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Monday, October 29, 2018

A flawed business strategy

Mike Cernovich recognizes that while the deplatforming craze among the converged corporations is a bad thing, there is a silver lining in even the darkest cloud.
I blocked Gab's CEO months ago as he was reporting accounts on Twitter to try get people banned. That was his business strategy. He's a piece of sh-t with no vision or leadership. He should still be able to run his hell hole website, and it's unfortunate he can't.

True story. Gab's CEO was reporting accounts to Twitter for "hate speech." He tried getting me banned, thinking I'd post to his shithole website where people called my beautiful daughter a "mud baby."

Gab is garbage.

And it has a right to exist.

What happened today is bad.
Sometimes bad things happen to bad people. That doesn't mean that what has happened to them is positive. Life isn't math.

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78 Comments:

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira October 29, 2018 1:08 PM  

Torba is cringe.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora October 29, 2018 1:11 PM  

Torba is scandalous. He was being criticized by Alt Retards over something and they were questioning his commitment to free speech. Obviously entirely coincidentally a few days later he went all in on attacking you. Personally I hope they fail. Gabbage in gabbage out.

Blogger Gregory the Great October 29, 2018 1:14 PM  

And the bad people will complain and whine and wonder until the end of their unenlightened lives why bad things happened to them.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) October 29, 2018 1:14 PM  

Life isn't math.

If life is hard and math is hard, life is math, according to Barbie logic.

Blogger Gregory the Great October 29, 2018 1:18 PM  

Cernovich wrote:
"Gab is garbage. And it has a right to exist."
Yes, but only because others must have bad examples to learn from.

Blogger camcleat October 29, 2018 1:19 PM  

It was pretty incredible at the time seeing both Torba and Ustav join the swarm and attack not only Voxand SB, but also anyone that dared question what they were doing.

Their behavior turned me off Gab; still hate to see it go

It was fun for a while and made some contacts there I don't regret at all. Important lesson for the next attempt: a Twatter alternative can work; it just needs to be run by someone with some sense and longer time preference than then next ten minutes.

Blogger Matt Sellitto October 29, 2018 1:31 PM  

Did Torba really do that? Report people for hate speech on Twitter hoping they would join Gab after they were banned?

If so that is a really dick move. To think I once contemplated donating to Gab at one point. So glad I did not.

Blogger maniacprovost October 29, 2018 1:37 PM  

Did Torba really do that? Report people for hate speech on Twitter

You would have no way of knowing that unless he admitted to it.

Blogger Astrosmith October 29, 2018 1:39 PM  

So... anyone know if there's another Twitter alternative in the works?

Blogger James Dixon October 29, 2018 1:42 PM  

> Their behavior turned me off Gab;

It made clear to me they weren't an organization worth backing with money. I still used it until today. It's now down and we'll have to wait and see if it comes back up.

> ...still hate to see it go

> still hate to see it go

Yeah, it was a useful site.

Blogger John Regan October 29, 2018 1:42 PM  

"Life isn't math."

Stealing this.

Blogger MendoScot October 29, 2018 1:49 PM  

It was useful to keep an eye on the alt-retards. And amusing to see how inept the gab team were at dealing with them.

Blogger Jackson Peds October 29, 2018 1:52 PM  

OT but, Trump cuts $10.000.000 funds that the Hussein Chimpama administration gifted to (((Antifa))) and other Soros based NGOs.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/346552-trump-cut-funds-to-fight-anti-right-wing-violence

Oh, I hope he redirects those funds to Proud Boys and Anti-Antifags groups.

Stay, winning, guys!

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener October 29, 2018 1:56 PM  

You would have no way of knowing that unless he admitted to it.

I've had several accounts there suspended and I never saw any indication of who reported me.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 29, 2018 2:04 PM  

I wonder if this is part of that stat about most new businesses failing. The utter lack of common sense and narcissism.

