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Sunday, October 21, 2018

The end of empire

More and more people are beginning to be able to see the endgame is in sight:
We’re getting close to the end now. Can you feel it?  I do.  It’s in the news, on the streets, and in your face every day. You can’t tune it out anymore, even if you wanted to.

Where once there was civil debate in the court of public opinion, we now have censorship, monopoly, screaming, insults, demonization, and, finally, the use of force to silence the opposition. There is no turning back now. The political extremes are going to war, and you will be dragged into it even if you consider yourself apolitical.

There are great pivot points in history, and we’ve arrived at one. The United States, ruptured by a thousand grievance groups, torn by shadowy agencies drunk on a gross excess of power, robbed blind by oligarchs and their treasonous henchmen and decimated by frivolous wars of choice, has finally come to a point where the end begins in earnest. The center isn’t holding… indeed, finding a center is no longer even conceivable. We are the schizophrenic nation, bound by no societal norms, constrained by no religion, with no shared sense of history, myth, language, art, philosophy, music, or culture, rushing toward an uncertain future fueled by nothing more than easy money, hubris, and sheer momentum.
The tragedy is that it was always unnecessary. All Americans had to do was keep doing what they had been doing for decades. But instead, they listened to the whisperings of evil-minded foreigners in their ears, and decided to destroy their nation.

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Blogger Matt October 21, 2018 2:16 AM  

At least Basketball Americans will finally get a fair shake, and a chance to prove themselves as the kang's and queeaaynz they were meant to be.

Blogger S. Thermite October 21, 2018 2:32 AM  

Amen. I pray things hold together long enough that my elderly god-fearing parents don’t experience the violent collapse. But myself and my 10 younger sibling will witness it and it’s anyone’s guess what dire choices the future holds.

Blogger Crave October 21, 2018 2:53 AM  

I fear we're wholly unready for large scale conflict, and seriously doubt the supposed loyalties of uniformed personnel. Pray for velvet.

Blogger GammaCatch October 21, 2018 2:53 AM  

All I see anymore are Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and Blacks. All it will take is another Big One, or we just have to hit 2025. After Trump is out the Sharks will really start to go nuts. Oh well, it's been grand. Hope they need FactoryGuys in Hell.

Blogger Gettimothy October 21, 2018 2:55 AM  

Related: Angelo Codevilla's latest cites Thucydides to illustrate the historical revolutionary pattern we are.now living through.

https://americanmind.org/essays/our-revolutions-logic/

Blogger Ryan G October 21, 2018 2:56 AM  

I really want to be more positive and come up with some kind of counterpoint, but I don't think I can without lying.

All I can say is that I really doubt the collapse won't be a sudden thing. That almost never happens without a *major* calamity. Given the sheer physical size of the US, the 300+ million souls inhabiting it, and its military, there are vanishingly few events that could occur which would qualify: doomsday meteor hits, Yellowstone blowing its top, some kind of pandemic than spreads like a fuse along the lines the migrants use to enter the first world from the third; that's about it.

Rather, I suspect it will just be a slow, cancerous decay that takes decades more before something happens. People here aren't going to violently revolt until the power starts going out and their bellies go empty for probably the first time in their lives.

Blogger PCA October 21, 2018 4:00 AM  

Let's get real for a minute. For what percentage of its history has the US been a real nation?

There's a reason why virtually all European nationalists--or anyone who cares about art, beauty, truth, identity, logos--loathe the US. It's not principally envy at its power. It's resentment and disgust that this power has from the beginning been harnessed to anti-civilisational forces.

Blogger Ryan G October 21, 2018 5:29 AM  

@7 In the strictest definition of that term? Never.

Ethnically speaking, Germans and Dutch peoples were here before the US even existed and Pennsylvania - the state with the highest concentrations of such people at the time - was the 2nd state to join the Union in 1787.

Religiously, unless one wants to arbitrarily bundle together all of Protestantism into a single group, it's also never been homogeneous: Anglicanism, Baptists, Mennonites, etc. And, even then, there were large Catholic populations in Maryland as well.

Linguistically English wasn't uniformly spoken throughout the United States until much later - German, Dutch, Pennsylvanian Dutch, as well as smatterings of French speakers in the former French territories. And that's also ignoring the handful of indigenous tribes that became Christian and assimilated who probably still spoke their own language as well.

So, the US never existed as a literal nation unless you want stretch the qualifications of such to mean simply "white and Christian".

Blogger steb October 21, 2018 5:31 AM  

Ryan G wrote:All I can say is that I really doubt the collapse won't be a sudden thing. That almost never happens without a *major* calamity.

I'm not sure if that's true. If people on the left decide that collapse is inevitable then they might want to position themselves to be in charge of whatever comes next. That means starting to plan new territory and forms of government ahead of time. The more their plans progress, the smaller the trigger needs to be for them to put it into effect.

California could easily secede after Trump's re-election. because which Democrat would want to be the one to speak against it when Antifa are literally pounding on the door, screaming about Nazis?

Blogger DJT October 21, 2018 5:54 AM  

So, the US never existed as a literal nation unless you want stretch the qualifications of such to mean simply "white and Christian".

That's why federalism was so important.

The US was not conceived as a nation, and was never intended to be. From day one it was a collection of white, Christian nation-states joining into what was originally just an economic and defense pact. The US was basically the original European Union.

Federalism enabled each colony to govern itself within a loose framework, such that until the Civil War, many considered their state, not America, to be their country or nation.

But the constitution made a federal government too powerful and prone to abuse for true federalism to last. Lincoln was the ultimate destroyer, but his abuses were only the end of a line of precedents stretching back to almost the beginning.

The seeds of America's destruction were planted in its very founding. It took 250 years for it to come to fruition, but here we are.

Blogger JAG October 21, 2018 5:54 AM  

PCA wrote:Let's get real for a minute. For what percentage of its history has the US been a real nation?

There's a reason why virtually all European nationalists--or anyone who cares about art, beauty, truth, identity, logos--loathe the US. It's not principally envy at its power. It's resentment and disgust that this power has from the beginning been harnessed to anti-civilisational forces.


Get real. It's envy for the most part since the US is the only colony to gain it's independence and then become far more powerful than Europe.

It's also resentment for the deep seated guilt that the EU would never have become as economically powerful as it has without the US and it's military protection.

Yeah, the US is a mess, but don't act like Europe isn't a basket case itself.

Also, no true Scotsman...

Blogger weka October 21, 2018 6:06 AM  

You can have a hegemony and a welfare state for a long time if you have a homogeneous population. Rome managed it for far longer than the USA existed.

But you cannot extend that citizenship to anyone who turns up. You lose the most marioram and without that the internal sense of legitimacy any polity needs to govern.

The last 50 years have almost destroyed this in the West. In the Commonwealth, we need the Tories to uncuck themselves and then throw the new immigrants out.

Europe is further ahead, as is much of the USA.

In the meantime, plant your garden and live where the crowds are not

Blogger Stilicho October 21, 2018 6:21 AM  

@weka build a community too. Assemble a core of like-minded folks as much as you can. It will be the point around which your community coalesces when things fall apart.

Blogger Mark Stoval October 21, 2018 6:24 AM  

Imagine, if you will, that the USA decided to end the empire.

We bring home the military from the hundreds of places overseas that they are, and stop all wars. Hell, we even stop threatening Russia. We put them all on our southern border and shoot anything that moves.

We then discover in some dusty corner of an old warehouse in DC a copy of the original constitution which still contains the 10th amendment. People are amazed.

We decide that ANY state may leave the union at any time and that most federal laws now are unconstitutional. (see the 10th)

The nation ends all welfare, free schooling, affirmative action, race quotas for businesses, and starts putting inner city thugs in their graves if they commit crimes of violence.

I can imagine a slow move back from the edge, or a fast decent into civil war. I don't know which would happen but both are to be preferred over the white genocide we are headed to today.

Blogger Attila is my bro October 21, 2018 6:25 AM  

>>In the meantime, plant your garden and live where the crowds are not<<

Survival necessities: God, guns & gardens.

Blogger ZhukovG October 21, 2018 7:31 AM  

The break up of the United States started years ago. Things like this tend to start slow and then go over the cliff suddenly.

Everyday, the novel, 'Victoria'(available from Castalia House) seems less like fiction and more like divinely inspired prophecy.

Blogger Ceerilan October 21, 2018 7:37 AM  

Looks like all the conservative concern over helping our country stay together by retreating slowly only made its downfall inevitable. The only thing that will keep America intact now is the subjugation of the rebellious liberal culture by force.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 21, 2018 7:45 AM  

"plant your garden and live where the crowds are not"

When the mob goes on the rampage, the first defense is simply being where it is not. Mobs, like water, follow the path of least resistance. Ergo, being somewhere a long walk up a steep trail from easy food supply is where they are never going to go.

Blogger Ransom Smith October 21, 2018 7:50 AM  

That's why federalism was so important.
Federalism was a mistake. It took 13+ independent nations with different cultures and heritage, and attempted to force them under a single set of rules .

Blogger Salt October 21, 2018 7:54 AM  

All Americans had to do was keep doing what they had been doing for decades.

