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Friday, November 16, 2018

Darkstream: Decision time for Donald Trump


From the transcript of the Darkstream:

Not stick not stay that bag STATCOM and Amy's to shake the happy a finish big medics begin my humanity is biggest angle. He started haven't been I didn't birthday last couple days I've been a little busy trying to get away it has a book on pre-order heels it for a while. Maybe I do? Big Mike Patton okay hang on and it she yeah let me see that I can give you okay hmm seems to be going in and out okay are we doing any better yeah it looks like oh it's fixed okay, all right.

Seriously, that's the actual transcript. I appear to have had a mic issue there at the start. But doesn't it remind you of Jordan Peterson's lectures, at least just a little? Perhaps I should do them all that way. Anyhow, it's been disappointing to be reminded that not everyone is capable of grasping the basic idea that seeds planted in the spring face different prospects than those planted in the fall or winter.

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169 Comments:

Blogger Patrick Kelly November 16, 2018 2:30 PM  

I heard the opposite problem on other streams I've watched recently, voices sounding like extreme low, slow Darth Vader demonz or something like that.

Don't know if it's targeted "technical difficulties", or YT is just having problems, or ??

Blogger Nate November 16, 2018 2:49 PM  

We've been writing about this for the last several days... but what Trump needs to do is steal the student loan issue from the Dems' He should come out and challenge the House to bring him a bill that would forgive student loan debt.

Watch the dems squirm. Enjoy the Trumpslide.

Blogger IrishFarmer November 16, 2018 2:53 PM  

I'm not sure about this trumpslide anymore. I normally don't get discouraged but Trump has screwed up so many times by now and failed to deliver on so much that I'm starting to teeter towards not caring anymore. I mean I'll vote R just because why not? But at this rate I have almost no hope that trump will win and I'm starting not to care either way. Except that Trump is somewhat accelerationist, but that's about it.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma November 16, 2018 3:12 PM  

Jordan Peterson Takes On Burger King
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-tlZY9NEMk

I played this to a Peterson fanatic; still don't know if he ever figured it out, despite a 115+ IQ.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction November 16, 2018 3:15 PM  

Take he defeatism elsewhere

Blogger IrishFarmer November 16, 2018 3:27 PM  

Ok.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams November 16, 2018 3:45 PM  

Vox's transcripter is one of the greatest thinkers of our time.

Blogger I DontTroll November 16, 2018 4:04 PM  

OT: Via Cernovich - Bay area rep talking about gov't using nukes on the people if they get cranky about repealing 2A.

https://twitter.com/repswalwell/status/1063527635114852352

Blogger pyrrhus November 16, 2018 4:04 PM  

@2 "We've been writing about this for the last several days... but what Trump needs to do is steal the student loan issue from the Dems' He should come out and challenge the House to bring him a bill that would forgive student loan debt."

There are so many good issues Trump could steal that would gain him votes, maybe lots of votes. Pulling out of Afghanistan, pushing through CCRecip and hearing protection acts, a student loans bankruptcy provision, halting the illegals, and cutting way back on H1Bs...It's disheartening that he hasn't done any of them, and only seems to listen to Beltway liberals and neocons.

Blogger Johnny November 16, 2018 4:27 PM  

>>what Trump needs to do is steal the student loan issue from the Dems' He should come out and challenge the House to bring him a bill that would forgive student loan debt.

Going against your own constituency does work in presidential politics, provided it isn't excessive. I take this to be too much. Plus it wouldn't surprise me if the Democrats when right along. It is the kind of thing they are apt to propose. Plus the gov is going to be on the hook for a lot of this money anyway, come the next bank blowup.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim November 16, 2018 4:39 PM  

Here is what should be a wake-up call to the civ-nationalist cucks. Even military service does not change tribal preferences. Yes, even the servicemen has to go back...
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/11/15/national-guard-soldier-arrested-charged-with-smuggling-mexican-nationals-into-us/

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim November 16, 2018 4:39 PM  

Sterling Pilgrim wrote:Here is what should be a wake-up call to the civ-nationalist cucks. Even military service does not change tribal preferences. Yes, even the servicemen has to go back...

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/11/15/national-guard-soldier-arrested-charged-with-smuggling-mexican-nationals-into-us/


**serviceman

Blogger DJT November 16, 2018 4:39 PM  

Did the election results shake Trump, or what? Seems entirely listless at this point. I pray he his plotting something big behind the scenes, but as yet its too much talk and not enough action.

Why don't rules of engagement include shooting people who cross the border to climb the fence?

Blogger #6277 Hammer November 16, 2018 4:40 PM  

Heian-kyo Dreams - "Vox's transcripter is one of the greatest thinkers of our time."

Indeed. Even better than DaGreatBooksForMen

Blogger Gen. Kong November 16, 2018 4:41 PM  

Nate wrote:

We've been writing about this for the last several days... but what Trump needs to do is steal the student loan issue from the Dems' He should come out and challenge the House to bring him a bill that would forgive student loan debt.

Watch the dems squirm. Enjoy the Trumpslide.


That would be a good way for him to both gain votes from the idiocracy (those dumb enough to go into debt for worthless pieces of paper generated by SJW-owned institutions), and cut off some of the debt-racketeering money for the Satanists who own the banks. Trump might very well be boxed in by the deep-state at this point. He obviously has no control over DOJ, FBI, Dept. of State and whole sectors of the DOD. The Bushevik female head of DHS may well have stabbed him in the back to boot.

As VD noted in the Darkstream, it's entirely possible that nobody could have reversed or even slowed the Banana Empire's ultimate collapse and break-up. My own opinion is that Trump truly wanted to soften the landing but it looks like the black hats simply aren't going to allow it. Still he's surprised everyone in the past so it's not over until it's really over. Bowing to a blackrobe's whim over who can attend the WH press conference is not a good sign, but then again we have a full scale invasion from Mexico and outright theft of elections in numerous locales going on. Both of these issues are considerably more urgent than some depraved blackrobe emitting penumbras and emanations.

Blogger lowercaseb November 16, 2018 4:48 PM  

"Not stick not stay that bag STATCOM and Amy's to shake the happy a finish big medics begin my humanity is biggest angle."

That's a feature...not a bug. That is some Kirby level of word jazz there!

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 4:54 PM  

Trump needs to stay away from student loans-- it is a bad situation where trying to do something will always hurt. Lots of idiot youngsters who don't like math partied for years on a debt load dime and now whine they have to pay it back. The number of entitled you paid for their "dream school" with a "credit card" backed by the government with no concern for return on investment deserve what they get.

Too much of America, saved for years to pay their kids way through school. Some rich could pay for Ivies, but most states have a good school that is reasonable-- a state schools work for the debt-minded. Someone today paying t $60K a year for a degree in advanced social studies-- well they get what they deserve. . Even the midwits should be able to figure out schooling and its potential return.

I know the poor babies that have debt will cry- but I know many a youngster that went to 2 years of community college and then spent two years at state school to keep debt way down. I view this as the first winnowing of the new generation-- those wise enough to keep debt limited to what they reasonably can expect to make and the fools-- who might vote, but will tend to only make more bad choices.

YMMV

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 16, 2018 4:55 PM  

In a recent post on his site, Anonymous Conservative was also discussing the theory that Trump is constrained in ways that we don't fully realize. There's a lot of evidence to support that idea.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 16, 2018 5:02 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:That would be a good way for him to both gain votes from the idiocracy (those dumb enough to go into debt for worthless pieces of paper generated by SJW-owned institutions), and cut off some of the debt-racketeering money for the Satanists who own the banks.
More importantly, it will collapse the education bubble Most of these institutions are in hock up to their eyebrows. Some, like the evergreen state college, have more staff than students.

@justaguy,
you are so completely wrong about this. Only a few retards like you will resent it.

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 5:10 PM  

#19: You might be right: Deciding to give everyone free college might be a great appeal for votes-- as forgiving students debts is more than free college. I didn't know that Bernie voters had a voice here. Socialism always has lots of yes votes-- but it destroys in the end.

So does debt forgiveness that only helps the most foolish-- just like mortgage forgiveness. Hell let's just give everyone $1M too.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 16, 2018 5:12 PM  

Just a guy,

Would the nation be better off if we'd just paid off everyone's mortgages or paid off the bankers?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 16, 2018 5:14 PM  

Justaguy,

I know you're a libertarian, so I'll make it easy for you. Very few people are rational actors on any subject, especially on personal economic issues. Read The B8ble if you're in doubt. God is literally, physically, standing in front of people, right in front of them in their faces, and they still choose poorly.

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 5:17 PM  

Neither. At least with student debt, there are years of forced effort to pay it off and the debt never leaves the fool who initially spent the $-- in 20 years the student still owes the $. It becomes a lesson for the future-- as it already is. Does anyone think that a parent doesn't think about the student debt their kid is taking on?--

I like the winnowing process-- does the kid have common sense or is he a fool who is soon parted from his money.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 16, 2018 5:19 PM  

Neither isn't an option, and your libertarian autism is showing.

What kind of long term societal damage is the student loan debt bubble doing?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 16, 2018 5:20 PM  

What we don't want is a situation where student loans are forgiven and then the next generation of students finds itself just as heavily indebted 15 years later. So it's vital to end the artificial scarcity of education that's been created by the universities, and this could be done by modernizing the credentialing system.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 16, 2018 5:21 PM  

The loans must be forgiven, then the federal educational structure torn down to the ground, so that not one brick is not standing on another.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 16, 2018 5:24 PM  

Rich kids don't worry about tuition and nonwhites get all sorts of financial aid. Student loans are a system of indentured servitude for white middle class kids.

