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Sunday, October 28, 2018

Over the target, it seems

Milo - MILO, of all people - is receiving pushback from the followers of St. Jordan the Never-Sleeping because he wrote the Foreword to Jordanetics: A Journey Into the Mind of Humanity's Greatest Thinker:
Gage Martinez
It seems like milo just doesn't like that jordan took his place when milo stopped doing well reasoned debates and started focusing instead on being "outrageous".

Jason Murray
i have followed you for about 2 years now. I have loved watching you tell people to screw off and being yourself. Today i will be unfollowing you. I may check on you from time to time. Reason. From the description of this book, it nothing but a hit piece on a good and honest, and yes imperfect man. I will read your forward and possibly this book. Though i doubt I'll get to the book.

Craig Mac Corkle
You usually do have an interesting point of view, and I'm not sure that I'm understanding this one. But I'll take a look at it. It's just doesn't make any sense to me but best of luck with it. Dont know Vox. But i like JBP, and the IDW. These people have amazing credentials, but aren't infallible, or afraid of criticism. I don't know, seems like a strange move.

William Cuddling
No one's dismissing you out of hand. Fact is, judging from the statements you've made publicly about Peterson, your point of view just isn't that interesting, so why would anyone wanna buy a book, the synopsis of which reads like an introduction to just another in a lone line of bullshit hit-pieces, just so we have the honor of reading your foreword? Personally couldn't care less if you go after Peterson. Just sick of your whining.

Matt Malone
Theres plenty to criticize about Peterson, but Milo just seems peeved when anyone get more attention than him. Ben Shapiro has also leapfrogged Milo and rightfully so, much more thoughtful commentator... The right criticizes the left for their purity spirals where they will turn on anyone who deviates from their orthodoxy, but Milo is pretty similar. The left seems self righteous when they do it but Milo just seems petty. Overall he is deleterious to any positions he holds, and its no wonder noone wants to associate with him.

Jason Murray Alaina Toledo
I see a man that isnt afraid to admit that he doesn't know all the answers and will concede that he is wrong when faced with evidence of such. There is nothing wrong with JBP and he doesn't deserve to be attacked as a lair or hypocrite, when all that he is doing is trying to do is help us all to see that the world has rules, and that we should try to live by them, for the well being of the individual and though the individual, society as a whole. You should really listen to everything he has to say before drawing conclusions.

John Tangney
Vox day has always seemed like a total Muppet to me, and his criticisms of Peterson based in jealousy rather than anything substantive.

Justin Grajek
Jealous of his popularity Milo? His views are nuanced and thoughtful instead of emotion driven. I don’t think you can say the same.

Nalinne Jones
Lame. Unfollowing.

Halldór Magnússon
Milo, you are putting it up like one has to choose between you and Peterson. I am sorry but it's an unfair competition, you lose big time which is so not necessary, you can be on the same team. If you want fewer followers then continue on this road.

Sean Grabill
So, you get neutered and you have to neuter someone else to get your revenge? You used to have important things to say and then you started crawling into the gutter with the left. It seems like you lost yourself down there and the limelight became more important than the things that used to matter. It wasn't so long ago you were the one we were all supposed to hate, but you've forgotten all too soon what that was like, or maybe that's what made you so bitter. If this is the end of your movie, cry into a $100 bill, and ride off into the sunset, have some grace. You were better than associating yourself with this garbage. Is that still in you or have they just taken the piss right out of you?
It's funny, but all these comments sound almost identical to the comments left in response to one of my Jordanetics videos on the Darkstream. It's really remarkable how so many people are so bitter, jealous, and envious that they are inspired to criticize St. Jordan of the Cider.

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Blogger Lance E October 28, 2018 7:49 PM  

Does anyone else find that the tone and diction of Peterson fan postings screams "omega"?

It's hard to explain, but it's lines like this one: it nothing but a hit piece on a good and honest, and yes imperfect man

Unlike the gamma postings that move most people to anger and disgust, these are almost pitiable for their miserably low energy and general dullness.

