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Saturday, November 17, 2018

To a Butthurt Boomer

Dear Baby Boomer,

You whine, cry, and kick up a fuss EVERY SINGLE TIME anyone says anything negative about the Boomers. You get defensive EVERY SINGLE TIME, which would be amusing if it wasn't so annoying

You really must learn to control your reactive Boomer defensiveness. Because it is no business of yours if the younger generations hate your g-g-generation, which has never stopped talking incessantly about itself. We have the right to feel as we do, just as you Boomers had the right to feel so infinitely superior to your unforgivably square parents.

Look, while I can't speak for younger generations, I can say that on the average, Generation X HATES and DESPISES your generation. That's just a fact. We hate your stupid music. We hate your narcissism. We despise the way so many of you have neither the time nor the inclination to love our children the way our grandparents loved us. We hate what a pain in the ass you are now that you're starting to require caretaking but are still determined to live where and how you want to live. We hate the way so many of you are actually hoping to leave nothing to your kids and grandkids and "die with the most toys". Decades ago, we actually used to joke that your generation would be babbling about "70 is SEXY" when it got old, and then you guys actually WENT AND DID it.

It's not about the Boomers failing to deliver Utopia. No one ever has. It's not about the perfection of past generations, some of whom collectively made incredibly bad decisions that have resonated down through the decades. But the fact is that your g-g-generation actually DID do a number of things differently than their predecessors, things of which they were proud, things that "changed the world", and they are the first U.S. generation to leave its successors materially worse off than they were.

I'm not saying it's your fault. Obviously it's not. I'm not saying you are personally responsible. You couldn't be. We're talking about macro, not micro here. But your constant defensiveness whenever the subject arises tends to indicate that you at least share somewhat in your generation's weird, self-obsessed collective consciousness.

Love,
Generation X

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Blogger Franz Lyonheart November 17, 2018 6:55 PM  

👍

Blogger Mark Stoval November 17, 2018 6:57 PM  

Vox,

Thanks for taking the time to write that. I do appreciate it.

I will not say another word about boomers after this comment.

Two things.

First, my complaint is that there are multitudes of reasons we got to were we are at. So, let us not only blame boomers --- but hell, blame boomers all you what to. I just want us to recall that there was a lot of factors. There is always a lot of factors. I have always been so far to the right that I have actively hated most people most of my life as I watched so-called liberalism destroy the country. I don't take it personally. The wife and I have said far worse about the god damn hippies and other boomers for 44 years.

Second, I have been actively restraining myself from mentioning the topic. Just the last couple of threads. Honest officer, just had a couple of beers.

So. No. More. On. Boomers. (just for you mate)

... I expect someone to start a pool on if that happens.

~ Mark

Blogger maniacprovost November 17, 2018 7:02 PM  

My own Boomer parents probably weren't great. I have no way to compare. I don't necessarily have any animus toward their generation, despite that I agree with your opinions.

Which generation allowed the communists to implement Daylight Savings Time? They're the real monsters.

Blogger Steve November 17, 2018 7:05 PM  

RV Deathcamps when?

Blogger VD November 17, 2018 7:11 PM  

First, my complaint is that there are multitudes of reasons we got to were we are at.

That's not a legitimate complaint. Everyone knows that. So, when you "raise that very important point" you are adding the insult to our intelligence to all the other crimes of your generation, from "#1 for the 25th year in a row, Stairway to Heaven" to insisting that everyone go to college.

I just want us to recall that there was a lot of factors. There is always a lot of factors.

Everyone knows that. Seriously, we do. But what you clearly cannot fathom is how utterly and completely sick of listening to you guys babble about yourselves we are. We've been subjected to it for our entire lives. That's why "Boomer" has become an actual insult... I think it's hilarous when it gets directed at me by a Millennial.

Blogger Weak November 17, 2018 7:15 PM  

When does Arkhaven start a line of soylent green snacks? I'll definitely fund that on IndieGoGo.

Blogger Whitecloak November 17, 2018 7:17 PM  

The one last big 'fuck you' the Boomers are going to leave us all is leaving us. I'm a bit younger than you, early 30s, me and the wife feel a rather small minority around these parts. Competent Millennials do exist, most of Gen X seems rather competent, but it feels as though the weight of incompetence is going to crush us.

I can do my part, you can do yours, but the Boomers broke the great chain of knowledge and nowhere near enough of us younger guys seem to have had the inclination to go and fill the holes in our knowledge when we realized the extent of it all. Once the Boomers are gone, I'm afraid of how the lights will stay on.

Civilization is a great project spanning more than any one lifetime. The typical Boomer never seemed to plan beyond their own span- I see this in my own family and I brace for the future, as though I see a pothole up ahead, at highway speeds, that cannot be avoided.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 17, 2018 7:17 PM  

I never really rn into the Kill All Boomers meme till I came here. Initially I thought it was just hyperbole. But My God, every time a Boomer hot button comes up, like student loan forgiveness or the Absolute Need For Every Young Person To Get A Degree, they come crawling out, even people I think are normally reasonable, and say just the absolutely stupidest, most self-absorbed comments, completely dismissive of the real trials and overwhelming challenges faced by their descendants.
Millenial: "Could I have some help? I'm trapped by declining real wages undischargable student debt, and my country is being given away to savages"
Boomer: "Buck up Punk! Just keep pulling those bootstraps. If you can't pay, you deserve to be punished. Forever! Those hard working Mexicans we imported pay their bills out of their kid's welfare checks, why can't you? And where are my grandchildren?"
Gen X: "Fuck off and die."

Blogger weka November 17, 2018 7:22 PM  

Why arr there so many 70 plus decaying hippies in all branches of government? In the Commonwealth they are retired. Admittedly the Millennial and Gen X elite are just as stupid and more self righteous.

I'm encouraging my kids and grandkids who are generation Z. To revoke the woke

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey November 17, 2018 7:26 PM  

Last week I was reading about the travails of the Harley-Davidson Motorcycle Company. Yes, they are in a real pickle because they sell Boomer nostalgia and the Boomers are aging out of motorcycle riding years, etc.

Well they interviewed a Harley salesman the reporter had looked up from his local dealership. He talked about how hard it was to sell Harleys to the millennials. He said, "It's very hard. To them, Harleys are for the men who destroyed America."


Harley-riding Boomers are among the most patriotic, Made-In-USA, rah-rah pro-American Boomers anywhere. And yet to millennials, "Harleys are for the men who destroyed America."


That's how bad it is, Boomers. I know, NABALT and so forth. Jus sayin'. That's how bad it is.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf November 17, 2018 7:28 PM  

I always recall when my Boomer father and I talked over the phone about the death of one of my closest friends from high school. I was living overseas and so I couldn't attend his funeral. Coincidentally, I had returned home for a month and had seen him two days before he died. I asked if I could take him to the hospital (he had T1 diabetes and had already had a donor kidney), he said he'd go in the morning.
I flew out to Japan ~6 AM the next morning, he died a day later.
As I spoke to my father (who did attend his funeral), I had to pause him (maybe 10 times or so) to repeat: This conversation isn't about you.
He finally said: This is how we talk. I don't know how to talk to you, without talking about myself, my experiences - that's natural. I am relating to you, by talking about myself.
LOL (it is true to a degree)
I said: Well, you could ask me, how I feel about my friend's death...
Maybe it was the awkwardness of the conversation? He could have recalled shared memories as there were plenty of them. You know, like: Remember the time when... But, instead, he lasted about maybe one forced sentence before he went back to talking about himself. His health. Things going on with his life.
All of our conversations seem to go like this. But, you know the story. They're almost all like this. Everywhere in the West. From Detroit to Sydney. It's probably why I first moved to Japan.

Blogger John November 17, 2018 7:29 PM  

Third-world invasion?
Crippling debt?
Lawless leftists?
Ruined churches?
Marriage in shambles?

"Let them eat kebab!"

Blogger rumpole5 November 17, 2018 7:38 PM  

Slow news day? Here is my question: What do you propose to fix the problem of the load of so many ignorant, low performance, overweight, physically blighted, people? I truly fear for the future of Millennials if they don't get their act together soon. I think that Gen Xers are okay, but their number is too small to carry the load. As for Boomers, we are incresingly irrelevant. You are beating a dead horse. The GE Trump is sort of our last hurrah. The reason for the "buck up" talk is thay many Boomers are truly concerned about what is going to happen to our kids when we can no long cover for them. You can't live in Mom's basement when there is no mom.

Blogger Billy November 17, 2018 7:54 PM  

Whenever they show old clips of Woodstock it makes my stomach hurt.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 17, 2018 7:57 PM  

rumpole5 wrote:I truly fear for the future of Millennials if they don't get their act together soon.
People adapt to their environment. When the time comes, you will find that Millenials can become as hard physically as they already are mentally.

Blogger John Atria November 17, 2018 8:01 PM  

You see, the real problem is, we just need to stop being so divided as a country. If we could just rediscover our common humanity things would work themselves out.

Those poor people just need to work harder and pull themselves up by their bootstraps! The problem is people are just too lazy!

You don't know how hard I had it growing up in the '50s. Sure, people may have died from polio in years prior, but we actually had to ride our bikes without helmets. And we survived!

Blogger Silly but True November 17, 2018 8:04 PM  

The beauty of the load of so many ignorant, low-performance, overweight, physically blighted people is it’s a problem that takes care of itself sooner than later.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch November 17, 2018 8:07 PM  

"We despise the way so many of you have neither the time nor the inclination to love our children the way our grandparents loved us."

Thank you so much for saying this.

Blogger Kat November 17, 2018 8:13 PM  

rumpole5 wrote: The reason for the "buck up" talk is thay many Boomers are truly concerned about what is going to happen to our kids when we can no long cover for them. You can't live in Mom's basement when there is no mom.

Boomers wouldn't have to "cover" for anyone if they'd just been decent parents in the first place. I had "good" boomer parents. Christian, stay at home mom, etc. My dad would pick on me for not taking good enough care of the spare car. It didn't occur to him to say "Now that you're driving, Kat, here's when and how to maintain the car." I guess he thought I'd petition for the right to be taught basic life skills or something. If I didn't know something they'd blame me for not knowing it instead of thinking that perhaps it was at least partially on them for not teaching me.

I used to think that was just my parents being screwy, but maybe it was boomer talk.

Blogger justaguy November 17, 2018 8:15 PM  

Hey, the torch has been passed to Generation X. Boomers are too busy either with ourselves, keeping facebook going with selfies about our morning or whatever strikes us as clever, or just still taking care of the boomerangs in the basement and/or the aging previous generation relatives that need care.

We made sure that the Millennials didn't speak Russian, VD and his generation can try to ensure there is still an America and they don't have to learn to speak Mandarin. Let's hope the generation that the Millennials raise learn more than to hate whitey and everything to do with America. Of course looking at the birth statistics when over 1/2 of the kids are on welfare and the numbers born to immigrants or recent immigrants is dwarfing the number born to WASPs, I don't know what they will speak. This is of course the Boomers fault too, along with Global Warming I guess--or is it cooling now?

Blogger John Atria November 17, 2018 8:19 PM  

Boomer Parent:

"Here you go kid, have a computer, Nintendo, TV in your own room and play to your heart's content."

15 years later:

"Can't fix a sink? Well, you're just lazy then."

Blogger justaguy November 17, 2018 8:20 PM  

#8: At least you identified immigration as one of the main causes of the ills that greatly impacts the GenXs and beyond. I don't think that immigration ever was popular with the average American, just the elites... but hey the elites were boomers for awhile and we didn't fix it. Maybe Boomer Trump can-- seriously I hope he can do something about the huge importation of replacement lower wage workers that has plagued us for too long. Too many of my generation were replaced by cheaper labor, as happened to the next and now the next---

Blogger SJ November 17, 2018 8:25 PM  

Don't worry rumpole they'll just pull themeselves up by their bootstraps just like you did. The important part of your post is that you finally go, finally pass on, and we finally never ever ever have to hear another word about you except as stories we tell our children and grandchildren about the worst generation who ever lived and how they sold out all of our posterity so they could have more right then.

