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Wednesday, October 31, 2018

Facebook bans Proud Boys

Don't complain about being deplatformed, build your own damn platforms!
Facebook has started banning both individual accounts and pages, as well as associated groups, that are affiliated with the far-right extremist group the Proud Boys. The news was first reported today by Business Insider, which noted that members of the Proud Boys and adjacent online communities had begun complaining about the takedowns on Twitter.

The removals come in response to an act of violence in New York City earlier this month, in which members of the Proud Boys assaulted anti-fascist protestors outside a Republican club in Manhattan where Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes, also an original co-founder of Vice Media, was speaking. Facebook confirmed to The Verge that it was banning Proud Boys members and affiliated groups and pages from both its main social network and from Instagram. McInnes’ personal page is still active, but a number of high-profile groups, pages, and accounts have begun to disappear today.

“Our team continues to study trends in organized hate and hate speech and works with partners to better understand hate organizations as they evolve,” a Facebook spokesperson said in a statement. “We ban these organizations and individuals from our platforms and also remove all praise and support when we become aware of it. We will continue to review content, Pages, and people that violate our policies, take action against hate speech and hate organizations to help keep our community safe.” The company is citing violations of its rules on hate speech and the organizing of groups that spread hate both online and offline as the reason for the bans and removals.
The social media giants need conservatives and other right-wingers on their sites more than we need to be on them. We have repeatedly demonstrated that. The Darkstream has become popular enough that YouTube is now throttling recommended videos there and it is probably only a matter of time before that channel is deplatformed, which is why it has been on BitChute for the last few months.

People follow content, not platforms. Platforms are worthless without content. Yes, a change of platform will reduce one's audience, but the part of the audience lost, the part that can't bother to follow you to the new platform, is the trivial and largely irrelevant part. I'd rather have 2,500 staunch followers than 250,000 casual fans. Being deplatformed from Twitter and losing my 33k followers there did not harm me or slow me down in the slightest. I've never used Facebook for anything important. This blog is already backed up in multiple locations and we will not even break stride if Google forces Blogger to shut it down... although you should subscribe to either Castalia Book Club or the Daily Meme Wars to be alerted to the new site when the time comes.

When, not if.

Everyone needs to stop expecting fairness from their self-declared enemies or thinking that cucking just a little will cause them to spare you. If the next wave of deplatformings doesn't affect you, then the one that follows the social media giants' fury and despair when the Blue Wave fails to appear very well may.

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92 Comments:

Blogger H8KU com October 31, 2018 5:53 AM  

Who is going to build the blogspot alternative when Google decides to drop the axe?

Blogger Rick October 31, 2018 6:04 AM  

“Our team continues to study trends in organized hate and hate speech and works with partners to better understand hate organizations as they evolve,”

That tortured sentence is full of hate. Three times they say it. It’s laughable. What’s so bad about hating things? That’s all the left does is hate; full of hate 24/7.
They sound organized and hate plenty. They need to ban themselves.

Blogger VD October 31, 2018 6:10 AM  

Who is going to build the blogspot alternative when Google decides to drop the axe?

We built the first one in 2005. What part of "this blog is already backed up in multiple locations" did you find hard to understand?

"Backed up" does not mean that we have the data saved somewhere. It means we are running private mirrors of the content and have been for years.

Blogger Unknown October 31, 2018 6:20 AM  

VOX, I have written a longer comment and than thought about it...what would VOX say? You are forcing me to thought purity and to think twice and to not produce bullshit. Otherwise I can feel the pity in your voice when you say "Morons, you don´t understand...I don´t give a fuck".

Blogger Dirk Manly October 31, 2018 6:31 AM  

@Unknown

That's a Good Thing.

Blogger VD October 31, 2018 6:36 AM  

You are forcing me to thought purity and to think twice and to not produce bullshit.

The journey of a thousand leagues begins with but a single step.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 31, 2018 6:44 AM  

“Our team continues to study trends in organized hate and hate speech and works with partners to better understand hate organizations as they evolve,”

Freaking autistic NPC replicants masquerading as data scientists.

But that is the key take away there. Facebook's data scientists are trying like hell to study us and predict our behavioral patterns like an ant colony.

Then do...something...not really sure what but they'll figure that one out later, when the time comes to do it.

Bottomline, if you are going to be on Facebook, then learn how it works and feed their data miners garbage.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 31, 2018 6:50 AM  

“Our team continues to study trends in organized hate and hate speech and works with partners to better understand hate organizations as they evolve”

TL;DR -- We refresh some pages on the SPLC website SEVERAL times a per day.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 31, 2018 6:55 AM  

Silicon Valley management M.O.

1. Create something that attracts people
2. Once you have enough eyeballs, start toting your sight as a place for advertisers to place ads at.
3. Ban 90% of those users whose eyes you are selling to the advertisers.
4 ????
5. Profit.

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 31, 2018 7:07 AM  

Since "Jews are in the news" these days, I would say it's time to borrow some vernacular and call for an exodus.
But we need a promised land to go to.

Blogger Stilicho October 31, 2018 7:13 AM  

The only valid reason to be on facebuck is to promote the alternatives to facebuck.

Blogger basementhomebrewer October 31, 2018 7:44 AM  

Post lack of blue wave is going to be interesting. The SJWs are going to go insane and get extremely violent. The question is whether the opportunists in the Democrat party reign them back in. There are many members in that party who are just there for the power. Some will realize that they can't win elections by being unhinged. Not winning elections means diminished power. The question is how many will do that math and what they will decide to do about it. They may decide to screw elections and go full crazy to try and take power or they may decide to destroy the people who aren't capable of applying the veneer of civility.