Blogger Jack Ward October 29, 2018 2:09 PM  

@9 Astrosmith. Had the same basic question to blog/Vox yesterday. Vox said an alternative is in the works and to be patient. So, I shall be patient. When HIS version of twitter gets on line I will be in hook line and sinker.
You know in a fishing world it's usually hook/line/sinker/ and, cork.

Blogger David The Good October 29, 2018 2:29 PM  

I had over 1,000 followers on Gab when I left. Torba was too toxic.

Blogger Franz Lyonheart October 29, 2018 2:31 PM  

Had the same basic question to blog/Vox yesterday. Vox said an alternative is in the works and to be patient.

The Ilk are itching to get going.

The VFM are biting at the bits and jerking their necks at the leash.

Blogger Gregory the Great October 29, 2018 2:34 PM  

"A flawed business strategy" is definitely an understatement if you look at this disgusting form of client acquisition.

Blogger Garuna October 29, 2018 2:37 PM  

The moment Torba started le memeing, it was predestined to end this way.

Blogger Peaceful Poster October 29, 2018 2:38 PM  

Even if Torba was less toxic, even if he had followed VD's advice about reasonable censorship, methinks the outcome would have been the same.

Shutting him down was inevitable.

Blogger maniacprovost October 29, 2018 2:38 PM  

The Ilk are itching to get going.

The VFM are biting at the bits and jerking their necks at the leash.


No one is holding us back from creating a distributed social media platform, or a tightly centralized one either.

I think that there are just a Avery limited number of ilk capable of such a thing.

There are elements of such a thing that require genius and a basic grounding in computer science. Hobbyist level.

There are also elements that require domain expertise, programming experience, and hard work, but no genius.

Then there is the marketing and community management.

Money.

Server administration.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma October 29, 2018 2:39 PM  

Is it the way Mikey paints it? or was Torba going along with Verified Hate - a now banned account highlighting the fact that verified twitter users' explicit hate against white people was left untouched, while factual data or mere innuendo about a Protected Class gets shut down.

What specifically are you talking about, Mike?

Blogger Tars Tarkusz October 29, 2018 2:43 PM  

This accusation by Cernovich needs some collaboration. I don't trust Cernovich's word on anything. This is a serious accusation. How does he know this?

Cernovich is a cuck. He virtue signals on Twitter.

Blogger CM October 29, 2018 2:45 PM  

Huh. I was wondering what matriarchal logic would look like...

Blogger Azimus October 29, 2018 2:49 PM  

Classic micro-management behavior. Guy should've hired a CEO he's not cut out for it

Blogger John Calla October 29, 2018 3:00 PM  

@21 Even if Torba was less toxic, even if he had followed VD's advice about reasonable censorship, methinks the outcome would have been the same.

Shutting him down was inevitable.


Of course. Twitter was not going to abide having an upstart competitor. The Silicon Valley companies work together.

Blogger Bultz October 29, 2018 3:02 PM  

What I'm interested to find out is how Gab are "working with the FBI", and whether that is going to involve handing over private user data

Blogger Daniel October 29, 2018 3:04 PM  

If he had followed the advice he was given, he would not have been dependent on SJW resources, and could not have been so easily deplatformed.

Blogger R Webfoot October 29, 2018 3:18 PM  

A social media aggregator could be useful... if you can get it to read from and post to social media sites, the hook would be that they can manage their Facebook and Twitter and Instagram in one place. And follow their friends on those websites all at once. .... And if their friends have an aggregate account and add minds.com or Idka, they can follow them there without even signing up... and if they drop Facebook they would still be in touch...

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 29, 2018 3:23 PM  

"A social media aggregator could be useful... if you can get it to read from and post to social media sites"

The catch would be that it would either be in bed with those media sites, or be blocked/shut down by them (even if not because of malicious intent on their parts, rather because it ran something similar to a DDoS attack on their servers as a matter of course in order to update all its aggregated info streams).

The endgame is always going to be that we have to build our own stuff.

