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Monday, September 24, 2018

When hit pieces go awry

Can you say "Streisand Effect"? 2, 4, 7, 8... imagine what this will look like when we get issues #5, #6, and the first collection out! I suppose they will interpret this as more evidence of our nefarious astroturfing rather than their attempt to discredit us backfiring on them.


Trust the plan. Back the campaign.


UPDATE: After reading the transcript, I'm pretty sure 2VS didn't listen to the whole piece when he praised it as "a fabulous NPR show about The Alt Right in comics." He clearly doesn't realize that he's a bigger, fatter, more vulnerable target for the SJWs than I am, or that they're already coming after him and his fellow ComicsGate Nazis.
Al Letson: All that anger has been rolled up into a hash tag, ComicsGate.

Al Letson: This isn't just about comics, who gets to tell stories and who doesn't, it's also about money. One of the leaders behind ComicsGate has over 80,000 YouTube followers, and he's raised nearly $400,000 for a graphic novel. This is war profiteering in the culture war, and fighting these battles has elevated him from an angry fanboy to a paid provocateur.

UPDATE: AH#1-4 are now four of the top six in the category. Plus CDA#2 and GG#2 in the top ten.

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69 Comments:

Blogger JAU September 24, 2018 4:08 PM  

Crow and strut, brave cockerel, but you'll never unseat the totally legitimate number 1 book, Ms. Marvel.

Blogger Longtime Lurker September 24, 2018 4:09 PM  

Thanks Al.

Thanks Amanda.

Thanks for "force multiplying" the effect of all those hard-earned bucks I donated/am donating to Alt Hero.

Blogger Dave September 24, 2018 4:13 PM  

Awesome, even Gun Ghoul was starting to trend last night. The question I always ask if it's so easy to game Amazon's rankings why isn't everyone doing it? Go ahead, throw together a book or comic and show everybody how easy it is. We'll wait.

Blogger SmockMan September 24, 2018 4:20 PM  

Yeah, don't forget Gun Ghoul is also on Kindle Unlimited or you can buy the collected paperback on amazon.

Blogger Lovekraft September 24, 2018 4:21 PM  

apologies if you've answered this before, VD, but in terms of collected editions that you mention, what type of story arc is Alt-Hero (6-ish, 12-ish)? Should I wait for the 12-ish compilation?

Blogger InformationMerchant September 24, 2018 4:34 PM  

This highlights the problem with "Chuck Dixon's Avalon." The lack of "Alt Hero" in the title means he's missing out on the hitpiece waves. Fortunately this has been corrected with Alt Hero: Q.


[I know.]

Blogger Dave September 24, 2018 4:51 PM  

This highlights the problem with "Chuck Dixon's Avalon." The lack of "Alt Hero"

A recent change is to include 'ALT HERO' on the cover of Avalon issues, just not in the title.

Blogger tz September 24, 2018 4:53 PM  

Captinette Marvel is #1? No. Just No.
Three of the rest are Batman, and only one - killing joke - is enough of a retread classic to be noticed.

Also Alt-hero has been out for a short time and is sustaining its poplarity.

Blogger tz September 24, 2018 4:57 PM  

I wanted to do the indegogo, but I don't see a reward where I would get the hardcopy edition as it was printed - only collectons.
I might do so as long as I get the collection when the first issue is published, but it doesn't seem so, i.e. I have to wait until the last issue in the series is published before getting the collection.

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2018 5:05 PM  

That's because it won't be written until all the issyes are done, tz. That's kind of how "collected issues" works.

Blogger Longtime Lurker September 24, 2018 5:06 PM  

Some days the free advertising copy writes itself: Alt Hero #1 is leading the charge on Amazon today, not the later editions. That means new readers are encountering the series!

Thanks Al.

Thanks Amanda.

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2018 5:07 PM  

This is good on you. The only way to dislodge Ms. Marvel would be for George Soros to run out of other people's money.

Blogger Daniel September 24, 2018 5:08 PM  

MAKE A MANDA A MAGA AGAIN

MAMAMA!