Blogger Sun Xhu October 31, 2018 7:54 AM  

Did notice an oddity with the Darkstreams on youtube. The auto-play suggestions I get following darkstreams are all kiddy video channels. It's really bizzare.

Doesn't happen on any other channels.

Blogger Rickaby007 October 31, 2018 7:56 AM  

An published intellectual known as Ryan Dawson was deplatformed from Bitchute today. HesH not a race realist nor is he very right-wing. His greatest crime is being intellectually critical of jews and israeI, exposing their partaking in things such as 9/11.

Nothing online is truly safe.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 31, 2018 8:00 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:“Our team continues to study trends in organized hate and hate speech and works with partners to better understand hate organizations as they evolve”

TL;DR -- We refresh some pages on the SPLC website SEVERAL times a per day.


There is more to it than that.

A lot more.

In a nutshell the goal of Data Science is Asimov's psycho history.

Funny, right?

Unless you look at the results.

In the case of Amazon, Bezos just wants to use the A9 to sell you more stuff.

In the case of Facebook, Zuker-bot is trying to engineer human behavior.

That is what they mean when they say, "Facebook will change the world."

Laugh all you want but I was the one laughing at the idea of Facebook's "self-taught facial recognition AI." I thought the concept of feeding an AI thousands upon thousands of pictures of faces and having it learn how to recognize and name individuals was laughable... Until they did it.

Data Science will be the all and the everything in the battle for 21st Century minds.

Obama was the first to effectively utilize it to get elected president. Trump was the second.

Despite a double digit deficit in the polls, Trump's people used data science to reach his likely voters that had been staying home on election day since the Reagan Revolution.

Know your enemy and don't dismiss what he's doing because it doesn't instinctively make sense to you. That is good way to lose a war.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey October 31, 2018 8:02 AM  

Rick wrote:“Our team continues to study trends in organized hate and hate speech and works with partners to better understand hate organizations as they evolve,”

That tortured sentence is full of hate. Three times they say it. It’s laughable. What’s so bad about hating things? That’s all the left does is hate; full of hate 24/7.

They sound organized and hate plenty. They need to ban themselves.


Odd, isn't it? That the cases of hate on the Left continually elude these studious scholars of hate. And what vile vitriol you find there on leftists sites, it really is amazing.


It's a world where Ben Carson lands on SPLC's Hate Watch List for Extremism and not enough people laugh at them.

Blogger CarpeOro October 31, 2018 8:06 AM  

I seem to recall the Proud Boys (or at least McInnes) have emphatically stated they are not part of the Alt-Right(http://officialproudboys.com/proud-boys/we-are-not-alt-right/)? Example number I forget of how only standing up half-way to the Left leaves you off balance and ready to be pushed over.

Blogger Peaceful Poster October 31, 2018 8:14 AM  

Meanwhile, JF continues to happily livestream on YT with the likes of David Duke.

Blogger rumpole5 October 31, 2018 8:14 AM  

And your blogspot alternative website address is what?

Blogger VD October 31, 2018 8:20 AM  

And your blogspot alternative website address is what?

Why would I tell you that? What possible reason could you have for needing to know that now?

Also, plural. Addresses.

Blogger linesy October 31, 2018 8:21 AM  

Jesus, the article is fake news. The Proud Boys were being escorted by police when they were jumped by commies, who then had their asses kicked. That they were charged with Felonies shows that New York city is converged and to be avoided.

Blogger VD October 31, 2018 8:22 AM  

An published intellectual known as Ryan Dawson was deplatformed from Bitchute today.

That's a very foolish move on their part. It's a good thing we were already planning for another alternative.

Blogger Wanderer October 31, 2018 8:31 AM  

linesy wrote:New York city is converged and to be avoided

New York City is pure cancer. Get a load of this actual billboard (courtesy of Heartiste's blog):

https://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/climateofhate.jpg?w=500&h=508

Blogger rumpole5 October 31, 2018 8:39 AM  

I don't know why these fools are tampering with the reliability of their product. I already find myself going to the trouble of using duck duck go instead of google for searches. Doesn't google lose revenue every time I do that? It certainly must lose the opportunity to snoop into my habits and tastes and sell that info to 3rd parties so that they can pester me with all the targeted adverts.

I hope to live to see these F-acebook, A-lphabet, G-oogle, companies go the way of Montgomery Wards, K-Mart, and Sears.

Blogger Pioneer Spirit October 31, 2018 8:40 AM  

Soon we will be communicating WW2 shortwave style.

"Jean has a long mustache"
"Jean has a long mustache"

Blogger rumpole5 October 31, 2018 8:50 AM  

Re: "What possible reason could you have for needing to know that now?" Just lazy convenience, so that I can paste it into my index of essential info so that I don't have to search around for it when the blogspot site goes dark. Gotta have my daily VD-Dread Ilk fix, ya know.

Blogger Dave October 31, 2018 8:51 AM  

Speaking of NYC, Milo just now on Facebook: "I’m on Bernie & Sid 77 WABC in a few mins talking about Bill de Blasio’s milophobia and my new book about the Pope!"

http://www.wabcradio.com/bernieandsid/

de Blasio shut down, sorry, rescheduled Milo's speech at NYU earlier this week.

Vox, is this the Milo book CH is publishing?

Blogger David Ray Milton October 31, 2018 8:53 AM  

@Linesy - Agreed.

I listen to Gavin’s podcast. It was a very haunting progression of how things went down with that incident. I’m sure most are aware of how the fight with ANTIFA occurred and the events leading up to it, but of more relevance is what happened afterwards.

Originally, no charges were filed against the PB. Then, since Cuomo wanted to politicize the fight it seems as if he made a few phone calls to prosecutors and now several charges are being filed against the PB.

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but I think the discussion usually centers around such and such tech company or media company is screwing over the Right (such as Facebook). It seems the discussion in the near future could be such and such branch of government is cracking down on the Right.