Blogger Justin Bailey October 29, 2018 3:24 PM  

It's been amusing to watch Torba the last year or so flap in the breeze, desperately trying to prove to everyone that Gab is mainstream and ready for primetime and totally not just for nazis you guys while simultaneously making stupid and obvious mistakes. I think his dream of being bought out and retiring as a billionaire is over.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 29, 2018 3:31 PM  

Specifically positive, generally negative.

Blogger R Webfoot October 29, 2018 3:38 PM  

"rather because it ran something similar to a DDoS attack on their servers as a matter of course in order to update all its aggregated info streams"

Ah, a good design question. Well, the idea I had in mind was that it would interface with Facebook or Twitter like an ordinary web browser, so it wouldn't send or receive info any faster than an ordinary browser, and then present the posts from the various websites how the user wishes.

Although that would be an issue with the ReAlg idea, in which it would optionally aggregate around Facebook's algorithms by loading a page directly and adding it all to the relevant feeds, instead of hiding whatever Facebook deems unimportant. But that would require extra pageviews, depending.

Blogger Unknown October 29, 2018 3:38 PM  

@28

Probably means involving turning over anything they have in relation to the user account in question in response to requests by Federal LEO. This is usually in response to federal subpoenas, but I don't know if investigators have asked for them or not. Gab could be volunteering it on their own initiative.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 29, 2018 3:41 PM  

Torba and Gab make me think of those cautionary 1950s movies, where someone warns a high school kid that he's hanging around with the wrong crowd, and he goes all "Don't tell me what to do!" and hangs out with them more until all his old friends start avoiding him, and eventually the bad crowd gets him to steal a car to knock over a liquor store and he ends up in jail while the rest of the gang is off drinking the booze and laughing at what a sucker he is.

Blogger Bultz October 29, 2018 3:53 PM  

@35 I'm guessing one of the reasons the site has been taken down by Gab is to prevent people from deleting their accounts

Blogger S1AL October 29, 2018 3:53 PM  

"I had over 1,000 followers on Gab when I left. Torba was too toxic."

Torba has effectively proven the difference between being a fighter and being an edgelord, and why the latter is the stupid option.

Blogger David Ray Milton October 29, 2018 4:03 PM  

It’s amazing what i’ve learned about Gab in the last 48 hours. I left six months ago because no one would argue with me unless I posted something mean about Boomers.

I’m thankful I didn’t invest more time there in light of what I’ve heard about Torba.

However, from observing Cernovich on Twitter, he does seem to have a special disdain for anyone to the right of him. I wouldn’t rule out him throwing gasoline on the Gab fire with so much of the Alt on Gab.

Blogger Lance E October 29, 2018 4:13 PM  

His stubborn dependence on SJW-controlled platforms is an interesting part of the equation. As others have said, he was warned. I think he got a perverse thrill out of being on their platforms, as if he was stickin' it to the man. There was no excuse for still being dependent on GoDaddy after they'd openly deplatformed the exact same alt-retards he was giving a voice to.

Blogger steb October 29, 2018 4:14 PM  

Astrosmith wrote:So... anyone know if there's another Twitter alternative in the works?

Oneway is close to being released as open source. When that happens, anyone can set up a Oneway server and accounts on different servers will be able to communicate with each other. There could be a Castalia House instance.
Collaborating with someone else makes a lot more sense than setting up independently.

Blogger Pierre Truc October 29, 2018 4:41 PM  

Gregory the Great wrote:others must have bad examples to learn from.

Indeed, Gab and Torba remind me of this demotivator poster which says, "The purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others."

We should gift this to Torba. Maybe on a mug?

Blogger Matthew McDaniel October 29, 2018 4:58 PM  

Despite what many in the AltRight say, associations DO matter.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 29, 2018 5:14 PM  

Someone is off his meds.

Blogger LP999-16 October 29, 2018 5:29 PM  

Gab - I'm still unhappy and vastly unsupportive of Amazon to youtube over jacking with Roosh and others.

