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Sunday, November 25, 2018

Appendix C

In response to a number of requests from readers, I am adding a third appendix to Jordanetics: A Journey Into the Mind of Humanity's Greatest Thinker. It consists of 12 rules for life that I consider to be superior to the rules of the 12-Rule Path, on both levels. Here are five of them.
  1. Embrace the iron. Lifting weights will not only help you stand up straight, it will make you stronger, healthier, and more confident. The iron teaches the weak to be strong and it teaches the strong to be humble.
  2. Take the wheel. You are the ultimate architect of your own decisions and actions. Even if you were dealt a bad card by life, even if your genetics are inferior, your upbringing was terrible, and your instincts are suboptimal, you are the only one who can improve yourself. You are driving and only you can determine the destination.
  3. Be the friend that you want to have. Smiles are contagious. Loyalty inspires loyalty. Stand by those who stand by you. Give every friend who fails you a second chance. Only abandon those who have repeatedly proven they cannot be trusted and do not wish you well.
  4. Envision perfection and pursue excellence. You will never achieve perfection. But if you envision it and you strive for it, you may well achieve success, and perhaps even excellence.
  5. Put a ring on it. Marriage is the manifestation of love. Children are the manifestation of hope. Raising a family to serve as the foundation of future generations is how Man rebels against an uncaring universe, a fallen world, and the spirits of despair and destruction. Yes, there are real risks, especially in the current social and legal environment. But they are well worth taking nevertheless.
The forthcoming paperback will contain Appendix C. The digital edition will be updated with it as well as the various corrections that went into the paperback, as usual. The response to the book continues to be polarized, as evidenced by a pair of recent reviews:
Waste of money
Mostly YouTube comments, childish name calling, full blown narcissism and declaring Tammy ugly. It takes a small, vindictive personality and truckload of resentment to like this.

The Truth about Jordan Peterson
A lot of Jordan Peterson fans are seriously triggered by this book. They insist that Vox Day is jealous. They insist that Vox Day and Milo are "smearing" Jordan Peterson. The problem is that Vox Day has a solid argument and vast amounts of evidence to support it.

The argument, as laid out by Milo is a great introduction, is that Jordan Peterson is not what he seems. He is a chameleon of the worst type. Someone who deceitfully lies all the time.

If you aren't satisfied with the examples Milo provides, Vox Day takes over and provides all the evidence you will ever need. One example after the next of Jordan Peterson saying one thing to one audience and then something completely contradictory somewhere else.

Which leads to the question of whether Jordan Peterson is a pathological liar. Is Jordan Peterson mentally stable? Could he be the Jim Jones of 2018? Vox Day admits that he doesn't know himself. It is very brave of Vox Day to write this book. He and Milo have been viciously attacked by Peterson's rabid followers. But the truth needs to be known.

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124 Comments:

Blogger Connor Johnston November 25, 2018 11:16 AM  

These are fantastic

Blogger Argus Bacchus November 25, 2018 11:21 AM  

Sage advice. As expected.

Vox Day: Expositor of Truth.

Jordan Peterson: Expositor of Lies.

"In the world's broad field of battle, every man is a combatant, and to be a successful combatant, he must not only be calculating, cool-headed and brave, but possessed of merciless strategy, a stout heart, a strong arm and quiet, indomitable determination." Ragnar Redbeard

Blogger Silent Draco November 25, 2018 11:22 AM  

Quantum jump above Jordanetics. You can always enjoy improvement over your initial condition.

Blogger Rob Boss November 25, 2018 11:28 AM  

6. Go the hell outside. A sedentary indoor life is a life not worth living. Chop wood, hike, camp, fish, whatever just take some time on a regular basis to purge the poisonous impact of cozy modern living.

Blogger Jon D. November 25, 2018 11:29 AM  

I mean it’s no “ clean your room” but I guess these are good ideas.

Blogger Xiety November 25, 2018 11:31 AM  

Excellent!

Blogger VD November 25, 2018 11:31 AM  

Go the hell outside.

These are my rules, Rob. Not your rules. And I assure you, that is NOT one of my rules.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums November 25, 2018 11:46 AM  

"Waste of money
Mostly YouTube comments, childish name calling, full blown narcissism and declaring Tammy ugly. It takes a small, vindictive personality and truckload of resentment to like this."

How can a personality be "small" and if it is indeed small how can it harbor a "truckload" of resentment?

Blogger Jackie Chun November 25, 2018 11:50 AM  

Whether marriage is worth the legal and financial risk is highly dependent on where you are. If it's a major US city in a state with bad laws ( california has Lifetime Alimony!) then it's probably not worth it, not to mention all the feminism, the social media abuse RooshV points out, etc. Still this partial advice is better than what peterson recommends - what that is I'm not sure exactly, other than calling some anti-marriage men pathetic weasels in what was undoubtedly projection.

Blogger Argus Bacchus November 25, 2018 11:51 AM  

@8

All things are possible with faith in the Messiah Jordan Peterson.

Blogger VD November 25, 2018 11:53 AM  

Whether marriage is worth the legal and financial risk is highly dependent on where you are.

It is always worth it, assuming that one simply doesn't propose marriage to the first available female. That's like arguing that it is never worth fighting for anything, because you could be hurt or killed.

This is the one area where the "man up" crowd is essentially correct, except when they deny the existence of the risks.

Blogger Lee Bovary November 25, 2018 11:56 AM  

"Embrace the iron."

Agreed. Looking back, lifting was likely the single biggest change I've made to my life, and the one that started me on my more conservative path. Something about the work, the challenge, and knowing you have control over your body makes you view the world in a different way. Not to mention, as you've said, you can't rationalize your way into lifting heavier - you either can or you can't.

Blogger Garuna November 25, 2018 12:02 PM  

Mostly YouTube comments, childish name calling, full blown narcissism and declaring Tammy ugly.

