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Saturday, November 17, 2018

Yeats the Baptist

Greg Johnson writes of what he considers to be the hopeful message of Yeats's Second Coming:
And the poem seems to indicate a reversal of that flight, and a reversal of the birth of Christ. Could Mary, resting on the flight into Egypt, rocking Jesus cradled between the paws of a sphinx, have vexed the stony beast to nightmare? Could it have finally stirred from its troubled sleep, its womb heavy with the prophet of a new age, and begun the search for an appropriate place to give birth? “And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?” And what better place than Bethlehem, not to repeat but to reverse the birth of Christ and inaugurate a post-Christian age.

One can ask, however, if the poem ends on a note of horror or of hope. As I read it, there are three distinct stages to Yeats’ narrative. The first is the age when Christian values were the unchallenged core of Western civilization. This was a vital, flourishing civilization, but now it is over. The second stage is nihilism, both active and passive, occasioned by the loss of these core values. This is the present-day for Yeats and ourselves.

The third stage, which is yet to come, will follow the birth of the “rough beast.” Just as the birth of Jesus inaugurated Christian civilization, the rough beast will inaugurate a new pagan civilization. Its core values will be different than Christian values, which, of course, horrifies Christians, who hope to revive their religion. But the new pagan values, unlike Christian ones, will actually be believed, bringing the reign of nihilism to its end and creating a new, vital civilization. For pagans, this is a message of hope.
I think his interpretation of the three distinct stages is correct. Which is why it is really going to be fascinating to see what Greg makes of Jordanetics, which I understand he plans to review. Because, despite the best efforts of fools, false prophets, and philosophers, no Man has been able to coherently conceive, let alone construct, a viable post-Christian civilization.

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Blogger Resident Moron™ November 17, 2018 11:51 AM  

The pre-Christian ones didn’t go too well, either

Blogger John November 17, 2018 12:10 PM  

"But the new pagan values, unlike Christian ones, will actually be believed"

I am officially done feeling sorry for the LARPies. If they can't even be bothered to ask how and why the holy fires of Christendom annihilated their myriad of silly and mutually incompatible superstitions in the first place, they are fit for nothing more than Exterminatus 2.0.

Any delusion that there ever was (or could ever possibly be) one unholy catholic pagan religion to unite the white fake right is sad. Just sad. Paganism literally can never be anything more than fairy tales, and guess what— the 'gods of the hills' and the 'gods of the forest' and the 'gods of the coast' (and their respective tribes) don't tend to get along very well.

It's hard enough to unite people around the Truth. But it is absolutely impossible to unite people around Lies. There are, after all, an infinite number of different Lies to chose from. And only the actual idiots ever actually believe in superstitious Lies.

What they'll have, of course, is just State-mandated fake religion. How well did that work out for the Pharisees, the Romans, or the Moors? Strike the Church down, and she only rises up stronger.

Truly: Nihil Sub Sole Novum. Deus Vult.

Blogger Joseph Maroney November 17, 2018 12:22 PM  

They may do a lot of fighting, but the pagan religions are not very different from each other. They are all slivers of Babylon. The NWO global religion will be the same as the original Babylonian religion.

Blogger Viisaus November 17, 2018 12:23 PM  

"silly and mutually incompatible superstitions"

This deserves emphasizing. For just as there are competing Christian churches, the Vatican and the Baptists having radically different visions of the Church, so likewise there are many different forms of paganism, AND neo-paganism, that blatantly contradict each other.

You know what was the first great neo-pagan uprising? It was the Great French Revolution, that officially de-christianized France and drew much inspiration from Greco-Roman antiquity. (The most mad-dog anti-Christian Jacobins picked classical names like Anaxagoras Chaumette, Gracchus Babeuf and Anacharsis Clootz).

Face it, neo-heathens: the modern egalitarianism itself sprung from the French neo-pagan enterprise. The Enlightenment radicals were inspired by the cosmopolitan-universalistic worldview Late Antiquity, like the pagan Roman Law influenced by pagan Stoic philosophy (and also Epicurean pleasure-ethics).

To put it succinctly, Jacobin France was a left-wing interpretation of neopaganism, like Nazi Germany was right-wing interpretation of it. There we have two different forms of paganism fighting each other. And many more similar examples can be found. Odinists may want to fight, but Epicureans like to sleep away and then peacefully go to oblivion amidst the aimless utilitarian pleasures of Nietzsche's "Last Men". And so forth.

Blogger Salt November 17, 2018 12:24 PM  

First thought for stage 3 is Revelation.