Which decades? Least since Lincoln, what decade wasn't progressive in nature? America wasn't meant to be One Nation.

Blogger Solon October 21, 2018 8:03 AM  

I'll meet you there. I'll be in line, right behind the sorry sons-of-bitches I take with me.

With any luck, that'll be a damn long line. Hellfire might be a little easier to endure if I get to watch them burn right next to me.

If you see me down there, give me a wave. Or a nod. We'll know who we are.

Blogger Hammerli280 October 21, 2018 8:28 AM  

End? I disagree profoundly. I think this is a new beginning.

First, the Old "Conservative" Order, with its lack of a guiding political philosophy, is being replaced by the Libertarian Nationalism of the New Right. This gives us a much firmer ideological ground to stand on.

Second, the not-paying-much-attention "moderates" are waking up to the fact that the Rabid wing of the Left is now running the Democrat Party.

Third, there is a beginning of a recognition that the only way to stop the Rabid Left from using political violence will be to employ violence against them.

I've been expecting serious mob violence since the summer of 2017. If the GOP retains control of both houses of Congress in the mid-terms, I expect the Rabid Left to go full-bore tantrum. At which point we get to give them the Napoleonic riot-queller - the "whiff of grapeshot". Overwhelming use of deadly force, followed by arrests and prosecution of the organizers.

Now, in the long run we need to get the efforts to maintain national cohesion fired up again. American national identity has never been that strong, there are too many divisions of culture and faith in the way. But between the end of the Civil War and around 1970, there was a significant effort made to keep things together...and that effort succeeded. But it takes effort. The ship of state requires constant preventive maintenance to keep it afloat, and we're WAY behind on it.

But we're not sunk yet.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 21, 2018 8:29 AM  

The conservative establishment had one job and that was to legitimize the current power structure, well how do you do that these days? Secondly the neocons and their fellow travelers have IMO taken Spengler's Learned Elders of Wye advice and are stooging for China, that ain't good for the empire.

Blogger John Doe03526 October 21, 2018 8:30 AM  

The immigration act of 1965 looms ever larger as a decisive event. Similar to Emperor Valens letting the Goths cross the Danube.

One thing I have learned from VD is that not all US citizens are Americans. Mazie Hirono and Linda Sarsour are Americans? GTFO.

Blogger Solon October 21, 2018 8:39 AM  

We've been under federal rule for so long, there's literally no clean way for a state to break free.

Imagine California votes to secede. They no longer get Federal funding, the federal government no longer provides unfettered transportation of food and goods to them. Hell, they don't even get water, assuming Nevada and the Hoover dam remains in the union. Power blackouts abound.

California would collapse into a Mad Max hellscape within, literally, weeks. All of the major cities (San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco) are aflame within days. Refugee trains of the old, the young, and women trail out miles long in a hike across the desert to try and escape (they don't have food, they don't have water, they don't have gasoline for vehicles). Millions starve to death on this march. Millions more die in the ensuing firefights of urban warfare as communities of whites, Asians, and Latinos struggle to claim what territory they can.

The feds could sit at the border and watch. More likely, they send in armed forces to militarily pacify any and all populations they find: California's ports are far too important to simply let go. Hundreds of thousands are put in internment camps. All of the politicians are arrested, summarily tried, and executed for treason.

China sends troops to "protect their citizens still living in California." They meet up with federal forces. One stray bullet from a "freedom fighter" kills a Chinese soldier. China responds by napalming internment camps. World war 3 kicks off full blast.



This sounds grim, but it is my belief that this is approximately what would happen if California were allowed to "vote to secede."

The tenth amendment is a dead letter. Like it or not, American states can no longer separate without a cataclysmic supernova of death and destruction that would make WW2 look like a schoolyard fight with a bully.

The scariest part? This is what many on the left want. They WANT this. Oh, they don't want the death and destruction, no, but they literally haven't thought it through to the extent that I've described here. They honestly believe that they can go their separate way and everyone just nods and says "good luck."

Our best hope is that, 2024, Trump pulls a Caesar and abolishes the Senate and House, declares martial law across the entire country, ousts any and all opposition (including all journalists, politicians, and domestic terrorist organizations like Antifa), and declares himself Emperor. It's the only way I can see that results in the least bloodshed for the average American.

It means that we are no longer a republic, but a military dictatorship at worst, and a monarchy at best. Oh well. It was a good try. Fun while it lasted. Almost worked, too.

My worst sadness is that my daughter has to live through the coming times.

Blogger Mark Stoval October 21, 2018 8:46 AM  

"California would collapse into a Mad Max hellscape within, literally, weeks. All of the major cities (San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco) are aflame within days. Refugee trains of the old, the young, and women trail out miles long in a hike across the desert to try and escape (they don't have food, they don't have water, they don't have gasoline for vehicles). Millions starve to death on this march. Millions more die in the ensuing firefights of urban warfare as communities of whites, Asians, and Latinos struggle to claim what territory they can."

Do you see any downside?

Blogger Hammerli280 October 21, 2018 8:49 AM  

I hate to break it to folks, but Federalism won't work. Not when it comes to criminal law. Henry Ford and Dwight Eisenhower killed it. It's FAR too easy to cross state lines these days - which means that there needs to be a harmonization of laws.

Blogger Hammerli280 October 21, 2018 8:53 AM  

WRT California secession, it's worth remembering that almost all Blue states are NOT monolithic. Outside of Greater Los Angeles and the Bay area, there are damned few liberals in California. And the same is true for just about everywhere else (parts of New England being the exception). The lawless Warren Court's "one fool, one vote" decision did more harm than any other ruling from that pack of incompetents.

Blogger ZhukovG October 21, 2018 9:00 AM  

@Solon: The Constitution in general is a dead letter and that is ONE reason the dissolution of the American Union is inevitable. The United States will divide into several independent countries. Some will succeed, some will fail.

I actually expect California to succeed... in becoming a slightly wealthier Mexico. Once the Aztecs sacrifice the Hollywood Jews and Berkeley Professors to their gods, they'll ditch the environmental rules and China will happily trade with them.

Texas will have to sort itself out ethnically, but I expect it will become a very wealthy republic with a Euro-Texan majority and Mexi-Texan minority.

Dixie 2.0 will also have to sort itself out ethnically, but will, like Texas, become a wealthy Nation-State dominated by a White Southron majority.

The rest of North America, I am not so sure about. Some will be good, some will be the deepest pit of perdition.

Blogger Avalanche October 21, 2018 9:04 AM  

@17 " The only thing that will keep America intact now is the subjugation of the rebellious liberal culture by force."

The only thing that will keep America intact now is the subjugation of the rebellious liberal culture by force AND the ejection of foreigners/immvaders by... whatever means necessary.

FIFY

Blogger Mark Stoval October 21, 2018 9:05 AM  

@28

I can agree that there are "good people" in every state, even in California. But at some point states begin to leave the union or the white race is dead. We must carve out a homeland without any POC.

The Human Biodiversity (HBD) researchers are telling us that we really need to separate from the Africans for sure, and the other POC also. There are going to be innocent people killed. That can not be avoided. The question is: will the whites in the USA survive?

Blogger pyrrhus October 21, 2018 9:26 AM  

@14 Don't forget to restrict the franchise to natural born men and and married women with children and ban all dual citizens....Skin in the game.

Blogger James Dixon October 21, 2018 9:43 AM  

> Rather, I suspect it will just be a slow, cancerous decay that takes decades more before something happens.

You're overlooking how close we are to a major financial collapse. Decades? Perhaps, but not many of them. With $20T in debt and climbing at almost $1T per year, it's only a matter of time.

> California could easily secede after Trump's re-election.

A peaceful secession by California would be a very good thing for the rest of the country. For them, not so much so. But it's the one hope for a peaceful solution.


Blogger pyrrhus October 21, 2018 9:54 AM  

More on the demolition of science by feminists...https://vdare.com/articles/it-s-official-even-hard-science-entering-new-dark-age?scroll_to_paragraph=3

Blogger pyrrhus October 21, 2018 9:57 AM  

@33 Another possible trigger point is the renewed water crisis in the Southwest, and especially California. We are only a few years from serious reductions in water allotments from the Colorado...

Blogger tz October 21, 2018 10:00 AM  

I was praying about this and the image I got was the Israelites that just wanted to be left alone to worship God. The Egyptians and especially Pharoah and his court and magicians are like the elite and swamp. And they see the plagues coming like Venezuela but are full of hate and unreason and have hardened hearts. They are doing violence. They won't let us go to worship our God in peace.

The split is between Christendom wanting to restore a promised land under the Constitution, and they are 95% white Europeans. That covers the three pillars.

On the other side is multiculturalism on steroids. Not the NYC ethnic neighborhoods where there are Irish, Italians, and others, but now the blacks, illegals, muslim refugees, LGBTQ. Also full socialism, and they won't leave neoChristendom alone, they want to place a boot on our face forever and demand we say we see 5 lights.

There is no science or reason, just emotion and a hatred and willingness to do anything that would make Gengis Kahan and Torquemada blush. "Coexist" or else! Submit or else!

