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Friday, November 23, 2018

Not even a little surprised

I never watched more than a few minutes of any movie from this series, but I picked up a fairly negative vibe from it even in passing. CDAN talks about what was apparently going on behind the scenes while it was being made.
He actually has a chance to be more famous outside of acting in his current career than he ever did acting, despite being in such a huge franchise. He was talking to an interviewer about his new profession and the interviewer asked the former actor why he chose the new profession. The former actor said it was because on the set of the franchise he was scared everyday of getting molested or raped by many of the older men that were on the set. He said this was especially true in the first few films where you learned really quickly not to walk around certain areas of a set or to wander too far away from other people. There were just too many men there who loved nothing more than dragging some 10 year old boy somewhere for 20 minutes and threatening to hit him or get him kicked off the movie if he told anyone. Our former actor said there were only a few older actors who took part, but they were some of the worst. An actor would tell a crew member and the crew member would grab the boy and hold him for the actor and then often the crew member would take a turn too. The former actor said some of the tween girls on the set were bothered, but as far as he knows, none were raped liked the boys. Once the actors got to be a certain age, they could fight or were big enough to get the men to back off, but with new young boys coming in for every film, it was a never ending cycle of sexual abuse and no one did anything to stop it.
Go there to learn which huge franchise it allegedly was.

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Blogger Brick Hardslab November 23, 2018 5:18 PM  

I guessed this but what can you do they won't let us impale them anymore or even arrest them. Probably Sailer's idea of cgi kids for movies.

Blogger The Scribe November 23, 2018 5:22 PM  

I wonder who the actor in the interview was, and who are the abusing actors he mentioned.

Blogger The Greay Man November 23, 2018 5:33 PM  

@The Scribe - the comments on the link tell you the likely franchise \ actors.

Blogger The Greay Man November 23, 2018 5:37 PM  

This is in stark contrast with a series that is nearly free of any SJW-ism or weird things going on: the Lord of the Rings series.

For what it's worth, the original LOTR trilogy seemed to have a good set of people and pretty good writing. The Hobbit trilogy aside, Jackson did as good a job as Hollywood could do and the actors are mostly semi-decent people (For Hollywood).

They also avoided bringing in children to be abused.

Blogger Up from the pond November 23, 2018 5:41 PM  

Lots of spooky things connected with the franchise allegedly referred to.

Search "Miles Mathis [insert name of franchise]" to pull up a "conspiracy theory" article. Mathis has lots of criss-crossing strings of yarn on his wall. But his research on the [insert name of franchise] phenomenon is interesting.

Blogger Jackson Peds November 23, 2018 5:41 PM  

It can't be Daniel Radcliffe. First, he is too much of a celebrity now, second, he is casted in other Hollywood projects.

Third and most important, he is faggot and trannie accolade now, so he is part of the system, it must be another, less known kid of the cast.

Blogger FUBARwest November 23, 2018 5:45 PM  

Sad I knew which franchise before clicking the link. And it's still going on.

Blogger L November 23, 2018 5:48 PM  

Are most of the child molesters homosexual? I get the impression from these reports that the molesters are a) usually men, and b) usually men who prefer boys as opposed to girls.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 23, 2018 5:59 PM  

Dear God please just rain fire and death on all of it.

Blogger tublecane November 23, 2018 6:32 PM  

@8- Yes, there is a much higher incidence of pedophilia in homos. People try to pawn it off on the altar boy phenomenon in the Catholic Church, but there's no such excuse here.

Blogger Jill Domschot November 23, 2018 6:35 PM  

Sickening.

Blogger pyrrhus November 23, 2018 6:36 PM  

@10 There is around 20x the incidence with male homosexuals. Guys like Walter Breen are much more the rule than the exception.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums November 23, 2018 6:36 PM  

Can someone square this circle for me, please? How come all these horror stories keep coming out of Hollywood but the none are coming out from the porn industry. At least none that I am aware of. How can the porn industry be "cleaner" than Hollywood?

Blogger pyrrhus November 23, 2018 6:40 PM  

I hope not, but this could have triggered McCaulay Culkin's spiral into drugs. Same director.

Blogger pyrrhus November 23, 2018 6:42 PM  

@13 Can someone square this circle for me, please? How come all these horror stories keep coming out of Hollywood but the none are coming out from the porn industry. At least none that I am aware of. How can the porn industry be "cleaner" than Hollywood?

