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Saturday, October 13, 2018

Can you spell "tortious"?

As in "tortious interference"? It looks like the Legal Legion of Evil has at least one additional party to investigate.
What am I butt hurt about, exactly? I got Vox Day's IGG campaign cancelled, and now is worried its going to blow back on him. You're welcome.
- Jason Yungbluth, Twitter, 6:44 PM, 12 Oct 2018

  1. The existence of a contractual relationship or beneficial business relationship between two parties.
  2. Knowledge of that relationship by a third party.
  3. Intent of the third party to induce a party to the relationship to breach the relationship.
  4. Lack of any privilege on the part of the third party to induce such a breach.
  5. The contractual relationship is breached.
  6. Damage to the party against whom the breach occurs.

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155 Comments:

Blogger #7139 October 13, 2018 11:06 AM  

This jackass is claiming responsibility? WTH?

Blogger Michael Maier October 13, 2018 11:07 AM  

I sense imminent attempts at destruction of evidence....

Blogger justthinkin October 13, 2018 11:09 AM  

I'm going to need more popcorn.

Blogger OGRE October 13, 2018 11:09 AM  

Looks like Jason lives in either Buffalo, New York. Possibly Rochestor or Lockport.

https://www.whitepages.com/name/Jason-E-Yungbluth/Buffalo-NY/12kbbfqu

You know, for jurisdiction/long arm statute purposes...

Blogger Joseph Maroney October 13, 2018 11:10 AM  

"This jackass is claiming responsibility?"

He has to so he can "level up" as an SJW. Otherwise it would be for nothing.

Blogger Wolfman at Large October 13, 2018 11:11 AM  

But can NPCs be held liable for their actions? Or do we need to seek out their programmers instead?

Blogger OGRE October 13, 2018 11:14 AM  

Archive that whole twitter. Its full of statements against interest.

Blogger Jew613 October 13, 2018 11:14 AM  

What is wrong with these people? I don't mean morally, how are the consequences of their actions not obvious?

Blogger Xiety October 13, 2018 11:15 AM  

This guy gets around.

Blogger grendel October 13, 2018 11:16 AM  

If they accepted that actions have consequences, they wouldn't be libtards.

Blogger Wolfman at Large October 13, 2018 11:19 AM  

Sorry for my brief moment of heresy.

Either goblins don't have souls and we are simply slaying foul beasts that are threat to our civilization.
or they do have souls and we're sending them back to whatever foul God created them.

Blogger Stephen Davenport October 13, 2018 11:21 AM  

@5 that was a good one..lol

Blogger Janus October 13, 2018 11:21 AM  

Good ol' Ray Gun.

Since I know you're reading this, how does it feel to have been completely and utterly wrong about Alt-Hero getting published?

So wonderful that you felt the need to get involved personally the next time around I take it.

Blogger FSL October 13, 2018 11:25 AM  

Weakest link (only because the rest is iron) is breach of contract since IGG has such broad Terms of Use. "Or no reason" makes it pretty broad. But that doesn't seem to justify refunding a small fortune of money to backers after missing a deadline when you agreed to pay the money to the client. The missed deadline seems key.

Blogger Franz Lionheart October 13, 2018 11:25 AM  

Is Jason a (((Yungblubth)))? Is this just the usual case of. Every. Single. Time?

Blogger #7139 October 13, 2018 11:28 AM  

Either goblins don't have souls and we are simply slaying foul beasts that are threat to our civilization.

Goblins don’t have souls. It is like killing a rabbit. No harm, no foul.

Blogger Stephen Davenport October 13, 2018 11:29 AM  

Yeah, went to his twitter page and he is quit proud of it...lol...basically he is a shitter with no following.

Blogger Wraithburn October 13, 2018 11:33 AM  

He can't help boasting about how he went about it either.

https://twitter.com/IAmDeathRay/status/1051132514969026560

Blogger Up from the pond October 13, 2018 11:35 AM  

These children with high school mentalities (at best) are about to grow up quickly.

Blogger Dave October 13, 2018 11:39 AM  

Uh-oh, looks like ol' Ray Gun shot himself in the foot. He was trying to retaliate against EVS because he lost a stupid debate.

He won't like the consequences of targeting Vox and the Alt★Hero:Q backers.

Blogger Xiety October 13, 2018 11:39 AM  

Stephen Davenport wrote:...basically he is a shitter with no following.
Made little sense to me that Van Sciver and that guy who plays a lawyer on Youtube would hold a debate with him. Drama sells, I guess.

Blogger InformationMerchant October 13, 2018 11:42 AM  

Original tweet for those that want a link to it:

https://twitter.com/IAmDeathRay/status/1050925256171511808

http://archive.is/43fht

Blogger bob kuk mando ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 13, 2018 11:43 AM  

8. Jew613 October 13, 2018 11:14 AM
What is wrong with these people?


Narcissism.

Narcissists don't believe that any standard of behavior ( or consequence for violating such ) will apply to themselves.

while any trivial perceived transgression of someone else *against* them is just the most awful thing EVAR!

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/10/11/the-eternal-solipsism-of-the-female-whine/

Blogger The Observer October 13, 2018 11:43 AM  

Start archiving ALL the relevant tweets, before he starts wiping them.

Blogger Lance E October 13, 2018 11:44 AM  

Why am I not surprised that this mewling soyboy is putting his name on it? Even the SJWs hate his guts. He's a cancer on the cancer.

Blogger Dave October 13, 2018 11:45 AM  

He begged EVS to debate him and EVS accepted as he will do anything to justify spending more time streaming on youtube.

