they had to shut it down.

Another reason it proved so popular was, unlike the chans (which are anarchic, at best) it also allowed for “Offensive content” to be filtered out – either by mods, or by the users through the use of downvotes. And if you’ve spent any time on the chans, you know that they’re often filled with porn, gore, and all sorts of offensive material.

Yes, even Q’s board.

It’s important to realize that not all this is organic. A lot of this noise is actually produced by bots attempting to derail the discussion.

That doesn’t make it any easier to pick through, but it’s an essential understanding to have.

So, roughly speaking, autists would be working on the official research boards, compiling all their knowledge, hashing things out – and then someone would repost the most vital pieces of info to /r/GreatAwakening, and usually, it would be upvoted very quickly – often within a half hour of it first appearing on the chans – because people generally recognize and spread valuable content.

UNDERSTAND – EVERYTHING is going to go offline at some point, save 8ch.

You won’t be able to find news outside of it, very soon. And when you’re there, there’s not going to be any vote tallies, or recognizable names to tell you how to think, or what’s important to pay attention to. You can’t see u/NeonRevolt, or u/SerialBrain2 or u/Whoever, because we will all ultimately be #Anons.

UNDERSTAND – There’s not going to be a Reddit, or a Voat, or a Gab, possibly even a Neon Revolt in the coming months.

There’s only going to be 8ch. Don’t get me wrong, I have backups of everything – but I’m anticipating the entire Internet going down for a bit, as per Q.
There is no telling to what extent the Internet is going to go down, but I can assure you that you won't have any warning. You'll just go to a site and it won't be there. Just this morning, for example, I discovered that all four Gun Ghoul KDP titles are being blocked by Amazon. We're working to sort that out. We briefly took down the Dark Legion Direct listing ourselves this weekend, but only to permit a faster change over to the Dark Legion-branded print edition that is now complete. As we were also informed that Corrosion aka The Corroding Empire will no longer be sold on Amazon because it has been deemed "misleading" to Amazon's customers, this may indicate an all-too-familiar hand at work.

Anyhow, to maximize your chances of being alerted to the relevant backup location of this blog, be sure to subscribe to either the Castalia Book Club mailing list or the Daily Meme Wars list. To follow Qanons without the noise and grotesqueries, go here. And while you're at it, consider getting on board with the AH:Q campaign.


UPDATE: Curiouser and curiouser. Corrosion was restored without us even having to register a complaint.

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Blogger Dave September 16, 2018 8:19 AM  

Fascinating post by Neon Revolt, be sure to read the third section describe as:

but now I intend to explain in full why we chose to create a new subverse.

Working with 8ch moderators, and r/GreatAwakening mods, we uncovered a trail of accounts that seem to be coordinating in a massive plan to subvert the Q across all platforms, at every turn.

We believe this group uses a number of sock-puppet accounts mask their efforts, but with a little bit of sleuthing, the patterns became quite clear to us.

And we believe that these deep state actors were ready and waiting for us to fall into their trap at /v/GreatAwakening.

And it all starts with the ridiculously-named redditor, u/FartOnToast.

Blogger Dave September 16, 2018 8:28 AM  

Also just posted in the SJW Cubed thread thanks to LP-999-16's find: The State Dept. believes comics are an important tool for use in 'problematic countries'

Dave wrote:LP999-16 wrote:https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2018/09/15

LP, good catch.

File this under what will the feds think of next...('problematic countries' yes, of course)

Comic Books & Intelligence Community

Comic book artist David Mack discussed how his real life travels and humanitarian work at refugee camps influenced his new work that deals with the American intelligence community. Mack told Ian Punnett he was hired by the U.S. State Department as an "Comic Book Ambassador" and sent to problematic countries (such as the former USSR, North Africa, Tunisia, Libya, and Singapore) and tasked with working with "at risk youth" to keep them from joining radical and terrorist groups. He and his writing partner, Brian Michael Bendis both formerly worked at Marvel Comics, but are now producing a serialized graphic novel (entitled "Cover") for DC Comics based on their experiences as artists working as intel assets.

While in Tunisia, Mack says he rode in "a bulletproof car" and "interacted with a variety of people" conducting storytelling, writing, and art classes. Mack was quick to point out that the vast majority of Tunisians he met were "just wonderful normal people" who were interested in popular artistic traditions from all over the world, including Japanese manga. He also participated in a local comic-con event which was raided by extremist elements in the government. Being cagey and careful about what he thought he was allowed to say about the situation, Mack described his efforts to help with the release of those who were detained and some who were actually beaten while in captivity. Mack also said that the scenes in the original Star Wars movie that were filmed in Tunisia (standing in for the desert planet of Tatooine) were actually based on a real city in the country named Tataouine, and that the architecture and way of life practiced there was closely mirrored by the filmmakers.