Looks like he just read the first few pages and then ragequit. Between this and the literal crying during lectures, Peterson fans have a running theme of emotional incontinence.

Blogger homesteader November 25, 2018 12:06 PM  

The iron is essential, since it is that "which corresponds to objective reality."

You can't bullshit your way out of a deep squat.

Blogger Eduardo November 25, 2018 12:08 PM  

Let's collectively create the other rules, and see how messed up the rules will turn out xD

By the end of it we will all understand why one of Vox's rules is "Never Interfere with my work".

Blogger Eduardo November 25, 2018 12:12 PM  

@14

Oh, yes you can. Just Ego Lift all the time. Weight lifting demands from you first and foremost discipline, that is why competitions that have a opponent tend to be more demanding (because we hate losing), so we comete with the other guy to see who wants to win more. Weight lifting is just you and you, you Vs the guy on the mirror.

Weight lifting is definately a way to become humble (better
then the Saganian Astronomy)...

and have a hip replacement.

Blogger homesteader November 25, 2018 12:15 PM  

And children are the only lasting legacy most of us will ever leave. Marrying their mother-even if you fail-tells them that Love is

"Acta Non Verba".

Blogger S. Misanthrope November 25, 2018 12:19 PM  

I was actually disappointed at the single, somewhat indirect remark about the attractiveness of Ms. Peterson. I can’t believe these Peterson fanboys call her “Tammy.” They are like teenage girls memorizing the details of a celebrity crush’s life.

Blogger VD November 25, 2018 12:23 PM  

I was actually disappointed at the single, somewhat indirect remark about the attractiveness of Ms. Peterson.

I would never have mentioned it if the charges of envy and jealousy had not been repeated. But it is absolutely relevant given the accusation.

The lesson, as always, is this: don't fuck with me.

Blogger homesteader November 25, 2018 12:24 PM  

@16-

I suppose all lifting is "ego lifting"- competing aginst yourself is still competing.

And the drive to be a better man is "ego lifting", as well.

"You suck, get better."

"You"-Ego- is the commonality.

As for humility- yes. Iron is a wonderful corrective to conceit. No matter how strong you get, gravity is there, relentlessly reminding you of your relative infirmity.

And as for hip replacements- try non-weight bearing activity for bone de-mineralization over time.

Better to wear out than to rust.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 25, 2018 12:25 PM  

Put a ring on it. Marriage is the manifestation of love. Children are the manifestation of hope. Raising a family to serve as the foundation of future generations is how Man rebels against an uncaring universe, a fallen world, and the spirits of despair and destruction. Yes, there are real risks, especially in the current social and legal environment. But they are well worth taking nevertheless.

Amen

Blogger Bradley Matthews November 25, 2018 12:29 PM  

Marriage maxim is excellent. Did you include one on martial arts/fighting?

Blogger Cecil Henry November 25, 2018 12:45 PM  

As if on cue, Peterson virtue signals his bona fide leftist status again

https://i.imgur.com/0v2KCLH.png




Jordanetics 101: 'Conversation requires listening, not just talking'

https://i.imgur.com/BEzLghv.jpg

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) November 25, 2018 12:46 PM  

These are my rules, Rob. Not your rules. And I assure you, that is NOT one of my rules.

This is the best comment of the year

Blogger Garuna November 25, 2018 12:50 PM  

I was actually disappointed at the single, somewhat indirect remark about the attractiveness of Ms. Peterson.

The ugliness of Peterson's wife is an important measure of where he was before he started his cult. He wasn't worth a shit.

This understanding debunks the claims that Peterson has "sacrificed so much". In reality, he has only gained from his fake intellectual schtick. Money, fame, influence, probably groupies, and potentially power.

It also explain why he will do anything to keep the scam going. He'll cuck on anything. He'll throw anyone under the bus. He'll make any compromise he has to make. Because he could lose it all and end up back where he was before. Being a nobody and fucking an ugly troll.

Blogger Eduardo November 25, 2018 1:00 PM  

@20

I am afraid that I used Ego Lifting in a different definition. I meant people that are unwilling to do the PROPER work to lift, that throw weights up when in that particular exercise you shouldn't be throwing anything, but rather slowly lifting the weight taking in the pain (and the gains) as you contract and relax the muscle group in question. You know the slackers.

THe guys who skip leg day because you can get women just by having yuge pecs and biceps, you can look menacing if you have almost no neck; If you are a regular gym goer, how many people in there are lifting not to be better but to gain something outside themselves?

Their resolve is entirely based on the premise that Muscles = Social Advantage, not "lifting weights = the best of "them" will come out". These guys rarely learn discipline, because they have no higher goal, no idealization (even if an impossible one), just whatever you can take at the moment, and when that is done, you never train ever again, hence the over usage of steroids, why lift when you can inject muscles? Why try to become the best in the bench press when the chick had sex with you while your body is not that great yet? Why train at 3 AM when you don't even have an INSTAGRAM Ó_Ó!?!

You must be a heck of well disciplined guy, hence is easy for you or Vox to see the gains in weight lifting, but the average run the mill idiot in the street?!?

And that is what I meant! xD

Blogger Garuna November 25, 2018 1:01 PM  

@Cecil Henry

"rehabilitation of the Democrat Party is necessary. The alternative is a victory for those who want to overturn the system itself"
https://i.imgur.com/0v2KCLH.png


Again Peterson shows that his true purpose is to protect the evil establishment. His entire fake ideology is made up to serve that purpose. What a fucking repulsive worm.

Blogger Unknown November 25, 2018 1:05 PM  

JBP is able to get away with his dishonesty because of the lack of free thinking in his audience, similar to how a large corporation can get away with profiting off an exclusive market because of the lack of free investment by the public. If there was present in the modern world a free market, there would be new ideas.
JBP is an intellectual control freak but not any more than the people that listen to him or he would have nothing to sell them, liberality; He is trying to maintain an image for them of a role model, ignoring his own, and the experience of others as input into that equation. It is not their world to give us.

