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Friday, November 16, 2018

The cooling climate

I give it another six years before the incessant warnings about "global warming" become warnings about "the next Ice Age". Again.
The trend for fall snow across the northern hemisphere has been increasing, defying the forecasts over the last two decades for snows becoming an increasingly rare event. The 10-year running mean of the Boston area snowfall has skyrocketed to the highest level since snow records were kept and that goes back about 145 years! Fluctuations in the temperature regime and annual snowfalls are a function of about 25 global factors including changing oceanic oscillations mainly sea-surface temperature anomaly locations which impact atmospheric conditions creating certain jet stream configurations plus others such as solar activity and irradiance, geomagnetic activity, volcanism, etc.

Interestingly, some scientists have stated that increasing snow is consistent with climate change because warmer air holds more moisture, more water vapor and this can result in more storms with heavy precipitation. The trick, of course, is having sufficient cold air to produce that snow. But note that 93% of the years with more than 60″ of snow in Boston were colder than average years. The reality is cooling, not warming, increases snowfall. Note the graph depicting declining January through March temperatures for 20 years at a rate of 1.5 degrees F. per decade in the Northeast!

The lesson, as always, is pay no attention to politically-motivated science that is used as an excuse to further centralize the economy and society.

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120 Comments:

Blogger Longtime Lurker November 16, 2018 8:24 AM  

History is not going to be kind to Al Gore.

Blogger Resident Moron™ November 16, 2018 8:28 AM  

"because warmer air holds more moisture"

Cold air is dry, so it might not "hold more moisture" as an absolute measure, but it can absorb a lot more ...

It's fascinating how there are no principles or laws left in modern science, just the shifting sands of narrative convenience.

Blogger pyrrhus November 16, 2018 8:31 AM  

NASA now noticing the cooling, which is the result of the extreme solar minimum we have entered.....https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/climate/nasa-now-says-they-see-a-cooling-trend-not-warming/

Blogger pyrrhus November 16, 2018 8:34 AM  

If it's another Maunder Minimum level event, there will be snowdrifts in places like Belgium and the Thames will freeze over for months...

Blogger widlast washere November 16, 2018 8:36 AM  

We are going into another Maunder Minimum, low output from the sun. Will last about 30 years. Get used to it being cold.

Blogger Johnny November 16, 2018 8:36 AM  

Well, no, cold air can not "absorb" more. The weather shift in any one location can arise from a climate change, but the local conditions will not indicate the character of the climate change. Global cooling could, for example, cause Alaska to be warmer on average.

I am not going to call it fake science until they start begging for money. And at the moment global cooling is a useful distraction from global warming. Maybe it will help keep the warming people off our back.

Blogger dienw November 16, 2018 8:39 AM  

Tex Arcane of Vaultco was writing about the coming ice age for years.

Blogger Dominik K. November 16, 2018 8:39 AM  

It has been already the coming ice age, then global warming and now climate change. If I would be them I would stick to climate change. Under this umbrella is enough space for fear mongering of any weather.

Blogger Garuna November 16, 2018 8:41 AM  

"Science(TM)" will lose its credibility just like the media and academia have.

Blogger Rocklea Marina November 16, 2018 8:41 AM  

Warm weather, more food, more people, more openness. Cold weather, less food, more war, less people. Cleodynamics.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 16, 2018 8:42 AM  

Crop failure and famine stress an empire and cause migration and invasion, which further stress the empire.

Blogger Kat November 16, 2018 8:43 AM  

There was snow (just a dusting) in Alabama this week. That's nearly unheard of, but last year we had a "snow storm" before Christmas.

Obviously I'm perfectly happy for our summers to cool off a bit, but will this significantly impact life in the North?

Blogger James Dixon November 16, 2018 8:44 AM  

The good thing is that the millennials in DC are getting a good lesson on "global warming" this week.

Oh, and via Instapundit and the folks at Black Rifle Coffee, since guns are never off topic: https://youtu.be/aflx7nRZuRY

Now why didn't Toyota offer that when I bought my Prius C?

Blogger Bert Head November 16, 2018 8:50 AM  

I assume that means 6 years until our Great Leaders change their tune. The warnings about solar cycles 24 into 25 go back to the start of this century.
It is curious that analysis of old newspapers back into the 19th C show the regular alternation of cold and warm climate scares, with the periods overlapping.
The modern scare is notable in that it is such a spectacular extraordinary popular delusion. I am thrilled to have witnessed one that rivals the alchemy and witchcraft obsessions in popularity and economic destruction.

Blogger Rocklea Marina November 16, 2018 8:52 AM  

And yes, if reality does present us with a colder climate shift, the blame will of course be placed on the devil gas co2 and people. That's pre-scripted.

Blogger English Tom November 16, 2018 8:52 AM  

@Pyrrhus

I've been following several people on YouTube for a while nowxregardingcthe next Grand Solar Minimum. See:
Adapt2030

Ice Age Farmer

Oppenheimer Ranch project

The cooling is happening. See also the work of Valentina Zharkova

Blogger English Tom November 16, 2018 8:55 AM  

@Johnny

Re: Alaska being warmer.

David DuByne of Adapt2030 often shows a,map that reconstructs the global temperatures during the last minimum and lo and behold Alaska was much warmer. Also, parts of the Sahara were receiving snow. Just like now.

Blogger Silent Draco November 16, 2018 8:56 AM  

Conveniently covers the period right after the 20 year ramp-up they used to scream global warming. To paraphrase, "century of data or GTFO."

Michael Mann's hockey stick just splintered on the goal cage of hard data, I hope.

Blogger Johnny November 16, 2018 8:57 AM  

If indeed we do get climate change, the biggest problem could easily be shifting weather patterns. The thing is, human infrastructure is set up to be useful with things as they are, not as they might be.