Blogger JACIII November 17, 2018 8:26 PM  

Love,
Generation X
🖕

FIFY

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams November 17, 2018 8:28 PM  

@Snidley

Please accept this "a GenXer says I'm ok" memorial Boomercaust button.

Blogger Kat November 17, 2018 8:30 PM  

Boomers - no self awareness whatsoever

Blogger JACIII November 17, 2018 8:33 PM  

Kat wrote:Boomers - no self awareness whatsoever

Which you would think would be hard to accomplish as much as they contemplate their navels.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( the Chortler's chortler ) November 17, 2018 8:34 PM  

VD
We hate your stupid music.


hey now.

the Beatles are over rated and over played but there is quite a bit of good stuff from that era.


2. Mark Stoval November 17, 2018 6:57 PM
I just want us to recall that there was a lot of factors.



no one here has ever asserted that there aren't "a lot of factors", going back centuries.

but it's the mark ( geddit? ) of a Narcissist to make everything about himself, even if it really wasn't.


13. rumpole5 November 17, 2018 7:38 PM
The reason for the "buck up" talk is thay many Boomers are truly concerned about what is going to happen to our kids when we can no long cover for them.


TELLING someone to 'buck up' is completely useless. especially when all of the legal and social mechanisms for advancement that you used have, as a practical matter, been destroyed.

want to get married, men? enjoy your No Fault Divorce laws, punitive child support payments and Domestic Violence 'Arrest the Man' policies.

IF you want your subsequent generations to 'do better'
THEN you should probably spend time with them, teaching them as much as you know and rewarding them for behavior which you consider responsible and productive.

and perhaps you do these things, rumpole. but that still leaves you a significant minority in your generation.


Meng's story about his father is emblematic.

and there's been SO MUCH that's been lost already. according to Scott Manley, we can't even make a Rocketdyne F-1 anymore. the designs of the rocket bells require too much interpretation of prints and manual welding of tubes that we simply don't have qualified technicians with the skills necessary to implement them in this modern age of CNC programming.

that's really disturbing.

Blogger Unknown November 17, 2018 8:35 PM  

Vox is older than me by about 3 years, and I agree with his post 100%.

--Unknownsailor--

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 17, 2018 8:39 PM  

We'll burn them atop a pile of Roy Orbison box sets.

Even today I was thinking about this while running errands: how boomers went and passed laws and made changes that prevented my generation from doing everything they did. I even had a list going, but I think we all know it already.
And over that, if I had to deem that which the boomers are most guilty of, it would be cluelessness. After wrecking our chances, they sat back and wondered what was wrong with us.

Blogger JACIII November 17, 2018 8:41 PM  

bob kuk mando ( the Chortler's chortler ) wrote:VD

We hate your stupid music.


hey now.

the Beatles are over rated and over played but there is quite a bit of good stuff from that era.





They don't claim the good stuff. Just the hippy crap.

Blogger Durandel November 17, 2018 8:42 PM  

Preach it VD. I’m Gen Y, raised by Gen Jones, but your points to the Boomers reflects my own experience.

What comment sparked this btw?

Blogger Matt November 17, 2018 8:43 PM  

Legend has it, if we take Alan Alda's head, every Liberal Boomer will turn to dust.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club November 17, 2018 8:43 PM  

We made sure that the Millennials didn't speak Russian

Which was never a real issue, and now they probably need to speak Spanish.

I just want us to recall that there was a lot of factors. There is always a lot of factors.

"We stopped a war all by ourselves and created freed the oppressed Negro with our own two hands, but all the shit that went wrong? Multitude of factors, totally out of our hands!"

I'll grant you that's not solely a Boomer pretension, but it certainly speaks to their monumental self-regard.

Blogger Northpal November 17, 2018 8:43 PM  

Gen-x their punk rock, slacker mentality always were and always will be pathetic.
Hippies were a short lived upper middle class myth, Woodstock was 1/100000th of that generation.
The 1950/60's was a class war, the protestant middle/upper middle class and jews against the Catholic ethnic and southern working class.
What you morons call hippies were your coward parents hiding out in college/universities avoiding the draft.
Now your lily white areas and balless Gen-x/millenials are receiving what your parents and grandparents started against the working class of the South and Catholic ethnic enclaves of the Northern cities and somehow it is a big deal???HUH???Now you whine for unity??? Or just someone to blame keeping you from your true potential and just rewards.
I believe that's called Narcissism.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams November 17, 2018 8:44 PM  

"We gave the world civil rights and ended segregation, we're the best!!!"

"Oh, I won't live in that neighborhood, it's not safe!"

Blogger Durandel November 17, 2018 8:44 PM  

The Beatles suck. Their music is nothing more than children’s songs with dipshit hippy lyrics.

And when the Boomers die, all memory and affection for that shite band will finally make its way to the ashbin of history, where Christianity was supposedly going by the Boomers’ hands.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams November 17, 2018 8:47 PM  

@Northpal

Shutup, Boomer.

Blogger Mister Excitement November 17, 2018 8:47 PM  

@11

And they love to criticize. It's impossible for my Boomer mother to not take a jab at me in even the most banal conversations. And she's not alone. Every Boomer boss I've ever had was hyper critical about everything.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( the Chortler's chortler ) November 17, 2018 8:51 PM  

35. Northpal November 17, 2018 8:43 PM
Now you whine for unity???


*gets accused by a Boomer of being Hitler because of disapproval of immigration and essaying RealTalk about genetic racial differences*

*gets accused by a Boomer of wanting excess 'unity' and crying about too much division in society*

just another day in the life of Gen-X.

Blogger JACIII November 17, 2018 8:54 PM  

Northpal wrote:Gen-x their punk rock, slacker mentality always were and always will be pathetic.





This younger g-g-g-generation and their infernal punk music!

Sweet, sweet salt. MOAR PLEASE!

Blogger Hammerli280 November 17, 2018 8:58 PM  

Hmph. I'm a Baby Buster (5 years older than Vox). And yes, the Brat Boomers had more than their share of lazy, obnoxious twits.

@21: Good point. One problem with the Brats was that they never bothered to pass on skills. My mother pointed out that the men would complain about their sons not using tools correctly...but would NEVER bother teaching the boys to use the tools properly.

Blogger Anglican November 17, 2018 9:02 PM  

I despise Boomers, and I are one.

Blogger Kat November 17, 2018 9:04 PM  

Hammer - this was my experience in a nutshell.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 9:16 PM  

@3

"Which generation allowed the communists to implement Daylight Savings Time? They're the real monsters."

Benjamin Franklin was a commie?
Who knew?

Blogger Lovekraft November 17, 2018 9:18 PM  

The paradox is that the boomer liberal who opposes the blame would be so steeped in leftist propaganda that they wouldn't be able to recognize their complicity.

Blogger Dave November 17, 2018 9:18 PM  

we can't even make a Rocketdyne F-1 anymore. the designs of the rocket bells require too much interpretation of prints and manual welding of tubes that we simply don't have qualified technicians with the skills necessary to implement them

C'mon bob kuk, you know all they gotta do is get some of those Nascar guys on it and problem solved.

Blogger Mister Excitement November 17, 2018 9:19 PM  

@13

" You can't live in Mom's basement when there is no mom."

When Boomer Mom dies, why can't the Millennial still live there?

Is Boomer Mom going to give the NAACP or AIPAC the family house in her will?

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams November 17, 2018 9:21 PM  

@mister excitement

The house goes to the bank after Boomer mom's reverse mortgage is paid out.

Blogger James Dixon November 17, 2018 9:22 PM  

> So, let us not only blame boomers

We don't only blame the boomers.

> --- but hell, blame boomers all you what to.

But will do blame them for what they did.

> "It's very hard. To them, Harleys are for the men who destroyed America."

Spoken by an employee of a company that just moved their entire production line overseas to save money. And he probably can't recognize it.

> ...is thay many Boomers are truly concerned about what is going to happen to our kids when we can no long cover for them.

Many? As in 1 or 2%? Seriously, I've never met one who cared.

> Hippies were a short lived upper middle class myth, Woodstock was 1/100000th of that generation.

Then why have the boomers celebrated both for 50 years?

> HUH???Now you whine for unity???

We don't want unity. We want the boomers to go away and die.

> I despise Boomers, and I are one.

They claim I am. I always considered myself Gen-X. Even before Gen-X was a defined thing.

The only thing I have in common with the boomers is their music, and even there they don't agree with my selection.

Blogger dtungsten November 17, 2018 9:22 PM  

Check the rethinking capitalism post.

Blogger Crush Limbraw November 17, 2018 9:23 PM  

WTF triggered this outburst?

Blogger James Dixon November 17, 2018 9:24 PM  

> When Boomer Mom dies, why can't the Millennial still live there?

Look up reverse mortgages and you'll understand. Yep, the boomers manage to screw their kids one last time.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 9:25 PM  

@13

" I truly fear for the future of Millennials if they don't get their act together soon. I think that Gen Xers are okay, but their number is too small to carry the load"

The first thing Gen-X will do when we finally get power is to slash 90% of government positions. They are sinecures for malevolent people, who draw money from the taxpayers, so that they can get paid to spend all day harming the taxpayers, after which they then use that same money to fund schemes which harm the taxpayers even more.

The Department of Education is a perfect example.

Blogger Ransom Smith November 17, 2018 9:26 PM  

Are baby boomers the ultimate gamma generation?
Always claiming to be geniuses and blaming others for their failures.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 9:29 PM  

@13

"The reason for the "buck up" talk is thay many Boomers are truly concerned about what is going to happen to our kids when we can no long cover for them. You can't live in Mom's basement when there is no mom."

While that is true, how do you propose that the Millenials move out of their parent's basement when the parents and their friends all abjectly refuse to hire the kids living in mom's basement, in preference for Pajeet, whose skill in computers is nowhere near as his skill in public defecation, and Jose, who sends his entire paycheck home, because all of his necessities are being paid for by [Religious Denomination] Family Services, using money obtained in block grants from the Federal Government (Thank you George Bush, you really do deserve to die in the most painful and terrifying way possible. Scaphism is probably too good a sentence for you.)

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 9:30 PM  

@16

"
You don't know how hard I had it growing up in the '50s. Sure, people may have died from polio in years prior, but we actually had to ride our bikes without helmets. And we survived!"

And *WHO* insisted that kids have to wear helmets to ride a bike?

It wasn't Gen-X, that's for sure.

Blogger S. Thermite November 17, 2018 9:30 PM  

I'm Gen. X and have no problem disparaging any Boomer if I've observed him bragging about his generation or mocking Millennials. Case in point, this "joke" that one of my Boomer acquaintances recently reposted on Facebook:

"Harley-Davidson is closing many of its plants due to declining sales. Apparently, the baby-boomers all have motorcycles, and Generation X is only buying a very few, and the next generation, the Millennials, aren’t buying any at all.

A recent study was conducted to find out why?

Here are the reasons why Millennials don't ride motorcycles, and why sales are down

1. Pants won't pull up far enough for them to straddle the seat.
2. Can't get their phone to their ear with a helmet on.
3. Can't use 2 hands to eat while driving.
4. They don't get a trophy and a recognition plaque just for buying one.
5. Don't have enough muscle to hold the bike up when stopped.
6 Might have a bug hit them in the face and then they would need emergency care.
7. Motorcycles don't have air conditioning.
8. They can't afford one because they spent 12 years in college trying to get a degree in Humanities, Social Studies or Gender Studies for which no jobs are available.
9. They are allergic to fresh air.
10. Their pajamas get caught on the exhaust pipes.
11. They might get their hands dirty checking the oil.
12. The handle bars have buttons and levers and cannot be controlled by touch-screen.
13. You have to shift manually and use something called a clutch.
14. It's too hard to take selfies while riding.
15. They don't come with training wheels like their bicycles did.
16. Motorcycles don't have power steering or power brakes.
17. Their nose ring interferes with the face shield.
18. They would have to use leg muscle to back up.
19. When they stop, a light breeze might blow exhaust in their face.
20 It could rain on them and expose them to non-soft water.
21. It might scare their therapy dog, and then the dog would need therapy.
22. Their man bun wont fit under a helmet."