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 5:25 PM  

So Sgt== you are saying the government should take care of people even against their irrational behavior? How very Mao of you.

The sooner that youngsters learn that the world is not utopia and there are consequences for actions the better. BSA used to try to teach young men this-- who knows now.

The world will always break the hearts of those seeking utopia. I'd rather there not even be any government involvement in loans because of the very bad unanticipated side effects. No government guarantee- and parents have to put their house up if idiot kid is going to a "good school" as opposed to the even better state school.

However we have what we have--This was broken before Obama screwed this up even further and we are left with a severe winnowing process. I don't see a way realistically to fix it and not worth fixing. I hope we never think that giving some people $ but not others ever becomes possible--- same issues were on debate after 2008--- how to forgive mortgages. Think what started the Tea Party-- bail out your neighbor who bought a bigger house than you....

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 5:26 PM  

#27: only the really dumb ones. There are too many ways to minimize debt with state schools.

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 5:28 PM  

SGT: of course neither is an option. the political class gets by all the time by kicking the can down the road. This one fixes itself as people shake their heads over idiots that willingly take on over $100K debt with little or no job prospects. Of course only the government could get this so wrong but...

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 5:31 PM  

#26: Tearing down the educational structure is an even bigger pipe dream than anything else. It has too strong a support structure in the political class. It may get smaller, but tear it down.... give me any credible scenario where the left gives up their ownership of the university system.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 16, 2018 5:34 PM  

"There are too many ways to minimize debt with state schools."

Now that's rich, not to mention completely schizo. You're opposed to forgiving student loans but fine with the state paying for education in the first place.

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 5:34 PM  

Realize the left likes having a class that is beaten down. Why would the left actually change this-- they get all of the dumb, now in debt people of each generation. They can give them small things.

However, consequences for ones actions is part of reality-- the sooner we learn it the better if any society can go forward. Get rid of consequences and bigger failure just occur-- lemming over a cliff

Blogger Don't Call Me Len November 16, 2018 5:36 PM  

There are too many ways to minimize debt with state schools

Good thing those "state schools" are totally self-supporting so the government does have to get involved.

It's also good that that there are no societal effects of widespread student loan debt, so we can be sure the only ones who suffer are those that deserve it. A utopia indeed.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len November 16, 2018 5:37 PM  

the government *doesn't* have

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 16, 2018 5:38 PM  

Justaguy believes in slavery, but only of whites.
Because they deserve it.
Fuck you and your spergy mother too.

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 5:39 PM  

#32: Parents pay taxes into a state and the state has to keep a lid on the university costs and system. At least there's some feedback to the state system. Additionally, with federalism, each state runs their own state school university system. Most have some very good schools. Look at the recent study showing how many fortune 500 company CEOs didn't go to ivies (over 1/2). Still better than giving the idiots lots of $ and not others.

US isn't ready yet for more than means tested welfare. When you are ready for reparations of large $ to all blacks, even if first generation African immigrant-- then you can be for student loan forgiveness

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 5:43 PM  

#36. Why is paying back debt slavery? Why is keeping your credit card low some form of class betrayal. Few whites like race based quotas, but they happen. I believe in working with what we have and only fixing what will not cause more harm.

Giving idiots lots of $ and not giving to those who took different paths to keep debt down is harmful. MEans tested welfare, although abused is easily different than handing out $ to some and not others.

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 5:46 PM  

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Blogger The Cooler November 16, 2018 5:47 PM  

Two things and Trump goes into the annuls as the greatest, yet occasionally controversial, president of the (former) United States of America; the man that ultimately softened the blow of what was to come:

1.) Student debt forgiveness
2.) Send 'America' to Mars.

That's it. Regardless of the temptation to over-complicate what is, at this point, management of the decay.

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 5:47 PM  

#34: Nothing about this is utopia-- it is the society that the leftist gave us. We have what we have-- who care about libertarians (I'm not) What helps the most is the question.. Breaking the idea of equality between people, above that affirmative action that is being slowly ended, is even worse than what we have already done to ourselves.

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 5:49 PM  

MAGA except for my case!!!

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 16, 2018 5:56 PM  

@42 I have never owed anything in student loans either, but you don't see me whining "WHAT ABOUT MEEEEEE?" That's because this about the well being of the nation. My peers being impoverished to the point that they can't afford to buy homes and have children, while their monthly payments go to subsidize Manhattan apartments and multimillion dollar mansions in the DC suburbs, does nothing to improve my life. Quite the opposite.

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 5:58 PM  

Let's look at % of people and debt load. Equality is nothing to give up quickly. Forgiving some and not others is all about the relationship between people and government not how they have to face the consequences of their actions.

Blogger A rebel without a General November 16, 2018 5:59 PM  

Either Vox is correct and its a mic error or he had a stroke.

Blogger The Cooler November 16, 2018 6:00 PM  

Bless your heart, justaguy.

If only Americana.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 16, 2018 6:02 PM  

"Equality is nothing to give up quickly."

Do you even read this blog or do you come here just to post nonsense?

Blogger Garuna November 16, 2018 6:02 PM  

@justaguy

Quit white knighting for the university scam. They sell teenagers a shit product with false advertising and propaganda. And then use the power of the state to make it one of the few kinds of debt that cannot be forgiven, on the same level as criminal fines.

It would be a great day for America when universities learn they won't see any of that money they scammed outta teens.

Blogger The Cooler November 16, 2018 6:14 PM  

I have a dream.

There is no king but Jesus. Meritocracy is the rule of the day. I buy my things at Mom and Pop stores. I earn my way. I worry about my children loving my wife, but not me. My doors are unlocked.

justaguy is my neighbor.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 16, 2018 6:21 PM  

It's amazing how libertarians would destroy Western Civilization if they ever got the chance. And they wouldn't even realize they were doing it.

Blogger SirHamster November 16, 2018 6:23 PM  

Debt Jubilee. Not fair, but necessary.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 16, 2018 6:25 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:And they wouldn't even realize they were doing it.
It's just so UNFAIR, dammit!

Blogger Johnny November 16, 2018 6:31 PM  

Garuna wrote:It would be a great day for America when universities learn they won't see any of that money they scammed outta teens.

Well, news alert, they have already seen the money. If it blows up, when it blows up, the rest of us will pick up the tab for banks that are too big to fail.

If the political muscle to do something can be had, there are always the endowment trusts and pension funds. At the least make the earnings of these vehicles taxable for a start.

Blogger Johnny November 16, 2018 6:33 PM  

>>Debt Jubilee. Not fair, but necessary.

An inflation spiral is the modern method.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 16, 2018 6:33 PM  

Gotta go with Nate on this one. "Student loan forgiveness" makes me think of irresponsible weedhead communications majors like everyone else, but that's not the whole story. There are a lot of decent kids and parents who *were* trying to do the responsible thing by taking on student loan debt, because our entire society said the most important thing you could do for your future is get at least a bachelors degree. Without a degree, you couldn't get a decent job, and certainly couldn't afford to support a family. So the long-term responsible thing to do was to get a degree whatever it took, and then figure it out from there as your parents did. Everyone in the system, from lenders to high school guidance counselors, sold them a bill of goods that said it was doable. And in many cases, the same elites who profited from it exported or destroyed the wages of the jobs they were studying for.

Neither I or my family have any oppressive student loans that I know of, because we're the pay-as-you-go types who did use community college or learn a trade. That doesn't mean I can't see it's the right thing to do, even if it helps out some lazy losers along with the ones who honestly got screwed because they did what all the other responsible citizens were doing.

As a political football, it's great. Other than tribal loyalty, there are three things that currently get people to vote Democrat: fixing health care, student loan relief, and legal weed. No matter the evidence to the contrary, most people believe the Democrats give them a better shot at those things. Promising to work on any of them doesn't change that perception, as we saw in the midterms with health care. Actually *doing* one could. I vote for student loans.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 16, 2018 6:37 PM  

How many college loan debt slaves would rejoice at this development? And don't forget that the debt us pure slavery now, as it is not dischargeable, even during bankruptcy. So the only way to get out possibly is suicide. But that is okay with justalibertarianmoronguy.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 16, 2018 6:38 PM  

Confiscating the Ivies endowment funds to pay off student loans would work nicely.
Harvard has what, 30+ billion? I'm sure they would be willing to give half that to the underprivileged.

Blogger S1AL November 16, 2018 6:51 PM  

Stg58, the best comment I ever heard about that was the guy who noted that at 18, you can't get beer but you can get $300,000 in student loans.

Blogger Johnny November 16, 2018 6:53 PM  

A method of dealing with student loans that could actually be implemented if the political will were there to do it, would be to drop the (explicit or implicit) government guarantee of the principle. Banks could not cover the default risk with higher interest rates because that would make the payback size bigger and the student even less likely to pay. The whole thing would come crashing down. A softer landing could be had by having the gov cover only some the principle.

I say lets have a constitutional amendment to the effect that the gov can never cover more than some percentage of the principle of any debt other than its own. Not that the handout happy political class would actually have it happen.

Blogger Garuna November 16, 2018 6:55 PM  

We'll know if Trump is the president we need on December 7th with the potential govt shutdown over The Wall.

So far, he's been cucking on the Wall shutdown because the RINOs told him to be moderate to save the House. Since they RINOs failed anyways, we should now see Trump unleashed.