Blogger Joeplanet October 28, 2018 7:50 PM  

“Good and honest”


Bwahahahaha

Blogger Calvin October 28, 2018 7:50 PM  

On the subject of "alt right is inevitable", you may want to comment on the victory of Brazil's new president.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 28, 2018 7:52 PM  

Maybe it's just me, but Jason Murray Alaina Toledo sounds like a cult member. His comment reminded me of 'Simon Says' for some reason. Simon Says drink your cup of purple colored Kool-Aid in one full gulp....

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 28, 2018 7:54 PM  

Using "nuanced" unironically == Giant Faggot

Blogger Xayveir October 28, 2018 7:55 PM  

A lot of Soy in those comments. Tells you all you need to know.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey October 28, 2018 7:57 PM  

Why do they always leap to accuse people of jealousy when one of their totems is attacked? What is that? I don't understand the leap there but so many of them do it. And for Jordy of all people. That man is a mental patient. He's to be pitied if anything, fighting all those demons and nightmares. Cannibalizing his cousin for instance. Who would want to be those crazy shoes?

Blogger Wolfman at Large October 28, 2018 7:57 PM  

Are we sure these aren't bots?

Blogger A rebel without a General October 28, 2018 7:58 PM  

Milo should call them NPC's.

Blogger Rex Leroy King October 28, 2018 7:59 PM  

These are rich veins for mining (liar, shill, incompetent-manipulator) tells:

- It seems like
- Today i will be unfollowing you
- Fact is,
- Personally couldn't care less
- gets more attention than him
- its no wonder no one wants to associate with him
- I am sorry but
- If you want fewer followers
- You used to have important things to say
- You were better than

Blogger Gregory the Great October 28, 2018 8:04 PM  

could the big attraction in Peterson's weasel words be that he keeps saying that he is unsure if anything he ever said or wrote is necessarily correct or the truth, poor fallible man that he is, but this is not his fault because the world is just so confusing. So what can a poor boy do but clean his room and take his pills to shut out this big confusing and threatening world?

Blogger S. Thermite October 28, 2018 8:12 PM  

St. Jordan of the Cider

aka Jordy La Forgery. Who boldly thinks thoughts no man has thought before.

Blogger Gregory the Great October 28, 2018 8:16 PM  

Some drugs do this to you. Whilst under their influence you think you have come up ewith a unified field theory, but in the morning it is all forgotten.

Blogger MendoScot October 28, 2018 8:17 PM  

Cider.

Mmmmmmm.

Blogger wave spender October 28, 2018 8:33 PM  

Sounds like,
Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Can they even get on the same page.

Blogger Edgar Abbey October 28, 2018 8:34 PM  

As an old man, I don't follow Jordan Peterson, nor do I know much about him except what I've read here from Vox. A lot of these people are probably reacting the way they are for the simple reason that they have invested lots of time and money in his "words of wisdom," and they are dismayed to find someone else (Milo), who they also follow and whose opinion they respect, participating in a book that presumably exposes Peterson as a fraud. The reaction falls somewhere along the 7 stages of grief (maybe "anger").

Blogger M Cephas October 28, 2018 8:40 PM  

I read comments like that towards Milo, when he criticised Jordan to Stefan Molyneux.

I don't know how they still think Jordan is right-wing if they follow him so religiously. Even Steven Crowder came to the conclusion that JP was left-wing after interviewing him.

Blogger Lazarus October 28, 2018 8:43 PM  

Gregory the Great wrote:Some drugs do this to you. Whilst under their influence you think you have come up ewith a unified field theory, but in the morning it is all forgotten.

Not if you write it down.

Blogger Matt October 28, 2018 8:46 PM  

Petersons followers come across as Omegas because they are. Gammas are too delusional to imagine they need help.

Blogger Jack Ward October 28, 2018 8:58 PM  

Probably won't buy the Jordan book in pre-order; will definitely pick it up come the release. Not sure I've ever done a pre-order for anything. Just me. But, I sure am looking forward to Milo's foreword. And, book, of course. On release, a coordinated book surge? I would have said book b----, but that word is probably triggering all the three letter organization computers these days.