Blogger Xiety November 25, 2018 1:06 PM  

Garuna wrote:This understanding debunks the claims that Peterson has "sacrificed so much."
Well, it depends on what you mean by "soul."

Blogger Miles Plastic November 25, 2018 1:06 PM  

Marriage is the family court's way to destroy men, isn't it?

Blogger VD November 25, 2018 1:13 PM  

Marriage is the family court's way to destroy men, isn't it?

No, that is the hapless drone's interpretation.

Blogger homesteader November 25, 2018 1:16 PM  

@26-

Thanks, but no. I'm almost 50, and so my vanity is mostly gone. I lift for functionality- Starting Strength lifts.


But, yes, bodybuilding as opposed to strength training. Acta, Non Verba.

We must BE, not SEEM.

Blogger homesteader November 25, 2018 1:20 PM  

And the discipline is based on the motivation. I want strong legs for working, so squats.

I want to be able to move stuff, so deadlifts.

Etc.

Blogger The Observer November 25, 2018 1:25 PM  

Marriage is the manifestation of love.

I can agree with almost all of 5, but not this one. If marriage is for love, then homosexuals marrying or incest become unprincipled exceptions to be attacked by the "love is love" crowd, and unprincipled exceptions always fall with time. This goes doubly so when we no longer differentiate between eros, philias, storge and agape, allowing the usual suspects to perform their clever reinterpretations and conflations.

Love helps grease the wheels, but it shouldn't be the be-all-end-all. The over-romanticisation of marriage is a relatively recent phenomenon anyways, and people used to be a lot more realistic about what one would get out of a marriage.

Blogger VD November 25, 2018 1:29 PM  

If marriage is for love

You are confusing a state of being with purpose. No one said it is the be-all and end-all. You are disagreeing with a strawman of your own construction.

Blogger Eduardo November 25, 2018 1:29 PM  

@34

He is using Normie Talk

Blogger Jackie Chun November 25, 2018 1:29 PM  

Family courts are pretty biased and have destroyed a lot of men's lives in the US, no question. Maybe marriage should be a purely economic transaction between two families, or between the husband and the dad. But whatever the case, marriage exists and will continue to happen whether the state messes with it or not.

Blogger VD November 25, 2018 1:30 PM  

But, yes, bodybuilding as opposed to strength training.

No. Both bodybuilding and strength training are good and desirable. The fact that they have different objectives does not lessen the value of one or the other. And both require considerable discipline.

Blogger Nate November 25, 2018 1:33 PM  

"Love helps grease the wheels, but it shouldn't be the be-all-end-all. The over-romanticisation of marriage is a relatively recent phenomenon anyways, and people used to be a lot more realistic about what one would get out of a marriage."

Shhh. You don't know what love is. Love and romance are entirely unrelated. There is nothing romantic about cleaning up puke at 3am. Yet it is an act of pure love.

Blogger VD November 25, 2018 1:37 PM  

He is using Normie Talk

No, I am not. It means exactly what it says, and if you had the ability to actually read what is written rather than assigning your own peculiar interpretations and definitions to the words I am using, you would understand that.

A manifestation is an outward or perceptible indication, a materialization, a public demonstration. There is literally no meaning of the word that implies core purpose or that precludes other significant elements.

Note that "Normie Talk" is an intrinsically gnostic perspective. I reject the entire concept.

Blogger Eduardo November 25, 2018 1:42 PM  

@nate

Your Love for Puke is Platonic, Nate, you clean the puke 'cause that is what you must do with puke xD

Blogger Michael Maier November 25, 2018 1:45 PM  

Take the wheel. You are the ultimate architect of your own decisions and actions. Even if you were dealt a bad card by life, even if your genetics are inferior, your upbringing was terrible, and your instincts are suboptimal, you are the only one who can improve yourself. You are driving and only you can determine the destination.

Yup.

No one else will EVER care about your life as much as you do... so get to it.

Blogger homesteader November 25, 2018 1:47 PM  

@38.

They are both good, however, the strength trainer is far less concerned about his appearance. It's the numbers that count.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 25, 2018 1:59 PM  

Numbers are developed by methods and techniques in part developed by body builders.

How much of what we take for granted today was developed by Arnold Schwarzenegger and Frank Zane?

Blogger DJT November 25, 2018 2:00 PM  

@34 The love between a man and his wife is an image of God's love. Creation is an outpouring of God's love into the universe, and so is making children. That is just one of the many reasons why the love argument cannot justify the fag paraphilia.

Blogger Eduardo November 25, 2018 2:01 PM  

@40

Welllll when you put the definition of "manifestation" that WAY, I have to agree with you.

But still, you know what it sounds like to most people? Like Love CAUSES Marriage. See Observer for instance.

Sure, it is because I lack "the ability to actually read what is written rather than assigning your own peculiar interpretations and definitions to the words I am using" but it still comes out AS IF it meant "to cause".

Sorry Vox, but not everybody has the grasp of English that you have, and I've learned from Americans to interpret manifestation that way.

About the Normie Talk, hey I thought you were in rethoric mode in this one, so all was well, didn't even meant that you were using "Evil Tactics".

Blogger Jack Amok November 25, 2018 2:07 PM  

Everyone whining about Vox's advice to get married, go back and read #2 - Take the wheel.

Yes, there are risks. But taking risks is what men do. Be smart about it, but don't be cowardly. Not every woman is worth marrying, but some are and some will be with the guidance of a strong man.

As far as taking the wheel, every road has pain, sorrow and danger of one form or another, they're all alike that way. They just go different places.

So take the road that goes somewhere worth being.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 25, 2018 2:09 PM  

Eduardo you talk like a fag

Blogger Eduardo November 25, 2018 2:14 PM  

@48

Heard too many millenials talking... annnnd I am no Alpha.

Blogger homesteader November 25, 2018 2:17 PM  

@44- as well as the men who preceded them, like Dan Lurie and John Grimek.