Hollywood has maximum protection from the politicians and the media..The porn industry doesn't, and would get shut down in a hurry if this came out.

Blogger Michael Maier November 23, 2018 6:44 PM  

Plus, porn stars are literally paid whores. Who is going to care? They're forming long lines to be signing up for degradation!

Blogger Curlytop November 23, 2018 6:49 PM  

No surprise to me as well. I recall vividly the condescending comments from Churchian moms who found me odd for not encouraging that drek onto our children. Not that I needed it to convince me prior, but I saw an interview w the author of the franchise early on where he/she expressed the plan to have it go darker and openly wanted to explore homosexual themes.
Nope.
Know that in educational circles, this franchise is cited as the great unifier of the current generation across cultural lines.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums November 23, 2018 6:49 PM  

pyrrhus wrote:Hollywood has maximum protection from the politicians and the media..The porn industry doesn't, and would get shut down in a hurry if this came out.

So you're saying it does happen but they hold a tighter leash on these sort of leaks? I guess that makes sense. Plus if a leak happens anyone that's showing any outrage would be incriminating themselves as a consumer.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 23, 2018 6:52 PM  

The "porn industry" does have a lot of child molestation, but it's called child porn and is clearly illegal, so we tend to see it as a separate thing. And regular adult porn shoots have no excuse to have kids on set.

Blogger VD November 23, 2018 6:58 PM  

So you're saying it does happen but they hold a tighter leash on these sort of leaks?

Obviously not. He's saying the exact opposite of what you concluded.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 23, 2018 7:00 PM  

this franchise is cited as the great unifier of the current generation across cultural lines.

Leftists really love it and take life lessons from it. /pol/ has noticed how often phrases from it show up on their protest signs and in their slogans. There's something about it.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey November 23, 2018 7:09 PM  

Ok, according to the former child actor the perps were "many of the older men that were on the set". And furthermore, about this set of perps, "only a few older actors who took part, but they were some of the worst."

So we're looking at a set of perps are most likely producers, directors, and studio executives. Stage and crew hands are not going to have the kind of power to terrorize a movie set with pedophilia, no way. That takes one of those dread "amenable authorities", who might also extend a longer leash to their favorite pets and minions, the alleged older actors "who were some of the worst."

Burn it all down. Salt the earth. Hollywood's gotta go.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 23, 2018 7:20 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:The "porn industry" does have a lot of child molestation, but it's called child porn and is clearly illegal, so we tend to see it as a separate thing.
Almost all child pron is produced by child molesters who otherwise have literally nothing to do with the porn industry. There's is essentially no overlap.

Blogger Steve November 23, 2018 7:23 PM  

I dunno Vox.

He's on a bit of a dirt-dishing spree, and another one of his stories is about how he bumped into Nicole Scherzinger in a bookstore and she told him - a complete stranger - that she agreed to be a gay man's beard and it ruined her career.

That sounds unlikely, as does the idea that the crew on the Harry Potter films were grabbing children for thespian rape. There's a lot of old fruits in the British film and entertainment industry, but you'd think if a kid from the most famous and popular films of the past two decades made an explosive allegation like this in an interview two years ago, it'd have come out by now. Even if just rumours.

Relatively minor UK celebs like Paul Gambaccini and Cliff Richard have been dragged through the media and had their lives ruined over pedo allegations. This would be a much bigger story, yet I can't find any reference to it anywhere except Enty's blog.

Blogger Daniel November 23, 2018 7:27 PM  

Please refrain from referring to the porn racket as an industry. The word does not map to the phenomenon. Referring to porn as an industry somehow credentials it. Industry is good. Industry is honorable, enlightening and ennobling. Porn is none of these.

Blogger Wade Wilson November 23, 2018 7:43 PM  

I always thought there was something wrong with JK Rowling and the amount of energy she spent attacking nationalists and the right.

This might have been the whole point of her writting her occult wannabe crap in the first place

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 23, 2018 7:44 PM  

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 23, 2018 7:47 PM  

Steve wrote:That sounds unlikely, as does the idea that the crew on the Harry Potter films were grabbing children for thespian rape. There's a lot of old fruits in the British film and entertainment industry, but you'd think if a kid from the most famous and popular films of the past two decades made an explosive allegation like this in an interview two years ago, it'd have come out by now. Even if just rumours.