I have to admit the line about the therapy dog needing therapy was funny. But nothing says "Boomertard" quite like bragging about how much cooler you are than your student-loan-saddled grandkids because you could afford to cruise around on an over-hyped, over-priced brand of Americana. Hell, even the Michigan State Police have traded-in all their inferior Harleys for BMW motorcycles now.

Blogger Silent Draco November 17, 2018 9:36 PM  

Dave, NASA destroyed the aperture cards and prints. If you can't go back and build Saturn stages, well you have to use that perfect compromise, the Space Shuttle. Got that about 17-18 yrs ago from the designers, who were busy climbing on the museum piece. Xers and others might be able to 3D image with profilometers for new CAD plans and CNC.

Call a truce, let's get things done, and in 5 years revisit the truce. Time will do a lot of the work for you.

Blogger Bruno Bolson Lauda November 17, 2018 9:36 PM  

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Blogger Bruno Bolson Lauda November 17, 2018 9:37 PM  

Their epitaph should read:

THEY INHERITED SO MUCH
THEY LEFT SO LITTLE

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 9:37 PM  

@19

" If I didn't know something they'd blame me for not knowing it instead of thinking that perhaps it was at least partially on them for not teaching me.

I used to think that was just my parents being screwy, but maybe it was boomer talk. "

While not specifically on the subject of cars (I went to the library and checked out manuals to do the necessary maintenance and repair), I got the same thing from my father. He was constantly berating me for not knowing the things that he never bothered to teach me.... if not outright punishing me for the mistakes that happened (as if suffering from the wrong decision wasn't enough.)

Although he's technically not a boomer (born 1942), he sure seems to have a lot of Boomer attitudes -- can't understand why my brother and I, while having very good educations, aren't nearly as well off as he was at the same age, says that my brother and I should shut up and "improve ourselves" instead of "whining" about being displaced by illegal foreign labor (and by illegal, I mean that practically every single person here on an H1-B visa is here on an app which contains one or more fraudulent statements, making his visa itself illegal).

And now he can't figure out why I limit communication with him to as little as absolutely possible.

Blogger Up from the pond November 17, 2018 9:39 PM  

The best thing about the Boomers passing--after 50+ years of total dominance of everything--will be the end of Life magazine's featuring Jackie O, the moon landing, and the Beatles on their covers.

I am in my 50s. For my entire conscious life, I have seen the same old covers on Life and so many other magazines. Elvis. The Beatles. Woodstock. Kennedy. The moon landing. Jagger. The objection is to the length of time Boomer kitsch has been featured. Literally. All. My. Life.

Occasionally they put Madonna or Michael Jackson on the cover, people from 30+ years ago instead of 50+ years ago.

Oh, and MLK. Emmett Till. Civil Rights. The little Alabama girls. As if nothing has happened since then. As if these events were yesterday. Combined with nostalgic slobber over them--a peculiarly awful combination.

Here's a recent tweet from Christina Hoff Sommers (age 68):

"Dear kids: I’m a Baby Boomer. We are getting old. But at least we had sex, drugs and rock & roll. (...) Time to rebel! xxMom"

She added:

"Greatest music too. I mean Dylan, the Stones, Hendrix." Both tweets Feb. 14, 2018

We will never stop hearing about Dylan, the Stones, and Hendrix. Nothing happened in music since then. All generations that came after the Boomers--we never mattered. Just as the Boomers' parents didn't matter.

But hey...They CHANGED THE WORLD. Remember? They're the greatest! On the other hand, we're nothing.

But did they change the world for the better? They can't have it both ways. Either they changed the world, or they're not responsible for the state of the world. Not both.

Now start learning some personal responsibility, you lazy kids. That's straight from the sex, drugs, and rock and roll generation that changed the world.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 9:40 PM  

@20

"Hey, the torch has been passed to Generation X. Boomers are too busy either with ourselves, keeping facebook going with selfies about our morning or whatever strikes us as clever, or just still taking care of the boomerangs in the basement and/or the aging previous generation relatives that need care. "

Really? Tell us the names of all the Gen-X Presidents of the United States we've had?

You can't name any because there aren't any.

How about the Gen-X university Presidents around the country?

You can't name any, because there aren't any that are in charge of a university which actually makes a difference.

Not only should you retire already, you should DIE already.

Remember -- Casket is the new 20!

Blogger JAG November 17, 2018 9:41 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:@13

" I truly fear for the future of Millennials if they don't get their act together soon. I think that Gen Xers are okay, but their number is too small to carry the load"

The first thing Gen-X will do when we finally get power is to slash 90% of government positions. They are sinecures for malevolent people, who draw money from the taxpayers, so that they can get paid to spend all day harming the taxpayers, after which they then use that same money to fund schemes which harm the taxpayers even more.

The Department of Education is a perfect example.


I want the meanest batard ever when Gen X takes over the Presidency. I want Andrew Jackson level mean. Any idiot judge tells them that they can't block anyone on Twitter or can't prevent some disruptive troll from CNN from press conferences goes to jail and faces a military tribunal for seizing power not granted the courts.

That's the kind of guy that will fix a lot of things wrong in this country. It is but a dream.

Blogger Hammerli280 November 17, 2018 9:41 PM  

@50 James Dixon: No, you're no Brat Boomer. You're smack in the middle of the Baby Bust.

(Remember, a political generation is ~10 years, NOT 20. Sampling rate errors will lead to misunderstandings of generational politics)

@58: ROTFLMAO! That's funny, and I don't ride a motorcycle. Seriously, I suspect the Harley culture is VERY age-specific.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 9:41 PM  

@20

"
We made sure that the Millennials didn't speak Russian"

No, the Atlantic and the Pacific did that.

However, you entirely failed to prevent the need for Millenials to speak Mexi-Spanish.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 9:42 PM  

@20

"can try to ensure there is still an America and they don't have to learn to speak Mandarin."

You Boomers are the ones who are directing HR to hire in the Chinese, idiot.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 9:44 PM  

@20

"Let's hope the generation that the Millennials raise learn more than to hate whitey and everything to do with America"

As if you Boomer's didn't start and complete that project already.

Save for a very small few, I wouldn't mind if some flu bug took out your entire generation this winter.

Blogger Br'er Shaygetz November 17, 2018 9:44 PM  

Boomer here...guilty as charged. Not one for sweeping group apologies, so I will a count for my own sins. Except for Led Zepplin and Blackmore's Rainbow, our music sucks eggs, with the Beatles leading the parade.

May God have mercy on my nation, when my generation's sin come to full fruit...

Blogger Hammerli280 November 17, 2018 9:45 PM  

@65 JAG: I am over 35, resident in the United States all my life, and a natural-born U.S. citizen (with ancestors who fought in the Continental Army). And will accept the nomination, serve as President...and crack heads as required to restore civil order.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 9:46 PM  

@20

"Of course looking at the birth statistics when over 1/2 of the kids are on welfare"

And WHO is running the businesses who prefer hiring "no speak english!" foreigners in preference to the people who grew up here?


"and the numbers born to immigrants or recent immigrants is dwarfing the number born to WASPs, I don't know what they will speak."

And who is giving welfare to foreigners that U.S. citizens don't qualify for? Again, it ain't Gen-X in charge of that shit-show, it's Boomers all the way down.

Blogger J johnson November 17, 2018 9:47 PM  

i take neither an unearned credit nor blame for being a boomer, choice was not mine. where there is no choice there is no moral responsibility. if I were to wish unending wae on a peoples I would find every means to keep them at odds with each other and continue to divide and conquer them. a war between the generations would be at the top so as to unbalance the nation at the family level. I do take responsibility for every thing after 1973, 13 yrs old, as I was starting to make choices. I could and still can work on being a better man. I will learn to pray again, only properly and not simply to get through the mass. so happy thanks giving to you and yours.

Blogger Up from the pond November 17, 2018 9:47 PM  

Addendum: How many more summers will "The British Invasion" of the Beatles be featured on the cover of Life and other magazines? Anyone want to start a betting pool?

The youngest Boomer will die, age 100, in 2065. That's my pick: summer 2065. At the earliest.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 9:48 PM  

@20

"This is of course the Boomers fault too, along with Global Warming I guess--or is it cooling now?"

Phil Jones, of the East Anglia Climate Research Unit is a Boomer, you stupid Boomer.

And remember when there was that "the coming global ice age" hysteria that even made the cover of Time Magazine (or perhaps that was what started it in the first place)? Phil Jones and the East Anglia CRU was behind THAT, too.

Do you Boomers ever get tired of inventing lies blaming other groups for the actions of your own group's members?

Blogger J johnson November 17, 2018 9:49 PM  

73 j Johnson meant unending war on a peoples

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 9:50 PM  

@28

"hey now.

the Beatles are over rated and over played but there is quite a bit of good stuff from that era."

Most of which was created by Silents, not Boomers.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( the Chortler's chortler ) November 17, 2018 9:53 PM  

59. Silent Draco November 17, 2018 9:36 PM
Dave, NASA destroyed the aperture cards and prints.


*facedesk*

the most powerful lift rocket ever ... and they DESTROYED THE DESIGNS?

i guess Obama shutting down Canaveral and turning NASA into a Muslim outreach program wasn't a one off.

and Dave, you oughta know better. "if'n you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin" is how the NASCAR teams work. there's no cheating gravity.

Blogger S. Thermite November 17, 2018 9:54 PM  

@10. The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey

I didn't see your post about Harley-Davidson when I made mine. Would you mind sharing where you read that interview quote saying "...Harleys are for the men who destroyed America"? I'd love to use that, but when I Google it the only webpage that turns-up is this one.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz November 17, 2018 9:55 PM  

I like a lot of music from the 50s to the 70s. The 80s has a lot of nostalgia for me because I was a teenager then, but the earlier music was better, at least in my opinion. Of course, I get to cherry pick which music. There was a lot of shit too.

They are so self-righteous. I think that is the most annoying thing about Boomers. I remember they were calling us the slackers. That they cared so much about civil rights and Vietnam and that we didn't care about anything. They even had the nerve to say we were the "why me?" generation.

Blogger Up from the pond November 17, 2018 9:58 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:Let's hope the generation that the Millennials raise learn more than to hate whitey and everything to do with America"

As if you Boomer's didn't start and complete that project already.


I feel you, Dirk, but technically the Boomers didn't "start" that project. That was their parents. The quintessential Boomers that we're talking about weren't even original. They borrowed all that Peace Love "Anti-Racism" and Relativism crap from the liberals among their elders. Who got it from the CP and/or the OSS. Woodstock was about recycling...taking the worst ideas of their worst elders seriously and straight, and brazening them out to their extremes. Roll in the mud or screw like pigs to demonstrate non-judgmental "love" etc.

The key issue for me is the narcissism that characterizes the Boomer generation as a whole. Individual Boomers excepted, some of them watched in disapproval, but we all know that and that isn't the point. The self-righteousness of their solipsism irks. No one existed except them, everyone was shit except them. They Changed The World. And simultaneously aren't responsible for anything in the world.

There are individual Boomer I will grieve horribly to see go. But as a "thing," this Boomer generation is remaining itself to the end of the chapter.

Blogger John Atria November 17, 2018 10:00 PM  

In the 20s, I expect the Boomer narcissism to reach its all time high since it will be their last hurrah before finally being swept into the dustbin of history. Get ready to see even more in your face indulgence, posturing and mocking of anyone even slightly less well off than them. Once they can completely disengage from work as a whole, expect the free love shit to ramp up once again.

Also, while the feud tends to be primarily focused between Millennials and Boomers, I expect Generation Z will be absolutely remorseless when dispensing with these arrogant fucks once the collapse sets in.

Blogger LES November 17, 2018 10:01 PM  

OK, I'll fess up. I turn 70 next month and I don't disagree with Vox.
We are called boomers because we are part of the baby boom after WW2.
There are millions of us.

I am not offering an excuse but one explanation that may serve as a warning.

When I graduated from basic training in 1967 my senses were overwhelmed by the sex I saw in advertising when I was back in civvy life. I became aware of the impact of Madison Ave.

Being a large group we were and are the main target of mass advertising. Our perception of who we were was shaped by the mass media. We were conditioned by the media. The "non-conformity" in one part of the country was the same in another part.

As my group has grown older the TV, movies and products are still aimed at us.
There is a new TV show The Cool Kids with Vicki Lawrence and friends in a retirement home!

