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Saturday, October 20, 2018

They moved in place

The civic nationalists just don't realize it yet.
That’s an important thing our side needs to grasp. For most white people, individualism, civic nationalist, anti-racism and so forth are what define their life as a citizen. To abandon those things would be the same as moving to another country. People do walk away from the friends and family to start new lives. Many of the people reading this have ancestors they knew, who left the old familiar to become Americans. For most Americans, though, this is the destination, so leaving it is like abandoning the point of their life.

The reality is, America is going to be a majority- minority country, at least while it remains a country. There is no changing that demographic reality. Robert Stacy McCain is right about “summoning men of goodwill to our banner.” We will need numbers to contend with the rising brown tide that threatens the West. It’s the “goodwill” part that our side must always keep in mind. Converting these normies is about convincing them that rooting for your own team is the moral thing to do, the thing men of goodwill do. That’s our challenge.
Key phrase: "while it remains a country". It won't. It can't. The empire is already observably in decline and unsustainable. The USA can no longer be considered a nation-state because the state is no longer synonymous with the nation.

The lies will not hold. They never do over time. All the nonsense about "men of goodwill" and "patriots bleed red" and "creedal nations" will no longer be believed by anyone, anywhere. It's already rejected by anyone of significant intelligence who is paying attention. So, signal your virtue all you like, proclaim the "Brotherhood of Man" to your heart's content, avert your eyes from the terrible reality if you must, but none of it will make any difference to those to whom you are so desperately signaling when the Red Horse rides.

The challenge posed by Zman isn't wrong, it's just irrelevant. It won't be too much longer before the ships are sunk and the caravans are strafed, because mass immigration is invasion.

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79 Comments:

Blogger McChuck October 20, 2018 8:19 AM  

The only way for America to remain a coherent country is for it to become a coherent nation. The only way for it to become a coherent nation is through rivers of blood and tears.

It would be better for it to be their blood. Their tears. Not ours. The future belongs to those who show up.

Demography is destiny.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 20, 2018 8:29 AM  

I didn't know what to make of that piece, till I read the comments, typical conservative rationalization of the legitimacy of the people who hate you and expect to rule over you without challenge.

If I had a real copper penny for every time a conservative intellectual turned right and lectured the rest of us rubes about principles I could retire in style. And if I had a real copper penny for every conservative intellectual who refused to lecture to his left I could buy the USA outright.

TLDR; conservatism is a joke

Blogger Cecil Henry October 20, 2018 8:40 AM  

Merkel ACCELERATES the Kalergi Plan in Europe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBn1xi-hHpg




And in a related note:


(((Every. Single. Time.)))

Only Whites should be manipulated through dating apps “algorithms” to embrace diversity.



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Blogger Johnny October 20, 2018 8:41 AM  

The core problem these people have is that they use their sense of moral purpose to unilaterally declare a relationship. Even as they declare equality, implicitly they assume they are in charge. We cannot unite with the 'brown' people unless the brown people want to unite with us, and most of them are not all that interested.

The other thing is that moral suasion only works in the short run. In the long run behavior has to be rewarded. For now, we are holding our multi-ethnic, multi-culture, one world humanity together at our own expense. As the cost goes up people will tire of being "men of goodwill."

Blogger Doug Walker October 20, 2018 8:48 AM  

VD, at the risk of incurring your wrath because, first, I must've missed it, and two, you've got a lot on your plate, could I ask you to cut-and-paste, at some point, a sort of glossary of the different camps? When I discuss this stuff with friends who vaguely agree with me but aren't overly political, it would help me make my case. I know you've done a post or three on this previously. If one of the sidebar links covers it, just let me know.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 20, 2018 8:52 AM  

It’s a lot worse than that, Johnny.

When you reward violence and criminality, and punish peaceful coexistence by insisting on equality, then you finally persuade the majority that violence is the only route to peace or prosperity.

At that point it becomes a simple contest of destructive capacities, and on that score the white European is without peer.

The current crusade against the white man is a classic conflict of time preferences; waged by people willing to sacrifice eternity to have the smallest satisfaction now.

They will all drown in rivers of blood.

Blogger Stilicho October 20, 2018 8:58 AM  

To The Political Virgins To Make Much Of Time:

Signal your virtue while you
Old Time is still a flying
The false virtue that you signal today
Tomorrow will be a dying

That glorious prose, the Constitution
The older it's a getting
And soon it's work will be undone
By foreign hordes ye are abetting

That nation is best which is but one
Where kith and kin are dearer
Wonder not then where it's gone
As the reckoning draws nearer

Then be not coy but use your time
And while ye may get ready
For having lost but once your prime
Keep your aim true and steady.