How likely is it that a radio DJ could rape his way across the music industry, raping children in hospital, raping children at concerts, raping guests to his radio show, raping children at parties?
And you're complaining that what can only be called a rumor site is telling you rumors, but they can't be true because there aren't any rumors.
Really?

Daniel wrote:Referring to porn as an industry somehow credentials it. Industry is good. Industry is honorable, enlightening and ennobling. Porn is none of these.
Industry pollutes. Industry dehumanizes. Industry exploits. Industry extracts profit without concern for larger impact. Industry deracinates.
Industry is the perfect word.

Blogger Brett baker November 23, 2018 7:49 PM  

The guy who wrote "Evil Empire" had some interesting comments about Harry Potter.

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Blogger qualitycontrol November 23, 2018 7:51 PM  

'Leftists really love it and take life lessons from it.'

I think it's popular with almost everyone that's not distinctly far right. Harry Potter does a good job at hiding it's politicized nature as well as creating a sort of normality. It hits all the right marks to be good propaganda. Diverse cast that gets along nicely, every male is in some way pathetic, a vanity feeding feminist self-insert for women and young girls, the housewife is ugly, nasty and petty, the villains are a straw-man of the political right and the confirmation of the status quo as ending.

https://imgur.com/a/AgSQ13f

'/pol/ has noticed how often phrases from it show up on their protest signs and in their slogans. There's something about it.'

One of the things /pol/ has somewhat understood is the importance of exposing Harry Potter (and all those other ya books) as the poorly written propaganda they are. To many people on the right still see these books still as harmless books when they are anything but harmless.

Blogger Steve November 23, 2018 8:09 PM  

How likely is it that a radio DJ could rape his way across the music industry, raping children in hospital, raping children at concerts, raping guests to his radio show, raping children at parties?

According to the press and people who want compensation, 127% of the population of Great Britain and Northern Ireland between 1965 and 1987 was molested by Jimmy Savile. Including the recently deceased.

You're right, it doesn't sound terribly likely (though he was, no doubt, a disgusting pervert who is now roasting in Hell).

And you're complaining that what can only be called a rumor site is telling you rumors

No, I'm not complaining, I'm suggesting it might be bollocks.

Another of Enty's scoops is that allegedly Jay Z and Beyonce run a... uterus transplant factory? And somehow this makes them more money than the hundreds of millions they rake in from showbusiness. Eh, ok.

Blogger Rick November 23, 2018 8:13 PM  

I find the insertion of magic into your fiction to be laziest (which is to say the most unimaginative) kind of writing. If it’s used to solve one problem, why not all of them? It’s like watching a game of Trivial Pursuit. The guy the author likes wins. Why? Because he likes him.
But then again, people like crossword puzzles.

Blogger Hammerli280 November 23, 2018 8:20 PM  

The disturbing thing is that after reading the blind, the HP films were the first thing I thought of. Sad.

The first four books were pretty good. The next two OK. "Deathly Hallows" demolished Rowling's reputation in my eyes. Too many plot discontinuities.

Blogger Michael Maier November 23, 2018 8:33 PM  

'Leftists really love it and take life lessons from it.'

Piss them off. Tell them "Read another book."

Works. Every damned time.

Try it!

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 23, 2018 8:38 PM  

So we're looking at a set of perps are most likely producers, directors, and studio executives.

If you read CDAN and other sources about this stuff, you get the impression that some movies and TV shows exist only to bring kids and teens within easy reach of the adults paying for the production and their friends.

Blogger Doug Cranmer November 23, 2018 8:41 PM  

Cory Doctorow. His books.

And his boingboing site.

There's something odd with the over the top narrative push of its posts. Manufactured is an understatement. Hysterical at times is closer.

There's nothing grass roots about it.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 23, 2018 8:44 PM  

Piss them off. Tell them "Read another book."

Heh, I'll have to remember that one. It fits, too. I read the first book because a friend pushed it into my hands, and was distinctly underwhelmed. It was an okay light fantasy, but I have dozens of better examples of the genre on my shelves, especially for adult readers.

Blogger Didas Kalos November 23, 2018 9:21 PM  

When Jesus says do not be conformed to the 'world' and 'love not the world' he really means it. Trying to play around with the world while attempting to remain a Christian is soooo dangerous. The 'world' will win if you play. Don't do it. "Come out from among them and be ye separate!" is not a suggestion. These people are evil and controlled by the invisible evil devil.

