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Saturday, October 06, 2018

Wormtongue confirmed

Jordan Peterson is behaving the way all con men behave when they've gotten ahead of the con. Now he's walking it back. And Scott Adams is helping him try to sell it and salvage his credibility:
Jordan B Peterson@jordanbpeterson
If confirmed Kavanaugh should step down.

Jordan B Peterson@jordanbpeterson
I'm not certain that is the right move. It's very complex. But he would have his name cleared, and a figure who might be less divisive might be put forward.

Jordan B Peterson@jordanbpeterson
That might decrease residual alienation from the left, and make things less polarized moving forward. Of course, that has to be balanced against handing any victory to the "believe all accusers" crowd.

Jordan B Peterson@jordanbpeterson
I was thinking all this whole trying to plot out a strategy that would be least damaging, on the whole. And I'm not jumping up and down claiming to be correct. Thought is experiment, not reality.

Scott Adams
Clarification accepted.
If you STILL buy into Jordan Peterson's bullshit after this pathetic "never mind, I'll just walk it back" display, you will fully deserve the disenchantment that will be your fate.

Let me be clear: Jordan Peterson is absolutely and utterly full of shit... and he always has been.

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90 Comments:

Blogger Miguel October 06, 2018 7:06 PM  

The depth people will sink to protect their image.

Blogger Tank October 06, 2018 7:06 PM  

Sad really.

Blogger Xiety October 06, 2018 7:12 PM  

"Thought is experiment, not reality."
Oof.

"Clarification accepted."
Idiot.

Blogger Rabbi B October 06, 2018 7:14 PM  

For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Cf. II Timothy 3:6-7

Blogger David The Good October 06, 2018 7:14 PM  

So glad Scott accepted that clarification. Believe all psychos!

Blogger The Rev October 06, 2018 7:15 PM  

Scott Adams should have better bs detectors than this. Hopefully he keeps that mental red flag up.

Blogger Matt Sellitto October 06, 2018 7:16 PM  

He's back on his pills, he's stabilizing...for now.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey October 06, 2018 7:16 PM  

Jordan Peterson is a sad figure. He's in way over his head. He knows it, that's why apple cider crucifies him. He is very much a lunatic, but also one very afraid because he knows he is a lunatic. He knows he's a false prophet.

But the gig is so good!

Blogger Seth Schueler October 06, 2018 7:16 PM  

Scott Adams called Susan Collins speech the best speech he has ever seen. Many high school students are better public speakers than her. Her delivery was awful and the content was meh.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 06, 2018 7:16 PM  

What sort of normal, non-leftist gives a flying rat's rear end about "alienation" of the left? After all the alienating they've done to everyone else, that's something ONLY a leftist would worry about.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 06, 2018 7:18 PM  

The reason Scott Adams "accepts" CrazyChrist's "clarification" is that he's a moderate leftist himself.

Blogger Nathan Bruno October 06, 2018 7:20 PM  

Peterson's obvious mistake was writing the thought down; everyone who has tasted the Crazy Christ Flavor-Ade knows that ideas can only be expressed in a 3-12 hour free-wheeling, rambling lecture.

Do we know Peterson even wrote the first tweet? There's no digression in the middle of it.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey October 06, 2018 7:28 PM  

The really funny thing is that Jordan Peterson, who is a mad professor of a non-discipline, has actually came up against Sam Harris, philosopher. And Jordan actually held his own over the span of the engagements, astonishingly. In fact I'd say Jordan got the best of Sam on the whole.

The real problem is that Sam lies, shamelessly. Jordan even if by accident managed to slip in there and cause problems where he absolutely should not ever have been allowed, if Sam Harris was competent.

But he did. That's one positive service Jordan Peterson performed, even if by accident. He showed that even a crazed confidence man can be better than Sam Harris.

Blogger Daniel Babylon October 06, 2018 7:28 PM  

"And I'm not jumping up and down claiming to be correct"

People see you as an authority figure. Why would you post something you don't think is correct?

