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Thursday, October 11, 2018

Indiegogo cancels AH:Q

Your transaction has been refunded
Your transaction to ALT-HERO:Q on Indiegogo has been refunded!
Indiegogo’s Trust and Safety Team determined this campaign didn’t comply with our Terms of Use. You’ll no longer receive any perks associated with this transaction. Please visit our help center for further information on how Indiegogo protects users.
Needless to say, we're looking into this. We've got everyone's email addresses and so forth, so if we have to set up our own crowdfunding platform, we will do so. However, in light of the fact that Indiegogo has done this retroactively, we are already looking into the legal aspects of their actions. I am not yet aware of any reason, in fact, I do not even know if the scheduled payment for the campaign was delivered on schedule or not two weeks ago. I assume not, but I won't be able to confirm that until tomorrow.

I've already talked to The Perfect Aryan Male, the architect of our lawsuit against GT Interactive. Suffice it to say that the band is back together!

If you're Legal Legion of Doom and licensed in California, get in touch and join the team.

UPDATE: This lawsuit should prove educational. At first glance, it looks very similar. It's very interesting that it was filed in Massachusetts.

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188 Comments:

Blogger Knoggelvi October 11, 2018 6:30 PM  

Have they given you any reason why it was canceled?

Blogger Al From Bay Shore October 11, 2018 6:30 PM  

Sue the hell out of them and make them pay for the funding of the comic. I'll still send my refund to you guys. Go for it!!!!!!

Blogger Seth Schueler October 11, 2018 6:31 PM  

Sue their pants off and use the dough to kick start Alt-Crowdfunding!

Blogger Freeholder October 11, 2018 6:31 PM  

Oh, you have got to be kidding me. (Actually, I was not surprised when it was on Indiegogo, that they would pull this). Here I was, minding my own business, dealing with several real life emergencies and they go pull this. I knew I should have pledged more.

Blogger Mad Italian October 11, 2018 6:31 PM  

If you need the VFMs we are ready.

Blogger AvocadoBob October 11, 2018 6:31 PM  

They have no idea what they’re unleashing.

To me, it’s similar to Reid’s “Nuclear Option”.

We will turn their weapons against them.

Blogger Mister Karolus October 11, 2018 6:31 PM  

I can't wait for the excuses, contrition and wailing and gnashing of teeth after inevitable victory

Blogger Elijah October 11, 2018 6:32 PM  

we should have expected this. the crazy left has lost too many battles lately in the culture wars. they only know how to double down and ban more bad think and bad projects. hope you sue the living hell out of them. i stand ready to make my donation again.

Blogger tuberman October 11, 2018 6:34 PM  

Likely planned way ahead.

Blogger Janus October 11, 2018 6:35 PM  

Conan, what is best in life?

*Grabs popcorn.*

Still not tired, and worth every penny.

Blogger Seth Schueler October 11, 2018 6:35 PM  

@1 my email said this;

"Your transaction to ALT-HERO:Q on Indiegogo has been refunded!
Indiegogo’s Trust and Safety Team determined this campaign didn’t comply with our Terms of Use."

Blogger ar10308 October 11, 2018 6:37 PM  

I've also been reading reports that Facebook just unpublished a few hundred politically deplorable pages and groups in the past 24 hours.
Soundsike the digital Iron Curtain is being drawn across various avenues of speech.

Blogger Silent Draco October 11, 2018 6:37 PM  

Don't forget to add all the femurs to the settlement. VFM have to gnaw, too.

Only took them 12 hours after a good, fairly balanced interview where you could make a good case. REEEs leave a greasy trail, no doubt.

Blogger David The Good October 11, 2018 6:38 PM  

This is why I am no longer a libertarian.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 11, 2018 6:40 PM  

"But, your honor, after the campain closed, we received several dozen emails from people who didn't participate stating that it made them feel bad. And that made US feel bad. Don't you understand??? Tooo manny feeelz badzzzz!"

Blogger Avalanche October 11, 2018 6:41 PM  

Horror horrors horrors! I really thought this would come through. I know the Dark Lord will right this floundering ship, but I'm beyond dismayed....

Blogger Bad Attitude October 11, 2018 6:42 PM  

I got the "Your transaction has been refunded" email, too.

Do you need donations for your lawsuit against Indiegogo?

Blogger Dirk Manly October 11, 2018 6:42 PM  

""Your transaction to ALT-HERO:Q on Indiegogo has been refunded!
Indiegogo’s Trust and Safety Team determined this campaign didn’t comply with our Terms of Use.""

I bet that will fly real well with a judge -- accepting business, and then deciding after the fact (like when the transaction was all but over) that the entire premise didn't fit their terms of use."

I would go for triple damages, minimum.

Blogger Stannous Baratheon October 11, 2018 6:42 PM  

funny whenever we start to doubt Vox’s predictions about this stuff, something comes along and confirms the heck out of them.

Blogger Daniel October 11, 2018 6:42 PM  

Business, SJW-style, pt. II.

Blogger Brad Matthews October 11, 2018 6:45 PM  

Indie Go Stop

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 11, 2018 6:46 PM  

If all else fails, give us a snail mail address and we can send checks.

Seth Schueler wrote:Indiegogo’s Trust and Safety Team ...

And there you have it. Converged.

Blogger Tino October 11, 2018 6:46 PM  

The same sum is available to you at moment's notice for any purpose, including a lawsuit against these knuckleheads. Unbelievable!

Blogger pyrrhus October 11, 2018 6:46 PM  

These people are completely nuts...The legal costs alone will make their actions absurd on such a small transaction...Kinda like that Ellison babe.

Blogger AgentBJ October 11, 2018 6:47 PM  

I'm more curious about who will call IndieGoGo out and refuse to use them because of this. If they can do this to Alt-Hero Q, every other creator is at risk of the same.