Blogger SirHamster November 23, 2018 9:54 PM  

qualitycontrol wrote:One of the things /pol/ has somewhat understood is the importance of exposing Harry Potter (and all those other ya books) as the poorly written propaganda they are. To many people on the right still see these books still as harmless books when they are anything but harmless.

That moment you realize the un-cool anti-HP sentiment in churches during your childhood was spiritually sound.

I did think they had a point then because it normalized witches. Turns out the elders are more right than the youth can even comprehend.

Blogger James Pyrich November 23, 2018 9:58 PM  

I watched the movie that correlated to the first half of the last book when it came out, with some friends... walked out of the theatre and remarked that I felt like I just woke up from somebody else's nightmare.

I really don't have any desire to go back to figure out what it was that struck me so...

Blogger Warunicorn November 23, 2018 10:09 PM  

@James
Probably because it was so freaking depressing and gloomy.

What pissed me off the most was that this was a war. Why didn't our intrepid heroes fight it like one? Ooo, you can't use the killing curse because reasons! You had to wait for that anemic battle at the end of the second part for anyone to do anything. Pffft.

Blogger matveidaniilovich November 23, 2018 10:23 PM  

I remember seeing the trailer for the first time in the theater & immediately having a queasy feeling in my gut. I made mention of it later & my mother who was with had felt the same thing. Interesting.

Blogger Roy November 23, 2018 10:24 PM  

This is total and utter bullshit.

I've worked in the film/tv industry for over 30 years at the set level, which means actually being there when the films are being made, not sitting in an office in Hollywood.

First of all, a crew member would never be involved with helping an actor in snatching young actors for nefarious acts. It just doesn't happen. There is a very wide divide between cast and crew; crew are full time professionals there to do this job and then move to the next job.

Cast are there because this is their big chance( for a new talent) or folks who are so isolated from the crew that they never actually interact with them.

There is not a single benefit for crew to help some pervert actor, unless they too are perverts, and that is a very small possibility.

What is more likely; a usually quite conservative hardworking family type crew member, or a narcissistic, often homosexual, attention whore as being the author of bad intentions?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 23, 2018 10:46 PM  

"Turns out the elders are more right than the youth can even comprehend."

That's a pattern that repeats a lot.

"First of all, a crew member would never be involved with helping an actor in snatching young actors for nefarious acts. It just doesn't happen."

You mean you just didn't see it. Whether or not it was just not happening around you, or you're just oblivious, I won't conjecture. There's a difference between something never happening and something just not happening around you.

"What is more likely; a usually quite conservative hardworking family type crew member, or a narcissistic, often homosexual, attention whore as being the author of bad intentions?"

You're making a lot of stated and unstated assumptions there. I'm counting eight.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( the Chortler's chortler ) November 23, 2018 11:04 PM  

44. Roy November 23, 2018 10:24 PM
This is total and utter bullshit.


a - Bryan Singer says, "No, yuo!"

b - you expect a child to reliably tell the difference between his handlers and the Set Crew? or, at least, to bother drawing the distinction?

otoh, i doubt the utility of snatching the kids from a public place. especially when they might get called for a scene at any moment.

far more likely that they would have just taken care of business in the actor's trailer.

have you seen the behind-the-camera footage of Leonardo DiCaprio running around the set of Growing Pains? getting all handsy with a convicted pedophile and having the pedo refer to him as the "sexiest" actor on the set?

and then there's the public appearances Will Smith makes with his son ...
https://youtu.be/ato5z5Gw3rs?t=1m15s

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 23, 2018 11:05 PM  

Roy wrote:What is more likely; a usually quite conservative hardworking family type crew member, or a narcissistic, often homosexual, attention whore as being the author of bad intentions?
What's more likely, that a pervert producer will get people he knows he can trust to keep his secrets working on a film, or that he'd hire a hard working family guy who would turn him out in the papers?

Blogger Arthur Tintagel November 23, 2018 11:39 PM  

I was a kid when the franchise was new. All I remember is my mom renting me the first two movies on VHS, and me being really bored the whole time. I was more of a LOTR fan.

The pedophilia seems like it symbolically overlaps with the movie/books theme of adults teaching the occult to children. I just hate when churchian parents defend letting their kids indulge in the franchise because its "better for them to read Harry Potter than nothing at all", yeah its not like we have thousands of years of fairytales preserved...