Blogger Ceerilan October 06, 2018 7:29 PM  

Resigning would not magically clear Kavanaugh's name. It would only serve to give further credence to the democratmedia narrative. Further, once he DOES resign, he would have nothing to leverage against the Dems helping to clear his name. Time and again, leftists have shown that they have will not allow their opponents to back down with honor.

Guilty or not, Kavanaugh had no recourse but to fight the moment the accusations started coming out.

Blogger Twisted Root October 06, 2018 7:29 PM  

It is very simple; is he, are you, working to increase the pain leftists are feeling right now or are you looking to heal division?

Blogger Ceerilan October 06, 2018 7:32 PM  

By the way, this is not the first time Jordan Peterson has walked back a public statement. He was super critical of MGTOW's until he wasn't. At the time, he gave a plausible sounding explanation about assuming he knew more about the movement than he did.

Blogger Ransom Smith October 06, 2018 7:36 PM  

Sometimes when Peterson speaks, I imagine he's wearing a fedora.

Blogger Ceerilan October 06, 2018 7:36 PM  

@Twisted Root

The only way to heal division in this country is by increasing the pain leftists feel. Conservatism had literally been fighting a slow retreat for decades in the name of healing division. They faced nothing but a brazen advance to relentlessly destroy their culture.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 06, 2018 7:36 PM  

IT'S A TRILBY

Blogger Wayne October 06, 2018 7:38 PM  

JP had to walk back the criticism of MGTOW after Karen Straughn ripped him to shreds over his uninformed comments on the subject.

Blogger The Kurgan October 06, 2018 7:41 PM  

What we can now confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt:
Jordan Peterson reads VP and probably refreshes the page every 15 minutes.

Blogger GammaCatch October 06, 2018 7:43 PM  

JBP is officially in the Glenn Beck pile.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums October 06, 2018 7:44 PM  

Scott Adams is the Edward Bernays of our time but noticeably less effective. Like Bernays, he is also very honest about his deceptions. I like this about him.

Blogger Ransom Smith October 06, 2018 7:45 PM  

Jordan Peterson reads VP and probably refreshes the page every 15 minutes.
The leaf cries out as he strokes you.

Blogger Retrenched October 06, 2018 7:47 PM  

"If you step down from a position because you're accused of running a gang rape ring, your name is cleared, somehow" -- totally sane and intelligent person

Blogger Ransom Smith October 06, 2018 7:58 PM  

That should be strikes.
I was not intending to make a gay joke .

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 06, 2018 8:02 PM  

I'm glad my thought experiments don't magically appear on Twitter without my decision to publish them. That would be embarassing.

Blogger RandyJJ October 06, 2018 8:07 PM  

Resigning would not magically clear Kavanaugh's name.
The idea is that Kavanaugh would first be confirmed; this shows the Senate doesn't believe the accusations and clears his name. He then voluntarily steps down. This allows us to put in someone less divisive which will engender a more harmonious spirit of cooperation.

The problem is that this assumes that the left and right in America are capable of working together. We tried that for decades and it didn't work.

Blogger Uncle Max October 06, 2018 8:17 PM  

I think it's typical of these "thinkers" who live surrounded by liberals, and opine wisdom and perspective and ride the red-pill express, all the while assuring their audience they aren't Trump voters, or fans.. no no no. They can recognized evil, but not the actual left... and not that they've always been this way.. the left has been energized to drop their masks, that's all.

It is revealing. Peterson is red-pilling a lot of youngsters, so that's worth something... he's a bridge to something, but really, he's a liberal college professor who caught fire when his students went nuts on him and he refused to obey the new rules. Had that not happened to him, he wouldn't have EVER started doing lectures.. or his books .. or speaking about the left's overreach... any of it. Same with Adams, who tries to play the wise guy without picking sides. He always couches any praise of Trump with a qualifier so everyone knows hes in no way a supporter or even red-pilled himself. I watch Adams usually once a week, but he's a odd duck for sure.

