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Monday, October 22, 2018

Chung Kuo in the USA

A simulation of Harvard's admission model sans affirmative action is already indicating that the future of the USA is neither white supremacist nor civic nationalist nor a branch of the Israeli military nor a pan-civilizational utopia populated by vibrant people of diverse color, it is as a Chinese-ruled satrapy.

Even with the admission department stacking the deck against them, Asians account for 22 percent of the latest Harvard class, up from the 16.5 percent that has mysteriously been the average for decades despite growing numbers of Asian applicants. And I've seen a model showing that if Harvard were to practice a strict test-based meritocracy, that figure would rise to 51.6 percent.

How is either situation to the benefit of the American posterity, I wonder?

Ron Unz has been the thought-leader on the subject, and his most recent article has a graph that very clearly demonstrates the anti-Asian bias at the elite universities. The two rising lines are the young Asian population and Asian enrollment at Caltech from 1990 to 2011, although the latter also appears to have begun to level off contra the population trend in 2008....


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Blogger Peaceful Poster October 22, 2018 8:07 AM  

Yes, it has been said here before but bares repeating.

Chinese immigrants are a far bigger threat to the USA than Mexicans or Muslims.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 22, 2018 8:08 AM  

I got it in my head for right or wrong that Spengler's Learned Elders of Wye advice is in effect.

Blogger PragmaticTroll October 22, 2018 8:09 AM  

Isn't degree-chasing a kind of religion for the Chinese? A way to move the family to a higher caste both in reality and in heaven.

Blogger The Observer October 22, 2018 8:19 AM  

Isn't degree-chasing a kind of religion for the Chinese? A way to move the family to a higher caste both in reality and in heaven.

Kinda sorta. It's complicated, but the most important reason is that scholars were the highest caste in ancient Chinese society. Being a scholar meant you could take the Imperial Examinations, which were a ticket to an official position, riches, status, and in some stories, the Emperor's daughters. Even if there weren't any official positions available, doing well in the examinations meant you would be a big shot.

Of course, modern Prussian model factory farm education has little to nothing to do with the Master-Disciple relationships scholars used to have, but the blind cargo-cultish obsession with book learning persists.

Blogger Looking Glass October 22, 2018 8:23 AM  

PragmaticTroll wrote:Isn't degree-chasing a kind of religion for the Chinese? A way to move the family to a higher caste both in reality and in heaven.

Yes.

On the topic, there's one little rub that no one seems to want to talk about: Ivy League schools have had jokes for education, undergrad, for at least 30 years. You're only going there if you want the connections. That period of about 20 years where the Ivies attempted to be anything other than finishing schools for the connected ended a while ago. Now it's really about the showing off among the second tier wannabe Elites. (There's also the issue that needing a class that's 50% female dictates a lot less competent students.) Their Graduate Schools are better, but you're still paying for the Alumni directory, not the education.

As a result, while it does matter, what is happening at the University of Texas or Ohio State University matter a whole lot more to the future. That's where the supported invasion is a much bigger issue.

Blogger The Observer October 22, 2018 8:23 AM  

I got it in my head for right or wrong that Spengler's Learned Elders of Wye advice is in effect.

The more some Asians learn about Jewish involvement in the Far East back to the Opium Wars to Mao's (((advisors))) helping him come up with the Great Leap Forward to stealing the bodies of Korean Emperors to the constitution of Japan being written from pure poison by a 60 year-old New Jersey jewess, the more and more infuriated they're becoming with that particular tribe.

A human-elf alliance against the drow has been floated more than once.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 22, 2018 8:29 AM  

Crimethink
a - noticing that there are statistically ZERO "High Ability" Black or Hispanic students
b - noticing the ridiculous paucity of non-juice White admissions

this would go a long way towards explaining why 'elite' college alumni are developing such a lousy reputation. such a large percentage of the admitted student body is, by definition, substandard.

Blogger pnq8787 October 22, 2018 8:38 AM  

I guess we'll know the kikes have failed to insinuate themselves into the new Asian aristocracy when they begin spouting pro-white memes.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 22, 2018 8:47 AM  

I could care less if Harvard burnt to the ground, though the Yale-Harvard football game is actually decent to watch.

What interests me is are we at the point that we "White Christian Males" actually ask if Harvard actually offers us anything that doesn't include our fellow whites? I assume that WCM enrollment there is limited to single digits percentage wise and that is primarily athletes and legacy faggots.

Blogger K G October 22, 2018 8:49 AM  

So Asians are adept at working within the intellectual constraints of the American education system. So what? The American education system is designed to promote the most easily indoctrinated and eliminate the free thinking individual outliers. Of course Asians are good at that. I went to school with plenty of ‘smart’ Asians, not one of them succeeded in the unstructured freedom of the business world after graduation. Medical field or tech support is really the best they can do. School never teaches them to have any balls, so they get eaten alive in the real world. Of the two new marketers in my division, the Chinese asian is by far the less competent and confident, and likely won’t last a year.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 22, 2018 8:52 AM  

@5

"Ivy League schools have had jokes for education, undergrad, for at least 30 years. You're only going there if you want the connections. That period of about 20 years where the Ivies attempted to be anything other than finishing schools for the connected ended a while ago. Now it's really about the showing off among the second tier wannabe Elites."

My uncle was the Personnel manager for the Engineering Department (vehicle, not building) at Cadillac plant #1 in Detroit. He stated several times that the Harvard graduates were the biggest idiots who ever walked through the door. Unable to answer simple engineering questions that even he, as a Psych major understood. He said Yale grads were somewhat better, but still far behind most Big 10 (or whatever it is this year) and land-grant state universities (which, by law, have to teach agriculture, and/or engineering).