Blogger Piroko November 17, 2018 12:25 PM  

"no Man has been able to coherently conceive, let alone construct, a viable post-Christian civilization"

.....

Bullshit.

Robert Heinlein did it. Y'all just refuse to accept it because it means accepting some really unflattering things about human nature that BF Skinner would nod approvingly at.

Y'all want a world where you can pretend being decent is somehow the natural tendency of rational beings, and not a learned behavior that must be instilled by suffering.

Blogger Viisaus November 17, 2018 12:27 PM  

Lord Acton wrote about the French revolutionaries basically sought to abolish those elements of Christian theocracy and feudal aristocracy that Christians and German invaders had brought to Gaul - undoing the legacy of both Constantine and Clovis:

http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/acton-the-history-of-freedom-and-other-essays#lf0030_footnote_nt326_ref

"All those things which constitute the peculiar character of the French Revolution,—the demand for equality, the hatred of nobility and feudalism, and of the Church which was connected with them, the constant reference to pagan examples, the suppression of monarchy, the new code of law, the breach with tradition, and the substitution of an ideal system for everything that had proceeded from the mixture and mutual action of the races,— all these exhibit the common type of a reaction against the effects of the Frankish invasion."

Blogger Dave November 17, 2018 12:34 PM  

fascinating to see what Greg makes of Jordanetics

Any chance of a Look Inside on Amazon before Monday or is that only possible upon the book's release?

Blogger pyrrhus November 17, 2018 12:35 PM  

@6 Yes, Heinlein constructed a post-Christian civilization in his novels, which included endorsements of mass immigration, homosexuality and child sex, and was adopted by much of the West...That "civilization" is disintegrating before our very eyes, despite being only in its infancy.

Blogger Crush Limbraw November 17, 2018 12:39 PM  

A fascinating read and juxtaposes a long read posted yesterday on Lew Rockwell - https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/11/murray-n-rothbard/world-war-i-as-fulfillment-power-and-the-intellectuals/ - Murray Rothbard's essay on WWI launching the Progressive era.
My own take is that Old Scratch coopted the American church over 100 years ago to foist his deceptive evils upon an already corrupted populace infected by a gospel of insane works - all in the name of Christ.
Now that the culture of paganism has been established, they parade their sins openly.
It's the same danged crowd, just different outerwear!

Blogger VD November 17, 2018 12:41 PM  

Robert Heinlein did it.

You're a moron.

Y'all want a world where you can pretend being decent is somehow the natural tendency of rational beings, and not a learned behavior that must be instilled by suffering.

You're an ignorant moron. You clearly don't understand what is literally the very first thing necessary to understand Christianity.

Blogger VD November 17, 2018 12:46 PM  

Any chance of a Look Inside on Amazon before Monday or is that only possible upon the book's release?

No, the latter.

Blogger Ingot9455 November 17, 2018 12:54 PM  

Robert Heinlein's post Christian civilization isn't even viable for Robert Heinleins.

Blogger DJT November 17, 2018 12:55 PM  

For pagans, this is a message of hope.

No attempt to restore European civilization without Christ as its cornerstone will fail utterly. In fact, He may revel in its destruction as He destroyed faithless Israel.

Your land is desolate, your cities destroyed by fire; strangers devour your country before your eyes, and it has become a wasteland, overthrown by foreigners. ... Wash and be clean; remove your sins from your souls; stop doing evil in my sight. (From Isaiah 1)

What troubles me most about the current state of the Alt-Right is that so many of the movement's most prominent (perceived) leaders—Spencer, basically the whole TRS crew, etc—are either outright atheists, bizarro agnostics, or neo-pagan LARPers.

You had better start worshiping that "dead Jew on a stick," before the Muslims deposit your head on one.

Blogger Shane Sullivan November 17, 2018 12:58 PM  

With all do respect to Mr. Johnson, it's hard not to get the impression that when he utters the word "Pagan", what he really means is homosexual.

Blogger pyrrhus November 17, 2018 1:06 PM  

Witchcraft fastest growing religion in America....http://takimag.com/article/witchcraft-the-selfie-of-the-soul/#axzz5X8WOORCe

Blogger Starboard November 17, 2018 1:08 PM  

Even Heinlein's closest approach to a functional society (Starship Troopers) assumed that those who served the state to earn their franchise would hold to the founding principles of the soldiers who built it. Generals are politcal creatures. Heinlein's plan makes politicians of privates.

As for the rest of his post Christian societies, they all end in tyranny by the state and an escape by the libertine/individualist protagonist party of each book whether that be to new worlds, demensions, or plains of the afterlife. Not functional without an infinite frontier.

