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Wednesday, November 28, 2018

Comic size poll

About 10 months ago, we requested from our printer the ability to print comics in the traditional size, which is 6.625 x 10.25, and is a little bit wider and just over an inch taller than the royal octavo size that we have been using. This week, our printer made the standard size available to us, the only downside is that it is a little more expensive so we cannot offer a wholesale discount and still keep the retail price at $2.99 price. We've decided to do that since our primary focus is on the backers and the Premium editions will be available at wholesale for the comic stores. They will also feature a heavier paper weight so the comics will be .71" thick compared to .54".

So, our current plan is to complete the first six Alt-Hero comics in the current size, then switch over to the standard size with issue #7. We will begin Alt-Hero Q with the standard size too; the Premium Issues and the Omnibuses will still be produced in the larger 10 x 7 size since that is considered a standard alternative size. The price of the digital editions will remain at $2.99 for both the Kindle and CBZ versions, both of which will continue to be free to the backers.

We have not made any decisions about Chuck Dixon's Avalon or Quantum Mortis: A Man Disrupted. Right Ho, Jeeves is going to be released very soon in a 10x7 omnibus paperback.

However, we are in the process of preparing Alt-Hero #5 for print and we could still produce it at the standard size instead of the current one, as we were planning. So, if you have an opinion about whether you would rather have AH#5 in the current size or the standard one, please share it here. While we do plan to go back and offer AH issues #1-4 in standard sizes, that will not be a priority since our first job will be to produce the six-issue omnibuses for the campaign backers, which happen to be the same size as the Premium Issues.

UPDATE: Based on the initial feedback we have tentatively decided to produce the gold logo editions of #5 and #6 at the current royal octavo size, then switch to the standard size with the regular logo editions. Beginning with #7, the gold logo editions will be standard size. So, the royal octavos will be severely limited collector's editions.

Please feel free to share your thoughts, especially if you are an Arkhaven backer, and vote in the poll at Arkhaven Comics. We expect to have the high-resolution CBZ for sale in the Arkhaven shop later this week, the print edition for sale on Arkhaven Direct next week, and to launch last 28 days of the AH:Q 2.1 campaign next week as well.

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37 Comments:

Blogger Teleros November 28, 2018 5:48 AM  

Though I prefer the larger ones, it seems business-wise the smart thing to do would be to go for the smaller size. Doubly so if there's more money coming back to Arkhaven via the increased price.

Blogger CoolHand November 28, 2018 5:53 AM  

Steer the ship as you see fit Vox, the ride's been fine so far.

Half or three quarters of an inch one way or the other doesn't make much difference to me.

I'm in if they're normal sized, and I'm in if they're midget sized.

Blogger VD November 28, 2018 5:55 AM  

You appear to have it backwards. The standard size is actually LARGER, with 67.91 square inches compared to 56.55 square inches for the current size. The standard size will retail for $3.99, the current size for $2.99.

My main concern is that the new standard size comics will be larger than the first four issues. As a book collector myself, this strikes me as annoying. The natural break-point would be after Issue #6, but we could set it after Issue #4. They'll all be collected in the same 10x7 size in the omnibuses regardless.

We are starting the print production tomorrow, so this needs to be decided rather quickly.

Blogger Christopher Parent November 28, 2018 5:59 AM  

I prefer the smaller size and I used to collect comics in the 80s and 90s (purchased thousands over my lifetime). The lower price is a bonus.

If you could offer both I'd by the smaller ones. If business sense demands you print standard size then do that. I do wonder if people who prefer the standard size still buy the smaller size because of the lower price.

Blogger Ron November 28, 2018 6:08 AM  

I'd go with the standard size.

And yes, what is that?

Blogger #7139 November 28, 2018 6:11 AM  

Alt Hero backer here. I have purchased issues 1 thru 4 and would prefer issues 5 & 6 in the current smaller size. Switching to the larger format right now would bug me a little.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 28, 2018 6:12 AM  

Go with changing size at the natural break-point. Everyone will thank you down the road.

Blogger The Observer November 28, 2018 6:30 AM  

Whichever makes more business sense will be best.

Blogger Teleros November 28, 2018 6:31 AM  

Let's hope that's my only derp moment of the day...

My main concern is that the new standard size comics will be larger than the first four issues. As a book collector myself, this strikes me as annoying.

Ditto. Given that I had it backwards re sizes, I say stick with the current ones, and as @7 says find a natural break point to change sizes.

Blogger VD November 28, 2018 6:34 AM  

Here is another thought: do the gold logo editions in the smaller size for the next two issues, then switch to the larger size when we make the logo switch. That way, the collectors can all get their complete set of 1-6 in the smaller size, but we can get an earlier start on the transition.

Blogger CoolHand November 28, 2018 6:39 AM  

@10 I like that idea.

A complete set of the gold logos in the small format will be collector's gold a few years down the road.

Anonymous Anonymous November 28, 2018 6:43 AM  

I'd say go with the natural break point. It'd bug me to have different sizes within a set.

I'm hanging out for the omnibus print version tho, so my vote doesn't mean too much in this case.

Blogger dtungsten November 28, 2018 6:45 AM  

I think the same on this, you absolutely should start after issue 6.

Thanks.

Blogger Man of the Atom November 28, 2018 6:51 AM  

@10 Vox, that idea is win. Yes, collectors will appreciate your consideration to close out the first six issue set in the same format/size.

Blogger dtungsten November 28, 2018 6:54 AM  

I agree with CoolHand about the gold logo editions idea.

Blogger Joshua_D November 28, 2018 7:12 AM  

I'm an Alt Hero backer. I would prefer you continue to use the current size as well.