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey November 23, 2018 11:44 PM  

Look, this audience is sophisticated to know what 'gossip' is. It is something that may or not may not be true, it something that may be planted in the ear of the 'publisher' by someone with any sort of agenda.

It's about as reliable as a peer-reviewed scientific paper, iow. What a pity!

Blogger cyrus83 November 24, 2018 4:22 AM  

Never read the books and the only film I saw in theaters was the first. That said, when catching bits of the third film years later on TV (I'd never seen the second), it was apparent that something was wrong even if I couldn't quite put a finger on what. Now that I've seen much of the film series in bits and pieces on TV, it strikes me that the problem with the films is that while there is obviously the evil presence in the story, there really isn't a countervailing good presence.

There are "good" characters, but they are presented that way primarily by the fact that they oppose the villain. There is a moral nihilism lurking in the background, and the few ham-handed attempts to present "love" as the source of good fall flat because none of the main characters ever really exhibit the quality or do much to demonstrate heroic goodness besides being on the right side.

Harry and his friends constantly break the rules, seemingly encouraged by their adult allies. Harry is driven by emotion, and as such is constantly making incorrect inferences about various characters and their motivations. Dumbledore and Snape are both willing deceivers and users of Harry.

Blogger I DontTroll November 24, 2018 5:37 AM  

Roy wrote:First of all, a crew member would never be involved with helping an actor in snatching young actors for nefarious acts.

Is this the exception that proves the rule?

Blogger Zwiebel November 24, 2018 5:48 AM  

I wouldn't be surprised. There is truth in Dorian Gray, and all the child actors did grow up with severely twisted faces. At least the boys.

I like the above suggestion of bringing back stakes. Invented by another victim of homosexual child rape, Vlad Dracul. If the victim thinks it is fitting...

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 24, 2018 7:14 AM  

If Rowling sold her soul for the success of Harry Potter, then the Devil came around to collect for Fantastic Beasts.

AT&T is about to assume full control of Warner Brothers and when they do, the blood is going to be ankle deep on the executive floor.

HBO is already getting a preview of what will happen to the rest of the company, slashed budgets, mass firings and the brand itself will become little more than a shadowy figurehead when AT&T rolls it into their streaming service. The DCEU is now a legendary disaster in the film industry. In less than ten years, they went from The Dark Knight to The Justice League. The guaranteed tentpoles have been snapping all over the place. The WB needed a hit, pretty badly... And Rowling just delivered a bomb.

Fantastic Beasts: Crimes of Whatever isn't doing that well at the boxoffice. It's made less than Solo a Star Wars Story. Yeah, it's doing that well.

Domestic US total is $69 million. FBO is $191 million, which is vaguely acceptable but with a production budget of $200 million. This is going to be a fairly major bomb when Warner Brothers had to have a hit.

Normally, when someone gets blamed for a Hollywood fail, they are more often than not, the sole inheritor of a tontine of bad decisions. In this case the party at fault pretty much begins and ends with J.K. Rowling. Sure there were people in charge at Warner that should have said, 'no,' to J. K. Rowling. Except the problem was, how do you say, 'no' to J. K. Rowling?


Rowling is the 21st Century's answer to George Lucas; a medium talent that is publicly praised for it's god-like brilliance...until it suddenly isn't anymore.

One Millennial's reaction to the Crimes of Grindlewald was telling. She was a huge Harry Potter fan, read all the books, saw all movies, has a wand and did the freaking cosplay but after she saw the last movie she said, Master has given Dobby a sock! Dobby is free now!

Millennials, hear me! the spell of Potter can be broken, you have the power.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 24, 2018 7:25 AM  

He actually has a chance to be more famous outside of acting in his current career than he ever did acting, despite being in such a huge franchise.

Josh Herdman? He'd played Goyle but today he's doing pretty well as an MMA fighter.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums November 24, 2018 7:51 AM  

Daniel wrote:Please refrain from referring to the porn racket as an industry. The word does not map to the phenomenon. Referring to porn as an industry somehow credentials it. Industry is good. Industry is honorable, enlightening and ennobling. Porn is none of these.

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Industry pollutes. Industry dehumanizes. Industry exploits. Industry extracts profit without concern for larger impact. Industry deracinates.

Industry is the perfect word.


*porn hussle

cyrus83 wrote:Never read the books and the only film I saw in theaters was the first. That said, when catching bits of the third film years later on TV (I'd never seen the second), it was apparent that something was wrong even if I couldn't quite put a finger on what. Now that I've seen much of the film series in bits and pieces on TV, it strikes me that the problem with the films is that while there is obviously the evil presence in the story, there really isn't a countervailing good presence.