Blogger Argus Bacchus October 06, 2018 8:17 PM  

Middle school is proving to be difficult for Jordan Peterson.

Blogger DouglasEdward October 06, 2018 8:22 PM  

Now Gad Saad(who is on the margins of the IDW, but is likely too right wing for their liking) is taking JBP to task.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q4iSNcMBZg

Blogger Longtime Lurker October 06, 2018 8:22 PM  

Clueless Canadian steps on cultural American rake and writes it off as a thought expirement. As unforced errors go, that was priceless.

Blogger Xiety October 06, 2018 8:23 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:That should be strikes.
I was not intending to make a gay joke .


I thought maybe it was an experiment.

Blogger Bultz October 06, 2018 8:25 PM  

So this is what happens when the intellectual dark web make an argument for something

Blogger Solaire Of Astora October 06, 2018 8:29 PM  

Scott Adams has a 48 hour rule where he accepts 'clarifications' because of how easy it is to miscommunicate. Scott has some decent insights but he's also incredibly naive.

@32

Gad has mocked Jungianism a lot lately and is friends with Taleb. He's never insulted Peterson but it doesn't look like he holds him in high esteem. He might not want to totally isolate himself though since he's another embattled Canadian professor.

Blogger Weouro October 06, 2018 8:31 PM  

So is Scott Adams and Cernovich. They're all craven cynics who think truth doesn't exist. This exacyly what they all believe about evetything: "I'm not jumping up and down claiming to be correct. Thought is experiment, not reality."

Blogger OneWingedShark October 06, 2018 8:34 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:Jordan Peterson reads VP and probably refreshes the page every 15 minutes.

The leaf cries out as he strokes you.
Ransom Smith wrote:That should be strikes.

I was not intending to make a gay joke .

And yet, it's much funnier that way.

Bultz wrote:So this is what happens when the intellectual dark web make an argument for something
Intellectual Dark Web... such a crappy "look, we're edgy too!"-name, but at least it sounds every bit the poser as the collection is.

Blogger dvdivx October 06, 2018 8:34 PM  

I think the people running the daily stormer are the same snake tongues but far better hidden. It only showed up when talking about Christianity or abortion. It's like Christianity shines a light on those who wish to hide in the dark.

Blogger Didas Kalos October 06, 2018 8:37 PM  

I don't think Scott Adams is naive. I think he does not have a settled moral foundation As in no firm belief in The absolutely moral God of the Bible.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len October 06, 2018 8:41 PM  

I suppose in the narrowest sense, "barking a lot then rolling over like a bitch in heat" could be called a 'strategy'.

Blogger DouglasEdward October 06, 2018 8:46 PM  

@ 36.

I agree with that, I think Saad was initially taken in by a fellow "embattled" professor but is now seeing the crazier parts of the JBP saga. In fact he seems downright pissed off that Peterson is introducing people to Jungian silliness.

He's also probably walking a fine line of not offending those mutual fans that might have, the Peterson cultists can be an irritant at their mildest and he might not want to wade into that swamp.

Blogger Durandel October 06, 2018 8:47 PM  

Maybe Jordan Peterson hypnotized Scott Adams to believe his bs. Lord knows many believe Scott Adams’ bs.

That said, con men usually can detect other cons. Guess Scott forgot to drink his coffee.

Blogger Marcus Marcellus October 06, 2018 8:51 PM  

As long as you don't do the sip of coffee routine at the start of your videos, I will continue patronizing Castella and Alt Hero. Any communal coffee moment and I'm out. gawd! ;)

Blogger James Dixon October 06, 2018 9:10 PM  

> It is very simple; is he, are you, working to increase the pain leftists are feeling right now or are you looking to heal division?

The division is that they want me and mine dead. That's not a division I'm interested in "healing".

Blogger John October 06, 2018 9:13 PM  

"Look at everything Peterson does and do the exact opposite" is pretty good advice.

Blogger OGRE October 06, 2018 9:18 PM  

dvdivx wrote:It's like Christianity shines a light on those who wish to hide in the dark.