He has also been tasked to bring artistic amabassadorship to the former Soviet satellite country of Georgia, using his State Department credentials and connections to assure the people and the government of the country that the US is a strong supporter of their continued independence from Russia. As in Tunisia, he also concentrated on the younger people, because he said "these people are going to be the movers and shakers" in the future of the country. He said that the Russian government still routinely move fences on the border in order to intimidate and harass. While in Georgia, Mack says he was routinely accompanied by a driver, two foreign service officers, and a translator. Ian hinted that many people he knows who are working for the U.S. State Department are actually working for, or on the behalf of, the CIA.


Blogger Dave September 16, 2018 8:32 AM  

Also, let it be known, I'm available if Arkhaven has any plans to hire "Comic Book Ambassadors" to visit problematic or non problematic countries.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 16, 2018 8:50 AM  

Why not throw in the solar observatory issue straight from the X-files?

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 16, 2018 8:51 AM  

I discovered that all four Gun Ghoul KDP titles were blocked by Amazon, most likely due to a spurious claim of trademark infringement.

I hope that is the case.

I know Jeff Bezos is Lefty but I had convinced myself that he was too autistically focused on customer service to allow corporate cancer at Amazon. At least while he runs the place.

Although I could be wrong about that in a big way. Roosh's books have finally been removed.

Blogger Gettimothy September 16, 2018 9:09 AM  

@1 @2 @3 Cognitive Infiltration is the term and now obvious technique .

http://www.unz.com/book/david_ray_griffin__cognitive-infiltration/#chapter-10-cognitive-infiltration-as-the-best-solution


We see it here in the comments of VP.
Disqus is rife with the bastards at every node of influence (i.e. instapundit)

Vox is right. Build our own platforms. (I add protocols and physical infrastructures to that maxim) and Never never, never allow one instance of this neo-babylonian-baloney to ever even attempt to subvert Christendom again.


Podhoretz delenda est

Blogger Jack Ward September 16, 2018 9:44 AM  

Pretty sure I'm on the Castalia House mailing list. Unsure enough to go over there after VD's advice re blog going bye bye. Maybe I'm being dense or something but, could not find a place there to sign up or check to see if I'm still signed on. Someone please advise? And, Thank You all.

Blogger Ken Prescott September 16, 2018 9:45 AM  

There is no telling to what extent the Internet is going to go down, but I can assure you that you won't have any warning.

The Internet was designed to be impossible to shut down. You'd have to shut down every router and switch at once. You might shut down specific sites, but that's going to cause all manner of problems for all manner of folks.

About the only way that MIGHT be done is a Carrington Event-level CME and ensuing geomagnetic storm. Not even a HEMP event from a high-yield thermonuclear device would accomplish that.

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 16, 2018 9:47 AM  

They had a few trial runs to observe in 2015 during the Arab Spring. What they found was that nations which shut down the Internet caused more revolutionary backlash than those which left it up and used social media to manipulate and divert it. Ever since, that's the policy they've followed in the West. Take out individual dissenters and hot spots, while using social media to distract people from what's going on.

Of course, if you're one of those taken down, it might as well be an Internet-wide kill switch for you. As Vox said, you don't get a warning. You don't get called in to face your accusers, not even in a kangaroo court. You're just done. We're probably five years away from a fully distributed Internet with no central points of control, but that shortens every time they push someone off the current system.

Blogger InformationMerchant September 16, 2018 9:49 AM  

@7 http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/06/castalia-book-club.html

The last email sent out on that list was on the 10th of September, subject was "NEW RELEASE: 4D Warfare by Jack Posobiec."

Blogger Damelon Brinn September 16, 2018 9:53 AM  

The Internet was designed to be impossible to shut down.

The Internet at the hardware and routing level, yes. Not the services we've built on it. Those are highly centralized, especially naming and DNS, and they've been further centralized by the fact that so many people use the free services offered by the big operators like Google and GoDaddy instead of running their own. They can effectively shut down the Internet for 99% of users, while still allowing packets to roam freely around the network.

Google could kill the net temporarily for a lot of people just by powering down 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, since so many people have used those because they're easy to remember. They don't run those free services to be charitable.