It is a religion, and it was labeled long ago. Anti-Christ. Read what the Anti-Christ does in Revelation and Paul noted there are already many anti-Christs. That no man can buy or sell? That you have to pledge fealty by getting the mark of the beast? We are getting that. I don't think it is Armageddon, and we aren't going to be raptured.

That is why Trump and the Midterms are so important. But more than that. We can't coexist with a group that explicitly wants to use violence and wants to destroy us and everything we hold dear. The Cucks and Churchians will try to remain on the fence as long as possible, but the left is going to force them off.

What happened to some of the right (not even Nazis) at Charlottesville is happening to the alt-lite Proud Boys and Gavin McInnes. It will continue to spread.

We are of Christ, but we must realize we are dealing with demon possessed people serving the shadow of Anti-Christ. You can't reason with demons. They have to go back - to Hell.

Blogger Blastmaster October 21, 2018 10:04 AM  

To ease bloodshed I propose that the Northeast states become one seperate country. California, Wasington and Oregon can add Arizona and Nevada as a seperate Left Coast/Mestizo nation. We could also form a Blue Mini state, surrounded by a wall that consists of a coridor encircling Parts of Milwaukee, All of Chicago, Gary Indiana and Detroit.

Blogger Blastmaster October 21, 2018 10:06 AM  

Oh, did I say a blue state? Guess it would go from black to Red pretty quickly. From Bloodshed and Communism

Blogger English Tom October 21, 2018 10:28 AM  

@Ryan G

Re: bellies going empty.

Research Grand Solar Minimum. The last major minimum was the Maunder minimum which created a phase of history known as: the general crisis of the 17th century.

Check out on youtube: Ice Age Farmer who has been cataloguing the crop losses that have already been occurring worldwide and are now set to intensify dramatically. His work is bolstered on YouTube by Adapt2030 and Oppenheimer Ranch project.

Hunger will stalk the world sooner rather than later and you may get your wish.

Blogger Jourdan October 21, 2018 10:31 AM  

Strong piece until the conclusion. The foreigners who held so much influence in the events leading us to where we are right now are a symptom and not a cause. In a healthy polity, they wouldn't have found purchase for their aims.

The problem has always been, from the Founding, that the U.S. has two competing traditions that are mutually exclusive. From fights in the committee charged with producing the Declaration of Independence through the Civil War up to the Cold War and through to today, the Blue Team and the Red Team have really always been at war.

On the one hand you have the blue tribe with America as founded on universalist values, applying to all peoples at all time, which, though born in a state of principle-violating sin, has been on a journey towards an ever more perfect Union. Even if that journey has to be over the dead bodies of the retrograde....

Red team which views the founding as a statement of the rights of a particular people, Englishmen and their posterity, and the United States as a flesh-and-blood nation of a particular character, constituting a nation in the historical sense, with a distinct use of language, customs, morals, mores, laws, humor, art and literature.

The Blue Team scored a world-historic victory of their ancient enemy during the Liberal Revolution of 1968-72, but, unfortunately for them, their very victory proved their undoing.

The complete resolution of the black problem led not to their view of peace and harmony but an incredibly vicious crime wave that served to toss a good number of Americans back into the Red camp.

Having been scorned, and facing the choice of either giving up on one of their most holy ideogological positions or finding another way, they found another way: if blacks could not be reconciled with White America, then White America would have to go.

This is where we are now.

Blogger Roy October 21, 2018 10:31 AM  

@32 pyrrhus wrote:@14 Don't forget to restrict the franchise to natural born men and and married women with children and ban all dual citizens....Skin in the game.

You still haven't got the clue if you think that Any women should be allowed the vote.

Blogger CoolHand October 21, 2018 10:32 AM  

@37 In no way shape or form should the productive centers of the country cede all the major ports and water transport routes to the blue locusts.

I don't care if they'll die off eventually or not, the locusts simply cannot be allow to squat on such precious real estate as that.

No nation that is totally land locked and surrounded by hostile neighbors in control of all the major transportation hubs is long for this world.

Long Beach and San Fransisco Harbors are too important to simply abandon without a fight.

Perhaps only one or the other would suffice, but if you're gonna have to wage a war to capture one you might as well take both.

In for a penny, in for a pound as they say. Or as Patton said of the Soviets, "We're gonna have to fight the sons of bitches one way or the other, we might as well do it while we've got the army here."

Blogger English Tom October 21, 2018 10:37 AM  

@Still a is my bro

Not just gardens. Check out hydroponics,aquaponics and growing microgreens.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey October 21, 2018 10:37 AM  

It is indeed tragic. You've got to beware of nostalgia, but even accounting for that I yet do strongly believe that the America of my youth was so much a better place, and I am at great pains to consider what happened to it and the likely impossibility in having it back. I'm speaking of the 1970s America, that's the earliest I can remember. It certainly had its problems, but it retained a community and cohesiveness that is scarcely found today.


I lived a somewhat itinerant life which was very unusual back then, thanks to the nature of my father's employment. I grew up in a number of places including Dallas, TX and New York, NY and Washington, DC and Martinsville, VA. All my old neighborhoods are smashed to pieces and totally unrecognizable, all but one in Martinsville are barely recognizable as American. The one in Dallas has become Mexican, the one in New York became truly bizarre, followed by DC. And the one in Martinsville, while remaining American, fell into a state of depression and malaise that has gripped it and bedeviled it for decades now and remains ongoing. Maybe that's ironically what saved it, for even MS-13 and Insta-Jihads have landed nearby even in Roanoke.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume October 21, 2018 10:37 AM  

@28

Very true. Tourists are often shocked at just how conservative NYS is outside of NYC, Buffalo and Albany.

But the combined populations of those cities tilts everything.

Still, Mark Stoval is right as well. Sooner or later, something has to break.

Blogger pnq8787 October 21, 2018 10:45 AM  

The white race has proven time and time again that it does not have the moral stomach to commit the deeds it needs to commit to survive and thrive.

To be clear, if you aren't willing to commit mass murder and potentially burn in hell to save your nation, then you don't have what it takes.

Blogger English Tom October 21, 2018 10:49 AM  

@John Doe03526

Another decisive event was 1913 and the creation of the (((Federal Reserve))).

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 21, 2018 10:52 AM  

California would change dramatically for the better of the rotten head in Sacramento were cut off. As someone else said, outside of the cities is vastly different peoples and politics.

Blogger Hammerli280 October 21, 2018 10:59 AM  

The only way I can see a peaceful secession would be to throw state boundaries out and make the division on county or even precinct boundaries. California doesn't secede, it shatters.

Blogger English Tom October 21, 2018 11:01 AM  

@pnq8787

Re: white people having no stomach for violence.

Think again my brother. We are dealing with the political cycle. Things are going to get far more harsher and this has an effect on social mood.

As Robert Prechter states, "mood change precedes, and creates history."

The wheel will turn and the blood will flow. History teaches us this.

Blogger justaguy October 21, 2018 11:03 AM  

As long as we have men, often Christian, who dedicate themselves to their country either through the military or the police/firemen then we still have the basis for continuing the country. No one is going to pay much attention to a bunch of soyboys running around as Antifa. People will just ignore them and occasionally shoot them in self-defense.

We are not even close to breaking up into open violence/civil war yet. It will take more than Pelosi and others calling for chaos. We are actually seeing the FBI cleaned up as well as the DOJ. Wait until after midterms.

My prediction: Big Brother will prevail over civil war. Big Brother will do just enough to keep the population content and asleep.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz October 21, 2018 11:04 AM  

The government is as powerful as it has ever been.
The more likely outcome is that we just end up like Brazil.

Blogger Hrothgar October 21, 2018 12:30 PM  

They was meant to be.

Blogger DJT October 21, 2018 12:31 PM  

Federalism was a mistake. It took 13+ independent nations with different cultures and heritage, and attempted to force them under a single set of rules .

Believe me, having read both, I find the arguments in The Antifederalist Papers far more persuasive than those of The Federalist Papers. And we can clearly see today the former was largely right, even prophetic, about what the Constitution would bring about.

The Constitution is a dead letter because there is no mechanism of enforcing it beyond the honor of the men who are in power. The Civil War took away the only means of enforcement, that is, secession.

I am a proponent of the Articles of Confederation. All the arguments about "muh central government wasn't strong enough to run the country" is Federalist propaganda.

Having several independent nation-states would have been better still, but the common defense was a necessity.

Perhaps if the British Empire had not been hell-bent on enslaving and killing their own people in the Americas, none of this would have happened. (We can see the British are still enslaving and killing their native people today. They haven't changed at all.)

Blogger Greg Hunt October 21, 2018 12:38 PM  

"I actually expect California to succeed"

California is a desert. The agriculture comes from irrigation canals fed by dams. The drinking water comes from dams. When those dams break, California reverts to being a desert. LA couldn't support a tenth of its population without the water being piped in from far, far away.

California is successful because a certain demographic moved to the desert and watered it. If that demographic leaves, California dies. Those that remain need do nothing more than fail to maintain the dams, pumps, pipes, and canals, and those big farms and cities go dry and die.

California will not be successful.