Don’t give up your guns.

Blogger Rocklea Marina October 31, 2018 8:54 AM  


"Jean has a long mustache" 
"Jean has a long mustache"


The chair is in the drawing room.
The chair is in the drawing room.

Blogger Harry Goldblatt MD October 31, 2018 8:57 AM  

@25 Being a ham radio amateur is going to be very useful in a post breakdown society.

Blogger Lurker October 31, 2018 8:58 AM  

"In the United States, it is a federal offense to open someone’s mail. This is considered a criminal breach of privacy that could land someone in prison for up to five years. Metaphorically speaking, each piece of data we create on the Internet — whether photo, video, text, or something else — can be thought of as parcel of mail. However, unlike opening our mail in real life, Internet companies can legally open every piece of mail that gets delivered through their system without legal consequence. Moreover, they can make copies of it as well. What these companies are doing would be comparable to someone opening our mail, copying it at Kinkos, then storing it in a file cabinet with our name on it and sharing it with anyone willing to pay for it. Want to open that file cabinet or delete some of the copies? Too bad. Our mail is currently considered their property, and we have almost no control over how it gets used.
Could you imagine the outrage the public would experience if they found out that the postal service was holding their mail hostage and selling it to whoever was willing to pay? What’s happening with data on the Internet is no different, and it’s time this changes..."

https://medium.com/greater-than-experience-design/privacy-by-design-7b1165d045e0

Blogger Lurker October 31, 2018 9:04 AM  

"I hope to live to see these F-acebook, A-lphabet, G-oogle, companies go the way of Montgomery Wards, K-Mart, and Sears."

They will, everything lefTARDS do is extremely transitory. NPCs ghettoize the internet like East Germany circa 1960. Let them work on the internet equivalent of the Berlin Wall and lock themselves inside. What else would you expect from programmed NPCs?

Blogger camcleat October 31, 2018 9:12 AM  

"Soon we will be communicating WW2 shortwave style.

"Jean has a long mustache"
"Jean has a long mustache""

Via RSA encrypted Morse Code. No Voice = Less Tx power required.

Blogger Dave October 31, 2018 9:17 AM  

Milo's new book, Diabolical: How Pope Francis Has Betrayed Clerical Abuse Victims Like Me—And Why He Has To Go., is not published by Castalia House.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/hit-the-pope-where-it-hurts/

Blogger Wade R. Potts October 31, 2018 9:27 AM  

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Blogger Blunt Force October 31, 2018 9:33 AM  

I can't say that it's deliberate on the part of YouTube, but as of late when I'm watching Darkstream, which I invariably do on Roku, I frequently have to restart it due to Youtube dropping it several times.It could have something to do with the live stream. Regardless, it truly is annoying .

Blogger camcleat October 31, 2018 9:34 AM  

I can still walk out to a public square and yell, writhin reason, any racially charged or offensive statement. The police will not doing anything about what I said.

I'd like to see that experiment.

They have all kinds of laws and local ordinances they can hide behind, and "hate speech" laws are in place in some locations.

Besides, what happens later in court is of no concern to many cops, especially those acting politically. So, you might win in court, but that won't stop your arrest.

I would have believed your assertion a few decades ago, but not here in Current Year.

I'd suggest LA, Chicago, Atlanta, NY, Austin, Minneapolis and Denver as candidate locations for you to try it out.

Blogger camcleat October 31, 2018 9:39 AM  

and "hate speech" laws are in place in some locations.

Correction: being sought, not in place

Blogger Dave October 31, 2018 9:46 AM  

Blunt Force wrote:I can't say that it's deliberate on the part of YouTube, but as of late when I'm watching Darkstream, which I invariably do on Roku, I frequently have to restart it due to Youtube dropping it several times.It could have something to do with the live stream. Regardless, it truly is annoying .

I don't recall ever having a problem watching live streams on youtube on any device.

Blogger Dangeresque October 31, 2018 9:48 AM  

All this deplatforming is making me realize, among other things, how little I liked social media and certain levels of absurd technology in the first place. I might have a flip phone again soon at this rate...

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 31, 2018 9:55 AM  

Right-wing groups need to think more like underground Christians in China. If you organize and promote your group openly on the most mainstream of mainstream sites, you'll be lucky if you only get banned.

That they were charged with Felonies shows that New York city is converged and to be avoided.

I thought we learned this lesson at Charlottesville, where right-wingers went to protest peacefully after being warned it was a trap, and then it was exactly that. New York City, seriously? How many times are right-wing groups going to step on this rake?

Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes, also an original co-founder of Vice Media

This may be unfair to him, but now when I hear about someone emerging as a leader on the Right, I just wonder how recently he was working for the enemy: Occupy, the UN, the Obama campaign, the media, etc.

Blogger Sagramore October 31, 2018 9:58 AM  

@25 @30 @33

Packet ham radio with your sound card

Blogger Dangeresque October 31, 2018 10:08 AM  

Rickaby007 wrote:An published intellectual known as Ryan Dawson was deplatformed from Bitchute today.

Hmmm, where did you see that? What was the name of his channel there? He has a Twitter still - not sure how that is still the case! - but I didn't see him mention it.

Blogger Unknown October 31, 2018 10:14 AM  

The right used to have the blogosphere, before social media existed. Places like Facebook and Twitter cannibalized all the former blog posters, and now they are too lazy to go back.

I highly suggest that the right start blogging again. Get DNS registrar hosting from a resistant provider, get web space from another resistant provider, and then no one can kick you off the internet. Stop being so damned lazy, and get your asses off the platforms of your enemies.