This, exactly true.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman October 06, 2018 10:01 PM  

Peterson reminds me of one of those guys we all know who talks too much. You just want to turn to him and say "STFU...didn't your parents ever tell you that silence is golden?"

Blogger idprism October 06, 2018 10:01 PM  

I may have missed the correction accepted, but it looked to me like Scott either walked it back or wasn't ready to accept jp's premise. I don't know what Scott's goals are but I didn't think he was on board even if he was willing to accept the withdraws on good faith.
@ScottAdamsSays
This feels like a terrible idea to me, but because smart people are saying it, I’m open to hearing the argument.
@ScottAdamsSays
Quitting would clear his name? I'm not connecting any of these dots. https://t.co/BDhsRxLAlT
@ScottAdamsSays
One of those situations is nice to have and the other one is necessary. I don’t imagine the Founders would be on the fence with this one. https://t.co/8hQU8EV3fD
@jordanbpeterson
That might decrease residual alienation from the left, and make things less polarized moving forward. Of course, that has to be balanced against handing any victory to the "believe all accusers" crowd. https://t.co/xcVBcoaWWv

Blogger Edgar Abbey October 06, 2018 10:43 PM  

Jack Posobiec was the first tweeter I saw begin to amplify the Peterson comment on Kavanaugh. Props to Jack for hammering home the point. Meanwhile Scott Adams responds with this dumb tweet...

Jordan Peterson: "If confirmed Kavanaugh should step down."

Scott Adams: "This feels like a terrible idea to me, but because smart people are saying it, I’m open to hearing the argument."

Smart people? Scott Adams has not been following the expose of Peterson here.

Blogger Up from the pond October 06, 2018 11:26 PM  

"We're smart people" is an assertion that invites scrutiny. It often invites suspicion, too.

Weinstein was saying "honest" "smart" people share Jordan Peterson's position re. Kavanaugh for "deep reasons," which neither man would deign to tell us (except for saying it would "heal divisions," a plain falsehood). So if we don't agree with them, we're neither honest nor smart - such was the suggestion.

Ayn Rand (a loon, but right about this) called this suggestion "The Argument from Intimidation." It takes this form: "The GOOD people think x. Surely you don't disagree with the GOOD people, do you?" "The smart, honest, caring people have deep, caring reasons for their opinion on this matter. Who are you to ask what those reasons are so that you can evaluate them? You might be one of the dumb, dishonest people. One of the BAD people."

Or as one Jordamaniac stated: "The doubters are too unintelligent to understand Jordan's intellectual context."

Total, utter con men. Too bad Adams is succumbing to their Argument from Intimidation/Authority; but then he rejects the idea that there is an objective not-constructed-by-humans reality, just as Peterson does. We may yet discover that they deserve each other.

Blogger Unknown October 06, 2018 11:52 PM  

Jordan Peterson is a "meta-shill". Not only does he function to deflect young men away from nationalism, but he also functions to deflect attention away from the real cause of autoimmune disorders, which is vaccination.

On his last appearance on the Joe Rogan show he demonstrated his insanity with the now-infamous "apple cider" story. However, what has been largely ignored about this podcast is that earlier in the show, he very briefly lauded mass vaccination as a necessary hallmark of a modern civilization.

Vaccination is the primary cause of autoimmune disorders. Even the Mayo Clinic website states that doctors "don't know what causes autoimmune disorders, but there may be genetic or environmental factors". I work in neuroimmunology research at the top biomedical facility in the country, and there is ZERO interest among medical doctors to discover the cause for these disorders. All the resources instead go into developing high-resolution and high-throughput technologies to detect autoantiboddies and form diagnosis. Autoimmune disorders are a moneymaking machine for the medical cartel, and nobody wants to address the root cause, which is vaccines. Even Merck acknowledges in a study THEY FUNDED that the Gardisil HPV vaccine causes Hashimoto's thyroid autoimmunity in girls.