Blogger VFM #4388 October 11, 2018 6:48 PM  

Horror horrors horrors! I really thought this would come through. I know the Dark Lord will right this floundering ship, but I'm beyond dismayed...

Don't be dismayed. We didn't know when this would happen, but we knew it would eventually happen. The Dark Lord predicted it. The Dark Lord warned other platforms of it.

The Dark Lord has a plan.

Blogger Andy in San Diego and Elsewhere October 11, 2018 6:49 PM  

Give me an address, I'll stick a Benjamin in an envelope and mail it.

Blogger Looking Glass October 11, 2018 6:50 PM  

David The Good wrote:This is why I am no longer a libertarian.



There's more than a few around that are going, "Tell me more about how impaling enemies on spears improves the decor."

More seriously, if this happened beyond payment windows, there is many potential fiscal liabilities. Details highly matter here.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 11, 2018 6:50 PM  

Would contributors have standing?

Blogger Bill Gable October 11, 2018 6:51 PM  

I'm ready to recontribute. Those pages we saw made us extremely eager!

Blogger Bultz October 11, 2018 6:53 PM  

Mainstream media influence has fallen apart in the last 3 years if competition has been reduced to this

Blogger Looking Glass October 11, 2018 6:55 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Would contributors have standing?

If you get your money back, it'd be a stretch. If you don't get your money back, then there would be a "class" available. On the Arkhaven end, that's a different story.

Blogger Unknown October 11, 2018 6:57 PM  

Just let me know where to send my $150, Vox.

And fight on, dues vult.

Blogger Christian Schulzke October 11, 2018 6:58 PM  

I backed Alt Hero Q and will happily do so again!

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction October 11, 2018 6:59 PM  

Interesting, were they contractually obligated to provide the funds within certain time frame and with notification requirements if they were not going to?


Also, my $ 40 will become $ 80.

Blogger Silly but True October 11, 2018 7:02 PM  

@VD:

Ready to recontrubute +1.

Do you need anything from us to ensure or mitigate all your AH:Q commitments?

Can “drop check in mail” / tomorrow if need be.

Blogger Dr Caveman October 11, 2018 7:02 PM  

Not sure if it helps, but the cancellation email refers to their terms of use. However, that link does not work

I'm also doubling my contribution, because f*ck 'em that's why

Blogger MendoScot October 11, 2018 7:02 PM  

BONES! BONES! BONES!

Blogger Daniel October 11, 2018 7:04 PM  

What is amazing is how Arkham has enslaved SJWS to write chaptees of Corporate Cancer. THAT'S what I call resource management.

Blogger Dr Caveman October 11, 2018 7:05 PM  

From a lawsuit perspective, I hope you nuke them from orbit for retroactively cancelling a funded campaign that ran for months

Blogger Desdichado October 11, 2018 7:05 PM  

What an incredible opportunity! Does Mike still know sooner folks at Breitbart? They can put up an article and Streisand effect the hell outta this.

Blogger James Pyrich October 11, 2018 7:05 PM  

Let's make them regret that shit.

I'm in for double-backing.

Blogger Looking Glass October 11, 2018 7:10 PM  

Daniel wrote:What is amazing is how Arkham has enslaved SJWS to write chaptees of Corporate Cancer. THAT'S what I call resource management.

Vox going hard at the efficiency plays. Make more comics while filling out other books with examples.

Blogger Seth Schueler October 11, 2018 7:10 PM  

This just makes me want to upgrade to hardback.

Blogger MeneMene October 11, 2018 7:11 PM  

Doubling up when the door opens.

Blogger OneWingedShark October 11, 2018 7:14 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:Would contributors have standing?
They should, but the lawyers would likely weasel out claiming something along the lines of "since the monies were refunded, there were no damages" on the part of the contributors.

Bill Gable wrote:I'm ready to recontribute. Those pages we saw made us extremely eager!
Same here.

VD wrote:We've got everyone's email addresses and so forth, so if we have to set up our own crowdfunding platform, we will do so.
Three things:
(1) I'm ready to contribute two or three times as much as I originally did, my finances have improved a little and given the return on investment of the original Alt-Hero campaign I look forward to seeing similar with Alt-Hero: Q;
(2) If you do make a contribution platform, I would be up for working on it either implementation or design; and
(3) It's not a "sexy"/trendy/popular choice, but if the currency-handling is done in Ada's SPARK-subset, then the properties/correctness can be proven via SPARK's proving tools. (And the code can be made publicly available like the NSA did with the Tokeneer project.)

Blogger Looking Glass October 11, 2018 7:17 PM  

Apparently all of the interest has crashed their T&S page. haha

Blogger Xiety October 11, 2018 7:17 PM  

I will absolutely back again if you come up with an alternative. Will also back legal action if you decide to go that route.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 11, 2018 7:17 PM  

IMO they are the perpetrators of a fraud

Blogger Attila is my bro October 11, 2018 7:18 PM  

Ahhhh... You beat me to it. Exactly what was running through my mind.

Blogger Silly but True October 11, 2018 7:18 PM  

Out of curiosity, does one structure crowdfunded project subcontracts (printer, binder, packagers, etc.) who clearly need to have commitments ready towards end of process as pay-when-paid? Pay-by date? I figure some type of “successful campaign” clause is necessary, but are deposits painful?

Are people accommodating to crowdfunded project delivery?

Blogger Slagenthor October 11, 2018 7:21 PM  

Didn't contribute to the campaign, because sloth, but will pledge $100 for lawfare.

Blogger The Kurgan October 11, 2018 7:26 PM  

Just saw their email now.
Burn them to the ground!
I’ll send my cash by carrier pigeon if I have to.

Blogger Tom M October 11, 2018 7:26 PM  

Being an old fart I like books and I'm not into comics. I bought a few digital editions of Alt-Hero to support the cause.