--Unknownsailor--

Blogger Dave October 31, 2018 10:15 AM  

@43 Was Vimeo, not Bitchute as per:

Harry Goldblatt MD wrote:Hi VD, it was mentioned in a previous Dev Stream that Ryan Dawson's Bitchute account was suspended. This is NOT true. It was his Vimeo account that was taken down.

To my knowledge Bitchute has not suspended anyone for political opinions. It is a platform with few vulnerabilities.

Blogger Cecil Henry October 31, 2018 10:26 AM  

There is nothing that FAcebook does that can't be readily done by hundreds of other sites with appropriate linking and interconnection of info.


We have an one internet of websites, what we need is an internet of standard social media interconnection.

When that's done, and it can be done unilaterally, there is no need for Facebook, and nothing unique about it either.


I've never seen anything Facebook does that can't be done through other means, which is why I completely left it 2 years ago, after hardly ever using it anyway.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 31, 2018 10:30 AM  

"Laugh all you want but I was the one laughing at the idea of Facebook's "self-taught facial recognition AI." I thought the concept of feeding an AI thousands upon thousands of pictures of faces and having it learn how to recognize and name individuals was laughable... Until they did it."

Learn about neural nets, which can be simulated with a single CPU and memory.

Blogger Random #57 October 31, 2018 10:32 AM  

In the US, is it really wise for us to voluntarily disconnect ourselves from the "national conversation" such as it is? By all means build alternative platforms, and use them as well, but for now you'll still be heard by a lot more people if you're on Facebook or Twitter.

And if/when you're purged from them, that'll wake up a few more people in your audience, and shift a lot of them to your backup platform. Although I expect that to become a wack-a-mole game, so far the tech left has been willing to do everything but mess with Internet routing to shut down their targets, and that extreme can't be too far off.

Blogger Got Sardonic October 31, 2018 10:32 AM  

@16: It has nothing to do with hate. Replace each instance of "hate" in that tortured sentence with "right-wing" and you'll have a more accurate description of their intent.

@25: You could securely communicate using a Biblical-based metaphorical language a la Captain Dathon in the ST:TNG episode Darmok. Nobody on the left would ever catch on; attempts to crack the code will either fail to fully grasp the intent conveyed or score conversions.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 31, 2018 10:36 AM  

@19

"And your blogspot alternative website address is what?"

Dude -- OPSEC.

Operational Security.

You don't have ANY need-to-know at this time, so don't EVEN ask.

Blogger icr October 31, 2018 10:38 AM  

What cities *aren't* converged? I did see that Guadalajara hosted a (Mexican) nationalist conference a few years ago that included David Duke and E. Michael Jones as featured speakers. Amren apparently lost its regular venue in a TN state park and maybe should consider relocating to Costa Rica.

Blogger James Dixon October 31, 2018 11:11 AM  

> The auto-play suggestions I get following darkstreams are all kiddy video channels.

SJW's always project.

> In the US, is it really wise for us to voluntarily disconnect ourselves from the "national conversation" such as it is?

We're not going to be given any choice in the matter.

Blogger Matrick October 31, 2018 11:12 AM  

I see it as a good thing when mild, alt-lite groups get censored. The enemy treats them exactly as they treat the more 'extreme' groups and this will surely help to push the right together. It would be ironic if the enemy United the Right.

Vox, do the mirrors of this blog also backup the comments? It would be a huge shame to lose them all.

Blogger VD October 31, 2018 11:18 AM  

In the US, is it really wise for us to voluntarily disconnect ourselves from the "national conversation" such as it is?

Is it really wise for us to voluntarily refuse to engage on ground that favors the enemy, Sun Tzu?

Blogger VD October 31, 2018 11:19 AM  

Vox, do the mirrors of this blog also backup the comments? It would be a huge shame to lose them all.

No. Feel free to back them up yourself. The comments are not my responsibility.

Blogger Lurker October 31, 2018 11:21 AM  

"Laugh all you want but I was the one laughing at the idea of Facebook's "self-taught facial recognition AI." I thought the concept of feeding an AI thousands upon thousands of pictures of faces and having it learn how to recognize and name individuals was laughable... Until they did it."

Learn about neural nets, which can be simulated with a single CPU and memory.



Thus the moniker lefTARD. And why they HAVE TO unionize/"borganize"? not enough individual processing power and also why they have many SPOF (See Deathstar), but when the right nominally gets together watch out!

Blogger Dirk Manly October 31, 2018 11:26 AM  

@42

>> Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes, also an original co-founder of Vice Media

> This may be unfair to him, but now when I hear about someone emerging as a leader on the Right, I just wonder how recently he was working for the enemy: Occupy, the UN, the Obama campaign, the media, etc.

Well, he DID make a video of himself sticking things in his rectum, reportedly (on this blog by another commenter) positioning the camera to show _everything_ that no sane man wants to see.

Blogger OneWingedShark October 31, 2018 11:36 AM  

H8KU com wrote:Who is going to build the blogspot alternative when Google decides to drop the axe?
I have a Bulletin Board that would make for a good comments-section, and the parsing-algorithm can be easily extended to blog-posts.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 31, 2018 11:38 AM  

In the US, is it really wise for us to voluntarily disconnect ourselves from the "national conversation" such as it is?

There really isn't a "national conversation" on social media, because of the echo chamber effect and the enormous quantity of it. You're preaching to your choir of friends or followers -- the ones that haven't muted/hidden you without your knowledge -- and the left is doing the same. It's a bunch of people venting while no one listens.