Blogger tz September 16, 2018 9:59 AM  

@5 Castalia Books were removed before, and it was a rogue SJW buried somewhere deep in Amazon that just decided to do so - much like the Twitter employee that banned Trump.

That is why SJWs are a disease - they slowly infect the host, a little here, a little there. NFL wears pink for breast cancer awareness, what is the harm? Then comes the kneeling.

The CEOs can't control everyone, and if there are sympathetic managers up and down the chain (watch the Google video), they aren't going to see anything wrong, no more than the editors saw in the Nikkey Haley curtain story in the NYT which even Jake Tapper condemned.

In some ways the early microconvergence is worse as it is small and random whereas you know a fully converged company will ban you shortly.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 16, 2018 10:08 AM  

This is already shaping up to be a good thread.

I tend to agree with Damelon. While the network itself is quite difficult to shut down entirely, DNS and other services which people tend to forget how to do without are major weakpoints for most end users. Flies, honey.

Blogger Jimmy September 16, 2018 10:12 AM  

Shutting down the chan boards will unleash a wave a autism the likes even God has not seen. /Pol regardless of boards is not the problem. What are they when /b has nowhere to go?

Blogger Avalanche September 16, 2018 10:17 AM  

@12 Hadn't heard of the Haley curtains...

Found this:
The New York Times on Friday said it was "unfair" to US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley in a recent story and made significant changes to the story.

The article's original headline suggested she purchased expensive curtains for her office, but that was incorrect.

The curtains were purchased by the State Department under the Obama administration.

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-times-nikki-haley-curtains-story-correction-2018-9


How many thousands of times do "we" have to try to un-do the lying SJW media? I was reading somewhere about the 'locking children in cages' and '"Trump's" program for separating families' and even though the FACTS come out quickly -- albeit mainly NOT in the MSM -- they just double down and double down (Someone wrote a book on that, didn't he?) but the truth never seems to get through to the idiot-lib/prog/commies I deal with.

I plaintively asked my ("wear a pantsuit to our femininst bookstore and get your photo taken to support our candidate!") cousin: "Doesn't the TRUTH matter?!" But got no answer.

Blogger pyrrhus September 16, 2018 10:26 AM  

@14 That's why I stopped interacting with these people. The truth can never catch up to the ever changing lies...If people haven't learned to doubt media accounts about anything, it's hopeless.

Blogger pyrrhus September 16, 2018 10:27 AM  

@15

Blogger RC September 16, 2018 10:29 AM  

About a year ago my home provider, CenturyLink, started filtering Drudge and a bunch of other bad think sites. This had been going on for over 24 hours when I finally reached network support, only to receive more run around. Those jokers were clearly just jacking with their customer base. Due to some previous work there I had the president's email and fired one off while on the phone with support and told them so. Ten minutes later, all was restored, long before the president could have acted. Scum. SJW technologists must think they're untouchable and, backed by like-minded execs, perhaps they are.

Access to the web is very fragile for most and the high capacity inter-carrier connection points are very limited in number.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd September 16, 2018 10:29 AM  

Avalanche wrote:
I plaintively asked my ("wear a pantsuit to our femininst bookstore and get your photo taken to support our candidate!") cousin: "Doesn't the TRUTH matter?!" But got no answer.


Of course her Truth matters. Of course yours doesn't.

Blogger InformationMerchant September 16, 2018 10:34 AM  

Reddit disappearing /r/GreatAwakening was to be expected. Reddit went downhill very quickly years ago and the 2016 election proved they'd rather the site be destroyed than be useful for the right.

The_Donald's attempt to make Reddit bearable again highlighted all the problems. Obviously, it was nice to convert millions of people for the election, the primary goal of that subreddit was achieved. After the election many people on the right abandoned Reddit.

The algorithm changes, shadowbans, the news subreddits deleting all news that supported our narratives (terrorist attacks could be headline news everywhere but the reddit news boards), r/politics being turned into a Clinton subreddit (remember, Reddit liked Sanders so it wasn't pure left/right bias it was entirely Clinton bias with some crumbs thrown to Sanders people to keep up appearances), The_Donald being forced to stop mentioning other subreddits by name (excuse was it led to brigading), demodding of Trump supporters other subreddits while adding new accounts as mods, the subreddit of the day fuckery and all other absurdities from the top. (Special mention to that time Congress confirmed Reddit admins were trying to hide evidence relating to that guy asking how to delete her emails despite the subpoena.)

In addition to the stupid rules imposed on you, the various other subreddit bans would've clued anyone in that Reddit will either delete your sub or at least apply specific rules to your sub alone if it helps the right.