Blogger Matt October 22, 2018 8:59 AM  

Cheaters

Blogger Dirk Manly October 22, 2018 9:04 AM  

@10

"So Asians are adept at working within the intellectual constraints of the American education system. So what? The American education system is designed to promote the most easily indoctrinated and eliminate the free thinking individual outliers. Of course Asians are good at that. I went to school with plenty of ‘smart’ Asians, not one of them succeeded in the unstructured freedom of the business world after graduation. Medical field or tech support is really the best they can do. School never teaches them to have any balls, so they get eaten alive in the real world. Of the two new marketers in my division, the Chinese asian is by far the less competent and confident, and likely won’t last a year."

Asians in general (although the Japanese seem to be an exception) are the world's leaders at memorizing entire books without gaining a single clue about what any of them mean.

Blogger Desdichado October 22, 2018 9:05 AM  

Peaceful Poster wrote:Yes, it has been said here before but bares repeating.

Chinese immigrants are a far bigger threat to the USA than Mexicans or Muslims.

Yes, but they're not as IMMEDIATE a threat. When you're in fire-fighting mode, their danger has to go to the back burner until more immediate threats are dealt with.

Anonymous Anonymous October 22, 2018 9:06 AM  

Does this mean we’re not going to the Chinese restaurant for Christmas?

Blogger Archimedes2017 October 22, 2018 9:20 AM  

I had a Taiwanese friend in IT who told me that they studied hard in High School just to get into a good University. Then he coasted in collage. I also knew some foreign educated tech people with degrees in Physics who just responded with blank stares when you asked them Physics questions.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 22, 2018 9:25 AM  

OT: Per his twitter Feed, Trump has promised the following

A) For failing to stop the "caravan," El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala are going to see their financial aid from the US.

B) For failing to prevent the "caravan" from entering Mexico, the Mexicans will now be facing a militarized border. Trump has alerted Border Patrol and the military that this is A NATIONAL EMERGENCY. That decades-old non-militarized border treaty? Trump just scrapped threw that out. Trump also demanding that the immigration laws be changed NOW!

C) He also notes that all of those seeking asylum here better have proof that they applied for asylum in Mexico -- otherwise, automatic rejection.

D) "All levels of government and Law Enforcement are watching carefully for VOTER FRAUD, including during EARLY VOTING. Cheat at your own peril. Violators will be subject to maximum penalties, both civil and criminal!"

Watch the Democrooks start reeeeeeing about "voter suppression."

Blogger pyrrhus October 22, 2018 9:33 AM  

The problem with Asians is that they are conformist, uncreative, and come from culture that prizes short term success, not honesty...Consequently, there is a massive cheating problem on standardized tests. College Board has been forced to cancel SAT tests in Asia when it became known that answer sheets had been "compromised." But cheating in general is not a problem for many nationalities, it is only rejected west of the Hajnal line...I have been involved in many scholastic chess tournaments, and have seen serious cheating by Chinese, Indian, Hispanic, and a few Eastern European competitors. Western officials have a difficult time coping with this problem....IMO, top Universities need to go back to the pre 1950s system and administer their own unique tests...

Blogger pyrrhus October 22, 2018 9:39 AM  

@16 The ancient Chinese system of awarding government positions based on exams whose subject matter was the Confucian classics perpetuated this attitude. It produced officials whose skill was memorization and who were totally unfit for the actual process of governing, or accomplishing anything in the real world.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 22, 2018 9:40 AM  

@18

".I have been involved in many scholastic chess tournaments, and have seen serious cheating by Chinese, Indian, Hispanic, and a few Eastern European competitors."

What sort of cheating occurs at a chess match?

Blogger veryfunnyminion October 22, 2018 9:41 AM  

As a bonus, Unz takes a gratuitous shot at el Chriso Loco:

"For example, Prof. Jordan Peterson, a leading celebrity-intellectual with a large YouTube following, recently demonstrated that he was totally ignorant of these important facts."

Blogger Unknown October 22, 2018 9:46 AM  

However, Unz indicates that whites are about 70% of high ability students in the US, and maybe 15, with the rest divided between Jews and other groups.

So the problem seems to be flagging white motivation - they don't try as hard, study as hard, test prep as hard.

Now one can say that they wouldn't have to study as hard as Asians if there were none in the US, and that that's a poor quality of life.

Maybe, but then the competition would be transferred to between countries. An America of whites who dont try so hard vs a China full of extreme strivers would still be at disadvantage - even if it imported no Asians. The competition would merely be externalized.

This is the problem in a globalised world where distances have shrunk, as Asians discovered in the 19th century.

Asians wanted to continue in their relaxed contemplative culture but the West burst in on them, showing them that in the new world they had to compete whether they wanted to or not.

So today it is whites who don't want to company so much anymore, but finding out they have no choice.

So while not importing Asians is a good first step, it won't solve the fundamental problem of flagging white motivation, necessary to be competitive on the international stage.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 22, 2018 9:50 AM  

What sort of cheating occurs at a chess match?

Mostly getting advice from coaches and others outside the match in various ways. That might not help grandmasters much, but it could be a huge advantage for kids. Search for "how to cheat at chess" for a full list of ways.

Blogger Attila is my bro October 22, 2018 9:56 AM  

Maybe a stupid question, but how does one cheat at chess? I don't know a lot about the game but the only way I can figure is coordination between the players? Otherwise, the other player would presumably notice a bad move and call it out.

Blogger Looking Glass October 22, 2018 9:56 AM  

@11 Dirk Manly

USA has the world's best engineering schools. The Ivies ain't them. Those are the schools that actually matter. Though, frankly, if they burned the Ivies to the ground, it'd improve the situation.