Blogger OGRE October 13, 2018 11:47 AM  

@14 FSL

Every contract carries with it an implied covenant of good faith. Even if a contract can be terminated without notice and "for any or no reason" the parties still must act in good faith in carrying out the terms of the agreement. Terminating a nearly completed agreement because a non-privity third party asked you to, absent some other justification or reason, is a pretty strong argument that the party breached the covenant of good faith.

Blogger Lance E October 13, 2018 11:48 AM  

Wraithburn wrote:He can't help boasting about how he went about it either.

https://twitter.com/IAmDeathRay/status/1051132514969026560


If true, looks like 2VS allowed himself to get played yet again. He never learns.

Blogger Up from the pond October 13, 2018 11:50 AM  

OGRE wrote:Looks like Jason lives in either Buffalo, New York. Possibly Rochestor or Lockport.

Rochester. Lots of publicly available information about him. Easily subpoenaed.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 13, 2018 11:50 AM  

how are the consequences of their actions not obvious?

Controlling all the institutions meant they haven't had to face consequences for years, so that doesn't occur to them. Most of them still don't worry about it, since preparedness and determination on Vox's level are rare. SJWs facing consequences are still rare enough to be industry news, but it has to start somewhere.

basically he is a shitter with no following.

And yet (according to him) he was able to get a well-known company to endanger itself legally to do his bidding. Another example for our friend Mark who thought strict money men at the top of companies keep that sort of thing from happening.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz October 13, 2018 11:51 AM  

Can a truthful statement be liable? Does he have to be lying?

Blogger Avalanche October 13, 2018 11:51 AM  

@16 "Goblins don’t have souls. It is like killing a rabbit. No harm, no foul."

Except you can EAT a rabbit without getting ill!

Blogger Silent Draco October 13, 2018 11:52 AM  

the deposition will produce much salt. None of the possible outcomes are good.

Tortious interference on AH:Q, conspiracy to commit same, libel against SDL, and/or tortious interference against Indiegogo (someone was dumb enough to listen to his ranting, and think it a good idea), etc. IANAL, but just thinking about logical outcomes of such a twitter boast.


A silvered skull would make a dandy serving dish for any kind of nuts needing to be cracked and enjoyed.

Blogger InformationMerchant October 13, 2018 11:55 AM  

Obvious downside, does he have anything? If he doesn't own anything, what is the best case scenario for any legal case?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 13, 2018 11:59 AM  

He's made an example of. His body was drawn and quartered, and sent to each corner of England, and his head stuck on a pile outside the Tower of London. It had the effect Vox desired.

Blogger #7139 October 13, 2018 12:01 PM  

Seconded. All in favor say aye.

Blogger Dave October 13, 2018 12:02 PM  

If he did actually have a hand in this, the question is by how many orders of magnitude will the Alt★Hero:Q backer's legal defense crowdfunder exceed poor ol' Ray Gun's campaign.

Blogger OGRE October 13, 2018 12:04 PM  

@34 Even if a defendant has no assets and no income that can be garnished, a judgment will still hold for quite some time, such that any later acquired assets can be subject to the judgment. i.e. judgment debtor has no assets now, but he buys a house in 5 years, the judgment will attach as a lien on the house so long as the judgment is recorded in that county.

If defendant has no assets and no job, and isn't likely to acquire such over the next 10 years or so, then there would be little or no monetary value in acquiring a judgment. Such defendants are considered "judgment proof." Theres also a question of how likely a defendant would be to file for bankruptcy if the judgment is dischargable in BK (most are).

Blogger Franz Lionheart October 13, 2018 12:08 PM  

Uh oh. This guy has no idea what he just stepped into

https://medium.com/@Death_Ray/the-menace-of-doc-vox-b5b070a8af4c

Somebody should archive that article before he vanishes it.

> is called (((Yungbluth)))
> quotes "Jews" several times in the medium blog post - even though it's patently off topic
> from Twitter : send certain people high up at IGG some video footage of Ethan Van Sciver calling Vox Day a "Nazi" repeatedly. Of course, you'd have to get him to SAY it first. Is the lightbulb going off yet?
> from Medium: considers Jews to be scheming rats

Hmmmmmmmm, I wonder just why anybody just "MIGHT" ever come to that conclusion?

Blogger InformationMerchant October 13, 2018 12:12 PM  

@38 Thank you.

Blogger pyrrhus October 13, 2018 12:12 PM  

These people are amazingly stupid, and just cannot shut up..Just adding this guy into the lawsuit will prove more than inconvenient for him and the company...His deposition will be more fun than an attorney usually has in a decade.

Blogger Uncle John's Band October 13, 2018 12:13 PM  

The beauty of lawfare in a culture war is that so long as the backers are down, the goals don’t have to make financial sense. I’d already decided to double my pledge, but knowing the extra is going towards flaying SJWs is a bonus.

Blogger OneWingedShark October 13, 2018 12:15 PM  

Franz Lionheart wrote:Uh oh. This guy has no idea what he just stepped into

https://medium.com/@Death_Ray/the-menace-of-doc-vox-b5b070a8af4c

Somebody should archive that article before he vanishes it.

It's been archived here, about a year ago.

Blogger Nostromo October 13, 2018 12:17 PM  

@Stg58

His head is so far up his ass it's already on a pile. (Sorry. I hate autospell too.)

Blogger Xiety October 13, 2018 12:17 PM  

Franz Lionheart wrote:> from Twitter : send certain people high up at IGG some video footage of Ethan Van Sciver calling Vox Day a "Nazi" repeatedly. Of course, you'd have to get him to SAY it first. Is the lightbulb going off yet?
Very interesting.

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 13, 2018 12:18 PM  

You see there's `this thing about SJWs where they come up against the adult world, and things don't go well for them.
When this happens, maybe we should be skinning SJWs, wearing them, and instead of demanding respect, mock them even further. Though I suspect VD already enjoys his wine atop a pile of skulls.