Blogger Lovekraft October 20, 2018 8:59 AM  

In this progressive dystopia called the west, there are various 'sacred tenets' the left has a lock on (but is under assault by the forces of reality and truth).

One of these main pillars is the media - it is still protected from libel and slander suits and the public deep down feels the media class are somehow sacred. Nope.

The list goes on. When the left sheds this and develops the trait of skepticism will be a good day. We need to just put the onus on moderates to defend their holding of them in such high regard.

Blogger Cecil Henry October 20, 2018 8:59 AM  

@4 We DO NOT want to 'unite with brown people'


That is exactly the point. We want freedom and separation and the right to be who we wish.

That is precisely what anti-Whites do not want to allow.

Blogger TM Lutas October 20, 2018 9:04 AM  

The question of *when* things go wrong is probably the weakest area of the right. Predictions of doom yielding broad agreement on what is going to happen yield no such consensus on timing and pacing.

Churchill predicted (broadly) that the UK would lose its freedom under socialism in the 1940s election he lost following WW II. It wasn't until the 1970s that Arthur Scargill was seriously proposing exit visas to stop the brain drain, fulfilling Churchill's prediction.

Blogger Johnny October 20, 2018 9:08 AM  

>>@4 We DO NOT want to 'unite with brown people'

You may not I was speaking of him and his ilk ("these people"), not everybody else.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 20, 2018 9:09 AM  

"Converting these normies is about convincing them that rooting for your own team is the moral thing to do, the thing men of goodwill do. That’s our challenge."

Welcome, fellow racists.

This statement is the cognitive linchpin of truth here. Bludgeon them mercilessly with their own statement.

"The list goes on. When the left sheds this and develops the trait of skepticism will be a good day."

That'll never happen. Some few of the planners could possibly be converted if they weren't in love with evil. Most of the useful idiot footsoldiers will never change. The best case scenario for them is that we control them as footsoldiers rather than the enemy, but we need rhetorical dominance to do so, because rhetoric is the only language most of these footsoldiers will ever be capable of speaking.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 20, 2018 9:20 AM  

Cecil Henry wrote:@4 We DO NOT want to 'unite with brown people'

That is exactly the point. We want freedom and separation and the right to be who we wish.


The browns don't want to unite with Whites, either. They just want the wealth and plumbing that we mysteriously have.

Blogger Peaceful Poster October 20, 2018 9:22 AM  

Cecil Henry - We want freedom and separation and the right to be who we wish.

Word.

Blogger Mister Excitement October 20, 2018 9:32 AM  

@4 "The core problem these people have is that they use their sense of moral purpose to unilaterally declare a relationship. "


Great point, and one that Vox has repeatedly made.


"It doesn't matter what YOU think, what matters is what THEY think"


It's amazing that normie whites are still worried about racism against Blacks and haven't noticed the past few decades that Blacks give zero Fs about their own racism.

They haven't picked up on the face that "racism" is a weapon used against white people and white people ONLY.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 20, 2018 10:12 AM  

Sad that this level of myopia and blindness is standard human behavior, whether the 6th century or today.

Blogger pyrrhus October 20, 2018 10:16 AM  

Zman seems to flip flop back and forth between alt-right and civ-nat....My opinion is that people will tend to stick to civ-nat orthodoxy as long as they have a decent job and aren't being swarmed by the diversity. That's a diminishing number of Americans of all ethnicities.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 20, 2018 10:18 AM  

Civic Nationalists are the Odyssean Lotus Eaters. They will go back to it, at any opportunity.

Blogger Charles Carlson October 20, 2018 10:24 AM  

Why do civ nats say things like "color doesn't matter. Ideology does." When Ideology and race have been shown to be intrinsically linked?

Blogger Mister Excitement October 20, 2018 10:33 AM  

@17 "Zman seems to flip flop back and forth between alt-right and civ-nat"


ZMan has never said anything that would indicate he has a drop of Civ Nat in him. He's even said many times he has no tolerance at all for the Civ Nats and Conservatives. He's as Dissident Right as it gets.

Blogger Robert October 20, 2018 10:35 AM  

Just yesterday I learned that Lou Dobbs was not on my side. I have watched him every day for a couple of years now and always thought he must be for the real America and against destroying its traditional civilization. But he said something about how we have to get all people who "think like Americans" to realize that we mean them well and they should join us, no matter their color, creed or predispositions.
At that moment I realized Lou did not get it, did not understand the reality of cultural identity.

The other thing about Lou is that he seems increasingly frustrated these days, about illegal immigration, violence by Democrats and the idiocy of RINOs and the "Koch Brothers, K-Street, Wall Street and the Chamber of Commerce." But he still thinks it will all come out fine if we can convince our enemies that we can all think alike.