I have long been skeptical with how we handle garbage and other waste. The general claim is that it is driven by environmental considerations, but it appears to be a combination of economy and cosmetics. People don't like the idea of a nasty looking pile of garbage somewhere, even if almost nobody is around to see it.

Blogger Lazarus November 16, 2018 8:58 AM  

Already started:

'Mini Ice Age' Looms As NASA Scientist Warns Lack Of Sunspots Could Bring Record Cold

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-14/mini-ice-age-looms-nasa-scientist-warns-lack-sunspots-could-bring-record-cold

I Luv Science! (math is hard)

Climate Scientists Admit To Major Math Error After Global Warming Study Debunked
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-14/climate-scientists-admit-major-math-error-after-global-warming-study-debunked

Blogger Zwiebel November 16, 2018 9:00 AM  

But... But... 99% of scientists agree!

"History is not going to be kind to Al Gore."

You think he will be remembered?

Blogger English Tom November 16, 2018 9:01 AM  

@Kat

Will this seriously impact life in the North?

You'd better believe it. Check out the YouTube channels I mentioned upthread. To get a good idea of how these minimums affect the socio-politjcal dimension, check out: Global Crisis by Geoffrey Parker which deals with the global effects of the last (Maunder) minimum. Hint: war, revolution, famine, migration, collapse of empire/polities, extremely high food and fuel prices, etc.

Recommended.

Blogger Hammerli280 November 16, 2018 9:01 AM  

Global warming, global cooling...it doesn't matter. The solution is always the same.

Euthanize liberals. I don't care what the problem is, that's the solution. Fewer liberals means less greenhouse gases. And fewer people polluting the Earth. Even if the only problem is rain falling on your picnic, the knowledge that there are fewer liberals in the world will brighten your day.

Euthanize liberals. For Mother Earth, and for the children.

Blogger Nobody of Consequence November 16, 2018 9:05 AM  

Russian and Norwegian scientists have been predicting a new ice age around 2032 for the past 2 decades. Can't wait for the glaciers to crush NY!!!

Blogger Cecil Henry November 16, 2018 9:06 AM  

Any penalities, fines and jail for those who have lied and perverted this agenda for profit and power???


Without that, it will continue and escalate.

Al Gore and many others have a lot of explaining to do.

Blogger English Tom November 16, 2018 9:08 AM  

@Silent Draco

Good point. The University of East Anglia was caught 'adjusting' (ie fiddling) their data to show a pronounced warming trend that wasn't really there.
My view is the world controllers don't want people prepared as going into a little ice age unprepared is a virtual death sentence and fits very snugly into their depopulation agenda.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey November 16, 2018 9:08 AM  

People like to talk about the coming ice age, few realize that we are currently in an ice age right now. It began about 2.6 million years ago, and it is ongoing. We are currently in one of its 'interglacial' periods, these are common warm interludes within the larger regime of a cold eon. These interglacial periods last on average of about 100,000 years, which not too long in the geological timeframe. How old is the current one we're in? About 100,000 years old.

That's what they used to teach us in the 1970s, that the end of this warming period was immanent. Then the climatologists got politicized by the late 1980s and lo and behold they completely changed their tune 180 degrees.

As for Al Gore? He had spent his early career in public life dedicated to the question of nuclear arms control, developing a reputation as one of the leading figures on the topic among politicos. Then disaster struck for his ambitions when the Soviet Union fell in 1991. He needed a new issue to champion. Viola, just in time for the 1992 campaign he issues his frantic "Earth In The Balance". You must understand his personality, he has a need to be seen as a great authority on some technical matter (ergo, his absurd claim to have invented the Internet). The Will To Guru. And all that served its purpose -- he banked 100s of millions of dollars and got lionized as a visionary by the con.


Blogger Loyd Jenkins November 16, 2018 9:11 AM  

My freshman year in college was 1977. I heard the warning about the Coming Ice Age. You see how that turned out.
I also heard how the earth could only feed 3.5 billion people, and there was already 4 billion. Yeah, that didn't turn out as anticipated either.
When I heard about Global Warming, my bologna alarm went off. Then I saw the remedies; the same 'remedies' for the Coming Ice Age. Funny that.
It all boils down to power and money. 'What can I do or say to get some?'

Blogger English Tom November 16, 2018 9:12 AM  

@Hammerli280

Re: euthanize liberals.

I know you're not Jack Ward but I stand with you on that one!

Blogger Crew November 16, 2018 9:13 AM  

Of course, they will now claim that increasing CO2 levels cause global warming and will wonder why we laugh at them.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( the Chortler's chortler ) November 16, 2018 9:14 AM  

8. Dominik K. November 16, 2018 8:39 AM
It has been already the coming ice age, then global warming and now climate change.


there were articles about "glaciers melting" in the early 1900s in things like the National Geographic. although, at that time, i don't believe they were trying to blame anthropogenic causes.


6. Johnny November 16, 2018 8:36 AM
Global cooling could, for example, cause Alaska to be warmer on average.




one of the biggest global warming "concerns" is that thawing of the northern tundras may result in a sudden release of large quantities of Methane ( a FAR more effective greenhouse gas than CO2 ) due to melting of permafrost.

the question is, where does the Methane come from?

A: rotting plant matter in the earth. exactly as methane releases from dam retention lakes are due to rotting plant matter.

Q: why are there large quantities of plant matter at depth under the northern tundras?

A: because, millenia ago, those northern tundras used to be warm enough to support Taiga forests ... and there are megatons of buried, rotting root mass left over from those ancient and long disappeared forests.

i actually saw this quoted on a PBS nature show. about fell out of my chair that they would admit that places like Alaska USED TO BE far warmer than they are today.

to your "localized climate" argument, the northern tundra where this Methane release / permafrost melt problem exists extends throughout northern Russia and Scandinavia as well as Canada and Alaska.

so, hardly a localized microclimate.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 9:15 AM  

@18

"Michael Mann's hockey stick just splintered on the goal cage of hard data, I hope."

