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Friday, November 30, 2018

Three more rules for life

From Appendix C of the newly released paperback edition of Jordanetics. The first five rules were previously posted here.

6. Set your face against evil. You will encounter evil within and evil without on a daily basis. Stand against all of it, without fear, without hesitation, and without remorse. And when you fail, when you give into temptation, when you are defeated, regroup, repent, and rise again.

7. Do what is right. Learn to listen to the still, small voice of conscience. Do what you know to be right, not what you can rationalize, justify, or excuse. If you have to talk yourself into something, then you probably already know in your heart of hearts that you are doing the wrong thing.

8. Tell the truth in kindness. It is too hard and too exhausting to spend all your mental energies trying to keep track of an ever-growing multitude of exaggerations, false narratives, self-serving spins, and outright lies. Just tell the truth, as you best understand it, without taking pride in it or using it to hurt others.

Appendix C is now also included in the Kindle edition.

UPDATE: I also did an early Darkstream announcing the publication of Jordanetics in paperback. The man is already running scared; he's STILL trying to explain away his Kavanaugh tweet.

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68 Comments:

Blogger Mocheirge November 30, 2018 1:23 PM  

Stand against all of it, without fear, without hesitation, and without remorse.

I think that, having adopted the leftwing weltanschauung, modern whites -- especially conservatives -- suffer PTSD after violating liberal taboos. Even though they may have performed a Biblically righteous act, they can't repeat it in the future because of remorse for some fake sin. Too many conservatives start out on the right path, but after making one significant correct decision, the world convinces them it hurt someone else.

We need to pull whites out of conservatism so that they don't respect the liberal taboos.

Blogger James G. November 30, 2018 1:38 PM  

Posted an Amazon review - awaiting approval. In the mean time, it went up on my blog:

https://agentsrapier.com/2018/11/30/jordanetics-by-vox-day/

Blogger VD November 30, 2018 1:48 PM  

Thanks, good review. It's vital for people to understand that there is something worse than nonsense involved with Peterson.

Blogger Cary November 30, 2018 2:19 PM  

Just read the full list on the updated Kindle version. Excellent advice for any man. And so concise and easy to understand unlike JBP’s bafflegarble.

I’m only about halfway through the book so far, but what really stands out is how you reveal the evil that’s hidden in his logorrhea.

Blogger Peaceful Poster November 30, 2018 2:27 PM  

Learn to listen to the still, small voice of conscience

I've heard this expression from questionable spiritual sources like the New Age crowd.

But what does it mean from a Christian perspective? Is it the voice of the Holy Spirit?

Blogger Unknown November 30, 2018 2:33 PM  

Vox just preordered the paperback on Amazon. Can’t wait to read and then redpill my indoctrinated lobster friends. One of the suckers even paid money to meet him once.

Any idea when it’ll start shipping on amazon? Haven’t been this excited to read a book in a while. It’s about time someone took this gnostic male oprah down a peg.

Thanks

Blogger VD November 30, 2018 2:37 PM  

Any idea when it’ll start shipping on amazon?

Middle of next week, most likely.

Blogger Desdichado November 30, 2018 2:38 PM  

Peaceful Poster wrote:Learn to listen to the still, small voice of conscience

I've heard this expression from questionable spiritual sources like the New Age crowd.

But what does it mean from a Christian perspective? Is it the voice of the Holy Spirit?


Yes. Re-read the story of Elijah in the wilderness, where he had to flee after his confrontation with the priests of Baal.

Blogger Argus Bacchus November 30, 2018 3:02 PM  

I finished this up a few days ago. It's an outstanding book with assertions that are proven beyond any reasonable doubt.

Well done, Vox.

I'm hoping my kindle edition of the book will be updated soon. Appendix C is a worthy addition.

Blogger Johnny November 30, 2018 3:04 PM  

>>Learn to listen to the still, small voice of conscience

It turns up in later Christian literature also.

Blogger VD November 30, 2018 3:08 PM  

I finished this up a few days ago. It's an outstanding book with assertions that are proven beyond any reasonable doubt.

Thanks. Be sure to put a review up on Amazon. The Most Helpful review right now is a long, superficial one-star review by a lobster cultist.