Why is all this relevant to JBP? Anyone with the ability to read scientific literature can discover the truth for about the cause of autoimmunity. Like the Jewish IQ question, he is deliberately ignoring the widely available data linking autoimmune diseases of EVERY variety to vaccination. If you're interested in looking more into this, search keyword "molecular mimicry".

When JBP's daughter appeared on the Joe Rogan show, she briefly mentioned two things that gave away the family's vaccine shillery. Firstly, although she spent the entire podcast talking about her autoimmune disease, when Rogan asked what caused her disease all she said was, "We don't know. We have no idea."

Secondly, and this is where alarm bells really started going off, was when she mentioned that she was the FIRST CHILD IN CANADA to receive an experimental rheumatoid arthritis treatment known as Enbrel, a TNF suppressant.

Think about this: Jordan Peterson is trying to normalize autoimmune diseases and transmute them into yet another burden we must endure in the life that is suffering. "Take your pills" also means "Take your vaccines", and more importantly, "Let the doctor give your children vaccines"

America can never be invaded by a foreign army, so we must consent to our own invasion, and consent to our own assault. Vaccines ARE the weapon the enemy is killing Americans with. Vaccines ARE the clear and present danger. Those of us who don't get autism or another autoimmune disease are gradually weakened down by vaccination, and JBP is playing his role in that assault. I'm shocked nobody else has made this connection yet.

Blogger FP October 07, 2018 12:11 AM  

Heh, just read a comment on that gad saad yt video, "are we sure JP's twitter wasn't hacked!?"

The twitterpated fans have to find any explanation for Dr. Headshrinker Cuckanuk's twitter thought experiments of the moment. Must've been an overdose of apple cider.

Blogger Ceerilan October 07, 2018 12:30 AM  

@29

I can't imagine why someone who is paying attention and does NOT already have an opinion would be swayed by a partisan vote for a candidate. As for the new permanent rebellion, its Facebook supporters have reliably informed me that Senate members representing less than half the population of the United States have voted to give consent on a candidate less than half of Americans support.

To translate this into realspeak, leftists won't back down because of committee decisions. A Kavanaugh resignation at this point would only serve to undermine our winning.

Blogger Jail Cussox October 07, 2018 12:38 AM  

Crazy Christ "it's just a social experiment, bro" cowardice.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim October 07, 2018 12:39 AM  

The righteous do not negotiate with the wicked. Their deceit must be burned away, and it will not feel pleasant to them. The best we can pray for is they survive it without destroying themselves and emerge from the refining as Christians. If not, they will be destroyed.

Blogger Jack Amok October 07, 2018 12:45 AM  

Jordeo-Christ's comment that Kavanaugh should step down after being confirmed means one of two things is true. Either Jordie is working for the other side, or he's so effing stupid we'd be better off if he was working for the other side.

Blogger idprism October 07, 2018 1:32 AM  

No you're probably right that Adams hasn't been following here but there is no doubt that jp is an intelligent liar/faker.

Scott sees the intelligence but not the facade probably because Scott doesn't subscribe to the objective Truth and hasn't read the jp book(s) or followed the blog here.

I think he's on the verge of seeing through the act but I think he isn't as invested in truth as some of us are and he's not yet willing to accept the truths that we are. I don't understand the Adams game: self enrichment, human progress, preservation of America and his lifestyle...whatever the case ,if his goals are at odds with jp I see him attempting to gain an upper hand.

Blogger tublecane October 07, 2018 1:54 AM  

"Clarification accepted."

What is the opposite of clarification? Obfuscating? That's what Peterson did.

"Obfuscation accepted."

Blogger tublecane October 07, 2018 1:59 AM  

"make things less polarizing moving forward"

Why? I can see having less polarization as a final goal. Fine with me if e everyone becomes a squishy centrist, so long as my side is the Who instead of the Whom.

For that to happen, we're definitely going to have to get more polarized. What's wrong with that? Wait...I forgot, anything that disrupts the current ruling order will lead to nuclear annihilation according to Dr. Jellybutter Peanut.