But again-it's a false dichotomy. I was responding to Eduardo's comment @20.

They are both useful. They both require discipline. However, as a generalization, bodybuilders emphasize appearance over numbers. Mr. Olympia is a contest of appearance.

The Olympic lifts are definitely not.

Blogger VD November 25, 2018 2:37 PM  

But still, you know what it sounds like to most people?

There are over one billion Chinese people to whom it sounds like total nonsense. I don't care about their inability to understand me either.

If a reader is incapable of understanding the plain meaning of clearly written English words, I have absolutely no interest in anything that reader might think or say about what I write.

Blogger S1AL November 25, 2018 2:38 PM  

'Shhh. You don't know what love is. Love and romance are entirely unrelated. There is nothing romantic about cleaning up puke at 3am. Yet it is an act of pure love.'

Or the shorter version: Love is much more a verb than it is a noun.

Blogger VD November 25, 2018 2:38 PM  

However, as a generalization, bodybuilders emphasize appearance over numbers. Mr. Olympia is a contest of appearance.

So what? This is nothing but spergs sperging irrelevantly about something that tangentially touches their area of spergish interest.

I absolutely do not recommend strength training instead of bodybuilding. I recommend lifting weights, period, for everyone.

Blogger The Greay Man November 25, 2018 2:43 PM  

Good grief what is with the austicic freakshows making their appearance in this thread?

People using smiley faces and "Welllllll" and arguing over nothing.

Lift weights. Get married.

Is that really so hard? Vox Day was very clear.

Blogger Lance E November 25, 2018 2:45 PM  

Eduardo wrote:Weight lifting is definately a way to become humble [...] and have a hip replacement.

Lifting weights is how you avoid a hip replacement. People's bodies fall apart in old age because they don't do anything to maintain them, and their atrophying muscles and joints can no longer support their frame.

homesteader wrote:The Olympic lifts are definitely not.

Are you saying that Olympic lifts are not useful, or not a contest of appearance?

Blogger VD November 25, 2018 2:45 PM  

Good grief what is with the austicic freakshows making their appearance in this thread?

It is very important for them to show what Smart Boys they are.

They still haven't learn that Smart Boys look like jackasses to most people.

Level up, Gammas. Level up.

Blogger homesteader November 25, 2018 2:56 PM  

Sidetracked, people.

Never commented on your recommendation, Vox, per se.

Was a response to Eduardo about training emphasis, not an ex cathedra pronouncement.

Yes. Lift. Call it whatever you want.

And the olympic lifts are about numbers- I don't think they give style points, yet.





Blogger Eduardo November 25, 2018 3:01 PM  

@51

Fair.

@54

o_Õ Don't you like to sperg out every once in a while.

It is okay Greay Man I will decrease the number of L's to 2 next time, but I will keep the evil smileys xD

@55

I was making a reference to Ronnie Coleman, he loved to lift these huge weights, and had all sort of problems in his body including a hip replacement.

But I agree with you 100%, lifting weights helps strenghten joints.

@56

Not enough XP

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 25, 2018 3:02 PM  

Embracing the iron can be a curse. I did it at 15 and never stopped. That was almost 35 years ago. My reward has been constant disgust every day for all the weakness I see around me. I see through their lies, their excuses, and illusions. I see through the tattoos on flabby arms and fat legs. I see through the expensive clothes and flashy cars. I see through and see no more souls. The sense of moral superiority is isolation, of not being of this world. But to be a mindless NPC is like death.
And that is the net result of managing to stay in shape into middle age while everybody else around you gets fat and stupid.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 25, 2018 3:11 PM  

Ronnie Coleman was mainlining steroids off of some chick's ass for 25 years. Lifting didn't do it to him.

Blogger OneWingedShark November 25, 2018 3:14 PM  

S1AL wrote:'Shhh. You don't know what love is. Love and romance are entirely unrelated. There is nothing romantic about cleaning up puke at 3am. Yet it is an act of pure love.'

Or the shorter version: Love is much more a verb than it is a noun.

I think you're right; the verb-form is action, and it's in the action that we know the noun-form real.

Blogger The Greay Man November 25, 2018 3:21 PM  

Ronnie Coleman never rested after his surgeries and was always proud of it. His injuries are not typical of bodybuilding in any way.

Whether you lift for strength, health, or looks, who cares? The iron is what matters.

If Eduardo the Smart Boy could actually contribute to the conversation he would know not to use asinine smiley faces and exaggerated spelling.

Eduardo, get off the website and go to the gym.

Blogger Thomas Howard November 25, 2018 3:30 PM  

@19
I was actually disappointed at the single, somewhat indirect remark about the attractiveness of Ms. Peterson.

I would never have mentioned it if the charges of envy and jealousy had not been repeated. But it is absolutely relevant given the accusation.


The lesson, as always, is this: don't fuck with me.


For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.

Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is esteemed before men is an abomination in the sight of God.

Blogger matveidaniilovich November 25, 2018 3:33 PM  

Go the hell outside.

These are my rules, Rob. Not your rules. And I assure you, that is NOT one of my rules.

Vox is 'inside child' confirmed.

Blogger Lance E November 25, 2018 3:34 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Ronnie Coleman was mainlining steroids off of some chick's ass for 25 years. Lifting didn't do it to him.

Definitely. A lot of these high-profile injuries we hear about don't come from "lifting", they come from people trying to progress way beyond their natural limits. Comparing yourself to them is self-sabotage.

I read that most powerlifters, including amateurs, do get injured at some point, often multiple times, but it doesn't really stop their progress and they get over it eventually. Obviously when you're 70 years old you might want to slow down a bit.

One of the main benefits to me personally has been getting over the fear of injury. There's a whole lot of room between "sprained wrist" and "hip replacement surgery".

Blogger Long Live The West November 25, 2018 3:45 PM  

Health, looks, confidence, strength. You don't have to pick one when weight training, so who cares?