I also signed up for AH:Q at the lowest (digital edition) level. When Vox told us that Indiegogo was cancelling AH:Q I went to that email and un-subscribed from all future Indiegogo emails. I told them the reason I was un-subscribing was that they cancelled Alt-Hero Q.

I'm sure Indiegogo doesn't give a rat's scabby rear end but they will know why they won't be getting any more of my money.

SO when Vox sets up another FundMe I'll have to support it at a greater level. Maybe get the print editions and give them to nephew/niece.

Blogger Pyro Smith October 11, 2018 7:28 PM  

I will double.

Make the rubble bounce.

Blogger Daniel October 11, 2018 7:28 PM  

Contact the help center for clarification.

Blogger Unknown October 11, 2018 7:28 PM  

I will triple my pledge should you need help funding lawfare.

Blogger Daniel October 11, 2018 7:30 PM  

I do wonder if this will have a negative effect on the publication schedule of Cyberfrog...2020? 2021?

Blogger Don't Call Me Len October 11, 2018 7:30 PM  

They should, but the lawyers would likely weasel out claiming something along the lines of "since the monies were refunded, there were no damages" on the part of the contributors.

Counter-argue with the time value of money and/or opportunity costs (they were holding your money that could be put to other purposes)? Obviously I'm no lawyer, just blueskying it.

Blogger Krymneth October 11, 2018 7:31 PM  

I also pledge to double my contribution, at a minimum. More as circumstances dictate.

Blogger Korppi on oikeus October 11, 2018 7:31 PM  

I'll double.

Blogger DJ | AMDG October 11, 2018 7:31 PM  

I will also double my contribution. It’s hit too close finally for me. This year. Damn. I’m getting progressively more angry. My ancestors burned down buildings and sunk ships for less. This has got to stop.

Blogger Elder Lyons October 11, 2018 7:32 PM  

I WANT my AH:Q books!!
Create the contribution platform so i can double up.
I want to hear their reeeeeeeee

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira October 11, 2018 7:36 PM  

Put it back up somewhere else, I'll recontribute.

Blogger SirHamster October 11, 2018 7:37 PM  

Mad Italian wrote:If you need the VFMs we are ready.

Watch the latest Darkstream.

VFM are activated.

Blogger Conor Foran October 11, 2018 7:39 PM  

Give us the details on how you want this to work, and I will double my contribution. Then take them for treble damages.

Praise God and pass the ammunition.

Blogger Lance E October 11, 2018 7:41 PM  

Vox should crowdfund the lawsuit against IndieGoGo... on IndieGoGo. For the lulz.

(No, not really. But it would be a riot.)

Blogger Ron October 11, 2018 7:46 PM  

I'm not just waiting for the campaign to restart. When I get home, I'm watching tonight's Darkstream. Then I'm buying comics directly from Castalia House. I'll email the idiots at IGG and will visit Chuck's website. After that I'll fund some Republican campaigns because we can't let the damn dems gain any more political power. Vox, I'll help fund your future campaigns and lawsuit. Just give the word.

Blogger AdognamedOp October 11, 2018 7:47 PM  

With respect. You wrote the book on SJW's. Did you bother to research this indy gg platform before committing? Right now, these maniac leftists see the mid term elections as some sort of decisive battle and are going full crazy on all levels.

Blogger eclecticme October 11, 2018 7:51 PM  


I have no idea if this is legally binding.
https://www.indiegogo.com/about/terms#/disputeresolution

Blogger pyrrhus October 11, 2018 7:51 PM  

Got the email, but no deposit yet...

Blogger tweell October 11, 2018 7:51 PM  

Ready to double down here.

Blogger Helixfreak October 11, 2018 7:53 PM  

I typically download YouTube videos via the iPhone app for later viewing, but this functionality appears to be disabled on the recent Alt-Hero:Q Darkstream. I've only noticed this on restricted videos in the past.

Sign of impending unpersoning?

Blogger Alex The Great October 11, 2018 7:55 PM  

My contribution just got 10 feet taller.

Blogger electricsheeple October 11, 2018 8:00 PM  

I like the idea of crowdfunding a lawsuit. Remember, Peter Thiel funded Hulk Hogan for a lawsuit against Gawker. Peter Thiel got a cut of the damages for doing so. Is there website that allows to crowdfund lawsuits?

Blogger SirHamster October 11, 2018 8:01 PM  

AdognamedOp wrote:With respect. You wrote the book on SJW's. Did you bother to research this indy gg platform before committing? Right now, these maniac leftists see the mid term elections as some sort of decisive battle and are going full crazy on all levels.

Vox is smarter than you. He's used alternate platforms like Freestartr to avoid Kickstarter. What makes you think you found something he missed?

The surprising thing, that he pointed out on the Darkstream, is that they canceled it now, after the campaign was done. Now IndieGogo is potentially on the hook for broken contractual obligations.

The negative outcome here is irrelevant to the production of AHQ. Leave it to SJWs to make pointless gestures that leave them open to harm, and gain for their targets.

Blogger CitizenOutkast October 11, 2018 8:11 PM  

Got the email today, too. I'll wait to see how it plays out. If they don't reinstate AH:Q and so continue their SJW stupidity, I'll cancel my account and tell them exactly why. If they do reinstate and Vox uses something else next time, I'll still delete the account. Done with them. I'll still back again and may even double, but that will depend on my finances at the time.

Blogger Man of the Atom October 11, 2018 8:17 PM  

Have not yet watched Darkstream, but no doubt the possibility of mid-level SJW interference similar to Amazon is being considered as well.

Looking forward to future updates.

Blogger Avalanche October 11, 2018 8:19 PM  

@26 "Don't be dismayed. We didn't know when this would happen, but we knew it would eventually happen. The Dark Lord predicted it. The Dark Lord warned other platforms of it.
The Dark Lord has a plan."

Thank you VFM! (And doesn't he always have a plan?) Still the email from the slime was shocking...

