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Friday, November 30, 2018

Unreliable search

Google gets caught debating the manipulation of search results on ideological grounds:
Google employees debated whether to bury conservative media outlets in the company’s search function as a response to President Donald Trump’s election in 2016, internal Google communications obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation reveal.

The Daily Caller and Breitbart were specifically singled out as outlets to potentially bury, the communications reveal.

Trump’s election in 2016 shocked many Google employees, who had been counting on Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton to win.

Communications obtained by TheDCNF show that internal Google discussions went beyond expressing remorse over Clinton’s loss to actually discussing ways Google could prevent Trump from winning again.

“This was an election of false equivalencies, and Google, sadly, had a hand in it,” Google engineer Scott Byer wrote in a Nov. 9, 2016, post reviewed by TheDCNF.

Byer falsely labeled The Daily Caller and Breitbart as “opinion blogs” and urged his coworkers to reduce their visibility in search results.

“How many times did you see the Election now card with items from opinion blogs (Breitbart, Daily Caller) elevated next to legitimate news organizations? That’s something that can and should be fixed,” Byer wrote.“I think we have a responsibility to expose the quality and truthfulness of sources – because not doing so hides real information under loud noises,” he continued....

The discussion about whether to bury conservative media outlets isn’t the first evidence that some Google employees have sought to manipulate search results for political ends. After Trump announced his initial travel ban in January 2017, Google employees discussed ways to manipulate search results in order to push back against the president’s order.

A group of employees brainstormed ways to counter “islamophobic, algorithmically biased results from search terms ‘Islam’, ‘Muslim’, ‘Iran’, etc,” as well as “prejudiced, algorithmically biased search results from search terms ‘Mexico’, ‘Hispanic’, ‘Latino’, etc.”
Well, at least they're not threatening to physically attack any crypto-Trump supporters discovered in their midst again. Merely undermining the core purpose of the company's existence is pretty mild in comparison. The astonishing thing is that Google continues to employ these lunatics despite knowing perfectly well that they are actively conspiring against the company's best interests.

But that's good news, because it means that Google is converged to the point that it is increasingly unable to perform its primary functions and will eventually be replaced. I already find Duck Duck Go entirely suitable for all my search needs and Protonmail is getting pretty close to being able to replace Gmail.

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Blogger Rory November 30, 2018 6:46 AM  

Just to add, speaking of ProtonMail, that ProtonDrive is still in development. Apple seem to be the least bad as far as these companies go, if you want some sort of cloud storage option. I'm excited for ProtonDrive to drop so I can finally have somewhere more secure to store stuff (well, as secure as storing stuff remotely is ever gonna be at the non-corporate level)/

Blogger Dave November 30, 2018 7:07 AM  

What amuses me is these people believe they had a significant impact on the election. How many people would say their vote was changed by a Google search?

Blogger linesy November 30, 2018 7:12 AM  

That's a fair point, but many races come down to a few thousand points, its doesn't take a lot to move the needle. There is a great interview on Michael Malices show, your welcome, about the power of google recently, worth checking.

Blogger AvocadoBob November 30, 2018 7:26 AM  

Hey Vox, what do you think of Tuta Nota?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 30, 2018 7:27 AM  

Isn't producing spyware for the Chinese regime the next profit center for Gulag?

I really doubt these pathetic leftist fame whores can produce an algo that can't be shit poasted by mashing together all the coalition of the fringes favorite buzzwords. But maybe "AI" is now so sophisticated that Transexual Islamic Multi-culturalism is really not a thing.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 30, 2018 7:38 AM  

I gotta line up with the opinion that Google can shift power via their dastardly efforts to block sites.

But primarily it is our fault because we suffer a huge political rhetoric effectiveness gap, and I mean friggin black hole galaxy wide huge gap. The Left has sexist, racist and homophobe and the occasional use of anti-semite we on the other hand have Boomercon granny and grandpa speak of socialist and librul.

Chop the Left's rhetoric down a few notches and find something cooler and more effective than Rush or Hannity blah, blah, blah for political rhetoric The Gulag would just have to unplug the webz.

One last bit of evidence, Caste Football is under the Eye of Gulag and its stagnating with no real new posters even though the NFL and college football are ripe for a fresh perspective.