Blogger Gregory the Great October 28, 2018 8:58 PM  

And there came a time when the people had forgotten about the ten commandments and the people were thirsting for guidance. And along came a man named JP and gave them 12 rules to live by. And so great was the people's desire for guidance that many did not see that JP was a false prophet and that his teschings were wrong.

Blogger lowercaseb October 28, 2018 9:04 PM  

I wonder if Jordan will create his own Navy soon? It worked out for L. Ron...

Blogger Samuel Nock October 28, 2018 9:05 PM  

Serious lulz.

"These IDW people have serious credentials! And they don't back down from criticism!! How dare you!?"

"[Whine, whine, whine, whine, whine.] Oh, yeah, and Milo, would you please stop whining?"

Second edition should have a forward to the forward consisting of just comments about Milo.

Blogger Daniel Babylon October 28, 2018 9:12 PM  

Amazing how they're all using their followage as a bargaining chip. Like Milo cares if they're following him.

Additionally, Vox how do deal with all these tiresome falsehoods (like your being jealous of JP)? It has to be frustrating

Blogger GammaCatch October 28, 2018 9:23 PM  

Speaking of: I'm always expecting some sort of massive misstep in or the full militarization of Scientology. Those people are as evil and crazy as the Islamists. Thankfully JPB has not built the temple yet, so we have more time. At least we know their weakness: Tall Rightist effeminate gay men.

Blogger Gregory the Great October 28, 2018 9:29 PM  

Nor should the etthical value of the rule "clean your room" for a future ecologically sustainable world be underrated, a world ithout borders and boundaries where everything is shared,
the car, the bycicle, the kitchen, the toilet, the garden, everything. And the individual has only a 7x7 foot room that he or she has to keep clean...

Blogger David Sims October 28, 2018 9:35 PM  

@16 It's as much denial as it is anger

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 October 28, 2018 9:36 PM  

I still haven't watched the Jordanetics video, but that bit from his book about a dream involving his grandmother's pubic hair? That was fucking weird.

After his suggestion that Kavanaugh resign after being confirmed - and then his decided non-apology to people disappointed with his comments - I'm definitely well past the point of looking askance at Peterson.

Blogger InformationMerchant October 28, 2018 9:40 PM  

"Ben Shapiro has also leapfrogged Milo and rightfully so, much more thoughtful commentator..."

Those comments seem like someone posted Milo's post on R/JordanPeterson or whatever the subreddit is. I'm unsure how someone can follow both Milo and Shapiro unless they didn't follow either of them until recently and thus has no idea about any backstory.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 28, 2018 9:43 PM  

Lazarus wrote:Not if you write it down.
"...and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went and they went... "

Blogger Doug Cranmer October 28, 2018 10:03 PM  

Vox don't care.

Blogger Doug Cranmer October 28, 2018 10:05 PM  

www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson

I had to check. Good God.

Blogger VFM #7191 October 28, 2018 10:08 PM  

I really despise the defensive "you're just jealous!" crap. It's cheap, transparent rhetoric that usually says far more about the person making the charge than it does the person it's leveled against. These are people who can't admit to themselves that they might have made an error in judgment, and that maybe--just maybe--their idol isn't who he says he is.

See, in the minds of his fans, Jordan Peterson is great and his arguments oh so wise, so if you're saying he isn't great and his arguments aren't all that wise, well then, you must just be jealous of his greatness and wisdom, because there is no way that they are wrong about his greatness and wisdom! It's pure cognitive dissonance coping.

Sometimes they really are "just jealous." But if that's your knee-jerk response in defense of someone to whom you've emotionally hitched part of your identity, then you're probably full of shit and are just trying to protect your fragile ego. I mean, if I was a right-winger suckered into giving money and my emotional energy to a mentally ill, globalist scam artist, I probably wouldn't like having that pointed out to me either.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira October 28, 2018 10:13 PM  

Saint Jordan of the geriatric bush hair.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 28, 2018 10:19 PM  

@25

"I'm always expecting some sort of massive misstep in or the full militarization of Scientology. Those people are as evil and crazy as the Islamists."