Blogger tublecane October 07, 2018 2:14 AM  

@14- He thinks he's correct. It's just that he's not jumping up and down, you see. That way, when pretty much everyone decides he was wrong he can say, "Aha! But I didn't really hold that opinion. Because there was no jumping, see? Kindly point to where I jumped and I'll admit my error. (On condition I don't have to jump up and down in defense of that claim either.)"

Blogger tublecane October 07, 2018 2:37 AM  

@50- "Smart people"

Peterson is smart. Allow him that.

He's also dishonest, careless, mal- or undereducated, and crazy.

Blogger S. Thermite October 07, 2018 2:55 AM  

@ Deplorable Pudunk

Yet Peterson had Sam Harris open for him at some of his Canadian stops during his sold-out 12 Rules tour this year. If the two disagreed that much, why would they work together?

Blogger Dire Badger October 07, 2018 2:59 AM  

Jordan Peterson is a University Appendage.

Universities have always been a very interesting phenomenon. They have always been like a relief valve for dispossessed Youth.

But, like a relief valve, they get gummed up with crap. Every once in a while you have to go in and replace the thing, or it ceases to work correctly and wrecks the system.

That means Purging the universities, razing them to the ground and eliminating all the attendees and professors, and then replacing them with New universities... something the Romans understood all too well.

It is way past time to purge the valves in this country and rebuild them.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus October 07, 2018 3:37 AM  

One might wish to believe Scott Adams 'accepted clarification' to set the stage for exploiting JBP in the future. Problem being, today is the perfect opportunity to end JBP and his suasion among normies and others. And so there is that.

Blogger Gregory the Great October 07, 2018 3:43 AM  

Jordan Peterson: Sometimes, actually fairly often, if not most of the time, I really do not know what I am talking about.
Scott Adams: Clarification accepted.

Blogger Cluttermonkey October 07, 2018 4:35 AM  

Haha Scott Adams what a Boomer.

You can lead a Boomer to where the truth staring it in it‘s eyes, but he still won‘t look because it ain‘t coming from his ge-ge-generation, maaan. Won‘t God relieve us of this Boomer scourge?

Blogger John M October 07, 2018 6:39 AM  

Want to "decrease residual alienation from the left, and make things less polarized moving forward"? Easy, get Dianne Feinstein to resign for organizing the most disgraceful and sloppy political hit job ever.

Blogger MJ Meyers October 07, 2018 6:40 AM  

You guys may get a laugh out of this 3 min video by Owen Benjamin mocking Jordan Peterson, just released. I might say it's more effective than even the Voxiversity vid... but that'd depend on your definition of truth. ;)

https://youtu.be/vYgwV8wGi3Q

Blogger SciVo October 07, 2018 6:55 AM  

It's very complex.

Losers lose and winners win. If you advocate losing, then you're a loser and/or supporting the other side.

Switching gears to another regular topic, in Italy's populist coalition, the rightest League is going up and the leftist Five Star Movement is going down. That is to be expected in the short and medium term, since nationalist sentiment is generally incompatible with taking your money and giving it to people that don't look like they could be family; if Italy takes control of its demography, then no doubt their tendency toward leftism will reassert itself.

That is speaking mostly of southern Italy. I do not pretend to understand the nuances of all the kinds of Italians there are, but a crude heuristic is to picture it as a genetic and cultural tension between the Alps and the Mediterranean, between the cold mountains and carefree tropics. (For Sicily, the tension is between Europe and Africa.)

Blogger Shimshon October 07, 2018 7:17 AM  

As the saying goes, you can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think.

Blogger Duke Norfolk October 07, 2018 7:20 AM  

Marcus Marcellus wrote:As long as you don't do the sip of coffee routine at the start of your videos

Yes, that's just one of the reasons I can't watch Adams. I can't stomach his voice nor his centrist tripe.

Blogger Avalanche October 07, 2018 7:22 AM  

@44 "Any communal coffee moment and I'm out"

Are you kidding?! That "simultaneous sip" thing is some of the most brilliant marketing I've ever seen! Talk about a 'pledge of allegiance' and keeping his "followers" following closely!