Blogger Wraithburn September 24, 2018 5:42 PM  

I got an email from Amazon with books I might want to buy this afternoon. It was exclusively Alt Hero titles, barring Psyberfrog: A Comics Gate Adventure.

I have not bought one of the Alt Hero books through Amazon. Don't think they're on a list of mine either. Looks like the algorithm is learning.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 24, 2018 5:55 PM  

Regarding Ms. Marvel's sales rank.

While I am certain that it's sales rank of roughly 1,100 is accurate, (shocker it spiked after the article). I am now certain that A9 has been ordered to push it...HARD.

It's views are way outside of the box.

The only thing similar I've seen, that I've kept track of is titles published by 47 North.

@Vox, let me guess, if I was looking at you now, I'd be seeing your shocked face.

Blogger VD September 24, 2018 6:01 PM  

I have to wait until the last issue in the series is published before getting the collection.

Yes, we can't afford to ship each of the six issues separately without making the reward price too high. So, your best bet is to simply buy the single issue hardcopies when they come out.

Blogger VD September 24, 2018 6:01 PM  

It's views are way outside of the box.

Where do you see those stats?

Blogger Ray September 24, 2018 6:07 PM  

There are third party Websites that give you an estimate of how many units are being sold per a category in Amazon. They are used by marketplace sellers to figure out does it make sense or not to sell.

Blogger Timmy3 September 24, 2018 6:15 PM  

That’s pretty good although Ms Marvel is number one. I will skip the Ms Marvel movie. She isn’t even hot.

Blogger Frank Lin September 24, 2018 6:18 PM  

I'm confused. Are you a massive threat or do you have to resort to astroturfing?

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 24, 2018 6:26 PM  

VD wrote:It's views are way outside of the box.

Where do you see those stats?



I can't honestly call them stats. They are my own observations for four different amazon accounts, I have access to.

Regardless, the slightest interest in Ms. Marvel gets that book Viewed almost constantly on the front page of those accounts.

It doesn't feel like the regular, "Also Boughts" or "Customer Also Vieweds."

This is all very scientific I know.

But we also know just how "sticky" stuff published by 47 North is in Amazon sales ranks and this feels just like that.

Blogger Dave September 24, 2018 6:33 PM  

There are third party Websites that give you an estimate of how many units are being sold

Amazon appears to be removing the ability for third parties to continue this process; or if they do they can only use the data internally.

I've used NovelRank for years but this happened recently: "In August 2018, Amazon canceled our affiliate accounts as well as our API access (how we collected sales rank data), stating we violated their Code of Use. "Specifically, you are using our Content for reasons other than sending end users and sales to the Amazon Site." I know this is heartbreaking for those who have come to depend on the service. It's also heartbreaking for me as this was my job, my income, and it happened weeks after my wedding (first marriage!). I'm just as disappointed as you probably are."

Is there a competitor you can recommend?
I was the last one standing and also the largest target; I can't recommend another tracking website. Businesses can still purchase the Enterprise software and run it privately.


Any recommendations? Anybody?

Blogger Dave September 24, 2018 6:46 PM  

This might be a survivor:

S.R.E. Bounces Back
Sept. 18, 2018

Sales Rank Express has managed to regain most of the functionality it lost recently due to changes in Amazon policies. All previously available countries are available again, with the exception of Japan. Weekly charts have been restored, though without the link to NovelRank for more historical reporting.

S.R.E. Hunkers Down
Sept. 1, 2018

Due to changes in Amazon policies, Sales Rank Express will no longer be able to offer weekly charts or, for most countries, to offer data at all.


http://www.salesrankexpress.com/

Blogger Taqiyyotomist September 24, 2018 6:49 PM  

Remember when GWB was the most evilest evil, conniving, intelligent bumbling clown chimp who can't even tie his shoe laces in late 2001? Good times.

That's where Vox's people and Trump (but I repeat myself) are right now: super-complete idiots who are so crafty they can get away with 9/11, misspell potatoe, and give us all Dutch Elm disease at the same time, through our Wi-Fi and Russian virii, while reading "My Pet Goat" to a grade-school class while the Towers fall.