Admittedly you can reach people outside of your echo chamber like The_Donald did, but the upvote system is not unique. "The simple fact is that /r/GreatAwakening was one of the most vital and important hubs of Q-related activity to date. And now it is gone." Something is very wrong if your vital hub is under hyper partisan control against you. Reddit is worse than twitter.

Blogger James Dixon September 16, 2018 10:38 AM  

> The Internet was designed to be impossible to shut down.

> hose are highly centralized, especially naming and DNS

Yes, DNS and domain registration are the Achilles heel at the moment.

There are ways around both, but they're not readily accessible by normal folks. When the time comes we're need prebuilt programs to redirect people to trustworthy dns and domain name spaces.

> ...and the high capacity inter-carrier connection points are very limited in number.

That will probably be their final line of attack. I'm not sure of the best way to combat that.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 16, 2018 10:41 AM  

"I'm not sure of the best way to combat that."

Our own hardware platforms.

Blogger Pierre Truc September 16, 2018 10:58 AM  

Trump is building his own platform.

Donald Trump is going to text all US mobile phones on Thursday

The test message will be headlined "Presidential Alert" and will go on to read “THIS IS A TEST of the National Wireless Emergency Alert System. No action is needed."

Blogger Jack Ward September 16, 2018 11:44 AM  

@10 Info M

That's it. Thanks. Already subscribed. I'm relieved. Now, I've got to make sure the Castalia notices aren't getting deep sixed by spam filters.

Blogger Random #57 September 16, 2018 12:04 PM  

@8 Ken Prescott:

There is no telling to what extent the Internet is going to go down, but I can assure you that you won't have any warning.

The Internet was designed to be impossible to shut down.


Maybe originally, but it got a lot harder to keep running at all as it exponentially grew, so due to technology developed to survive that, it's now entirely possible to "black hole" sites at the routing level, it happens all the time for short periods due to simple accidents and occasionally state actions. Read up on the Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) for details.

See also how sites can be taken down by DoDS attacks if they can't find a Content Delivery Network to protect them, this is one reason Cloudflare dropped The Daily Stormer when its CEO "woke up on the wrong side of the bed".

Blogger Lovekraft September 16, 2018 12:07 PM  

Here's a good summary of The Banout 2018:

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/9fud2i/rthebanout2018_from_start_to_finish/

Blogger Longtime Lurker September 16, 2018 12:17 PM  

FWIW: Checked my Kindle library. Gun Ghoul Vol. 1-4 are resident. But the original Dark Legion imprint is now clearly visible. Not the new one.

Blogger VD September 16, 2018 12:27 PM  

But the original Dark Legion imprint is now clearly visible. Not the new one.

They haven't nuked the books. They've just blocked it during the update process.

Blogger Dave September 16, 2018 12:46 PM  

My Borrowed Items in KU still show the Gun Ghoul covers with the old logo, but if I click on them Amazon says page not found.

Question is will Amazon restore them to their New Release or Top 100 Sold rankings?

Blogger Dave September 16, 2018 1:41 PM  

The Breaking of the Bat.

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/i-will-break-you-an-oral-history-of-the-batman-knightfall-saga

Blogger Dirk Manly September 16, 2018 2:38 PM  

@1

"u/FartOnToast."

It's ALWAYS the pervs who are the biggest agitators for subverting what's right.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 16, 2018 2:42 PM  

@9

"Not even a HEMP event from a high-yield thermonuclear device would accomplish that."

A California hemp event could cause all kinds of chaos... especially on the most heavily SJW-run sites and communication lines.

Blogger FP September 16, 2018 2:49 PM  

Anyone know of a decent mesh or adhoc network program or OS these days? I know there have been some meant for cell phones in testing. Some frenchies had the "pirate box", that ran off a usb stick on a wifi router. That was meant for file sharing mostly though.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 16, 2018 2:55 PM  

There's the Bee wireless/mesh protocol, but I don't know what sort of range it has.

Blogger Phelps September 16, 2018 3:35 PM  

As a longtime voater, take everything NR is saying with a huge boulder of salt. The reddit cancer mods came in, fucked up the settings on their sub (so that it acted like a containment sub -- no one could gain points, and the posts could never land on v/all -- so they shadowbanned themselves) and then proceeded to ban and delete anyone who posted on their boards telling them this. They then went out to the rest of voat to explain how Very Important and Powerful they all were. Well, the voat reaction to a swinging dick to bite of off, like a goat.