I have a Twitter account because I enjoy the fact that I can tell Bill Kristol he's a loser now and then. But I don't kid myself that he or anyone else is affected by it. I thought of a witty rejoinder to Jason Alexander's stupid tweet about Trump that got a bunch of likes and retweets. Yay, I guess? The retweets were all surely from fellow right-wingers who are followed by other right-wingers. And it was one reply out of tens of thousands of replies and retweets. I will have more effect on the "national conversation" by a couple things I say at Thanksgiving dinner than I can have on Twitter. It's for entertainment purposes only.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 31, 2018 11:38 AM  

@26

" Just lazy convenience, so that I can paste it into my index of essential info so that I don't have to search around for it when the blogspot site goes dark. Gotta have my daily VD-Dread Ilk fix, ya know."

Did it occur to you that if Vox posts that info now, it will be used by our enemies at the time that it's needed?

Think farther along the game than your own next move, and start considering what your opponent's move will be.

Since google archives EVERYTHING on blogspot, then if they shut down this blog, they will sift through every URL and internet hostname they can find.

Have you ever played even checkers?

Blogger VD October 31, 2018 11:42 AM  

Just lazy convenience, so that I can paste it into my index of essential info so that I don't have to search around for it when the blogspot site goes dark.

Then subscribe to both email lists. We'll let everyone know immediately. Think about how fast we successfully responded to the IGG retro-cancellation. Do you really think that was by accident?

And we're not done doing so.

Blogger Random #57 October 31, 2018 11:43 AM  

@52 James Dixon:

> In the US, is it really wise for us to voluntarily disconnect ourselves from the "national conversation" such as it is?

We're not going to be given any choice in the matter.


That remains to be seen, but I'm assuming it will happen, FAANG seem quite willing to lose 30-50% of their US audience for the perceived political gain. Hence my use of "voluntarily disconnect", and the followup which you did not quote on what can happen after you're purged. Plus we can walk and chew gum at the same time.

@54 VD:

In the US, is it really wise for us to voluntarily disconnect ourselves from the "national conversation" such as it is?

Is it really wise for us to voluntarily refuse to engage on ground that favors the enemy, Sun Tzu?


That the ground is unfavorable does not mean it's entirely denied or useless to us, that just tells us the limits to what we can accomplish on it. For example, there are still people who can be reached in conventional social media, including directing them to our own forums.

Facebook is particularly interesting in that a lot of units of local governments use it as their primary means to communicate with the public, and all sorts of good stuff happens in these. Facebook is not quite ready to purge half the country's police forces, or censor them when they for example praise armed civilians helping them chase down criminals. And circling back to my following unquoted point, if/when they do, they'll redpill that many more normies.

And continuing the Sun Tzu theme, if/when they force us into Internet death ground, things will get quite interesting, in potentially favorable ways if we've adequately prepared for it. (See here where it's translated as desperate ground.)

Blogger Random #57 October 31, 2018 11:46 AM  

@59 Damelon Brinn:

In the US, is it really wise for us to voluntarily disconnect ourselves from the "national conversation" such as it is?

There really isn't a "national conversation" on social media, because of the echo chamber effect and the enormous quantity of it. You're preaching to your choir of friends or followers -- the ones that haven't muted/hidden you without your knowledge -- and the left is doing the same. It's a bunch of people venting while no one listens.

I have a Twitter account....


I'm definitely not talking about Twitter, which I've never so much as made an account on. Many Facebook communities are different, and useful, see my comments @62 for some details on that.

Blogger VD October 31, 2018 11:48 AM  

That the ground is unfavorable does not mean it's entirely denied or useless to us, that just tells us the limits to what we can accomplish on it. For example, there are still people who can be reached in conventional social media, including directing them to our own forums.

Irrelevant. The problem is that none of the key influencers will move over to the other platforms because none of their followers will do so. You are making the same strategic mistake of NASCAR and other organizations that prioritize outreach at the expense of their core purpose.

Blogger VinceLRN October 31, 2018 11:54 AM  

Conservatives should have built platforms a long time ago, instead they complained the whole time.

Blogger VD October 31, 2018 11:56 AM  

Conservatives should have built platforms a long time ago, instead they complained the whole time.

Exactly. Almost all media conservatives not named Pat Buchanan or Joseph Farah are completely useless. Seriously, they would rather whine and cry about Wikipedia than use Infogalactic, even though there is no chance whatsoever that doing so will do them any good at all.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 31, 2018 12:02 PM  

when Vox says you should LEAVE Facebook and Twitter and social media, why are you arguing with what he is saying.
Social Media leftist executives are very, explicitly up front as describing you as an idiot, a trusting sheep on its way to the slaughter.
You are being constantly studied and manipulated while you have an account with them.

"Oh, but I'm not stupid enough to use their app on my smart phone so they can't quietly (but not secretly since they TOLD you they're doing it) monitor everything thing I say on the phone and track everywhere I go with that phone". Yes, they have found work arounds to that minor obstacle.

Did you know that if you have a Facebook or any of its satellite companies account, that they track your entire web browsing history, how many clicks you do, what you buy online, what products you look at online, how long you keep those pages open, even what you type? And all that is permanently archived. More, they test what impact they can have on your behavior by manipulating your newsfeeds and ads.

And they are monitoring who all your friends are, and what they are saying. And selling that information to many other companies.

And now, they are trying to get access to your bank account numbers. Come on, that was in the news just a couple months ago. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET YOUR BANK ACCOUNT INFO!!!! The longer you stay on the platform, the more info you are giving your deadly enemy. The enemies who have clearly told you they hate you and want you to die.

Blogger Posterity George October 31, 2018 12:05 PM  

Any resources or leads on who is providing much needed blogging alternatives? I'm using corporate WordPress, which is fine, but it's only a matter of time until some post attracts enough attention to get shut down. I don't have the capacity to set up a server with proper security myself. Surely there's space for someone with Alt-West values to provide the service?

Even so, if we're realistic, building our own platforms is just a delay tactic, since converged ISPs will provide the next level of atrack. And major legal overhaul would be needed to compete there.