Blogger pyrrhus October 13, 2018 12:19 PM  

@38 There are several good reasons for adding this fool to the lawsuit, regardless of his financial status. Potential squabbling amongst the defendants is only one...

Blogger #7139 October 13, 2018 12:22 PM  

Seconded. All in favor say aye.

Blogger Peaceful Poster October 13, 2018 12:24 PM  

Gamma

Blogger pyrrhus October 13, 2018 12:26 PM  

@46 You see there's `this thing about SJWs where they come up against the adult world, and things don't go well for them.

Yes, it's really entertaining whenever snowflakes meet the real world.

Blogger MJ Meyers October 13, 2018 12:31 PM  

I don't know about this. I'm concerned courts won't recognize personal jurisdiction over NPCs!

Blogger Dave October 13, 2018 12:40 PM  

video footage of Ethan Van Sciver calling Vox Day a "Nazi" repeatedly

EVS also called Vox "Charles Manson" repeatedly. Quick, somebody send the footage to the authorities in Italy.

Blogger SciVo October 13, 2018 12:40 PM  

Dave wrote:Uh-oh, looks like ol' Ray Gun shot himself in the foot. He was trying to retaliate against EVS because he lost a stupid debate.

NPC bugged, devs plz fix

Blogger pyrrhus October 13, 2018 12:40 PM  

But it's actually an act of kindness to introduce loudmouth leftists to the real world, because they will never learn otherwise...

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira October 13, 2018 12:41 PM  

*pile of skulls intensifies*

Blogger OGRE October 13, 2018 12:42 PM  

@47 oh I agree. I was just responding to the question regarding a defendant with no assets.

@51 Ha! Well theres still in rem jurisdiction. If you can sue a tyrannosaurus skeleton or 43 gallons of whiskey you can sue an NPC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._One_Tyrannosaurus_Bataar_Skeleton

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Forty-Three_Gallons_of_Whiskey

Blogger Johnny October 13, 2018 12:43 PM  

Jew613 wrote:What is wrong with these people? I don't mean morally, how are the consequences of their actions not obvious?

Like a lot of people here I have been assuming these are young guys because the whole thing is so over the top. Like something that would happen in an Animal House movie.

This is kind of over the top, but between the entertainment media and what they teach in school, it should not be too surprising that the next generation needs time to sort stuff out.

Blogger Wraithburn October 13, 2018 12:43 PM  

@56 I learn so many interesting things reading the comments here.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 13, 2018 12:51 PM  

Somebody should archive that article before he vanishes it.

Here's a printed-to-pdf copy of it, stored by hash to ensure it can't be tampered with after this point. Things sometimes go missing on archive sites (though probably not for this guy). This won't.

Blogger Up from the pond October 13, 2018 12:54 PM  

Johnny wrote:I have been assuming these are young guys

He's 47.

Blogger Man of the Atom October 13, 2018 12:55 PM  

OGRE wrote:@47 oh I agree. I was just responding to the question regarding a defendant with no assets.

OGRE: How would a judgement affect Jason "I Cain't Quit You, Vox" Youngbluth's ability to engage GoFundMe, KS, or IGG to raise funds for his comic projects? Specifically, isn't the money raised just available income and would thus come under the umbrella of a judgement?

Blogger Ken Prescott October 13, 2018 12:59 PM  

@61 Hoo boy. He'd have to go through second, third, fourth, and fifth parties to hide his involvement in a project.

Blogger Slagenthor October 13, 2018 1:07 PM  

Seconded

Blogger Man of the Atom October 13, 2018 1:20 PM  

Ken Prescott wrote:@61 Hoo boy. He'd have to go through second, third, fourth, and fifth parties to hide his involvement in a project.

Roll up all sales up his product/projects into that "income" as well. Not familiar with a bankruptcy, but I'd guess you are "encouraged" to significantly liquidate relevant assets, not just squirrel away what ever you choose.

Blogger Careless Whisper October 13, 2018 1:21 PM  

There is plenty of precedent for these indie hell nobodies to kamikaze themselves, for no good reason but to impress the industry gate keepers.

In the late nineties Ted Rall disparaged reigning King of NYC artfag cartoonists, Art Speigelmann. Out of thin air, some unknown named Danny Hellman decided to white knight m'lady by writing vulgar and insulting letters to most of the papers Rall worked for, signing them as Rall himself, "as a prank," he claimed.

When Rall sued the fruitcake, a constellation of Art Comix who's whos materialized to print a fundraiser anthologies for Hellman's legal bills, under the name "Legal Action Comics". Looks like two volumes were eventually released; those bills must have been pretty sizeable.

Blogger S1AL October 13, 2018 1:25 PM  

You'd think Yungsbluth would get tired of being wrong eventually.

Or being stupid enough to publicly say things like, and I'm quoting him here, "I am all for white genocide".

Blogger R Webfoot October 13, 2018 1:25 PM  

"Obvious downside, does he have anything? If he doesn't own anything, what is the best case scenario for any legal case?"

He does own intellectual property......

If Vox ends up owning Weapon Brown..... Well, JinjerZilla is an obvious choice to illustrate the next sequel.

Blogger Lance E October 13, 2018 1:33 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:But it's actually an act of kindness to introduce loudmouth leftists to the real world, because they will never learn otherwise...

They won't learn regardless. It's the real world that learns.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 1:48 PM  

Jason Youngbluth.

Isn't he the guy who wrote a comic strip about a family where the father is a pedophile and preys on his daughter?

I will credit him with at least pointing out that pedophilia harms kids.... but, what kind if of bizarro mindset comes up with, "Yeah, I'm gonna draw a comic about incestuous pedophilia"....

Blogger S1AL October 13, 2018 1:49 PM  

That's the guy, Dirk. Pretty serious Daddy issues, having been raised by a feminist single mother and all.