Blogger Fozzy Bear November 30, 2018 3:30 PM  

I decided to dip into the trifecta of awfulness that is Shapiro and Peterson on Rubin. Peterson just declared that the highest ethical practice is child sacrifice, as the others nodded along. I wish this was sarcasm.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia November 30, 2018 3:40 PM  

VD wrote

8. Tell the truth in kindness.

The method by which you deliver truth has implications. You can do it smugly, forefully, or kindly.

And of course sometimes not telling the truth and keeping quiet(though not lying, obviously) is the best course.

Some truths are not that important, or will simply be rejected by your interlocutor. Don't waste your time. (Another rule?)

Blogger R Webfoot November 30, 2018 3:42 PM  

@12
"Peterson just declared that the highest ethical practice is child sacrifice"

I am guessing he was talking about Abraham and Isaac.
... I mean, I remember his take on that, that sacrifice developed as symbolic expression of the understanding that the universe favors those who are willing to sacrifice something they value, perhaps even what you value most. He talks about the Jesus sacrifice as the archetypal example of this...

but really, I hope you're not onto something more.

Blogger tz November 30, 2018 3:45 PM  

There are still small voices from both sides, including evil ones that say "everything will be fine" and convince you to not act, or to not really fight but only complain. They also turn around and suggest some sin isn't really a sin, or won't be a problem, etc.
But the other side prompts action, or avoidance of sin. You need to discern, but mostly not let your will be swayed by passions. Pray and read scripture - it should reveal the correct path if you let it.

The thing that advantages protestants is they don't have the liturgy or rosary or set things, so they pray and read scripture. But scripture doesn't clarify everything, so the fragmentation is a feature, not a bug. Each is trying to please God, obeying commandments without being legalistic.

Even for Catholics there is an indulgance for reading the Bible for 30 minutes. Few do it.

Blogger Fozzy Bear November 30, 2018 3:53 PM  

@14 yes, but it was still shocking to hear the point made so baldly.

Blogger Silent Draco November 30, 2018 4:05 PM  

Peaceful Poster, read 3 Chronicles 18-19, I think. Elijah encountered the LORD not in a hurricane, earthquake, or fire, but on the small voice that spoke to him after the fire. Elijah then hid his face in righteous fear of the Lord.

Blogger testtesttest November 30, 2018 4:07 PM  

When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Blogger Jonathan November 30, 2018 4:08 PM  

8. Tell the truth in kindness.

It's easy to use "I'm just being honest" as an excuse to be cruel or petty. Truth in kindness is an excellent rule to live by.

Blogger Thumos November 30, 2018 4:40 PM  

Secular pseudo-stoic "virtue" like this will always fail. If the universe is a brute chemical process set in motion at the big bang, then there is no truth, and no right and wrong, and that will always be so no matter how hard the Globalists try.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 30, 2018 4:59 PM  

"Thanks. Be sure to put a review up on Amazon. The Most Helpful review right now is a long, superficial one-star review by a lobster cultist."

Come on guys, this is fixable. Give some bumps to the well written positive reviews.

Blogger jaericho November 30, 2018 5:06 PM  

@9 My kindle version has been updated.

Blogger RC November 30, 2018 5:18 PM  

Rule #12 is the best.

Blogger DJT November 30, 2018 5:33 PM  

Well said!

Blogger dadofhomeschoolers November 30, 2018 5:34 PM  

Many times brutal honesty is more about the brutality than the truth

Blogger Avalanche November 30, 2018 5:45 PM  

Thank you thank you thank you!!!

Blogger SirHamster November 30, 2018 6:24 PM  

jaericho wrote:@9 My kindle version has been updated.

It's unclear how Kindle updates work. Checking on my Amazon account, didn't see anything about updating the Jordanetics book, even though there were update buttons for some older ebooks.

The ebook on my Kindle was version 1. Removing the book and re-downloading it resulted in version 3. Per Vox, the current version is 5.

Blogger Jack (LJCSOGHMOMAS) November 30, 2018 6:57 PM  

This quotation from another article in my news feed today seems relevant:

“I shall no longer ask myself if this or that is expedient, but only if it is right. I shall do this, not because I am noble or unselfish, but because life slips away, and because I need for the rest of my journey a star that will not play false to me, a compass that will not lie…. I am lost when I balance this against that, I am lost when I ask if this is safe…. Therefore I shall try to do what is right, and to speak what is true. I do this not because I am courageous and honest, but because it is the only way to end the conflict of my deepest soul. I do it because I am no longer able to aspire to the highest with one part of myself, and to deny it with another. I do not wish to live like that, I would rather die than live like that. I understand better those who have died for their convictions, and have not thought it was wonderful or brave or noble to die. They died rather than live, that was all.”