Blogger Lance E October 31, 2018 12:05 PM  

CarpeOro wrote:I seem to recall the Proud Boys (or at least McInnes) have emphatically stated they are not part of the Alt-Right

Yeah, how's that working out for them? I wonder if Gavin has learned anything from this experience about not ceding frame to the left. Guessing not.

Random #57 wrote:FAANG seem quite willing to lose 30-50% of their US audience for the perceived political gain.

And there will always be a Fox News to capitalize on that 30-50%. When you leave money on the table, someone else will swipe it. Despite Fox's current bland, boomeresque and even leftist-leaning tone today, who do you think did more to shift politics in the USA and beyond: Fox News, or the Token Conservatives at CNN and the New York Times?

This is ridiculous concern-trolling. Building new platforms is always the right move when the existing platforms either aren't serving or are actively hostile to your interests. There doesn't even need to be politics involved.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 31, 2018 12:06 PM  

and as far as using Duck Duck Go, you are STILL using Google, just using an interface that scrapes some, but not all, of your personal identifiers. Google still tracks those searches. And Google still manipulates the results those searches show.

Much, MUCH better to use another search engine and tell others to do the same, and starve Google of some of its data and power.

Blogger Random #57 October 31, 2018 12:09 PM  

@64 VD:

That the ground is unfavorable does not mean it's entirely denied or useless to us, that just tells us the limits to what we can accomplish on it. For example, there are still people who can be reached in conventional social media, including directing them to our own forums.

Irrelevant. The problem is that none of the key influencers will move over to the other platforms because none of their followers will do so. You are making the same strategic mistake of NASCAR and other organizations that prioritize outreach at the expense of their core purpose.


Just like none of your followers will "move" if/when Google purges this Blogspot?

Perhaps I'm not being clear, today you can get some people to also participate in alternative forums. I have no idea how many people, but I know there are many blogs which I, my family, and friends have started following only because they were mentioned on another blog, very possibly including this one.

Do we have any idea how many people use for example Facebook exclusively, who perhaps follow a link, but never then add that forum to their daily or weekly routine? And turning it around, how important is it to gain the attention of those who do upon occasion add a new blog or whatever to regular participation?

You're also discounting the utility of non-key influencers, which I don't see as being possibly entirely correct; for example, how many people do I have to influence with, say, 20 minutes per day of my time, for that to be worthwhile?

Blogger Random #57 October 31, 2018 12:18 PM  

@67 Revelation Means Hope:

when Vox says you should LEAVE Facebook and Twitter and social media, why are you arguing with what he is saying....

[Snip.]

And now, [Facebook is] trying to get access to your bank account numbers. Come on, that was in the news just a couple months ago. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET YOUR BANK ACCOUNT INFO!!!! The longer you stay on the platform, the more info you are giving your deadly enemy. The enemies who have clearly told you they hate you and want you to die.


Well, yes, but the only way to avoid the Eye of Soros is to entirely disconnect yourself, stop using the Internet altogether, for as you noted in the portion I snipped, they are still tracking us. If you believed or perhaps just fully understood your own advice, you wouldn't have made that comment here on a FAANG forum. Facebook in particular is known to build up dossiers of people who've never created an account, or probably ever used the site. You also have to forgo a smartphone for a feature phone, something I can't do for practical reasons of home maintenance.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 31, 2018 12:20 PM  

@63 Random #57,

I know Facebook gives you more options, including private groups, so that's a fair point that it's not as worthless as Twitter for communities. But I don't know why the fact that Facebook won't purge city police forces has anything to do with how they might treat my non-governmental right-wing community. A year or so ago they purged dozens of Catholic groups without warning, and then restored them all the next day. They claimed it was a mistake -- probably a trial run that wasn't intended to go live -- but the point is you're not just building on sand, you're building on someone else's sand. I guess that's fine, as long as you stay flexible and understand it could all go away any second.

I stopped using Facebook a couple years ago, but I logged in the other day to look for something. I noticed a couple of my conservative friends still sharing all the same crap they were sharing two years ago, while no one comments on any of it. I'd bet their friends have become blind to it, even if they agree. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about when people say they're redpilling others on social media. They're probably doing nothing of the sort. They're just burning off energy, and I wonder if it would be more effectively burned another way.

Blogger Troushers October 31, 2018 12:29 PM  

"I'd rather have 2,500 staunch followers than 250,000 casual fans."

An important insight, first heard Cernovich say something similar. Makes me think of CNN, blaring fruitlessly on a thousand empty departure lounges.

There's a vanity in boasting of a large number of watchers or readers, when there is little measurable impact.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 31, 2018 12:30 PM  

there are still people who can be reached in conventional social media,

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. While the number of such people and the chance of my reaching them that way may not be zero, I think it's very close. I think I'd stand a better chance of reaching someone new if I went and said the same things on a soapbox on a street corner somewhere. At least that way the novelty of it might prompt someone to listen and take a flyer.

Blogger Random #57 October 31, 2018 12:31 PM  

@73 Damelon Brinn:

@63 Random #57,

I know Facebook gives you more options, including private groups, so that's a fair point that it's not as worthless as Twitter for communities. But I don't know why the fact that Facebook won't purge city police forces has anything to do with how they might treat my non-governmental right-wing community....


It doesn't, and as you attest to no one's surprise in the part I snipped, you should not build separate communities on the sand of Facebook. But that doesn't mean you can't accomplish good things on communities that already exist on it, especially the police ones before Facebook perhaps someday go full BLM. Just don't put "too much" time and effort into it, for me it might not even be 10 minutes a day unless a hot discussion gets started. And in return, even if I don't attempt to influence anyone, I'm much better informed about local happenings and trends, these sources, public entities and private companies and individuals are overlapping with my not all that useful local newspaper and TV and radio stations.