Do it because you want to. Make it a change of lifestyle.

Blogger SmockMan November 25, 2018 3:51 PM  

matveidaniilovich wrote:Go the hell outside.

These are my rules, Rob. Not your rules. And I assure you, that is NOT one of my rules.

Vox is 'inside child' confirmed.


I got the same reaction when I opened up the back door to see if the inside cat wanted out.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 25, 2018 3:54 PM  

Muscle is the fountain of youth for men and for women. The only way for women to resist time and osteoporosis with any degree of success is to lift. You want to be toned? You aren't toning fat. You're toning muscle.

Blogger Eduardo November 25, 2018 3:54 PM  

Ronnie Coleman was mainlining steroids off of some chick's ass for 25 years. Lifting didn't do it to him

Ronnie Coleman never rested after his surgeries and was always proud of it. His injuries are not typical of bodybuilding in any way.

Hmm, well this is a bit different from what I've heard about Ronnie, so I will check a bit more about the man, but I was under the impression that he lifted way too heavy weights when his body was nowhere near the condition to do those things.

Whether you lift for strength, health, or looks, who cares? The iron is what matters.

Well if you say so.

If Eduardo the Smart Boy could actually contribute to the conversation he would know not to use asinine smiley faces and exaggerated spelling.

Greay, RELAX! It is just smiley faces!
You people seem to be way too worried about the whole attempt to "look smart". What really goes through my mind is that you guys are fun to read because you are older and wiser, that reading you guys and gals will be far more entertaining and informative then reading Youtube comments.

That is really all there is to it.

The trying to be smart comments? (damn I don't even know if have any of those here) Just putting what I believe out there, or making a comment I think it is worthwhile. Listening to you people criticizing me is also worthwhile, to shake off the Gammatude.

Eduardo, get off the website and go to the gym.
Duly Noted.

Blogger Silent Draco November 25, 2018 4:06 PM  

I'm waiting on weight training. Recovering from a bad arm and shoulder injury. Recover range of motion first, then weight training to recover and increase strength. Range of motion stretching and exercise is enough pain for now. Will embrace the other pain later.

Vox, as usual, is correct. Strenght gives confidence. Confidence supports purpose.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 25, 2018 4:09 PM  

The Observer wrote:If marriage is for love, then homosexuals marrying or incest become unprincipled exceptions to be attacked by the "love is love" crowd, and unprincipled exceptions always fall with time.
Whatever it is that fags have, it has no relationship to love.

Eduardo wrote:@nate

Your Love for Puke is Platonic, Nate, you clean the puke 'cause that is what you must do with puke xD

Damn Eddy, that was actually funny.

Blogger C.B. Robertson November 25, 2018 4:20 PM  

@Vox, if I already bought the eBook (and have it a positive review on my blog and on Amazon), is there a way I can get this list without buying again? It looks really good.

Blogger The Observer November 25, 2018 5:08 PM  

You are confusing a state of being with purpose. No one said it is the be-all and end-all. You are disagreeing with a strawman of your own construction.

I stand corrected. Sorry.

Blogger VD November 25, 2018 5:31 PM  

is there a way I can get this list without buying again?

I understand that your Kindle will update it for you automatically.

Blogger VD November 25, 2018 5:35 PM  

Greay, RELAX! It is just smiley faces!

No, it is communicating in a way that annoys people. See, this is what keeps you locked in Gamma Hell. People tell you "don't do that" and instead of saying "Ok" and filing a mental note to remind yourself not to do that in the future, you try to defend what you did that annoyed them and learn nothing from the correction. Eventually, people who find you annoying stop correcting you and start avoiding you.

You people seem to be way too worried about the whole attempt to "look smart". What really goes through my mind is that you guys are fun to read because you are older and wiser, that reading you guys and gals will be far more entertaining and informative then reading Youtube comments.

We're not worried about it. We are informing you that you are behaving in an annoying manner and letting you know that we know why you are doing it. It's not necessary. It accomplishes the opposite of the objective. So don't do it!

About two-thirds of all Gamma problems could be avoided by the simple technique of learning when to shut up and nod.

Blogger Eduardo November 25, 2018 5:40 PM  

@75

*nods*

Blogger Hammerli280 November 25, 2018 5:45 PM  

"Envision perfection and pursue excellence. You will never achieve perfection. But if you envision it and you strive for it, you may well achieve success, and perhaps even excellence."

I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this. Because it's been one of the cornerstones of my life - the drive to carve my name into the rock of history. Without that pursuit of excellence, you really won't accomplish anything.

Blogger VD November 25, 2018 5:53 PM  

I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this.

Or where I got it from....

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 25, 2018 5:55 PM  

Marcus Aurelius, probably.

Blogger Jill Domschot November 25, 2018 6:05 PM  

It's a good list. 4 is very frustrating, however.

Blogger Thomas Howard November 25, 2018 6:06 PM  

Vince Lombardi

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 25, 2018 6:07 PM  

Jill, it can be frustrating chasing standards for men. Stick to not being fat and obeying your husband.

Blogger Long Live the West November 25, 2018 6:09 PM  

VD wrote:Greay, RELAX! It is just smiley faces!

No, it is communicating in a way that annoys people. See, this is what keeps you locked in Gamma Hell. People tell you "don't do that" and instead of saying "Ok" and filing a mental note to remind yourself not to do that in the future, you try to defend what you did that annoyed them and learn nothing from the correction. Eventually, people who find you annoying stop correcting you and start avoiding you.


A lot of Gammas seem to get confused when it comes to attempting to emulate Alpha behavior. 'Confidence' gets translated into taking no advice, and doing whatever they want, whenever they want.

Blogger Jill Domschot November 25, 2018 6:11 PM  

"I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this. Because it's been one of the cornerstones of my life - the drive to carve my name into the rock of history. Without that pursuit of excellence, you really won't accomplish anything." This has been my drive, too. But it's incredibly frustrating at times. It also feeds into the desire to never, ever stagnate.