Blogger Barf Barfolo October 11, 2018 8:19 PM  

"if we have to set up our own crowdfunding platform, we will do so"

Game changer!!

Blogger pyrrhus October 11, 2018 8:21 PM  

I don't understand why the money wasn't paid to VD when the campaign was over, which would have eliminated this possibility...

Blogger marknivenczy October 11, 2018 8:23 PM  

I think this may be my fault. I unsubscribed when they started spamming my email with other funding "opportunities."

Blogger tuberman October 11, 2018 8:23 PM  

I will double-back this, of course.

Blogger Silent Draco October 11, 2018 8:31 PM  

I will double-back this. Additional perks are acceptable.

Suggestion as a counter-punch, if this is crowdfunded inside, is to set up a separate logo or business center for other artists that wish to crowd source. Name it Ballistae, Axilia, or another Legion-related name. Provide business service for a fee, but the artists of course can use other internal resources for fulfillment.

Blogger Tom M October 11, 2018 8:33 PM  

Just watched the Darkstream. Double funding (1/2 goes to AH:Q and 1/2 to legal fund) sounds like a good idea.

And it sounds like an interesting speculation. If AH:Q loses the lawsuit I lose 1/2 my 'investment' but still get AH:Q.

But if AH:Q wins the lawsuit I get AH:Q and extra, like more issues of ALT:Q or whatever. I trust Vox to make it juicy so I'm in.

Blogger Greg Hunt October 11, 2018 8:38 PM  

Exactly.

Blogger The Observer October 11, 2018 8:41 PM  

Double funding is something I can do, yes.

Blogger PragmaticTroll October 11, 2018 8:42 PM  

I will double my backing as well.

Blogger KC9ZNR October 11, 2018 8:44 PM  

I am also in for double-funding the project. This is war.

Blogger Looking Glass October 11, 2018 8:46 PM  

I look forward to the chance to crush a SJW-outfit over a Q-related project. That'd just be so enjoyable.

Blogger tz October 11, 2018 8:52 PM  

One of the evils I've been fighting almost forever is the "mandatory binding arbitration" clasuses in nearly everything including any smartphone, but Indegogo also has one. I will assume for the moment Vox jumped through the rather difficult hoops and has proof. But if not, there will be "no day in court" because that right has been given up. And will the Kangaroo arbitrator rule in favor of some individual or the big corporate give me more business side? And the whole thing will be sealed anyway.

Blogger TimovK October 11, 2018 8:55 PM  

Ah. I just popped over here because I have just received the references email. It will be interesting to see how this ends.

Blogger R Webfoot October 11, 2018 8:55 PM  

BoundingIntoComics article is already up

Blogger Brad Matthews October 11, 2018 9:01 PM  

IndiegoF.O.

Blogger John October 11, 2018 9:01 PM  

In for double-backing (or whatever), no question. WWG1WGA

Blogger Lurker October 11, 2018 9:02 PM  

Looks like there is more business opportunity for an Alt-Right crowdfunding site startups.

Blogger Unknown October 11, 2018 9:03 PM  

They should, but the lawyers would likely weasel out claiming something along the lines of "since the monies were refunded, there were no damages" on the part of the contributors.

Does transaction fees count as damages? Say that the dollar is weaker now than when I paid. Would losses caused by that count as damages?

Blogger seeingsights October 11, 2018 9:05 PM  

It's high time to sue all these SJW converged companies.
Let me tell you, the SJWs making these decisions have no legal sense, no business sense.
If they didn't have their current job, they would be working as a barista.

Blogger tuberman October 11, 2018 9:08 PM  

91. tz

This will be far more than just a law suit, everything will come out about many thing, and many people who work there.

If...if this is not just a rouge SJW.

Blogger tuberman October 11, 2018 9:09 PM  

99. tuberman

rogue

Blogger JAU October 11, 2018 9:12 PM  

Vox, I've been procrastinating on backing Ember War but still planned to. Should I? Or does this change the plan?

Blogger Steampunk Koala October 11, 2018 9:13 PM  

I'm in for a doubling. All I need to know is where to send the money. The education from the situation alone is worth that much. Sue em, set up an alternative to run them out of business, both, all good with me. Let's add some more skulls to the pile.

Blogger Randomatos October 11, 2018 9:13 PM  

Does this mean IGG will 3nd up funding little resin statues of Q to go alongside our Rebels (speaking of, when do we get her?)?

Blogger Ken Prescott October 11, 2018 9:17 PM  

One of the evils I've been fighting almost forever is the "mandatory binding arbitration" clasuses in nearly everything including any smartphone, but Indegogo also has one. I will assume for the moment Vox jumped through the rather difficult hoops and has proof. But if not, there will be "no day in court" because that right has been given up. And will the Kangaroo arbitrator rule in favor of some individual or the big corporate give me more business side? And the whole thing will be sealed anyway.

IANAL, but doing out-and-out illegal stuff (like, say, tortuous interference) tends to get judges rather annoyed--to the point of voiding mandatory binding arbitration.

Then again, Indiegogo's arbitrator (JAMS) might suddenly decide that IGG has violated their Terms of Service, and IGG will get an email from some guy at JAMS named "Trust and Safety" telling them they're on their own.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey October 11, 2018 9:21 PM  

My biggest problem is figuring out what multiple to raise my backing by. It's going to be more than double. 100% on board!

Blogger Longtime Lurker October 11, 2018 9:23 PM  

What an exciting day! First, the Bleeding Cool interview. Then Indiegogo's Trust and Safety Team just had to fart in my general direction.

To say that I am willing to double my contribution would be an understatement under current oppressive circumstances. Headed over to the Darkstream broadcast now.

Blogger 360 October 11, 2018 9:25 PM  

I will also double my contribution. These bastards will learn that they aren't the only ones who can double down.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit October 11, 2018 9:27 PM  

The no-good rotten pestilential whoreson dogs.