If he gets full Wall funding it'll be a major whitepill. If he fights but loses, it means there is hope. If he cucks again without even putting up a fight, it'll become clear that he won't fulfill his potential.

Blogger Johnny November 16, 2018 6:59 PM  

Ingot9455 wrote:Confiscating the Ivies endowment funds to pay off student loans would work nicely.

Harvard has what, 30+ billion? I'm sure they would be willing to give half that to the underprivileged.


Good idea and workable, except that student debt is over a trillion. But then a billion here and a billion there, and eventually it would add up to real money. Plus let the professor class share their pension funds with the poor students...

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 7:38 PM  

@21

"Would the nation be better off if we'd just paid off everyone's mortgages or paid off the bankers?"

Paying off everyone's mortgages.
If you paid off the bankers, the mortgages would still be outstanding AND the banker's would inflate the amount of outstanding debt owed to them by a factor of 10 if not more.

The BEST solution for the country would be paying off everyone's mortgage and shooting everyone in the banking industry above the level of branch manager.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 16, 2018 7:49 PM  

"More jobs than ever for blacks and hispanics" does not do a thing to keep them from voting for black and hispanic socialists.
Voting for ex-cons is not going to do a thing for making them vote for anything other than democrats.
Loan forgiveness is not going to make college-indoctrinated leftists suddenly have a change of heart.
Yes college is a scam. We know that.

I get a feeling that Trump is either going to wake up or go down in flames trying to be nice to people who hate him and want everybody who they think likes him dead, their children sex-changed or gayed up, and their nation cucked and colonized. They'll settle for nothing less. We're dealing with people who beholden to darkness that they have signed onto evil and know it. Even if they could be said to be misguided or broken, they are beyond redemption. Tolkien even described such people, humans, who fought for Sauron. His works are based on a lifetime of reading all of the old esoteric myths and fables. He was not kidding, and he hated metaphors.

Blogger Cinco November 16, 2018 8:01 PM  

Forgive student loan debt!? LOL. You are telling me that people stupid enough to accrue tens of thousands of dollars of debt to get a doctorate in music history are going to become conservatives if we forgive their debt!? No, we strip them of their right to vote until they can pay off their tax debt (and yes, reduced government loans are just that). Selling yourself into debt bondage at the age of 18 is literally my only criteria for forced sterilization.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 8:04 PM  

@44

"Let's look at % of people and debt load. Equality is nothing to give up quickly. Forgiving some and not others is all about the relationship between people and government not how they have to face the consequences of their actions. "

Do you have any idea how the (((university staff))) are in cahoots with the (((banks)))?

The entire purpose of this rampant skyrocketing tuition scheme is to siphon more and more wealth out of the white community into more and more members of the Jewish community ... first into the bloated staff (the dean:student ratio has increased by MORE THAN a factor of 10 since the 1980's), and then secondly in usery-level interest rates being charged by the banks.

If the fed-gov paid off all the student loans, the money would be disproportionately coming out of the financial class.

Which would be a GOOD THING.

Thomas Jefferson literally wrote that the ONLY severe threat to the American people would be the bankers -- by manipulating currency and other costs, would eat the public out of their homes. And that's EXACTLY what is happening right now.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 8:06 PM  

@50

"
"It's amazing how libertarians would destroy Western Civilization if they ever got the chance. And they wouldn't even realize they were doing it."

Realizing that about 8 years ago is how/why I stopped being not only a registered Libertarian, but even a libertarian.

I'm now a reactionary nationalist, with no party.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 8:10 PM  

@53

"Well, news alert, they have already seen the money. If it blows up, when it blows up, the rest of us will pick up the tab for banks that are too big to fail.

If the political muscle to do something can be had, there are always the endowment trusts and pension funds. At the least make the earnings of these vehicles taxable for a start."

Or just freeze the assets of those accounts from each institution, until the outstanding debt from that institution's graduates and other former students has been refunded to the federal government.

If they refuse, then start convening grand juries to review 10,000+ count fraud indictments, including interstate wire fraud.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 16, 2018 8:14 PM  

Cinco,

No one here has claimed it would make them conservative.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 8:20 PM  

If it's done NOW, the actual guilty parties can be the ones punished by seeing their big, gay retirement fund vanish, and their big, gay, |do-nothing but agitate for the destruction of education in their school" jobs get blown away with it.

Along with these things should be a stipulation that no professor who teaches factual material (physics, chem, engineering, history, English or foreign languages, agriculture, culinary arts, medicine) shall be cut from the faculty -- faculty cuts must, by virtue of not being protected, come from grievance studies, K-12 teachers' schools, sociology, psychology, etc.

A sudden collapse of the K-12 teacher's departments across the nation will force the K-12 system to hire, as full time faculty, people with real degrees, not these moronic

K-12 teacher applicant: "Uh, I majored in teaching.....?"

Interviewer: "What did you learn"

TA: "How to teach"

I: "Yes, but what did you learn how to teach?"

TA: "Uh..... " "Is that a trick question?"

Blogger Gen. Kong November 16, 2018 8:20 PM  

"Would the nation be better off if we'd just paid off everyone's mortgages or paid off the bankers?"

Both. You pay off the hapless debt-slaves from the seized endowments of places like Haaaaavahd, and pay off the bankstas in lead coin whose diameter is a bit less than a half-inch. It's far better payment than they deserve ... and they've fully earned every possible one many times over.

Blogger Jack Ward November 16, 2018 8:21 PM  

A lot of doubts about President Trump up page. I suggest caution and patience. I'm waiting until at least the end of Jan, 2019. A lot is due to happen in Jan. The EO on military tribunals goes hot; so I believe. The newbies in house and senate get sworn in. If Trump really is waiting on something it may be then. You got to have the tools of the trade; and GE gets a whole new toolbox in Jan. And, don't forget the 60K plus sealed indictments.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 8:22 PM  

@55
"As a political football, it's great. Other than tribal loyalty, there are three things that currently get people to vote Democrat: fixing health care, student loan relief, and legal weed. No matter the evidence to the contrary, most people believe the Democrats give them a better shot at those things. Promising to work on any of them doesn't change that perception, as we saw in the midterms with health care. Actually *doing* one could. I vote for student loans."

I have never had one single cent of student loan debt, and I wholeheartedly agree.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman November 16, 2018 8:24 PM  

"The loans must be forgiven, then the federal educational structure torn down to the ground, so that not one brick is not standing on another."

Amen to that!

Blogger Withrow Legge November 16, 2018 8:30 PM  

Ive wondered about student debt forgiveness for years. Seems like something easy to offer liberals , with the added side benefit of maybe bankrupting a few degree mills. Win win.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 8:33 PM  

Yes. We can not have "here's an amnesty, but no border wall" like Reagan signed.

Paying off the student debt must come with destruction of the entire student debt apparatus.

Purdue University and a few other colleges are addressing this head on. They are actively telling their students to NOT take out loans -- instead, the university is backing their education, with a contract for a slice of future earnings for X number of years.

High return majors like engineering have shorter payback periods with lower rates.

On the other hand, if you want to major in "[My skin be diffnt color]/[I haz a vagina] n youze owez me!" they're not even going to make the offer, because they're not expecting you to be able to pay back the funds, no matter what the conditions.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman November 16, 2018 8:52 PM  

The naysayers always like to trot out the trite examples of students taking on debt to major in music majors , underwater basket weaving and gender studies etc.." as examples for not forgiving student debt. However, truth be told most of the people suffering under crushing debt burdens are those who are working in the medical, legal, science and even engineering fields. They were told these degrees were the road to a comfortable lifestyle and under the the current hyper-regulated system the ONLY way to gain the necessary licenses necessary for employment in their perspective fields. Yet in reality these degrees ,and its attendant debt, made them an indentured worker bee for a wage slave system. Many bust their ass day in and day out providing the expertise and services we all rely on... all for a paycheck with rapidly diminishing purchasing power while paying debt for this "luxury" to the tune of 4-8%.
The only ones benefitting from this corrupt racket are banksters in Manhattan and Marxists in the universities. To hell with both of them. Forgive the debt, expropriate the endowment funds and raze the universities.

Blogger D. November 16, 2018 8:54 PM  

Stop the madness, stop the federal student loans. Bankrupt the bankrupt big EDU.

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 8:54 PM  

Let's cancel the loans for some because we think it is a good idea. Hello, Banana Republic anyone? While I have no love of bankers, I have a special hate for the Federal Reserve or the National Bank that has inflated our currency.

While I agree that the entire university system is corrupt and only getting worse, I can't see anything substantially changing it. the Left will defend their bastion to the death and making college free, with retro-active debt forgiveness for some but not to others is so toxic. What if we gave every 18 year old $XXXX upon turning 20 years old and made it retro-active for 40 years? That is at least defendable on equality ground, but is actually a horrible policy.

Why do the people on THIS blog even think to blame "the system" for the actions of people (it is the system fault they went into huge debt willingly)-- why not just sign up for serfdom to our better knowing masters right now. End debt, free college-- all down the same road. What everyone is really complaining about is the "unanticipated effect of a government policy" here the government intervention in school loan programs where they force $ to be available and do not allow bankruptcy. Sounds similar to the mortgage mess the government made-- force loans by government power, so banks dump loans to others and when everything collapses---

BTW-- I don't think that banks were really bailed out in 2008. -- except for loans that they paid back. Most banks had dumped the mortgage loans, and it was only a few of the big investment firms trying to make $ were short not your local banks) Now the Obama shovel ready bill shoveled $ to state union employees, but GE and others, only got low interest loans that they paid back. See Peter Walliston's "Hidden in Pain Sight" or even VD's few blogs on the 2008 debacle.