Blogger Al Du Clur November 30, 2018 7:38 AM  

I find qwant to be another good Google replacement. It and DDG are my go to search engines

Blogger CM November 30, 2018 7:41 AM  

I've noticed the ability to search mine has gotten increasingly more tedious.

Duck Duck Go is built on the Google engine. Is it a port like infogalactic is of wiki? Built on the same initial product but diverging in changes?

Google used to truly be the best out there. We forgot all the 90s rules of performing database queries at Google's peak.

Blogger Blaidd November 30, 2018 7:42 AM  

How many people would say their vote was changed by a Google search?

If the only results you can get when looking up news about Trump is "ORANGE MAN BAD, DID BAD THING TODAY. YOU SHOULD BE MAD". It has a significant effect on average people who only spend 30 minutes a day, at most, reading headlines. It doesn't make them vote for a Hillary Clinton, it does make them not show up to vote for a Trump.

Blogger Avalanche November 30, 2018 7:48 AM  

@2 "these people believe they had a significant impact on the election"

Hey, wait! Isn't that collusion? Are these Ruuuuussians working at Google?!

Blogger Duke Norfolk November 30, 2018 7:49 AM  

Blaidd wrote:If the only results you can get when looking up news about Trump is "ORANGE MAN BAD, DID BAD THING TODAY. YOU SHOULD BE MAD". It has a significant effect on average people who only spend 30 minutes a day, at most, reading headlines.

Yes. Don't project. We're talking about the huge middle to left of the bell curve here. These people are hugely influenced by Google and their presentation of the "facts" and news.

Again, don't project. MPAI, and all that.

Blogger Nate November 30, 2018 7:50 AM  

Bing is better than Google by a wide margin in the areas most civilians require

Blogger Gregory the Great November 30, 2018 7:52 AM  

Not only that: They changed their algorhythms in such a way that a new business will not appear in the Top Ten even if that business is one of two cosmetic spas in a small town. Probable reason: First they would like that business to pay a lot of money for adwords.

Blogger Gregory the Great November 30, 2018 7:53 AM  

Yandex.com is not bad for certain things.

Blogger Jack Ward November 30, 2018 7:54 AM  

Ah, Protonmail. Must visit there. Again, why it's so refreshing to come to this space. Honest and useful information. And, of course, a chance to worship at the feet of the Dark Lord!

Blogger Jack Ward November 30, 2018 7:59 AM  

@13. Gregory.
How true. I was at a gunshow recently and one of the vendors there told me how they were pestered day and night, each day, with phone calls trying to get them to spend more money with googigles and get better search results and the like. Owner had to finally tell them his business was closed. The gookids promptly listed his business as closed down on their search results. Tells one all one needs to know about the g. At least they did stop the harassing phone calls to the guy.

Blogger Dave November 30, 2018 8:11 AM  

If the only results you can get when looking up news about Trump is "ORANGE MAN BAD, DID BAD THING TODAY. YOU SHOULD BE MAD".

Nah, people are already bombarded all day long everywhere they go by TV, radio, newspapers, magazines, their internet home pages.


That's a fair point, but many races come down to a few thousand points, its doesn't take a lot to move the needle.

But that can be said concerning a thousand things; maybe somebody doesn't like his neighbor and sees them wearing a MAGA hat, so he voted for Hillary to spite them.

Blogger Johnny November 30, 2018 8:27 AM  

Something is up with Google all right. Not as good as it used to be.

Blogger Johnny November 30, 2018 8:28 AM  

>>What amuses me is these people believe they had a significant impact on the election. How many people would say their vote was changed by a Google search?

A truly effective propaganda machine is covert. None of us have opinions that are as original as we think they are. If you are aware that Google convinced you then you are not properly *convinced*.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 30, 2018 8:33 AM  

@4

"Hey Vox, what do you think of Tuta Nota?"

As noted by Crew yesterday, Tuta Nota has been compromised, through lawfare, by the German government.

Check out the chan screen grab:

https://gab.com/media/image/bq-5c00a3ceb3a87.png

Blogger English Tom November 30, 2018 8:54 AM  

...with items from opinion blogs elevated next to legitimate news organisations.