Blogger CoolHand October 11, 2018 9:30 PM  

I've got a domain that I'm not using right now, and I can have a page up with a secure shopping cart and merchant account attached to it in a few days, week tops.

I assume that you've already got plans B thru G queued up and ready to go, but on the off chance that you need a quickie e-commerce platform, it's yours if you want it.

Blogger MB October 11, 2018 9:31 PM  

I like that it's called the "Trust and Safety Team", when they deserve no trust and their promises are not safe. They really are using Orwell as a how-to guide.
Do they also have a "Peaceful Conflict Resolution Team"?

Blogger tz October 11, 2018 9:32 PM  

@99 Almost ALL arbitration decisons have gag orders, so nothign will be exposed. And the procedures are often truncated so don't expect discovery in depth..

Blogger CoolHand October 11, 2018 9:32 PM  

And it goes without saying that my pledge is still valid, even if we have to do it via snail-mail.

We don't need these bastards to do this sort of thing.

Though it would be delicious if you were able to strike a blow at a converged organization and extract damages in the process.

If you can make a god bleed, their spell is broken.

Blogger Ahärôwn October 11, 2018 9:35 PM  

I'm in for doubling as well.

Blogger Al Du Clur October 11, 2018 9:41 PM  

There is no way that the SJW will allow you to continue to invade their domain of mainstream entertainment whether comic books or movies without their doing everything they can to undermine you. They understand that keeping a lock on traditional mass entertainment is central to their SJW mission. They also won't admit it but probably know that their product sucks and can't stand competition from a non converged company.

Going the route of your own crowdsourcing won't work in the long run as Chuck Johnson found. Visa, Mastercard and Paypal will eventually pull the plug leaving only bitcoin as a secure way to proceed. (eventually converged banks will probably block any transactions by wire and check to anyone or any company listed by SPLC and ADL as haters). Problem is that Bitcoin is still too early adopter for mass funding.

That leaves you with the need to start your own payment system to rival the credit card companies or Paypal.

It has been interesting following your problems with Amazon. Now you can appeal higher up and keep the lower level SJW in check. That likely won't last much longer and you will run into permanent censorship like Roosh. So, eventually you will need to start your alternative to Amazon for distribution. But first things first. You need your own payment system.

Remember that you state you have no sympathy for Alex Jones and others who use someone else's platform. To be as anti-fragile as possible you need to follow your own advice. Good luck!

Blogger Tom M October 11, 2018 9:45 PM  

The Bleeding Cool interview has been taken down. How is it I'm not surprised?

Blogger MrNiceguy October 11, 2018 9:47 PM  

SJW's always double down. Apparently, so do the VFM, myself included. In the event this turns out to be one rogue employee at work, a la Amazon, it'll be reinstated, and my double-down contribution goes to Ember War.

If not, I do like the crowdfunded lawsuit idea. Only one question: Anyone here tired of winning?

Blogger James Dixon October 11, 2018 9:54 PM  

> We've got everyone's email addresses and so forth, so if we have to set up our own crowdfunding platform, we will do so.

Just let us know. As with the others, I'd be willing to add to the amount for funding legal action.

> I think this may be my fault. I unsubscribed when they started spamming my email with other funding "opportunities."

You're not the only one, so I doubt it had anything to do with it.

> IANAL, but doing out-and-out illegal stuff (like, say, tortuous interference) tends to get judges rather annoyed--to the point of voiding mandatory binding arbitration.

Yes. Terms of a contract are only binding if a court says they are, and courts don't like being told it's none of their business.

Blogger Freeholder October 11, 2018 10:05 PM  

Double down at least. Just let me know where and when.

Blogger Felix Bellator October 11, 2018 10:09 PM  

Like an SJW, I will double down.

Blogger Steampunk Koala October 11, 2018 10:12 PM  

@114 Al Du Clur
You're coming about this from the wrong side. People like Alex who are genuinely shocked when stuff like this happens because they depend entirely on the SJW controlled system are different from people who utilize it as a front in the war. I found out about Vox from Twitter during GamerGate, and have been here ever since. You have to have a presence where the people are, but there's a difference between that and depending on an SJW system for your livelihood.

Get a lot of people on board and invested, let SJWs do what they do, and use that motivation to create yet another Alt-Tech avenue around them. But just like Trump and MAGA, you can't jump the gun, you have to wait until the crowd is on board for the change. A lot of good companies fail because they made the mistake of believing "if you build it, they will come". That is a lie; people will tolerate a mediocre thing they know over a great thing they don't, until the cost is clearly higher to stick with the old thing than the headache of switching.

And don't forget Vox literally wrote the book on spanking these people with their own behavior. The Dark Lord is smiling at this. Watch and learn.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey October 11, 2018 10:13 PM  

Tom M wrote:The Bleeding Cool interview has been taken down. How is it I'm not surprised?

Well how about that? Even when you get a honest attempt at a fair shake from a leftist, other leftists will pile on to shut that down. I ponder the fate of poor Mark Siefert! Has he angry baying outside his door? I hope that's not the case. But they eagerly devour their own when they can.

Blogger SHK October 11, 2018 10:24 PM  

I'll be doubling

Blogger Were-Puppy October 11, 2018 10:30 PM  

The bastards must pay for interfering with AH:Q

Blogger Reasonably Honest October 11, 2018 10:38 PM  

I'd double if I could but I can't so I won't.

They have absolutely no idea what they've done though. This is going to be fun.

Blogger InformationMerchant October 11, 2018 10:38 PM  

@69

There's a reason he used Freestartr last time. Comicsgate people got away with using IndieGoGo so he gave it a shot with a few backups.

I guess like all SJW tech they respond to massive numbers of complaints. The SJWs didn't manage to get it taken down earlier, I'd be surprised if Vox or some other friendly didn't send a single report on day 0.