Blogger Stannous Baratheon October 13, 2018 1:51 PM  

As much as I enjoyed reading his twitter threads as an object example of mental illness, I can’t figure out how he thinks HE is the one who got it cancelled.

Can anyone help me out?

Blogger OGRE October 13, 2018 1:52 PM  

@61 Man of the Atom

A judgment can be used to attach any funds in the judgment debtors bank account. You just need to identify the bank account and submit the judgment and appropriate forms to the bank. So if he is receiving money into his bank accounts you can drain them out. If hes receiving money into a corporate owned account, a judgment attaches onto the judgment debtors ownership interest, so any moneys paid out by the corporation to the judgment debtor can be seized. I'm not up on the entire process for doing that off the top of my head, usually just go after real estate, bank accounts, and wages because thats pretty simple and straightforward. But its definitely doable.

Its not as easy to hide assets as people think, even by trying to establish multiple corporations. A judgment debtor can be forced to testify under oath as to his assets (location, bank account info, employment, etc); giving false or evasive responses can find the judgment debtor in contempt of court and can give rise to perjury charges. Transfers and sales made to hide assets from a judgment creditor can be prevented and undone, even those made before a lawsuit is filed in some instances, and shell corporations can be pierced and even terminated by judicial fiat.

@67 a judgment wouldn't give one ownership of the judgment debtors assets, just a right to satisfy the judgment from the assets. In the case of tangible property, such as real estate or vehicles, the property can be sold by the sheriff at auction with the proceeds used to satisfy the judgment. (The creditor gets a credit on any bids they might make up to the amount they are owed.) For IP its a little more involved, but you can secure an interest in a copyright or patent. I'm not sure if this entitles you to just collecting proceeds from the IP or if you can force a judicial sale or not, but theres definitely ways to get at it. In any event it'd be a pretty convoluted route in order to levy an IP, force a judicial sale, and acquire it for oneself.

Blogger DBSFF October 13, 2018 1:52 PM  

Generally, the provision of truthful information does not allow a claim for tortious interference, but that depends on the jurisdiction. However, if the information placed the plaintiff in a false light--for instance, it omitted important context--then the claim might survive. I've found that when a meritorious claim for invasion of privacy (False light) and/or defamation are also included, it reinforces for the Court why the interference was tortious.

Blogger SouthRon October 13, 2018 1:55 PM  

Dirk, that wouldn’t be a surprise. He has all the sexual, anal fixation of Scalzi and it pours forth when he’s trying to play his ZFG but still superior card.

Blogger Shimshon October 13, 2018 1:56 PM  

Is this coming soon? IndieGoGo, a Castalia House service. The second best crowdfunding site on the webz in 2018 (according to GoDaddy). Do we get founding shares instead of a monetary award? I might double down again.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 2:01 PM  

@31
"Can a truthful statement be liable? Does he have to be lying?"

If it's misrepresented.

For an extreme example, suppose you record someone reading lines from an as-yet unreleased animation, and then you present them as that person's own statement (as opposed to a statement from a fictitious character that the person is just voicing), that would make you liable.

Baiting 2VS into saying Vox is a Nazi could probably be viewed the same way, especially if he Youngbluth didn't include the part where he baited 2VS into making the statements.

Blogger nswhorse October 13, 2018 2:03 PM  

He just had to brag.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 2:05 PM  

@34

"Obvious downside, does he have anything? If he doesn't own anything, what is the best case scenario for any legal case?"

Attachment of any paycheck for the rest of his life. Since he'll probably try to weasel out of things, a judgement requiring him to register ALL bank accounts with the court, until his judgement is paid off, would probably be a good idea. This then provides grounds for asking government regulatory agencies to provide identification information for all of his accounts, including deposits and balances.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 2:16 PM  

From the piece he put on medium, the envy is so thick, you can wring the salty tears right into a bowl:

"With all these strikes against the project you might think that Beale would have had trouble raising the $25,000 he was asking for. NOPE! The project raked in $244,565, donated by a total of 2190 anonymous backers, including $47,500 from a handful who pledged between $1500 and $5000 for a chance to appear in the comic or to design a character for it. (I’ll pause while you rush to the toilet.)"

Something tells me that he still hasn't raised even $25k for ALL of his projects combined.

Blogger Wraithburn October 13, 2018 2:19 PM  

@76 That's what I found so interesting. I finally got around to watching the IGG darkstream, saw 2VS saying he's sorry. Seemed innocuous until Youngbluth blurted out.

Makes me think Youngbluth feels he has successfully hidden behind 2VS' skirt.

Blogger Up from the pond October 13, 2018 2:29 PM  

Guys who pay rent to live in run-down duplexes in Upper Monroe are probably judgment-proof IMO.

Blogger ottobego October 13, 2018 2:32 PM  

Adjunct prof at RIT
https://wab.org/host/yungbluth-jason/

Blogger ottobego October 13, 2018 2:36 PM  

According to his AMA originally from Buffalo, lived in Rochester (the AMA is 4 years old)
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1qbw3u/i_am_jason_yungbluth_cartoonist_for_mad_magazine/

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 2:37 PM  

"That's the guy, Dirk. Pretty serious Daddy issues, having been raised by a feminist single mother and all."

How much you want to bet he was molested by either his mother, or someone his mom was dating (either male or female).

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 2:39 PM  

@71
"As much as I enjoyed reading his twitter threads as an object example of mental illness, I can’t figure out how he thinks HE is the one who got it cancelled.

Can anyone help me out?"

There's something he's leaving out -- specifically: exactly WHAT he sent to WHOM at IndieGoGo.