It would be easier to find a real live unicorn than a,legitimate news organisation in today's Western world.

Blogger Matt November 30, 2018 9:07 AM  

I don't even bother to google certain things because I know I'll have to wade through several pages of sites that are not only filled with lies and misinformation, but identical copies of one another.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 30, 2018 9:14 AM  

How many people would say their vote was changed by a Google search?

By the search itself, maybe not many. But how many people didn't learn something that would have affected their vote, or their likelihood of voting, because Google suppressed the source that carried it? For instance, you pretty much never get a 4chan page from Google unless you drill down so narrowly that nothing else would match, even though that's an enormous resource of links and discussion of news. How many sources don't exist at all because their profitability depended on search rankings that Google buried? We have no idea.

I recall in the 2012 election, going to the Twitter homepage and getting the impression from trending topics and tweets that Obama would get about 99% of the vote. He might as well have been running unopposed. That might not affect people who pay attention to politics, but it has to have some effect on the masses who think "everyone says so" is an argument for the right thing.

Blogger AvocadoBob November 30, 2018 9:23 AM  

God DAMN it...

Blogger Duke Norfolk November 30, 2018 9:29 AM  

Nate wrote:Bing is better than Google by a wide margin in the areas most civilians require

And the daily pictures are really very good. Seldom anything that's pozzed, and usually stunning and/or interesting. Today's is a beautiful picture of castle ruins on a loch.

I keep waiting for them to go all SJW on their images, but they haven't yet, thankfully.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 30, 2018 9:45 AM  

"What amuses me is these people believe they had a significant impact on the election. How many people would say their vote was changed by a Google search?"

I have two immediate relatives who voted Egg McMuffin (independent) rather than Trump because of exactly this sort of thing, so you'll forgive me if I find it less than amusing.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 30, 2018 9:49 AM  

Once again, with emphasis:
Consent cannot be manufactured. If it could, no one would question the veracity of the "news" monoculture. The harder "they" try, once the trend has changed, the more they highlight their fail.

It's identical to the Fed trying to push out more credit once the public has lost trust in the lending/borrowing system (AKA pushing on a string.) People simple don't realize that a con game requires TWO active participants. Marks are marks only as long as they maintain their frame. When reframing occurs, the con no longer works...and when the con is offered, it might as well come with neon lights and a siren.

Slowly but (I think) surely, all of the "cons" that literally defined "American institution" are now visible to a growing fraction of the populace, and by responding to this with amplification, the people running these institutions simply raise the clarity level of their prior marks.

When Enron's share price was still near apogee there were reports of underlying malfeasance. Only when the price declined (literally) 95% did stock analysts (AKA the mainstream) finally throw in the towel on their "BUY" recommendations. Then did the dam break and people opened their eyes (reframed) to what was already there in plain sight.

All we await is the "price decline."

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 30, 2018 9:51 AM  

"We forgot all the 90s rules of performing database queries at Google's peak."

Or just stopped using them since google has gotten "smart" enough to jack those attempts up exactly the same way as their more intuitive brethren. Kind of like autocorrect that you have to correct around fifty times as often as it actually succeeds in correcting you rather than incorrecting you.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 30, 2018 9:57 AM  

The world goes by itself.
Most men (and nearly all women) are slaves. Sallust pointed this out 2000 years ago. Nock reminded us in 1936 that the masses are...the masses. They behave as a wave form affecting a single body (think "jellyfish.") The tide that creates their undulation is endogenous, not controlled by the outside world or "events." There's plenty of evidence this is so.

History is not guided by the behavior of the mindless NPCs who make up the vast majority of any society. They are by definition "inertia," nothing more. If the recent (50-500 year) trends really are pausing before a major trend change, this is exactly what we'd expect to see...the mindless drones still coasting on the old trajectory while yet-undefined movements in different directions vie for the title "harbinger." Only in hindsight will we know which movement would become the first steps to what is next.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 30, 2018 10:10 AM  

"Yes. Don't project. We're talking about the huge middle to left of the bell curve here. These people are hugely influenced by Google and their presentation of the "facts" and news."