Their timing is bad. The campaign is done and everyone has an email with their order, they were supposed to deliver money (and it wouldn't surprise me if they did) and they may be in legal trouble.

This wasn't planned. If they wanted to mess with the campaign they should've done it near the start, at this point they've fulfilled their purpose and told everyone that they're unreliable and can't be trusted in future.

Blogger pyrrhus October 11, 2018 10:40 PM  

Speaking as a practical trial lawyer, the big fun in this lawsuit, whether arbitrated or not, is in demanding massive production of documents from a corporation, then raking them over the coals when they cheat...Make sure you document everything.

Blogger pyrrhus October 11, 2018 10:41 PM  

If you can depose the key people who made this decision, and who did or did not authorize payments (I still haven't gotten mine returned), they will give the game away if you have the right documents.

Blogger Brad Matthews October 11, 2018 10:44 PM  

FacelessFunding.com on its way, mark it!

Blogger pdwalker October 11, 2018 10:48 PM  

Personally speaking, this would really piss me off. If I wasn’t angry at the left before, I am now.

I really hope you pull their spines out of their bodies, metaphorically speaking of course.

Blogger Gettimothy October 11, 2018 10:51 PM  

OT. SJWs Always Lue featured prominently in Kilpatrick's latest at VDARE. https://vdare.com/articles/kontemplating-kavanaugh-three-rules-to-help-patriots-fight-back-against-cultmarx-smears

Blogger MortemTyrannus October 11, 2018 11:05 PM  

Is it possible to just pay you directly through Castalia House? Maybe you could host a SKU that is backordered, until it is ready?

Blogger Unknown October 11, 2018 11:05 PM  

@121

Archive.is has it still, though someone has updated the archive with the current "not found" version:

http://archive.is/KgJ0s

--Unknownsailor--

Blogger InformationMerchant October 11, 2018 11:27 PM  

I feel bad for the creative team, backers and everyone else involved.

This kind of thing is invigorating though. I'm very proud of Alt Hero and Alt Hero Q getting attacked constantly. I'm impressed it got to the point where the platforms that were used for crowdfunding can't be used in the future.

My only regret is that it's lawfare. This is the least fun style of war that you were likely to have to participate in due to Alt Hero Q.

Blogger InformationMerchant October 11, 2018 11:29 PM  

@101 Vox is probably unable to recommend that you back campaigns on a website he's involved in a legal battle with.

I mean it'd literally be a bad idea to say "hey, this site is terrible and needs to pay me tons of money" and say to you "yeah, use this site."

Blogger Shamgar October 11, 2018 11:39 PM  

Uh Oh Indigogo, you done goofed on this one. VFM Activated. VFM on Go. Those right there would be cool comic titles.

Blogger InformationMerchant October 11, 2018 11:42 PM  

If it turns out that IndieGoGo just hadn't kicked the old Sanders campaign habit of matching other people's contributions, what happens?

Clearly a thank you to the SJW brigaders and future appearances on Bleeding Cool after campaigns would be warranted, but if IGG made no attempt to send you the payment before, it would be very interesting timing and wouldn't have a reason. Why wait 2 weeks before cancelling the campaign in that situation?

Blogger GammaCatch October 11, 2018 11:46 PM  

The Left never stops.

The Left never sleeps.

The Left hates more than we love.

It is magnificent to live in a time where we are actually fighting back.

I can't wait to see what THE moment is where we smash these people and shame them back to the holes they came from.

There will be a day that they will be as afraid to speak, think, or admit of what they were a part. As afraid as I was most of my life.

Blogger Bobiojimbo October 11, 2018 11:59 PM  

Welp, gonna haveta buy from Castilia Direct in the meantime to getcha y'all a direct infusion o' cash.

Keep us posted.

Blogger jdwalker October 12, 2018 12:18 AM  

Not part of the Legal Legion of Doom, but I am licensed in California. If I can help out, let me know.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 12, 2018 12:42 AM  

Doubling up here. The despicable fools.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 12, 2018 12:51 AM  

Bastards.

I'll up my pledge.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 12, 2018 12:54 AM  

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/10/11/an-apology-concerning-vox-day-we-made-a-mistake/

Bleeding Cool’s pusillanimous groveling for the sin of attempted journalism.

Tossers.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 12, 2018 12:57 AM  

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/10/11/an-apology-concerning-vox-day-we-made-a-mistake/

Bleeding Cool’s pusillanimous groveling for the sin of attempted journalism.

Tossers.

Blogger Dr Caveman October 12, 2018 1:17 AM  

Just read that drivel

They are folding like a wet towel. I wonder what it must be like, to live in constant fear of the people who are supposed to be on your side...

Blogger Lance E October 12, 2018 1:20 AM  

I wouldn't say that the person who posted that is "folding". Just look at xer Twitter.

I'm actually just a little bit curious what Mark would have to say after his previous comments here... but something tells me he won't be coming back.

Blogger The Lizard King October 12, 2018 1:25 AM  

I am not sure if I am able to muster double of my pledge right now, but once I get my next paycheck I will. I want these fuckers to get slaughtered. At some point somebody has to take a stand against the SJW/Corporate cancer and show them that they can't do what they please.

Blogger Xiety October 12, 2018 1:30 AM  

"The author admits that this was an extreme error of judgement that never should have been made..."

Bend the knee.

Blogger steb October 12, 2018 1:40 AM  

Resident Moron™ wrote:https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/10/11/an-apology-concerning-vox-day-we-made-a-mistake/

Bleeding Cool’s pusillanimous groveling for the sin of attempted journalism.

Tossers.


Oh. The Stasi have seized control of a comic book review website.

"Today one of our writers made an error in judgement... The author admits that this was an extreme error of judgement that never should have been made... effective immediately, I am stepping into the role of Editor-in-Chief and will be implementing new review policies across the Bleeding Cool teams"

And they switched off the comments.