Speaking of people who need to be murdered in the street, without so much as even a hoisting onto a lamp-post... he is the poster-child for that group.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 16, 2018 9:19 AM  

They've been trying for years to shift to "climate change" so they'd be covered either way. They did too good a job of selling global warming though, especially to school kids, so the reframing hasn't gone well.

Blogger Johnny November 16, 2018 9:19 AM  

I don't know if it is a sensible goal to optimize the planet for human habitation, but if we wanted to do that, we should be seeding the ocean with iron. It is severely lacking in mid ocean areas, and that greatly limits the ability of the local lifeforms to participate in the O2, CO2 cycle.

And if there really is global warming and we don't like it, the low cost method of dealing with it would be to seed the upper atmosphere with something that reflects sunlight, with more than one choice of might be used. But then sensible solutions need not apply.

Blogger VD November 16, 2018 9:21 AM  

You must understand his personality, he has a need to be seen as a great authority on some technical matter (ergo, his absurd claim to have invented the Internet).

I suggest it's not his personality, but rather his understanding of how the way High Business works.

Blogger English Tom November 16, 2018 9:24 AM  

@Kat

Also check out the work of Martin Armstrong at armstrongeconomics.com

Blogger bob kuk mando ( the Chortler's chortler ) November 16, 2018 9:25 AM  

12. Kat November 16, 2018 8:43 AM
There was snow (just a dusting) in Alabama this week.


northern Indiana catches a lot of Lake Effect snow off of Lake Michigan. but normally, we don't get more than a dusting or two before Christmas.

we've just gotten hammered with up to an inch of snow and nights down into the 20s F, and this has been going on for a week. they're forecasting 19F Sunday night, although it may start edging back up towards 50 by next Sunday.

hopefully this turns around or this is going to be another winter of 76 / 78.

Blogger cheddarman November 16, 2018 9:26 AM  

We need new elites. The current set is functionally retarded.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( the Chortler's chortler ) November 16, 2018 9:27 AM  

35. VD November 16, 2018 9:21 AM
I suggest it's not his personality, but rather his understanding of how the way High Business works.



i would suggest that he understands High Government and baksheesh, but other than that, i concur.

Al Gore has done extremely well for himself.

Blogger ace November 16, 2018 9:27 AM  

The next rhetorical pivot will be 'climate disruption.' Screencap this.

Blogger Crew November 16, 2018 9:28 AM  

These interglacial periods last on average of about 100,000 years, which not too long in the geological timeframe. How old is the current one we're in? About 100,000 years old.

If you are going to pontificate you need to get it right:

The current Holocene interglacial began at the end of the Pleistocene, about 11,700 years ago.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Interglacial

Blogger Carbon Based Greg November 16, 2018 9:28 AM  

Everyone acknowledges that the climate has been vastly different in the past, so why do some people think the climate today is the sacred standard that has to be preserved at all costs?

Blogger Zaklog the Great November 16, 2018 9:30 AM  

So those of you who enjoyed the poem I recorded in honor of the Supreme Dark Lord might also find a discussion of said poem interesting.

Lines Inscribed Upon a Cup Formed From a Skull
A discussion of "Lines Inscribed Upon a Cup . . .

Blogger rumpole5 November 16, 2018 9:39 AM  

There is still plenty of heat. The problem is that it is beaming past the earth. We could warm things up by deploying an orbiting mylar mirror to reflect some down to the earth. Once the heat gets down to the surface it will circulate around and warm everything up a bit. The Chinese are planning to use reflective satellites to light cities at night. The same method could also be used to extend the daylight on farm fields and to light and heat green houses.

Blogger pyrrhus November 16, 2018 9:43 AM  

If we are entering a Maunder Minimum, or worse, there will be mass starvation...and this situation will last 3 generations, possibly more....

Blogger I DontTroll November 16, 2018 9:44 AM  

rumpole5 wrote:The Chinese are planning to use reflective satellites to light cities at night. The same method could also be used to extend the daylight on farm fields and to light and heat green houses.

And global warming/climate change critics, among others.

Blogger Crew November 16, 2018 9:46 AM  

Oh, and interglacials tend to last 10,000 to 30,000 years, although the graph I just saw suggests 10,000 is a more common one, so we could be due to go back into an ice age any time now.

Blogger Amy November 16, 2018 9:48 AM  

My area of NJ got ~10” of snow last night. It was only predicted to be 1-3”. This is not unprecedented but it is unusual.

I’m sure it won’t change any ClimteChanger minds, though. Their Dear Leaders Pound the drum, and they march.

Blogger Crew November 16, 2018 9:53 AM  

The Chinese are planning to use reflective satellites to light cities at night.

The sort of orbit the article was talking about would not provide illumination for very long. Maybe 90 minutes.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 9:54 AM  

@44
"There is still plenty of heat. The problem is that it is beaming past the earth. We could warm things up by deploying an orbiting mylar mirror to reflect some down to the earth."

Even under conventional cosmology, it would get blown out of Earth's orbit by the solar wind. Under the far-more-likely to be electric universe (or even just electric sun) model, no way in hell could such a thing even get fully deployed before parts of it start getting blown farther away from the sun.

Blogger kurt9 November 16, 2018 9:54 AM  

Unlike global warming, which would actually be good for humanity in general, global cooling is a major problem. Mainly, the big chill will reduce agricultural productivity world-wide. Desertification will be another effect of global cooling. One of the tell tales that the global warming scenario is a cooked up scam is the notion that global warming will increase desertification. Anyone who believes this does not know basic physics. If the air and oceans get warmer, there will be much more evaporation which, in turn, will increase rain fall. Thus, global warming, if it were real, would shrink deserts and expand forests (as well as agricultural productivity).