There really is nothing new under the sun. SJW Always. "He's an idiot! He's a genius!" I'd be pulling my own brain out through my ear if I believed both of those things at the same time. It's a divide-by-zero error.

Yet they believe the same things about their own "side" (as they call it).

Women and PoC are empowered!* Women and PoC are weak and need protection!

NPR and anti-CG are more intelligent than everyone!* NPR and anti-CG can't figure out how to cheat national elections and Amazon!

(*"And yet, and yet..." -- Elie Weisel)

I don't know whether the acceptance of cognitive dissonance in ones own mind is the creation of God or the devil.

Blogger Uncle John's Band September 24, 2018 7:34 PM  

They've gaslit themselves into believing they matter. For many, their criticism is an endorsement.

Blogger Lazarus September 24, 2018 8:13 PM  

Taqiyyotomist wrote:I don't know whether the acceptance of cognitive dissonance in ones own mind is the creation of God or the devil.

They learned it from the (((pros))).

Blogger Double E September 24, 2018 8:21 PM  

They simultaneously claim you have enough fans to game all your titles to #1, and then claim it's suspicious how you can raise so much money crowdfunding.

Blogger Doomfinger September 24, 2018 8:24 PM  

Got a response from Amazon: "I've researched this issue and found that all 4 of the Gun Ghoul comics are still on Amazon.com."

Yeah... they are now, but they weren't...

Blogger Brett baker September 24, 2018 8:33 PM  

"Math is hard" Double E!

Blogger Roy Stalin September 24, 2018 8:45 PM  

That comment by 2V$ regarding Chuck Dixon really sticks in my craw since I'm old enough to remember when Comicsgate (TM) was supposed to be about creators having the freedom to make comics without being bullied about their political views or of those with whom they choose to work.

Blogger Matt September 24, 2018 9:53 PM  

"This is war profiteering in the culture war..."

Yes, as we well know the only honorable way to fight a culture war is to print drivel, lose money, and try to make up the difference selling cruise tickets.

Blogger Jay in DC September 24, 2018 10:05 PM  

Highly on topic / relevant, this a good related read:

https://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/captain-unmarvelous/

Blogger Jay in DC September 24, 2018 10:12 PM  

Caveat: The author is on topic, but I don't think he actually knows much about comic books other than they are pretty shyte at the moment. Because he is bitching about Cap. Marvel being female but the role has flip flopped between male/female for ages.

That being said, still on topic. :-)

Blogger FP September 24, 2018 10:16 PM  

War profiteering? Talk about a dog whistle. Shine on you crazy government funded diamonds.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz September 24, 2018 10:56 PM  

Jay in DC wrote:Highly on topic / relevant, this a good related read:

https://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/captain-unmarvelous/


James brings up a good point about old books and being forced to discover the older works of fiction.

I noticed this big time in science fiction and sci-fi-ish stuff. I bought a couple of books of short stories in the mid 2000s and they were horrible. The writing is absolutely terrible. There were at least 5 major releases that I looked at on my lunch break and they were just terrible.

They absolutely destroyed Sci-Fi. Since they captured the awards and major publishers and reviewers, it's just very difficult to find good stuff because nobody is talking about it. But, I ended up reading about 200 books or so that I would have never otherwise even knew about.

Blogger Nate73 September 24, 2018 11:38 PM  

I don't know much about amazon's algorithm, is there a way to estimate the sales of Ms. Marvel to compare?

Blogger SciVo September 25, 2018 12:40 AM  

Nota bene: I have a digital copy of Ms. Marvel Vol. 1: No Normal and probably so do you, since it was in the 2015 Hugo Voter Packet.

Blogger buscaraons September 25, 2018 1:26 AM  

@35

Regress harder is a mantra of both Pulprev and SuprverversiveSF.

Last month Alexandru Consantiu (aka barbarianbookclub.com) kicked off a pre Tolkien fantasy challenge. Read 3 fantasy stories written before 1954 and review them. The challengewas popular and a lot of people took part in it.
There was a minor brew up between Jeffro (aka the authour of Appendix N ) and commentators over the contention that Tolkien sucked compared to Dursay.