Blogger John Best October 31, 2018 12:49 PM  

I have been looking into build a UK and Ireland wide internet with my cousin. When the globalist system is wiped out, then nations will need their own internet.

Blogger Sheila4g October 31, 2018 2:39 PM  

@51 icr: " Amren apparently lost its regular venue in a TN state park and maybe should consider relocating to Costa Rica."

Do you have a link to confirm that? I don't read Amren regularly, but have not heard/read that their annual conference would not be taking place as usual. We had planned to attend their TN venue for the first time this coming year. VDare has had repeated attempts to host an annual meeting thwarted by 'illegal' cancellations, but is planning a couple of small ones in NY - where I won't go, even if the dates weren't already inconvenient for me.

Blogger Lance E October 31, 2018 3:27 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:I stopped using Facebook a couple years ago, but I logged in the other day to look for something. I noticed a couple of my conservative friends still sharing all the same crap they were sharing two years ago, while no one comments on any of it. I'd bet their friends have become blind to it, even if they agree. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about when people say they're redpilling others on social media. They're probably doing nothing of the sort. They're just burning off energy, and I wonder if it would be more effectively burned another way.

Can confirm. A close associate is very proud of her membership in some private "conservative" Facebook group. It's a useless circlejerk full of "huh huh libruls r dumb" posts and Patriot Humor tier trash. It will never do anything to move the overton window, and for the most part is just keeping her and the other members trapped in the mental prison of 30-year-old boiled-potatoes not-quite-progressivism. It apparently serves no purpose other than to make her feel just safe enough not to leave the progressive asylum or make any serious changes in her life.

Patri referred to this as "folk activism" - over 10 years ago.

It's sad that there are still people on the so-called right who think that they "memed Trump into office" or that shitposting is an extremely effective political strategy. These things may have some limited value, especially when weaponized by an entity like /pol/, but what matters in the end is people who actually go out and do something about it. And no, I don't mean shooting up a synagogue, I mean building competing institutions that last.

Vox is 100% right: you're not "red-pilling the normies", you're giving them an excuse to stay on progressive platforms and consume political content that is analogous to porn for its desocializing and demotivating effects.

Blogger rumpole5 October 31, 2018 3:36 PM  

And your search engine recommendation is what? (Or is that a "double secret probation" item like VD's alternate addresses?)

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 31, 2018 5:32 PM  

If you're using Brave software, it shows other search engines under the Settings/Searches. Bing is one such example.
Sad day when Microsoft no longer seems nearly as evil of a big brother company.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 31, 2018 5:43 PM  

You don't need to strive to entire avoid the "eye of Soros".
Because it is impossible to do so in modern society.
What we are telling you and anyone who will listen, is that deleting your Facebook account (not just pausing it, but going through the entire deletion process) cripples their data algorithm system, not kills it.

I had the full Facebook thing going, with several hundred friends and was the controller of several groups. Over several weeks I made sure I contacted all friends that I wanted offline contact information, made sure all others knew I was leaving, and dozens contacted me to get my offline contact information. Deleted more and more old posts, deleted my photos, deleted my comments, my "likes". And then unfriended about 100 people per day. THEN I deleted my account.

And now all of my friends and contacts reach out to me in the real world, in person, on the phone, by email. And our connections are becoming deeper, the trust is growing deeper, and we are able to build a better network that isn't reliant on the good will of the tyrants who live a few miles away.

I have been astounded at the number of meat-space friends who are already red-pilled, now that we are meeting in person much more often. Right here in the very heart of Silicon Valley.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 31, 2018 5:50 PM  

@2 Rick
“Our team continues to study trends in organized hate and hate speech and works with partners to better understand hate organizations as they evolve,”

That tortured sentence is full of hate. Three times they say it. It’s laughable. What’s so bad about hating things? That’s all the left does is hate; full of hate 24/7.
---

Because, as we all know now, they are projecting.

Blogger Random #57 October 31, 2018 7:05 PM  

@82 Revelation Means Hope:

You don't need to strive to entire avoid the "eye of Soros".
Because it is impossible to do so in modern society.
What we are telling you and anyone who will listen, is that deleting your Facebook account (not just pausing it, but going through the entire deletion process) cripples their data algorithm system, not kills it.


Given what I know about browser and browser/system/human fingerprinting, like how you move your mouse, and how Facebook for example uses the phones of people who've loaded one of their apps to monitor phones that come close to them, plus all sorts of other tricks I've forgotten or haven't yet imagined myself, I don't think it's a fraction as easy to cripple as you think.

Blogger InformationMerchant October 31, 2018 7:18 PM  

@41 Gavin is a different type of case.

Years ago, he said "white is the best" rather than "the west is the best", he toyed with some other ideas that he would never touch now.

Even 2 years ago, he was Alt Lite but not a complete cuck. He still mentioned race and IQ, he still talked to Jared Taylor about race and crime. He said 'there are no real nazis, the so called "nazis" are feds, spies and LARPers.'

Since then he has routinely talked to the media and bitched about them not reporting on him accurately, he has mentioned multiple times that his weakness is his wife getting social blowback due to him, he has called the Alt Right "actual nazis", he went from the Rebel to Compound to CRTV.

The last video I saw of him was of him describing the fight in New York, he spent some time cucking about one of his guys saying "faggot" in a fight. https://youtu.be/lJdgP6mTpH4?t=180

He is cucking on multiple fronts and he is refusing to learn from his mistakes.

Banning him is an interesting judgment call. If I were the left and needed to apply pressure to his Clinton supporting wife, I'd do that. I'd do that every day until he let me put words in his mouth.