9. Pyrrus, don't forget adult incest. Very important for the immortals to be able to sleep with their parents. Blech. Without Christianity, people will fall for anything.

Blogger will November 17, 2018 1:08 PM  

Yeats saw human history as defined by 2000 years cycles. The primary (thetical) cycle culminating in Classical Greece and Rome was spiritual and the secondary (antithetical), currently ending Christian cycle as materialist. Presumably, using this logic, the third cycle will be synthetic, blending the two. That may be what Greg refers to. I have no opinion on this. I do like Yeats though.

Blogger Avalanche November 17, 2018 1:09 PM  

@15 to Mr. Johnson ... when he utters the word "Pagan", what he really means is homosexual.

Well, THAT'S not hard to suss out....

Blogger cheddarman November 17, 2018 1:09 PM  

..ffs people they just to do more hand waving

Blogger Viisaus November 17, 2018 1:09 PM  

I think FREEMASONRY was one of the most successful or functional "neo-pagan" organization ever to have existed. It paid some lip service to Biblical ideas, but deep down held the heathen notion that Jesus just another venerable teacher among others, or perhaps even a prophet of bodhisattva - any Muslim or Buddhist could agree with that idea.

Behold the sheer syncretism, the true God supposedly having many different names:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaotu#Freemasonry

"Now imagine me standing in lodge with my head bowed in prayer between Brother Mohammed Bokhary and Brother Arjun Melwani. To neither of them is the Great Architect of the Universe perceived as the Holy Trinity. To Brother Bokhary He has been revealed as Allah; to Brother Melwani He is probably perceived as Vishnu. Since I believe that there is only one God, I am confronted with three possibilities:

They are praying to the devil whilst I am praying to God;
They are praying to nothing, as their Gods do not exist;
They are praying to the same God as I, yet their understanding of His nature is partly incomplete (as indeed is mine — 1 Cor 13:12)

It is without hesitation that I accept the third possibility.."

— Christopher Haffner, Workman Unashamed: The Testimony of a Christian Freemason, Lewis Masonic, 1989, p.39

Blogger steb November 17, 2018 1:11 PM  

He wrote 1646 words on the symbolic meaning of Egypt and somehow not one of them was 'slavery.'

'I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.' - Exodus 20:2

Yeat's point is that, rather than some new pagan civilisation, or the hoped for re-institution of Christianity, what is slouching toward Bethlehem to be born is something ancient. The rebirth of Egypt means a return to the house of bondage. The slavery out of which God lead the Israelites.

Communist loyalty and Capitalist debt are returning us to the state of the Israelites under captivity in Egypt, which is the natural state of mankind, and out of which Christ lead us.

'And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.' - John 8:32

Because, without hope in the Cross, the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity - ie, the people who want to do what's right can't see any solid basis for it, while the ones who want to do what's wrong can't see anything to prevent them. The rule of might makes right is the only possible new value which can survive the death of God.

Blogger Scott C November 17, 2018 1:12 PM  

Neo-paganism is a propositional religion.

Blogger Joseph Maroney November 17, 2018 1:15 PM  

"(The most mad-dog anti-Christian Jacobins picked classical names like Anaxagoras Chaumette, Gracchus Babeuf and Anacharsis Clootz)."

This is exactly what the original Bavarian Illuminati did. The following list is comprised from Proofs of a Conspiracy: Against all the Religions and Governments of Europe, Carried on in the Secret Meetings of Freemasons, Illuminati and Reading Societies by John Robison, 1798

https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/illumnas.htm

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey November 17, 2018 1:33 PM  

@15
Yeah, Johnson is a bright guy, but teh ghey definitely corrupts his thinking at times.

Blogger John Best November 17, 2018 1:48 PM  

It is interesting how Paganism went through the same process, now these people want to bring it back. Why shouldn't the same happen with Christianity.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 2:12 PM  

@15

"With all do respect to Mr. Johnson, it's hard not to get the impression that when he utters the word "Pagan", what he really means is homosexual."

Have you seen a pagan religion (modern or ancient) which didn't endorse homosexuality?

Blogger wave spender November 17, 2018 2:18 PM  

Repent all you heathens, the waves of the Revelation are splashing at your doors. In this country building a wall will not stop the building of a tower. Babel will crushed again, and the god of this world will be destroyed. Can't wait for the only movie worth watching to play out. Popcorn ready.