My only advice is beware of mass marketing.

Blogger Up from the pond November 17, 2018 10:03 PM  

Hammerli280 wrote:@65 JAG: I am over 35, resident in the United States all my life, and a natural-born U.S. citizen (with ancestors who fought in the Continental Army). And will accept the nomination, serve as President...and crack heads as required to restore civil order.

You have to wait until the last Boomer has had his or her crack at it.

But cheer up. McCain died this year. So that leaves only hundreds--or is it thousands?--of old dinosaurs who have "paid their dues." Our turn, like Prince Charles's, will come when we are in our 80s, just like the Boomers' turn came in their 60s. And 50s. And 40s. And 30s. And 20s. And teens.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 10:04 PM  

>> the Beatles are over rated and over played but there is quite a bit of good stuff from that era.


> They don't claim the good stuff. Just the hippy crap.


Every single person I have ever heard extol the screeches that were recorded, distributed and sold as if they were music, by Janis Joplin, is only still alive to this day by dint of the fact that murder is a felony.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 17, 2018 10:07 PM  

I will be so happy when the last of The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, etc. are finally dead.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( the Chortler's chortler ) November 17, 2018 10:09 PM  

83. LES November 17, 2018 10:01 PM
with Vicki Lawrence and friends in a retirement home!



*facedesk*

Vicki was playing an old woman back on the Carol Burnett Show. Boomers really do never change.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 10:09 PM  

@32

"What comment sparked this btw?"

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/11/darkstream-decision-time-for-donald.html#c5642283692076486021

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 10:19 PM  

@35

"Gen-x their punk rock, slacker mentality always were and always will be pathetic."

Punk rock was an outright rebellion against
First and foremost -- the oppressive stagflation (high unemployment AND high inflation at the same time) brought to both the UK and the US by Marxism-based public fiscal policy, which, although not put in place by boomers, was most certainly supported and advocated by them

Second, the hypocritical phoniness of the golden age of Boomer musicians -- doing stadium concerts while feigning to be "environmentally aware" in their fringe-leather goofball stage attire. This is overtly evident in the punk-rock/new-wave groups using overwhelming amounts of PLASTIC props as part of their image. Example: Devo using plastic flower pots as hats.

Third: Laziness... the Punk Rock and New-Wave scene were based primarily on a Do-it-yourself ethic, not laziness. If the results were less impressive, it was because they weren't running to "experts" to solve every problem. Those of us in Gen-X grew up having to do EVERYTHING ourselves. And I do mean everything. Unlike the boomers, are parents didn't give us a dime.

Blogger Pseudotsuga November 17, 2018 10:20 PM  

My father, born in the 40s, was raised as a hillbilly in Northern California. Not much stereotypical Boomer in people like him, who grew up working poor, but the juggernaut of mass media in which he and my mother raised us is difficult to overcome without a conscious decision (or reason) to get de-programmed.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 17, 2018 10:20 PM  

@77 Dirk Manly
Most of which was created by Silents, not Boomers.
---

Silents are like Boomers on steroids.

Blogger Ann November 17, 2018 10:25 PM  

I think a lot of Boomers were Fetal Alcohol Syndrome babies. Think about it, all that boozing it up post WWII and in the early Mad Men era. Narcissism and behavioral issues are consequences.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 10:28 PM  

@35

"Hippies were a short lived upper middle class myth, Woodstock was 1/100000th of that generation."


Really? Explain why nowheresville, Royal Oak, Michigan was flooded with them.

By the time I was 3 years old, in 1968, I already had formed, by OBSERVATION ALONE, a deep and abiding hatred for hippies which lasts to this day.


And then in 1970, the Memorial Park Riot.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=1970+riot+royal+oak+memorial+park&ia=web

There was never then, and to this day still, absolutely NOTHING in or at Memorial Park worth rioting about, let alone shutting down Michigan Highway 1 (Woodward) for 3 days, because you're too damned stoned and angry about literally nothing to get your dumb ass out of the street.

And how significant was that portion of M-1?

Significant enough that not even 10 years earlier, Life Magazine did a 10-page spread on Woodward. And not just any part of Woodward -- specifically the part from approximately 9 Mile Road to 15 Mile Road. Memorial Park is right in the midst of that, at 13 Mile Road.


Blogger John Atria November 17, 2018 10:29 PM  

@90 I've grown up in Nor Cal my entire life. Not in San Francisco, but a couple of hours north where there are still plenty of rugged, dirt roads. You still do see a few old, tough rancher/logger types. Unfortunately where I live the hippies took over a long time ago. Everyone old remembers the days when logging was booming up until the 70s when the eco freaks brought the industry to its knees. Knowing what I know about the terrain, it absolutely is correct when Trump blames forest management. You can walk through the woods up here and trek through miles of weeds, brush and dead trees. Some of these forests haven't burned in decades. The Boomers' environmental legacy is haunting us right now with these fires.

Blogger Cecil Henry November 17, 2018 10:30 PM  

'Few things are more sickening than to see people virtue signal even when their own children have become victims of diversity.'


And I have seen it from Boomers in my own family, repeatedly, despite tragic consequences.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 10:34 PM  

@47

"C'mon bob kuk, you know all they gotta do is get some of those Nascar guys on it and problem solved."

You mean the guys who shape metal by randomly bashing it with 2-pound hand-sledges are gonna fabricate an ignition chamber which needs to be shaped to within 1/100th of an inch for proper fluid dynamics?

I don't think so.

Even the Indy-car and formula 1 car mechanics fix most metal-shaping problems with heavy blows by a hammer and call it "good enough"

Blogger Lance E November 17, 2018 10:35 PM  

Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club wrote:We made sure that the Millennials didn't speak Russian

Which was never a real issue, and now they probably need to speak Spanish.


Seriously. I am so damn sick of hearing "MUH REAGAN" from Boomers. The dude was a barely-competent administrator who sold out America to globalism just like the rest of the Boomer generation. The Soviet Union collapsed almost entirely of its own accord, just as America will in a decade or two.

Cuckservative Boomers cling to the memory of that washed-up actor like it's the only spiritual possession they have. Probably because it is. It's almost sad, like a homeless person clinging to some ratty old blanket or sleeping bag.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 10:49 PM  

@63

"I am in my 50s. For my entire conscious life, I have seen the same old covers on Life and so many other magazines. Elvis. The Beatles. Woodstock. Kennedy. The moon landing. Jagger. The objection is to the length of time Boomer kitsch has been featured. Literally. All. My. Life."

Here's how bad it is --

In the mid 1950's, Boy's Clubs of America built a facility at the (poorer) south end of Royal Oak, MI. Then about 10-15 years later, an extension was built onto the back of it (by the city, not Boy's Club) that literally mates with the Boy's Club building, and it was called the Youth Recreation Center.

Around 2000, the boomers hijacked the Youth Recreation Center for their own purposes, and it's now the city Senior Citizen Center.

This is despite the fact that, as far as I can tell, 60-70 year old's aren't playing basketball for anything more than 5 minutes, or anything else athletic, for that matter. So, any of the various churches which the Boomers ruined could have done very well.

But you know what... BOOMER'S JUST CAN'T STAND ANYTHING THAT'S DEVOTED TO ANYONE OTHER THAN THEMSELVES. So the kids are deprived of year-round basketball courts and other gymnasium type facilities, an after-school arts-and-crafts program where they would learn some of those basic skills like how to use fundamental tools (paint brushes, Exacto-knives, etc.) and materials that their financially strapped parents can't pay for, because the Boomers are too buys shovelling all of the nation's wealth to turd-world invaders to "send home" to whatever turd-world shithole the rest of their family members are maintaining as a turd-world shitholes with their turd-world shithole practices.

Blogger John Atria November 17, 2018 10:50 PM  

@97 I've been in one Boomer house where the guy had stacks of Reagan books, posters and calendars. Pretty creepy that's for sure.

Reagan was charismatic, but these people forget that results are actually what matters when judging presidents. I understand one guy can't do everything, but Reagan didn't even slow down the left let alone stop them.

Blogger Up from the pond November 17, 2018 10:52 PM  

Ann wrote:I think a lot of Boomers were Fetal Alcohol Syndrome babies. Think about it, all that boozing it up post WWII and in the early Mad Men era.

The thing about Boomers is not the fact that they were another bad generation in a patch of bad generations. It's that, as a generation, they cashed in on the cumulative depravity. Maybe "cashed out" is more accurate. Maybe, the Silents were as stoned and selfish as their progeny. But they're called silent for a reason. They soldiered on, they kept things together more or less. But the Boomers never grew up. They just grew.

The longest critique of economic issues having to do with Boomers that I know of is the book "A Generation of Sociopaths: How the Baby Boomers Betrayed America" by Bruce Cannon Gibney. He has the data. Unfortunately he is a political liberal and excretes "moderate Democrat" stuff into his presentation now and then. But not enough to mar his work. He emphasizes not painting with a broad brush but the "sociopathic" angle is arresting and I was disturbed by what he identifies there. God help and preserve the exceptions among the Boomers.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella November 17, 2018 10:53 PM  

um, hi, Houston has both NASA and refineries and that means men who weld. Onshore welding, offshore welding. Country teens who weld stuff? An average white IQ of 107? California seems to have discarded its brighter, more ambitious men, but they all seem to have ended up in Texas. The world teen robot competitions are held in Houston every year. Teams of teen boys (mostly teen boys) build advanced enough robots- CAD, and who knows what else- then go to Houston to compete.

The Boomers are literally worse than the Black Plague. The Black Plague killed off 1/3 of Europe's population. The Boomers killed off 1/3 of their children by abortion, and then another 1/3 were blighted by divorce. This has educational, health, and spiritual effects. 2/3 blighted is even more than the 1/2 of the Han population done in by the Mongols. Both of these older tragedies- the plague, and Mongol war crimes, occurred over a span of time of a century or more: the Boomers achieved this destruction in a few decades.


Who wouldn't find them the most hateful generation?



Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 10:55 PM  

@65

"
I want the meanest batard ever when Gen X takes over the Presidency. I want Andrew Jackson level mean. Any idiot judge tells them that they can't block anyone on Twitter or can't prevent some disruptive troll from CNN from press conferences goes to jail and faces a military tribunal for seizing power not granted the courts.

That's the kind of guy that will fix a lot of things wrong in this country. It is but a dream."

The 1st, or maybe 2nd Gen-X POTUS is going to make Andrew Jackson look like a piker.

Expulsion of the immivaders and other fraudster foreigners will make the Trail of Tears look like a party.

And all those reverse mortgages? I don't think they'll survive a Congressional investigation.

The Banker/Loan/University/indebtedness-for-life scame? I expect quite a few people to find that Congress conducts their own trials, and imposes life sentences for some, execution for others.

Too big to fail? Hah!

For a Generation which has known nothing but being sabotaged by the Boomers.... we know that failure prevention in and of itself, is NOT a good enough reason to protect the profligate who profited so well at the expense of others who were doing the right thing.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 10:58 PM  

@70

"Boomer here...guilty as charged. Not one for sweeping group apologies, so I will a count for my own sins. Except for Led Zepplin and Blackmore's Rainbow, our music sucks eggs, with the Beatles leading the parade."

The real crux of the matter is this -- if the vast majority of Boomers were like you, we wouldn't even be close to having these sorts of posts, because there would be no need, because the problems the Boomers compounded would have been fixed already, or at least significantly cut back and controlled, even if imperfectly, rather than amplified beyond possible control that doesn't involve mass executions and/or civil war.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 11:04 PM  

@78

"and Dave, you oughta know better. "if'n you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin" is how the NASCAR teams work. there's no cheating gravity."

Nor thermodynamics. Those parts were designed to curves dictated by the differential equations derived to wring every last ounce of thrust out of each pound of fuel.

I wonder who was in charge of the destruction of such archives. Probably the same sorts of people taking out reverse-mortgages so that their kids don't even have a house, or even a partially-paid-off house, to inherit.

Marketing advice from 20 years ago:

To sell to Silents and older: "Because you earned it"
To sell to Boomers: "Because you deserve it"
[I.e. your mere existence means that you should have some luxury.]