Blogger Justin Bailey November 16, 2018 9:58 AM  

I can't wait to find out why global warming is causing global cooling.

Blogger Gettimothy November 16, 2018 10:05 AM  

@52 "I can't wait to find out why global warming is causing global cooling."

Legacy of white men raping Gaia of course

Blogger Duh-ave November 16, 2018 10:07 AM  

Solar Cooling (tm) will destroy us all! We need immediate and massive government spending to double the CO2 and methane content of the atmosphere. Pay for it with confiscatory taxes on electric vehicles and atomic power. Do it for the children.

Blogger Colin Flaherty's baby momma November 16, 2018 10:13 AM  

Look at that graph. Despite points scattered all over (from 1996 to 2015 - highest point in 2012, lowest in 2015) and "line of best fit" having a weak correlation to the whole data set, if the trend line were to slope up instead of down, they would consider it proof positive that global warming is undeniable.

Following historical cycles, if the data is accurate, we are due for another ice age.
But maybe we are in a New Age of Man, where reality is nothing more than what the Man tells you to believe.

Blogger ace November 16, 2018 10:19 AM  

So that's what is meant by the Anthropocene. Climate is a social construct!

Blogger Longtime Lurker November 16, 2018 10:28 AM  

@21: Do I think Al Gore will be remembered? I hope so. Google Farmer Al, Michael Kelly, and Washington Post. And enjoy.

@23: "Global warming, global cooling...it doesn't matter. The solution is always the same. Euthanize liberals."

Indeed! Climate gets warmer. More power to the government. Climate gets cooler. More power to the government.

Blogger Daniel November 16, 2018 10:30 AM  

Global Warming causes Global Cooling in much the same way that a suspension bridge in a windstorm collapses, see. You have these extreme parabolas, see? When the climate heats one degree, that is the peak of the bridge up in the air, but that has to crash down into a depression. Eventually the bridge hits a frequency of rising and depression so that it snaps.

Global Warming/Cooling is the same phenomenon: Warm is the structure at a dangerous peak, which necessarily leads to the dangerous Cold depression. Eventually, the climate snaps.

What does this snapping look like? That's easy. Once the frequency of warm-cold becomes dangerously disintegrated, the world snaps, and suddenly we will find ourselves living on a planet that has no temperature at all!

This will cause an immediate economic collapse of the thermometer industry, which will have a ripple effect throughout society. Weather forecasters will find their segment on the local news cut in half, and that isn't even considering the time lost due to their ability to estimate "wind chill." Kids will no longer be able to stay home sick by faking a fever. Fevers will not exist! The worst part, of course, will be the mass hysteria. That's why it is important to become hysterical about it now, so we all have practice.

Blogger Blaidd November 16, 2018 10:37 AM  

3 months ago I saw a graph that was claiming the Southeast would see lower than normal winter temps this year but the entire rest of the US would see higher than average temps. No one believes weathermen can predict whether it's going to rain in 3 days at a rate better than 50%, much less temperatures 3 months from now but climatologists' words are gospel about average global temp increase in 20 years?

As they say, tell a man there are 20 billion stars in the universe and he'll believe you, tell him there's wet paint on a bench and he'll have to touch it to be sure.

Blogger Justin Bailey November 16, 2018 10:37 AM  

@58 That's some quality bafflegarble. "How cleaning your room will save the planet from The Climate Snap" brought to you by Big Pharma. Don't forget to take your pills!

Blogger Blaidd November 16, 2018 10:53 AM  

Justin Bailey wrote:I can't wait to find out why global warming is causing global cooling.

They've had their unfalsifiable claims worked out for years. "Global warming was mistake in branding, scientists always called it Climate Change. Climate Change means more extreme weather. Hot summers? Climate change. Cold Winters? Climate Change. Cool Summers? Climate Change. Mild Winters? Climate change. Lots of bad hurricanes? Climate Change. Little to no bad hurricanes? Climate Change. Drought leading to wildfires? Climate Change. Record precipitation leading to massive flooding? Climate Change. But remember, weather is different from climate so you can't use weather events to disprove climate change. Now let us tax carbon emissions, you hateful baby-murdering bigot!"

Blogger Jill Domschot November 16, 2018 10:56 AM  

I can't wait for the film version of this.

Blogger veryfunnyminion November 16, 2018 10:59 AM  

"Everyone acknowledges that the climate has been vastly different in the past, so why do some people think the climate today is the sacred standard that has to be preserved at all costs?"

Boomers, of course. The climate they grew up with was the ideal climate, because they are the ideal generation.

Plus civnats. Magic dirt works on weather patterns too, doncha know?

Blogger kurt9 November 16, 2018 11:05 AM  

This book describes what global cooling will lead to:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G1SM4YU/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i1

Blogger Matthew November 16, 2018 11:07 AM  

There hasn't been any net warming for the last 20 years. This warming hypothesis has never looked worse. It makes me wonder what exactly Matt and Trey were thinking when they went all fag recently and apologized to Algore.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 11:09 AM  

@63

>> Everyone acknowledges that the climate has been vastly different in the past, so why do some people think the climate today is the sacred standard that has to be preserved at all costs?

> Boomers, of course. The climate they grew up with was the ideal climate, because they are the ideal generation.


Not only that, but the climate the Boomers grew up in was the ORIGINAL CLIMATE -- you know, like the original parts and paint job on a '57 Bel Air.

And how do we know this? Because before the Boomers, there was NOTHING. Why Boomers even invented sex! Ask them, they'll tell you.

Blogger pyrrhus November 16, 2018 11:10 AM  

@58 I think the real answer is Freudian..The climate gets hot, but then humans don't worship it as a god, which causes it to become depressed, so it becomes cold again...