The Grad School situation is different, but, for a lot of fields, Masters/PhDs need connections to survive. Thus, the high reputation a lot of them have.

Blogger camcleat October 22, 2018 9:58 AM  

@11 Dirk Manly

"He stated several times that the Harvard graduates were the biggest idiots who ever walked through the door. Unable to answer simple engineering questions"

Can confirm.

I've attended many conferences in Chemistry over the years. By a very far margin, the stupidest talk I've ever seen was by a Harvard "professor."

Things were said that were so ridiculous that people in the audience were looking around with puzzled expressions; we were all thinking, "Did she really just say that?"

She got eviscerated when people started asking questions. I've seen many an undergraduate student give a better presentation.

That was a decade or so ago at least. I would imagine things have gotten worse.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 22, 2018 10:01 AM  

"Now one can say that they wouldn't have to study as hard as Asians if there were none in the US, and that that's a poor quality of life."

That's not quite accurate. It'd be more accurate to say that they have to study harder than the fraction of Chinese overachievers who had the upper mobility to move over here at some point.

Blogger Looking Glass October 22, 2018 10:02 AM  

@13 Dirk Manly

The Japanese are better at the memorization aspect, but they have far less issues with institutionalized cheating. They aren't like the Chinese or Indians, in that regard. Further, the historic way to "get ahead" as a non-noble was through Trade or Manufacturing. There's a reason you'll never end up buying a Chinese-made car.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim October 22, 2018 10:05 AM  

I think the chink in the armor of the Asian Academics is that they are mostly paying for their degrees. Their degrees aren't based on performance or merit.
They do this at Miami University in Ohio. Pay for paper and tassel.

Blogger Looking Glass October 22, 2018 10:06 AM  

@22 Unknown

Institutionalized discrimination against innately talented White Males undermines your point completely. The Left & the Devil, but I repeat myself, always attack the most productive. That's what this is all about.

Though, as a result, the USA has a near monopoly significant portions of the heavy industrial base that actually makes the world run. I'm sure Nate has some stories about engineers from the region he's in.

Blogger Bobiojimbo October 22, 2018 10:12 AM  

@10 VD and Molyneux have both talked about why this matters. Why this matters is at least two fold: credentialism and IQ tests. Since it is strictly forbidden to administer IQ tests for job applicants in the USA, college degrees are often used as a stand in. Thus, the better the college you get into and graduate from, the smarter you must be.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 22, 2018 10:13 AM  

camcleat wrote:Things were said that were so ridiculous that people in the audience were looking around with puzzled expressions; we were all thinking, "Did she really just say that?"

She. Problem spotted. Women can be competent, but they don't have to be competent to succeed in a PC organization.

Blogger Unknown October 22, 2018 10:15 AM  

@ looking glass -

I would include that under the same heading of weak white motivation. Jews would never have been able to capture the administrative posts had whites not suffered a collapse in willpower to resist.

But my response was addressed to Voxs remark that under race blind admissions based purely on scores Asians would be 51% of admissions.

Blogger nswhorse October 22, 2018 10:19 AM  

There are several Chinese manufacturers selling in Australia now, and people actually buy them, due to their ultra low price point compared to much higher quality Japanese and Korean vehicles. I'm seeing ever more of the things around.

Blogger Unknown October 22, 2018 10:22 AM  

@ Azure



If you're suggesting America attracts especially motivated Asians to the extent that they would become 51% of high level admissions despite whites being the overwhelming majority of high ability people, then had they stayed in China the competition would merely be externalized, as I indicated.

However, China test scores suggest that striving characterize a Asians across the board now, and the sunset that come to America are not especially unique.

Blogger Peaceful Poster October 22, 2018 10:30 AM  

@29 Sterling - I think the chink in the armor of the Asian Academics is that they are mostly paying for their degrees.

That is indeed a big chink.

Asians dominate the Universities in Canada for this reason.

Plus, of course, the lack of affirmative action.

Blogger pyrrhus October 22, 2018 10:30 AM  

What sort of cheating occurs at a chess match?

Mostly getting advice from coaches and others outside the match in various ways. That might not help grandmasters much, but it could be a huge advantage for kids. Search for "how to cheat at chess" for a full list of ways.

I have seen players actually move pieces on the board , including the opponents' pieces, when they thought they could get away with it. Bullying is also rather common, which includes claiming checkmate when it doesn't exist. Remember, at the lower age levels, no adult is watching these games, and the score sheets are a mess if they even exist

Blogger Iron Spartan October 22, 2018 10:31 AM  

Social Justice/Grievance Studies have contaminated every discipline. Any school that is proud of those programs will see every other discipline be diminished.

Say, wasn't it the Ivies that pioneered such drivel and gave it validation?

Blogger Cloom Glue October 22, 2018 10:32 AM  

Asians wanted to continue in their relaxed contemplative culture but the West burst in on them, showing them that in the new world they had to compete whether they wanted to or not.

Do different civilizations have to compete? If they block immigration and trade then they can live at a higher or lower economic development. Our proposal here was not supremacy but coexistence of separate different nations.

Blogger CM October 22, 2018 10:34 AM  

Thinking Americans who buy the anti-zero-sum wealth rhetoric missaply this to the resources we currently have available.

This fair enrollment of Asians resulting in such high Asian numbers should be an example (not to mention social security, welfare, health care, and primary/secondary education) of how we DO have limited resources that are being fought over.

I kind of think the aversion or denial to Diversity + Proximity = War equation is that they don't see diverse groups as competitors and that resources are, in fact, finite in a given space and time.