Interestingly, there was NOTHING about how to sell to anyone younger than Baby Boomers.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 11:09 PM  

@81

"I feel you, Dirk, but technically the Boomers didn't "start" that project. That was their parents. The quintessential Boomers that we're talking about weren't even original. They borrowed all that Peace Love "Anti-Racism" and Relativism crap from the liberals among their elders. Who got it from the CP and/or the OSS. Woodstock was about recycling...taking the worst ideas of their worst elders seriously and straight, and brazening them out to their extremes. Roll in the mud or screw like pigs to demonstrate non-judgmental "love" etc."

So you're denying that the Boomers could have collectively said, "What a load of crap!" instead of "Cool, man! Pass me that joint!"

Blogger tc November 17, 2018 11:11 PM  

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 11:12 PM  

@81

"The self-righteousness of their solipsism irks. No one existed except them, everyone was shit except them. They Changed The World. And simultaneously aren't responsible for anything in the world."

Why was the Western Civ core removed from colleges?

Because Boomer administraotrs couldn't bear the thought of Gen-X and later college student studying anyone who was born before the boomers, with the exception of advocates for the destruction of western civilization, by whatever means they specialized in, such as Thomas Dewey, of "how to destroy public education" fame.

Blogger justaguy November 17, 2018 11:12 PM  

Okay, everyone wants to blame the Boomers and no excuses. I try to complain about the evil left that has been basically in control for over a century... and they are what has basically been making the country worse--- but this is Boomer beat down—great but okay. Absolute responsibility- we didn’t fix everything and too many things turned much, much worse. But it is each generation’s responsibility to accept blame for the entire world during their time. The progressives of the Roosevelt era never accepted blame, nor did the Silents or any other generation...never accepted responsibility for the screwed up progressive nonsense that has been eating away at the cultural capital of the nation. So the Boomers can take their place in the public pillory.

I doubt that our most of my generation will accept any blame either. We are a very varied and different generation across all the line, hippie to strict conservative, loopy liberal (way too many) to whatever. We never came together and agreed on anything. Probably why many things never got done—the progressive/statist side versus the individual side—never really even compromised with each other—our fault. Although compromise with the statist is always a losing game to me.

As I posted earlier, much of the power in the economy is now with the younger generations. Gates, Jobs, etc. are gone and the next generation has more than assumed control. Does anyone think that Facebook, Google, Apple, Amazon or other tech company is controlled by Boomers??? Many mid sized companies may have a Boomer at the helm, but he is already looking for his replacement form the numerous ranks of the next generation in the company. There are still some oldsters in Congress-- they always hang around but what do they really do. I maintain that power has been passed-even with a Boomer President that none of the elites agree with. If you want to think that we are in power until the last Boomer dies—well then YMMV. For most things, Boomers aren’t in charge of hiring, policies etc. especially the media. The baton has been past.—so get on with it and fix things…

Just remember that most of society’s views of Boomers are very much fashioned by the mainstream media—Woodstock was really nothing-- except for the papers and constant media who would care. At least now you know there is fake news and the narrative and ignore most of it. Younger generations are far savvier than to believe what Madison Avenue or the elite news give them. The majority of Boomers didn’t protest the Vietnam War, were not hippies, etc. but today everyone thinks we are all versions of Nancy Pelosi or a some type of a bad rocker.

So go ahead and pillory- we didn’t fix many many things. The Boomers you know were probably as…….s too. Most of us quickly got on the treadmill and tried to give more to our families than we had. Few of us were rich- but we all wanted to be--- so yes we were materialistic, often very Christian, and often betrayed by our government—Just try to hold the same measurement to yourselves, especially with even more unmoored culture where there is not the wisdom of the past experience to go on.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 11:13 PM  

@82

" Get ready to see even more in your face indulgence, posturing and mocking of anyone even slightly less well off than them. Once they can completely disengage from work as a whole, expect the free love shit to ramp up once again. "

You're too late on that one.
The nursing home industry is already reporting rampant venereal disease epidemics among their baby-boomer residents.

Blogger Silent Draco November 17, 2018 11:18 PM  

Bob, it was the silents at the top of NASA getting even with Dr. von Braun for being right and successful. Instead of next gen heavy lift cargo and a reusable spaceplane, the budget cuts gave the top bureaucrats the opportunity to force the worst decision. Oh, and get rid of Saturn at the same time, no backsliding to something that worked. Read between the lines on the Shuttle decision docs, and find the weasels.

Blogger James Pyrich November 17, 2018 11:20 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:Interestingly, there was NOTHING about how to sell to anyone younger than Baby Boomers.

"Because you can't afford it."

Blogger Al Du Clur November 17, 2018 11:30 PM  

Boomers bad

Blogger Up from the pond November 17, 2018 11:31 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:boomers went and passed laws and made changes that prevented my generation from doing everything they did.

They not only pulled up the ladder. They spat on everyone below.

Dirk Manly wrote:Thank you George Bush, you really do deserve to die in the most painful and terrifying way possible.

I see him being roasted on a spit in Hell. Without basting.

Blogger Up from the pond November 17, 2018 11:39 PM  

#105. No, I said the Hate Whitey project was not "started" by the Boomers, which was your claim. The instigators of the 1965 Immigration Act, for example, were Silents.

I don't forgive the Boomers for Boomerism. The Gibney book I referred to in another comment has the data on what the Boomers as a generation are responsible for. Their record is bad.

Blogger Roy November 17, 2018 11:40 PM  

You can smell the catharsis wafting from Dirk Manly.

Or maybe that's just whiskey...

Blogger VFM #7634 November 17, 2018 11:40 PM  

"The nursing home industry is already reporting rampant venereal disease epidemics among their baby-boomer residents."

@Dirk Manly
Funniest comment by far today.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 11:50 PM  

"When I graduated from basic training in 1967 my senses were overwhelmed by the sex I saw in advertising when I was back in civvy life. I became aware of the impact of Madison Ave."

Even Jewish-owned and published MAD Magazine was pointing out and criticizing it.

I happened to have had the opportunity, as a child, to read my father's/uncles' collection of MAD which spanned from around issue #28 to around #124, with very few missing (less than 5), plus a few others after #124.

Now, Look at the back of issue #171. (December 1974)

https://images.bonanzastatic.com/afu/images/3241/5420/mad_dec_74b.jpg

Notably, the staff of MAD at this time were still all Silents, with no Boomers.


Bill Gaines, the founder and publisher of MAD was the son and heir of none other than William Gaines, the man who created bondage comics in the form of Wonder Woman, and who Vox wrote a posting about a couple of years ago.

It is notable, how, apparently, even Jewish Silents were appalled by so much of what what was going on under Jewish direction (Hollywood, TV shows, Madison Avenue's lies and corrupting influence) which the Boomers were lapping up as if it were the sweetest thing available.

In fact, one of the most interesting things about MAD is that it was a Jewish-owned, edited, and published magazine which got it's very start lampooning something which was overwhelmingly Jewish (the comic book industry) form which itself sprang, and once it stopped satirizing comics, and starting with issue #20 or so, changed format and immediately proceeded to satirize society in general, but the overwhelming proportion of what was targeted were, in fact, other Jewish-run projects within American society.

Politicians? very rarely.
Police? even less often.
The entertainment industry? Every issue, and often multiple pieces within the magazine.
Marketing? Yup.
Automobile companies? somewhat.
Automobile ads which originated in Madison Avenue? Very much so.

Blogger Lou Antonelli November 17, 2018 11:50 PM  

When I was young, I remember people saying the Baby Boom generation was messed up because THEIR parents grew up deprived in the Great Depression, and so they spoiled their kids.

Seems to have come true.

The Baby Boomers were the ones who collaborated with the Soviet Union so their heathen asses wouldn't drafted to go to Vietnam, so THEY raised up a generation of spoiled Communists - or the Millernials, as they are called.

No wonder this country is in a fix, this crap's been snowballing for two generations.

For the record, I'm 61.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 17, 2018 11:51 PM  

Extends to religion too. In what purports to be the Catholic Church, it's the Boomers who are most insistent that Vatican II Wasn't Implemented Enough. The new "Cardinal" Cupich of Chicago is the perfect example. If a parishioner threatens to leave because the local reverend is considering trying out a Latin Mass, guarantee it's a Boomer. The younger generations are far more to the right, because the liberal Fake Catholics have been leaving the faith and aborting their children.

Blogger Up from the pond November 18, 2018 12:00 AM  

In any search engine type: "venereal disease nursing homes" and read the results. Skip the Huffpo piece. Read the respectable results.

Another instructive search is "Why have so many baby boomers developed hepatitis C?"

Blogger Up from the pond November 18, 2018 12:09 AM  

Just realized Boomers love being discussed, though they may whine. They are accustomed to being the center of attention. They have been so for five decades. I'm going radio silent. Withdraw narcissistic supply.

Blogger Dave November 18, 2018 12:10 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:@47

"C'mon bob kuk, you know all they gotta do is get some of those Nascar guys on it and problem solved."

You mean the guys who shape metal by randomly bashing it with 2-pound hand-sledges are gonna fabricate an ignition chamber which needs to be shaped to within 1/100th of an inch for proper fluid dynamics?

I don't think so.

Even the Indy-car and formula 1 car mechanics fix most metal-shaping problems with heavy blows by a hammer and call it "good enough"


You gotta get with the times, Dirk.

NASCAR will have a new inspection system in place for the 2018 season, with a full-fledged rollout of a process that was tested at four tracks last year. But by the time the garage opens for business later this month at Daytona, the procedure will already be a familiar one.

The process — developed by Hawk-Eye Innovations, the company that oversaw the debut of NASCAR’s Pit Road Officiating technology — will replace the laser inspection system (LIS) and claw template station that previously measured vehicle bodies. The new system is expected to be far more thorough in its scanning process, creating a three-dimensional heat map of a particular car and comparing it to the computer-aided drawing (CAD) for each manufacturer.

...One notable difference is the new inspection bay’s appearance — a black tent with a collection of 16 cameras and eight projectors attached to its inner structure. An additional camera is positioned below the vehicle to measure the underside.

Once a car rolls in, the projectors cast light in a series of lines and dots over the body to create a coordinate system for the cameras. In roughly 30 seconds, those cameras capture the measurements of those light patterns and create a 3-D heat map — also called a point cloud — that helps officials determine whether a car is in compliance.

...The tolerances have changed. Last season, common elements of the car were officiated to 100-thousandths of an inch tolerance with manufacturer-specific parts measured to 190 thousandths. Now teams are measured to plus or minus 150 thousandths of an inch tolerance on all metal surfaces with 200 thousandths of an inch on glass surfaces.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 12:11 AM  

Correction:
Bill Gaines, the founder and publisher of MAD was the son and heir of none other than Max Gaines.

Continuing....


In fact, around Issue #30 is when MAD stopped taking ANY outside advertisement. Years later, when someone brought that up in an interview, Bill Gaines replied to the effect of : "If you're taking money from someone to run their ads, then they become off limits to any substantial criticism. We didn't want to be be hemmed in like that."

Here's part of an interview that Stars & Stripes did in the 1980's:

"Gaines avoided censorship in another way. He has never accepted advertising in MAD and says this is the most effective way of maintaining freedom in picking material for the publication.

"I don't know if anyone remembers it anymore, but I got this idea from a newspaper called PM that was published in New York in the '40s," said Gaines. "They were liberal and I was always intrigued with their concept — a paper refusing ads so they wouldn't have any censorship problems."

PM was edited by Ralph Ingersoll, who had made a name for himself at Time magazine, and published by Marshall Field, the Chicago-based department store magnate who went on to found Field Newspaper Enterprises. The newsstand price of PM was a nickel at a time when the N.Y. Daily News sold for 2 cents and the N.Y. Times, 3 cents. It began publishing in 1939 and ceased operating in 1946.

"Ingersoll was my hero," Gaines laughs. "I did what he did only I got away with it. Seriously, though, when you consider the kind of material we publish, it makes sense not to accept ads. You can't take money from Pepsi and spoof Coke."

It's been for that reason that Gaines has never brought MAD into other forms of the media as some of his rivals — most notably National Lampoon — have done.

"First of all it's really a hard thing to do," he explains. "Many people have tried it. Look at Monty Python, who are just incredibly funny. They have never been able to do anything successful in print."