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey November 30, 2018 7:21 PM  

I've gotten to the point to where I absolutely cannot bear to hear Jordy's voice. I just can't bear it!

I never was on board with him. He came to my attention after that interview he did with blonde SJW woman on BBC. Jordy did well in that exchange and made it to my "TO DO" list, but I never got around to looking into him before Vox did.

So I was favorably inclined towards him, but not sold on him. Once again I have to thank Vox for taking the time to examine this creature and suffering through the word-salad nightmare of "Maps of Meaning" and other such tendentious academic bafflegab garbage.

Now, whenever I hear him speak my skin crawls. This ought to be the default reaction to any of these bafflegabbers from academia, or rather I hope it becomes the default reaction. They are such con artists, almost to a man. If what you have to say is well-meant and spoken for the actual purpose of COMMUNICATION, no need exists for bafflegab.


Bafflegab is designed for the opposite of communication. Bafflegab is designed to win the day through sheer exhaustion.

Blogger Sean Carnegie November 30, 2018 7:24 PM  

It's baffling to see Canadian "conservative" sites still backing and outright pimping for JBP even with the evidence that's been presented.

"See, he's just so much a leftist" as they point to the TV interview that launched him but will not read any sort of stuff like his desire to buy a church or forgetting his meds, etc.

Blogger Dave November 30, 2018 7:40 PM  

The ebook on my Kindle was version 1. Removing the book and re-downloading it resulted in version 3. Per Vox, the current version is 5.

I upgraded and got version 3, which does include Vox's rules.

I'm still waiting for Amazon to give me the updated cover for An Equation of Almost Infinite Complexity that came out, what, last year?

All the more reason to shop Castalia/Arkhaven.

Blogger Argus Bacchus November 30, 2018 7:51 PM  

@22

Mine just got updated too. Thanks.

Blogger C.B. Robertson November 30, 2018 8:46 PM  

Just got mine

Blogger SciVo November 30, 2018 9:05 PM  

7. Do what is right. Learn to listen to the still, small voice of conscience. Do what you know to be right, not what you can rationalize, justify, or excuse.

As a corollary, practice virtue when the stakes are small, and it will be easier to do the right thing when it's hard.

I know a guy who was fired for taking candy from a candy dish on an office desk, and I think it was the right call. The Rationalization Hamster will say, "Well the cost is so small that it doesn't matter"; but another way of looking at the same thing is, "If he couldn't resist such a small temptation, how can I trust him with anything big?"

So when a night-shift security officer was caught on webcam taking candy from the candy dish on a desk in a locked office -- not once, but night after night, which is why the camera was put in place -- it was not to his credit that the trust he violated was small. Because the exact same factor applied to how little it would've cost him to buy his own damn candy, and what if the temptation was bigger than ten cents?

Watch what a man does when the stakes are small, feel your resentment when he doesn't even bother to resist a tiny temptation, and remember it when you're tempted yourself.

Blogger tz November 30, 2018 9:10 PM  

The problem is not Jordanetics, but Jordanethics which is do what thou wilt.

Blogger Ahärôwn November 30, 2018 9:13 PM  

Tell the truth in kindness.

Indeed. Ephesians 4:15.

Thanks for these, Vox.

Blogger Jackie Chun November 30, 2018 9:17 PM  

I want to write a list called 12 rules for Basil Lee. The first one will be You should have gone to Europe!

Blogger Cecil Henry November 30, 2018 9:21 PM  

Peterson is virtue signalling for
Ben Shapiro now... apparently he's sore that people are questioning his media rise:



'More on the "mysterious" popularity of Ben Shapiro: '

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1068677567195070465

Blogger SciVo November 30, 2018 9:27 PM  

Dave wrote:I'm still waiting for Amazon to give me the updated cover for An Equation of Almost Infinite Complexity that came out, what, last year?

Try deleting it from your computer/device and re-downloading. The ebook format that Amazon uses (Mobipocket) treats the cover as basically metadata, so it would take a separate effort to update it with the text, and thoroughness is inefficient and therefore a production vice.