All in all, it was very exciting and a lot of fun to read through the comments and reviews from many of the participants.

Blogger Nihil Dicit September 25, 2018 2:16 AM  

@34 - Do dog whistles work when they make no sense, especially when the person using said dog whistle doesn't even understand the phrase they're spouting?

Blogger Daniel September 25, 2018 2:33 AM  

Two-Face is so two-faced he doesn't even realize when he slaps himself.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 25, 2018 3:06 AM  

Nate73 wrote:I don't know much about amazon's algorithm, is there a way to estimate the sales of Ms. Marvel to compare?

Hell no. Amazon is the biggest data hoarder on the planet.

That said, it's pretty easy to identify certain patterns.

When you self publish on KDP, the A9 will prioritize you for 30 days. Then it puts you on a back burner. After sixty days you fall off the map.

The end result of this is a new golden age of pulp fiction.

However, Amazon does play favorites and they are easy to spot.

The Paper Magician published by 47 North in 2014. Its a decent little book but it's rank at 111 is absurd for a four year old E-book.

Oh, did I fail to mention that 47 North is owned by Amazon? I'm sure I meant to. It's their SFF house.

Clearly and obviously, the A9 is still pushing that one hard.

Now Ms. Marvel is not a self published work and that does make a difference because of applied marketing muscle. But it's rank of 879 is way too high for a four year old book.

The A9 is giving it some love.

Blogger Shimshon September 25, 2018 4:38 AM  

I'm only listening to this now. It was good for many chuckles. The level of horror felt by the host is much more palpable than in the transcript. They literally inhabit a different universe.

Did Al Letson actually talk to Amanda Robb? The editing sounds like he's asking her questions, but they were recorded separately from her answers.

Blogger Mahorka September 25, 2018 4:47 AM  

Ms Marvel is #879 in Kindle store and even A Dance with Dragons #5,467? Of course, ADwD has been out for three more years and costs a grand total of... ten cents more? That's where the difference comes from.

Blogger Desdichado September 25, 2018 7:57 AM  

I do like that turn of phrase to describe Scriver: war profiteering in the culture war. That explains people like him a lot better than one of "our guys."

Blogger Peter Gent September 25, 2018 8:06 AM  

Mahorka wrote:Ms Marvel is #879 in Kindle store and even A Dance with Dragons #5,467? Of course, ADwD has been out for three more years and costs a grand total of... ten cents more? That's where the difference comes from.
The upcoming movie would also spark interest in the title.

Blogger Taqiyyotomist September 25, 2018 8:10 AM  

@42

Did Al Letson actually talk to Amanda Robb? The editing sounds like he's asking her questions, but they were recorded separately from her answers.

That's why NPR is not "talk radio", and can't even compare. I realized this many, many years ago. It is highly-edited, highly-scripted stuff. It's also part of the reason they went with FM radio over AM radio. With FM, they can have more stations, with more studios, which means more $money$ and "talent" from more universities, both on- off-air talent. Ten AM stations can cover the entire continent. Michigan alone needs at least half a dozen whole entire studios and related infrastructure for NPR to cover it with FM.

Every single conversation. EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION on NPR is not a conversation, but a long, carefully-engineered, well-financed edit, if only you have the ear to hear it. And most people I know don't have that ear, at all. They all think they're listening to live banter between two people, live.

You hit my buttons with that comment, Shimshon. So spot-on.

Limbaugh didn't need 10 stations in each state. He blew away NPR with only 10 stations nationwide. That was the beauty of AM radio. WLS alone covers 1/4 of the country, or more. FM just doesn't have the range, which means they need more stations, people, and funding, which is why they picked it over AM. They claimed it was just because of Stereophonic Hi-Fi Sound. That was bull.

Every conversation on NPR is essentially fake, and they're not even intelligent enough engineers to make it sound like it's not.

Blogger Taqiyyotomist September 25, 2018 8:18 AM  

It would be easy enough to make the average NPR "conversation" sound like it's not fake, and is actually live.

But they don't do it. They probably accuse Rush and the rest of AM talk of doing that, too, because SJW Always.