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 11:10 AM  

@65

If Matt and Trey decided to apologize to AlGore for ManBearPig, they ought to just retire, posthaste.

Blogger rumpole5 November 16, 2018 11:13 AM  

Re: "Boomers, of course" -- Nope, it was pretty much the same unpredictable weather that we have now, only a lot dirtier and a little smellier because so much coal was burned. But there is nothing like the faint smell of sulfer to get one going in the morning!

Blogger Krymneth November 16, 2018 11:14 AM  

@58: I think they'll initially try to sell that. "Climate change" is also something that tries to prepare people for that idea as well. But while that may satisfy the midwits, I don't think the requisite discussion of control theory required to understand out-of-control oscillations is going to go down well with most of the public. Plus the general public is going to notice that even so, nobody has been predicting wild oscillations, but global warming, for decades into the future.

So it's going to have to be something else. The requisite excuse needs the following: 1. The solution to it must be to stop using so much energy and switch to "renewable" energy. 2. It is vitally important that we do so as soon as possible because the longer we keep doing what we're doing, the colder it's going to get. 3. It must be scientifically plausible enough that studies can be done that support some small aspect of it, and plausibly enough that midwits can understand it, (but not the debunkings) and give them ego hits from mocking others for not understanding it. 4. It should give a surface-reasonable explanation for why warming was wrong. 5. It would be preferable to re-use as many magic words as possible from the current set up to prevent the need to re-establish magic words in the public consciousness.

The thing that comes to my mind if I run through those requirements is particulate emissions. It is known that particulates in the atmosphere can cool things down, because volcanos do it all the time. If the establishment decides to go all-in on the cooling threat, My prediction is that we're going to "discover" that our models have always underestimated the effects of particulates in the atmosphere, that we've underestimated how much particulate matter is generated when we burn fossil fuels (a minor challenge here because to prevent smog we've actually done a lot of good technological work on this front, but China handwave handwave greedy capitalists not maintaining their tech etc. ought to cover this), and the consequence is that the particulate effect is overwhelming the effect of greenhouse gasses (which were probably overestimated because "blah blah").

Now we get to continue using the bogeyword "emissions", probably can rehabilitate some others too, and all the solutions are still the same.

As a bonus for a cooling-based fearmongering agenda, a lot of the fearmongering gets to mix a lot more truth in. Cooling really is more dangerous.

They should have put their markers down on this instead of global warming from the beginning. Just as easy to forge a cooling trend as a warming trend, and given Earth's real climate, a better bet for the decade-scale future.

Blogger Silent Draco November 16, 2018 11:30 AM  

Krymneth, it would have been amusing to watch the Warming Crusaderz retrofit cows with methane collection devices, one each. It'll be absolutely hilarious to watch them (pay per view? broadcast?) outfit every volcano in the world with a particulate baghouse - erupt, replace, repeat. Within three years the problem will be solved, as the last SJW sacrifice vaporizes itself.

Blogger pyrrhus November 16, 2018 11:31 AM  

O/T Meanwhile, rounds 736 and 737 in the no-election-is-final-until-the-Democrat-wins sagas in Ga and FL...https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stacey-abrams-brian-kemp-georgia-governor-prepares-new-vote_us_5beebf8fe4b0510a1f30047d

Blogger pyrrhus November 16, 2018 11:34 AM  

@71 Yes, it's quite hilarious that one small volcano in Iceland, Katia, produces 2/3 the amount of CO2 produced by 8 billion humans...

Blogger Jack Ward November 16, 2018 11:36 AM  

@ 29 Tom
euthanize libs
Well, thank you Tom for the slim bit of notoriety, I think.
Now, I have believed for years we were overdue for the next ice age. A maunder minimum? Sure, a precursor; the canary in the coal mine.
But, euthanize the liberals? NO, we must utilize all resources in the upcoming ice age. So, take the libs, used them for slave labor, feed them just enough to do the work, and you have a labor force that might be of some use. The conditions of being worked to death would be rough in the M. minimum; but hey, they would surely do it to us. we need get in on the ground floor.
So say I...

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 16, 2018 11:40 AM  

"So it's going to have to be something else. The requisite excuse needs the following:"

Fossil fuels are most efficient, and produce greenhouse gases, so they all need to be stockpiled by the government -- and I do mean ALL. Everyone has to start using renewable yesterday so we can contr-erm, I mean ho-stockpile! enough fossil fuels to burn all at once to punch the ice age square in the face and scare it away.

Same reason we won't let anyone use nuclear energy -- we need to hoard maximum nukes in Cambodia to break up glaciers.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 16, 2018 11:48 AM  

"It'll be absolutely hilarious to watch them (pay per view? broadcast?) outfit every volcano in the world with a particulate baghouse - erupt, replace, repeat."

Which is why they insist that volcanics produce nowhere near as much as man, contrary to all evidence. They know perfectly well that trying to cap volcanoes isn't a paying scam. Taxing people for breathing, on the other hand...

Blogger justaguy November 16, 2018 11:49 AM  

I think that hotter is baked into the cake of the current crop of elites and the tune will not change. They have already changed to data sets so that the past temperatures are cooler (i.e the hot 1930s) and changed the structure of the temperature stations (only urban stations badly sited) to record warming. So their signal will still be warming for the next decade or so, even if everything else slowly cools. In 10 years we will still be fighting against carbon taxes and other such power grabs in order to save the environment. Why does anyone think that reality applies to the left anyway?