Blogger Lance E October 21, 2018 12:40 PM  

He says that the problem is that these groups no longer communicate, and that leads to demonization etc. But I have seen fairly convincing evidence that communication is exactly the problem. After all, that's why borders and fences are better than buses and section 8 vouchers.

Voluntary self-segregation is how we reduce unnecessary conflict. Democracy, migration and desegregation forced these disparate groups into constant conflict. These "echo chambers" that everyone is so worried about are the system collectively trying to find ways to de-escalate. It won't be effective, because the echo chambers are only online and the conflicting groups are still forced together offline. But if we had the ability to self-segregate at work, in politics, and so on, then the self-segregation already happening in media and online communications would be an essential part of the long-term solution.

Blogger DonReynolds October 21, 2018 1:04 PM  

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Blogger Duke Norfolk October 21, 2018 1:10 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:Dixie 2.0 will also have to sort itself out ethnically, but will, like Texas, become a wealthy Nation-State dominated by a White Southron majority.



I'm curious what states you consider as being in Dixie? I realize there's varied opinions on that, and who knows how might eventually shake out.

As a Missourian I'm really not sure if we fit in there or not. And of course that was a bit of a mixed issue during the WONA.

One thing's for sure: it's sure going to be interesting.

Blogger DonReynolds October 21, 2018 1:10 PM  

Most of my life, the political Center was a relatively calm and peaceful place. Nobody on the Left or the Right bothered to lob any mortar rounds into the political Center. It was like neutral ground, where the compromises were crafted, where deals were made, and the prisoners/spies exchanged.

It was in the Left and the Right that DEMANDS were pitched, but the DECISIONS, carrying the weight of the majority, were made in the Center. And the Center could be a bit slow and inconsistent with the compromises, subject more to the slight breeze of ever shifting public opinion....but it was the Center that always cast the deciding vote.

That is no longer true. These days, being in the political Center means being attacked the MOST, catching Hell from both Left and Right. No more wooing and seducing the Center with practical and moral posturing from Left and Right.

Like sheep in a hailstorm, the Center has no refuge from the storms that are only now beginning and are expected to get much worse. The only refuge from the storms will be in the BARNS of the Left and the Right, but there is no place to shelter 10,000 sheep in a hailstorm.

Blogger Chesapean October 21, 2018 1:10 PM  

End of empire is here. I don't know enough about history, political science or human natue to have good ideas what to do about it.

I understand buy a gun, fortify a defensible location and lay in some supplies, but it seems there must be something more.

Tactically, I hope the good guys capture all the land around the Chesapeake Bay out to the other side of the mountains. I would fight for that.

Blogger DonReynolds October 21, 2018 1:24 PM  

Duke Norfolk wrote:ZhukovG wrote:Dixie 2.0 will also have to sort itself out ethnically, but will, like Texas, become a wealthy Nation-State dominated by a White Southron majority.



I'm curious what states you consider as being in Dixie? I realize there's varied opinions on that, and who knows how might eventually shake out.

As a Missourian I'm really not sure if we fit in there or not. And of course that was a bit of a mixed issue during the WONA.

One thing's for sure: it's sure going to be interesting.


Being from Missouri, you should know about the history of your own state. The historic state government of Missouri was forced to flee at bayonet point, with papers and bureaucrats from the state capital, then driven from the state, and sat out the rest of the civil war in exile, in a small town in east Texas. A new state government was created out of thin air by Unionists, with the close coordination of the Union Army, and Lincoln used his unprecedented authority to ignore the historic state government of Missouri and recognize the new Union government as the sole legitimate state government in Missouri.

This is an important page in the Lincoln playbook that was never reversed by the Supreme Court. Thus the President has the ability to do exactly that to any of the states. Think of Trump recognizing the new state government in Northern California as the sole legitimate government of ALL of California, instead of the historic government at Sacramento.....a state government now in open rebellion against Federal authority.

Blogger DonReynolds October 21, 2018 1:37 PM  

@59 DJT

The Federalist Papers were a list of promises to the public about how the new Constitution would work great.

The Anti-Federalist Papers questioned whether men in the future would keep those promises...or would they act in their own self interest to become more and more powerful.

It seems the promises were not at all binding on future generations and yes, they did prefer MORE power from themselves and fewer limitations.

Blogger Valley Forge Patriot October 21, 2018 1:40 PM  

Memo to VOX: WHY do you use GOOGLE to host your blog? Google is evil, is in bed with evil, and seeks to destroy everything we hold dear. Why, why, why? There are other options. OASN: Yes, the United States empire is about to fall. Did not Pres. George Washington warn us about foreign entanglements? Did not Pres. John Quincy Adams advise not to go abroad in search of monsters to destroy? We deserve our fate for flippantly ignoring the wise counsel of the Founding Fathers.

Blogger Were-Puppy October 21, 2018 1:42 PM  

@39 English Tom
Hunger will stalk the world sooner rather than later and you may get your wish.
---

Another of the Horsemen arriving on the scene ?

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 1:51 PM  

@8

". And, even then, there were large Catholic populations in Maryland as well. "

Large Catholic populations?

Maryland was FOUNDED AS A CATHOLIC STATE.

Blogger Valley Forge Patriot October 21, 2018 1:52 PM  

To those Christians who are looking for a Christian/Catholic fighting organization, may I suggest:

https://knightstemplarinternational.com/

They seem to be legit....

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 1:56 PM  

@11

"
Yeah, the US is a mess, but don't act like Europe isn't a basket case itself.

Also, no true Scotsman..."


There were many who fled Europe to the U.S. just to escape the constant and incessant wars between the British, French, Dutch, various German States, Flemish, Polish, Spanish, Portuguese, Italians, Swedes, Russians, and Austrians.
Any beef between 2 of them would inevitably bring in 50% of the others.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 2:03 PM  

@10

"We decide that ANY state may leave the union at any time and that most federal laws now are unconstitutional. (see the 10th)

You don't even need the 10th Amendment for that. All that needs to be done is to recognize that the Interstate Commerce Clause is not a blank check.

Likewise, the General Welfare clause is ALSO not a blank check -- if it were, there would be absolutely no need for the enumerated powers to be specified and enumerated.

Blogger Random #57 October 21, 2018 2:04 PM  

@22 Hammerli280:

I've been expecting serious mob violence since the summer of 2017. If the GOP retains control of both houses of Congress in the mid-terms, I expect the Rabid Left to go full-bore tantrum. At which point we get to give them the Napoleonic riot-queller - the "whiff of grapeshot". Overwhelming use of deadly force, followed by arrests and prosecution of the organizers.

What makes you "expect" this? The "mob" is totally supported by our ruling class, is in fact their inchoate paramilitary wing, and this has been true for decades. How do you think the organized violence of antifa, always in response to some enemy of their's, they never hold their own events, escapes the tender mercies of the DoJ, while they focus their energies on whites who dare to defend themselves, as @36 tz notes.

Blogger DonReynolds October 21, 2018 2:05 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:@33 Another possible trigger point is the renewed water crisis in the Southwest, and especially California. We are only a few years from serious reductions in water allotments from the Colorado...

The water "shortage" in California is largely self-inflicted, since they have unlimited access to the Pacific Ocean. The technology exists for using desalinated sea water and it has improved greatly since I was a boy. (I grew up in a port city on the East Coast that ONLY had access to desalinated sea water, because of the tides.)

The California addiction to out-of-state water is because they are cheap and they want it for nothing or next to nothing. That may soon be a thing of the past as adjacent states grow to need that water for themselves.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 2:06 PM  

Perhaps now, with Kavanaugh on the Court (and if not, then after Wild Eyed Radical Ginsberg is dead... naturally or unnaturally), we might see abolition of entire swaths of laws one the basis of Congressional over-reach and abuse of the Interstate Commerce clause and the General Welfare clause.

Blogger Random #57 October 21, 2018 2:15 PM  

@40 Jourdan:

The Blue Team scored a world-historic victory of their ancient enemy during the Liberal Revolution of 1968-72, but, unfortunately for them, their very victory proved their undoing.

The complete resolution of the black problem led not to their view of peace and harmony but an incredibly vicious crime wave that served to toss a good number of Americans back into the Red camp.

Having been scorned, and facing the choice of either giving up on one of their most holy ideogological positions or finding another way, they found another way: if blacks could not be reconciled with White America, then White America would have to go.


By the time this happened, (((one tribe))) inside the Blue Team which has always worked to destroy White America was dominant. I'd even question if their "complete resolution of the black problem" wasn't intended to achieve the results you list, the blowback being an acceptable cost. It also added another tribe to Team Blue, that by the very nature of their skin and genes behind it wants White America to go, although they haven't thought through, most are too stupid to even be capable of it, what the consequences of that will be. The US isn't a "tropical paradise" with bountiful food, and diseases to keep the population in check.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 2:19 PM  

@19

". It took 13+ independent nations with different cultures and heritage, and attempted to force them under a single set of rules."

That didn't happen until Congress discovered that they could abuse the Interstate Commerce clause.

Until then, the only "universal application" of laws that were really resented ware:

1) the Fugitive Slave Law was resented in some northern states, and
2) the import tariff on manufactured good was resented throughout most of the South (but not as much in Alabama, due to the manufacturing center in Birmingham).