They could have that 110-year-old woman of theirs, Diane Reim, accidentally slap the microphone or burp or banter with her engineer every now and then, or talk about her computer's foibles, off the cuff. But they don't. They're too stupid to make it sound real, and they also know that most of their audience is too stupid to know the difference.

Blogger Silent Draco September 25, 2018 8:26 AM  

Go, the stereophonic argument was correct. That was an artifact of (((screwing))) over the Army captain who invented FM and held many of the patents, by moving it up out of commercially lucrative frequencies. Think WLS or WABC with FM/PM signal quality, and ability to propagate across country off the ionosphere.

The rest of this is spot on. I considered the languorous as sedative use, but the over-rehearsal and over editing is better. NPR is Narrative and lecture, never conversation, never a pause or hesitation between ideas.

Blogger SouthRon September 25, 2018 8:39 AM  

Every single conversation. EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION on NPR is not a conversation, but a long, carefully-engineered, well-financed edit, if only you have the ear to hear it. And most people I know don't have that ear, at all. They all think they're listening to live banter between two people, live.

You're spot on. My father's an audio engineer and even putting aside the progressive drivel I could never bear to listen to their broadcasts due to the heavily and poorly edited content.

The one family member that always listened to the shite because it's what the smart people do, has been thoroughly programmed and is now proudly not-one-of-those Christians and utterly triggered by Trump as a social conservative.

Which makes me realize that the clowns in charge of editing know exactly what they are doing.

Blogger Taqiyyotomist September 25, 2018 8:42 AM  

@48 Draco

I considered the languorous as sedative use, but the over-rehearsal and over editing is better. NPR is Narrative and lecture, never conversation, never a pause or hesitation between ideas.

Thank you for being as concise as I couldn't be. Well-put.

Blogger VD September 25, 2018 8:45 AM  

The upcoming movie would also spark interest in the title.

Wrong character. Not possible.

Blogger SouthRon September 25, 2018 8:50 AM  

It's also the reason for the languorous, sedative quality. It bypasses the defenses and worms its way into the subconscious.

Blogger Taqiyyotomist September 25, 2018 9:41 AM  

Imagine Diane Reims speaking Ice-T's lyrics from "Drama", very slowly.

"Four in the morning. Lights in my face. That's the time. You know the place."

I can imagine her speaking Megadeth lyrics, in the same, slow, languorous way only she can do. We're told it's a speech impediment, (and therefore we should all be ashamed for not trying hard enough to understand it) but I'm still convinced it's an affectation, like Madonna's British accent -- she's old, so she must therefore be super-intelligent, if we could only slow down our thought processes enough to follow her snailish progress through the languague. Or like Stephen Hawking, who still hasn't realized, even though he's superintelligent or something, that there exist really good, understandable voice synthesizers that were made after the mid-80s. Hawking does it on purpose, and I think Reims does, too, and both for the same elitist, you're-all-idiots reasons.

I could be wrong.

Blogger Taqiyyotomist September 25, 2018 9:47 AM  

I bet Hawking gets robo-calls that he thinks are real, and which determine that he's a robot.

I'm like, "Do you want your students to understand you, Professor? Or do you want to continue to use S.A.M. for the C=64, and sound like something prior to "WarGames". We're not the idiots, here, Prof.

Blogger Peter Gent September 25, 2018 9:57 AM  

VD wrote:The upcoming movie would also spark interest in the title.

Wrong character. Not possible.

You are so right! Brain fart, sorry. Ms. Marvel, not Captain Marvel.

Blogger Bogey September 25, 2018 10:19 AM  

How many issues do you need to sell to get in the top 10? I heard Mike S Miller say you only need to sell a few hundred issues to get a digital comic to be a best seller.

Blogger VD September 25, 2018 10:31 AM  

How many issues do you need to sell to get in the top 10?

Depends upon the category. But yes, in general, a few hundred copies is sufficient.

Blogger Sagramore September 25, 2018 10:49 AM  

muh weaponizing comics

Yeah, just as the US Government did in WWII.