Blogger Crew November 16, 2018 11:53 AM  

And now the Governor of NJ is blaming the forecasters for his willingness to believe the bullshit that snow is a thing of the past!

https://www.northjersey.com/story/weather/2018/11/15/snowstorm-nj-2018-heres-how-commute-turned-into-complete-chaos/2019729002/?fbclid=IwAR00oGXkIx6Fuq1uUIb2qzOkaRJi-yEjZnPLKTkaqUfFP4ukmJm_mf0QIqw

Blogger pyrrhus November 16, 2018 11:56 AM  

And now a prominent climatologist with a great track record is predicting a Super Minimum lasting 300-400 years, which Martin Armstrong's AI has also suggested.....https://www.sott.net/article/400195-Professor-Valentina-Zharkova-explains-and-confirms-why-a-Super-Grand-Solar-Minimum-is-upon-us

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 16, 2018 12:00 PM  

"Why does anyone think that reality applies to the left anyway?"

Because it is appointed unto a man once to die.

Blogger Iron Spartan November 16, 2018 12:10 PM  

Climate Statis is a physical and mathematical impossibility. That little fact tends to melt the brains of the IFLS crowd.

The argument can be made, and has been by people who are not bought and paid for hacks, that global warming is a good thing. We are not even up to the estimated average temp of the Medieval Warm period, which saw farms in Greenland, northern Canada and northern Russia.

Nobody of any credit anywhere has ever said that that cooling is a good thing. First off, if the bread baskets of Russia and Canada get shut down, you will see mass famine. Canada, Russia, and USA account for almost half of the worlds wheat exports, and most the fields are in northern areas with short growing seasons already.


One of the reasons that the world has been as stable as it has the last 80 years is that we haven't seen any famines anywhere near the first world. That will change, quickly and brutally. The next 100 years is going to see conflict that is more the norm of the human race, rather than the peaceful times we have experienced.

Blogger RusticFederalist November 16, 2018 12:13 PM  

Cool.

Blogger Bastion Harm November 16, 2018 12:15 PM  

One white pill in this: it will almost certainly put a huge damper on the "rising tide of color."

Blogger szopen November 16, 2018 12:18 PM  

farms in Greenland
There already are farms in Greenland because of warming climate. Unfortunately, they have not enough water and because of that they are still unprofitable.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/11/17/502349923/climate-change-is-making-greenland-warmer-but-farmers-there-are-struggling

Blogger szopen November 16, 2018 12:29 PM  

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Blogger DonReynolds November 16, 2018 12:41 PM  

Cold air masses are very dry and cooling results in condensation, which becomes rain, sleet, snow, and freezing rain

When cold air masses mix with warm air masses the cold air is heavier and normally slides under the warm air masses, exposing warm humid air to cooler temps. This mixing of warm and cold air is facilitated by the upper air jet stream....often from polar regions to the lower 48 states. A special form of this is the "lake effect snow", usually associated with cold air blown by the wind over the warm waters of the Great Lakes....condensation becomes precipitation.

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 16, 2018 12:45 PM  

The atmosphere can only hold so much humidity/moisture. Any particulate matter in the air will cause moisture to attach and form clouds. Enough particulate matter in the air, we get rain. Unless it is being suggested that the world temperature will no longer allow for freezing temperatures (I guess the Earth tilt will be straightened out by some mechanism) any moisture in the atmosphere will come down as snow (or rain), which will delay the rewarming. The more moisture, the more snowfall (or rain), the longer the rewarming. The snowfall (or rain) decreases the amount of moisture in the atmosphere, lowering greenhouse effect of moisture in the atmosphere, ... on and on and on.

The Sun is the primary source of energy outside our ecosystem. As the sun goes, so will the long term changes to our atmospheric dynamics.

Blogger DonReynolds November 16, 2018 12:46 PM  

szopen wrote:farms in Greenland

There already are farms in Greenland because of warming climate. Unfortunately, they have not enough water and because of that they are still unprofitable.


Meanwhile, nearby Iceland becomes a major banana grower already.

Blogger JaimeInTexas November 16, 2018 12:49 PM  

Why is it called Greenland?

Blogger rumpole5 November 16, 2018 12:51 PM  

This is the Wiki entry for a blizzard I recall in 1967 that still has not been matched in snowfall:

"The Chicago blizzard of 1967 struck northeast Illinois and northwest Indiana on January 26–27, 1967, with a record-setting 23 inches snow fall in Chicago and its suburbs before the storm abated the next morning. As of 2017, it remains the greatest snowfall in one storm in Chicago history. "

The snow fell wet and then froze as the temperature fell overnight. We had to quarry it into ice blocks because it could not be shoveled. People now only think that the weather is unusual because they can only remember the few years of a human lifspan. The truth is that the weather is wildly variable over time. Any significant constancy is illusory.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 16, 2018 1:01 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:Why is it called Greenland?
For the same reason a housing development built on a fetid swap is called Pleasant Valley.

Blogger Longtime Lurker November 16, 2018 1:21 PM  

John Kerry says "people are going to die" because Trump withdrew the United States from the Paris Climate Accord.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/417126-kerry-people-are-going-to-die-due-to-trumps-withdrawal-from-paris

Earth to the Brahmin Bunny: People are going to die. Because they always have.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 1:22 PM  

Another Pleasant Valley Sundaaayyyyy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUzs5dlLrm0

Blogger Crew November 16, 2018 1:42 PM  

This new-style global warming my result in the demise of Ocasio-Cortez, and if that doesn't, using renewables likely will:

https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2018/11/15/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-demands-100-percent-renewable-energy-in-10-years-in-green-new-deal/

Blogger Didas Kalos November 16, 2018 1:46 PM  

And all the NPCs will say. .. ... Self correcting science.

Blogger Mr Darcy November 16, 2018 2:08 PM  

The current Grand Solar Minimum is called the "Eddy GSM." We enetered it in 2015. Look for increased earthquake and volcanic activity. Also catastrophic crop failures. Possibly population migrations (what else is new?). It could bring Western man back to his senses. We should know by 2025 whether this one will be as severe as the Maunder GSM.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 2:27 PM  

The bright side... the "New Swedes" will decide they don't want to be Swedish any more....