Blogger VD November 16, 2018 8:58 PM  

Why do the people on THIS blog even think to blame "the system" for the actions of people (it is the system fault they went into huge debt willingly)

Because it is the system that is to blame. Are you seriously going to blame literal children for committing themselves to decades of debt servitude at the heavy encouragement of nearly all of their parents and teachers?

I don't think that banks were really bailed out in 2008.

You have no idea what you're babbling about.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 8:59 PM  

Justaguy, are you even in touch with reality, or do you live up in the clouds with your theories, just like the ivory-towered leftists of the 1960's (who even MAD Magazine poked fun at numerous times).

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 16, 2018 8:59 PM  

[AUTISTIC SCREECHING]

You rail against the banksters, but protect them in the next breath.

This...is why you fail.

Blogger eclecticme November 16, 2018 8:59 PM  

"48. Garuna November 16, 2018 6:02 PM
Quit white knighting for the university scam. They sell teenagers a shit product with false advertising and propaganda. And then use the power of the state to make it one of the few kinds of debt that cannot be forgiven, on the same level as criminal fines."

Agree.
Who benefits? The universities.
1. Around 1972 it took 1 week of minimum wage work to buy X semester credit at a state university. Now it takes 6 weeks to buy the same number of credits. Sorry, no link. From memory. If you worked your way through college in the olden days please keep this in mind.

2. There are federal student loan forgiveness programs in place to forgive all conforming loans in 10 years to students who work for the govt or many NGOs/non-profits. So, overpaid, underworked federal govt employees can have their student loans forgiven after 10 years! Many are reaching the 10 year mark now only to find that the govt gave bad advice and screwed up so bad that their loans are not fogiven. I expect the feds to try to sneak more loan forgivness to the anointed ones in the near future.

3. Many EU nations provide free or reasonable university tuition, but they only allow around 10 or 20 percent of people to attend. The remainder go to tech schools, tech high schools, or aprenticeships. If the US shut down most universities we could do the same.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 16, 2018 9:01 PM  

Vox,

You say that Trump needs to go beyond the Constitution in order to save the American Empire.

...He needs to become a monarch. THAT is what must happen.

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 9:03 PM  

#79: Were some of the elites bailed out-- yes, who did little bushie have for a treasury sec?--an elite who panicked with him. But were BANKs bailed out? Investment firms had issues, but how many of them were taken over by someone else. The loans were passed off. The retail banks and normal banking was fine. Investment firms that had too much paper investments in mortgage backed securities-- they had problems. Heel, remember there were some firms that didn't want the forced government loans because they didn't need them. Treasury forced everyone to take them-- and almost all of them quickly paid it back--- So who really lost out on mortgage backed securities? Who knows. Lots of people had homes foreclosed-- yep that is what caused it when the housing bubble popped. etc. etc. and etc.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 16, 2018 9:04 PM  

My father paid for his master's degree in journalism from Columbia, with Jacque Barzun's signature on it, by driving a cab in NYC.

Blogger Lance E November 16, 2018 9:08 PM  

One bill, which (a) forgives student loan debt and (b) requires universities to cosign every loan. Problem solved.

Not that it would ever pass, or be introduced. But all this student-loan forgiveness stuff is fantasy anyway, so might as well go all the way.

Blogger eclecticme November 16, 2018 9:10 PM  

"@76. Welsh Woodsman November 16, 2018 8:52 PM
The naysayers always like to trot out the trite examples of students taking on debt to major in music majors , underwater basket weaving and gender studies etc.." as examples for not forgiving student debt. However, truth be told most of the people suffering under crushing debt burdens are those who are working in the medical, legal, science and even engineering fields. "

True. Those in the medical fields are lucky. Their jobs are protected by govt licenses and certificates, eg.g. MDs, RNs, etc. Foreigners have to jump through legal barriers to entry. Scientists and engineers are not so protected. Competent foreigners can take away jobs from US citizens. Note the number of H1-B workers. Also, some fields like SW and EE have short useful half lives for many until they are replaced.

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 9:12 PM  

#79: I think I disagree on who/what are banks versus the big investment firms. Investment banks , retail banks, SG etc. Federal Reserve to big investment firms versus local bank on main street, even if part of a chain, like BB&T. Big difference in bailout.

And I know that the system is geared to making us serfs-- why does one willingly go down that path-- I haven't accepted that people are not responsible for their own actions. Kind of an Anglo-Saxon thing I guess. Almost everything the Left has done for the last 100 years is geared toward their quest for power-- why wouldn't their takeover of colleges be the same?

When 25% or less initially left HS to college is different than 67% going--- but why not blame the adults. If it is the system that is to blame-- where is the limit for blaming the system not the person? -- I know of a few million jihadis that are products of the system and don't know any better?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 16, 2018 9:21 PM  

You're a gamma fuck head, Justaguy. Do you disagree, or do you think you do? Make up your mind.

Blogger eclecticme November 16, 2018 9:24 PM  

37. justaguy November 16, 2018 5:39 PM
... Look at the recent study showing how many fortune 500 company CEOs didn't go to ivies (over 1/2). ...

Have you noticed that this is not true for much of the fed govt? Look at the CVs of all the feds (CIA, FBI, DOJ) going after Trump and it will jump out at you. It is a Brahmin class but some can test their way in. After that they are in. No screw up is so bad that it cannot be covered up.

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 9:37 PM  

#37: The underlying assumption that state universities compete well against the ivies in the article giving data on Fortune 500 CEOs is that reaching the top spot is a meritocracy. Some of us still think that meritocracy is a good thing. Of course the government, or even non-profits aren't as merit based. Nothing the government does is merit based. Hell, in the 1950s, even Communist PArty member ship, where one tenet was overthrow of the US was forgivable by the right class of people-- and the government only gotten worse since then. This isn't fair, but hopefully it stay fair enough that some meritocracy exists and the trains can still run on time. Although certainly not the DC Metro system.

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 9:41 PM  

#86: How about an amendment that forgive student loans but of course then raises the age of voting and adulthood to 25. To say that 18-20 years old aren't old enough to take on contracts-- it is just too hard is to say that they are not adults. This Anglo-Saxon idea that once a man-- you had a say but were bound by your actions. You can't really have one but not the other and still be of the West can we? I yield to VD for the definitive answer on if this idea (adulthood equals say in govt but also responsible for actions) goes along with what is Western Civilization?

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 9:43 PM  

#89: Okay, I've been called enough names for now. I had no idea that debt forgiveness would be so big. This retired Boomer yields the floor and his heretical ideas of adulthood to the masses. I've said my piece and I thank VD for the floor to post my unpopular opinions.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 16, 2018 9:49 PM  

Boomer.

Every. Single. Time.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 16, 2018 9:50 PM  

Also amazing that the idea of monarchy becoming a possible solution, or that Trunp should become such a thing, is a remarkable development.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 16, 2018 9:50 PM  

justaguy, you're focusing on individual actions as if individuals were the only meaningful objects. This is your mistake.

Individuals are only one order of organism. Families are another, so are races, nations, communities, polities, corporations, etc.

Think of it like an aerodynamic system or more simply like a pneumatic one.

I personally may have always eschewed any form of debt, but that's me. In that aspect I represent probably less than half of one percent of the population here. It means nothing that I chose "don't ever go into debt" was a virtue.

Realistically, I was taught wrongly. Most people are taught that there are risks and rewards, and debt-into-investment is certainly a potential method of taking on risk to reach for reward. People do it all the time. People literally cannot live without doing things of that sort, though not necessarily economic debts in nature. You are born and raised and trained completely on other peoples' dime before you could ever fend for or support yourself, even to the limited, facade of an extent that self-containedly supporting yourself is possible (an efficient, winning strategy) in any lawful society for thousands of years.

College students are literally considered to be partially natal humans by modern society here. They are not generally considered to be optimally fit for the workforce. Whether or not it's true matters in terms of what they "should" be doing, but not in what they will be doing. Perception may not be reality, but expectation certainly shapes reality.

And there it is. They are not considered to be optimal, complete adults before going through college. College is often a scam. Who do you punish, the kids who got brainwashed, or the adults taking them as slaves? Certainly the kids play a part in their enslavement, but that part is very minor by comparison, and the blame for it distributes throughout the entire societal system guiding them toward that con game.

Blogger John Calla November 16, 2018 9:53 PM  

A lot can happen in two years, but it'll have to be a lot different than the previous two years or Trump will be having a tough re-election campaign.

He has the ability, but doesn't have the desire to really crack down and be smart about it. He will rail endlessly about the FBI, etc. on Twitter, but won't use his authority as the Chief Executive to actually fix the problems.

It doesn't help that he surrounds himself with people who are actively working against him.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 16, 2018 9:56 PM  

John,

75% of the federal government basically exists to stymie, resist and stop him in any way they can. Which is why we are starting to have these monarchical thoughts.

Blogger dienw November 16, 2018 9:59 PM  

O.T. but regarding your Rethinking Capitalism Darkstream video:
After you ended your video, I headed over to Unz where I found a new article on the Western economic system; especially the creditor/debtor relationship.

A Review of Michael Hudson’s new book AND FORGIVE THEM THEIR DEBTS

The creditor sees debt as a means to subjugate the debtor to the loss of his property, his person, and even to the point of enslaving the debtor's family; Hudson even states the creditor will use debt even to gain sexual access to the debtor's children.