Blogger S1AL October 13, 2018 2:42 PM  

Nah, he just grew up as an unpopular emotional cripple who hates traditional families. Weapon Brown is his revenge fantasy. Clarissa is him trying to tear down the thing he hates with the vilest implication he can imagine.

Blogger S1AL October 13, 2018 2:43 PM  

At least that's the working theory from the last time he came around and claimed that:

Vox would never get funding
Vox would never deliver
The quality would suck
The quality wouldn't improve
Nobody meaningful would sign on to work with Vox

Yeah...

Blogger Jack Amok October 13, 2018 2:45 PM  

Adjunct prof at RIT

So then his assets probably amount to a handful of cheap sweaters and a half interest in a housecat

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 2:47 PM  

Whatever is going on inside his head, it's FUBAR. Execution would be an act of mercy.

Blogger Johnny October 13, 2018 2:50 PM  

Well what do you know, old EVS has changed his stripes. That I know of he only called Vox a Nazi, and now he wants to fire the SJWs into the sun with a "massive trebuchet." Figured something out I guess.

Blogger Wraithburn October 13, 2018 2:54 PM  

@71 @85

https://twitter.com/IAmDeathRay/status/1051132514969026560

"Gosh! How WOULD one do that?

One MIGHT send certain people high up at IGG some video footage of Ethan Van Sciver calling Vox Day a "Nazi" repeatedly and in unequivoical terms. Of course, you'd have to get him to SAY it first.

(Is the lightbulb going off yet, duckling? 🤔😃😁)"

He implies it's footage of 2VS calling out Vox Day as a Nazi. To me, that sounds like a "gosh, I'm an uninvolved party who just happened to notice this man, Ethan Van Sciver, points out how one of your campaign creators is a Nazi! I was going to fund a comic, but I can't in good conscience support people who help Nazis."

That lets him try to blame any libel on 2VS.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 3:06 PM  

But the "Of course, you'd have to get him to SAY it first." implicitly implicates Yungbluth, because that statement says that 2VS wouldn't have said it on his own -- that someone had to CAUSE 2VS to say it. That's what he's bragging about, and that will be a linchpin in any tortious interference case. He didn't just innocently find a section of video where 2VS is calling Vox a Nazi... he begged 2VS for a debate, so that he could goad 2VS into calling Vox a Nazi.... from Yungbluth's perspective, the debate was a complete sham -- merely a pretext for baiting 2VS to get him to say what he wanted 2VS to say, so as to have it as ammunition to sabotage the IndieGoGo relationship.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 3:10 PM  

Hey, you want to know something fun?

Colleges and Universities can REVOKE the degrees which they have conferred.

Imagine his pathetic adjunct professorship evaporating, because, colleges, universities, and institutes of higher learning are the very epitome of credentialism. Take away his Bachelor of Arts, and he can't teach undergraduate classes. The best he can do then, is get a job as a substitute teacher in the K-12 system.

Blogger InformationMerchant October 13, 2018 3:11 PM  

What the hell? He looks like a chubby Vox with down syndrome.

Look at his cartoon of "Vox": https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*fzOCcwbNDWQIRYcHrg0SZQ.jpeg

Look at a picture of him: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8f/0f/64/8f0f64d5b375c4f2f80f99dfc73459ce.jpg

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey October 13, 2018 3:11 PM  

Does anyone care for his money? Or for his so-called intellectual property? Or to teach him a lesson? Or isn't it better to merely have a scalp? That's what he was after.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 3:12 PM  

Actions such as this can bring a graduate's diploma under review.

Destroying an SJW-run company, while having a net beneficial impact on the intended target (Vox), would be sure to grate on the SJW-controlled diploma review board.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 3:16 PM  

Where Yungbluth is concerned, getting him disemployed from his shitting adjunct professorship at RIT (by destroying his BA) and causing him to live out his remaining years drawing pedophilia cartoons on the side of a Rochester, NY garbage truck between picking up trash cans would be the ultimate win.

Blogger Rabid Ratel October 13, 2018 3:23 PM  

#7139 wrote:Seconded. All in favor say aye.

Aye. A thousand times. Remember the popcorn futures.

Dumb, Dumber, SJW.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 3:25 PM  

So "Weapon Brown" is a dude wearing a Charlie Brown shirt

(you know... yellow, with a wide black zig-zag running all the way around the lower 1/3)

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 3:27 PM  

So, is Weapon Brown supposed to be Charlie's bigger, stronger, older brother?

Blogger S1AL October 13, 2018 3:32 PM  

"Revenge Fantasy"

Blogger Xiety October 13, 2018 3:34 PM  

Johnny wrote:Well what do you know, old EVS has changed his stripes. That I know of he only called Vox a Nazi, and now he wants to fire the SJWs into the sun with a "massive trebuchet." Figured something out I guess.
He's been on about that massive trebuchet for months.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 3:41 PM  

Cringeworthy:


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8f/0f/64/8f0f64d5b375c4f2f80f99dfc73459ce.jpg

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 3:41 PM  

It's even worse.

Weapon Brown IS Charlie Brown.... weaponized.

Blogger Longtime Lurker October 13, 2018 4:04 PM  

Whether JY really did convince IGG to do as it did, I don't know. But JY is quite the rage hussy - aka militant attention whore. He made some mighty bold predictions about the imminent failure of Alt Hero/Avalon/Arkaven during the Freestartr campaign.

Then Vox und Crew just had to hit the ground running and deliver the goods, putting the lie to JY's predictions.

But Vox also inflicted a deep psychic cut in JY's flamboyant sense of self. If Arkaven won't fail as predicted, and it won't, then what is a proper rage hussy like JY to do? Take direction action to make his predictions come true?

Where there's motive, there's fire. And JY's ill-advised tweet looks like smoke to me. Which means he could be obscuring his true role. Methinks he might be camping on someone else's play to feed his need for attention.