His voice is coaxing and soothing and reinforcing and enticing and creating brotherhood and leading them in a *religious ritual* before his every sermon! He does the introit in a soft welcoming voice; he makes it seem like if only you'll take a bite of this delicious 'apple,' why "ye shall be as GODS!"

And his flock follows! His flock falls into a mesmerized blank state, ready to accept the word of Adams!! (And don't for get the donation plate goin' 'round!


I've had to stop listening to even his short excerpts: his left-leaning / just plain-left -- often deeply uneducated -- baffledgarble about whatever-topic became infuriating! He IS a lot like JBP: the Snake enticing the people away from reality into his "if only the Right will play nice, then the Left will stop being pathological and destructive"! Having established what seems/seemed to be some validity in his 'persuasion' stuff, he's a huckster for the left in barely covering guise!

Blogger Duke Norfolk October 07, 2018 7:30 AM  

Avalanche wrote:I've had to stop listening to even his short excerpts: his left-leaning / just plain-left -- often deeply uneducated -- baffledgarble about whatever-topic became infuriating!

Amen.

Blogger Avalanche October 07, 2018 7:44 AM  

@49 https://t.co/BDhsRxLAlT

Like Thorin's comment on that Twit stream:

Let's apply that logic to speakers worldwide. Anyone "divisive" gets passed over to appease hysterical activist liars. You in, professor?

Blogger Avalanche October 07, 2018 7:53 AM  

@54 "reliably informed me that Senate members representing less than half the population of the United States have voted to give consent on a candidate less than half of Americans support."

I answer this silliness with the two really stunning graphics: 'Trumpland' and the 'Clinton Archipelago.' IF the Right is so tiny a proportion of the country... those two results cannot be explained...

https://www.inverse.com/article/25635-map-remakes-us-trumpland-clinton-archipelago

Blogger Avalanche October 07, 2018 7:57 AM  

@64 "the universities, razing them to the ground"

Oh dear; some of the architecture -- the OLD architecture -- is amazing and beautiful and a symbol of the ascendance of our nation. Can't we just neutron bomb, clean, disinfect, and then repurpose?!

Blogger Dire Badger October 07, 2018 9:49 AM  

Avalanche wrote:@64 "the universities, razing them to the ground"

Oh dear; some of the architecture -- the OLD architecture -- is amazing and beautiful and a symbol of the ascendance of our nation. Can't we just neutron bomb, clean, disinfect, and then repurpose?!


If it's possible, sure... but then EVERYONE there would have to be purged, no mercy for the janitors and campus security, for instance.

Cassandra must be reigned in.

Blogger Zundfolge October 07, 2018 1:04 PM  

So Vox, what wine do you pair with a plate of total vindication? :)

Blogger VD October 07, 2018 1:20 PM  

Celeste, but then, I pair it with everything.

Blogger RobertT October 07, 2018 2:09 PM  

Apparently, so is Adams. He always had that smell.

Blogger Unknown October 07, 2018 4:16 PM  

Why was Vox's last darkstream on this subject taken down?

Blogger DonReynolds October 07, 2018 4:22 PM  

My head is spinning. I am unaware of ANY man accused by the MeeToo movement of sexual offenses that has had his name cleared by resigning from public office. NONE whatsoever! I have ONLY seen very thin and unsubstantiated charges levied against men SUSTAINED by their resignation from public office. Not even in a single case, has their resignation rehabilitated their public reputation. That much must be considered a fact thus far. Were any of the accusations credible, any doubt would be removed by resigning. In each case, I am aware of, the accusations were either politically motivated or there was an ulterior motive of publicity seeking or simply to shake the money tree for cold hard cash.

The money motive seems to be the strongest in each of these cases or simple retaliation against those who refused to pay hush money.

Here is a better test of guilt.....tell the women to walk away from the money, no matter if it was hush money, or crowd funding, or plucked from the party coffers, or compensation paid from the US Treasury for those who accused members of Congress. Drop the filthy money on the ground and prove there is no money motivation. Donate it to a charity that you do not actually like or approve of. That would improve the credibility of the accusers. Merely having a vagina is not enough proof.