Blogger Unbearified Fred November 30, 2018 11:57 PM  

I am new to the blog, I mostly listen on youtube. Of the few blogposts I have read (maybe 10 or so) this is by far the best. Thank you for it!

Blogger Don't Call Me Len December 01, 2018 12:14 AM  

OT - Finally, football's putting Israel first! What took these Not-Sees so long!?!?

http://www.espn.com/soccer/chelsea/story/3714067/chelsea-new-england-revolution-announce-antisemitism-match-in-united-states

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 01, 2018 12:24 AM  

GHWB has mercifully left us.

Blogger Dave December 01, 2018 12:26 AM  

SciVo wrote:Dave wrote:I'm still waiting for Amazon to give me the updated cover for An Equation of Almost Infinite Complexity that came out, what, last year?

Try deleting it from your computer/device and re-downloading. The ebook format that Amazon uses (Mobipocket) treats the cover as basically metadata, so it would take a separate effort to update it with the text, and thoroughness is inefficient and therefore a production vice.


Yeah, did that multiple times on multiple devices. It's quite funny when I still see it pop up now and then on the Vox Popoli sidebar.

Blogger Dave December 01, 2018 12:42 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:GHWB has mercifully left us.

Read my lips, bitch.

Blogger Retrenched December 01, 2018 1:15 AM  

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Blogger Retrenched December 01, 2018 1:27 AM  

"GHWB has mercifully left us."

Did he disinvite Trump from his funeral like McCain did? Wouldn't surprise me as he was a Hillary supporter.

Blogger R Webfoot December 01, 2018 2:07 AM  

@39
"Try deleting it from your computer/device and re-downloading."

Might not work.... I deleted and redownloaded Jordanetics half a dozen times and didn't get the Appendix C. I looked up how to manually force an update from your Amazon account; that worked immediately.

Blogger Samuel Nock December 01, 2018 3:49 AM  

People: Show some love for the 5-star reviews at Amazon. Currently, and quite all of a sudden, one of the few 1-star reviews has received a torrent of "helpful" votes and is now the first review displayed.

Blogger CoolHand December 01, 2018 5:27 AM  

Borrowed from KU, read, review posted, and other reviews marked as helpful.

I've done all I can, time for another hearty soul to tag in and do their part.

Thanks for writing the book VD.

I got off the JBP train after his crawfish move on Faith Goldy, but it's nice to see solid proof that I wasn't wrong to make that call, and to have something concrete to point people at who've been snowed by him but might still be saveable.

Blogger slapper December 01, 2018 5:48 AM  

"I know a guy who was fired for taking candy from a candy dish on an office desk, and I think it was the right call."

Big deal, get off your high horse. The real crooks steal peoples souls, lives, dignity and trillions of dollars and other priceless things. Yeah, but make hay about some underpaid security guard getting some candy from dish *rolls eyes*

Leviticus 23:22

Blogger Paul M December 01, 2018 7:35 AM  

> 7. Do what is right. Learn to listen to the still, small voice of conscience.

Or, as JP would express it, lying is whatever tears you up inside.

Blogger Duh-ave December 01, 2018 7:58 AM  

@50 I knew a cleaning lady at work that got fired for taking a 50 cent cookie that was left out. The man that fired her was no angel himself and will answer to Jesus BUT that doesn't mean that the firing wasn't for the ladies own good. The Lord is our shepherd and will use bullies as his rod and staff as he sees fit.

Blogger slapper December 01, 2018 8:48 AM  

"I knew a cleaning lady at work that got fired for taking a 50 cent cookie that was left out. The man that fired her was no angel himself and will answer to Jesus BUT that doesn't mean that the firing wasn't for the ladies own good.

Maybe she was hungry since she was probably underpaid too!? Jesus Christ get a heart/clue. Meanwhile you churchians/Cuckservatives will give a pass to the real criminals WHO ALSO strain out a gnat while swallowing a camel. Please tell me what state you live in so I never make the misfortune of moving there.

Blogger Up from the pond December 01, 2018 8:54 AM  

Isn't candy in a dish in an office left out for people to take? It's freely offered, that's the point. For example, in my neck of the woods most reception desks have a bowl of candy left out for people, especially around the holidays.There's no "stealing" involved, unless you grab handfuls of the stuff and gobble the whole cache yourself without leaving any over for others.