There's a lot of money at stake, especially with all of those Hollywood income$ flowing in so they can all get clear of their own evil.

Blogger eclecticme October 28, 2018 10:20 PM  

OT.
The God Empreror casts a spell on the press.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/29/00/5513388-6327037-First_lady_Melania_Trump_has_a_laugh_as_President_Trump_waves_a_-a-115_1540771301313.jpg
"First lady Melania Trump has a laugh as President Trump waves a snake serpent in the direction of the press"

Blogger Archimedes2017 October 28, 2018 10:31 PM  

If Peterson ever gets banned from Twitter I may take an other look. Until then I only am interested in the fallen heroes Milo, Jones, Elfwick and Vox.

Blogger Silly but True October 28, 2018 10:36 PM  

“Smart money is on House remaining Republican: Vegas Oddsmakers”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/10/28/midterm-elections-betting-odds/1800052002/

Republicans might pick up 7 Senate seats.

Nate Silver lowers odds of bluewave House win to 84.9% down from 85%.

Blogger David The Good October 28, 2018 10:37 PM  

Daniel Babylon wrote:Amazing how they're all using their followage as a bargaining chip. Like Milo cares if they're following him.

Yeah, I once had an atheist telling me I was losing readers because I believe in a sky daddy and that otherwise I was good, but he wasn't going to buy my books anymore because I wouldn't back down on my faith.

"Oh shucks, yeah. You know what, I'll deny Christ and go to hell so I can make $5 on kdp."

No.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener October 28, 2018 10:50 PM  

By this time next year no one will be willing to admit that they ever took Jordy seriously.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora October 28, 2018 10:53 PM  

Milo and VD's critics are comic book level mind readers. Maybe they should be advisers for Alt Hero.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 28, 2018 10:57 PM  

OT: New Democratic Campaign "Ad"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjzeNBSZFUo

Blogger Dirk Manly October 28, 2018 10:59 PM  

@41
"Milo and VD's critics are comic book level mind readers. Maybe they should be advisers for Alt Hero."

That's way too controversial for these guys...

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 28, 2018 11:18 PM  

I was reading "Where the Wild Things Are" last night and couldn't help but make the comparison between the child protagonist and St. Jordan,The Secret King.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz October 29, 2018 1:35 AM  

"These people have amazing credentials"

Must be an atheist!

Blogger Arthur Isaac October 29, 2018 2:35 AM  

They read like a Faceberg mean-girls social ostricization pile on. Jordan fans look like peevish 13 year old girls with all of the attempted status signalling and shunning in the adolescent arsenal. Really substantial refutations there.

Blogger linesy October 29, 2018 2:58 AM  

"I liked it when you criticised people I already disagreed with, because then you validated my existing opinion, but now you have triggered cognitive dissonance in me and so despite not having read the book, or considered whether it has good points to make I must sperg out because of its connection the the evil dark lord". There used to be a show on BBC called points of view, where people would write in to praise/attack shows on BBC. The joke was that the negative ones always used to start 'dear BBC, why oh why oh why' and would finish 'Sincerely, Angry, Tunbridge Wells'. Looks like you've really gone too far this time oh Dark Lord and Angry from Tunbridge Wells is firing up the rage machine. Still three weeks to go too. I am looking forward to reading the wave of non verified purchase 1 star reviews. Odd really you'd think they would be busy cleaning their rooms. I thank JBP for one thing. I finally read the Gulag Archipelago because of him going on about it all the time. It's a slog alright, but only a Russian could make show trials and the gulag into black comedy. Milo is sharp as a tack, he knew he would cop this kind of flak and will likely be glad to be the naughty boy again, its when he is under heavy attack that his true talent stack shows itself, it will be interesting to see if the media puts aside its prior objection to JBP in order to prove that he is controlled opposition after all.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 29, 2018 3:16 AM  

Why do they always leap to accuse people of jealousy

SJWs. Always. Project.

In spite of their professions, of either disdain or admiration, the secret kings are always jealous of even the slightest fame, which still surpasses their own.