Gaines said several people have tried to put MAD into the movies or on TV but that none have been successful. "The closest was when somebody did a pretty good half-hour show a few years ago," he recalled. "ABC reportedly sank around $700,000 into it."

Unfortunately, the show had a scene in it spoofing Ford cars and ABC had just signed a big deal with Ford. Gaines says he later heard that Ford had killed it and cites it as a good example of why MAD should never accept ads."

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 12:14 AM  

@115

"You can smell the catharsis wafting from Dirk Manly.

Or maybe that's just whiskey..."

My doctors tell me I should drink more often than about 3 cups of wine and maybe one mixed drink per year...

Blogger Greg Hunt November 18, 2018 12:19 AM  

Bingo.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 12:20 AM  

@122

[Long description of sub one-thousandths documantation of NASCAR bodies deleted]

You've never seen a NASCAR pit crew fixing up a car, after a minor incident, with duct-tape and hammers?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 18, 2018 12:20 AM  

@109 Dirk Manly
The nursing home industry is already reporting rampant venereal disease epidemics among their baby-boomer residents.
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Damn. We won't even be able to get usable soylent green out of these boomers.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 12:21 AM  

Greg Hunt... um, to whom or what are you reply with "Bingo" ?

Blogger weka November 18, 2018 12:22 AM  

Please. Think about the children.

Blogger Greg Hunt November 18, 2018 12:22 AM  

Reverse Mortgage. When she dies, the bank takes ownership.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 12:22 AM  

@127

"Damn. We won't even be able to get usable soylent green out of these boomers."

They are the locust generation, after all.

Blogger weka November 18, 2018 12:25 AM  

In the anrioodes the Greens have got the virtue signal wankers since 1972.

https://youtu.be/BnvRmj7G3XE

Blogger Greg Hunt November 18, 2018 12:33 AM  

"Remember -- Casket is the new 20!"
Maybe that's why zombies have become so popular. DEAD IS SEXY.

Blogger Greg Hunt November 18, 2018 12:41 AM  

We don't watch TV.

Blogger RusticFederalist November 18, 2018 12:50 AM  

I don't have animosity against the Boomers. They were so heavily propagandized, and had such restricted means of memetic propagation it's not surprising they can't break the conditioning. With many of them being raised by first or third generation citizens they were much less "American" than us, and that might be why every Boomer history teacher/professor I had gloated about the end of WASP America when we got to that period. They are a different country. I know my children’s generation will despise my generation.

Due to the demographic shift the only way I think Americans will have a near term redemption by the electoral process is a grand bargain between Gen-X/Y/Z and the Boomers/Silent. They keep their gibs, we pay for their gibs, we get no gibs, they vote our way, and our children live in a better society. If we don't strike this bargain with them it will be like the South Africans trying to vote their country back in 2000. I am open to better ideas, if anyone cares to offer them.

Blogger Dave November 18, 2018 12:53 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:@122

[Long description of sub one-thousandths documantation of NASCAR bodies deleted]

You've never seen a NASCAR pit crew fixing up a car, after a minor incident, with duct-tape and hammers?


Well, damn, Dirk, guess I never gave a thought to having the weekend warrior Nascar crews on pit road with limited tools and available resources, and while a race is ongoing, build and fabricate "rocket bells" rather than the dedicated fabrication teams in their multi-million dollar shops where they build car after car to exacting tolerances.

Blogger Starboard November 18, 2018 12:54 AM  

127. Were-Puppy November 18, 2018 12:20 AM
@109 Dirk Manly
The nursing home industry is already reporting rampant venereal disease epidemics among their baby-boomer residents.
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Damn. We won't even be able to get usable soylent green out of these boomers.
...
Shovel them under and let me work—
I am the grass; I cover all.
...
I am the grass.
Let me work. - Carl Sandburg

Compost Everything - David the Good

Blogger RusticFederalist November 18, 2018 1:00 AM  

VFM #7634 wrote:Extends to religion too. In what purports to be the Catholic Church, it's the Boomers who are most insistent that Vatican II Wasn't Implemented Enough. The new "Cardinal" Cupich of Chicago is the perfect example. If a parishioner threatens to leave because the local reverend is considering trying out a Latin Mass, guarantee it's a Boomer. The younger generations are far more to the right, because the liberal Fake Catholics have been leaving the faith and aborting their children.
I worked with a cross dressing Hillary voting Gen-X Knight of Columbus. That man hated anything traditional Catholic, insisted "well ackshually it is schismatic".

Blogger Greg Hunt November 18, 2018 1:19 AM  

Dirk Manly:

"Heian-kyo DreamsNovember 17, 2018 8:44 PM
"We gave the world civil rights and ended segregation, we're the best!!!"

"Oh, I won't live in that neighborhood, it's not safe!"

Reply
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Greg HuntNovember 18, 2018 12:19 AM
Bingo"

The "Reply" link on a smartphone drops the reply into a subthread under the originating comment. I understand it looks different on a desktop. Smartphones don't display any of those @#'s the desktop users quote.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 1:40 AM  

Yeah, I know.

That's why you see me including a quote of everything I'm replying to now.

The mobile site threading and the desktop site @postnumber system are mutually incompatible.

So I quote what i'm replying to so that no matter which platform I'm on, all readers will have some sort of clue what I'm banging on about.

Blogger Resident Moron™ November 18, 2018 1:47 AM  

e made sure that the Millennials didn't speak Russian

I wasn’t going to comment here. My father was born in 1925, served in North Africa, Italy, Germany. I was born in 66 so I ain’t a boomer either.

But you stupid fuckers armed and fed the Soviet Union for decades, just so you could enrich yourselves from federal taxes. The historic ignorance of your claim is proof positive that not only are you a boomer but you’re proud of your most evil and stupid failings. You thoroughly deserve the reputation of your kind.

But you at least are still alive. It’s not too late to stop being a narcissistic arsehole and start atoning for your sins.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( the Chortler's chortler ) November 18, 2018 2:00 AM  

99. John Atria November 17, 2018 10:50 PM
but Reagan didn't even slow down the left let alone stop them.



a statement this dumb can only have been asserted by someone who didn't live through Carter's stagflation.

there's a lot of things Reagan failed to do. but then, he never once had a Republican House and didn't even have a Republican Senate his last two years.

if you're going to apply this criteria to OrangeManBad, then he is also a massive failure.

and OrangeManBad and Reagan are the two best Presidents of my entire life.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 2:19 AM  

And on top of that, Carter had a Democratic majority in both the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Blogger God Emperor Memes November 18, 2018 3:15 AM  

"If I didn't know something they'd blame me for not knowing it..."

That describes my father to a tee.

Blogger God Emperor Memes November 18, 2018 3:17 AM  

My daughter is 5 years old and has never met her grandmother. - Apparently, a 3 hour flight is too difficult.

Blogger CoolHand November 18, 2018 3:21 AM  

bob kuk mando ( the Chortler's chortler ) wrote:...and there's been SO MUCH that's been lost already. according to Scott Manley, we can't even make a Rocketdyne F-1 anymore. the designs of the rocket bells require too much interpretation of prints and manual welding of tubes that we simply don't have qualified technicians with the skills necessary to implement them in this modern age of CNC programming.

that's really disturbing.



It may be disturbing, but it's also bullshit.

You read an article written by some reporter who asked one guy somewhere about those engines and then printed his opinion as gospel.

The F1 was a marvelous engine, but it wasn't fucking magic.

Maybe it cannot be recreated by whatever rump subsidiary of whatever company that bought what used to be Rocketdyne, but that does not mean that it is tech beyond all humans or even just all Americans.

Hell, I know of at least three people right off the top of my head who could do the welding on an F1 engine bell and injector plate.

It's fiddly high skill work, but it's not undoable by any means.

I mean, I know guys who are TIG welding titanium outside of a purge tank right now. Something that was thought to be impossible just ten years ago.

The skills still exist, likely in a lot more places than anyone thinks, they're just not looking in the right places.

Much easier to throw up your hands and declare something impossible than to spend the time and money to find the people you need or develop the skills/tech again from whole cloth.

I mean, those guys who welded for Rocketdyne didn't spring forth from JFK's navel, fully grown and able to weld up F1 injector plates, they had to learn the skill and develop the technology as they went, same as we'd have to do today.

If we truly needed to do that again, and nobody truly existed that already had that skillset, it could be recreated. Only requires time and money.

The average IQ having gone down does not mean that there are no intelligent people, or even that there are fewer than the 1960's, it just means that there are more stupids per capita than before.

If the need truly exists, then the people can be found that either possess the required skill or who can learn/redevelop it.

If this shit were as impossible as you guys are making it out, SpaceX would never have been able to figure out how to land their first stages and reuse them. A technology which we were reliably informed was impossible to develop due to how stupid we've all become and how difficult the problem was.

Same with anti-ballistic missile tech. Impossible to develop and will never exist, yet the systems they're operating and testing can reliably intercept multiple reentry vehicles in their terminal phase, from multiple angles of attack.

Some things may very well actually BE impossible, but that data set is only a fraction of the size of the one that currently carries the "impossible" name tag.

Anymore, "impossible" actually tends to mean "I don't know how and can't imagine a way".

I understand that work, testing, development, and iterative improvement are foreign concepts to most people, but that doesn't mean they cease to exist.

Blogger God Emperor Memes November 18, 2018 3:23 AM  

Maybe Millennials prefer motorcycles that are fast and actually go around corners?

https://youtu.be/b4ZfaDjxDBs

Blogger Brett baker November 18, 2018 3:34 AM  

The Beatles have a lot of good stuff. I've posted before, in they had been born Goldman and Stein in New York, the cool boomers would have reacted to the Beatles as they did Barry Manilow.

Blogger Brett baker November 18, 2018 3:40 AM  

Little punk bastards on your dadgum crotcher rackets!

Blogger Brett baker November 18, 2018 3:52 AM  

Reagan was WW2 generation. Thanks for sounding as ignorant as a boomer.

Blogger Shimshon November 18, 2018 3:52 AM  

Regarding the customer base of Harley-Davidson, my father in law (1946, early boomer, but a lifelong conservative) was a long-time owner for many years. He finally sold it a couple years ago because his legs just can't take riding anymore.

Blogger Brett baker November 18, 2018 4:08 AM  

In reluctant defense of the boomers, look how many of their parents are still alive. Living past your "Best Dead By" date didn't start with them.

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Blogger Brett baker November 18, 2018 4:09 AM  

In reluctant defense of the boomers, look how many of their parents are still alive. Living past your "Best Dead By" date didn't start with them.

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Blogger CoolHand November 18, 2018 4:09 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:@47

"C'mon bob kuk, you know all they gotta do is get some of those Nascar guys on it and problem solved."

You mean the guys who shape metal by randomly bashing it with 2-pound hand-sledges are gonna fabricate an ignition chamber which needs to be shaped to within 1/100th of an inch for proper fluid dynamics?

I don't think so.

Even the Indy-car and formula 1 car mechanics fix most metal-shaping problems with heavy blows by a hammer and call it "good enough"


Get over your city boy snobbery and do a little investigating before you post stupid shit.

Those hillbillies you're mocking build stock car bodies that have to pass a template test with a tolerance of less than 1/32" (-+0.025") using hand tools (english wheel, bead rollers, blocking hammers, sandbags, and plannishing hammers), from flat stock. In years past, the only stamped parts were the roof and rear decklid, everything else was hand shaped from flat stock.

Now the roof is the only stamped part. The hood, rear deck, and front/rear bumper covers are carbon composite moldings, and the rest is hand formed from flat stock.

Each car is laser 3D scanned before being allowed on the track each weekend, and has to meet the template specs down to -+0.025"

There hasn't been any bodywork made of metal on an F1 car in 30 years. Nor on an Indycar for more than 25 years. They are both entirely made from carbon fiber/kevlar composites these days, and have been for many years.

I really wish you guys who don't know diddly shit about actually making things would stop pontificating on these subjects. Every time you do, it is plainly obvious to those of us who do this shit for a living that you know very little about that which you speak.