Don't like the "small still voice" stuff. Since Most People Are Idiots, you don't want them interpreting morality or even making up their own moral rules and then fanatically pursuing them. "I must disinherit my first-born son, because he wore tennis shoes once as a teenager, which was against the house rules. This may seem foolish to the world, but it is for his own good, for I must follow the small, still voice within myself and be a man of integrity." No way.

This is why you have pastors and a church, to beat back the crazy.

Blogger slapper December 01, 2018 9:01 AM  

"Isn't candy in a dish in an office left out for people to take? It's freely offered, that's the point."

Yes that's what it is. I am glad somebody gets it. Those churchian clowns above sound like Taliban/Muslims with their strict legalism and punishment, must be real fun around the "holidays". /s

Blogger VD December 01, 2018 9:02 AM  

Isn't candy in a dish in an office left out for people to take?

Not when the door to the office is locked.

Don't like the "small still voice" stuff.

Telling people not to listen to their consciences is blitheringly stupid. Crazy and evil people DON'T listen to their consciences, they IGNORE them.

They do precisely what you are doing now, which is rationalize the nonsensical.

Blogger Avalanche December 01, 2018 9:03 AM  

@55 "This is why you have pastors and a church, to beat back the crazy."

So, you haven't actually MET many pastors -- to see a huge source of the crazy?!

Blogger Up from the pond December 01, 2018 9:04 AM  

slapper wrote:Please tell me what state you live in so I never make the misfortune of moving there.

Boomerstan!

Blogger VD December 01, 2018 9:05 AM  

Yes that's what it is.

If you have to UNLOCK A LOCKED DOOR to get at what is "freely offered", then you are obviously doing something you should not. Especially when the company went to the trouble of installing a camera to find out who was doing it.

Learn to freaking read.

Blogger Up from the pond December 01, 2018 9:07 AM  

I go by the Bible, not by conscience. His will, not mine.

Blogger slapper December 01, 2018 9:12 AM  

"Learn to freaking read."

And switch to decaf.

"If you have to UNLOCK A LOCKED DOOR to get at what is "freely offered"

Uhhh everybody who goes through there has TO UNLOCK THE SAME DOOR especially if it has a card reader are they wrong in taking the candy too? What's the point in leaving it out then, why don't they just put away in a safe somewhere where even the guard can't get too it? A camera for a public bowl of candy, Ya right? Stupid.

Blogger slapper December 01, 2018 9:18 AM  

And they aren't locking up the office over a bowl of candy AND putting a camera on it. Stupid.

Blogger VD December 01, 2018 9:25 AM  

A camera for a public bowl of candy, Ya right? Stupid.

In case you ever wondered why you are unpopular and people don't like you, I suggest re-reading your comments here.

Uhhh everybody

Gamma confirmed.

Blogger slapper December 01, 2018 9:44 AM  

"gamma male: you are sort of the "invisible" guy. there is nothing really spectacular about you. you are not a beta, but neither are you an alpha. your personality and presence usually blends in with the rest of the room and you're just sort of...there. people like you just fine and you usually don't have too much trouble with girls, but all the same, there is nothing particularly memorable or remarkable about you. you are not a born leader nor a inherent follower, although you can take on those tasks depending on the situation"

Doesn't sound so bad, could be worse.

Blogger Duh-ave December 01, 2018 9:48 AM  

@53 Poor pay but fair. Everyone 'felt' like it was overly harsh punishment. She was fired by the corporation but the subcontractor that actually paid her wages just moved her to another client. No real harm done. You need to resolve your anger issues so that you can see a bigger picture. All of us have lessons to learn. Does getting fired kill a person?

Blogger Dave December 01, 2018 9:54 AM  

people like you just fine and you usually don't have too much trouble with girls

Heh, yeah, you keep telling yourself that.

Blogger Duh-ave December 01, 2018 9:57 AM  

I live in central Illinois. No one in their right mind would want to move into this soon to be bankrupt state. The only reason I haven't moved back to east Tennessee is that I'm with in a 15 minute drive of my grand kids. That may change if the taxes go up enough to satisfy the states creditors.

Blogger slapper December 01, 2018 10:07 AM  

"I live in central Illinois."

Thank you for you answer. And you're right there is no way in hell I would move to Illinois.

"That may change if the taxes go up enough to satisfy the states creditors."

Pack your bags.

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