Blogger pyrrhus November 16, 2018 10:09 PM  

Operation Choke Point, which is Trump administration officials at the FDIC and elsewhere telling banks they shouldn't provide services to anything related to guns or the alt-right, needs to be shut down, immediately. Which could be done by executive order.

Blogger L November 16, 2018 10:11 PM  

Voluntary exchange is so fundamental to our outlook that Christ's grace is shocking to us.

Blogger Johnny November 16, 2018 10:17 PM  

I am not sure I am correct in every detail having never looked into it, but my understanding of the 2008 financial meltdown is as follows:

The federal gov pressured banks into race norming house loans. If a preferred minority was fifty percent of the local population, they get fifty percent of the loans. Plus making banks make loans was good for the local economy, thus favored by the political class generally. That produced bank loan portfolios that were unsound. From the circumstance of the individual banker, what the hell, already holding “bad paper,” why not lower credit standards generally and make more money?

Next banks put these loans into huge mortgage backed security financial instruments and sold them to other banks and all sorts of places. It all worked until it didn't. Some of the loans in the package were going bad and the market value of the financial instrument fell. If a bank showed the decline in value on their books they would be bankrupt. But that is okay, the white knight fed came along and bought the loan instruments at full face value, thus keeping the banks solvent. That is, the sub par loans became public property at premium loan prices.

At least that is what I think happened, along with some other stuff. And now on to “writing off” student loans. That is, converting the loan losses to a public expense. And as far as I know, nothing has been fixed. So maybe here we go again in a couple of years.

Maybe years from now historians will see a pattern. The old business (credit) cycle used to be 30 years and 2008 – 30 equals 1978. The S&L crises came to a head around 1990, only 18 years prior to 2008. Maybe things are faster now? Or has government intervention mucking up the timing?

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 10:20 PM  

@84 justagay

[Continues to dig himself deeper and deeper, as if over 90% of the people who comment here regularly aren't college graduates, and in fields particularly more difficult than economics, history, finance, banking, and Constitutional Law. And also as if we are not all well-versed in these things out of sheer interest]

Give it up Hasbera boy, whatever your Mossad masters are paying you, they're not getting their money's worth.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 16, 2018 10:23 PM  

You are telling me that people stupid enough to accrue tens of thousands of dollars of debt to get a doctorate in music history are going to become conservatives if we forgive their debt!?

No, but go ahead and enjoy beating up that strawman, while the grown-ups have a discussion where they address each other's points.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville November 16, 2018 10:23 PM  

Also amazing that the idea of monarchy becoming a possible solution, or that Trunp should become such a thing, is a remarkable development.

Several years ago I thought Wheeler was full of shit about instituting a monarchy. I'm not so sure anymore.

Blogger Ransom Smith November 16, 2018 10:26 PM  

The Democratic party will never really attempt a forgiveness of student loans.
Sure they'll talk about it, but never do it.
Forgiving student loans would also dramatically hurt or even destroy the college system.
Losing the indoctrination centers would be a huge blow to the machine.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 10:26 PM  

@93

"... This retired Boomer yields the floor ..."


And there it is.

HIS generation is the one that created this mess, and which solely benefits from it.

No wonder he's adamant against blowing it up, taking all the markers off the table, calling it even, and telling the thieves to go home if they know what's good for them.

Blogger Johnny November 16, 2018 10:31 PM  

I had a neighbor lady who went to college as an adult. I knew her only slightly. She spent two years at a vocational school studying to be a computer systems annalists, and expected a big salary when graduating. But then no job.

But some of the credits were good for college, and she got talked into thinking she was this really smart person. Went on to a four degree in the social sciences with a specialty in elder care. And did it for the job she would get. But after six months of looking, no job.

She ended up entering a full adult role maybe eight years late, and I suspect with a debt over 100K. Perhaps she should have known better, but regardless, in my opinion she was scammed. If a private company did that they would be after the company. But the gov, nothing happens.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 10:35 PM  

@98

"75% of the federal government basically exists to stymie, resist and stop him in any way they can. Which is why we are starting to have these monarchical thoughts."

Abolishing AFSCME and SEIU would go along way. Using as much violence as any Teamsters or UAW strikers have ever used against their brother workers.

And the pledge that the literal beatings of the federal bureaucracy will continue until OUR morale improves. And OUR morale will not improve until the laws protecting the un-fireable bureaucracy are rescinded. Not passed ; the day those laws are no longer in effect.

For all of the problems of the "spoils" system of government employment, it's a hell of a lot better than the permanent capture of the bureaucracy by one party, exclusively.

This, literally, would have a greater immediate impact than even lining every single last Senator and Representative up like the Rumanians did to the thieving Ceaucescaus.

Blogger Gen. Kong November 16, 2018 10:37 PM  

@99. I likewise found the darkstream a very interesting example of questioning basic assumptions. One question for VD and others with a good grasp of economics: Is debt - especially the type of debt enabled by the fictional-reserve counterfeiting racket - distorting the economy (all aspects) to such an extent that nobody can tell whether the voluntary exchange model is a valid one or not?

VD mentioned that the cost of debt-service is eating up 1/3 of the growth now. Is that the whole cost, or are there other costs not being factored in here?? How much of the reported growth even real?? With communist central-planning one could likely see the distortion effect fairly quickly (though I think a lot of the analysis was done years later). The racketeering has been going on for well over a century in the United States alone.

The Hudson book looks pretty interesting. I forgot who made the remark but seeing the discussion of the student-debt racket reminded me of it: There's nothing free about a rigged market. The hapless suckers probably have much better odds as the casino.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 16, 2018 10:41 PM  

justaguy wrote:While I agree that the entire university system is corrupt and only getting worse, I can't see anything substantially changing it. the Left will defend their bastion to the death and making college free, with retro-active debt forgiveness for some but not to others is so toxic.
You sure killed that strawman, buddy. It's just straw everywhere in here.

The point is, we defund the Universities by means of debt forgiveness. The key trade is "Debts forgiven BUT no more federal loan guarantees, no more eternal debt."
Once they have to start paying their own way, rather than subsidy via enslavement of the new generation, they entire ridiculous structure will come crashing down. Most of the schools are in hock up to their eyebrows themselves.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 10:48 PM  

@102

"Maybe years from now historians will see a pattern. The old business (credit) cycle used to be 30 years and 2008 – 30 equals 1978. The S&L crises came to a head around 1990, only 18 years prior to 2008. Maybe things are faster now? Or has government intervention mucking up the timing?"

Literally the EXACT SAME MAN who caused the S&L crisis was the one who cooked up the "mortgages to low-income households are actually MORE secure than those AAA-rated mortgages to people who don't even need the money!" theory.

Two reporters, one from the Wall Street Journal, and the other from the NYT financial section literally wrote the book on the whole thing several years ago. Yes, they traced the roots of it back THAT far.

And the NYT was actually honest in the run-up to all of this. Even while Clinton was still president, they were writing articles saying that this is the socialization of risk with privatization of profits for the lenders. Heads the lenders win, tails the public is screwed.

How it all happened was yes, the race-norming of loans -- the banks said, we CAN NOT DO THIS -- it violates every other banking regulation AND is fiscally unsound. It's a moral hazard like giving collatoralized loans for a consumable, and using the consumable itself (say, a brand new precision-guided munition, during a war) as the collateral.

So the Feds said, OK, just sell them to Freddie Mac (FDMC) or Fannie Mae (FNMA), so you won't have to worry about being stuck holding the bag. But then FDMC and FNMA bundled those mortgages and sold them right back into the financial sector (who should have damn well known better if they had done their due dilligence on WHO the mortgages were to in each package they bought.... and if the there were no names and addresses, they shouldn't have purchased them from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, since anybody with a clue even OUTSIDE of the financial sector knew exactly what sorts of mortgages were being sold to Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae (hint: Not the AA and AAA mortgages to people with stable incomes using only 10% of their income to make their mortgage payments.)

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 10:53 PM  

@105

"Several years ago I thought Wheeler was full of shit about instituting a monarchy. I'm not so sure anymore."

Oh, God! No!
Now you've done it.
You said his name.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 10:53 PM  

@106

"
Sure they'll talk about it, but never do it.
Forgiving student loans would also dramatically hurt or even destroy the college system.
Losing the indoctrination centers would be a huge blow to the machine. "

All the more reason why it MUST be done.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 16, 2018 11:00 PM  

the idea of monarchy becoming a possible solution,

After Kavanaugh's confirmation, there were articles by leftists about abolishing or hobbling the presidency, the Senate, and/or the judiciary. That was partly because they hoped to take the House in the midterms, but it was also because the House is the closest thing in the American system to a politburo, where representatives chosen by the Party play at democracy while having little real responsibility to the people.

So with the Left pushing toward the worst form of elite/mob rule, it makes sense the Right would look back to the other end of that spectrum.

Blogger Ransom Smith November 16, 2018 11:01 PM  

I don't disagree Dirk.
Pulling it off would be shrewd.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 11:03 PM  

@110

"The hapless suckers probably have much better odds as the casino."

Casinos, by and large, pay out around $98 for every $100 that's bet.

Roulette (97.1% with a 0 on the wheel, 94.2% with 0 and 00 on the wheel), and slot machines have the worst return for the bettors as separate aggregate pools for each separate gambling system. So, roughly, a casino is a 98% game.