Whatever the case, I want JY and all who scree like him to know: We are unstoppable.

Blogger Mark Stoval October 13, 2018 4:05 PM  

Now for something completely different ... and off-topic.

It has been a while since Vox has talked about the rounding up of the swamp creatures by the Trump administration but it is a common topic here, and there is a neat essay to that effect out this weekend at Collective Evolution.


Alternative News
"Many Insiders Believe Military Tribunals For Deep State Will Happen Any Time Now"

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/10/12/many-insiders-believe-military-tribunals-for-deep-state-will-happen-any-time-now/

Interesting essay, worth your time to read I think.

Blogger R Webfoot October 13, 2018 4:06 PM  

Weapon Brown is post apocalyptic funny page characters. It sounds Super Wacky.

He got 45k for it in 2013; his latest kickstarter for a sequel got 20k.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 4:11 PM  

In either event, he demonstrates desire for VD's comics to fail, plus intent to cause it to fail by screwing with the IGG.

The standard for ruling for a plaintiff is
Preponderance of Evidence. IGG and Yungbluth will probably be judged to be jointly and severally liable.

Remember also, IGG can be hit with Tortious Interference of Trade, too, because they offered themselves as an intermediary between Vox and his customers, and then decided to pull the rug out from under everything.

So there's really two TID cases here

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 4:12 PM  

er, TIoT.

Blogger Longtime Lurker October 13, 2018 4:27 PM  

@108: What you're telling me is that even if JY was not the cause of IGG's decision, by tweeting that he was, he might as well have been the cause, because he made a legally admissible public statement of responsibility?

In other words, he's screwed whether he really did or did not?

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 4:32 PM  

Pretty much.

Never publicly claim responsibility for someone else's setback.

Unless it's in war, and you have the rank of Brigadier or higher.

Blogger Longtime Lurker October 13, 2018 4:37 PM  

@111: Pain is the best teacher!

Blogger Jack Amok October 13, 2018 4:38 PM  

Weapon Brown IS Charlie Brown.... weaponized.

And is that Garfield behind him? WTF? Does this dweeb think it's okay to just rip off other people's IP?

Blogger tuberman October 13, 2018 4:41 PM  

If there is any way to hurt this JY freakshow, it would be good.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 4:44 PM  

Lifelong unemployment outside of trash collector would be good.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 4:45 PM  

Well you know, IP laws are only for the goys to observe....

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 13, 2018 5:07 PM  

Parody is a long-established exception to copyright laws.

Blogger tuberman October 13, 2018 5:13 PM  

Isn't parody pretty much a one hit thing, so if you keep using someone else's character multiple times, can you use the parody escape from copyright laws?

Blogger Alfred Genesson October 13, 2018 5:16 PM  

Trash collection pays too well.

Corporate fast food drone, now that's bad pay.

Blogger OGRE October 13, 2018 5:18 PM  

@73 DBSFF

Thats true, but depends on the jurisdiction and the nature of the claim being brought. Intentional interference of a contract doesn't necessarily require a defamation type of underlying claim, although thats very typical in the employment cases that intentional interference cases are most often brought up in. But wrongdoing of various types can give rise to the claim, such as blackmail, coercion, inducement, etc. And in some states just a malicious intent is sufficient.

@110 Longtime Lurker

Whether he did it or not, his statements taking credit would be evidence that he did do it. It would be up to the trier of fact to weigh that against evidence that he didn't. For instance, if he were to testify that he didn't, then his twitter statements could be used to impeach his credibility and as evidence that he did do it.

Blogger OGRE October 13, 2018 5:26 PM  

@117 Snidely Whiplash

Parody is generally considered fair use, but its a balancing test and not at all cut and dried. It gets especially tricky when the work in question is used commercially. I don't know anything about his Weapon Brown thing, but if hes just doing a super hero comic with a guy that looks like Charlie Brown, and isn't making any comment or criticism of Peanuts or by way of the contrast between his work and Schultz's work, he might have some problems.

I'd imagine the owners of the Peanut's IP probably have very deep pockets, armies of lawyers, and wouldn't look very kindly on a potentially infringing work.

Blogger Felix Bellator October 13, 2018 5:32 PM  

Looks like he fought to the pain and lost.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 5:47 PM  

@121

"I'd imagine the owners of the Peanut's IP probably have very deep pockets, armies of lawyers, and wouldn't look very kindly on a potentially infringing work."

Not to mention Jim Davis (Garfield), and whoever else's characters he's using.

Also, there's Trademark law, too.

In it's early days, MAD did a LOT of parodies of cartoons.... by......get this... making parodies of the cartoons.
Not recasting the same characters in some way that is just a hijacking of well-known characters. For that, you generally have to license the use of the character from the owner of the IP.

Blogger S. Thermite October 13, 2018 5:54 PM  

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Blogger S. Thermite October 13, 2018 5:56 PM  

“Weapon Brown” showed-up in my social media news feed several weeks ago. At first it sounded like a clever post-apocalyptic parody, but a quick inspection showed it to be an ugly and disgusting perversion of my childhood comic memories with hideously-drawn characters that would never have gotten off the ground without the original IP.

Anonymous Anonymous October 13, 2018 5:58 PM  

tortious interference

I can tell you the law societies of Ontario and British Columbia take it seriously when their members engage in it, either directly or through their clients.

Anonymous Anonymous October 13, 2018 6:03 PM  

@23 Some jackass who owes me money actually made a police complaint against me for "criminal harassment" when I sued him. It just got his illegal business put under criminal investigation (the cops figured what is this guy hiding) and opened himself to damages for the tort of extortion.

@31 In some places a truthful statement may be defamatory, but someone convicted of a felony may not have any good reputation left to be defamed. It varies widely by jurisdiction.