"Here is another thought: do the gold logo editions in the smaller size for the next two issues, then switch to the larger size when we make the logo switch. That way, the collectors can all get their complete set of 1-6 in the smaller size, but we can get an earlier start on the transition."

Yes. This would be great.

Blogger VD November 28, 2018 7:33 AM  

I'm an Alt Hero backer. I would prefer you continue to use the current size as well.

Permanently or for the next two issues?

Blogger Jemison Thorsby November 28, 2018 7:39 AM  

As a backer, I vote to finish the first set of six in the same size, then switch to the new standard with AH#7.

Blogger Blaidd November 28, 2018 7:40 AM  

I would prefer the change after #6.

Blogger VD November 28, 2018 7:42 AM  

As a backer, I vote to finish the first set of six in the same size, then switch to the new standard with AH#7.

What do you think of the idea of doing the gold logos in octavo - the current size - then switching to standard with the regular logos?

After talking with Markku, we have decided to keep the price on the smaller ones at $2.99 regardless of the size. The comic stores can either buy them at a lower discount or carry the full-discount premium editions; the backers always come first.

Blogger Silent Draco November 28, 2018 7:43 AM  

Backer here. Continue with the royal octave through AH #6, then switch. I like the thought of switching gold logo with the size change, so royal octave collection in gold remains unique.

Blogger Avalanche November 28, 2018 7:53 AM  

@10 "do the gold logo editions in the smaller size"

Agree. I'm the same kind of book collector -- a series should be a series...

Blogger James Dixon November 28, 2018 8:02 AM  

I'm only getting the electronic edition, but in the interest of those who are collecting, I'd say keep the size the same for the collection and then change.

Blogger Silly but True November 28, 2018 9:05 AM  

I’m good with that.

It’s an interesting issue: layout creation aside, “size doesn’t matter” for ebooks. But we’re not quite yet into fully ebook market.

For the print market, comic size is an outsized issue of significance for whatever reasons — and there are many valid ones to the insane ones (comic epochs by physical size, etc.)

I prefer keeping runs together (break at #6 for example), but I’m also good with original runs in original sizes whatever they may be. I mean who knows with comic trends: If there’s another physical reprinting of of 1-4 in larger size, the original small size copies could by Arkhaven’s own “TMNT #1.”

Do what’s best for your bottom line; we all can make do.

Blogger Dave November 28, 2018 9:13 AM  

VD wrote:Here is another thought: do the gold logo editions in the smaller size for the next two issues, then switch to the larger size when we make the logo switch. That way, the collectors can all get their complete set of 1-6 in the smaller size, but we can get an earlier start on the transition.

As a backer, I agree with Vox, this appears to be a good compromise. If it was just up to me, I would say make the transition now, as this so-called natural break point is somewhat artificial anyway. What does Alex Jones care if they're the same thru #6 or #4? Do they even notice gold logo versions?

Are there other differences in the Premium over the standard besides 3/8 inch wider and 1/4 inch taller? That's a rather negligible size difference if that's all it is.

Blogger VD November 28, 2018 9:18 AM  

Are there other differences in the Premium over the standard besides 3/8 inch wider and 1/4 inch taller?

Different covers, duplex covers. They were supposed to have heavier paper than the standard ones, but we worked out an arrangement where all of our comics will have it now. They are worth doing, though, because we have to do all the work producing them in order to produce the omnibuses and the comic stores will prefer them to the standard ones.

Blogger Dave November 28, 2018 9:23 AM  

Is that a photo of Ryu no Seishin on the board? WTH have they done to her? Is Pin Stripes referring to her as a clown? or The Hammer?

Blogger Dave November 28, 2018 9:40 AM  

Ok, I thought they were different covers. The duplex covers will only be on the Premium or eventually all versions?

By the way, won't it be a little strange the Helix Haze Premium cover for Issue #4 will have a different art style compared to Cosmic's work on the rest of the issue? I presume the interior art will remain unchanged?

Blogger Mark Cook November 28, 2018 9:46 AM  

Prefer Issues 1-6 be the same size.

Blogger VD November 28, 2018 10:00 AM  

The duplex covers will only be on the Premium or eventually all versions?

Premium only.

won't it be a little strange the Helix Haze Premium cover for Issue #4 will have a different art style compared to Cosmic's work on the rest of the issue?

Not in the least. That's entirely normal.

I presume the interior art will remain unchanged?

For the most part, yes. We relettered Issue #1 and made some minor layout changes.

Blogger VD November 28, 2018 10:02 AM  

Is that a photo of Ryu no Seishin on the board?

It's her, but not a photo. It's a witness sketch by one of the director's children.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 28, 2018 10:14 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:Go with changing size at the natural break-point. Everyone will thank you down the road.
To quote Adrian Monk "You'll thank me later."

Blogger Dave November 28, 2018 11:16 AM  

It's her, but not a photo. It's a witness sketch by one of the director's children.

Heh, that's gotta stick in his craw, all the surveillance technology at the Director's fingertips and he is forced to rely on a sketch from his minor child.

Blogger Blaidd November 28, 2018 11:56 AM  

What do you think of the idea of doing the gold logos in octavo - the current size - then switching to standard with the regular logos?

I'm good with this.

Blogger Josh Randle November 28, 2018 12:13 PM  

Question Vox, which version is more of a collectable version of alt-hero 3, the one where rebel has a Confederate costume or the one where it was changed? I'm not sure what the status is on that particular issue. Did you go back to the Confederate costume version or are you sticking with the non Confederate costume?

Blogger VD November 28, 2018 12:30 PM  

Did you go back to the Confederate costume version or are you sticking with the non Confederate costume?

Definitely Confederate. We're not selling it on Amazon.

Blogger Gus Gruel November 28, 2018 2:24 PM  

I am not a backer but I buy the single issues. I prefer the current size.

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