Blogger Sagramore September 25, 2018 10:53 AM  

@24 Shrub started an unpopular war, so the digs were somewhat justified. Trump Derangement Syndrome is several orders of magnitude larger and, what? Because of few craters on a runway in Syria?

What happened during the Obama years was unearned promotion of children to adulthood, and this is the result. They really are immature, damaged children, more to be pitied than laughed at.

Blogger Longtime Lurker September 25, 2018 10:58 AM  

NPR's canned narrative approach is to the ears what pastel is to the eyes - an insidious means of mood manipulation.

I'd rather listen to a rainstorm.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz September 25, 2018 10:59 AM  

SouthRon wrote:The one family member that always listened to the shite because it's what the smart people do,

Smart people vote democrat because reality has a liberal bias. And smart sophisticated people love modern art. And really smart people hate their nation...
Self-serving drivel. Funny how that works... smart people agree with me

Blogger Sagramore September 25, 2018 11:01 AM  

@46 CBC Radio turned into NPR after the 2005 lockout. With both, what you have is an overproduced radio play featuring the best talking heads that the producer (always a woman or minority) knew from college or from their knitting circle or from activism.

For example: there's a dictionary editor who's friends with Scalzi that is always called upon for comments on newspeak due to his Chicago gay activism background. There are hundreds of dictionary editors, but they always seem to choose him. (This is not a comment on quality, just nepotism.)

The last time I tried to get back into radio I was told point blank by an old pot smuggler turned documentarian that unless I got to know someone really well, joined a sekrit club or belonged to a certain tribe, I would not get work on the CBC.

If you followed Lunar Archivist during GamerGate you've seen the results, as well as a sharp contrast between attitudes in ombudspersons in the English and RadCan (francophone) side regarding ethics in gerbilism.

Blogger Longtime Lurker September 25, 2018 11:15 AM  

@61: NPR - National Privilege Radio - Unearned Moral Superiority for Lazy People

Blogger Astrosmith September 25, 2018 11:18 AM  

I know that it shouldn't, but it continues to amaze me that these people actually care so much about the fact that you (or anyone else) are producing something that they don't happen to like.

Who cares?

If you don't like Alt-Hero, don't buy it, and don't read it. I'm certainly not buying and reading the SJW-infested comics, but I don't want them banned.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 25, 2018 12:20 PM  

Taqiyyotomist wrote:Every single conversation. EVERY SINGLE CONVERSATION on NPR is not a conversation, but a long, carefully-engineered, well-financed edit, if only you have the ear to hear it. And most people I know don't have that ear, at all.
I hadn't occurred to me that people couldn't hear that NPR doesn't actually do interviews. I mean, there's not even any overlong pauses. Every response is immediate, detailed and thorough, and the next question is always at the ready.

But MPAI, and NPR does use skilled producers.

Blogger Killua September 25, 2018 12:34 PM  

Congratulations! Alt Hero is gonna shake the genre!!

Blogger Taqiyyotomist September 25, 2018 3:03 PM  

@65 Snidely

...NPR does use skilled producers.

But not skilled enough to make it sound like it's not fake. Or maybe they ARE skilled enough -- because I agree they are skilled -- but not intelligent enough.

@64 Astrosmith

If you don't like Alt-Hero, don't buy it, and don't read it. I'm certainly not buying and reading the SJW-infested comics, but I don't want them banned.

That right there is the big difference between Fascism and us.

Vox, if I may suggest a title for your fourth, seminal work in the SJWA series? "SJW Always."

Everything we see them do, is what they always do. Not just Lie, Double Down, and Project -- but everything else, too. Since the Garden of Eden.

Blogger Taqiyyotomist September 25, 2018 3:05 PM  

"SJW Come for Naught but to Kill, and to Steal, and to Destroy" might be too long a title.

Blogger Dirk Manly September 26, 2018 12:05 PM  

And of course, there's always the pseudo-intellectualism on NPR.

Like the 20-ish Indian (dot) girl telling the listeners about her recently-arrived family's "Thanksgiving traditions." And of course, she's suuuuuuuuuuuuch a deeeeeep thinker.

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