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 2:20 PM  

@20

"America wasn't meant to be One Nation. "

You mean the Socialist authors of the Pledge of Allegiance lied to me?

I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

Blogger Valley Forge Patriot October 21, 2018 2:21 PM  

"...if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." Winston Churchill, "The Second World War", Volume I : The Gathering Storm (1948) Chapter 19

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 2:23 PM  

@22

"Second, the not-paying-much-attention "moderates" are waking up to the fact that the Rabid wing of the Left is now running the Democrat Party."

My friend, a retired drill sergeant AND 30-year GM/UAW retiree (and son of one of the original "sit down strikers") has finally admitted that the Democratic Party has gone full Communist, and voting (D) is voting for his enemies.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 2:26 PM  

@22

" American national identity has never been that strong, there are too many divisions of culture and faith in the way."

There was quite a lot during the 1970's -- even among the blacks. The TV show "Soul Train" opened with an animated sequence of a funky choo-choo train, all decked out in patriotic decoration, producing clouds of red/white/blue smoke.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 2:39 PM  

@25

"China sends troops to "protect their citizens still living in California." They meet up with federal forces. One stray bullet from a "freedom fighter" kills a Chinese soldier. China responds by napalming internment camps. World war 3 kicks off full blast."

Uh, that's even more ridiculous than the Japanese invasion of the West Coast scenario.

At least Japan had

1) 75% of the World's operational aircraft carriers
2) The ONLY nation to conduct aircraft carrier operations in WW1 against land-based targets. NOBODY else in the world had actually done carrier ops, other than the British navy's minor participation in the Japanese CV ops.
3) Lots of troop ships and landing craft.

In comparison, China has

1) 1 Operational Carrier. If you have Fuel Oil carriers, you needed 3 carriers to have one combat operational (1 for training, and 2 rotating between themselves on station and port). Even with Nuclear carriers, you need at least 2 (one on-station, and 1 for training).

China has ONE aircraft carrier. Which means, that they really have NO aircraft carrier -- if it's on operations, then aircrew losses can't be replaced, because the only carrier for conducting pilot training (landing on a carrier in a fast-mover aircraft, even in the daytime, is no joke -- let alone at night in black-out conditions).

3) China has NO landing craft fleet.

IF China were to try such a stunt, the landing fleet and attendant support ships would be turned into new reefs within minutes. They don't have anything like Phalanx, which itself can be overwhelmed. And the US Navy has huge stockpiles of Air-to-Ship and Surface-to-Ship missiles on both coasts.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 2:42 PM  

OOPS) Skipped #2

The Chinese have next to no Aircraft Carrier Training history (By the time WW2 broke out, the US had over 20 years of CV experience (starting with CV-1 USS Langley), and for over 10 years, experience with CV vs. CV wargames (One carrier would be assigned the task of attacking the Panama Canal, the other CV would be assigned the role of defense of the canal).

The Chinese don't even know HOW to play that game, let alone how to win it.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 2:46 PM  

@29

"Dixie 2.0 will also have to sort itself out ethnically, but will, like Texas, become a wealthy Nation-State dominated by a White Southron majority."

The Whites haven't been a majority in the South since the very very early 1800's.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 2:49 PM  

@3
3
"A peaceful secession by California would be a very good thing for the rest of the country."

No can do.
The ports of Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Fransisco are too important. Plus, NOBODY would trust an independent California to *not* INVITE the Chinese to land on their shores and invade their neighbors.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 3:03 PM  

@37

"California, Wasington and Oregon can add Arizona and Nevada as a seperate Left Coast/Mestizo nation."

Giving up ALL of our Pacific ports would be Treasonously stupid. Do you have any idea how much food we produce is shipped out of those ports? If we have to ship through ANOTHER COUNTRY, believe me, they will make the majority of the profits on any sale, not us.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 3:04 PM  

@37

"We could also form a Blue Mini state, surrounded by a wall that consists of a coridor encircling Parts of Milwaukee, All of Chicago, Gary Indiana and Detroit. "

Or, you know, we could just destroy the feral populations which are destroying those cities.

It would literally take less than one winter to do so.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 3:10 PM  

@51

"
We are not even close to breaking up into open violence/civil war yet."

Already started. Inauguration Day afternoon.

You know, the violent thugs running around dressed in black with their faces covered....

(A few dozen of whom are going to Fed Prison...)

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 3:11 PM  

@54

"The Constitution is a dead letter because there is no mechanism of enforcing it beyond the honor of the men who are in power. The Civil War took away the only means of enforcement, that is, secession."

.... and dueling.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 3:12 PM  

@54
"I am a proponent of the Articles of Confederation. All the arguments about "muh central government wasn't strong enough to run the country" is Federalist propaganda."

Quite true. Canada is a Confederation with a very weak Federal Government.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 3:15 PM  

@54

"
Perhaps if the British Empire had not been hell-bent on enslaving and killing their own people in the Americas, none of this would have happened. (We can see the British are still enslaving and killing their native people today. They haven't changed at all.)"

Those Brits being enslaved and killed aren't their own people. The British government is primarily Norman (which is to say, Vikings who settled on the French coast after leaving NORway) and Hanovarian.

The Brits are getting shafted because the Brits aren't running the place. And haven't been running the place since 1066.

Blogger Random #57 October 21, 2018 3:24 PM  

@84 Dirk Manly:

@51

"We are not even close to breaking up into open violence/civil war yet."

Already started. Inauguration Day afternoon.

You know, the violent thugs running around dressed in black with their faces covered....

(A few dozen of whom are going to Fed Prison...)


Only the 21 who plead guilty, and I'm not going to make any bets any of them actually see the inside of a Federal Prison for this set of crimes.

Steve Scalise and the other 4 Republicans who were shot by a Bernie Boy yelling about healthcare, with a list of Republican targets, as Rand Paul is reminding us now that he's recovered from the broken ribs and several bouts of pneumonia given to him by a Democrat, could also offer an opinion on the state of political violence in the US. Only good sign there is that the government is appealing the judge's sentence of Paul's at home attacker of only 30 days, the Federal sentencing guidelines aren't hardly so forgiving.

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 21, 2018 3:26 PM  

When you consider that not every man should reproduce, and how we have not only had that sort of "every man gets a family" egalitarianism for the last 150 years, but also much mastery over disease and winter wolves for almost the same time, you realize that the problems today are based on this. The "Every Man a King" patriarchy that western civilization was built on post-renaissance was also the seed of its destruction. If you look back, when did these anti-civilizational ideologies come about? They came about at just around the same time.
But back then, it was minor: people were still smarter and healthier. So the one spinster sister wants womens' suffrage. So the bookworm cousin thinks we should be kinder to the poor. Etc.
Come to the present, not only is the leftist completely out of his mind, he even LOOKS the part. And all around you see obesity and cancer to go with the stupidity. This is deleterious genetics. The fat and stupid. And they vote.
Women, to their credit, have not defeated their hardwiring. But that failure to do so is based on their inability to recognize it. That hardwiring? It's to destroy civilizations where there is deleterious genetics running rampant. Everything a single post-modern basic bitch wants will destroy civilization and if you ask them why they want what they want you won't get an answer. They don't even know. What happens when women destroy civilization?
It's warlords and harems at that point. Now, let's compare: imagine the dumbest unhealthiest people you know reproducing. Compare that to the top alpha male who can defeat others in battle mating with the pretty girls.
Heck, let's go half way: imagine the most backstabbing, sociopathic, grifty people you know reproducing. Not good still?
Most men actually deserve to die as hapless cannon fodder without reproducing. What do soldiers do when they invade a populated area? They rape. Why? Go back in time and ask. You won't get any answers either. From a raping invading soldier to the women whose voting led to the entire mess you won't get any answer.
They don't know.
And you can tell by the looks on the faces of the women as they hold "Refugees Welcome" signs, in spite of refugees being rapists. The men around them are cucked to hell soyboys. That's your answer. The women all have that same look on their faces, like they were all running the same program.
So what's going to happen, MUST happen and because of the arc of it all, there is nothing that is going to make this peaceful and bloodless. There's more hardwiring afoot. We can blame jews all we want but it's not like these Grimma Wormtongues just started up a few years ago. How were civilizations even built in the first place then?
(pro tip: they usually do not start out with letting women vote and/or run things)
Indeed we can hope that those elderly we care for will pass on before the darkness. But children? Children are more adaptable to adversity than we give them credit for. Ask any GenXer who lived through the advent of no-fault divorce.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 3:27 PM  

@58

"As a Missourian I'm really not sure if we fit in there or not. And of course that was a bit of a mixed issue during the WONA."

1) In 1860, Missouri voted for Douglas(D, Illinois), who ran on a platform of keeping the union together, and continued slavery in the south, and each state should determine for itself the issue of slavery.

2) All of the Southern states except Tennessee voted for Breckenridge, who was Buchanan's VP (1857-1861). His platform was one of more federal intervention to protect slaveowner's interest in their property, and that slavery should be allowed in all U.S. territories that have not been admitted into the union as a State.