I don't think it will be long before he realizes that the "radical right wing" that horrify him has it right. I hope it's not too late for him.

Blogger VD October 20, 2018 10:39 AM  

At the end of the day, anyone who is horrified by the truth and refuses to accept it on that basis is not and cannot be on our side.

Whether they are shameless or reluctant adherents of the Lie is ultimately irrelevant. They have bowed the knee to Evil and they serve it.

Blogger Cloom Glue October 20, 2018 10:40 AM  

I have a brown friend who says her own people cannot run a country and they do not trust each other and white Christians are better and more trustworthy and will be fair.

I was saying her people could have made a success of it, if black people were separate and not so numerous in her old country and maybe her children will want to re-immigrate when the war or civil strife or economic downturn occurs. She said no, "they are better off in a western country". I was surprised she thinks her own people are not good enough to be different-civilization.

She will follow white Christian people wherever they go, even after she and her children vote left, break western civilization, install her own to power; eg. her family member is a mayor of a town in Britain.

It never occurred to her we will have to stop her or it ends our civilization. I was saying we are dying and she said it is not her problem at her age. What about her grandchildren? (No reply). I was confounded by her conscious knowledge of the parasitic effects and the indifference. They want us and they don't want us.

Blogger Evan Hartshorn October 20, 2018 10:46 AM  

Why do civ nats say things like "color doesn't matter. Ideology does." When Ideology and race have been shown to be intrinsically linked?

Because it's true in principle and false in practice.

Because the next door brown neighbor who is "more American than Americans" really does exist. Sure, he's a statistical anomaly. Sure, his children will exhibit regression to the mean. But those data points don't emotionally register. His existence does.

And it would be genuinely evil to send him back. The evil that arises if you don't may be worse by orders of magnitude. But it doesn't emotionally register either.

Blogger VD October 20, 2018 10:49 AM  

And it would be genuinely evil to send him back.

No, it would not. There would literally be nothing evil about it at all, unless he was not compensated for any property that was necessarily seized.

Blogger Crush Limbraw October 20, 2018 10:59 AM  

Doug Walker - you can educate yourself on this or other topics at my library - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/?m=0 - articles collected over 3+ years, with a heavy dose of Vox Day - arranged by subject and word searchable.
Try 'migration war' - you'll be reading for days.

Blogger pyrrhus October 20, 2018 11:15 AM  

ZMan has never said anything that would indicate he has a drop of Civ Nat in him. He's even said many times he has no tolerance at all for the Civ Nats and Conservatives. He's as Dissident Right as it gets.

There's no point in quarreling about this, and Zman is a valuable ally, but only a year or two back he wrote columns bashing the alt right, and the piece cited here is certainly leaning civ-nat.

Blogger pyrrhus October 20, 2018 11:18 AM  

"Why do civ nats say things like "color doesn't matter. Ideology does." When Ideology and race have been shown to be intrinsically linked?"

Self deception and wishful thinking. As Richard Feynman said, "you are the easiest one to deceive."

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey October 20, 2018 11:27 AM  

Robert wrote:At that moment I realized Lou did not get it, did not understand the reality of cultural identity.

You can the same about most Americans. You can see civnattery in the God Emperor if you look. Civnattery has been pounded into us all our lives, declared as a defining ethos of Americanism. Especially for elder men and women, it is difficult to arrive at the realization that we've been sold a bill of goods. It's all a mirage.

There's a process to it. It takes a little time. Some will never fully arrive at the end destination fully, I would expect the older Americans will have the hardest time of it. If things snap, reality will hit them in the back of the head like a 2x4, but until then a lot of Americans are going to be struggling with this civnattery BS.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 20, 2018 11:30 AM  

It's the Matrix all over again

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 20, 2018 11:41 AM  

"Because the next door brown neighbor who is "more American than Americans" really does exist."

See, this is the difference between specific and general thinking. At larger scales of organization, thinking in specifics will lead you to screw up eventually, every single time.

It doesn't matter even if there is one somewhere (and honestly, there isn't even one in the USA, because if he were "more American than American" in ideology he'd realize that his background and genetics don't belong here and are either harming the place or necessarily will harm the place, and he'd self-deport), because, politically speaking, you don't make decisions based on specific cases, you make them based on the general situation.

If you don't see how his presence necessarily harms the USA, realize that not all people are capable of thinking in generalities, and his very presence will cause many of those people to push for evil political modes which will allow all of the complete un-Americans in.

Stupid people can't have some things, because they're stupid people. People who are responsible for stupid people must preemptively assure that they don't ever get hold of things that will destroy them.

TL;DR: A lot of people can't deal with exceptions to rules, so you don't let them play favorites. "They have to go back" means that they all have to go back.