They've since tried to do a 180, revered all the bans, and have now doubled down to "we never wanted to be on voat anyway, it was just temporary until we got set up on 8chan" (where, coincidentally, you can't see what they've been banning, which was their Achilles heel on voat.)

The NR is 100% behind the reddit cancer mods tells me that he's a "pay"triot at best hawking t-shirts, and a fully controlled Clown asset in all likelihood.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 16, 2018 4:17 PM  

In other words, they didn't know the rules of you community.
Nothing you cite as a problem would occur to me to be problematic. They were trying to cope with an emergent situation, one in which they were being outmaneuvered by the probably professional social media manipulators. Your unwritten community rules meant the were unable to even post properly on their own sub.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 16, 2018 4:22 PM  

Oh, and feel free to believe the profe$$ional manipulators. The are in no possible way deepstate assets.

Blogger Dave September 16, 2018 4:23 PM  

From comments ar NR's post:

everlastingphelps
September 15, 2018 at 11:21 am | Reply
Congratulations on being banned at v/theAwakening, Neon. Good thing you have “trusted” mods there.

everlastingphelps
September 15, 2018 at 11:24 am | Reply
Ignore my post. I got taken in by the misspelled forum. Mea Culpa. These are the trolls.



Huh, a Mea Culpa, sorta like Neon to the Voat community in his post:

First, I want to address not just /v/TheAwakening, but the Voat community at large.

Guys, we have to pull a Mea Culpa here. And I hope you’ll extend to us the grace necessary to help course-correct.

Most of us are new to Voat, and as such, we didn’t do enough due-diligence to facilitate this move as best as we could have. We’d been under attack by Reddit admins for a long time, and when they finally pulled the trigger on us, we scrambled to find a viable solution for our community.

Admittedly, some of the systems put in place at Voat were foreign to us, and we didn’t understand the implications of every rule-set enforced by Voat.

Our intention was never to disrupt your beloved site, or your communities. We think it’s awesome that you stand for free speech, and are passionate about the communities you’re involved in – and that’s not just jerking your chain. Believe me, many of us come directly from the chans, so we really do share your sensibilities (and your sense of humor).

In a sign of good faith, going forward, EVERY SINGLE BAN handed out since the inception of the subverse will be reversed.


Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey September 16, 2018 4:39 PM  

I was working at the DoD on 9-11, and on that day the Internet went tango uniform pretty much. It was maddening.

Oh, and btw one of the teams I was working with did produce comic books. They were aimed at the children of the former Yugoslavia, to teach them of the dangers of landmines and unexploded ordinance from the Yugoslavian civil war. They won some humanitarian awards for these comics. This was all being done the US Army. So yes, the American government has long history of producing comic books for propaganda and other purposes.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 16, 2018 5:19 PM  

A friend of mine bought an unlabeled, uninventoried shipping container from a US Army surplus auction. It turned out to contain an offset printing press along with associated equipment, and leftover prints that didn't get distributed. This was mostly comics, including Chinese language sex comics featuring a downed American aviator of prodigious proportions and enormous energy, Korean language comics detailing the great and glorious history of the Korean people, and Vietnamese language comics talking about the horrors of Communist occupation.

They've been at it a long time.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 16, 2018 5:40 PM  

@39

"Oh, and btw one of the teams I was working with did produce comic books. They were aimed at the children of the former Yugoslavia, to teach them of the dangers of landmines and unexploded ordinance from the Yugoslavian civil war. They won some humanitarian awards for these comics. This was all being done the US Army. So yes, the American government has long history of producing comic books for propaganda and other purposes. "

PS Magazine, which is used to get the word out on common maintenance mishaps and how to avoid them, new mandatory work-orders (component upgrades), and other equipment damage reduction issues ("hey troops -- do NOT do this with your $2M piece of equipment, because it makes it useless unless and until this $100,000 part is replaced!"
PS Magazine has always been in comic book form.

One article many moons ago on troops not oiling weapons had a .50 cal machine gun complaining about being fired without adequate lubrication, with a female regular character acknowledging how awful that is.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 16, 2018 5:42 PM  

@40

You never know what you'll find in an Army conex.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 16, 2018 5:52 PM  

Semi-OT, Linux next to be converged:
https://slack-redir.net/link?url=https%3A%2F%2Flkml.org%2Flkml%2F2018%2F9%2F16%2F167&v=3
From Linux' Sunday release email
"Greg Kroah-Hartman (1):
Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it."

Blogger Dave September 16, 2018 5:53 PM  

The DOD created, printed, and distributed comics as propaganda and teaching tools.