Tennessee, Virginia and Kentucky voted for John Bell of the Constitution Union party. The C.U. party was formed from remnants of the Whig Party, and the American Party (aka "know-nothings" who were anti-immigrant, anti-Catholic, and anti-black).

Blogger SciVo October 21, 2018 3:29 PM  

Chesapean wrote:End of empire is here. I don't know enough about history, political science or human natue to have good ideas what to do about it.

Well if you figure it out, don't tell anyone! I mean, some advice is safe to give; anything that would promote self-sufficiency and localism would tend to set its practitioners against the authoritarians and elitists.

But it's effectively impossible to openly plan anything requiring organized activity, because knowing it could change the opposition's preparations. Ditto for specific predictions; as with the financial markets, if the prediction is good then it won't come to pass, because the causal mechanisms would get arbitraged into non-existence by savvy players' advantage-seeking behavior.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 3:40 PM  

@58

"One thing's for sure: it's sure going to be interesting."

All wars are won and lost on logistics.

Amateurs talk about strategy and tactics.
Professionals talk about logistics.

The far left has absolutely NO logistics base.

They hate industrialists, and now they even hate factory workers. They love cottage (i.e. work at home piece-work) industries... Japan tried that in WW2, and you see where it got them.

The left especially hates (and more significantly, has ALWAYS hated) rural people in general, and farmers in particular.

A: ALL FOOD eaten in cities is shipped in from elsewhere. They produce none for themselves. The entire output of a "community garden" won't feed more than 1 or 2 street blocks of a neighborhood for ONE DAY. Family garden plots might feed a family for a couple of days. Now face it -- how many NON-WHITE urban people grow fruit/vegetable gardens in their backyards?

2: Of the electricity which is not produced in rural areas, the FUEL for those electricity plants does come from rural areas. Not a single city has a coal mine, and every nuclear power plant was deliberately cited at least one county away from all major urban centers. And there aren't any stupid wind farms in urban areas, either. Nor is there a single hydroelectric plant in an urban area.

With no electricity, water purification plants are down. As is all pumping of water into the piped water system. Water towers exist more for providing pressure in the system; they providing reserve holdings in the event of an outage lasting a couple of hours. Nothing more.

Similarly, all perishable food in the city goes bad within days, except for those who are smart enough to IMMEDIATELY start smoking all of the meat in their possession -- provided they have enough charcoal on hand.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 3:46 PM  

@63

"Memo to VOX: WHY do you use GOOGLE to host your blog? Google is evil, is in bed with evil, and seeks to destroy everything we hold dear. Why, why, why? There are other options. "

1: You think Vox doesn't know this?
2: You think Vox is too stupid to recognize the implications?
3: You think that even if Vox isn't too stupid to recognize the implications, he's too stupid to have a back-up plan ready to go at the flip of a switch?
4: And likewise, plans C, D, and E?

5: This has all been covered several times in the past. Vox is smarter than you. Use your enemy's resources (at his cost) for as long as you can -- that's foundation level guerilla warfare.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 21, 2018 4:01 PM  

@70

"The water "shortage" in California is largely self-inflicted, since they have unlimited access to the Pacific Ocean. The technology exists for using desalinated sea water and it has improved greatly since I was a boy. (I grew up in a port city on the East Coast that ONLY had access to desalinated sea water, because of the tides.) "

Desalinated seawater is only cheap on a ship, which has excess heat from the engines to be used for distilling saltwater into fresh water. For anybody else, it's ridiculously expensive (unless my hunch for a possible patent turns out to be correct).

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 21, 2018 4:03 PM  

Don't touch the poop, Dirk.

Blogger Ahärôwn October 21, 2018 4:53 PM  

The only way I can see a peaceful secession would be to throw state boundaries out and make the division on county or even precinct boundaries. California doesn't secede, it shatters.

Indeed - it federal/national borders are not sacrosanct, than neither are state/provincial/county boundaries. I'm reminded of the 1995 Quebec referendum, where the Native tribes in Quebec told the provincial government that in case of a Quebec separation, they would in turn separate from Quebec and rejoin Canada.

Canada is a Confederation with a very weak Federal Government.

Weaker than it's been, certainly. We started with a very strong federal government. However, unlike the US, we have a single national criminal code, so populated parts of the country can and do force certain laws on the rest of the country.

We do have the "not-withstanding" clause in our Charter, but in practice this only applies to Quebec.

On the other hand, if the country did break up, I doubt we would have a civil war to attempt to keep it together - Canadians aren't as zealous about such things, as in many ways we've always been a divided nation (French and English).

Blogger Don't Call Me Len October 21, 2018 5:07 PM  

Our best hope is that, 2024, Trump pulls a Caesar

Trump'll be 78 in 2024. Is that really our best hope?

they have unlimited access to the Pacific Ocean

In terms of energy, there's no way that seawater desalination is ever going to be anything but a minor ancillary source to a modern agricultural system.

Giving up ALL of our Pacific ports would be Treasonously stupid.

Yes, why exactly are so many people willing, even eager, to abandon the West Coast, leaving open to further invasions from broke-ass, broke-dick Mexico of all places?

Blogger James Dixon October 21, 2018 5:10 PM  

> The white race has proven time and time again that it does not have the moral stomach to commit the deeds it needs to commit to survive and thrive.

And it will continue to do so. Until suddenly it doesn't. And then there will be hell to pay.

Blogger John Calla October 21, 2018 5:24 PM  

@84 (A few dozen of whom are going to Fed Prison...)

You didn't hear? All the charges were dropped.

Blogger DonReynolds October 21, 2018 5:26 PM  

Up until the time of the civil war, there were no Americans. Everyone knew their country was their state. Robert E. Lee never called himself an American. He was a Virginian, just as Grant and Sherman thought of themselves as from Ohio. Lincoln was born in Kentucky, but thought of himself as from Illinois.

When the race terrorist, John Brown, and his cruel savages attacked the town of Harpers Ferry, murdered local citizens, and captured (briefly) the Federal Arsenal....he was tried for TREASON and hanged a month later. He was not tried by the Federal government or accused of TREASON against the United States. He was tried for TREASON against the Commonwealth of Virginia. Today, we would think it strange for a state to try a man for TREASON, but not at the time.

Blogger Mister Excitement October 21, 2018 5:53 PM  

@40

Ty for the great post.

Z Man talks about this split between the North and South that been going on since the English Civil War.

He calls it the Roundheads (New England Liberals) vs. the Cavaliers. Roundhead egalitarianism and culture have been dominating America and the West for a century.

Blogger Mister Excitement October 21, 2018 6:06 PM  

@44

I'm from the Martinsville area. NAFTA destroyed this area just like many others across small town America. It's slowly coming back, though.

We have a lot of Diversity here now. There are now Asians and Pakistanis that live here. Of course lots of Mexicans, too. Growing up in this area, it was inconceivable seeing foreigners like that in this rural area.

Blogger James Dixon October 21, 2018 6:38 PM  

> Growing up in this area, it was inconceivable seeing foreigners like that in this rural area.

Don't worry. It will be again.

Blogger Brett baker October 21, 2018 6:39 PM  

New Orleans, Savannah through the Panama Canal.
If we don't perform clearance ops in the northwest.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia October 21, 2018 6:41 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:@25
China has ONE aircraft carrier. Which means, that they really have NO aircraft carrier -- if it's on operations, then aircrew losses can't be replaced, because the only carrier for conducting pilot training (landing on a carrier in a fast-mover aircraft, even in the daytime, is no joke -- let alone at night in black-out conditions).

3) China has NO landing craft fleet.

IF China were to try such a stunt, the landing fleet and attendant support ships would be turned into new reefs within minutes. They don't have anything like Phalanx, which itself can be overwhelmed. And the US Navy has huge stockpiles of Air-to-Ship and Surface-to-Ship missiles on both coasts.


And it's a shitty carrier based on a Russian frame.

This inability to project power at a distance is why China is building islands. Fixed aircraft carriers.

And once they turn a vast swath of East Africa bankrupt, they will move in with airfields and other installations, creating a military presence over the Middle East and the Indian Ocean.

Their eyes are to the west, and south, not to the east.

Blogger Crew October 21, 2018 6:41 PM  

We now have approximately 12,000 invaders trekking across Mexico intending to enter the US.

Perhaps the cartels will get them, but who knows.

Blogger Brett baker October 21, 2018 6:45 PM  

New Orleans, Savannah through the Panama Canal.
If we don't perform clearance ops in the northwest.

Blogger Crew October 21, 2018 6:46 PM  

@92: And make a supply of these and spread them around on freeways entering and exiting the cities, so the ferals stay there!

https://www.americanpartisan.org/2018/10/how-to-make-caltrops/

Blogger Hammerli280 October 21, 2018 7:48 PM  

@105: I hate to break it to you, but the Chinese are fitting out a second carrier now...with a third on the building ways. The PLA Navy is very reminiscent of the High Seas Fleet before the First World War. They are building and learning fast.

Blogger Beau October 21, 2018 8:38 PM  

Heavenly Father,

Grant the President and his staff the wisdom and will to preserve our nation. Still Lord, our problems and predicament are deeper than can be solved in the Oval Office. Awaken Americans to danger on our doorstep, along with that already within our cities, institutions, and indeed – our hearts.