Blogger Desdichado October 22, 2018 10:37 AM  

Yellow Peril. Another discredited idea from a hundred years ago that science is now proving to have been right all along.

Blogger Looking Glass October 22, 2018 10:37 AM  

@33 Unknown

There is no such thing as "white motivation", just like there isn't such a thing as "Asian motivation". What's changed with the Ivies is that any kid that isn't from the Acela Corridor, that's White, isn't going to look for the Ivies. Everyone gets the picture that you really have to want to actually attend the Ivies for the connections, not the education. The Status is more important to certain segments of the Chinese & Koreans, but, for the vast majority of the country, Americans won't bother.

Duke has a lot more prestige than the Ivies, at this point, in the world that makes things actually work. That's why the real problem isn't the status-seeking Chinese/Koreans, but the actual foreign students that are allowed to remove slots from Americans at state universities then return home. That's a deep brain-drain because it eliminates significant opportunities for Americans. Burning the Ivies to the ground will just be a fun evening during Civil War 2: Elite Burning Boogaloo.

Blogger Iron Spartan October 22, 2018 10:39 AM  

Bobiojimbo wrote:@10 VD and Molyneux have both talked about why this matters. Why this matters is at least two fold: credentialism and IQ tests. Since it is strictly forbidden to administer IQ tests for job applicants in the USA, college degrees are often used as a stand in. Thus, the better the college you get into and graduate from, the smarter you must be.

Griggs vs Duke Power was one of the greatest travesties of the last 50 years. Hopefully someone can come up with lawsuit to challenge it in front of the God Emperors supreme court.

Blogger pyrrhus October 22, 2018 10:39 AM  

Maybe a stupid question, but how does one cheat at chess? I don't know a lot about the game but the only way I can figure is coordination between the players? Otherwise, the other player would presumably notice a bad move and call it out.

At the adult level, cheating is confined to getting suggestions from better players, or attempting to distract the other player. At a national tournament, long ago, I once threatened violence against a south asian player who kept loudly claiming that I had lost on time (when the director had already ruled against him) while I was pondering a winning position.

At the kid level, most of the games are unobserved, and when a kid calls the director because his opponent is cheating, the director usually rules against him because the director can't believe it. There should be cameras, but there aren't.

Blogger The Observer October 22, 2018 10:40 AM  

If they block immigration and trade then they can live at a higher or lower economic development.

Both China and Japan tried this. The answer was "open up or else our gunboats open fire".

Blogger InformationMerchant October 22, 2018 10:41 AM  

Don't go to college becomes a reality. The social justice subjects get wiped out. We get to watch the left try to argue racism and the normies finally can't avoid race and IQ.

I don't know how many of the Asians in America are Chinese, but the last census suggests it's not that bad: "Chinese (3.79 million), Korean (1.7 million), and Japanese (1.3 million)."

This puts the Asians in direct opposition to the black and hispanic coalition. If the Asians are an alliance of "Asian Americans" rather than straight Chinese vassals carrying out the will of China, this is far preferable to anything the left will do.

Whites won't get college indoctrination (which is far worse than regular school indoctrination), Hispanics might cross the border in fewer numbers and blacks will have increased tension with Hispanics for the lowest paid jobs, weakening their coalition.

This may be preferable to simply razing the colleges to the ground. Asians do lean Democrat but as the percentage of whites go down, it'll be nice to get some backing from Asians.

It's also hilarious to watch what happens when Blacks realize Chinese people aren't white people.

https://archive.is/z1BiA (NY Times.)

"Before last year, Richard Ochieng’, 26, could not recall experiencing racism firsthand. Not while growing up as an orphan in his village, not while studying at a Kenyan university. Not until his job search led him to Ruiru, at the edge of the capital, Nairobi, where he found work at a Chinese motorcycle company. His new boss, a Chinese man his own age, started calling him a monkey. It happened when the two were on a sales trip and spotted a troop of baboons on the roadside, he said. “‘Your brothers,’” he said his boss exclaimed, urging Mr. Ochieng’ to share some bananas with the primates."

Blogger RedPill Angel October 22, 2018 10:42 AM  

On the other hand, if America is on its way to becoming a Mestizo nation, which seems likely, a good dollop of Han Chinese in the mix might raise average IQ back up to 100. And everyone would look like Tiger Woods! Ok, just joking.

Blogger Unknown October 22, 2018 10:43 AM  

@Gloom Glue -

I wish they didn't, and I wish someone could come up with a solution. I would much rather live a relaxed Western lifestyle than become an unhappy striver, I just don't know if it's possible in a globalised world.

@ looking glass - I have always been puzzled by the refusal to consider the relevance of motivation when the evidence - and common sense - indicate it is a significant factor in all aspects of performance.

Morale - motivation - has long been recognized as crucial and to be affected by a range of social and other factors, and to wax and wane in history.

The modern attempt to simply pretend it doesn't exist makes no sense to me.

Blogger SouthRon October 22, 2018 10:43 AM  

This demonstrates the problem of allowing even the best and the brightest to immigrate en masse. They displace our best and brightest, giving Americans fewer opportunities. They steal our technology. Take it back home and use it to compete against us in business and industry and worst of all to fuel their military and imperial desires.

Blogger Looking Glass October 22, 2018 10:46 AM  

@46 InformationMerchant

As a funny historical note, given the way the Leftist PC Culture groups everyone together, it's far easy to forget that the triangle of Korean-Chinese-Japanese hatred runs a millennia deep. There's ways to play Divide & Conquer with practically any group. Something that should be kept in mind.

Blogger RedPill Angel October 22, 2018 10:47 AM  

But no, after reading InformationMerchant's comment, the Chinese wouldn't mix in, they would just take over everything, then start a war with the (((nicer white ppl))). Back to the drawing board.