I've no problem with doubling my original pledge. Either for a lawsuit or an alternative platform. These people are insane.

Blogger CoolHand October 12, 2018 1:45 AM  

Resident Moron™ wrote:https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/10/11/an-apology-concerning-vox-day-we-made-a-mistake/

Bleeding Cool’s pusillanimous groveling for the sin of attempted journalism.

Tossers.


Called that one.

Didn't even take a full day.

I hope Mr Whateverhisnamewas enjoys his stay in the SJW Gulag, and ruminates on whether he actually wants to BE on that side anymore.

He can't live here, but it would be good for his continued survival if he were to at least acknowledge that he can't live there anymore either.

By agreeing to do that interview, Vox has certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons over at BC.

13D underwater chess indeed.

Blogger Enjineer October 12, 2018 1:47 AM  

I am fed up with this bullshit. Isn't it time to take there ass down? Along with Fakebook, etc. I will double my support, just let me know what's going on.

Blogger DeeJay October 12, 2018 2:16 AM  

Hilarious.

"We're devoted to diversity and ending divisiveness! Also, people who are different from us need to go away: FIGHT THEM!"

Blogger Drael64 October 12, 2018 3:07 AM  

Most likely actually it was the community guidelines "Promoting or representing any individual, group, or organization that promotes hate or uses hate symbols and/or hate terms on their website, as defined by the Anti Defamation League".

Because the original alt-hero comics contain the "alt-right" symbol although it's not remotely mentioned in the story. Which would be a pretty weaselly way to ban. But I think that'll . Ie, a technicality likely found by some SJW campaigners after the bleeding cool article.

So basically they have an SJW clause. I don't think there will be a case here, legally.

Blogger Bultz October 12, 2018 4:24 AM  

I wonder if they're going to argue that Q is a hate symbol

Blogger artensoll October 12, 2018 5:32 AM  

I admit when I got the email I reacted in a very unladylike manner @indiegogo on twitter, but I'm English and no one swears like us. I'm relatively new at this so forgot myself. The Darkstream helped immensely, thank you for that.

I'm in for double and anything else you need from me fwiw.

Blogger Uncle John's Band October 12, 2018 5:59 AM  

A bit late to the party...

I'll double back - no question. As for the extra funds, I'm comfortable with whatever you decide is the best course of action.

Blogger roundeye October 12, 2018 6:13 AM  

The cause of action you are looking for is called tortious interference.

Blogger roundeye October 12, 2018 6:17 AM  

Also why sue them in California? Sue them on your home turf. The tort happened there so you have both jurisdiction and venue. The tort is separate from the contract. There has to be a backer in Houston or Mobile.

Make them howl.

Blogger James Dixon October 12, 2018 6:25 AM  

> Is it possible to just pay you directly through Castalia House? Maybe you could host a SKU that is backordered, until it is ready?

Let Vox work. He'll let us know how to proceed.

> Bend the knee.

Did he? Remember, SJW's always lie.

Blogger James Dixon October 12, 2018 6:26 AM  

> The tort happened there so you have both jurisdiction and venue.

International laws become interesting. Let the lawyers make the decisions. They're the ones who know what they're doing.

Blogger artensoll October 12, 2018 6:27 AM  

@97 Unknown "Does transaction fees count as damages? Say that the dollar is weaker now than when I paid. Would losses caused by that count as damages?"

This occurred to me too. I will not get 100% of my contribution back.

Blogger ottobego October 12, 2018 6:44 AM  

Alternate link to Terms: https://www.indiegogo.com/about/terms

I'm willing to triple my donation, through whatever means Vox decides is best.

Blogger Rick Webb October 12, 2018 6:48 AM  

I will back double

Blogger Ken Prescott October 12, 2018 7:46 AM  

"Also why sue them in California?"

Because political viewpoint is a protected class under California's anti-discrimination laws.

I suspect, based on the timing, that Trust & Safety may have done this after the corporate counsel (assuming they have a full-time attorney) went home for the day, and the attorney's going to walk in this morning to a massive case of shock-and-aw-s***.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 12, 2018 8:14 AM  

Does time value of money mean anything? Anyway I'm in for more next go around, and I'll put it upfront thru a legit outfit.

Blogger Azimus October 12, 2018 8:23 AM  

I wonder how close we are to not being able to ise credit cards without the correct political perspective, or if you will, the mark of the beast.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 12, 2018 8:30 AM  

Also unsubscribed from IndieGoGo, when asked for the reason, ticked "Other" and wrote:

"You cancellation of Alt-Hero:Q is despicable. I will never give you another cent. Do not ever contact me again."

Blogger Bultz October 12, 2018 8:45 AM  

@165 - they already have the technical capability as google will have all of that data. It sounds hyperbolic, but by defeating Clinton, Trump's presidential victory in 2016 is becoming the single most important moment in western civilization since the second world war. Can't even begin to imagine what the world would be like by now if she had won

Blogger James Dixon October 12, 2018 9:02 AM  

I've made my displeasure known at the "Customer Happiness" link: https://www.indiegogo.com/contact/questions

I doubt it will do any good, but they at least deserve to know why I'll never back another campaign on their site.

Blogger James Dixon October 12, 2018 9:09 AM  

> I wonder how close we are to not being able to ise credit cards without the correct political perspective, or if you will, the mark of the beast.

There are actually two problems involved. One is the payment processor who processes the payments from the cards. Stripe and Paypal are obviously fully converged, for example. The second is the card company themselves. MasterCard seems to be thoroughly converged and Visa isn't much better. And I already don't trust AmEx as far as I can throw them, for other reasons. As I've noted before, if Discover Card wanted to expand their market they could easily do so by becoming the default card of the right. I don't see them being intelligent enough to do so though.

Blogger Michael Riley October 12, 2018 9:27 AM  

I'll double up as well.