What are state lotteries?
Most are 50% games. ($1 paid out for every $2 in bets.) And that's BEFORE they tax you.

For the big games like Powerball, etc., it goes down to a 25% game, because even though the stated odds combine to be a 50% game, the state immediately confiscates 1/2 of that win, leaving the actual payout to only 25%.

God, I hate our governments.

Blogger Johnny November 16, 2018 11:24 PM  

Make a loan and buy a car. The payments are interest plus principle. Most businesses roll debt over and thus only paying interest. Debt service is the interest expense. I am guessing how much it impacts growth would depend on who you asked.

The communists in the old USSR printed paper bills, (gave credits to companies usually) but lacked the production of goods for the amount of money they gave people. Inflation was avoided with price controls and a rationing of the limited goods. Lots of people ended up with big savings accounts. An old joke was for a not very motivated worker to say they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.

Venezuela has screwed up production so much that it is hard to know what is going on. The hyper inflation is probably caused by the decline in available goods along with the gov printing and spending currency unbacked by any available goods.

A long time ago the Dominican Republic used to print up a bunch of paper money in the fall, use it to by up the farm crops, and then the whole country suffered a bout of inflation from the increased paper money in circulation. As vox might put it: Every. Single. Year.

By the way the language is currently used, loan forgiveness is almost always the government assuming the debt. Thus if the government did loan forgiveness for students, it wouldn't damage the universities any at all. It would simply turn the loan into a public expense.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 11:39 PM  

Look the loan forgiveness carrot comes with a stick -- NO MORE LOANS, which means that if they want to have students actually attend, they need to get rid of 95% of the staff, and go back to 1970 student:staff ratios.

And by the way, those staff positions no longer include secretaries. Because "now that everyone has a computer, you faculty can just type up everything for yourself now!"

Get back to a dean of each school within a college or university, who is also a prof compensated with a lighter teaching load, not as a full-time position, laboratory stores clerks, a dean of student organization, the admissions and treasury/bursar people, the cafeteria personnel, an appropriate number of janitors and groundskeepers, and a couple campus security guards. Optional varsity athletic personnel -- However, such personnel may ONLY be paid from ticket sales and other revenue generated by the athletic department. No tuition or student fees money or even state support should be used to pay for the intercollegiate sports system facilities or personnel. A lot of college athletic directors are making more than major league sports general managers. Yes, the college AD has to spend some time on the women's swimming team -- Who cares! That's a fringe benefit, not an onerous task.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 17, 2018 12:28 AM  

@105 "Several years ago I thought Wheeler was full of shit about instituting a monarchy. I'm not so sure anymore."

I've been arguing for a monarchy for years, here and elsewhere.

Monarchy is inevitable. This "democratic republic" thing is a passing phase in the big picture.

http://forge-and-anvil.com/2018/01/25/the-kingdom-of-catolica-america-series/

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 17, 2018 12:48 AM  

"By the way the language is currently used, loan forgiveness is almost always the government assuming the debt. Thus if the government did loan forgiveness for students, it wouldn't damage the universities any at all. It would simply turn the loan into a public expense."

And that's the problem with the whole deal. When they're preaching about it they never actually mean that the mills will have to suck it up. They mean that everyone ELSE, who pays taxes/inflation is going to have to suck it up.

It should be translated into debt that can be cleared by bankruptcy, at least.

But of course the lefties would do an instant about-face if someone proposed that, and it would probably shatter their base even more.

Blogger Inner Monologue November 17, 2018 1:09 AM  

Thank you for this Darkstream, Vox.

I agree that Americans should stay in America. Should less-than-fifth generation immigrants return to their countries of origin?

Blogger Weouro November 17, 2018 1:19 AM  

Reads like a hit rap song

Blogger Lance E November 17, 2018 1:31 AM  

justaguy wrote:#86: How about an amendment that forgive student loans but of course then raises the age of voting and adulthood to 25.

First, those two have absolutely nothing to do with each other, so even in a right-wing fantasyland they'd never appear in the same bill.

Second, trying to fix democracy is self-defeating because democracy is the bug.

And lastly, the under-25 already vote in minuscule numbers. Democrats have had an 80-year-long priapism over the youth vote. They've never been able to generate the turnout, which is why in 1965 they collectively said "screw it, let's import third-world voters instead".

You've provided an implausible and ineffective solution to the wrong problem. Well done.

Blogger Lance E November 17, 2018 1:33 AM  

John Calla wrote:He [Trump] has the ability, but doesn't have the desire to really crack down and be smart about it.

You've got it exactly backward. What causes you to believe that Trump has this ability? A 250-year-old document that's been out of date for 200 years?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 17, 2018 1:45 AM  

"Monarchy is inevitable. This "democratic republic" thing is a passing phase in the big picture."

Monarchy can't possibly happen with this population. Maybe a temporary and more overt empire.

Any attempt to institute a monarchy even in a fragment after the big rip will all but inevitably end up in a puppet controlled by an oligarchy. The population attribute distribution simply will not support a monarchy without something greater than ninety percent of the most capable parts of the population dying off somehow. The only way that sort of thing even has a chance to work is if your "fragment" is less than half a million people.

Koanic's old argument of a patriarchal clan-like system would be more likely than a monarchy, and it isn't looking likely either.

The "democratic republic" thing isn't a phase. It's an illusion.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 17, 2018 1:53 AM  

I know, Azure. But you're thinking of America "as is."

In a future where America is ripped to shreds, and we're living in a totally fucked "Book of Eli" situation, we're definitely going to be in the market for a monarchy. Though, at that time, he'll probably be called a warlord.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 17, 2018 2:14 AM  

How the Franks came to accept monarchy, according to Enrico Caterino Davila:

"The French nation, known in antiquity under the appellation of the Franks, were originally from the heart of Germany. In the declension of the Roman Empire, they inhabited a country in the north, along the river Rhine, situated between Bavaria and Saxony, which still preserves the name of Franconia. Having excessively multiplied, as it happens in cold climates, their country was found not sufficiently extensive to contain them, nor fertile enough to nourish them. Excited by the example of their neighbors, they resolved, by a common voice, to divide themselves into two nations; one of which should continue to inhabit their ancient country; and the other endeavor to procure elsewhere, by the force of arms, an establishment more vast, more commodious, and more fertile. This enterprise was resolved upon, and this division made by unanimous consent. Such as were destined by lot to essay their fortune, although trained to war, and incapable of terror at the apprehension of the dangers of such an enterprise, thought, however, that they ought not to abandon it to anarchy or hazard, but to conduct it with prudence and order. To concert the measures necessary for the execution of their project, they assembled in the plains, in the neighborhood of the river Sala. Accustomed for many ages to live in the obedience of a prince, and thinking the monarchical state the most convenient to a people who aspire to augment their power and extend their conquests, they resolved to choose a king who should unite in his single person all the authority of the nation."

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 17, 2018 2:17 AM  

"In a future where America is ripped to shreds, and we're living in a totally fucked "Book of Eli" situation, we're definitely going to be in the market for a monarchy. Though, at that time, he'll probably be called a warlord."

Or a Patriarch. Really though, I'd be looking for something more like a Judge.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 17, 2018 2:27 AM  

Whites will be killed like trophies by Not-American descendants. It won't matter what we call the guy. We'll be desperate for protection and order. It's going to be crazy.

Blogger Rhys November 17, 2018 3:32 AM  

Toying with the idea of student loan forgiveness to appeal to the liberal voters? Have you all learned nothing? These people would celebrate the free college, take it with a big smile on their face, and go right back to hating Trump and voting against our country without a second thought. This is not the time to appease.

Blogger Resident Moron™ November 17, 2018 4:19 AM  

The problem with debt forgiveness is it turns a bad credit risk into a good one overnight and because the person didn’t earn their way to the new category they are prone to immediately getting back into debt.

You can’t fight human nature and those who do are called leftists. By definition the altRight does not join these mad schemes.

Blogger Resident Moron™ November 17, 2018 5:25 AM  

OT but relevant; weight lifting better for your heart* than running.

(*and your knees)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/11/16/weight-lifting-better-heart-health-running-new-study-finds/

It’s Science so it must be true.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 6:49 AM  

@131
"Toying with the idea of student loan forgiveness to appeal to the liberal voters? Have you all learned nothing? These people would celebrate the free college, take it with a big smile on their face, and go right back to hating Trump and voting against our country without a second thought. This is not the time to appease."

It ain't about appeasement, retard, it's about halting the strip-mining of Americans' bank accounts by an unholy alliance of (((bankers))), (((academics))), and (((college administrators))).

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 6:52 AM  

@132

"The problem with debt forgiveness is it turns a bad credit risk into a good one overnight and because the person didn’t earn their way to the new category they are prone to immediately getting back into debt.

You can’t fight human nature and those who do are called leftists. By definition the altRight does not join these mad schemes."

If they get into more debt buying cars they can't afford, those can be reposessed and sold off again to pay off most of the loan.

You really can't repo some idiot's edumacation, because the loan went to pay the living expenses of those who work at the university, and therefore, were consumed quite quickly.

Blogger Uncle John's Band November 17, 2018 6:57 AM  

In too late for the boomergammasm. The sustained argument with himself was sort of impressive though.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 7:25 AM  

I didn't realize the Mossad was hiring them that old.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 7:29 AM  

I think it's time, just for "justaguy"s benefit, for another boomertard thread.

Just so he can see how thoroughly, just like the generations before them, the generations after them likewise despise the typical babyboomer false values and collective brain-farts which they profess to be thought processes.