Just a few quick realty checks from someone on the ground in this industry:

American manufacturing is actually undergoing quite a renaissance. Reshoring is taking place at a remarkable pace. Whole industries are coming back. Even steel mills and primary smelters, industries thought to be gone forever.

CNC does not remove all the skill from making something. It's not less or more skill than doing something on a manual machine, it's different skills.

There is no magic tech from the 1960's that is impossible to replicate today. If the need for such tech truly existed, the money, time, and people would be found to replicate/replace it. It can be done. If it's not being done currently, it's because we don't need it that badly or we've already developed something better.

Another thing to keep in mind is that there is no magical reason why a Rocketdyne F1 should be viewed as the end-all, be-all of rocket engines, nor would it have to be built in the same manner if you wanted to reproduce them next year.

They used weldments and did a lot of machine work the way they did it because that was the only way they COULD do it back then.

Do not mistake the method for the result.

It's entirely possible that an F1 injector plate could be machined in one piece (from solid) on a five axis CNC and totally do away with the need for the high skill welding you're bemoaning the loss of. Same with the exhaust bells.

And that's assuming that no modern design can or ever will output more thrust.

While that's true at this moment, it's only just, and SpaceX is working on an engine that will surpass it, as are others.

There are some modern engines that are close already.

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Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 4:15 AM  

"The Beatles have a lot of good stuff. I've posted before, in they had been born Goldman and Stein in New York, the cool boomers would have reacted to the Beatles as they did Barry Manilow."

...or Bob Dylan.

Oh, wait.

Blogger CoolHand November 18, 2018 4:25 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:@122
You've never seen a NASCAR pit crew fixing up a car, after a minor incident, with duct-tape and hammers?


Different guys, dumbass.

Body Guys at the Shop = Skilled Craftsmen
Over the Wall Crew at racetrack = Retired Football players and other assorted retired professional athletes (IE they're there for their physical prowess, not their fabricational finesse)

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 4:27 AM  

@157


"There hasn't been any bodywork made of metal on an F1 car in 30 years. Nor on an Indycar for more than 25 years. They are both entirely made from carbon fiber/kevlar composites these days, and have been for many years.

I really wish you guys who don't know diddly shit about actually making things would stop pontificating on these subjects. Every time you do, it is plainly obvious to those of us who do this shit for a living that you know very little about that which you speak."

You're speaking to someone who spent a summer making Saturn prototype panels. Hot, humid summers are miserable enough in surrounded-by-giant-lakes Michigan.... a hell of a lot worse when you're covered from ankle to neck in a non-breathing outer-layer to keep from becoming a fiberglass casualty,....oh, and of course, more of the same for half of the the head, and breathing filters.

Honestly, military Nuclear-Biological-Chemical protective posture garments are cooler and breathes more.

Blogger Michael Kingswood November 18, 2018 4:31 AM  

@19 Holy smokes do I smell what you're stepping in.

I got into a big fight with my dad a little while back. Technically he's not a boomer. Born in '44. But close enough.

I'm just finishing up a divorce, and it's only been in the last year and a half or so while this has been going on and I've read Rollo, Alpha Game, and others that I've realized how utterly wrong and jacked up my entire approach to women and relationships has been.

At the end of a particularly frustrating week of divorce drama I called Dad up and laid into him, asking why he never taught me a single thing about women, ever.

His response, stated deadpan and with no apology at all: "You're supposed to figure that out for yourself."

Thanks a lot.

Blogger CoolHand November 18, 2018 4:41 AM  

Dirk Manly wrote:You're speaking to someone who spent a summer making Saturn prototype panels. Hot, humid summers are miserable enough in surrounded-by-giant-lakes Michigan.... a hell of a lot worse when you're covered from ankle to neck in a non-breathing outer-layer to keep from becoming a fiberglass casualty,....oh, and of course, more of the same for half of the the head, and breathing filters.

Congratulations, you spent a summer 20 years ago as an intern at a Saturn plant.

Either that's your only contact with manufacturing in your life, or you've absorbed nothing in your tenure, because almost every single thing you've said in this thread has been wrong.

There's no shame in having worked in a cubicle a la Office Space your whole life, but if you have, don't try to pass yourself off as some kind of subject matter expert on fabrication and manufacturing, especially the cutting edge modern version of it.

Hell, I've been a professional machinist for close to sixteen years now, and I wouldn't come close to calling myself an expert in anything.

I just know enough about this stuff to know that you're talking out of your ass most of the time.

Blogger Uncle John's Band November 18, 2018 4:52 AM  

As a generation the boomers have a unique relationship with television. They are the only generation to be raised, come of age, and move into adulthood in a three-channel universe. All the “milestones” were largely shared viewing experiences. Even now, they define their worldview through programming.

It’s not just the narrative that was internalized, but an advertising model where you enjoy endless entertainment that someone else pays for.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 5:07 AM  

@164

"Congratulations, you spent a summer 20 years ago as an intern at a Saturn plant."

What Saturn plant.

This was in Pontiac, Michigan. Hundreds of miles from where the nearest Saturn plant would eventually be built.

Blogger Boorn Boorm November 18, 2018 5:08 AM  

There is a minority of boomers that didn't fall into the "counter-culture." I know one, who voted for Barry Goldwater (if you accept that boomers started 1943), and noted the "long-hairs" were the wildest ones who would get into fights at colleges and universities. By 1971, though, almost all the short hairs were gone, and were outnumbered in schools.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 5:10 AM  

There's a reason why the term for Boomer's in France is "the 68-ers"... because they suddenly were rioting in France in the summer of 1968, and no person below the age of 50 speaks well of them.

Blogger SJ November 18, 2018 5:20 AM  

Yep. Good old boomer dad has three mortgages on his house now, and brags about his retirement plan. If only we millennial weren't so lazy brb got to go off to my body breaking job to pay for every boomers Medicaid part D maybe I'll be able to walk when I'm 65.

Blogger Zwiebel November 18, 2018 5:24 AM  

"I'm encouraging my kids and grandkids who are generation Z. To revoke the woke"

Not only that. We need to encourage them to leave us behind if need be. Boomers broke it, but X and Y only listlessly picked through the rabble without taking much action to correct it. Z is truly screwed.

We need to give them any and all help we can and make it easy for them to ditch us should it become necessary.

I'd rather have living descendants than make it to 80.

Blogger Shimshon November 18, 2018 5:57 AM  

@145 "My daughter is 5 years old and has never met her grandmother. - Apparently, a 3 hour flight is too difficult."

My in laws are both early boomers. When we were living nearby (90 minute drive), and even to this day, they couldn't be bothered to visit for grandkids' births, birthdays, bar mitzvahs, or any festive occasions. They travel a lot, but have visited Israel twice since we moved here 25 years ago, and only when it fit in with their cruise plans (meaning a 36-72 port of call, when there happens to be an Israel stop), most recently five years ago. They have two daughters (out of three kids) and seven grandchildren (out of nine total) here. It's pretty ridiculous, and it has nothing to do with the ability to afford a trip.

My mother is a proto-boomer (1943). She definitely lives up to many of the stereotypes. When my wife got pregnant the first time, my mother did make the trip for the birth, but she said that before she came, she didn't think she would care a whit about being a grandmother. To her credit, she didn't live up to that boomer stereotype.

Blogger God Emperor Memes November 18, 2018 5:58 AM  

"the worst generation who ever lived and how they sold out all of our posterity so they could have more right then."
Not all Boomers, of course, but a STAGGERING, probably statistically anomalous number of them.

Blogger Mark Stoval November 18, 2018 6:01 AM  

In the "darkstream" thread:

Mark:
... As an aside and reply to the boomer hater up-thread, the first boomer was 15 when the 60's started. He and the other 15 year olds really controlled the politics of the '60s??? My God, they were some powerful dudes! (or, you are an idiot)"

Dirk Replied:
"You must have forgotten that by 1968, there were millions of you in the streets, screaming, and the politicians were literally willing to do anything to get the streets clear that didn't involve what was really necessary to prevent recurrance of the same -- public whippings. While locked in stocks, if need bed."


Reply to Dirk:

If I and everyone I knew had been allowed a machine gun and left alone, we would have gladly killed every one of the God Damn liberal hippie freaks along with the "civil rights" types. And all the older people who organized the marches and riots.

Southern culture, or at least the culture of the southern mountains where I came from, was prevented by the government from ridding us of the problems.

But why did the older people --- in the hundreds of millions --- not do it? Fucking cowards?

Dirk, the thread has shown that most here are blinded by hatred. Me too, but I hate the left, the SJWs, the "cultural" Marxists, the mindless collectivists, the government worshipers and so on.

I don't much care what age a man is: if he is a leftist or anti-white in any way then I hate him. And no, that is not un-Christian. Jesus is in the forgiveness business not me.

Blogger LAZ November 18, 2018 6:17 AM  

@96. Dirk Manly

"You mean the guys who shape metal by randomly bashing it with 2-pound hand-sledges are gonna fabricate an ignition chamber which needs to be shaped to within 1/100th of an inch for proper fluid dynamics?

I don't think so.

Even the Indy-car and formula 1 car mechanics fix most metal-shaping problems with heavy blows by a hammer and call it "good enough"

It's 1/10,000th. There are a lot of Gen-X and Millennials who are very competent CNC operators and welders. But enough to go around? No.

Pray tell, what metal work on an Indy or F-1 car needs a sledge? With that carbon fiber mono cockpit virtually the only real metal on them is the suspension and engine.

Blogger LAZ November 18, 2018 6:27 AM  

@167. Boorn Boorm

"By 1971, though, almost all the short hairs were gone, and were outnumbered in schools."

No they weren't, they were off fighting Communism in southeast Asia while their parents brought Communism to America and taught their peers to hate them.

Blogger Avalanche November 18, 2018 6:39 AM  

@21 "15 years later: "Can't fix a sink? Well, you're just lazy then.""

Nah, it's really: "Can't fix a sink? Yeah, me neither."

And, sure, I've got all the defensiveness going here, and am NOT going to try to defend, except: the Millennials are JUST as 'college-aged active' (and full-on blind: Cultural Revolution, anyone? "Break some arms for Mao!") about THEIR kumbaya/fix-the-world ideals, as we were about the one we were handed. Their socialism uber alles is as idiotic and destructive as our free-sex-and-dope for everyone!

Is this especially horrible of the boomers, or is it the human condition wearing a different garb for each generation?

Blogger Avalanche November 18, 2018 6:41 AM  

(Can you 'get through' to a Millennial any better than you can get through to a Boomer?)

Blogger Avalanche November 18, 2018 6:48 AM  

@54 "The first thing Gen-X will do when we finally get power is to slash 90% of government positions."

What can I do to help?

Blogger jayb November 18, 2018 6:49 AM  

OT:
https://tinyurl.com/yd3d6rn6
Hultgreen-Curie up-and-comer.

Blogger rumpole5 November 18, 2018 6:56 AM  

Re: "The younger generations are far more to the right" -- Not so much, look at the statistics. Or maybe they can't be bothered to figure out how to use one of the zillion ways available to vote.

These Boomer rants are entertaining on a slow news day, but like I wrote earlier, Beating a dead horse. Millennials need to focus on improving themselves because they are the ones who have a future to lose.

Blogger DJT November 18, 2018 7:08 AM  

I know one Boomer couple who fit this stereotype to a T.

They're incredibly well off, multimillionaires (both were teachers, so they're living off their massive Boomer government pensions). They have a second house in Florida and a brand new car they can barely drive safely as early Alzheimers starts in.

Two of their three Gen X children have had bad luck in life. They work hard but never quite are able to climb out from the hole. Their parents don't lift a finger to help. They are afraid to ask because they've been berated so much in the past for needing it, despite having the means.

I could maybe understand not wanting to help your stupid kids, but your grandchildren? Stuck in awful public schools and dependent on government assistance?

Yet many of these same Boomers and their churches sponsored Cambodians back in the 70s, who came over here and were only 50/50 decent people. They'll help people all over the world for nice feelings while their own flesh and blood rot.

Blogger DJT November 18, 2018 7:19 AM  

Jesus is in the forgiveness business not me.

Oh please. It's basic Christianity that if you don't forgive others, God won't forgive you. If you don't care about Christ's teachings just say so, but don't twist them with blanket statements of a false nature.