Blogger dvdivx November 16, 2018 2:47 PM  

That really sums up modern science when warm air is the cause for increased snowfall.

Blogger SciVo November 16, 2018 3:06 PM  

Glaciers are God's way of saying, "France is too black."

Blogger BillD November 16, 2018 3:52 PM  

Enjoyable novel about diehard warmists ignoring advancing glaciers: "Fallen Angels" by Niven, Pournelle, and Flynn.

Blogger Silly but True November 16, 2018 4:49 PM  

At this point they’re just copying the plots of the Ice Age movies.

They’re still on Ice Age: Meltdown.

“With global warming threatening their once-icy domain with widespread flooding, Manny (Ray Romano), Sid (John Leguizamo) and Diego (Denis Leary) set out to find a safe haven. Along the way, another mammoth (Queen Latifah), who thinks she is an opossum, joins the travelers on their perilous quest.”

Blogger Crew November 16, 2018 4:59 PM  

@79: Perhaps that explains why certain countries are building up their military resources so they can deal with the issues likely arising from 2025 and beyond.

Blogger Al K. Annossow November 16, 2018 6:42 PM  

FYI

At 100 degrees and about 100% relative humidity, air contains less than 5% water, despite the way it feels.

Of the many climate models, all predicted higher than actual temperatures for the recent years. One gets pretty close - the one from Russia's Institute of Numerical Mathematics, version 4. They have a version 5 but I haven't seen results from it. And no, I don't know if Russia has an Institute of Non-numerical Mathematics. But it is known that the Russian one get the heat transfers in the tropics pretty good and the other models don't. Over water or plants, energy/heat from sunlight is used to evaporate water rather than raise surface temperature. Humid air rises (Yes it does!) and so does warm air. Both transfer heat upward so heat is given off as infrared up high where the greenhouse gases reflect back less of it to the surface. So less overall green house gas effect. Russia gets this right, or at least better. At this point, others seem to be willfully ignorant.

Carbon dioxide is pretty weak as a greenhouse gas. Water vapor is strong. The alarm depends on a little warming from carbon dioxide. The little warming causes other things, like more water vapor etc, to magnify the effect(positive feedback). But in reality, other things also dampen the effect (negative feedback). Despite ongoing news, the alarm is decreasing among scientists as the feedbacks are better understood but they aren't reversing opinions en mass yet.

Scientists were reluctant to attribute interglacial cycles to sun output cycles because the sun cycled more often. But a plausible mechanism has been proposed for why several sunny cycles are skipped before one melts the glaciers. So the temporary reprieves from the ice age are sun caused and thus not easily affected. Glaciers are coming.

The sun also has a small orbit around the gravitational center of the solar system. Jupiter an Saturn cause the 'barycenter' to not be the center of the sun.

For any given location, it's pretty normal to set a few record highs AND lows every year.

Sorry for the length, but in person, some people seem to like to hear some of this.

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 16, 2018 7:06 PM  

I for one welcome an ice age. It was during a mini ice age that much happened in the world. Such would be fitting for a 4th turning.

Blogger rumpole5 November 16, 2018 7:24 PM  

The ilk are apocalypse junkies - fantasizing about every type of possible disaster. Read some history. If civilization survived the fall of the Roman empires, Islam, the black plague, the 100 years war, the reformation, the 30 years war, the little ice age, the French revolution, the Napoleonic wars, World Wars One and Two, Communism, and the end of the European colonial system, I am pretty sure that it will survive some cold (or warm) weather.

Blogger eclecticme November 16, 2018 8:13 PM  

"Left means never having to say you're sorry."
No amount of reality will ever make the warmists admit they were wrong. As Thomas Sowell noted, intention means everything to such people. They need only say they meant well.

Blogger eclecticme November 16, 2018 8:24 PM  

I recall a theory about the relation between sunspots and earth temperature.From memory. Solar wind is stronger during low sunspot periods. Stronger solar wind blows away more of the magnetoshpere protecting the earth from cosmic rays. More cosmic rays means more cloud nucleation which means less sunlight hitting the earth.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 8:39 PM  

@103

Numerical Mathematics is the branch that deals exclusively in crunching numbers, or getting numerical solutions to equations.

Non-Numerical Mathematics is the branch which deals exclusively in fiddling with formulas, and getting symbolic/descriptive solutions to equations and inequalities.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 8:43 PM  

@103

"
Carbon dioxide is pretty weak as a greenhouse gas. Water vapor is strong. The alarm depends on a little warming from carbon dioxide. The little warming causes other things, like more water vapor etc, to magnify the effect(positive feedback). But in reality, other things also dampen the effect (negative feedback). Despite ongoing news, the alarm is decreasing among scientists as the feedbacks are better understood but they aren't reversing opinions en mass yet."

A simple observation of the history of temps and CO2 levels on this planet is all it takes to understand that the negative feedbacks in the system are FAR STRONGER than the positive feedbacks.

(Clue for the clueless: Positive feedbacks lead to system instability, Negative feedbacks lead to system stability.)

Blogger Dirk Manly November 16, 2018 8:46 PM  

@108

"No amount of reality will ever make the warmists admit they were wrong. As Thomas Sowell noted, intention means everything to such people. They need only say they meant well. "

I have taken to responding to the "I meant well" people by stomping on their foot. And when they complain, "Oh! Stop complaining. YOU KNOW I meant well."

Blogger Crew November 16, 2018 8:59 PM  

If you look at this chart: http://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/perap2001.html

you will see that the Earth will be further away from the sun at Perihelion than average for 9 years from 2022 to 2030, but could lead to a build up of cold weather. We will also be further away next January, although closer in 2020.