Blogger Jill Domschot November 25, 2018 6:15 PM  

"Jill, it can be frustrating chasing standards for men. Stick to not being fat and obeying your husband." I take these as good standards for people in general. How they are worked out is different for women, though. Or they should be.

Blogger James Pyrich November 25, 2018 6:19 PM  

#4 stands in stark contrast to JBP's narcissism around shame: "Beauty shames the ugly. Strength shames the weak. Death shames the living--and the Ideal shames us all. Thus we fear it, resent it--even hate it."

You are, without question, inadequate in comparison to the Ideal. But that doesn't mean you need to cower into a ball and feel shame. If you cannot avoid feeling shame, then use it to lever yourself into action towards inspiration.

I'm not saying you should completely ignore your feelings, but if you have anything resembling the capacity for choice, you need to use it or you will lose it.

Time to press some iron.

Blogger Patrick Kelly November 25, 2018 6:20 PM  

Marriage and children are worth it.

I am a horrible example, but even through the modern American struggle, pain, and trial marriage and families may become, you learn a lot about yourself and how to be a better man, even if you totally fail.

If you can honestly and bravely embrace it whenever and however possible.

Greater love has no man than to lay down his life for another, and if you can't do it for a wife and kids, you can't do it for anyone, and will never experience such love in or from yourself.

It is worth it.

Blogger VD November 25, 2018 6:24 PM  

Jill, it can be frustrating chasing standards for men.

The rules are not just for men. They are simply phrased for men. The female version of Rule #5 would be "Take the ring."

Blogger Jill Domschot November 25, 2018 6:33 PM  

Following rules like these goes a long way towards not being fat.

Blogger Lance E November 25, 2018 6:37 PM  

Long Live the West wrote:A lot of Gammas seem to get confused when it comes to attempting to emulate Alpha behavior.

Most men probably should not attempt to emulate alpha behavior. Gammas definitely shouldn't. Game tricks and tweaks might work for solid betas who are already likable, but gammas don't have the social skills.

Imagine a frail, skinnyfat 40-year-old trying to "emulate" a pro football player.

Blogger Dorvannnn November 25, 2018 6:54 PM  

I think the reason people are skeptical of marriage is that far to many people rush in and get married to partners they are incompatible with. I've been to many weddings where a I could tell right away that the bride and groom would eventually get divorced. It's actually kind sad because a lot of these people end up having children that emulate the destructive behavior patterns of the parents.

Blogger Fe2O3 November 25, 2018 7:06 PM  

I have read about half of the book so far. Excellent. The piece that has really hit home about this guy is the connection to the occult themes in his so called philosophy.

I don't think I had even heard of this guy until you started posting about him. Vox, as in the past, you were spot on with the assessment early on. I trust your summary, but I am intentested to read this stuff in his own words because it's almost too unbelievable that people would fall for it.

I have since watched a couple of videos featuring Peterson. His manner of speach and generally confusing doublespeak are pretty quick indicators there is something not right about the guy. But for the life of me cannot understand why people buy into it. And for the record I have known many good people fall for this type of crap before with similar, lesser know deceivers.

Curious to know if you recognized the occult references right away and what they were. Thanks and keep up the good work.

Blogger Avalanche November 25, 2018 7:14 PM  

@69 RELAX! It is just smiley faces!
You people seem to be way too worried about the whole attempt to "look smart". What really goes through my mind is that you guys are fun to read because you are older and wiser,"

Eduardo, this is a group of adults having adult conversation. A child bouncing up and wanting to make smiley faces and be the focus on attention is neither fun, charming, nor of any interest. Think of the 6-yr-old at the pool yelling, "mom! mommy! mom! LOOK AT ME!! Hey mom! Mom! Look at me!"

Or, more accurately, a bunch of adult men are having serious work or business or economics or other such topic conversations, and you come racing in (metaphorically) dressed like a clown on a pogo stick (do you have those in your country?) trying to get attention and disrupt the adults... You're NOT funny; your attempts to 'make people laugh' (did anyone here hire a comedian?) fall flat; and we're not interested in your attempts to be a comedian.

Gamma, trying to get reward points by being a comedian?! (Think it over.)

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums November 25, 2018 7:23 PM  

@58
You sound like a poser who doesn't even know what skateboard squats are!

Blogger Unknown November 25, 2018 7:39 PM  

@78 VD
"'I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this.'

Or where I got it from...."


It reminds me a lot of C.S. Lewis in Mere Christianity talking about striving for Heaven, but it isn't a direct quote.

Semi-related, thank you for your recent answer to someone else in a Darkstream regarding Christian denominations and Mere Christianity. I've been working on reading it and Summa Theologica for a while now, and have the Bible by my bed to read next, starting with the New Testament. At this point, about 13 questions in to the Thomas Aquinas, I'm thinking I'm past the useful point of it for me at this time, though I'm glad I read what I did.

The bible I have is the Exegeses Parallel Bible, based on the KJV. If you or anyone else is familiar with it, is this a reasonable bible to start with, or should I look for a different copy?

Blogger Hammerli280 November 25, 2018 7:54 PM  

@84: Jill, excellence is never easy. It's the product of patient, loving practice - frequently for decades. And rarely in a field that will win fame or fortune.

But it beats being Danny or Daisy Duffer, who could never be bothered to be good at anything.

True story: There was a boy, just in his teens, who heard of the American black powder shooters who went to the World Muzzle-Loading Championships in 1976 and won medals by the bushel. And that boy thought to himself, "I want in on that action!"

So he learned to shoot. Honed his skills in competition. Mastered the finer points of making a percussion revolver, flintlock duelling pistol, or percussion target pistol do his bidding. And after twenty years, he finally made it onto the U.S. International Muzzle-Loading Team. Excellence indeed.