Exactly. There are a lot of people who, if we are lax in our due diligence, will end up cozened by those with malicious intent.

"Nah, people are already bombarded all day long everywhere they go by TV, radio, newspapers, magazines, their internet home pages."

If everything you see is purple except for one thing, you know that everything is not actually purple. If on the other hand Google is purple too, you know nothing.

Every little tug tightens the noose. Every little cut of other colors weakens its grasp.

"But that can be said concerning a thousand things; maybe somebody doesn't like his neighbor and sees them wearing a MAGA hat, so he voted for Hillary to spite them."

So what? You need a tighter argument. Pointing out that there are multiple potential factors in no way negates the significance of any factor. Don't think in binary.

A single drop does indeed raise the ocean, and scroogle is no small drop.

"Consent cannot be manufactured."

Well, not directly and perfectly, but it can be manipulated. What's that? You want to Brexit? You don't want gay marriage? You voted wrong. Time for another vote. And another. And another. And....

"People simple don't realize that a con game requires TWO active participants."

Very true. You don't just happen to believe a lie. You have to choose to believe it.

Blogger Garuna November 30, 2018 10:14 AM  

All this social media censorship is a symptom of the coming balkanization. The American left and right simply cannot coexist on any material or digital space together. The differences are irreconcilable and the divorce will be absolute.

Blogger Warunicorn November 30, 2018 10:15 AM  

I find it hilarious that Google is pulling exactly what NPCs like themselves have accused Russia of doing---influencing elections. But that's OK because Orange Man Bad or something.

There's an interesting-looking documentary on Amazon Prime called "The Creepy Line" about how both Google and Facebook influence and manipulate people. I haven't given it a go, yet.

Blogger Dave November 30, 2018 10:22 AM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"What amuses me is these people believe they had a significant impact on the election. How many people would say their vote was changed by a Google search?"

I have two immediate relatives who voted Egg McMuffin (independent) rather than Trump because of exactly this sort of thing, so you'll forgive me if I find it less than amusing.


And I know people that don't have a clue what The Daily Caller and Breitbart are but still voted for Trump. Of course, Google, Twitter, Facebook etc want people to think they have more influence than they do.

Blogger Lamarck Leland November 30, 2018 10:31 AM  

I can honestly tell I stopped using google because I couldn't find what I was looking for. Already replaced with startpage first, and now yippy.

I don't even search for political stuff, google is simply falling behind

Blogger wahr01 November 30, 2018 10:56 AM  

Let's not act as if we still have "democracy" in anything but name.

They have been "finding" absurd amounts of votes since election day..
Just this week a race that was +6% gop on election day was "miraculously" flipped Democrat via "found" votes.

The new california gas tax was polling 70% (against) and prompted successful recall of a Democrat legislator.
Somehow prop 6 to repeal it failed by a 55/45 margin at the ballot?
They called the race for Gavin less than 15 minutes after the polls closed?

Quiet muttering is happening even in the most lefty of enclaves.. i've seen it on the ground.

The fact this happened across the country, even in ruby red states, indicates the "uniparty" is quite willing to sacrifice the facade of "legitimate elections" to keep their trillion-dollar pillaging of the empire alive.

"It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes."

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 30, 2018 11:03 AM  

Duck Duck Go is built on the Google engine. Is it a port like infogalactic is of wiki? Built on the same initial product but diverging in changes?

It's not, no, and no. You can't fork Google's engine. Good luck getting them to describe their algorithm, let alone show you the code. DDG was built from the ground up using Perl, and still runs on it as far as I know. Perl is far too uncool for anyone at Google to use. DDG pulls links from a bunch of sources, but the primary ones aside from their own crawler are Yahoo and Bing. I don't know whether they pull anything from Google, but considering how many shots they take at Google over privacy, it doesn't seem like a likely partner.

When I first started using DDG, I would use Google as a backup when DDG failed to find anything. I almost never do that anymore, and the last couple times I did, Google had even fewer results than DDG did.