Blogger Sam Spade October 29, 2018 4:03 AM  

This made my day. Seen on Jordan Peterson's reddit:

Young JP photo

Blogger SirMaorio October 29, 2018 5:38 AM  

@49 that photo is too good to be true, has everything, secret king pose, the quote, snark dripping of it

Blogger Lovekraft October 29, 2018 5:56 AM  

found on reddit. Linking to a CBC comments section (CBC is Canada's taxpayer-funded propaganda arm of the globalist Liberal Party).

https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/episodes/shut-him-down-the-rise-of-jordan-peterson

Blogger Lovekraft October 29, 2018 6:03 AM  

Another good read from 'The American Thinker' on the mindset of the typical Sorosian (progressive). I like the line about Obama's presidency being an eight-year poetry recital.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/10/the_sad_sad_culture_of_progressivism.html

Blogger Miles Plastic October 29, 2018 6:43 AM  

Will there be a book version of this book?

Blogger BentheBrave October 29, 2018 7:12 AM  

Vox mentioned Milo may be publishing the forward to the Jordanetics book, has this occurred and if so anyone got a link?

Blogger Gregory the Great October 29, 2018 7:53 AM  

Just listened to your latest Darkstream. This comes to mind: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places."
I think we are slowly getting to the truth why Peterson's books are so popular: The first edition was sprinkled with a newborn baby's blood and the poison of a black widow spider killed at the crossroads at the time of the new moon - all this accompanied by prayers to the Father of the Lie. Peterson might still turn out to be the Supreme Witch of the Toronto Coven of the OTO. That would explain a lot, wouldn't it?

Blogger Avalanche October 29, 2018 8:36 AM  

@7 "Why do they always leap to accuse people of jealousy when one of their totems is attacked?"

Because THEY are jealous! Because THEY see Jordie's wide acceptance and his rolling in dough and sounding soooo smart (to the NPC)! And... they wish THEY could be that too -- so anyone saying a bad thing about their shining icon MUST (q.e.d.) be jealous!

Blogger Avalanche October 29, 2018 8:44 AM  

@36 "First lady Melania Trump has a laugh as President Trump waves a snake serpent in the direction of the press"

But aw geez.... are "we' STILL doing the "Egyptians were negro" shit?! I know, I know.... dialectic... but sheesh! Cleopatra was a direct lineal descendant from Alexander the Great's general Ptolemy -- she was NOT negroid!!!
(I really want a world where, just once in a while, the facts DO matter. Please?)

Blogger VD October 29, 2018 9:16 AM  

Avalanche, drop the damn parentheses. (It's not that hard.) Seriously, it's not!

Blogger Tars Tarkusz October 29, 2018 10:31 AM  

Peterson is really big in the 'skepticshpere' and so-called free-thinkers.
They think they are very special. They worship committees and credentials. They are fierce defenders of the status quo and bureaucracies. They could not worship Peterson without his credentials and without the phony 'prestige' of being a professor. They tend to be either freaks or Gammas.

Why would anyone simply assume jealousy is the motivating factor?
Why are they so enamored with credentialism and the status quo?

Blogger chronoblip October 29, 2018 12:24 PM  

Are they projecting their own jealousy, or are they projecting their own motivations, as jealousy would be only reason they understand for someone acting that way?

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 2:24 PM  

@47

"Milo is sharp as a tack, he knew he would cop this kind of flak and will likely be glad to be the naughty boy again"

Well, he is gay. They live for nothing more.

Blogger Bultz October 29, 2018 2:35 PM  

They seem to crumble every single time as soon as someone suggests to them that they've made a poor decision taking him seriously. A ringing endorsement of the effectiveness of JP's books, I'm sure you'll agree

Blogger Garuna October 29, 2018 2:40 PM  

Peterson fans sure do project a lot of feelings of inadequacy.

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Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 4:18 PM  

@48

"In spite of their professions, of either disdain or admiration, the secret kings are always jealous of even the slightest fame, which still surpasses their own."

On my 2nd or 3rd day of high school, when the opportunity was announced, I decided to run for class Treasurer in the student government, which would be about a week in the future. The next day, I found out that only other person running was this really ditzy girl. The day after that, my grandfather died, which kept me out of school until literally the day of the election.
I arrived early. Taped up a few signs I had made on poster board. Lost.