Blogger Matthew T October 22, 2018 10:48 AM  

Pretty interesting thread, as China is certainly making no secret about wanting to make Canada a Chinese satrapy. I've been under the impression that the most likely way for Canada to avoid this future is for the USA (or part of a broken-up USA) to step in and say, nope, not tolerating a Chinese client on our northern border. Maybe that's less likely than I thought.

I'm not sure we don't deserve it. Nowadays whenever I catch a glimpse of campus Christian organizations, for example, they are startlingly Asian-dominated. The man who personally led me to Christ, during undergrad, was a Chinese-Canadian, something I have not forgotten.

Blogger Looking Glass October 22, 2018 10:48 AM  

@48 Unknown

You're a troll, a shill or an idiot. Take your pick.

Blogger pyrrhus October 22, 2018 10:52 AM  

The American "education" system is intended to bore, annoy, and downgrade the brightest white males, and remove their annoyingly smart minds from competition with its AA pets, including women...Some engineering schools, like Purdue, have historically resisted this trend and consequently produced a lot of terrific engineers.But now Purdue has a female President who wants to make math easier for women.....

Blogger Looking Glass October 22, 2018 10:53 AM  

@52 Matthew T

Evangelism to 2nd Generation Chinese is a big issue across the globe, as they're normally very open to the Gospel compared to their parents. Obviously, there's now a lot of them given China's current actions, but it also points to the way things aren't necessarily going to go to China's imperial ambitions. (Or the ambitions of the Elites in the West that are funding this.)

The under-the-radar issue that'll show up outside of our life spans will be East Asia going Christian. South Korea will be majority Christian in the relative future. China will be a while, but it's already at a level that cannot be dislodged. Given history of both the area and when nations go Christian, those civil wars are going to be blood baths.

Blogger Looking Glass October 22, 2018 10:54 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:The American "education" system is intended to bore, annoy, and downgrade the brightest white males, and remove their annoyingly smart minds from competition with its AA pets, including women...Some engineering schools, like Purdue, have historically resisted this trend and consequently produced a lot of terrific engineers.But now Purdue has a female President who wants to make math easier for women.....

Yup. They point is to make everyone into 105 IQ girls. That's what "teaching to the middle" creates. Ever wonder why they push transgenderism so much? Well, they started a long time ago.

Blogger pyrrhus October 22, 2018 10:55 AM  

@48 Motivation helps people accomplish things within their ability levels....it doesn't make them one iota smarter...Einstein wasn't very motivated by Asian standards, and was regarded as lazy by Academia.

Blogger Unknown October 22, 2018 11:07 AM  

Pyrrhus,

Correct, but we don't measure ability levels, we measure actual performance, which is always mix of ability and motivation.

The moment you are asked to solve a problem, it is a mix of ability and motivation. So your performance on an IQ test or any test is a mix of motivation plus ability.

We cannot measure ability in the abstract.

Einstein was very unmotivated in traditional academics, but was highly motivated to work on the particular problems that interested him.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 22, 2018 11:09 AM  

@54

"Some engineering schools, like Purdue, have historically resisted this trend and consequently produced a lot of terrific engineers.But now Purdue has a female President who wants to make math easier for women....."

When I saw that news, it depressed me.

Hopefully, she'll get the boot when alumni donations start dropping.

Making math easier for women? How? By making every problem a question of female physiology and/or sexcapades?

Blogger Jack Amok October 22, 2018 11:30 AM  

This is excellent news, all in all. The Ivies will hasten their demise, since as Looking Glass noted, they're not places to get an education, just places to make connections. And the elite won't really accept the Harvard Han into their circles, so we should soon start seeing fewer Ivy League morons screwing things up across the country.

As to the motivation of White kids, keep in mind that starting in the 90's, the most motivated of them were over-prescribed Ritalin as a routine part of schooling.

Blogger Jack Amok October 22, 2018 11:38 AM  

Making math easier for women? How? By making every problem a question of female physiology and/or sexcapades?

Christine has had 7 sexual partners. If she pulls a train on half the 60 man football team, how many sexual partners has she had now? Answer: Still just one or two. Alternate Answer: You wouldn't ask that question if you really loved me.

Blogger Crew October 22, 2018 11:38 AM  

Making math easier for women? How? By making every problem a question of female physiology and/or sexcapades?

Q: If strong and empowered Suzie had sex with 10 men, how many children did she have?

A: None, because she aborted them all.

Blogger Crew October 22, 2018 11:47 AM  

It's also hilarious to watch what happens when Blacks realize Chinese people aren't white people.

I think you mean: It's halarious to watch what happens when Blacks realize Chinese people can't be shamed into behaving like White people.

Blogger Iron Spartan October 22, 2018 11:48 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:The American "education" system is intended to bore, annoy, and downgrade the brightest white males, and remove their annoyingly smart minds from competition with its AA pets, including women...Some engineering schools, like Purdue, have historically resisted this trend and consequently produced a lot of terrific engineers.But now Purdue has a female President who wants to make math easier for women.....

The fallout from the Florida International University bridge did slow down the lowering of standards, but it seems to have been more of a speed bump than a course correction.

Blogger English Tom October 22, 2018 11:50 AM  

@K G

So Asians are adept at working within the intellectual constraints of the American education system.

Yes. They identified the Chinks in its armour!

Blogger justaguy October 22, 2018 12:01 PM  

With the PC of modern universities affecting everything, how could the ulte-lib Ivies fail to keep up in what are normally non-technical degrees-- meaning the Ivies give a credential, but how could they teach thinking or give a background in the culture/western civ necessary to spur rational thought? What we are seeing is the voluntary neutering of the best and brightest non-technical majors of a society. Let them continue.