Blogger Doug Walker October 20, 2018 11:45 AM  

@Crush Limbraw

Thanks so much!

Blogger Dirk Manly October 20, 2018 11:55 AM  

@13

"The browns don't want to unite with Whites, either. They just want the wealth and plumbing that we mysteriously have. "


Magic, self-manufactured pipes.

Blogger Up from the pond October 20, 2018 12:04 PM  

If we can pump more money into the economy, or build it up with free enterprise methods, better trade deals etc, then everybody will be happy and the whole thing will work! They will be "too busy to hate," the old slogan of safe, prosperous, desirable Atlanta, Georgia! (Uhh, well maybe that's not the best example.) Relative poverty is the cause of system breakdown! We learned that from the experience of Hitler: German Deflation caused Hitler! (Uhh, well maybe that's not the best example, since the German economy in 1933 had rebounded a lot.)

I'm telling you, putting money in people's pockets will make the system work! No, I am not an LBJ Democrat-I'm a typical Republican! I believe money is the basis of society. No, I am not a Marxist-I have Adam Smith on my bookshelf!

The system is not working only because people aren't fat and happy enough! That's why those darn Nazis are marching! If only we could give the Nazis millions of dollars, then they would be happy, the system would work!

Hey, that's my new slogan! "If everybody is working, then everything will work!" The races will get along, the lion will lie down with the lamb, trannies will teach our kids how to build a stock portfolio, if we can just get people to stop being so dark lazy and get a job! It can still work, I tells ya! It can still work!!

Blogger Dirk Manly October 20, 2018 12:07 PM  

@34

"German Deflation caused Hitler!"

Deflation?

There was no deflation during the Weimar Republic.

Quite the opposite -- it had the worst hyperinflation the world has ever seen. Not even Venezuela comes close.

Blogger pyrrhus October 20, 2018 12:14 PM  

Trump always sounds like a civ-nat because that is the politically astute posture at this moment in time...As things change, his public posture will change..Never forget that Trump is a politician, and a good one...

Blogger Up from the pond October 20, 2018 12:20 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:Deflation?

There was no deflation during the Weimar Republic.

Quite the opposite


Mr. Manley, I warn you, you are dealing with a highly educated economical scientist who has Adam Smith on his bookshelf. Deflation, hyperinflation - how does your comment help put more money into non-white hands, where it's needed to ensure the survival of our big beautiful country?

[Speaking seriously now, thanks for the correction. I was doing a dumb parody thing.]

Blogger Mr Darcy October 20, 2018 12:33 PM  

@7 Stilicho Herrick:

Beyond excellent! Brilliant.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz October 20, 2018 12:45 PM  

Equality is always framed as "access to white people!" Access to our country, our people, our kids and our money.

They think that granting this access will magically turn the foreigner into a white person. If they could just go to school with us, then they would be white. If they could just live amongst us and go to school with us, then they would be just like us!

No amount of it not working will dissuade their delusions.

Blogger BillD October 20, 2018 12:52 PM  

When I was in high school back in the early 1960s, it occurred to me that the USSR would eventually break up because it was an artificial construct and nationalism seemed to be such a powerful human trait. Despite that, I believed in America as the great melting pot. Anyone who wanted to be American could become one. As pointed out above, that may be true in individual cases, but I see now that in the aggregate, the melting pot never really worked. As the melt cools, its constituents are separating themselves out and crystalizing into competing and increasingly hostile interest groups. The internet has merely accelerated the process.

Blogger Cecil Henry October 20, 2018 12:52 PM  

@39:


Destroying White civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call minorities.


YOu can't do it without access first.



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Blogger Roddie Piper October 20, 2018 12:58 PM  

Dark-skinned hominids are destroying our civilization but dogs live peacefully among us. I suppose that's because dogs do not fancy themselves equal or superior to humans, each dog is the property of an individual person who is liable for its good behavior, feral dogs can be shot on sight, and the few humans who mate with dogs do not spawn hybrids that blur the line between dog and man.

In past centuries it was observed that Negroes are the only race of wild hominids that can be easily domesticated and put to useful work as house servants and field hands, as if they were made for that purpose.

We joke that white South Africans would rather be murdered in their beds than have to make them. Are they really that lazy, or do they love their black servants who beg them not to leave? I know many people who would not board a lifeboat if they had to leave their dog behind on a sinking ship.

Blogger Up from the pond October 20, 2018 1:13 PM  

Tars Tarkusz wrote:They think that granting this access will magically turn the foreigner into a white person.

Having more money in their pockets, favorable home loans, etc will not only change them on the inside and make them vote Republican. It will also turn their skin literally white.

Ridiculous? Then how do you explain Michael Jackson?