Blogger Barbarossa November 30, 2018 12:04 PM  

@27 How very right you are. I worked for a short stint at an investment bank at the height of the Enron craze (was not there for the crash). I was covering more 'traditional' companies and was amazed at the level of self-delusion involved in justifying the P/Es of an Enron. One of the analysts was in the very front line of the biggest Enron cheerleaders. The conversations usually went something like this:

True Believer: You just don't understand. This is cutting-edge analysis.
Skeptic: You're just making valuations up.
True Believer: Not so. For example, advertising should be classified as capital, not an expense.
Skeptic: Then shouldn't ever company get to capitalize advertising?
True Believer: No! That's only for cutting-edge companies. You're obviously not very sophisticated.

Probably don't need to tell this crowd, but stock valuations are 100% fake. Any stock recommendation you see on CNBC is suspect. Every single mathematical input into whatever model you decide to use is up for grabs. Risk-free interest rate anyone? Hmmm. One year Treasury? Thirty year? Is the debt issuances of the USG really risk-free anymore?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 30, 2018 12:09 PM  

@2 Dave

How many people would say their vote was changed by a Google search?
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More like, how many peoples votes would have changed if they were getting anything other than #FakeNews regarding Hillaroid?

Blogger wahr01 November 30, 2018 12:11 PM  

"stock valuations are 100% fake"

The stock market is based entirely on emotion.
This is why psychopaths rather than logical thinkers are the ones who make billions.

Blogger Lance E November 30, 2018 12:40 PM  

Warunicorn wrote:I find it hilarious that Google is pulling exactly what NPCs like themselves have accused Russia of doing---influencing elections. But that's OK because Orange Man Bad or something.

Why is this hilarious? Leftist hypocrisy is as routine and mundane as a rainy day in London.

What's it going to take for people on the right to quit deflecting with lame jokes and recognize that rules and principles are what winners get to enforce on the losers?

Blogger DonReynolds November 30, 2018 1:07 PM  

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Blogger DonReynolds November 30, 2018 1:09 PM  

At what point does this become a conspiracy against the public to commit fraud?

I notice great interest in the possibility that the Russians may have taken an interest in the 2016 election, while completely ignoring the vastly more important illegal votes cast by non-citizens. Without a doubt, there was much more vote manipulation by Mexico than there will ever be by the Russian oligarchs.

Somehow, this still enables this country to ignore the over-representation of Muslims (and Hindus) in the Silicon Valley Tech Giants and their personal (or collective) agenda to push back against anything they perceive as Islamophobia. This country has regular troops in the field in several Islamic countries actively fighting against an Islamic insurgency and terror and yet completely ignores the activities of Muslims within the USA. WE certainly need to be more discriminating.

Blogger Nate73 November 30, 2018 1:20 PM  

I've not used protonmail much but what features does it still need that gmail has?

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey November 30, 2018 1:47 PM  

Why not just run a search engine company? Why do you have to attempt to manipulate the order of society with it? Who in the hell do you think you are?

SJWs are amazing.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 30, 2018 1:49 PM  

@29 dc.sunsets
Most men (and nearly all women) are slaves.
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I heard the term recently "Free range slaves".

Blogger Unknown November 30, 2018 1:53 PM  

At least Microsoft are still just interested in profit above all else. They do not seem to be infected with SJW's so are much more trustworthy to me. Bing FTW.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 30, 2018 1:54 PM  

Isn't M$ pretty much fully infest with pajeets and chinese spies now ?

Blogger Sardaukar November 30, 2018 2:08 PM  

Welcome back dc.sunsets! You have been missed.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 30, 2018 2:15 PM  

@45 Like tame elephants bound by a light piece of rope, most people are slaves because they self-limit to just the actions their bindings allow.

We are a social animal (and some animals are more social than others.) This means that our genetically-programmed behavior set has a lot in common with herding animals. It's visible everywhere we allow ourselves to see.

Humans act. (h/t to Mises.) Why we act as we do is the great mystery, for few of us notice the strings on our arms moving them, or the chains that bind our minds. But bound we are...each and every one of us. Only Star Trek's fictional Mr. Spock was free of mind, for our emotions are wrapped up with our phobias, our egos, our biases and our very sense-of-self.

Our "System 1" cognition (see Kahneman, 2011) is all about the ancient cognitive systems of our ancestors. It's the system that animates the vast majority of our thinking, yet we delude ourselves in belief that our higher cognition, System 2, is what's in charge.