One of the best things that ever happened to me. If I had won that election, I would have had to replace a class to so as to make room for the daily, class-period long, in-hours student government meetings. Which, in retrospect, would have been a huge waste of my time.

The class that would have been jettisoned would have been "Intro to B.A.S.I.C. Programming." By the time all the death-related formalities had ended, the class started getting interesting.
I had FINALLY found SOMETHING in school that I actually liked.

The previous spring, when I signed up for that class, I had no idea what a computer really was; outside of an infamously not-meant-to-be-funny-but-it-was-to-most-viewers advertisement run by Control Data Corp.(*), I had never even heard of "computer programming" much less had an inkling of what it was, nor that all the videogames in arcades were computers. (From the introduction of Pong, they were ALL called "VIDEO games", not "computer games").

It turned out to be the BEST semester for me to have taken that class. There was only one section, with 11 of us in the class. Equipment: 1 Apple][+ and 2 teletypes with acousticly coupled modems with a 300 baud (30 characters/second) connectivity, via telephones, to an IBM 370 about 15 miles away, run by the county. Each port had it's own telephone number. This was a ratio of students:keyboards of only 3.75:1. Never would that exist until I graduated. The next semester, there were 2 sections, with one teacher (who was my next door neighbor) basically re-learning how to program from his college days and staying just one step ahead of his lessons. There were 2 other Apple][ (not ][+) computers floating around the math department, as needed, primarily for such things as quick, and accurate plotting of several trig functions all on the same sheet, where hand-drawn plots (such as 3 or 4 different sine or cosine waves with varying parameters), while accurate in all of the essentials, might not be believable and clear enough for us teenagers.

(continued below)

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 4:20 PM  

(continued)

The only other classes I had any enjoyment in during high school were history and physics.
If I hadn't had that class then, and maybe not gone into computer engineering, I sometimes wonder what my life would have been like. When I originally wasn't able to get into the engineering school I wanted, I spent a semester in the school of aeronautical and aerospace engineering. And while I did better in the vector-calculus based Statics and Dynamics course, I didn't really enjoy it, while I gladly suffered the much more difficult (for me) Introductury Circuit Analysis (which used lightly brushed on differential equation stuff ; diff eq's wasn't a pre-req, and the majority of us wouoldn't be taking it until the next semester, because that semester, we were all in multi-variate calculus with analytic geometry.)

Now, if I were an SJW, I would, to this day, be ruminating about how losing that election was due to not being popular enough, and denying me further popularity. Since i'm not the type that turns into an SJW, I literally didn't care by the end of the coming weekend. And today, I am utterly glad that I lost that election, and didn't waste an entire class-year (or more!) sitting in idiotic, and meaningless student council meetings.

(*) for classes being offered by the Control Data Institute

Visualize this: a man with a beard and glasses with 1970's swirled dark-brown frames, sitting in chair behind an empty desk, in an otherwise empty room, with: "I used to work for the post office. Do you know what that's like?!? Now, I'm a computer programmer!" with a tone which sounded as much like increased hopelessness and despair as relief and conquest. The typical TV viewer had absolutely no idea what he was talking about! For this was the age decades before even the words "the paperless office"(**) had yet to be uttered, or written, anywhere. Factory workers performed the same mundane task, hour after, while office workers retrieved, filled out, and filed the same forms, day after day, month after month. Things changed... but slowly.

(**) You remember THAT promi^H^H^H^H^Hjoke. Yeah, that was a good one! Now every clod in the office can whip up his or her own mostest-importantest form on the planet, without having to get approval from the boss to have it sent out to the printers! YEA UBIQUITOUS OFFICE COMPUTERS!

Blogger Silent Draco October 29, 2018 4:38 PM  

Dirk, I just speared a polyester, walking in zombie staggers outside. Two other double-knit pants are trying to disco out to the street. Do you know what you summoned, at this time of the year?

Blogger Dirk Manly October 29, 2018 9:59 PM  

Did either of them have their hair in a 'fro?

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