Blogger Rickaby007 October 22, 2018 12:05 PM  

>I think you mean: It's halarious to watch what happens when Blacks realize Chinese people can't be shamed into behaving like White people.

This.

Nonwhites rely on whites being cuckolds in their own countries.

Blogger Matamoros October 22, 2018 12:09 PM  

If you are old enough to remember when the coming wave was Japanese, and everyone was learning Japanese to compete, along with Japanese culture, etc:

Read Rising Sun by Michael Crichton. It is superficially about a murder; but it is really about how America screwed Japan and ended the Asian Tigers. Happening now to China.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 22, 2018 12:10 PM  

"So while not importing Asians is a good first step, it won't solve the fundamental problem of flagging white motivation"

@22 Unknown
Ending discrimination against white males might do it.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 22, 2018 12:12 PM  

"He stated several times that the Harvard graduates were the biggest idiots who ever walked through the door."

@11 Dirk Manly
When a university drives its white male percentage to zero, that's what happens.

Blogger Lance E October 22, 2018 12:28 PM  

Unknown wrote:the evidence - and common sense - indicate

Gamma alert.

Blogger Steb October 22, 2018 12:32 PM  

I think it was Steve Sailor who pointed out that racial quotas were a great opportunity for white students to network with the elite blacks who could help them in their future political careers. That's not a resource that Harvard is likely to give up without a fight.

Blogger S1AL October 22, 2018 12:39 PM  

"Einstein was very unmotivated in traditional academics, but was highly motivated to work on the particular problems that interested him."

Myth

Blogger doctrev October 22, 2018 12:44 PM  

If the Han are so convinced that indoctrinating their children with weapons-grade idiocy is not only permissible, but worth a huge amount of American currency, that solves many American problems. It's looking increasingly likely that Yalie Brett Kavanaugh will take a dim view of Harvard and Yale candidates, after they declared him an enemy of the state. The Ivies are literally destroying their connections to alumni in the name of convergence.

If test scores and homogeneity guaranteed global dominance, the Japanese would have never ceased their upwards trajectory in the 80s.

Blogger InformationMerchant October 22, 2018 12:55 PM  

@50 I was counting on that hatred. I don't want them to be a the strongest possible group. Likewise I was hoping that other non white alliances became more fragmented. Although your point about divide and conquer is true. It's also my understanding that both of the other groups hate the Japanese more than anyone else on the planet, so there's that. I have limited knowledge of Asian history, if the Koreans and Chinese have occupied each other like Japan occupied Korea or had anything that rivals the rape of Nanking/Unit 731, I don't know about it.



@63 Sure, but it's more than that.

In this case, that is the best part though. In the video, there's a beautiful moment in which the Chinaman that has declared all the blacks to be monkeys, including the president, is asked why they don't give the bikes away like US aid.

"If we are poor, you should be giving us these motorbikes for free."

https://r3---sn-aigzrn7e.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?c=WEB&ipbits=0&sparams=clen,dur,ei,expire,gir,id,ip,ipbits,ipbypass,itag,lmt,mime,mip,mm,mn,ms,mv,pl,ratebypass,requiressl,source&mime=video%2Fwebm&id=o-ANZtUymYxpEr7_AMlFkQ2o0Z6d07LOoHjt0_YBQb-12r&clen=3927187&ei=V_vNW6LkAYnO8wSumq6YDg&ip=2604%3Aa880%3A400%3Ad1%3A%3A6b6%3Ab001&pl=22&fvip=3&ratebypass=yes&itag=43&expire=1540247479&txp=5511222&key=cms1&signature=32C8AFA821A9C3B2CE56269ED0895AFD0CE58D60.2B7D5431F137AD5947CEDAD8C3F958BF219CC6CD&gir=yes&dur=0.000&source=youtube&lmt=1536265340624180&requiressl=yes&rm=sn-ab5rk7d&fexp=23763603&req_id=f501f29aa26da3ee&ipbypass=yes&mip=81.107.246.69&redirect_counter=2&cm2rm=sn-8pgbpohxqp5-aigl7l&cms_redirect=yes&mm=29&mn=sn-aigzrn7e&ms=rdu&mt=1540225764&mv=m

Blogger VFM #7634 October 22, 2018 12:56 PM  

@Steb

I never thought I'd be saying this, but Sailer is an idiot.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 22, 2018 1:05 PM  

@75

That video is quite interesting. I bet pretty soon, the Africans are going to be BEGGING for the Europeans to come back and restart the colonies -- because the Chinese are intent only on raping the African countries for whatever can be extracted, and aren't even trying to hide it. At least the European powers took a paternalistic stance (firm hand, but as a guide for self-improvement and development) rather than the thieving posture of the Chinese.

Blogger DonReynolds October 22, 2018 1:06 PM  

I do not know why I should be annoyed by the idea that half of Harvard admissions would be Chinese if they followed a strict meritocracy (test scores) basis... instead of blacks and hispanics and muslims and hindus.

I could live with the practice of Harvard, and all the rest of the Ivy League colleges, which was their entire history until fairly recently, of basing admissions on legacy, money, and scholarship. Unusually bright people could elbow their way into the better schools, based on their potential. In the absence of scholastic ability, it was always possible to buy a seat in the classroom, if mom or dad had enough money to throw. The legacy admissions were for the children of alumni. There was something of a tradition to attend the same school as dad or grandad.