A subtle difference is the State Department hiring comic pros as artistic ambassadors and sending them to foreign countries to conduct storytelling, writing, and art classes. They appear to have determined this is an important front in the culture war that we should be fighting in various locations around the world.

Blogger tz September 16, 2018 6:13 PM  

Meanwhile, Chinese nibbling corruption Has entered the AmaZone

I did get some curious messages (how did they get my address) for free stuff if I would just give a 5 star rating.

Now that WestCiv and Christendom has been replaced with amorality (when it isn't full SJW), the Amazon employees feel free to do whatever to make a bit more on the side (see the book "What's wrong with China" - east comes west in this case).

The economic collapse will be epic, predictable, and deserved.

They think they can replace high-trust handshakes with FICO scores and AI analysis. But true honor and integrity cannot be gamed.

A high time pref, low trust society CANNOT function the same as a high-trust, low time pref society, and it is stupid, foolish, and futile to try.

But the globalists idea is based on turning sub Saharan Africans and Latin Americans into Northern Europeans.

Poland, Hungary, Russia and locals can do so (after they purge (((certain elements)))).

That will be the choices America 3.0 (and the multiple different parts) will have to face. High trust needs high penalty for violations. It also needs low time-pref infrastructure, and talk about the Unions all you want, but last hired first fired, vesting in pensions and 30 and out provided 85 IQ people reason and incentive (sometimes a wife) to stick with it. The last three decades have been the destruction of the low time preference institutions.

Blogger Vaughan Williams September 16, 2018 6:49 PM  

They finally got to Linus Torvald's. He announced he is taking a break from Linux for education in empathy and emotional communication. OpenBSD is the last group that hasn't bowed to the SJWs, but they have been largely muzzled. Haven't seen an outburst from Theo de Raadt in almost forever.

The Linux Foundation itself, which employs Linus, had giant "Code of Conduct" posted all over their Open Source Summit last month, with diversity and inclusivity meetups.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 16, 2018 7:01 PM  

@43

"Semi-OT, Linux next to be converged:
https://slack-redir.net/link?url=https%3A%2F%2Flkml.org%2Flkml%2F2018%2F9%2F16%2F167&v=3
From Linux' Sunday release email
"Greg Kroah-Hartman (1):"

Didn't Greg Kroah-Hartman has his commit privs removed for assisting the two asshats behind systemd, modifying the kernel to hide the fact that systemd couldn't handle system messages properly...

I doubt Linus is going to allow any "code of conduct" which prevents him from swearing so vociferously at people like GKH that the very text of an e-mail shatters the screen.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 16, 2018 7:04 PM  

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Blogger Dirk Manly September 16, 2018 7:05 PM  

@46

I revise my previous remark.

Linux is fucked.
Time to fork it.

Blogger James Dixon September 16, 2018 7:07 PM  

> They finally got to Linus Torvald's.

If that's the case then the Linux kernel has at most five years of usability left. That's about how long it will take for the rot to set in and render it unsuitable for its purpose. But let's wait and see what happens.

Of course, systemd was a giant step in the wrong direction, so we've been going downhill for a while now.

Blogger Vaughan Williams September 16, 2018 7:19 PM  

I switched to OpenBSD years ago, where possible. But the "where possible" has been shrinking every year. The Poettering/systemd cancer has been spreading and spreading, the Devuan effort hasn't had enough funding.

I found a testimony by an Oracle executive how Linux was funded by Sun, Oracle, and IBM to the tune of hundreds of software engineers going back 20 years. I remember in the early years even NASA was pitching in. Then around 2006 when Poettering started breaking everything with Pulseaudio, the Oracle executive says that is when Linux was advanced enough that Microsoft saw it as a threat, then it agreed to "play ball" with the other software companies, so those companies backed off on Linux developement. And that is when things suddenly started breaking. Even though Linus Torvalds has a sttrict "no regressions" policy, the userland side wasn't under Linus control.

I saw a presentation where OpenBSD described how badly systemd was messing up the entire Open Source space (not ust Linux) and then Poettering and friend spoke up in a very patronizing and "there there now, you are wrong, nothing to see here" type of way. No facts, no argument, just denial.

Based on outside observation, OpenBSD must have cut some kind of deal; the real work is being done there, and they are mostly keeping their mouths shut in public. When the latest round of bugs in Intel chips came out, the OpenBSD response was very measured compared to the old days when they weren't afraid to call a liar a liar, and a fraud a fraud. Now they just expose the lie and fraud and you can draw your own conclusions.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 16, 2018 8:00 PM  

And the Linux Foundation Code of Conduct is one of the worst I've seen.