But this was not enough. So the man (no longer a boy after twenty years) kept shooting. Kept whetting his skills ever finer. Won medals in team events, placed in the top 10 in the world...but an individual event medal eluded him. Until finally, one gray drizzling day, he managed to put it all together.

And 42 years after starting his pursuit, won a World Championship. Not much fame in it, and no money...but excellence is its own reward.

Blogger Eduardo November 25, 2018 8:02 PM  

@93
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Ty3fggeBA

The reward is to make you guys laugh... that is all

Well I can definitely say that you guys are... different.

@94
Have never been a gym rat, got depression in 2010 so i never felt like going to gym since then. Was in the military for brief period of time in 2009, had a nice body back then. But I was saying this things because of the overall behaviour you see in bodybuilding and gym rats around the net or the people I saw in the gym the times I went there, or knowing people who were constantly going to gyms for a brief period of time.
I am sorry if I come out as a "pretending to be a seasoned veteran of the gym", but is easy to see why people are training for.

Blogger Hammerli280 November 25, 2018 8:06 PM  

I'll add one other point. I firmly believe that everyone can be good at something. It may not win you fame or fortune, it may not earn you much praise, but the quest for excellence will shape you. And change you for the better.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) November 25, 2018 8:08 PM  

Vox wrote something a couple years ago on Alpha Game that's relevant to this:

"This post could be a book, but instead I’ll highlight the four points of life.

Physical: Don't lie to yourself about your appearance. Take a good long look in the mirror. Everyone, and I mean everyone has something they’d like to improve about their appearance so get at it. Dress better and sharper than the next guy. Work out and push yourself.

Emotional: Don't lie about how you feel, but rather learn to control yourself. Stop being a basket case when things don’t go your way. If your emotions are getting the best of you stop, walk away, and calm down so long as your life isn’t in danger. Stop picking fights with people online and in real life to get an emotional high and low. You can't really control your emotions, but you can control your reaction to them to try to remain calm and steady.

Spiritual: Don't lie about the state of your soul or conscience. If you don’t pray, then meditate regularly on life, listen to your conscience, and strive for honesty. If you pray, then set time aside regularly for it and to ask for forgiveness and honesty. You can’t forgive others if you can’t get on your knees yourself. You can’t expect honesty in others if you lie about yourself.

Intellectual: Don't lie to yourself about your intelligence and keep your mouth shut unless you actually have something meaningful to add. Carefully read on a topic before pontificating about it as you want to be known for being thoughtful not blustery. Don’t exaggerate about things you know or your life, as eventually you will get caught."

http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2016/03/avoiding-gammahood.html

Blogger S1AL November 25, 2018 8:48 PM  

"But I was saying this things because of the overall behaviour you see in bodybuilding and gym rats around the net or the people I saw in the gym the times I went there, or knowing people who were constantly going to gyms for a brief period of time."

Are you going to the gym for you or for others?

Blogger VD November 25, 2018 8:51 PM  

But I was saying this things because of the overall behaviour you see in bodybuilding and gym rats around the net or the people I saw in the gym the times I went there, or knowing people who were constantly going to gyms for a brief period of time.

So the fuck what? You know next to nothing about the subject and your musings are not relevant to the topic.

Talk less. Train more.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums November 25, 2018 8:57 PM  

@97
So I was right. You do talk like someone that's never got "it".
Gym culture is one of the most funnest things I've gotten into. I even know people that have never once stepped in a gym but lurked the online forums. It's kind of like the gaming culture, it's the same types of people that populate it actually. And if you're an outsider looking in you might wrongly assume gaming is all about Fortnite and Starcraft.

There are levels to everything. The people you're alluding to that make up a gym are also people that other gym rats make fun of constantly. The numbers on the plates do not lie therefore you cannot lie to yourself about where you stand in the hierarchy because it's right there in the open for all to see. Iron MAKES you to embrace reality good or bad and not try to use words to construct one for yourself.

Blogger Bird on a Wing November 25, 2018 9:54 PM  

Jill Domschot wrote:It's a good list. 4 is very frustrating, however.

Yeah, it’s a great list, and 4 is frustrating. But I think the best part of the creative process – aiming at perfection and spectacularly failing to reach anything like what you envisioned – takes on a different hue when an interested observer pulls out bits and pieces amidst the imperfections of your project and shuffles them around in another form, with profound results. Then you realize your original vision is not dead, but merely the seed of inspiration for something you would never have created yourself. And it’s beautiful – all of it.

Blogger Jill Domschot November 25, 2018 9:56 PM  

@Hammerli280, you're absolutely correct. Striving for perfection is frustrating because it's ultimately impossible, but the rewards for achieving excellence are worth it. Struggle is good for the human soul.

Blogger Ahärôwn November 25, 2018 10:00 PM  

These are excellent - looking forward to the entire list when I get the paperback, once it comes out.

Blogger Jack Amok November 25, 2018 10:53 PM  

Muscle is the fountain of youth for men and for women.

Absolutely. And you don't have to spend 8 hours a day in the gym. 30 - 60 minutes 3 times a week is plenty unless you are trying to be competitive.

I was under the impression that he lifted way too heavy weights when his body was nowhere near the condition to do those things.

That's what steroids can do. They let your muscles grow beyond what the rest of your body can handle. They also might let your muscles recover faster than your joints and connective tissues after a workout, leading to overtraining and injury.

Blogger James Pyrich November 25, 2018 11:16 PM  

@97 This is not a competition, but I just gotta say something.

I was depressed as a teenager all through my late 20s. I was always weak, and fat since age 11, with my heaviest being around 315 lbs. I wanted to off myself throughout most of that time.

It wasn't until somebody helped me realize that the shitshow of my childhood wasn't my fault (obvious in retrospect, illustrates how isolated I was), and that my life isn't doomed to failure if I make better choices.

It's taken me a long time, perhaps longer than it should have, but I'm back to my high school weight, and in way better shape than I was then. I'm actually quite happy with my life. I'm reconnecting with my Christian faith--if nothing else, to understand my earlier experiences. I'm still looking for love but I'm well on my way there, too.