We have turned our back on you, Eternal Creator and Judge. Who can catalog our crimes and offenses against Heaven? We put man on the moon, now we put men in the girls bathroom. We now educate school children to embrace sexual perversion. We loudly extol our devotion to murdering the innocent in the womb. We have killed 53 million Americans on the altar of Choice. These will never see the light of day - we smile. We twist laws to punish the just and reward evil. Our War on Poverty has destroyed the dignity of work, the value of fathers and families, it has cast generations into a pit of dysfunction, dependency, deception and despair. Our No Fault divorce doctrine has made men victims of vicious decrees depriving them of the fruit of honest labor - domestic tranquility and the love and affirmation of those he has vowed to cherish, love and protect till death does he part. We smile at sodomites making mockery of holy matrimony. Our sins pile up to heaven, how can you not see our wickedness, our corruption? We deserve deepest divine punishment for our rejection of you and our subsequent headlong pursuit of evil. Yet Lord, what will your enemies say if America fails? They will mock, “He could not preserve them.” I ask your aid, not because we are good, but because You are. Deliver us from evil. Pour out on America and into American hearts a spirit of alarm, repentance and resolute righteousness. Turn us back to yourself so the nations may see you as trustworthy and worthy of all adoration. Give us now I ask discernment to pray, pouring out our hearts to You according to the promise you made to Solomon so long ago,

“If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” II Chronicles 7:14

Lord you saved England in their darkest hour when pastors called their nation to prayer when Hitler was on their doorstep. Save us now I ask as we turn to you in humble prayer and repentant action. I ask in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 21, 2018 9:12 PM  

Yet Lord, what will your enemies say if America fails? They will mock, “He could not preserve them.” I ask your aid, not because we are good, but because You are.

Ain't that the damn truth.

Blogger Unknown October 21, 2018 9:15 PM  

The right attitude is watching the left from heaven.

Blogger rumpole5 October 21, 2018 9:47 PM  

I don't see it. For my entire life (67) technology has delivered more and more with less and less input. Everything is cheaper in terms of work needed to earn the money to buy things. Crime rates are lower, the weather is better,everything is cleaner and better looking, and our main problem is that we eat too much. As long as one avoids the fewer and fewer places controlled by democrats, everything is better and better. I just don't get the doomsday blather. I think that a number of you Cassadra types need to study history and find that golden time that you all seem to think offered better conditions than exist right now. I assure you that a few soyboy types in black masks are not going to bring down anything. They and the rotting democrat cities and institutions they inhabit are becomming increasingly irrelevant to contemporary life.

Blogger Crew October 21, 2018 10:05 PM  

@109: The second carrier is essentially a copy of the first carrier.

It's the third that is bigger and better and seems likely to have catapults, perhaps even EMALS.

Blogger ZhukovG October 21, 2018 10:11 PM  

I doubt the Chinese have any illusions of using carriers against the United States Navy. The carriers they are building appear designed merely for keeping their future colonies in line.

If they have to fight the USN, it will likely be with much less expensive submarines and supersonic cruise missiles.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 21, 2018 11:26 PM  

rumpole5 wrote:For my entire life (67) technology has delivered more and more with less and less input.
And you and our fellow boomers, bankers and homosexuals are the tonly ones deriving benefits.
Jesus H. Christ. I am a Boomer, and sometimes I wonder at the demonic hatred of Boomers I see on this and other for a. And then some fucking worthless shit comes along and says, "Many of us are immensely rich, there's no fucking problem, grow up."
I mean, have you bothered to actually investigate what life is like for Millenials? I have kids that are trying to navigate a way in a world utterly destroyed by our generation. And all you can say is "I got mine."

Fuck you.

Blogger Disciple of Kek October 21, 2018 11:48 PM  

I am an American. I am a short-term pessimistic but a long-term optimist. Faith and truth will prevail.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey October 21, 2018 11:50 PM  

Mister Excitement wrote:@44

I'm from the Martinsville area. NAFTA destroyed this area just like many others across small town America. It's slowly coming back, though.

We have a lot of Diversity here now. There are now Asians and Pakistanis that live here. Of course lots of Mexicans, too. Growing up in this area, it was inconceivable seeing foreigners like that in this rural area.


Well if you are from the Martinsville area there's a very high chance we are cousins of some variety.

Yep, NAFTA was a nut crusher and, for Martinsville, stunningly just one of a perfect storm of fiascos -- ALL forced on us by our own government! They went to war against everything we had. NAFTA almost immediately shut down our textiles. The war on tobacco and free trade agreements for cheap Brazilian tobacco decimated on that front. China's most-favored-nation status allowed them to illegally gut our furniture manufacturing. Toss in the War on Coal shutting down our brothers to the west, and the ludicrous situation regarding the astonishing uranium find in Chatham, and it's just unbelievable.

Folks in my family who lived through the Great Depression have said that was nothing compared to this. And it only lasted 11 years anyways.

ALL of this stuff is self-inflicted on us by our so-called 'betters' among our fellow Americans!

Blogger Trinian October 22, 2018 12:42 AM  

DonReynolds wrote:When the race terrorist, John Brown, and his cruel savages attacked the town of Harpers Ferry, murdered local citizens, and captured (briefly) the Federal Arsenal....he was tried for TREASON and hanged a month later. He was not tried by the Federal government or accused of TREASON against the United States. He was tried for TREASON against the Commonwealth of Virginia. Today, we would think it strange for a state to try a man for TREASON, but not at the time.


I am not sure your example of John Brown shows what you want it to show. If Virginia took the concept of treason seriously, It would not have charged John Brown with treason. John Brown was from Ohio. As it was, it just seems like the prosecutors added the charge of treason to emphasize that they thought he was really evil. And of course to a slave holding society, attempting to incite a slave rebellion is almost as evil as succeeding in inciting a slave rebellion.

John Brown was guilty of murder and treason against the U. S. A. so I have no admiration or sympathy for him.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 22, 2018 1:16 AM  

Tony Blair did more damage to England than Adolf Hitler.

Get a grip

Blogger Dire Badger October 22, 2018 1:44 AM  

Thank you Snidely, took the 'Fuck You' right out of my mouth.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 22, 2018 2:06 AM  

You're welcome.

Blogger Станислав Бартошевич October 22, 2018 2:08 AM  

@92 "The far left has absolutely NO logistics base."

This sort of delusional thinking ensures victory of the Far Left if American Civil War is to break out in near future, with no miracle of the Army command suddenly siding with the Far Right, despite their faithful implementation of leftist politics so far, occurring. Here's a hint: difficulties that you describe were difficulties that Bolsheviks actually faced. Take a guess who won.

To win a civil war you need military organization, even having just a few thousands armed men sort of willing to follow orders when the enemy has none may give you a decisive success in early stages, political organization to take up functions of the old government and direct those armed men, and a proper combination of ideology and ethnic self-interest to motivate both. If you use those to secure main population centers, you've won (barring a foreign intervention massive enough to overshadow native forces). These centers will starve? All the more motivation for the people to enlist in the Red Army and go conquering the countryside to plunder its resources. These people will be shit soldiers? Doesn't matter when overwhelming numbers with artillery, mortars and even chemical weapons, are brought against each individual unit of rural militia armed with only personal firearms. Actually, given the number of innawoods/my home my fortress individual survivalists among the Right that I observe on the net, I'm not sure if they will even be able to form militias reliably.

Blogger rumpole5 October 22, 2018 5:18 AM  

Re: "Fuck you Boomer". This generational blame approach solves nothing. Boomers are largely irrelevant to our present issues, and in fact since Reagan appeared on the scene, the red pill Boomer voting block has been the most sane. Trump is the last gift that this voting block can or will give to the younger American generations. Time to stop the blame game, stop whining, get the tatoos erased, tuck in your shirts, get your spiritual head on straight, dump the hedonism, and - grow up -. Your problem is 50 something leftist, Globalist traitors. It is not spoiled, vain 70 year old Boomers in RVs. We're sorry that your mommy didn't hug you enough, but just GROW UP!

My point is the we have technology that can change everything for the better. Why do you think the PTB are going CRAZY? Communication tech alone (this blog, for instance) makes it impossible for them to control a narrative, and they know it. New tech makes it possible to solve almost any physical problem humans face, from energy, food, water, shelter, and so on. If you actually check the stats, the lot of the average person, world wide, is better than at any pount in history. Spiritual and cultural decline may kill us all in the end, but we live in an era of such tech produced physical abundance, I don't see the doom day scenario posed above actually coming to pass.

Blogger Lurker October 22, 2018 5:33 AM  

"Here's a hint: difficulties that you describe were difficulties that Bolsheviks actually faced. Take a guess who won."

True. The ****hevicks had it easy if you look into it, saying it was a coup still doesn't do justice to how easy they had it when they seized the the levers of power in Russia back in the day. But the results were astounding from such weak logistics, few numbers, mixed with alot of audacity when seizing power ie,,, later millions of piles of skulls.