What fills me with unease is the idea that Chinese, who qualify on the basis of scholarship, should not be admitted so that blacks, hispanics, muslims and hindus can attend Ivy League schools instead...including those who are less scholarly than the whites who have ALREADY been passed over to make room for them. So we do not have a problem with being unfair to start with to promote minority admissions and then we deny being unfair to Chinese students who are even more scholarly. It seems we have already had this discussion before, when Jews were routinely refused admission. (Paul Samuelson is a familiar story....Admiral Rickover, would be another example.)

I do not have a problem with anyone starting a new college in the USA or any problem with foreign universities recruiting American students, which could be the happy outcome of this entire issue. What if the Chinese built their own version of Harvard (in one or more of the 50 states)? They have the money to buy the faculty, land is cheap enough (and available), and they can select their own student body. Of course, it would be cheaper and easier to simply recruit Chinese students to universities in China. (What a novel idea!)

Blogger James Dixon October 22, 2018 1:09 PM  

> Does this mean we’re not going to the Chinese restaurant for Christmas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmXxrMC5Pv4

> So the problem seems to be flagging white motivation - they don't try as hard, study as hard, test prep as hard.

What's the point when your test scores don't mean anything to the admission boards?

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar October 22, 2018 1:17 PM  

Interesting. I had assumed that this case was determining the Constitutionality of preferences regarding American citizens at Federally funded universities. Foreign nationals should not enjoy the same benefit as Americans at those institutions. Particularly, hostile ones.

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 22, 2018 1:20 PM  

H.P. Lovecraft predicted an Asian takeover in one of his stories. Just saying.

This could be one of those "two button" memes: end affirmative action on one button, Chinese takeover on the other.

Perhaps a new road then? American schools for Americans? I won't hold my breath.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 22, 2018 1:36 PM  

James Dixon wrote:What's the point when your test scores don't mean anything to the admission boards?

There is this, and there is the fact that Americans face far higher opportunity costs than foreigners, especially in graduate school. University is a bad deal for an American. It can be a wise investment leading to a green card for a furriner.

Blogger Scott October 22, 2018 1:50 PM  

Consequently, there is a massive cheating problem on standardized tests

Eskimos have 50 words for snow; Chinese have 50 words for cheating.

White kids in American schools don't stand a chance against the Asian invasion. I've seen it first hand. My kid recently graduated from a pretentious private school replete with Chinese and Indian students. The Asians kids form what is best described as a mafia to exploit weaknesses in the school's ever growing, but ever losing, cheating defenses. It's amazing really. They do it all. The homework is divided and shared among the hive. They have the test before it is given. How? It depends. Some teachers are lazy and give the same test year after year. Many teachers give standard tests, which are only available to "teachers" with memberships to online standards websites where tests are available. Lol. Failing that, all faculty and students are connected through the school's IT dept. Easily hackable, one way or another. If the test itself isn't accessible, they can find the domain of questions used for the test, often provided by the teacher. These kids can memorize literally hundreds of questions and answers.

My kid did it the hard way. 4.8 GPA. Finished all the calculus, computer science, Merit Scholar, stellar test scores. Didn't get accepted to a single Ivy, but got scholarships to some decent 2nd tier schools.

College (Purdue) is the exact same setup. Asian mafia. Rampant cheating.

I was floored at the number of Asians in podunk West Lafayette, Indiana. They have what amounts to a Chinatown in the campus. The Indians aren't far behind.
God help us.

Blogger Crew October 22, 2018 2:19 PM  

Incoming. New Falkenberg Novel by John F Carr up on Amazon.

War World: Falkenberg's Regiment

Blogger ar10308 October 22, 2018 2:24 PM  

In my home town and alma mater, there are a whole bunch of Chinese kids with supercars driving around. Normally, you wouldn't see McLarens, Lambos, Bentleys, or Ferrari in central PA, but they are a much more common sight due to the Chinese students who have millionaire parents whose money would be complicated to bring back to the Mainland.

Having these supercars doesn't make them better drivers though.

http://www.statecollege.com/news/local-news/penn-state-student-killed-in-crash-on-south-atherton-street,1477804/

FYI, the speed limit on that section of road is 35mph, but this kid was driving his new Vette fast enough to split it half when he hit a tree in someone's front yard at 4am.

Blogger Zander Stander October 22, 2018 2:44 PM  

"she"

Blogger Don't Call Me Len October 22, 2018 4:48 PM  

@75 - Every other group in Asia dislikes-to-hates the Chinese for their insularity and their economic and political dominance in many places outside China (sound (((familiar)))?), and as pointed out above, their casual racism (which extends to everyone not Chinese). While WW II has certainly left scars, there are resentments in play here dating back hundreds of years.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 22, 2018 5:53 PM  

@87

And the Vietnamese will never forget the Chinese for that 1000-year occupation.

Do you really think that vast network of tunnels and rooms in Vietnam was dug in a few years?

Of course not. It's literally a hundreds or even thousand-year old network.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 22, 2018 6:58 PM  

"If you're suggesting America attracts especially motivated Asians to the extent that they would become 51% of high level admissions despite whites being the overwhelming majority of high ability people, then had they stayed in China the competition would merely be externalized, as I indicated."

Ahh, you're forgetting that if they stayed in China they'd have to build the Chinese platform up to a certain ground level to even have even footing to compete with us. When they come here they're taking our footing that we had to build.

Much of that overachievement we see here would go into filling the hole that is China, rather than just stealing our fertile soil to grow in.

"we measure actual performance, which is always mix of ability and motivation."

High motivation is an ability.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 22, 2018 7:04 PM  

"network with the elite blacks"

The elite blacks who wouldn't exist if they weren't propped up by those racial quotas? Mmkay.

Blogger Unknown October 22, 2018 7:12 PM  

Azure -

Correct, they'd have to build it up in China. There would be a time lag. But eventually, if they strive and we do not, we will be at a disadvantage at some point.