Unfortunately due to the deplatforming of the right, I can't actually cite the white stuff or many of the other uncuckservative things he has said. Almost all the worthwhile links here are broken: https://www.salon.com/2017/03/16/bad-boy-gone-worse-is-vice-co-founder-gavin-mcinnes-flirting-with-a-dangerous-fringe/

At some point he has walked back a bunch of the uncuckservative things, which ties neatly into the weaknesses that have been more pronounced since.

The left should probably stop deleting all evidence of him not being a cuck.

As for the other stuff about him. Here is a censored video: https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/991750945506807809

About a minute and 20 seconds in, you can verify some interesting behavior.

If you want an uncensored picture you can google "gavin mcinnes dildo", hit images with safesearch off. One of the first pictures will be a collection of a frontal nude, a bent over rear nude and a picture of him with a sextoy up his ass.

I honestly wouldn't recommend either of these, but the censored video will at least prevent you from having to verify it the uncensored way. The frontal nude in the censored video is not the uncensored frontal nude google will give you.

Blogger tz October 31, 2018 9:46 PM  

Glenn Beck compares Gavin McInnes to Malcom X (implictly comparing himself to MLKjr - sans the adultery and communism).

Build your own platforms? Where is the 1000 page spec on how to do it right so it is Vox approved? Gab built it, almost a million came (how many use InfoGalactic? How many actually edit it? Will it be done before either Vox or I are centegenarians?). And ... it was deplatformed, just like Alt-Q by IndeGogo. I don't see Alt-Q back up yet, but I expect Gab to be back up in less time than a funder. I wish good fortune for both the Alt-whatever comics and for Gab and Infogalactic, but would wish the punching would stop in all directions even if there is vehement disagreement. Clone Gab, add your moderation, and see if anyone uses it. A great social media network that opens in December of 2020 is worth less than a faulty one today. Carpe Aeon?

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 31, 2018 11:18 PM  

Many will (/are) simply run as Republicans.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 31, 2018 11:24 PM  

I remember laughing when I heard the phrase "hate speech". It was so on the nose, so 1984, I couldn't imagine people would take it seriously. At the time I naively thought many US Citizens were actually Americans.

Blogger Raker_T October 31, 2018 11:26 PM  

What is the word, ominous, amazing? The way they can indoctrinate and vet people for positions monitoring the right, who never slowly begin to get red pilled. Shoot, why do I make assumptions? Maybe they do get woke, and terminated. Cast on the rocky coastline of harsh reality. No, I'm not quitting my day job to be a writer.
My world is very physical. At times, it involves design, but that's always followed by implementation. All day, every day, I have to fix something, come up with a solution, figure out a new process. I'm not writing apps, or doing machinist calculations for multi axis milling machines, or figuring probability quotients for nuclear reactions. But it's still challenging, I survive mentally by regarding it as a game of sorts.
That being a long winded intro to the question of how much have we contemplated all the possibilities of a fluid communication situation? Or should I say Nomadic? Here are a couple of ideas; I don't present them as effective to a large degree, but rather, to get people thinking. C'mon, it's a game, join in, there's this devious little epiphany awaiting you if you figure something cool out.
Here are a couple of examples: I've been experimenting with raster images for the internet, probably 99.9% of the memes you see are that. But what I'm working on is a way to have a written message, that can only be read by a human. Sure, one SJW on the net will report it, but until then, it can't be read by OCR or image recognition. What I did was start with a winter time picture of dense tree branches. Then I posterized it, then imported it into a vector program. Then I ran it through a trace feature, which vectorized it. Then I typed my message out one letter at a time, in ornamental typefaces, over the branches. Like the old ransom notes in movies. The letters were varying sizes, some had shadows, some outlines. I think I welded it all together before exporting it as a PNG (raster, like a JPG) I don't remember the exact process, but I ran it through a OCR program, and it was clueless. Again, a human can read it, but a machine, probably not, so an algorithm looking for words might not. Point being, I'm the guy from 1882, you guys can probably do better.
Here's another idea, I have no idea of its worth: You remember seeing those paper ads at the store's bulletin board that said X for sale, then the bottom of the page had their phone number written a bunch of times at a right angle to the edge, with cuts between each number? That way, interested people could tear off a phone number for themselves. Yeah, so what if there was a way, in this age we have 3D printers and all this stuff; what if there was a way to buy or make lots of very low cost, low capacity USB flash drives. Like 5 or 10 cents each. They would have a web address on them, for right wing sites, and could be distributed cheaply. Maybe people would just respond to a QR code on a flyer.
Again, these ideas might be on the opposite end of the spectrum from brilliant, but you guys make awesome comments, what can you ponder in this department?

Blogger Raker_T October 31, 2018 11:46 PM  

@86 I was a big user of Gab, but there were nagging suspicions I had. I have to be careful about not letting a mood get too much foothold, but there were days when it felt like the place was crawling with infiltrators. Like a snakepit in a Hollywood movie. Think True Grit, or Raiders of the Lost Arc. I've also been using other SM: VK, Minds, OneWay. Last night, I came across a video made by Derek of OneWay. To him, Gab is trash, and he explains why. It was like a lot of pieces fell into place while he was talking. It's not the kind of news I like bearing, but it's certainly worth watching. If people want a link, I think I can find it.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 01, 2018 12:33 AM  

There are some customary things to do...

1: If you're not steve, change your name to steve before posting such things.... or at least mention him

2: general internet courtesy: follow such things with a url to some eyebleach

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eyebleach/
https://imgur.com/r/Eyebleach/oYTGSr3



Blogger Dirk Manly November 01, 2018 12:34 AM  

@86

"Build your own platforms? Where is the 1000 page spec on how to do it right so it is Vox approved? Gab built it, almost a million came"

...and then pissed off anybody who isn't an alt-retard by allowing the posting of porn and libel.

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