Blogger Resident Moron™ November 17, 2018 7:37 AM  

The point is to address the root of the issue and not introduce a solution that makes it worse.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 7:52 AM  

So many in the "soft" parts of academia are in love with Marxism ... maybe we should impose wage and price controls on those entire departments. Wage controls on the faculty and staffs, and price controls on tuition for those departments.

With a stipulation that such departments are to be financially separated from all other aspects of the college or university.

They want Marxism -- let's give it to them, and only them, GOOD AND HARD.

Blogger Johnny November 17, 2018 8:03 AM  

>>So many in the "soft" parts of academia are in love with Marxism ... maybe we should impose wage and price controls on those entire departments...

It would be fun to do, and what they deserve. The military abuses our money and our educational system abuses the trust we put in it.

Blogger Johnny November 17, 2018 8:12 AM  

Resident Moron™ wrote:OT but relevant; weight lifting better for your heart* than running.

Don't know about the study, but on a personal level I have gotten into body building because I found that sort of exercise less boring than the other stuff. And for health reasons I needed to do something.

Going by how I feel, mental alertness and so on, it has turned out very well. Currently I have abandoned further strength building and I do it for exercise. When pumping iron, the shift is to do more repetitions at lower weight levels.

Blogger Johnny November 17, 2018 8:25 AM  

Just a thought on who gets to vote. Excluding people gets politically complicated. My risky scheme is to give some people more votes. The argument for it would be to point out that children have an interest in how things are run, but get no vote. So, give kids the vote vicariously by allowing their parents to vote for them. Lets say any couple with two kids would collectively get four votes. The criteria to qualify would be that the parents bear the majority burden in raising the kids. Real supporting adults, not just sperm donors or absentee moms.

That would shift some of the vote to older people who are living conventional lifestyles. And because women tend to vote with their husbands to an extent, it would do some damage to the least desirable female voting patterns.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 17, 2018 8:54 AM  

It should be translated into debt that can be cleared by bankruptcy, at least.

That seems like the obvious solution to me, at least the first step. If you take on an unsustainable amount of debt for any stupid reason, bankruptcy offers a legal, structured way to get out from under so you can start over. You borrowed a million dollars for your pet rock company that failed in a year? You can file bankruptcy. You got drafted into the NFL and immediately signed mortgages to give all your family members mansions, then flamed out in your rookie year? You can file bankruptcy.

But not if you borrowed it to do what our society insists everyone with an IQ over room temperature must do to be a productive citizen: get a college degree. Then it's, "Pay up, deadbeat." How does that make sense?

It's not like everyone with school loans would run out to bankruptcy lawyers. That's a last-ditch solution for extreme cases. Most people with a lot of credit card debt don't file bankruptcy either, because it's a hard way out. But it would be there for the extreme cases, and the money wouldn't come from the tax payers, it would come from the predatory lenders. The more predatory they were, the more willing to sell debt to people without consideration for whether they would earn enough to pay it back, the harder it would hit them.

Blogger Katusov November 17, 2018 8:55 AM  

"The problem with debt forgiveness is it turns a bad credit risk into a good one overnight and because the person didn’t earn their way to the new category they are prone to immediately getting back into debt.

Debt forgiveness could inspire the bad credit risks to go out and try to borrow more money. It would also instill more disciple on the lenders of that money. A lender would not so easily loan out his cash to a bad credit risk is there is a greater risk he will not be paid back. This is assuming the government will not backstop the lenders, as they have in the past.
These debt bombs are going to blow up eventually. A controlled detonation would help minimize the damage.

Blogger justaguy November 17, 2018 9:45 AM  

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Blogger justaguy November 17, 2018 9:46 AM  

Debt forgiveness would be taken up by the Left and used to cement their power. I assume that the Left will not give up their bastion in academia. The group somehow thinks by some act of god that debt relief will or could be used to reform the universities-- idiotic and juvenile. The Left likes where the universities are and there are large groups supporting them. The Left would use you as a useful idiot, take your debt forgiveness and turn it into free college where they control the entrance--- does anyone think that 80+% going to free college would become anything useful or just like HS now.

Secondly-- there has to be a link between adulthood and being responsible for your actions, and voting, contracts and everything else. If the actual case is that the poor misunderstood kids can't be trusted to make decisions for their own future at 18-22, then aren't you admitting that they are not adults. If they can't make these decisions, the poor things-- then why can they do anything else an adult can do.. How can you trust them with the vote if they can't make decisions that they are held to. You can't have one and not the other. Either they are children or they are adults-- there is not a middle ground.

We are in a place where Burke foretold-- where the wisdom of the past has been cast aside too quickly and the experience of the people is not sufficient to give the right answers to the current situation. Burke alluded to the madness of the French Revolution, but we are in the same thing now.

Blogger Johnny November 17, 2018 9:47 AM  

The core problem is that a government guarantee on the debt eliminates the need for a credit worthy borrower, thus we end up with the public picking up these bad debts. All the rest is detail as to the particulars.

If we didn't let bad debt become so common, borrowers of every sort could carry the burden of an occasional bad loan and they would become more prudent. Excess political largess is what sets it up.

Blogger DJT November 17, 2018 10:42 AM  

Secondly-- there has to be a link between adulthood and being responsible for your actions, and voting, contracts and everything else. If the actual case is that the poor misunderstood kids can't be trusted to make decisions for their own future at 18-22, then aren't you admitting that they are not adults. If they can't make these decisions, the poor things-- then why can they do anything else an adult can do.. How can you trust them with the vote if they can't make decisions that they are held to. You can't have one and not the other. Either they are children or they are adults-- there is not a middle ground.

As one who signed up for insane student loans that I did not really understand at age 17—especially after trusting """guidance counselors""" and my college's dog and pony show about job placement assistance—I can say that no, an average 17 or 18 year old is not able to handle these life-altering decisions and should not be able to vote.

I would go farther and say that only land owners should be able to vote. That would disenfranchise me, too, but I am OK with that. I will sacrifice my franchise in favor of those most likely to use it responsibly.

Blogger stevo November 17, 2018 10:44 AM  

Wouldn't be surprised if he's exhausted after the midterms. Nobody worked harder. Hope he can keep up his strength

Blogger Ransom Smith November 17, 2018 11:17 AM  

The group somehow thinks by some act of god that debt relief will or could be used to reform the universities
The is no reform .
It's time to let old things die .
The universities.
The student loan debt.
Let it all die.

Blogger Lance E November 17, 2018 11:53 AM  

Katusov wrote:Debt forgiveness could inspire the bad credit risks to go out and try to borrow more money.

The autistic screeching in this thread is unbelievable. This is why we lose. Maybe student debt cancellation is a good idea, maybe it's not, but the cuckservatives and libertarians coming out of the woodwork to sperg can't even hear the argument, they just screech and screech and screech.

Listen, and listen closely. Student loan forgiveness is not about the students. Repeat, it is not about the students. It is about the universities and the banks. These left-controlled and left-dominated institutions are in a symbiotic relationship, have outsized power and influence, and are sustained by a massive bubble of non-dischargeable student loan debt.

Making the loans subject to bankruptcy again would help the students somewhat, but that is - I repeat once again - not the point. The right-wing case for cancelling current loans is to:

1. Immediately collapse the debt bubble sustaining academia, forcing them to either fire the useless SJW faculty, drop useless/unpopular SJW programs, shut down entirely, or beg for money from a Republican-controlled government who could then attach anti-SJW conditions.

2. Erase millions, maybe, billions, in fraudulent "assets" from the balance sheets of banks. A great many of these loans, perhaps the majority coming from "-studies" majors, will never be repaid. We're talking more than 10% of a $1.5-trillion debt that is already delinquent, and a lot more that would be dissolved by bankruptcy in any other situation. If the non-dischargeable loans evaporate, bank assets become that much closer to reflecting what they actually possess, and many will have to become more competitive in order to survive. Some won't survive; again, this is a benefit.

3. The "forgiveness" itself is a carrot offered to pass the stick: cosigning. Aside from banning student loans entirely, this is the one option that forces universities to have skin in the game. If universities want to continue maintaining/creating courses that are either useless or parasitic - again, anything ending in "studies" and about 80% of soft sciences - then it means they need to fund it out of their own pockets. Many if not most won't do that. The requirement would give distinct advantages to STEM-focused universities and trade schools whose graduates actually make money. And it would drive many women out of unnecessary post-secondary education, the benefits of which are incalculable.

Maybe this would be less effective at the above goals than some of us imagine. Maybe it would have unanticipated side effects - although "students will just take on more debt" isn't unanticipated, it's entirely irrelevant.

But for the love of all that is holy, stop rambling on about garbage like "credit-worthiness" or "the left would use this to advance [thing that the left will advance anyway]". Just stop. If the left retakes official power, then all bets are off the table. This whole conversation is about what can theoretically be done with the right nominally in power.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 17, 2018 12:41 PM  

Lance E's comment shines forth through the darkness like a shaft of gold

Blogger justaguy November 17, 2018 1:02 PM  

#152: Nice theory, just have to mind control all of the left to go along and not corrupt it. So starting with an act of God, my plan is ....