Au contraire. System 2 simply provides a convenient rationalization for actions already dictated by System 1, and the smarter the person, the better the rationalization. Many highly placed pundits owe their entire position to their ability to spin plausible rationalizations for idiocy.

We exist in a sea of rationalization for simply "what is." That so much of "what is" is utterly irrational, senseless and often self-destructive is normal. Humans have always existed this way, it is our nature.

It's hardly surprising that "science" largely serves as a tool for rationalization. I say this as someone with two science degrees and my share of lab bench time.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 30, 2018 2:20 PM  

@48, thanks but this is a deviation from my self-control program. VD is absolutely correct in the thread on "avoiding self-sabotage." Commenting for me is literally a weakness, a vice, an embarrassment.

I struggle to walk my own talk. My commenting is exactly parallel to an alcoholic going on a bender after a year of sobriety.

Blogger John November 30, 2018 2:31 PM  

Belatedly, protonmail has a their cyber monday deal still going on for a few hours for anyone interested in Proton Mail Plus and/or their VPN. You can still make an account for free.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 30, 2018 2:48 PM  

Google is an advertising agency
Advertising either works or it doesn't.
If it doesn't work, why are so many many billions spent on using it to influence decisions?

Blogger LSWCHP November 30, 2018 4:07 PM  

I use DuckDuckGo and Protonmail and recommend them to friends and colleagues. Spread the love.

Blogger Silly but True November 30, 2018 5:18 PM  

Electioneering. In-kind contributions to specific campaign?

Blogger Raker_T November 30, 2018 10:59 PM  

@35 Indeed. Your post reminds me of related contemplation. The recent death of HHS official Danial Best comes to mind. His death by multiple blunt force blows was ruled a suicide. There is the possibility that he jumped off a concrete building, and his head took the worst of it, repeatedly. Other than that, if 'they' were covering up a murder, why not say it was a robbery? I can only think they're sending a thinly veiled message. Similar to the Clinton death list. You may have heard the term "Japan Inc."? Well what about "Clinton Inc."? That is, maybe not all the poor souls on the list got the personal nod from Ms. C. "They" wanted to set the stage for an unrestrained dictator, so they terminated a few of her enemies themselves. I'm not sure people realize what a bullet we dodged. All the evidence against her before the election, and she wasn't prosecuted, how unrestrained would she have been had she won?

Blogger James Pyrich December 01, 2018 1:07 AM  

DDG has gotten better over time. I started using it as my search engine something over a year ago. At first, it wasn't very good when using it on the job (software developer), but it's definitely serviceable these days.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 01, 2018 3:10 PM  

@47

"Isn't M$ pretty much fully infest with pajeets and chinese spies now ? "

Yes... which is why M$ isn't even good at stealing other company's technology any more.

Blogger kurt9 December 01, 2018 4:45 PM  

Most of Google's "moonshot" projects are either shutdown (they sold Boston Dynamics to a Japanese company about three years ago) or have been set up as separate companies strictly quarantined from Google itself, as in the case of Waymo (the self-driving car company). Calico, the life extension company, is likely inactive.

I think Google will slowly decline. The co-founders will try to get as much of their money out of it as they can, and put it into other companies such as Waymo (if self-driving cars are feasible in the near-term). Facebook is probably in an even worse situation.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 01, 2018 7:57 PM  

"
I think Google will slowly decline. The co-founders will try to get as much of their money out of it as they can, and put it into other companies such as Waymo (if self-driving cars are feasible in the near-term)."

In perfectly controlled road conditions, where other vehicles NEVER do unexpected things (such as suffer from catastrophic tire blow-outs, etc.).

Self-driving cars is nothing more than Boomer's trying to maintain the illusion among themselves that they aren't becoming the elderly.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 02, 2018 11:20 AM  

@44

"Why not just run a search engine company? Why do you have to attempt to manipulate the order of society with it? Who in the hell do you think you are?"

Have you not heard the fundamental law of ALL leftist attitudes about EVERYTHING:

"The personal IS POLITICAL."

That's why leftist absolutely REFUSE to let anybody do anything without sticking leftists politics into it.

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