Blogger CYGNUS FACETIOUS October 07, 2018 5:56 PM  

Odds that Ford or Swetnik resembles Peterson's hot cannibal bait cousin: high covfefe. He's been having nightmares of being wincestually cucked by gangs of black robed, white wigged Hibernian SCOTUS clones whilst untidying his room with bodily fluids.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 07, 2018 6:55 PM  

@51

"Total, utter con men. Too bad Adams is succumbing to their Argument from Intimidation/Authority; but then he rejects the idea that there is an objective not-constructed-by-humans reality, just as Peterson does. We may yet discover that they deserve each other."

Scott Adams is just someone who sees (and attracts stories from others who also see) the absurdities of managers who are in over their heads, and idiotic corporate policies which go against the whole purpose of said corporation.

He's never been a deep thinker. And frankly, I think he has too much money at this point to even begin to start becoming one.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia October 07, 2018 8:01 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:@51

He's never been a deep thinker. And frankly, I think he has too much money at this point to even begin to start becoming one.


Has he ever claimed to be one? I don't think he has, but, hey, it's just a thought experiment.

Unlike, say, Vox, whose stilleto like intellect can eviscerate without mercy, most of us sit on very specific continuum of Englightend to Useful to Useless to Harmful to Destructive.

I once believed JP was useful, especially after the Cathy Newman tete a tete, but Vox has disabused me of that notion and he's moved down the continuum somwhere close to destructive.

I think Adams is overall pretty useful, even though he is a Northern California lefy by temperarment. And you have to admire a guy who extricated himself from a corporate cubicle is now worth 9 figures or thereabouts.

While his approach to Trump ignores or gives short shrift to the substantive policy directions -- nationalisn, fair trade, de-regulation, the wall, constitutional jurisprudence -- his analysis of Trump's persuasive rhetorical style, use of humor, and negotiating methods is pretty useful.

And I don't think he believes there is no objective truth, it's just that most folks can't get there because they have a "movie" in their head. It's a mundane observation, but true.

I used to check out his periscopes from time to time, but I just don't have the time or patience. He's better when he's being interviewed, franly (and I would say the same for Vox, the Darkstreams are excruciating, I just read the excerpts published here).

However, I do recommend two of them -- the one on the 6 categories of humor and his devastating takedown of a Sam Harris podcast that focuses on Adams.

Blogger CarpeOro October 08, 2018 8:55 AM  

"I was thinking all this whole trying to plot out a strategy that would be least damaging, on the whole."

Clarification indeed. Taken together as a whole the stream of twits he posted make very clear that he just wants everyone to get along... and only means to look the best he can for everyone. The con begins and ends with "how can I look the best I can so I can get the most I can for as long as I can. I I I I I ....

Blogger Up from the pond October 08, 2018 9:13 PM  

CarpeOro wrote:he just wants everyone to get along
Like Solomon, who almost cut a baby in half to please warring parties in a custody battle. 1 Kings 3:16-28

Except Jordeo-Peterson meant it.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 09, 2018 1:06 PM  

@88

"Like Solomon, who almost cut a baby in half to please warring parties in a custody battle. 1 Kings 3:16-28"


He did no such thing. Solomon, like any intelligent man, realized that such a verdict would reveal the real truth of who was the child's actual mother:

A kidnapper will not care about cutting the child in half -- she can just try to steal another.

A real mother will be horrified by cutting the child in half.

The reactions to the two women's to the court ruling gets to the truth of the matter instantly -- whereupon the true verdict could be rendered as to who the child should be raised by: The woman who will give up the child, even to a kidnapper, rather than see it killed.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 09, 2018 1:09 PM  

JBP is no Solomon.

That's why Solomon had access to the richest gold mine on earth (which disappeared upon his death), and JBP is sputtering about how a single cup of apple cider incapacitated him for a month.

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