The only problem is if we run out of money. Doesn't matter if we run out of white people. The solution to both situations is continued credit expansion. Or its opposite.

The absolute state of conservatism.

Blogger Otto Lamp October 20, 2018 1:15 PM  

The Left is anti-male. It is also anti-white.

Feeding the crocodile in hopes it eats you last has a fatal flaw: the crocodile is going to eat you.

If you are a man of color (black, brown, red, yellow, whatever) and think you are safe from the Left, think again.

The same goes for gay men and white women.

The cardinal sins of the Left are maleness and whiteness. No amount of supplicating to the Left will ever wash those sins away in their eyes. Eventually, you are going to be eaten.

Blogger Dangeresque October 20, 2018 1:22 PM  

"It won't be too much longer before the ships are sunk and the caravans are strafed"

Where do I sign up?

Blogger John October 20, 2018 1:56 PM  

@24 Evan:

Wrong. Color DOES matter in principle, just as much as ideology. To deny this is to deny the nation: the nation matters in principle. It is to insult and assault the next generation (your own children and grandchildren): we matter in principle.

The traitorous white Christian conservatives who deny the nation are EXACTLY the same as the atheists who build on the shoulders of the very Christian giants they reject. In fact, they are worse, because antinationality is even more dyscivic than antichristianity.

And it would be genuinely evil to send him back.

Lol. What makes you say that, cuckservative? Sending him back is no more evil than evicting an unwanted tenant. This is our land. Vox talks about compensating him for his property. That presumes we accept the property is illegitimately his and that he added any real value to it. "Owning" property based on debt and financing doesn't count.

See, my dear white Christian conservative, this is the problem when you invent insane rules of immigration, naturalization, and citizenship. When it comes time for us to clean up your mess, your rules go with them. Why should Fake Americans be entitled to "just compensation" for seized property when their acquisition of that property was based on illegitimate terms? Were Nazi occupiers in France "entitled" to "just compensation" for "their" property?

You better hope it's Gen X who sends them back. Because I fail to see why we should have to compensate them for anything. You came in with nothing, you leave with nothing. If we pay them to leave, it's not because we are obligated to. It's because we'll have judged that to be cheaper than the alternative.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz October 20, 2018 2:18 PM  

John wrote:Wrong. Color DOES matter in principle, just as much as ideology. To deny this is to deny the nation: the nation matters in principle.
Color is a distraction that is mostly meaningless and you shouldn't let them frame it primarily as a color issue.
Color is just a stand-in for what we really mean which is recent ancestry. Color is just a superficial market of recent ancestry.
@43
"The solution to both situations is continued credit expansion."

This is going to be the case for a long time. People have been predicting all sorts of problems from printing money that really don't arise.

There is enormous inertia built in this system and it is far more resilient than people believe. They will also change the rules to their benefit.
We are far more reliant on very complex systems than at any time in the past. How resilient these complex systems are is the only real question.

Blogger RobertT October 20, 2018 2:18 PM  

This would not be a bad time to start strafing. One way or the other, the current caravan is going to require extremely aggressive force. If Trump let's another one come in, along with failing to provide the truth to the American people by removing redaction, he can forget a Red Wave.

Blogger Mark Stoval October 20, 2018 2:38 PM  

"There are great pivot points in history, and we’ve arrived at one. The United States, ruptured by a thousand grievance groups, torn by shadowy agencies drunk on a gross excess of power, robbed blind by oligarchs and their treasonous henchmen and decimated by frivolous wars of choice, has finally come to a point where the end begins in earnest. The center isn’t holding… indeed, finding a center is no longer even conceivable. We are the schizophrenic nation, bound by no societal norms, constrained by no religion, with no shared sense of history, myth, language, art, philosophy, music, or culture, rushing toward an uncertain future fueled by nothing more than easy money, hubris, and sheer momentum." ~ John Freeman

A nation is a people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, religion, and history. The USA is obviously not "one nation under God" now if it ever was.

There is no way to save the US Empire and I claim that saving it would be undesirable if by saving it you mean keeping it as it is today. We need to separate into nations. We need to send the non-whites away to someplace else at the very least.

Blogger Avalanche October 20, 2018 2:48 PM  

@15 "They haven't picked up on the face that "racism" is a weapon used against white people and white people ONLY."

Oh, but many of them HAVE -- and they've been taught that it serves them (us!) right for our "innate evil" and cruelty to all these not-us. I don't know how to get them to see that we are less violent, less oppressive, less slave-holding, less-genociding than our enemies (who are their enemies too, whom they profess to love but won't live near)!