But rather, say that repentance precedes forgiveness. The generations that destroyed this civilization have not repented, and thus will not be forgiven.

Blogger Northpal November 18, 2018 7:27 AM  

@DJT Oh boo hoo hoo MUH bad luck, buddy can you spare a dime. What you are saying is you know 2 out of 3 Gen Xers were born and grew up in the best middle class America could offer and STILL couldn't make it.
MUH Boomers fault taking the the teat away before 50 yrs old.

Blogger Avalanche November 18, 2018 7:32 AM  

@145 "My daughter is 5 years old and has never met her grandmother. - Apparently, a 3 hour flight is too difficult."

So, uh, you've never taken her there? Too difficult? Yup, it's all granny's fault!

Blogger Avalanche November 18, 2018 7:39 AM  

@146 "If we truly needed to do that again, and nobody truly existed that already had that skillset, it could be recreated. Only requires time and money."

Yeah, guess that explains why both of my (subcontractor) machine shops are desperate to find ANY human who has the skills and experience to do the work. Not find willing kids (if there were any) who WANT to learn: an operating machine shop is NOT a school. They haven't the time or money to train up kids how they should go. And the vo-tech schools jes' cain't do it! Even the kids willing to learn are not usable without some years of experience -- and a running machine shop can't do that AND stay in business. And the govt money is being spent to 'recruit' diversity (cause: we need more women welders, don't we? Not.); not provide CAD/CAM and welding experience.

Chicken? Egg? No omelets here, boss.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia November 18, 2018 7:40 AM  

Two can play at this game

Dear Suburban College Educated Gen X and Gen Y women –

I am so sorry that your looks are fading, that your princess dream of a lifetime of monogamous marital bliss with an Alpha male never came true. Yes, of course, you know deep down inside that Donald Trump is exactly that sort of man, that man you can never have, but who you desperately wanted, and, well, anyway, he would have dumped your frumpy posterior for a hotter younger woman inevitably.

So instead you take out your silly irrational emotional rage at the ballot box and vote for the likes of Krytsten Sinema and Alexandria Occasional Cortex because, well, they are part of the great sisterhood of Feminist idiocy and victimhood.

Take THAT Donald Trump. Too bad that your amygdala driven reactions are going to lubricate the inevitable decline of your nation, marginalize your sons (assuming you took the time to have a son), and hasten the destruction of the values that we should as moral humans hold dear.

But, hey, sticking it to that misogynist Donald Trump feels OH SO GOOD.

Don’t forget to change the battery on your vibrator!!

Love and kisses,

All the sensible males

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 7:41 AM  

@173

"
I don't much care what age a man is: if he is a leftist or anti-white in any way then I hate him. And no, that is not un-Christian. Jesus is in the forgiveness business not me. "

That reminds me of a story from a friend who was an army drill sergeant for many, many years (before coming to the Guard).

It's the 2nd or 3rd day of a new platoon's first week of training. They're issuing rifles... suddenly, the unmistakable clatter of an M-16 hitting the concrete floor of the arms room (really, no other rifle sounds like it!). A Private has DROPPED HIS WEAPON! Immediately, all 3 drills are on him, yelling and swearing, and questioning any claim that he is human. The Private responds by begging them not to swear at him, because he's an ordained minister.

Oh.

Shit.

If this is true, he shouldn't be a Private in enlisted Basic Training; he should be a Captain, and going through Officer Candidate School.

So they take him to the company commander's office, sit him in a chair while fishing up his DD 201 (Personal Records Jacket) File. Sure enough, the education section says he's got a Divinity degree. But there's nothing the drills or even the company commander can do about the fact that he's on an enlisted contract, and he's in Infantry Basic Training at Fort Benning.

"Private, how did you end up here? You should be in Officer Candidate School, and then in the Chaplain's Course."

"I don't know. I went to a recruiting office. The sergeant there asked me what I wanted to do, and I told him I wanted to be a missionary.(*)"

"Well, ok. You should be a Captain. And the army will get you back-paid for the difference in pay between the two ranks once the rank is pinned on your shoulder. The problem is this -- right now, you MUST graduate from this course, even though it's not where you belong, or you'll be given a general discharge, and you'll never see any of that Captain's pay. Our advice to you is this -- play the game that we play here, according to our rules, so we can get you graduated. Once you are graduated, we can get G-1 section to approve a direct commission to Captain, and you'll get a lump sum for all the pay above and beyond Private that you're entitled to."


The Private agreed.

Several days later, on the Bayonet Assault course, while every other Private in the company is meeting opposing-forces dummies with "Blood makes the grass grow!" this Private has his own, special motto: "Jesus Loves You, But My Country Doesn't!"

In the early 2000's, I was introduced, via a mutual friend from Purdue (and also the same Intel NCO I meantioned yesterday or the day before) to a MilIntel Colonel (formerly Mechanized Infantry, be he used the 1-time opportunity to rebranch ot Intel) who had recently been retired out of the Indiana Guard, but by going into Individual Ready Reserve instead of the Retired Reserve, and with the Intel NCO's connections in D.C., got himself a nice active duty stint. The two of them (The Colonel and the NCO, along with a couple others) are part of a private corporation which bought some nice, ravine-filled land, which they mainly use for shooting weapons into an impromptu range going down into one of the ravines. Most of the weapons are full-auto pieces that the Colonel has collected over the years....and he brings typically a half dozen U.S. DOD cases of ammo to the range.

The 2nd time I'm there, I bring my friend and the former Drill Sergeant friend along. He tells the story above about the Private with the Divinity degree.

The Colonel laughs, and then tells him, "No wonder that chaplain from [some battalion] was always going on about the Drill Sergeants who "abused" him at Fort Benning!"

(*) Apparently, some Recruiting Sergeant, desperate to find ANYBODY who would sign up to be infantry, misheard "missionary" as "mercenary."

Blogger Northpal November 18, 2018 7:41 AM  

@bob kuk mando Oh mt lawd, typical Gen-Xer gives disapproval as if that will change anything.
Try being in the fight like the 50s/60's when your parents and grandparents not just called us Notsees for stopping rampaging blacks from burning our cities and putting down the 100's of riots.
Oh but they did send us to Vietnam for a bit of R&R while they hid under deferments grew and styled their hair prostituting themselves for Corporate America's deindustrialization.

Blogger Johnny November 18, 2018 7:43 AM  

@106 That Lennon song really is the ultimate in wishful thinking. Humankind is pure, but for being polluted by institutions. (With honorable mention here for Roseau's noble savage myth.)

A long time ago us Americans got it right. "if men were angels no government would be necessary."

As for Harley, they are the ultimate show bike. The company hit pay dirt with boomer nostalgia. Boomers both wanted the fancy models and had the bucks to pay. Functionally Honda Motor Company blew them in the weeds fifty years ago.

Bet ya if they wanted to build a Rocketdyne F-1 the big hassle would not be assembly but the parts suppliers. We are short of people with good fabrication skills, but there are still a few around.

Don't like magazines now? Content is more dominated by advertisers than readers. MAD and odd exception, and not the magazine it used to be.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 18, 2018 7:44 AM  

"Can you 'get through' to a Millennial any better than you can get through to a Boomer?"

Hi.

Blogger Northpal November 18, 2018 7:46 AM  

@JACIII God you are such a rebel, playing awful degenerate noise full of whining and complaints, juat add a couple bucks and you get your favorite starbucks coffee.

Blogger Northpal November 18, 2018 7:48 AM  

Hmmmm......Butt hurt, really??? Projection anyone from across the seas.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 7:57 AM  

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Blogger rumpole5 November 18, 2018 8:07 AM  

Re: "Yup, it's all granny's fault!" -- And that is the problem with Boomer rants, in a nutshell. It doesn't solve anything. Instead, try focusing on improving yourself. You, and maybe your kids as children, are the only people that you have a meaningful chance to change. If Boomers are poor role models, then model someone else. Many Boomers are foolishly mortgaged to the hilt. That is why they still have to work. Many others who did save enough for the time when it is harder to work (including myself) are finacially drained covering for millennial offspring. I know a great number of fellow Boomers who are helping Millennial offspring who have made very unwise life decisions. And no compaints, just facts. My concern is that blaming other people for your poor habits, decisions, bad attitudes, and the like, is just putting off the changes in yourself that will help you do better in life.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 8:09 AM  

@183

"Oh boo hoo hoo MUH bad luck, buddy can you spare a dime. What you are saying is you know 2 out of 3 Gen Xers were born and grew up in the best middle class America could offer and STILL couldn't make it.
MUH Boomers fault taking the the teat away before 50 yrs old."

I'm bleeding edge Gen-X.

The days of paying for a full-time load of classes working a part time job were ALREADY LONG GONE by the time I started college. And that was at a STATE university, not a private institution.
You know what my part time jobs in my college days got me? Enough to buy dinner on Sunday nights (when none of the dorms served a meal) -- basically, splitting a pizza with someone. A milkshake or other snack most week nights, and a very limited amount for incidental school-related expenses. Covering my tuition? NOT EVEN CLOSE.
Even summers working a rather cushy (and union) job in the Security department at a Cadillac assembly plant didn't cover my tuition. Thank God my dad was willing to chip in to cover the difference. AND pay for my books and supplies at the start of each semester.

You Boomers really have not the slightest clue about how conditions changed since you were the age that you were when you complain about those who came after you, and their "failure to accomplish" the same level of financial security, etc. at the age you did.

The WW2 Generation and the Silents set you up EXTREMELY WELL to get a good solid start in life (other than Johnson's dumb idea to get involved in a second "somebody else's civil war"). It's a damn crime that you REFUSED to do the same for those who came along after you.

Blogger Cloudbuster November 18, 2018 8:15 AM  

"your generation's weird, self-obsessed collective consciousness.

"Love,
Generation X"

Um....

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 8:15 AM  

@196

"Re: "Yup, it's all granny's fault!" -- And that is the problem with Boomer rants, in a nutshell. It doesn't solve anything. Instead, try focusing on improving yourself. You, and maybe your kids as children, are the only people that you have a meaningful chance to change. If Boomers are poor role models, then model someone else. Many Boomers are foolishly mortgaged to the hilt."

It's not that the Boomers are poor role models.

It's that the Boomers

1) ACTIVELY FUCK UP EVERYTHING so that there is nothing left but a trail of desolation behind them

2) ̶A̶c̶t̶i̶v̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶e̶n̶c̶o̶u̶r̶a̶g̶e̶ INSIST that everyone younger than themselves REPEAT THE SAME DAMNED FUCKUPS AND DAMAGE TO THE COUNTRY that they themselves committted

3) NEVER EVER EVER work to undo any of the damage which they, the Locust Generation, has caused.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 8:22 AM  

@196

>> "your generation's weird, self-obsessed collective consciousness.

>> "Love,
>> Generation X"

> Um....

1) Gen X has never had "I'm Gen X" as the primary, and overwhelming component of their self-identity like Baby Boomers. We only refer to ourselves as Gen-X when in these sorts of generational discussions. I have NEVER, in my entire life, since I was a child in kindergarten, met a Baby Boomer who did not identify himself or herself, first, and foremost, as a Baby Boomer.

2. Gen X's only cohesiveness is that of "Everything in this country was so great when we were kids, and by the time we got out of college, someone destroyed it, like how 3-year old child, getting his hands on something meant for older kids, smashes a toy into pieces because it didn't do EXACTLY what he wished it could do."

3) Gen-X has never really sneered at the Millenials, other than to criticize them for regurgitating the same outlandish lies of the Baby Boomers, and their widespread lack of any curiousity or desire to learn anything on their own. And their 24x7 addiction to burying their face in a phone to play with idiot social apps.

Blogger Lurker November 18, 2018 8:33 AM  

Boomers = decline of the white race, period.end.dot.

which means end of Western Civilization.

Fuck off and go to hell BoomerTARDS

Sincerely.

Gen X

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 8:34 AM  

Avalanche... who can more easily afford to travel to visit relatives by 3-hour plane fare:

1) Grandma, who is retired, and has just herself

2) Grandchild's parents, requiring 3 airfares, and requires taking time off of work (raising the cost even higher, due to loss of income).

Seriously, get real. Stopping acting like the rest of the idiots born the same year you were.

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