Thank you Mike:

Mike said what I was wanting to rant about for a while now.

I guess my silver lining about those works I enjoy is that its just PR desperate sjws like godaddytwitterpaypal etc., are mere corps and its not the IRS as these are personal vendettas against innocent men and women whom done nothing wrong, broke not one law!

Their sin? Innocent people on the real right have these things called views, a following and write books/do podcasts - that are wonderful radio in that so many content creators on the decent right of genx to the younger people should be inducted into the radio hall of fame not silenced or hoaxed on.

I highly recommend Cerno's channel at bigyoutube or peri, its good listening and Mike successfully went after those whom were threatening those around him.

I noted several sock accts at gab that went after several other women not just Mr. and Mrs. Day experienced, Gab DID nothing to defend an innocents while claim to be all pro family.


Twitar and Gab (to others) are trash, its fine others I do like are there, more power to them but I have no expectations of sanity, order, even kindness or mere conflict resolution from techfirms.

No confidence ever. Let them lose money more of the left will be consumed with nothing but facebook time and leftwing trolling 24/7. I just dont understand how they live, doesn't anyone work? I have bills, my sick father and I struggle but we trust God not some little kid from Gab or creep at twitter.

The left, the larger internet and American tv systems just cannot accept an election and I have no expectation of any decorum or restraint from the altretards and alt crazy left for this month or ever again.

As for the fans of JP sending Vox messages over a simple mere book regarding the guy, the left along with them needs to stop messing with piils and the internet, hit the gym, get a woman and a life - whatever.

Mark Dice is reporting Kayne West is doing a clothing line called blackexit ***BLEXIT*** like greekexit from EU to help stop the sickness of the left. Walk Away from Crazy, TRUMP 2020.

Blogger John Calla October 29, 2018 5:33 PM  

@43 Despite what many in the AltRight say, associations DO matter.

True... but to the Left, even supporting the President is the equivalent of being Literally Hitler and is reason enough to be completely de-platformed. Just look at how reddit is run. That's the future for all of tech. And probably every other industry too.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants October 29, 2018 5:38 PM  

No, he didn't. Whatever you want to think of him, Cerno shouldn't be spreading lies like this, but he never seems to be able to stop himself, for some unknown reason.

Blogger David Sims October 29, 2018 5:52 PM  

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Blogger LP999-16 October 29, 2018 6:03 PM  

Vox tried to help and advise Gab's mgmt at no charge to my knowledge to be kind and helpful and Mr. and Mrs. Day were treated terribly.

Flawed business strategies will fail or firstly cost the internet tech firms millions; they do not care what money they lose, CNN is on their side in that their coverage is so crazy it is truly like that saying, "Only in America," some people really believe you should check your white privlege, the family is bad, children are terrible to have and rear - God is only Good when they want God, when they want funding, wake up fence sitters. Election is 11/6, stop worrying about what isn't important, God has it done and solved, before we even ask, He has a solution!

The caravan trying to come to the USA will be stopped, Brazil just voted in Brazil for Brazil with the bible to back it, Angela's UN loving party in Germany lost power, people are awake. In OH along the steel Appalachian area of the northeast will be making a amazing return, the matter of immigration and social media abuse is what Americans are now aware of. WV is rocking with so many pieces of good news.

If you follow Cerno's work, he addressed the greater serious real threats, those threats were not free speech or jokes the threats were not PR or "just kidding" idiots.

The Lord watches and waits to save people.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 6:39 PM  

@31

"The catch would be that it would either be in bed with those media sites, or be blocked/shut down by them (even if not because of malicious intent on their parts, rather because it ran something similar to a DDoS attack on their servers as a matter of course in order to update all its aggregated info streams).

The endgame is always going to be that we have to build our own stuff."

But to twitter or facebook or whatever, such an aggregator would look no different than any one visiting an individual's page. And that's assuming that the aggregator doesn't just hand links to the viewer's own web browser (each one, say, within it's own frame).