The books and movies aren't that different. As far as adaptations goes the movies are top notch. Regarding the story the books are written so as to reflect the reader's age. Like for instance the first book is meant for 10 year olds, second 11 year olds, and so on. The tone drastically changes over the years. I started with the 4th book when it just came out and worked myself back to the other 3. From a very typical fairytale like story of good vs. evil it evolves to some gray mess of you not knowing what is what. By the 5th book everything's too ambiguous and too boring for me to care so I've quit.

Rowling tries to turn a children's story into a young adults story with a lot of retcon-ing. She also uses tricks like changing a villain into a hero and vice-versa. Sometimes with no foreshadowing at all. She does this with almost every character, including Harry. It's absurd. The story should have remained a children's story and cut it short there because everything in the whole saga falls apart at close inspection.

I see it as another one of these things that people really enjoyed when they were very young so now as adults they keep the franchise alive in a bid to recapture some of that "magic". I don't see it as evil because if J.K. Rowling would've sold her soul to the devil surely she would have written a much better story.

Stefan Molyneux has a great take on Harry Potter where he says Hogwarts was a mental asylum and Harry was insane and everything happened in his head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlIrmHOfeA8

Blogger haus frau November 24, 2018 7:55 AM  

Harry Potter reminds me of the pedo obsession with gifted children described on this blog and in the last closet. What could possibly make a child more gifted in that world that special talent in the occult?

Blogger haus frau November 24, 2018 8:04 AM  

"I don't see it as evil because if J.K. Rowling would've sold her soul to the devil surely she would have written a much better story."

I guess the Devil gets the last laugh on that one.

Blogger Tecnico November 24, 2018 8:19 AM  

Thank God I was never a fan. And after I read some articles by a Catholic writter regarding the "messages" within the series, I became even more against it.

I remember once being in a mall with a huge HP sign by my right side. Sudenly ots and lots of children came by and were about to watch the movie or were expressing how much they would to see it. I remember thinking "more children deceived by the demons".

Lucas

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums November 24, 2018 8:28 AM  

haus frau wrote:I guess the Devil gets the last laugh on that one.

That bastard!

Blogger English Tom November 24, 2018 9:42 AM  

@Snidely

Jimmy Saville was more than just a radio DJ. His crimes were covered up by the police/intelligence agencies. Saville worked for very powerful people.

Blogger Johnny November 24, 2018 10:01 AM  

@55

>>Stefan Molyneux has a great take on Harry Potter where he says Hogwarts was a mental asylum and Harry was insane and everything happened in his head: www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlIrmHOfeA8


This is to be a short rant on Molyneux’s video. He puts forward an analysis that has many moving parts. For an analysis of that sort to be correct each individual assumption has to be correct. The assumed to be fact that is to be addressed here is violence.

Consider walking. Walking is a behavior, not a motive, and thus there can be many different motives that cause people to walk. And in that respect violence is like walking, it is a behavior not a motive, thus potentially can arise from a variety of motives.

The second thing is the character of those areas of science that study human nature. They all contain a certain element of social activism. It comes in the form of casting disapproval on behaviors that are regarded as socially undesirable. One way or another they find a way to deprecate the behavior. and that is the whole problem they have in dealing with violence. Because it is generally disapproved of they deprecate it by supposing there must surely be some flaw in the person who acts out violently. Unless of course the violence is in an area that has social approval, and thus no longer proof of impure motive.

As this plays out in social policy, views of the sort Moyneux carries make it difficult to deal with violence when the reason for it is self serving, not proof of childhood neglect or some form of insanity. They end up assuming the bank robber who does it by the commonplace threat of violence, does it because he is mentally deranged, not because he wants the money. Thus the robber or criminal of any other sort becomes a victim who needs treatment, when the real ‘treatment’ needed is a sufficiently severe punishment that makes crime no longer a self serving behavior.

The effort here is not to discredit the entire video, only some of the conclusions.


Blogger Avalanche November 24, 2018 10:10 AM  

WAY OT but !!