Who *cares* about the gymbros? First of all, most of them are actually decent dudes. Secondly, for every one that's a tard, you'll have like five dudes that aren't.

Do or do not.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 26, 2018 1:05 AM  

@69

>> If Eduardo the Smart Boy could actually contribute to the conversation he would know not to use asinine smiley faces and exaggerated spelling.

> Greay, RELAX! It is just smiley faces!

That sounds just as stupid as the "relax, it's just bantz" crowd.

I've been biting my tongue, so to speak, on the subject, but seriously, over 90% of your comments contain some face-like ideograph.

And not normal ones like :-), but completely oddball ones like xD and o_O and other stuff which if it weren't for your name on each post, makes them look as if they were written by a 13-year old girl.

STOP IT!

Blogger SciVo November 26, 2018 5:49 AM  

Unknown wrote:Semi-related, thank you for your recent answer to someone else in a Darkstream regarding Christian denominations and Mere Christianity. I've been working on reading it and Summa Theologica for a while now, and have the Bible by my bed to read next, starting with the New Testament. At this point, about 13 questions in to the Thomas Aquinas, I'm thinking I'm past the useful point of it for me at this time, though I'm glad I read what I did.

The bible I have is the Exegeses Parallel Bible, based on the KJV. If you or anyone else is familiar with it, is this a reasonable bible to start with, or should I look for a different copy?


Just from the name it sounds awesome. KJV good, parallel good, exegesis good (so many don't even know what that is).

Stalled at 13 points into Aquinas, it sounds to me like what you need right now is someone else to bounce thoughts off of. There is a lot more leeway there than you might think; I actually got a lot of benefit from a regular Bible study with a friend who was an ex-cultist reactionary unbeliever. (And we did it at the bar, because why not.)

Cast your net wide and pray, I hope you find a friend copacetic to where you're at.

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Blogger SciVo November 26, 2018 6:17 AM  

And can I just say:

"Raising a family to serve as the foundation of future generations is how Man rebels against an uncaring universe, a fallen world, and the spirits of despair and destruction."

That is so "Humanity, F*** Yeah!"

Blogger Bernardo Tavares November 26, 2018 6:50 AM  

Is there a way to buy it that is not through Amazon?

Blogger VD November 26, 2018 7:23 AM  

Is there a way to buy it that is not through Amazon?

Soon, but not yet.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia November 26, 2018 10:59 AM  

1. Embrace the iron. 2. Take the wheel 3. Envision perfection and pursue excellence

These three critical rules fall into what I call "Life as an athletic endeavor" category. You must train, you must get on the field and perform, you must visualize success.

When one of my nephews was playing high level soccer, his coach -- an accomplished professional in his day -- would say to his team:

"Play correctly, play intensely, play creatively. Do those three things, and the winning will come, and the losing will be instructive."


Blogger Johnny November 26, 2018 11:48 AM  

>>1. Embrace the iron.

Thumbs up on that. I have been doing it for around two years as an exercise program with muscle building a less important benefit. Less boring than most of the exercise stuff and good outcomes for general health.

Blogger Door in the Hill November 26, 2018 1:30 PM  

@109 SciVo
"Just from the name it sounds awesome. KJV good, parallel good, exegesis good (so many don't even know what that is).

Stalled at 13 points into Aquinas, it sounds to me like what you need right now is someone else to bounce thoughts off of. There is a lot more leeway there than you might think; I actually got a lot of benefit from a regular Bible study with a friend who was an ex-cultist reactionary unbeliever. (And we did it at the bar, because why not.)

Cast your net wide and pray, I hope you find a friend copacetic to where you're at."

Thank you. I would say I'm not so much stalled on the Aquinas, as it is getting into things that aren't yet relevant to where I am at this time. Thus, putting my focus on the Bible instead, at least for now.

Right now I would best describe myself as some kind of Deist, and have been convinced mostly from reading here that it is time for me to read the primary Christian sources.

Blogger theartistformerlyknownasgeorge November 26, 2018 6:48 PM  

I really appreciated Jordanetics and definitely agree with your list here.

I wasn't aware of the some of the globalist affiliations and a few of the other details, but he was already losing me on his misrepresentation of nationalism, betrayal of Faith Goldy, his laziness about the bible series, and his utter BS about his long sleep deprivation and touting the carnivore diet, but the other stuff put me over the edge from someone I disagree with on a number of things to someone who's agenda is indeed dangerous.

Blogger All Day Coffee break November 26, 2018 10:15 PM  

So like a year and a half ago someone posted a link to a jenkinsverse story. It may have been you and if it was, thank you.

Blogger SciVo November 27, 2018 1:20 AM  

Probably, and if so, you're welcome!

Door in the Hill wrote:Right now I would best describe myself as some kind of Deist, and have been convinced mostly from reading here that it is time for me to read the primary Christian sources.

Aha! In that case, I think that you would find C.S. Lewis to be a more useful companion to the Bible than the Doctors of the Church. Once you are well-grounded in the original and current views, the scenery of the journey between will be of more interest.

Blogger SciVo November 27, 2018 4:24 AM  

Whoops, I see you're already reading Mere Christianity. Well... carry on!

Blogger Door in the Hill November 27, 2018 4:59 AM  

@119 SciVo
"Aha! In that case, I think that you would find C.S. Lewis to be a more useful companion to the Bible than the Doctors of the Church. Once you are well-grounded in the original and current views, the scenery of the journey between will be of more interest."

Glad to know I'm on a good path here. However it turns out, it's a fun and worthwhile journey so far.

Is there anything particular you would recommend reading after Mere Christianity, which I'm nearly done with?

Blogger Unbearified Fred December 01, 2018 12:21 AM  

Great post!

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Blogger Unknown December 01, 2018 10:52 PM  

Size is relative. If your ego is the size of jupiter, a truckload is small indeed.

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