I wonder if those numbers are relative to the barycenter or actual distance from the Sun?

Blogger DonReynolds November 16, 2018 9:51 PM  

Iceland was named first, so the most appropriate name was already gone. Not many people wanted to migrate to Greenland, but with the new Greenland name, that should make recruiting pioneers easier.

Blogger tublecane November 16, 2018 10:47 PM  

In my memory, manufactured global warming hysteria hit its peak around '07-'08. Just after An Inconvenient Truth. Climategate hit in '09, and I want to say the Hockey Stick Illusion guy did a number on Michael Mann around the same time.

Which isn't to say these things stopped alarmists. But global warming long ago "jumped the shark." They don't even call it that anymore . Now it's just another in a litany of things lefties complain about. Most of the time they're no more emotional about it than tax policy.

Blogger Crew November 16, 2018 11:19 PM  

Reinforcing the double dynamo model with solar-terrestrial activity in the past three millennia By Valentina Zharkova et al.

Blogger DonReynolds November 17, 2018 12:00 AM  

I never had a problem with climate alarmists claiming the weather is going to be colder nor did I have a problem when they claimed it would be warming.

Does not matter to me if it gets colder or warmer. We go through this every year. They are called "seasons" and they change the weather pattern. Nothing new about that or unusual and every year is different.

Where I begin to get annoyed is when they say we need to capture cow farts, or we need to stop eating meat, or we need to pay a fat tax, so we will economize on the use of electric power.

But where I get just downright mean is when the climate people claim that human behavior is causing global climate change. This is just rubbish and they have proved it themselves.

WE have been told by the climate people that periods of global warming have occurred in the past. They know this from chemical analysis of the gases trapped in polar ice. Most of these periods of climate change were BEFORE the human era! The two that did occur during the human era could not possibly be caused by human behavior. Humans were too few and scattered and feeble by comparison. Human settlement did not cause climate change, and altering their behavior is not going to stop or prevent climate change. The climate changes all the time, and always will.

The Climate Change people have already proven that they do not believe it either. They have not adopted all the lifestyle changes they insist that we adopt. If they actually believed that their behavior might destroy the Earth, they would be leading the way, an example to everyone else to minimize their impact on the environment. But they do not do that, so they are fakes and they do not believe it either.

Blogger Al K. Annossow November 17, 2018 12:48 AM  

I once skimmed thru the report that India produced outlining how they would eventually reduce their emissions output to comply with the Paris Climate Accord. They were going to spend $3.5 trillion to achieve infrastructure changes. That $3.5 trillion was to come as free donations from other countries in the accord, meaning mostly just one country. Of course, a transfer and spending of that much money creates opportunities for people in the know to invest.

The best way to reduce world-wide emissions from manufacturing, if people really thought that was important, would be to move manufacturing back to first world countries which already have efficiencies in place and in which most of the goods are consumed without transporting them half way across the world.

If carbon emissions were actually so terrible, they would tax carbon in India and China.

Blogger Al K. Annossow November 17, 2018 1:26 AM  

Positive and negative feedbacks in the climate are not an all change or no change, instability or stability scenario. Both types have diminishing returns. But if you've seen references to the term "hothouse earth" recently, it came from a lightweight scientific article about how a little warming could push us out of a local minimum of somewhat stable temperatures and bring into play many positive feedbacks that take us far past all current temperature estimates. It got traction because it had some nicely done graphics that illustrate what a local minimum of stability of temperatures means. Journalists like pictures.

In reality, if surface temperatures increase, the rate of heat dissipation to space via infrared radiation also increases. But since there is a finite input of heat via sunlight, a new and stable equilibrium with higher temperatures is created. Research keeps lowering the global temperature of that new equilibrium. The current range is 1.5 - 4.5 degrees Celsius above "pre-industrial temperatures." They write that as if we had settled into an equilibrium after the mini ice age. We didn't.

Climate alarmist aren't crazy. They just suffer from their own biases or have an actual agenda. Both environmentalists and religious people seem to always have a fear and desire that the Earth should be destroyed very soon because the evil has gotten too out of hand.

Blogger Resident Moron™ November 17, 2018 4:33 AM  

Things that will soon destroy the world:
-right wing extremists
-climate change
-bird/swine flu
-Fukushima fallout
-short sellers
-misogyny / racism
-Donald J Trump

Things that will never destroy the world:
-left wing depravity
-money supply debasement
-global debt pyramid
-world wide flood
-the second coming

Take your pick.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 6:28 AM  

@115

"The Climate Change people have already proven that they do not believe it either. They have not adopted all the lifestyle changes they insist that we adopt. If they actually believed that their behavior might destroy the Earth, they would be leading the way, an example to everyone else to minimize their impact on the environment. But they do not do that, so they are fakes and they do not believe it either."

More significantly, they didn't sell their beach-front property. If all those hotels on ocean beaches around the world were at high risk of being flooded by "rising sea levels," you would think they would be on the market at fire sale prices, so that these wealthy owners could get out BEFORE these properties become too flooded to be salable.

Blogger Ryan G November 19, 2018 6:40 PM  

If there is one valuable lesson the whole "trans rights" movement has taught me, it's that the people who believe this kind of pap have exactly zero retrospection.

That nonsense came out of nowhere less than a decade ago, yet to listen to lefties you'd think those delusional people had always been some vast, persecuted minority. It only took a few years of contrived media exposure to get all the lefties on board with a belief that contradicts readily observable reality.

For another example, look how swiftly they pivoted from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change". I used to think that scene in 1984 where Oceania's alliance flipped from Eurasia to Eastasia was unrealistic. Yet, it took just a year for everyone to switch terminologies, never once asking 'why?'.

So, I don't doubt for a second that this information, once it can no longer be ignored, will be spun into The New Narrative and The Old Narrative will become a thought crime.

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