Blogger Random #57 September 16, 2018 8:13 PM  

@52 Snidely Whiplash:

And the Linux Foundation Code of Conduct is one of the worst I've seen.

That's the one for events, which evidently got pozzed a while ago. What worse is the brand new one for the project as a whole, replacing Linus' "Code of Conflict", which I've seen claims was committed by a guy who'd previously lost his commit rights due to systemd fuckery.

Go to the bottom, it's explicitly based on the worst there is, Coraline Ada Emeke's, and "she" is doing a victory dance on Twitter ... and of course begging for money.

Blogger Random #57 September 16, 2018 8:18 PM  

Insightful comment from the KiA discussion:

"But it's pretty clear that Linus is being coerced in some way here. Nobody announces that he's seeking therapy if he's doing it to better himself."

Blogger Vaughan Williams September 16, 2018 9:05 PM  

From his post, it sounded to me like Linus just got ground down. Think of Sampson and Delilah. His brain actually didn't want to attend the conference being held in his honor. He had an aversive reaction to it, because of the accumulation of toxic attacks against him. But the Linux Foundation wouldn't let him avoid it, oh no. At great expense and inconvenience to all the people schedule to go to the conference, it was rescheduled and Linus HAD to go. It is Kafkaesque.

Blogger Vaughan Williams September 16, 2018 9:08 PM  

As for what do they hold over Linus? Probably he didn't fail in his OPSEC. Looks more like his legacy and livelihood are at stake. That is what it looks like to me as a semi-outsider who has been around the scene since '96.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 16, 2018 9:10 PM  

As for what do they hold over Linus?
Linux foundation owns Linux.

Blogger By My Greybeard! September 16, 2018 9:13 PM  

Who looks closely at router microcode?

People who work in real-time and controller|microcontroller programming work almost exclusively in Assembler, (...or at least used to...) which is easy to obfuscate.

Without trying I can think of several ways to propagate self-embedding code across the internet's router system to grab control.

The difficult part, in my mind, would be isolating particular nodes **only** for shutdown|bypass and leaving the rest up & receiving traffic.

Blogger Nikephoros II Phokas September 16, 2018 9:19 PM  

@5:

"I know Jeff Bezos is Lefty but I had convinced myself that he was too autistically focused on customer service to allow corporate cancer at Amazon. At least while he runs the place."

Amazon's customer service sucks. Like most corporations, they only took care of their customers long enough to get market share, then they stopped trying.

It's actually shocking how bad customer service in general has gotten in the US over the past few years. As @45 alluded to, they simply do not care anymore.

You're now paying first world prices for third world service. Actually, you can get better service in the Philippines than from the Filipinos that make up the bulk of Amazon's phone reps.

Don't even get me started on the state of the airlines in the US. There's a reason Trump kept bringing up our third world airports during his campaign.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 16, 2018 9:20 PM  

I'm hoping that the Linux foundation told him that they were cutting him out of the project if he continued to berate and abuse contributors.

Blogger Random #57 September 16, 2018 9:33 PM  

@57 Snidely Whiplash:

As for what do they hold over Linus?
Linux foundation owns Linux.


Nobody owns Linux, it's GPLed FOSS. The Linux Foundation is a funnel though which corporations and fund and influence Linux, but they don't "own" it, and if they screw up enough in the next few years, what they do have will be worthless.

The only irreplaceable thing Linux even has is its collection of device drivers, which per Linus' policy do not have a fixed ABI with the rest of the kernel, meaning they regularly rot even with the whole kernel development effort trying to avoid that, and making forking of just the device drivers to put a new kernel on top pointless.

Blogger Vaughan Williams September 16, 2018 9:56 PM  

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Blogger GammaCatch September 16, 2018 10:19 PM  

I just can't believe that Q/Chan page. Wow. I'd say they got hit wit people trying to legitimize the place, but then I read that Mission Statement and, yikes, gotta have a paragraph qualifying Jew hate. Specifically. Damn shame. Mormons? ISLAM? Baptists? Quakers? Naah. It's the Jews. Unreal. EVS and his crew will lose for the usual reason and we'll lose for another.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey September 16, 2018 11:30 PM  

Vox has said that he came to admire philosopher-emperor Marcus Aurelius because of his works, but was led to disappointment because of Aurelius' failure to intelligently arrange for his successor.