They have been propagandized into, and thus, believe that it's appropriate for blacks to wish to kill all whipeepo cause we dun been evil; and that "moslems ONLY want to cut our heads off and rape our children because WE have done such evilterriblebad things" (like drop a ham sandwich outside a mosque) -- so we deserve it; it's not racism; it's payback-- and if only we were NOT so horriblevilracisssss, why the whole WORLD would have indoor plumbing and act like good Christian men!

or not.

Blogger Eric Waite October 20, 2018 2:48 PM  

"Patriots bleed red"? Does anyone even use that? Cowards, liars and traiters bleed red too. So do game animals and livestock.

Blogger Avalanche October 20, 2018 2:54 PM  

@23 "I was confounded by her conscious knowledge of the parasitic effects and the indifference. They want us and they don't want us."

Salutary lesson for you in the operating parameters of parasites: the HOST is 100% irrelevant; the 'host' is a substrate Do you ever think about the boards you walk on in your house? The tree that died so you could have a clean level floor? WHY would these *users* ever think further than that WE are the trees to be turned or, more accurately, that have turned ourselves into their filthy, crap-strewn floors?!

Also, you phrased that last sentence wrong: they VERY MUCH want what we make, build, clean, and provide -- they very much do not want US!

Blogger DJT October 20, 2018 2:54 PM  

Why do civ nats say things like "color doesn't matter. Ideology does."

If being an American is about accepting an ideology (as civnats say), that ideology should be strictly enforced. Permanent loss of citizenship and swift deportation should be the penalty for those who fail to espouse Americanism.

That's the civnat solution. But there are easier ways to determine whether individuals belong or not, and I bet in 90% or more of cases, you will get the same result as a thorough ideological exam of each person.

Blogger Avalanche October 20, 2018 3:00 PM  

@34 "if we can just get people to stop being so dark lazy and get a job! "

Great Freudian slip! Dark IS lazy!

Blogger John October 20, 2018 3:06 PM  

@47 Tars Tarkusz,

Color is a distraction that is mostly meaningless and you shouldn't let them frame it primarily as a color issue.
Color is just a stand-in for what we really mean which is recent ancestry. 


Color is an integral part of ethnicity. Ethnicity is an integral part of national identity. If you cannot stand by color you cannot stand by ethnicity, and if you cannot stand by ethnicity you cannot stand by nationality.

Blogger DJT October 20, 2018 3:19 PM  

Civ nats tend to see human beings as brains in jars, detached from the physical world and interacting telepathically. And if that's all that humans were, civic nationalism would probably work fine. But since we're not, it doesn't.

Blogger Stilicho October 20, 2018 3:21 PM  

You can take the African out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the African.

3oissy posted a link to a spenglerian analysis of the African "soul" (basically a gestalt of mental process, orientation, as well as cultural and genetic proclivities) that proposes such a profound difference from Western religion, culture, values, and civilization that they cannot be tolerated in the West beyond miniscule numbers. They same analysis also applies to the rest of the non-western world, differing only in the points and degree of incompatibility.

Blogger Haxo Angmark October 20, 2018 4:40 PM  

Z-Man is a Jew. Trying to be a Nationalist and a "man of good will" Tikkun Ola simultaneously. Won't work.

annihilate the invasives.

extirpate those who enabled their invasions.

@47: when the shooting starts, skin color will be the near-universal IFF.

Blogger Cloom Glue October 20, 2018 4:54 PM  

@52 I have an idea for a skit where the white cameraman reporter asks brown and black individuals, "What do say to those who accuse you of being a white supremacist"? ... and they all reply yes and expound on it in some funny way.

Here is a CBC cameraman doing it to Faith Goldy in Toronto. I hope she wins the mayor election next week.

https://youtu.be/nfFMQW9DSb8?t=443

Blogger Tars Tarkusz October 20, 2018 5:06 PM  

John wrote:

Color is an integral part of ethnicity. Ethnicity is an integral part of national identity. If you cannot stand by color you cannot stand by ethnicity, and if you cannot stand by ethnicity you cannot stand by nationality.


The whole point in framing it as being about color is against your idea. Race is not skin color. Ethnicity is not about skin color. What we are ultimately trying to protect is recent ancestry.
This is not to say you shouldn't defend white skin though. Have lots of beautiful white babies!

Blogger Dirk Manly October 20, 2018 5:14 PM  

Perhaps the best thing for all whites would be to start saying this:

If I'm going to be punished for my supposed racism, then I guess I had better start practicing some of that racism so that I can get the benefits that I'm being punished for. Until now, I haven't practicied ANY racism. You just wait and see what things are like when I do.

And say it to every POC you see, whenever you can fit it into a conversation. Just make sure it's ALWAYS a 1 on 1 conversation, so that there's no witnesses to tattle on you.