Blogger Jew613 October 13, 2018 6:10 PM  

Ogre, Charles Schultz's estate considers Weapon Brown parody & are ok with it.

Bob, your probably right. Of course 5 minutes of Google research and they would have learned that Vox has been in a similar situation before & how it turned out. But I suppose the narcissism prevented even that effort on their part.

Blogger Crew October 13, 2018 6:21 PM  

Just received this email from Amazon:

NYCC Deals: Up to 85% off DC, Marvel, The Walking Dead & More!

Are they having problems shifting product?

Blogger OGRE October 13, 2018 6:26 PM  

@128 Jew613

Does his estate still own it though? I figured if his comic has been around long enough either the question's been settled or hes just been far enough under the radar to not be noticed. Those copyright guys would know a lot better than me of course. I'd just expect them to be a lot more protective of their product.

Just did a quick search, came across a Reddit AMA he did from 4 years ago where someone asked if hes had any issues over the copyright characters, and he just said "Nope! I have always made sure to treat the material in Weapon Brown according to my best understanding of the parameters of parody." No indication that hes had it out with anybody. Do you have any info on any of the copyright holders giving him the OK? My interest is really piqued here, its pretty fascinating.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 13, 2018 6:28 PM  

@126

"tortious interference

I can tell you the law societies of Ontario and British Columbia take it seriously when their members engage in it, either directly or through their clients."

Of course they do. Canada, like the U.S., is an English Common Law country, and Tortious Interference is so well-established a principle, it's like concrete.

It all goes back to a man with a duck pond, from which he would cull ducks to sell for food.

And a neighbor who decided to start scaring the ducks away.

The owner of the duck pond sued.
The duck-scaring neighbor lost.

This was sometime in the 1300's.

Blogger Evan Hartshorn October 13, 2018 6:31 PM  

Schultz is Minnesotan. Of course his estate plays Nice.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 13, 2018 8:12 PM  

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Blogger CYGNUS FACETIOUS October 13, 2018 9:29 PM  

Wolfman at Large wrote:But can NPCs be held liable for their actions?
Golems and their gem creators? Certainly.

Blogger Jew613 October 13, 2018 10:29 PM  

Ogre, I would swear I've seen Jason Youngblooth say he has approval from Charles Schultz's estate but I cannot find it online.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 13, 2018 10:34 PM  

128. Jew613 October 13, 2018 6:10 PM
But I suppose the narcissism prevented even that effort on their part.



had they made the effort, it wouldn't have made any difference.

you're failing to comprehend the whole panoply of implications.

previous attacks against Vox failed because THEY WERE NOT CARRIED OUT BY THE PARTICULAR NARCISSIST IN QUESTION.

*this* Narcissist is obviously ( in his own Secret King mind ) far superior to whatever clownshoes was attacking Vox the last time around. because Narcissists deprecate the abilities and talents of EVERYONE else with whom they are dealing.

this is the same argument as Communism.

Communism always fails, in spectacular fashion, because THE RIGHT PEOPLE ( the Narcissist who is speaking ) weren't in charge all those other times.

but now that *I* am in charge, we're going to kill all the right Bourgeoisie and we will implement the Paradise of the Proletariat with Free Shit For All ( or at least i'm going to get mine ) this time around.

Blogger Doomfinger October 13, 2018 10:41 PM  

This is the email I received:

The campaign 'ALT-HERO:Q' that you contributed to has been suspended due to violating our Terms of Use. Unfortunately we cannot share specific details on the campaign, but please note that we have already refunded your contribution.

We apologize for any inconvenience this might have caused you. We continually review campaigns and as new information arises we may take action such as suspending a campaign to protect contributors.

Regards,

Leo
Trust and User Operations


This email does not answer any of my questions... I asked which terms of service were violated, and if any of the campaign backers were also considered to have violated terms of service.

Blogger Ned October 13, 2018 11:28 PM  

Hope this jackass tool really does get butthurt.

Blogger Jack Amok October 14, 2018 12:20 AM  

Ogre, I would swear I've seen Jason Youngblooth say he has approval from Charles Schultz's estate but I cannot find it online.

And the likelihood he is being honest is...? I can easily imagine him getting some indication that a single drawing or comic strip was okay as parody, then inflating that to permission for an entire series. Plus, I find it out of character for the Schultz estate to let Charlie Brown be used for something depraved.

But maybe he has permission, don't know. But whether there's a legal IP infringement case or not, there is the other question - can any of these parasitical liver flukes ever actually create something of their own? The answer is no, and when you see someone doing something like this, even if you don't have any other info, you should consider it an indication.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 14, 2018 2:54 AM  

RE: CB
https://www.peanuts.com/faqs/
> Special Request:
> As a PEANUTS fan, I often come across content on the internet that uses the PEANUTS copyrights and trademarks in an unfavorable fashion, and I don’t think it is authorized by PEANUTS Worldwide. What actions does PEANUTS Worldwide take to protect the work of Charles Schulz and the PEANUTS property?
> Read in over 2,200 newspapers, in 75 countries and 21 languages, PEANUTS is truly a global presence. As you can imagine, PEANUTS Worldwide must fight copyright infringements on an on-going basis in almost every territory worldwide; a constant challenge, and an issue we take very seriously. The PEANUTS Worldwide legal team, assisted by vigilant PEANUTS fans around the globe, is constantly learning of and reviewing various unauthorized content and, within the bounds of the copyright law, takes action where appropriate.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 14, 2018 2:59 AM  

> My theatre group has obtained the right from Tams-Witmark to perform You’re A Good Man, Charlie Brown or SNOOPY!!! The Musical and we are now looking to obtain image rights for our marketing. What do I need to do?
>In conjunction with a production of You’re a Good Man, Charlie Brown, PEANUTS Worldwide offers a standard promotional graphic of Charlie Brown and Snoopy in silhouette. In conjunction with SNOOPY!!! The Musical, PEANUTS Worldwide offers a graphic of Snoopy and Woodstock.
>For a fee of $25 we can provide you with this graphic to be used in promotional materials such as flyers, posters, and programs. You may also have permission to use this image on t-shirts, however it must be understood that they may NOT be sold for profit and will be distributed only to cast and crew. In order to receive these graphics, please send an email to info@peanuts.com and include your school or institution’s name, address, phone number, and email address along with the date(s) of your performance. Due to the volume of requests received please allow 2 weeks to turn around your request.