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 6:40 PM  

So, in the end, each of those sites would see about the same amount of traffic as before... maybe slight rise in views.

Blogger L October 29, 2018 6:56 PM  

Seems to me that reporting SJWs to Twitter when they utter "hate speech" is a fair tactic. As long as one limits to reporting SJWs and the like.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 7:54 PM  

@L

You are making the mistake that an SJW "Trust & Safety Council" is going to do ANYTHING to a fellow SJW (First of all, the SJW is almost always going to be writing hateful things about non-SJW's -- 2nd ... SJWs cover for each other. Remember, if it wasn't for double-standards, they would have no standards at all).

Blogger Avalanche October 29, 2018 7:55 PM  

@50 "to twitter or facebook or whatever, such an aggregator would look no different than any one visiting an individual's page. And that's assuming that the aggregator doesn't just hand links to the viewer's own web browser (each one, say, within it's own frame)."

Isn't this not very far removed from poor-old RSS? I LOVE RSS!

Blogger MendoScot October 29, 2018 8:04 PM  

"Our privacy agreement state:

Information Disclosed for Our Protection and the Protection of Others.
We cooperate with government and law enforcement officials or private parties to enforce and comply with the law. We may disclose any information about you to government or law enforcement officials or private parties as we, in our sole discretion, believe necessary or appropriate: (i) to respond to claims, legal process (including subpoenas); (ii) to protect our property, rights and safety and the property, rights and safety of a third party or the public in general; and (iii) to stop any activity that we consider illegal or legally actionable activity."

So yes, they reserve the right to shop you to the law at their own discretion.

Blogger Student in Blue October 29, 2018 8:56 PM  

@53. Dirk Manly

While you're correct that using the report function probably won't amount to anything, it's patently untrue that SJWs won't ever do anything to a fellow SJW.

These people eat their own as soon as it's convenient, remember. It's who, whom.

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 29, 2018 8:57 PM  

Torba.... why are we stuck with people like this?
Vox when you are ready to outdo him and need volunteers to code let us know.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 9:28 PM  

IF you think an SJW gives a hoot about another SJW displaying, for example, racism, or whatever made-up "phobia" your report... you're delusional.

Do they eat their own? Yes.
Will they do it to please YOU? Hell no!

Blogger Jack Amok October 29, 2018 9:49 PM  

the idea I had in mind was that it would interface with Facebook or Twitter like an ordinary web browser, so it wouldn't send or receive info any faster than an ordinary browser

Two problems: one, they will notice requests for multiple accounts coming from one IP if you are aggregating on your server, so you would need this to be a client, and since you're trying to aggregate across sites, you'd couldn't just create a website that does it, you'd need an actual client.

Two, if you achieved any success, they'd hear about you and figure out how to recognized your app, and block it. Or sue you (on what grounds? Who cares, they have lots of money). Social media sites can do social engineering too.

Doesn't mean something absolutely cannot work, only that it isn't as simple as screen-scraping. Remember that their cash flow is based on aggregating data - they won't turn a blind eye to someone else trying to aggregate their proprietary data (yes, FB asserts that what you post to your FB account belongs to FB, not you).

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 9:51 PM  

One of the many reasons why I rarely put anything on facebook, and even then, primarily conversations with buddies from by Baghdad deployment.

Blogger Timmy3 October 29, 2018 9:54 PM  

What’s keeping the right from coming out with it’s own social media platform? I already have another platform that I joined called “nextdoor”. Nothing happens there, but that’s fine. The RNC should have one. Comic book fans should have one. The religious right should have one.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel October 29, 2018 10:23 PM  

Speaking of converged, Linus must have learned his lesson. He's ashamed to be in the U.S. now. Maybe he needs to go back home.


Relevant @ 14:28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQWj2Fgxdrc



Blogger Arthur Tintagel October 29, 2018 10:54 PM  

Gab had potential in the PizzaGate days, then the Alt Retards flooded it and turned it into a digital trailer park.