Still doesn't say how government survives giving $100K+ to one idiot who got a Masters of Puppetry but nothing to the family that saved, scrapped by, went to state schools, and worked hard to get out of debt. I know fairness is such a bore. Just give all of the idiots $ and they will go away-- like reparations. Oh yeah-- I forgot- an act of God. It is all to create a better system. not get those I know out of their bad decisions. Not not bad decisions, not my fault, I was too young, too something.... It is their fault, their fault-- life is unfair, I should get to go to the ivies for free-- waaaaa! Soyboys weill build a society just wait.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 17, 2018 1:13 PM  

Rhys wrote:Toying with the idea of student loan forgiveness to appeal to the liberal voters? Have you all learned nothing? These people would celebrate the free college, take it with a big smile on their face, and go right back to hating Trump
Reading comprehension is a really cool superpower, you can develop with training and experience! You should try it.


@justaguy,
You very obviously just want to punish people who you look down on. It shines through in every paragraph. Just stop it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 17, 2018 1:17 PM  

@justaguy,
BTW, there is no such thing as fairness. It's like superstrings, so many theories would hold water if it were true. The problem is that it's not. There's no fairness anywhere in heaven or on Earth. Remember the parable of the workers in the vineyard? It's an exact parallel.

Maybe can't get this because you're just a Boomer, but the idea that we can't do something because it would be unfair to people you like is retarded.

Blogger Kat November 17, 2018 1:28 PM  

justaguy wrote:

Secondly-- there has to be a link between adulthood and being responsible for your actions, and voting, contracts and everything else. If the actual case is that the poor misunderstood kids can't be trusted to make decisions for their own future at 18-22, then aren't you admitting that they are not adults. If they can't make these decisions, the poor things-- then why can they do anything else an adult can do.. How can you trust them with the vote if they can't make decisions that they are held to. You can't have one and not the other. Either they are children or they are adults-- there is not a middle ground.


I don't have debt (thanks be to God), but let me explain some things to you.

Your parents tell you that going to college is necessary. Maybe they don't like debt. Maybe they encourage working, 2 year colleges, etc as a way to lower costs. Maybe they chip in. But the point is that, they assure you that you NEED a college degree. Mom, Dad, all your grandparents, your aunts and uncles, your older cousins all have college degrees. This family is white collar, and that means you'll get a BA at least.

That, alone, is enough to put some people on the road to debt slavery. Add in guidance counselors and such and kids (because college prep doesn't start when you're 18 - more like 15-16) are mentally/physically planning to enter debt slavery because it's the only thing they can do. If they eat rice and beans and drive old cars maybe they'll be debt free in time to raise a kid or two.


Sorry, Boomer. Not all kids say "F off squares I'm blazing my own trail." If you want to punish them for being guided by their parents and teachers then that says more about you than them.

Blogger justaguy November 17, 2018 1:30 PM  

I do not look down on people. While I may laugh a bit at the guy complaining about debt with a Masters of Puppetry I am all about letting people try things to find out what they want. As a student of Hayek, I know that I do not have enough information to plan what is best for everyone.

However, I have seen so many times R's try to compromise with the Left, leave their principles and hope for the best-- think of Reagan and the SM Act for Amnesty? Whenever the R's give up their principles, in my short life I have seen them become useful idiots to catch Lenin's term. Of course some like screwing over principles-- i.e. McCain and elk. So I am very careful of first ideas. My generation is the first to seize power from the left since the 1920s. We held it awhile, but it was clawed back.

My generation could not stop the Left. We barely slowed it down enough to get the country to grow again and stop tearing itself apart. (Try double digit inflation, double digit interest rates for mortgages, large unemployment, no wage growth and thousands of bombs in protest--that is the 1970s) We stopped the international left, but not the progressive cancer that infested the nation in the late 1800s or early 1900s.

Where my generation blamed the earlier one, so does yours-- fine-- but realize that taking the ideas of the left to defeat the left really doesn't work. REdistribution to your side is just part of the Left. VD hopes that the Left will be beaten in the collapse and civil war. I hope that they can be beaten before it gets that far.

Blogger Kat November 17, 2018 1:35 PM  

justaguy wrote:#152: Nice theory, just have to mind control all of the left to go along and not corrupt it. So starting with an act of God, my plan is ....

Still doesn't say how government survives giving $100K+ to one idiot who got a Masters of Puppetry but nothing to the family that saved, scrapped by, went to state schools, and worked hard to get out of debt. I know fairness is such a bore. Just give all of the idiots $ and they will go away-- like reparations. Oh yeah-- I forgot- an act of God. It is all to create a better system. not get those I know out of their bad decisions. Not not bad decisions, not my fault, I was too young, too something.... It is their fault, their fault-- life is unfair, I should get to go to the ivies for free-- waaaaa! Soyboys weill build a society just wait.


You think you're clever, but I'm a midwit and can follow what these good people are saying far better than you can. Maybe take off the boomer glasses.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 17, 2018 1:38 PM  

Justaguy,

Reread Lance E's comment. It's not about the students. It is NOT about the students.

This is libertarian autism. The students are fine. But, you're saying the students are fine. Are the students fine?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 17, 2018 2:33 PM  

justaguy wrote:I do not look down on people.
Your posts say otherwise.

Blogger John Calla November 17, 2018 3:21 PM  

@125 You've got it exactly backward. What causes you to believe that Trump has this ability? A 250-year-old document that's been out of date for 200 years?

Just that he has the natural ability and talent: he's intelligent, he's capable of leading, he knows how to interact favorably with the masses (campaign rallies, etc.)... a lot of politicians don't have any of that.

He also does have plenty of authority. There's a difference between not being able to accomplish something and not being able to accomplish something without being maligned by the enemy.

Blogger Up from the pond November 17, 2018 10:21 PM  

The word "appease" or "appeasement" is a conservative Boomer tell. Everything is Chamberlain and Munich to this type.

"The moneylender loaned at 440% interest and took your cow? Serves you right, Polack! Laws against this enterprising practice would be anti-semitic, as well as against the-survival-of-the-fittest-crook." We've heard it before...for centuries.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella November 17, 2018 11:40 PM  

thank you, Lance E. That post was very informative and enlightening.

Blogger Boorn Boorm November 18, 2018 5:52 AM  

@152
I'm concerned SJWs will double down, and destroy entire institutions that are otherwise good. You know 99% sure, that places like UC Berkeley may fall even though they have excellent STEM programs, just from the panic.

The has to be a way to slowly unwind the subsidies to kill off cancers like Evergreen College without bringing down the University of Washington. Trump hasn't even TALKED about increasing the restrictions on federal student aid, but I totally understand the rot.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 8:47 AM  

The problem is, even very good schools, with a reputation for having extremely conservative administrations, like Purdue(*) are increasingly overrun by SJWs. My old friend (the intel NCO) who lives near West Lafayette started reporting about 15 years ago that the staff was becoming overrun with lesbians. And lesbians are even more destructive than fags. By at least an order of magnitude, if not two. Fags in academia just want a pet or two each semester to have illicit sex with, and generally hide. Lesbians want to turn the entire organization upside down, and eradicate all men from the campus.

(*) first in the nation where the university President (Mitch Daniels) and the Student Senate passed a resolution that if you can't handle other people voicing opinions and facts which don't mesh perfectly with your own opinions, then not only are you not fit to attend Purdue, you're not even fit to attend ANY college until you can listen to opposing viewpoints without having to run away to a "safe space.")

Blogger xevious2030 November 18, 2018 9:05 AM  

Trump is not screwing around.
Trump is not being undermined.
This is the point that is entirely being missed.

And the reason it is being missed is because of investment and desire. Which prevents the recognition of the consideration that Trump is getting the outcome he desires, and that the country is heading in the direction he desires. That words are given, pro- or anti- solely for consumption and are inconsequential otherwise, and that not just action, but the veracity of action by Trump defines intention. Flynn, the Super Patrio, was kicked the hell out post haste, almost immediately, replaced by a Swampy think tank sort. And Sessoins, after announcing refusal to pursue the Clintons, was kept on until his replacement would be problematic.

In other words, Trump is not faced with a decision, it was made long ago. Nobody is stopping Trump, no one is hindering or fooling him. By the nature of the action he carries through voracity, you see his intention. He is not a god-emperor, he is a she-wolf-in-heat luring the domesticated and beneficial dogs to their doom.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 18, 2018 10:06 AM  

Maybe this would be less effective at the above goals than some of us imagine. Maybe it would have unanticipated side effects - although "students will just take on more debt" isn't unanticipated, it's entirely irrelevant.

But for the love of all that is holy, stop rambling on about garbage like "credit-worthiness" or "the left would use this to advance [thing that the left will advance anyway]". Just stop. If the left retakes official power, then all bets are off the table.


That was worth quoting that much. We're constantly told we can't try any solutions because there might be consequences. If we forgive student loans, it'll encourage irresponsibility. If we cut immigration, the price of our vegetables and smart phones might go up. If we cut funding to *any* government program, it'll increase unemployment and some innocent person somewhere will get hurt. If we try to reform the prisons, we'll be swarmed by murderous felons. If we try to go either direction on drugs, toward or away from legalization, it'll just make things worse. And in every case, there's the spectre of what a future leftist administration might do with any new tools we create.

We're trying to save a dying patient, and older surgeons keep saying, "Don't touch him! You might make it worse." It's time for triage, not careful maintenance.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 18, 2018 10:11 AM  

The has to be a way to slowly unwind the subsidies to kill off cancers like Evergreen College without bringing down the University of Washington.

No, there doesn't have to be. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't, but there doesn't have to be. Consider your own analogy to cancer. Some cancers can be treated. Some can't, and the only thing that eventually kills the cancer is the death of the host. Government subsidized academia may be the latter type of cancer.

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