The situation is exactly the same for Linus Torvalds. Linus has been an amazing benevolent dictator of the Linux kernel and also his side projects such as git. Linus does not tolerate fools and he has basically done an outstanding job of policing his projects. The temptation to fold, and the incentive to fold, are always out there. Witness one Guido von Rossum, who moved from benevolent dictator of Python to damnable traitor (and got richly rewarded).

The price of freedom is indeed eternal vigilance, and that is a whale of a lot to ask. I can't blame Linus for always having to be the bad cop who is smacking idiots upside the head and tiring of this constant charade.

But in the end, Linus may emerge just like Marcus Aurelius. What happens when the indispensable man withdraws?

Blogger James Dixon September 17, 2018 9:31 AM  

> Linux foundation owns Linux.

The own the trademark, not the code.

> I switched to OpenBSD years ago, where possible.

I think it may be time for me to spin up a virtual machine or two and do some playing.

Blogger James Dixon September 17, 2018 9:38 AM  

Oh, Neon has a new post about 8chan: https://www.neonrevolt.com/2018/09/17/8chan-bootcamp-learning-to-chan-like-a-pro-neonrevolt/

Blogger Dirk Manly September 17, 2018 10:09 AM  

@53

"Go to the bottom, it's explicitly based on the worst there is, Coraline Ada Emeke's, and "she" is doing a victory dance on Twitter ... and of course begging for money."

IT may not be cognizant of this fact, but It is begging for a bullet in its forehead.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 17, 2018 10:14 AM  

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Blogger Dirk Manly September 17, 2018 10:18 AM  

@51

"I found a testimony by an Oracle executive how Linux was funded by Sun, Oracle, and IBM to the tune of hundreds of software engineers going back 20 years. I remember in the early years even NASA was pitching in. Then around 2006 when Poettering started breaking everything with Pulseaudio, the Oracle executive says that is when Linux was advanced enough that Microsoft saw it as a threat, then it agreed to "play ball" with the other software companies, so those companies backed off on Linux developement. And that is when things suddenly started breaking."

@61

"Nobody owns Linux, it's GPLed FOSS. The Linux Foundation is a funnel though which corporations and fund and influence Linux, but they don't "own" it, and if they screw up enough in the next few years, what they do have will be worthless."

Two points:

1: Poettering needs to be, at a minimum, kneecapped, but more appropriately, have his hands crushed to the point of irrepairability, and blunt-force trauma to his head so that after he comes out of his coma, he's never able to program again.

His reign of distruction MUST be put to an end.

2) Afric^H^H^H^H^H^HMicrosoft wins again.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 17, 2018 10:26 AM  

@64

"Witness one Guido von Rossum, who moved from benevolent dictator of Python to damnable traitor (and got richly rewarded)."

Um... what's the story there? What bribe did Guido accept to do what villainy?

Blogger Random #57 September 17, 2018 3:41 PM  

@69 Dirk Manly

Terminating Pottering and his enablers with extreme prejudice before he started Pulse Audio would have been a great plan. Doing it before he started systemd would have been a good plan. Now it's way too late, and this development with the kernel only supplies the other bookend to the decline and fall of Linux.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 17, 2018 3:51 PM  

How much you want to bet that Poettering is receiving even more money from M$ than from his nominal employer, Redhat.

Redhat wants systemd to make it easier to push sales ("you don't need experienced admins! -- no, no, just forget how that whole 'you don't even have to know how to use computers' thing worked out with MS Windows...this time, it's different!"), but I can also see M$ wanting this even more badly, because systemd is turning into svchost.exe -- one gigantic monstrosity that does EVERYTHING... poorly... thereby killing Linux's competetive advantage, in such ways as ... just restarting a service rather than rebooting a machine ... and 2, killing 30+ years of established mechanisms for resolving some problems.)

Blogger Random #57 September 17, 2018 4:14 PM  

@72 Dirk Manly:

The theory I've heard and more favor is that by Red Hat turning most Linux distributions into PotteringOS, Red Hat is steadily eliminating the differentiation between them, making it easier to sell Red Hat licenses, or at least keep more people in their orbit, including with Fedora and CentOS after they bought it.

The thing is, with CentOS, whomever owns it, Linux will always beat Windows when it comes to acquisition costs. Microsoft only wins if maintaining Windows Servers becomes much easier than PotteringOS ones and it can run what you want well, and even then the money for those two purposes generally comes out of different budgets, so the Microsoft proposition is compelling only for those with a relatively small number of servers.

On the other hand, I haven't looked at Azure EC2 equivalent pricing, how much you pay in Windows, SQL Server etc. licensing vs. a virtual bare metal server you can also put Linux on.

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