Any nuanced voice of sanity was usually drowned out, and this is what you get for absolute free speech, which the owner couldn't even live up to when he banned hentai and Alt Retard figures like Weev for breaking non existent rules.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 11:35 PM  

Hentai is a blight. Banning that wasn't the problem, pervert.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 30, 2018 12:16 AM  

Hentai is the Japanese anime tentacle shit right?

Blogger Student in Blue October 30, 2018 12:36 AM  

@58. Dirk Manly
IF you think an SJW gives a hoot about another SJW displaying[...]

Of course not. That's why I didn't say that.

Remember, I said, "These people eat their own as soon as it's convenient".

You filling out a report that no one else views isn't at their convenience, unless it happens to coincide with an alignment of the stars where they could get away with usurping the other SJW's social position. And even then they probably won't do anything with it simply because they hate you. Again, "who, whom".

The SJWs certainly aren't full of internal harmony however.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora October 30, 2018 1:01 AM  

@39 VD is well to Cerno's right and gets no disrespect. Mike has disdain for idiots which has an unfortunately high correlation with the Alt Retards.

Blogger Jack Amok October 30, 2018 1:05 AM  

Hentai is the Japanese anime tentacle shit right?

I think it's actually any kind of anime porn, especially if it's perverted. Which, considering anime draws all female characters as children's faces on adult bodies, probably all of it's perverted.

Blogger John Calla October 30, 2018 1:15 AM  

This is going a tad bit overboard:

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/413622-howard-dean-gab-should-be-tried-as-accomplice-to-murder-in-synagogue

And the thing is, I can completely see Jeff Sessions going for it. He's the biggest virtue-signalling fool in the entire administration.

Really makes you wonder where we're going to be five years from now.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 30, 2018 2:22 AM  

"Which, considering... ...probably all of it's perverted."

It's porn. It's all perverted. The word Hentai literally translates to "pervert" with emphasis.

Blogger Crew October 30, 2018 2:28 AM  

I wonder if Gab hasn't been a CIA or FBI thing all along designed to root out those who are against them.

Blogger Jack Amok October 30, 2018 2:53 AM  

I wonder if Gab hasn't been a CIA or FBI thing all along designed to root out those who are against them.

Would be hilarious if Gab was a CIA op to find badthinkers that signed up a bunch of FBI Special Agent Provocateurs posing as Alt-Retards.

CIA: "Hey! We lured in a bunch of them!"

FBI: "Hey! We found where they all hang out now!"

Blogger Dirk Manly October 30, 2018 3:03 AM  

That would be truly funny.

Blogger Jon Mollison October 30, 2018 3:07 AM  

LifeSite, a pro-life news site, got the full Alex Jones treatment from their webhost today too. They are back up with a new host, but...backup your data and have a few safe boltholes for your sites ready, team.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/urgent-lifesite-is-under-attack

Blogger L October 30, 2018 9:49 AM  

I don't understand the point of gab and twitter. What's wrong with a forum like this one? The owner posts some of his thoughts, people leave comments, and other people come along and say their piece about those comments, and occasionally the owner responds to the comments.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 30, 2018 2:41 PM  

Microblogging is for attention whores, and people with lots of very short, simple thoughts.

This basically means:
Entertainment personalities
Politicians, and
All other people who also belong in mental asylums.

Blogger By My Greybeard! October 30, 2018 7:09 PM  

Inducting Gab?
Ok.
With that exemplar, I guess the DNC and it's leadership should be indicted for the RNC baseball park shooting. Especially Obambi who was the one who started with the “gun fight” talk.

If these proggies are served “sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander” we'd have a lot less of this full-moon-minded crap being proposed.

Blogger By My Greybeard! October 30, 2018 7:12 PM  

“...inducting...” should be indicting.

I thought I'd caught all the instances where autocorrect had thoughtfully assisted me.

I guess I was mistaken.

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