Blogger Matthew Taylor October 12, 2018 9:43 AM  

I will gladly double my initial funding pledge, as well as contribute to a lawsuit.

Blogger WendyRaf October 12, 2018 10:21 AM  

Go get 'em!

Blogger Xiety October 12, 2018 11:19 AM  

James Dixon wrote:> Bend the knee.

Did he? Remember, SJW's always lie.

Good point. But either he did what she says he did, or he didn't but has agreed to remain silent, which amounts to the same thing. Unless of course we do hear from Mr. Seifert himself.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 12, 2018 11:21 AM  

James Dixon wrote:. As I've noted before, if Discover Card wanted to expand their market they could easily do so by becoming the default card of the right. I don't see them being intelligent enough to do so though.

Discover was part of the Sears financial network. Sears is going into bankruptcy. Wonder if there is an opportunity to buy a card company cheap?

Discover is almost surely converged, and probably too stupid to do much damage. I bet they've been in thrall to the drama of raibow-haired HR cat ladies for at least two decades. They've been stupid longer than many of you have been alive.

I think my parents cut up their Discover card nearly thirty years ago, because Discover could never send correct statements. They've only been around for 35 years, so the stupid started early and probably goes clear to the bone.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 12, 2018 11:24 AM  

Vox, I didn't contribute to the comic, but now I'm eager to contribute, to lawfare or comic or both. Post up an address, or some such.

Blogger James Dixon October 12, 2018 11:32 AM  

> I think my parents cut up their Discover card nearly thirty years ago, because Discover could never send correct statements. They've only been around for 35 years, so the stupid started early and probably goes clear to the bone.

Well, as you said, they were owned by Sears. :)

But they are in the best position to make a clean break from the rest of the field. If only they had the intelligence and foresight to recognize it.

Google says the market cap of Discover Financial Services (symbol DFS) is 25.50B. I have no idea how closely held they may be, but I'd think it would take at least 10% ownership to gain effective control.

Blogger By My Greybeard! October 12, 2018 12:16 PM  

Vox,
I didn't buy-in because I swore-off all comics when I hit 25.

But if you need $ for litigation, I can scrape about $60 together immediately and set USAA to automatically send monthly installments for about the same amount to any account with a routing number.

I haven't sworn-off giving to The Good Fight™.

BmG

Blogger Ilk in Training October 12, 2018 12:39 PM  

Nothing brightens my day than to see the VFM unleashed. It has been a long time.
Original backer of both Alt-Hero and Alt:Q. I will eagerly double my contribution to Alt:Q. In the meantime, I shall consume popcorn and revel in the sight of the VFM howling across the plains in search of SJW bones an skulls...glorious!

Blogger lowercaseb October 12, 2018 2:25 PM  

I think it's awesome that Bleeding Cool taking action to consolidate the feuding sides of alt-Comics. GG and Arkhaven may not like or trust one another, but I am seeing nothing but messages of support on the various social medias.

as for me: You have my wallet

Blogger Solon October 12, 2018 3:11 PM  

I just wish their "women" would lament a bit less, the screeching and wailing is starting to become an ear-sore.

Blogger Last Redoubt October 12, 2018 3:42 PM  

Double or nothing.....

Blogger Dirk Manly October 12, 2018 4:37 PM  

@46

"They should, but the lawyers would likely weasel out claiming something along the lines of "since the monies were refunded, there were no damages" on the part of the contributors."

That would work, if it were not for the malicious nature of IndieGoGo in that their intent is to PREVENT backers from getting what they want.... that exists even with a refund.

Returning monies because part of your infrastructure just got hit by a Richter 9.0 earthquake, and will take years to rebuild the area is NOT the same as returning money because "we don't like who you're buying from."

Blogger Dirk Manly October 12, 2018 4:40 PM  

@49

"IMO they are the perpetrators of a fraud"

Bingo.

They took in money on the basis of false statements (i.e. that they accepted Vox's project).

Returning the contributor's money is just fig-leafing.

Blogger eclecticme October 12, 2018 5:05 PM  

"75. electricsheeple October 11, 2018 8:00 PM
I like the idea of crowdfunding a lawsuit. Remember, Peter Thiel funded Hulk Hogan for a lawsuit against Gawker. Peter Thiel got a cut of the damages for doing so. Is there website that allows to crowdfund lawsuits?"

Try indiegogo?

Blogger Dirk Manly October 12, 2018 5:30 PM  

"Right now, these maniac leftists see the mid term elections as some sort of decisive battle and are going full crazy on all levels."

For them, it quite possibly is.
They've lost the Supreme Court termporarily. If they don't capture both the Houses of Representatives and 2/3 of the Senate, there goes ALL of their "impeachment hurrr durrr!" plans. If they don't capture the Senate (not likely), they will be reduced to 1/3 minority on the Supreme Court (snoozin' Ginsberg will croak before Trump does... even without a pillow over her head).

For them, this is literally a fight for survival. They're backed into a corner, and literally see no way out.

November could get very violent. That's why Trump started planning this Veteran's Day (11/11) parade over a year ago -- to have a reason for large numbers of troops to be in Washington DC, and VISIBLE.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 12, 2018 5:38 PM  

@133

"My only regret is that it's lawfare. This is the least fun style of war that you were likely to have to participate in due to Alt Hero Q."

As the left starts losing consistently on the lawfare front, expect it to shift to physical violence. From there, it proceeds quickly to destruction of big-city infrastructure, and cutting off of food, and water-supplies that come from out of rural water reservoirs (New York City and Los Angeles are both COMPLETELY exposed and vulnerable in this respect).

Blogger Dirk Manly October 12, 2018 5:51 PM  

@148

"I've no problem with doubling my original pledge. Either for a lawsuit or an alternative platform. These people are insane."

Worse. They are demonically evil.
And I'm not kidding.

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