Blogger John October 20, 2018 5:19 PM  

@60 What we are ultimately trying to protect is recent ancestry.

We are trying to protect our nation. Ancestry is just ONE component. Language, culture, tradition, religion, moral philosophy, history, ancestry, genetics: these all compose nationality.

Those who seek to delegitimize the relevance of skin color are simply attacking what they perceive to be one of the weaker links in the chain of nationality. And they're right, it is one of the weaker links. But breaking that link is sufficient to cast doubt on the national relevance of genetics, which in turn casts down on the national relevance of ancestry.

Saying that ancestry matters is saying that genetics matters.
Saying that genetics matters is saying that skin color matters.
Concede nothing.

Blogger Dirk Manly October 20, 2018 5:23 PM  

@59

"I have an idea for a skit where the white cameraman reporter asks brown and black individuals, "What do say to those who accuse you of being a white supremacist"? ... and they all reply yes and expound on it in some funny way."

Well, then, DO IT!
What are you waiting for?
You want Vox to do it for you?

Blogger Cloom Glue October 20, 2018 5:49 PM  

@63 I'm not a writer. I won't be doing it. I don't want Vox to do it for me.

Some writer might do it because it is in the non-white immigrant culture of North America by my new observation, which is worth something as a contribution because it is credible with evidence from the culture.

Blogger Mark Stoval October 20, 2018 6:10 PM  

@62 John

Amen brother, amen.

That was a great comment and is my favorite so far over the last several threads. Good on you.

~ Mark

Blogger Dirk Manly October 20, 2018 6:13 PM  

Have you even scribbled out an outline, that someone else could refine.

I mean, that's like saying, "Somebody should write a book I might want to read." and nothing else.

You remind me of every lousy girlfriend (no, they haven't all been lousy) I've had:

Her: Let's go somewhere for dinner.
Me: Ok, where?
Her: I don't know. Just out.
Me: How about A?
Her: No
Me: How about B?
Her: Noooo....
Me: (Goes into kitchen and cooks myself a steak)

and that's how you end up being an ex-gf.

Blogger Random #57 October 20, 2018 6:29 PM  

@58 Haxo Angmark:

Z-Man is a Jew.

Wait, what? I'm willing to believe you, but I haven't noticed that directly or indirectly, do you have anything you can point me at? He claims not to be in his Letter To The Antisemites.

Blogger Cloom Glue October 20, 2018 6:30 PM  

Dirk, I think you are talking about my post. What I wrote served as a segue for a link to a video about a cameraman asking a question of an alt-right candidate. Without my pre-amble the link is too disconnected from the topic of the thread. I promise that I wrote that preamble to justify the video link, and secondarily it is a book request.

I am aware that people put out ideas that they think are worth 50% of the profits, as if nobody else could think of them. I got ideas thrown at me all the time in my area of work just because I was a producer of something valuable and I made it look easy to do the grunt work.

Blogger Al Du Clur October 20, 2018 7:15 PM  

"It won't be too much longer before the ships are sunk and the caravans are strafed, because mass immigration is invasion."

Yes, mass immigration is an invasion but that doesn't mean whites will take the necessary steps. There is a gigantic gap between where whites need to be in the US and where they are in terms of being able to save their land. Eventually most US whites will be ready to fight the invasion but by that time they will be a small, largely disenfranchised minority with most powerful whites still allied against the masses of whites. This is also going to likely doom red states from breaking away. By the time they are ready to split from the US, they won't have enough white votes to do so and the military will crush them if they try.

I imagine that Brazil is the best case scenario for us and Zimbabwe the worst. If things get bad enough the vast majority of whites and some brown men may be willing to vote for a Bolsonaro or back a Pinochet. The Pinochet option is less likely because if the military took over it would probably be to push gender fluidity.

Blogger John October 20, 2018 7:22 PM  

@65 Mark,

Thank you.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 20, 2018 11:37 PM  

"Color is a distraction that is mostly meaningless and you shouldn't let them frame it primarily as a color issue.
Color is just a stand-in for what we really mean which is recent ancestry. Color is just a superficial market of recent ancestry."


Have to disagree. Sure, color potentially could change fast with interbreeding, but it is very rare for that to actually happen. Skin color/tone is the very first thing you can see about someone else, and while it isn't necessarily inextricably interlinked with other characteristics (that we know of) it is very often an indicator that that individual will share many characteristics with others of similar color.

You can say that any characteristic is a superficial marker of recent ancestry, but it just isn't true. It is a product of recent ancestry, just as recent ancestry is a product of less recent ancestry and so on for many, many generations.

You can tell me skin color is superficial when you can show me that you can rub it off with your finger or wash it off under water, instead of needing to wash it off with the blood of many generations.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 20, 2018 11:59 PM  

"People have been predicting all sorts of problems from printing money that really don't arise."