So your caution is duly noted, don't underestimate the enemy (The left), good advice, but let me add their big mistake is thinking the United States would go down like Russia in the 20th Century or is Europe 2.0. America was and is and never will be like that, WRONG continent to try and run that shit. That's why Vox is in Italy as an American he knows what's up. When the time come we WILL TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS.

Blogger Random #57 October 22, 2018 7:07 AM  

@118 The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey:

ALL of this stuff is self-inflicted on us by our so-called 'betters' among our fellow Americans!

Except of course that our so called betters don't consider themselves to be our fellow Americans. Read any of the essays Angelo Codevilla has been penning since he started with the 2010 America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution. The latest as brought to our attention by @5 Gettimothy is Our Revolution’s Logic, bringing us up to date to the period just before the coming election.

Blogger Random #57 October 22, 2018 7:19 AM  

@123 Станислав Бартошевич

If things get as bad as the scenario you're outlining, logistics will still matter because the big difference between the Russian urban centers of 1917 and today's in the US is their fragility. You're ignoring the general point that @92 Dirk Manly is making, especially the second one, who long can they and the people in them last if their electricity is semi-permanently shut off, which is very easy to do by destroying critical transformers, of which there are too many to easily guard? What happens if the gas pipelines to their cities are shut down or sabotaged during winter?

Of course all these dire possibilities make the food situation easier, and the Blue cities tend to either be on coasts or near farming regions. But the manpower equation will get radically altered in such a vicious civil war, enough that it will be a lot harder for them to win. And each sides cohesion will be sorely tested, the multicultural Blue Team? I'm not betting on their sticking together well, or forming their own effective military. More likely key will be which way our existing military units align themselves, including the ones that will be recalled from our vast empire.

Blogger James Dixon October 22, 2018 7:59 AM  

> I am a Boomer, and sometimes I wonder at the demonic hatred of Boomers I see on this and other for a. And then some fucking worthless shit comes along and says, "Many of us are immensely rich, there's no fucking problem, grow up."

It never fails, does it?

> Re: "Fuck you Boomer". This generational blame approach solves nothing.

Like I said, it never fails. Did you miss the line where he said he was a boomer?

> ...but we live in an era of such tech produced physical abundance, I don't see the doom day scenario posed above actually coming to pass.

Tech doesn't solve every problem, though it can make finding solutions easier. In particular the biological problems of famine and disease remain.

Blogger rumpole5 October 22, 2018 8:34 AM  

Re: "Tech doesn't solve every problem." No, but it does solve the physical ones, and it changes everything else. From Worldhunger.org:

The world produces enough food to feed everyone. For the world as a whole, per capita caloric availability and food diversity (the variety of food groups in a diet) have increased between the 1960s and 2011 (FAO, 2017). This growth in food availability, along with improved access to food, helped reduce the percentage of chronically undernourished people in lower-middle-income countries from about 30 percent in the 1990-92 to about 13 percent two decades later (FAO, 2017).

This from a site that probably tends to exagerate the problem of hunger.

The reason that we appear to be entering a period of internal strife is this: The Guttenberg effect of the internet gives a voice to folks like Mr. Voxday, Mark Dice, Black Pigeon, Jared Taylor, Paul Joseph Watson, and the like, and ordinary people are becoming red pilled by truth. The globalist bastards who have been screwing us since 1970 have lost control. Brexit, Trump, the Alternative for Germany are a result. Stop wasting your time in the graveyard peeing on Boomer graves, however well deserved that may be, and go after the traitorous globalist bastards of all generations who are the real problem.


Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 22, 2018 9:00 AM  

In the absense of Jack Ward, I stand with Snidely.

I was old enough to watch the boomers eagerly front-run everything, too young to get in on the action. I remember what we lost, and who destroyed it. Boomers got rich, we got orc-infested wastelands.

Fuck you, boomers.

Blogger Tom Rogers October 22, 2018 9:57 AM  

@10

Agreed that the United States was meta-ethnic, but I would also say that it was established as a federation of British ethnicities specifically - mainly people from the Scottish Borders, Ulster, the English Midlands and south-west, Yorkshire, and the north-east - plus some German and Dutch settlers. The USA was an arrangement for peoples of British heritage, albeit separated from the Crown.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 22, 2018 11:23 AM  

@Rumpole, my sons don't live in "the whokevworld." They live in America. I don't care how much better things are for coolie labor in coastal China. I care what the world will be for my grandchildren. You obviously don't.

You somehow seem to think that lack of caloric intake is what causes civilizational collapse and civil war. We are leaving them a world that will burn to ash in a conflagration of blood and anarchy, but that's fine by you because you've got yoyr facebook or some shit.
KYS

Blogger Dirk Manly October 22, 2018 12:19 PM  

@109

"The PLA Navy is very reminiscent of the High Seas Fleet before the First World War. They are building and learning fast."

Wasn't the remnants of that fleet scuttled by their crews in Scapa Flow. And didn't it remain in port for the entire rest of the war DESPITE WINNING AT JUTLAND.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 22, 2018 12:26 PM  

@124

"Re: "Fuck you Boomer". This generational blame approach solves nothing. Boomers are largely irrelevant to our present issues, and in fact since Reagan appeared on the scene, the red pill Boomer voting block has been the most sane. Trump is the last gift that this voting block can or will give to the younger American generations. Time to stop the blame game, stop whining, get the tatoos erased, tuck in your shirts, get your spiritual head on straight, dump the hedonism, and - grow up -. Your problem is 50 something leftist, Globalist traitors. It is not spoiled, vain 70 year old Boomers in RVs. We're sorry that your mommy didn't hug you enough, but just GROW UP!"

From the time I was in college, I've been wanting to reverse the idiocy of the Boomer generation. And every year, you guys add more to be corrected.

AND refuse to retire so that ANYBODY can fix all the stuff your generation has not merely broken, but destroyed the factories where they were made, and burned the blueprints.

There's no place in Hell hot enough for the "Me Generation."

Blogger Dirk Manly October 22, 2018 12:54 PM  

@129


" The globalist bastards who have been screwing us since 1970 have lost control. Brexit, Trump, the Alternative for Germany are a result. Stop wasting your time in the graveyard peeing on Boomer graves, however well deserved that may be, and go after the traitorous globalist bastards of all generations who are the real problem."

You seem to be forgetting that the overwhelming majority of people screwing us are, and have been for several decades, Boomers. "We're going to change the world!!!" Boomers.... now "WE CHANGED THE WORLD" Boomers.... and yet, you all are dismayed that we recognize that you accomplished what you proclaimed what you would do.

FUCK YOU.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 22, 2018 1:44 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:This generational blame approach solves nothing. ... Trump is the last gift that this voting block can or will give to the younger American generations.

Mostly true. Trump is great, the best president in my lifetime. That's not saying much. Trumpis a great break from the recent past, but he is far too little, far too late, far too civnat.

As I said, I watched the boomers moving ahead of me like a cloud of locusts, eating all the sustenance and leaving only desolation for those of us who followed. They went through the open doors and slammed them closed behind them.

Saying ``fuck the boomers'' solves nothing, but it still needs to be said.

Blogger SirHamster October 22, 2018 2:53 PM  

rumpole5 wrote:Boomers are largely irrelevant to our present issues, and in fact since Reagan appeared on the scene, the red pill Boomer voting block has been the most sane.

rumpole5 wrote:Time to stop the blame game, stop whining, get the tatoos erased, tuck in your shirts, get your spiritual head on straight, dump the hedonism, and - grow up -.

"It's not us boomer's fault"

"We're the most sane, do what I tell you"


Make up your fucking mind - do you want to OWN SHIT and give directions, or disclaim responsibility?

You can't do both, fucking boomer.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 22, 2018 5:55 PM  

@136

"Dirk Manly wrote:
This generational blame approach solves nothing. "

I didn't write that. Please get your attributions straight. I QUOTED that from an earlier comment.

Blogger Nobody of Consequence October 23, 2018 11:46 AM  

@10, DJT:

The Constitution did not sow seeds of destruction. It is excellent. Corrupted individuals who twisted of the words,i.e. the SC, destroyed the US. An ignorant populace who did not understand that ONLY enumerated, EXPLICITLY LISTED powers were granted brought destruction. The 25 or so powers granted included only 6 police powers. The US fell because of S2pid people who don't understand that EVERYTHING not enumerated is not granted. People who don't or won't understand that the Constitution is a white list NOT a black list.

Today, the feds have ONLY 7 police powers, everything else is a lie and unconstitutional. The feds cannot police/punish tax evasion, or commerce violations, or murder, or anything other than counterfeiting, piracy and felonies ON THE HIGH SEAS, offenses against the law of nations, securing copyright/patent, treason, and lastly involuntary servitude. Not understanding the limitations is the problem and since the governments control the education system, the lie are perpetrated and permeate our society and the freaking s2pid people lemming along.

Ignorance, the most destructive of diseases is rampant on both sides of the aisle. The 7 deadly sins are alive and well in our politicians, and among the unGodly people.

In my world, nonbelievers have no Rights.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 23, 2018 9:58 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:I didn't write that. Please get your attributions straight. I QUOTED that from an earlier comment.

Oops, sorry.

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