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/catholic-exorcisms-on-the-rise/573943/

from which:

...
But far from being confined to a past of Demiurges and evil eyes, belief in demonic possession is widespread in the United States today. Polls conducted in recent decades by Gallup and the data firm YouGov suggest that roughly half of Americans believe demonic possession is real. The percentage who believe in the devil is even higher, and in fact has been growing: Gallup polls show that the number rose from 55 percent in 1990 to 70 percent in 2007.
...

Blogger Avalanche November 24, 2018 10:19 AM  

and:
...
Father Vincent Lampert, the official exorcist for the Archdiocese of Indianapolis, told me in early October that he’d received 1,700 phone or email requests for exorcisms in 2018, by far the most he’s ever gotten in one year. Father Gary Thomas—a priest whose training as an exorcist in Rome was documented in The Rite, a book published in 2009 and made into a movie in 2011—said that he gets at least a dozen requests a week. Several other priests reported that without support from church staff and volunteers, their exorcism ministries would quickly swallow up their entire weekly schedules.

The Church has been training new exorcists in Chicago, Rome, and Manila. Thomas told me that in 2011 the U.S. had fewer than 15 known Catholic exorcists. Today, he said, there are well over 100. Other exorcists I spoke with put the number between 70 and 100. (Again, no official statistics exist, and most dioceses conceal the identity of their appointed exorcist, to avoid unwanted attention.)
...


I read once, a couple decades ago, a book I had gotten via interlibrary loan.... ON exorcism, by two possession investigators for the Catholic Church. (It was in my "should I be a pagan or witch or what?" phase.)

Started reading it the evening I got it from the library.... Couple pages in, I put it down and did not touch again till the next day, in the full SUN on the deck. Once I finished it (always reading it in the Sun); I carefully 'bricked up' in my memory nearly everything I had read. It was a real proof that, as Vox writes: "evil is REAL and it's tangible in this world."

Wouldn't it be interesting (okay, terrifying!) if part of the destruction of our civilization and nation is, in FACT, demonic in a way it's hard for a modern atheist to accept?

By the way, I VERY highly recommend Vox Day's early YA books: the Eternal Warriors series. Great reads and thought-provoking for a wistful non-Christian.

The War in Heaven (Eternal Warriors Book 1)
The World in Shadow (Eternal Warriors Book 2)
and
The Wrath of Angels (Eternal Warriors Book 3)

Blogger flyingtiger November 24, 2018 10:37 AM  

#13
Porn actors are above the age of consent. There is enough material out there, so any performer knows what they are getting into. It is not like the old days where the mob had to hold a gun to the head of Candy Barr to get her into blue movies.
Child Porn is made by amateurs for a select audience. It has no mass appeal.

Blogger Bruce November 24, 2018 11:49 AM  

Everytime I see a show with a kid in it I wonder, is that kid being molested?

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums November 24, 2018 12:24 PM  

Johnny wrote:The assumed to be fact that is to be addressed here is violence.



Yeah, I've had a similar issue like this on the FDR forums a while ago. The issue is around the term "violence". Keep in mind that whenever Stefan says it he actually means "the initiation of force". A lot of people don't make that distinction I found out. I cringe every time I hear phrases like "violence never solved anything" which is idiotic and I challenge anyone who disagrees to a fight.

Blogger Brick Hardslab November 24, 2018 3:03 PM  

Ho Lee Phuc either you're Tiny Duck or he just copy pasted you in a totally ot thread over at Sailer. Did you forget which tab you had open?

Blogger Brick Hardslab November 24, 2018 3:12 PM  

Isn't it problematic for you to be reading Vox? Funny how a gay school teacher suddenly works in Hollywood.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( the Chortler's chortler ) November 24, 2018 3:23 PM  

64. flyingtiger November 24, 2018 10:37 AM
where the mob had to hold a gun to the head of Candy Barr



it's a small world.

" ...and while still underage, she was hired as a stripper at the Theater Lounge in Dallas by Barney Weinstein[5] for $85 a week. She acquired the stage name "Candy Barr" at this time (given to her by Weinstein"

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 25, 2018 8:56 AM  

if J.K. Rowling would've sold her soul to the devil surely she would have written a much better story.

The devil has many human resources he can draw on to give someone fame and fortune. Giving someone actual talent may be more difficult for him.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 25, 2018 11:44 AM  

@61

Stefan wasn't making the case, he was reading someone else's writings, and then commenting on them.

I tracked down the original, it his here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/1xy2md/the_harry_potter_series_is_about_mental_illness/

Having said that, the wooshing sound you heard was the point whistling by over your head.

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