Incidentally, I'm not arguing whites should adopt a striving culture, just that this is at heart of the issue and some solution must be found.

Perhaps excluding non-white while upping the striving levels just enough.

Perhaps motivation is an ability, but this is a semantic game.

Let us say, then, we cannot measure abstract ability, but only manifested ability, and motivation is always a factor in any manifested ability, and that it waxes and wanes due to sociological, historical, and other factors.

Blogger Jim the Curmudgeon October 22, 2018 7:33 PM  

@82: " The Asians kids form what is best described as a mafia to exploit weaknesses in the school's ever growing, but ever losing, cheating defenses. It's amazing really. They do it all. The homework is divided and shared among the hive. They have the test before it is given. "

This is true, they take cheating to a whole other level. There was a recent peer-reviewed study out of the UCal system that showed that Asians are 9x more likely to engage in cheating.

I've seen this as a course instructor, and also as a student. There are whites who cheat, in particular those from former Soviet countries. They do not approach the level of sophistication of the Asians, though. I recall catching the little bastards passing around exam papers in an assembly line. Each student would do a single question and pass the exam paper to the next. The University refused to do anything about it. I had another fellow submit an essay the first page of which was exquisite, and the rest was incomprehensible. He admitted to plagiarism, but the University wouldn't do anything about it.


Whites, blacks, hispanics, and even Jews are at a disadvantage against the industrialized cheating. Add to that high average IQ, tremendous work ethic, parental pressure, etc. Getting into grad school reduces this a little bit, but there are still ways to cheat and game the system in a masters or PhD.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 22, 2018 7:36 PM  

"There would be a time lag. But eventually, if they strive and we do not, we will be at a disadvantage at some point."

I agree that our lack of motivation is disturbing, just to get that out of the way.

As far as there being a time lag, it might be lag eternity. Everyone able is going to jump at something they can jack for free, fewer at something they have to make for themselves. Also, they have to defeat all of their less capable, inclined, or antagonistic brethren to even get it done in the first place.

"Incidentally, I'm not arguing whites should adopt a striving culture"

I would actually argue for that, even though I'd almost certainly eat the whip-hand myself in such a situation. There is a balance to be maintained between work and play, however play is quite literally training, maintaining flexibility, and morale boosting for further striving.

"just that this is at heart of the issue and some solution must be found"

Decadence solves itself, fortunately/unfortunately.

"Perhaps motivation is an ability, but this is a semantic game."

Isn't everything?

"we cannot measure abstract ability, but only manifested ability"

Certainly. Measurement can only be made of what is perceived.

As an aspect of decadence, any actual lack of motivation will solve for itself through pain and blood and death. "Pain is weakness leaving the body" is one of the most true things I've ever heard, on so many different levels, and it's straight from the mouth of a bullet sponge fitness freak.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 22, 2018 7:47 PM  

@15 North
Does this mean we’re not going to the Chinese restaurant for Christmas?
----

This happened to me and my sis one year... literally was the only place open.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) October 22, 2018 8:33 PM  

79. James Dixon October 22, 2018 1:09 PM
What's the point when your test scores don't mean anything to the admission boards?



i'm one of those unmotivated talenteds that Unknown is talking about.

from the very first time i was ever aptitude tested, i've been volunteered for 'Gifted' programs at every school which had them. i think the first time would have been 2nd or 3rd grade.

without exception, they were all jokes.

they didn't teach us math or physics or science. they didn't teach us to paint or to read musical notation or to play any instruments. they didn't teach us shop skills or auto repair or welding. they didn't offer us any instruction in Rhetoric or Dialectic or drill us in Composition or any other language skills.

they had us look at pictures of classical art. in a textbook. maybe a little light reading. watch a few avant garde movies here and there.

there were no criteria for the class and the lazy cows "teaching" it didn't appear to have any particular ability themselves.

then, a couple of years later, the "Guidance Counselor" administered another test. this one was nominally to give us an idea of what we should be striving for as a career goal.

would you like to know what they recommended to someone who eventually qualified as a National Merit Scholar some years later?

they told me i should be a hair dresser.

the school told me that i was one of the most intellectually capable students in attendance and their best 'guidance' was that i should talk with a lisp and swish my hips and get a couple of hags.

even back then, i knew they were being willfully stupid.

now, i think they were intentionally working against me.

while math is my weak side, i skipped Electronics 1 in high school and went straight into Elect 2. within 2 weeks i was up to speed with the entire class. using an HP calculator and working polar coordinate equations so i could calculate V / I phase shifts.

but i should be a hairdresser. in the best assessment of the educational system, this was the highest goal i could aspire too.

Blogger Cecil Henry October 22, 2018 8:50 PM  


On a related note:

Turns out Jordan B Peterson DOES like identity politics.


Just not for Whites.


https://i.imgur.com/Co8idYm.png

Call me shocked!!

Blogger kurt9 October 22, 2018 10:09 PM  

"Chung Kuo"? Is that in reference to those David Wingrove novels? The actual country is called "Zong Guo".

Blogger Crew October 23, 2018 12:09 AM  

@97: Chung Kuo is the old Wade-Giles transliteration.

In Pinyin it is actually: Zhong1 Guo2 (I was too lazy to use the tone marks.)

Blogger Paul M October 23, 2018 4:00 AM  

Matthew T wrote:Pretty interesting thread, as China is certainly making no secret about wanting to make Canada a Chinese satrapy.

Even the most casual glance at a globe will explain why that is not going to happen. Australia, on the other hand …

Blogger Crew October 23, 2018 9:55 AM  

@99: And China is most likely financing the Invading Caravan!

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