--
Hmm... seems they do take their IP pretty seriously. Which makes sense, it'd be idiotic to allow the property to be tarnished. In Japan, Peanuts is still quite popular in tourist locations - particularly amusement parks, but also commonly found in specialty stores.

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Blogger Gregory the Great October 14, 2018 5:40 AM  

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Blogger Gregory the Great October 14, 2018 5:44 AM  

Where is their jugular? Their blood supply comes from the VC obviously. What other projects are backed by the VC? Would those other projects be negatively affected if the VC had a publicity problem with Indiegogo? Who has put money into the VC? Are there people in the investment hierarchy who would hate to lose their money?

Blogger OGRE October 14, 2018 8:22 AM  

@115 Jew613

Well its not the Schulz estate that would make such a determination, its Peanuts Worldwide LLC, which Sony Music Japan has a 40% ownership interest in, and Schulz Creative has 20%. This isn't Tolkien were talking about, this a global corporate brand. And is he implying that he had a talk with Schulz's people and they were like "Oh its cool bro, you do you," or did he get an actual license from them? Again I'm no expert on this, but it seems he is in a very grey area really close to the line. And his branding of his material is very iffy, drawing heavily on the yellow and black Charlie Brown shirt imagery, which is something the Peanuts brand uses a lot as well.

It may well be fair use. I mean you have things like Venture Bros. out there that draws heavily on other works, but then they are actually making comments regarding the original works. And they aren't flat out ripping the originals off and using their imagery as marketing; they've truly transformed what they've taken from the originals in order to comment on themes related to the original works. Is that what Yungbluth is doing? I don't know. I just consider it a bit suspect that Peanuts Worldwide is perfectly content with someone making money off their brand, monetizing their well known imagery, and turning their characters into grotesqueries.

Jim Davis might also be interested in what hes done to Garfield. https://thebrotherhoodofevilgeeks.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/377b6286-ae9f-4ef7-a61c-8de05c8a0eb8.jpeg?w=604

Blogger Donald Jackson October 14, 2018 9:15 AM  

Rochester. I'm the guy that he talks about telling Jim Shooter about http://artrightmagazine.com and comics gate. I live in Buffalo.

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box October 14, 2018 4:15 PM  

What about trolls? Orcs??

Blogger Galt-in-Da-Box October 14, 2018 4:23 PM  

This is gonna get SOOOOOO Fugly!!

Blogger bobby October 14, 2018 5:21 PM  

31. Tars Tarkusz - said - "Can a truthful statement be liable? Does he have to be lying?'

This is where people start misunderstanding tortious interference.

You have to accomplish the interference in some improper manner.

If I hear that my friend is about to sign a contract with Joe Blow, and I let me friend know that Joe Blow has been arrested for fraud before and scare my friend out of the deal, it's not improper.

If I know that you're about to sell your car to Bill, but I want it, I can quickly interfere with that deal by offering you more money.

Tortious interference arises when someone does something improper to stop a deal. If I lie about Joe Blow and wreck his deal, he maybe has a case. If I offer you more money for your car while threatening to hurt you if you don't sell it to me, the other buyer might have a case.

If this guy interfered simply by passing along information (and he's not being libelous or fraudulent or otherwise improper) there isn't a case for TI.

Blogger Rhys October 14, 2018 5:58 PM  

this guy's a stalker

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar October 14, 2018 8:18 PM  

I saw this over at AoSHQ:

https://www.scribd.com/document/390751806/Complaint-Against-Claremont-USD-Et-Al-Dkt-1-as-Filed-10-12-18

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar October 14, 2018 8:18 PM  

Correction- that was Instapundit.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 14, 2018 11:34 PM  

149. bobby October 14, 2018 5:21 PM
If this guy interfered simply by passing along information (and he's not being libelous or fraudulent or otherwise improper) there isn't a case for TI.


a - the information he passed along was False. Vox is not a Socialist of any stripe, neither Nationalist nor Internationalist. nor is he a White Supremacist.

b - Yungbluth was integral to procuring the False statements by a third party, which he forwarded to parties which had a business relationship with Vox. he claims this himself.


so HE believes that he is the responsible party.


i do like how you take the mainstream news media line though;
it's not necessary for me to vet or fact check a statement, as long as someone ELSE is asserting it I can simply quote them!

did you hear?

Brett Kavanaugh is a rapist. he runs rape trains all summer long. just attend the parties at Brett's house.

Blogger bobby October 14, 2018 11:42 PM  

"i do like how you take the mainstream news media line though"

I'm not taking anybody's line. I'm telling you the law. Use it as you see fit. If the interference does involve a lie (see the word "libel" in my comment) then there's a case. If he only said true things that made IGG fade away, there's likely no IT - but there's possibly contract breach against IGG.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 15, 2018 10:27 AM  

Engineering a debate in which you goad your opponent to make libelous statements about a 3rd party... so that you can then use those libelous statements to interfere with a contract the 3rd party has with a 4th party, then I'm pretty sure that anybody with a brain can see that the person who started the whole chain of events, and was instrumental in all parts of it, is, in fact, liable under the definition of TI.

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