They do arise, only gradually enough that most people don't perceive them as having originated where they actually did. Fiat money is a slave collar forever slipping another notch closed around the necks of all those it is enforced upon, and eventually they will always begin strangling if they do not abandon or strangle that currency first.

"The whole point in framing it as being about color is against your idea. Race is not skin color. Ethnicity is not about skin color. What we are ultimately trying to protect is recent ancestry."

Again, it's not recent ancestry any more than your house is just recent lumber. It's recent lumber cut from older trees grown by older still people on ancient soil.

Color is not the sole determinant of race or nation, but it is ALWAYS one of the determinants, and it is the most readily perceptible one, with all that that entails.

Race IS partly about skin color, as are ethnicity and nation.

"And they're right, it is one of the weaker links."

No, it's one of the larger links. Look at the strong nuclear force versus electromagnetic force. They fall off at different rates as a function of the radius from the source. The strong nuclear force is vastly stronger than light, but it operates appreciably only at ranges so small as to be simultaneously imperceptible and ubiquitous.

A small link like a singular family, its characteristics, resources, and affinity may be much stronger at a small scale, but it can never physically span across a million people like a skin color does.

Blogger Resident Moron™ October 21, 2018 1:51 AM  

The Left is anti-male. It is also anti-white.

It is also, at the highest levels, male and white.

It’s called treason.

The entire world has never been a match for christendom - only treason has enabled their invasion.

Blogger K G October 21, 2018 10:01 AM  

The (((whites))) in America have given actual whites a bad name with minorities. It’s they who run the left and lord over the minority sub groups in cities and blue states. Then, when they are called on it, use the evergreen tactics of “I’m not white, I’m (((white)))” and the holocaust to maintain the social benefits of victimhood simultaneously with the benefits of whiteness. I think it is they, who attempt to sit on the fence and force all other players to polarized sides of it, who will be most harmed by the awakening. Even normies on the right are calling them out, and it’s been long enough to publicly not care about the six million dead horses they keep beating.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz October 21, 2018 12:00 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:Skin color/tone is the very first thing you can see about someone else, and while it isn't necessarily inextricably interlinked with other characteristics (that we know of) it is very often an indicator that that individual will share many characteristics with others of similar color.
The problem is when you try to defend a color. While I find the arguments against defending whites to be weak sauce, people really do fall for it. I have personally witnessed people asking such idiotic questions as "How does black skin cause high crime?" as if that is some kind of reasonable rebuke of race realism. Then they rhetorically move over to eye color or hair color. People believe this shit and they see the absurdity of it. Answering these rhetorical retorts with 'race has nothing to do with skin color, it's genetics/recent ancestry' puts them on the defensive.

Blogger InformationMerchant October 21, 2018 6:36 PM  

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"Since then, 9 Proud Boys have been apprehended by police and given charges as serious as felony rioting. The media is portraying these men as part of an “Alt-Right hate group” despite the fact that two of the four white men arrested have black wives and kids (the other “Proud Boys of interest” aren’t even white). These are just patriots who love this country living in a left-wing city that hates them."

9 total.
4 of which are white, but 2 of those have black wives and black kids.

Who are whiter? Proud Boys and their families or Democrats?

Blogger CYGNUS FACETIOUS October 22, 2018 6:57 AM  

TM Lutas wrote:Churchill predicted (broadly) that the UK would lose its freedom under socialism in the 1940s election he lost following WW II.
It's Cassandra-like -- until you realize the man was bought from birth by Zionist financiers, bled in Cecil Rhodes' trial goyim culling experiment in the Boer War, and positioned in the Admiralty to inflict the illegal hunger blockade on Germany/Central Europe as much as a year beyond the end of hostilites for no other reason than to foist the Balfour Declaration on the world, and a Triple Alliance that never fought on their own soil, whilst inflicting 3:1 casualties.

Random #57 wrote:He claims not to be in his Letter To The Antisemites.
And if you press ((them)), they will define 'Judaism' as a religion and not an ethnos.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 22, 2018 10:05 AM  

"Answering these rhetorical retorts with 'race has nothing to do with skin color, it's genetics/recent ancestry' puts them on the defensive."

On ground they're going to win on, because it's a vague muddy field.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 22, 2018 10:12 AM  

Turn it around on them. Point out how it doesn't matter that they're too stupid to understand, the fact is blacks are more criminal than whites. Also point out that even poor whites have much lower crime rates than blacks to cut off the "but muh impoverishment" escape route.

Don't leave them any avenues of escape. Force the reality pill down their throats, and if it won't fit, make them choke on it until they retreat from the field permanently.

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