Blogger Tinidril November 17, 2018 2:19 PM  

The opening lines of this poem instantly called to my mind Nietzsche's God is Dead passage that expresses in longing despair, what we have done? In killing God we have untethered earth from the sun and are now floating off into space unmoored (just like the falcon). It was always hubris to assume mankind could just "will" into existence some new kind of morality or human-based ideal without an external objective higher power involved.That was always Nietzsche's fatal error. No, If a new age is going to begin it will have to happen through revelation of some kind (a new prophet or miracle to usher in that "Science is Dead") Something that can't be comprehended through reason but resurrects wonder and mystery and true belief in God. People need to truly BELIEVE in order for nihilism to die and a new era to begin.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer November 17, 2018 2:21 PM  

Have you seen a pagan religion (modern or ancient) which didn't endorse homosexuality?

They all seem to require it.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora November 17, 2018 2:24 PM  

I've seen some Buddhists and Jainists speak against homosexuality though I'm not sure they count as pagan in quite the way people are using it here.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 17, 2018 2:45 PM  

But the new pagan values, unlike Christian ones, will actually be believed, bringing the reign of nihilism to its end and creating a new, vital civilization. For pagans, this is a message of hope.

This is amusing, because the one thing modern pagans manifestly to not do, have never done since the Renaissance, is actually believe Paganism. Many believe in Paganism, but none actually believe that there's a person-God named Odin who will get pissed at them if they lie, or a God-Person named Freia who takes it personally when the chieftain engages in incest, and will cause the corn crop to fail. The best I've seen is those who can manage to believe in a sort of abstracted ideal which corresponds to Odin, the contravention of which makes them a worse and less happy person.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 17, 2018 3:00 PM  

Tinidril wrote:That was always Nietzsche's fatal error.
Nietzsche's fatal error was listening to his mother and rejecting his father.

Blogger widlast washere November 17, 2018 3:23 PM  

" For pagans, this is a message of hope."

Living and believing a lie never works out well.
God and reality eventually give them a good smack upside the head.

Blogger Joseph Maroney November 17, 2018 3:49 PM  

"They all seem to require it."

All being Satanic at their root, whether they want to believe it or not, the more of God's commandments they break, the more effective it is considered to be.

Blogger Dad29 November 17, 2018 3:53 PM  

The Rough Beast is necessary for Armageddon.

Blogger seeingsights November 17, 2018 4:14 PM  

There is something to his interpretation of the poem.
W.B. Yeats was a member of an occult group called The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. Aleister Crowley was a member. Crowley called himself "The Beast" --a word that is used in the interpretation of the poem-- and held that we are in a new age, I think he called it The Aeon of Horus. The third age described in the interpretation says Luke something that occultist would like to happen.

Blogger seeingsights November 17, 2018 4:17 PM  

This darn spell checker. I meant two write ...the third age described in the interpretation is something that occultists would like to happen.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer November 17, 2018 4:29 PM  

It wasn't pagans that kept the Muslims from over-running Europe for 1400 years, and its non-Christians that are inviting them in now.

Blogger widlast washere November 17, 2018 4:39 PM  

Christianity isn't going anywhere, it is the truth. The truth will prevail regardless of the weaknesses or idiocy of men. Deus vult.

Blogger Dirtnapninja November 17, 2018 4:52 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:

This is amusing, because the one thing modern pagans manifestly to not do, have never done since the Renaissance, is actually believe Paganism. Many believe in Paganism, but none actually believe that there's a person-God named Odin who will get pissed at them if they lie, or a God-Person named Freia who takes it personally when the chieftain engages in incest, and will cause the corn crop to fail. The best I've seen is those who can manage to believe in a sort of abstracted ideal which corresponds to Odin, the contravention of which makes them a worse and less happy perso


He's not talking about the viking larpers and other such folks. He's saying that the rough beast will be a new religion which will take the place of Christianity. It wont be christian. This religion will have values which will be sincerely believed forming the moral framework for the next phase of civilisation and this end the reign of nihilism.

Blogger tublecane November 17, 2018 5:17 PM  

"will actually be believed, bringing the reign of nihilism to its end"

Nihilism is one of our problems, not *the* problem. Because, to paraphrase Chesterton, our Godless leaders believe not in nothing but in anything.

I don't know why Johnson or Yeats for that matter (if this interpretation is correct) would assume what follows will truly be believed in. How long did it take the barbarians of Europe to truly embrace Christianity? I have no idea. But it was the Dark Ages in the meantime.

Starting a new civilization is one of the most difficult things possible. Founding a new religion his hard enough. Having it inspire a rising civilization must be like winning the lottery with the longest odds in history.

This is magical thinking, and self-denying. Because except for blood, nothing of us would pass into this pagan paradise. We'd be like Greece or Rome to them at best.

Blogger tublecane November 17, 2018 5:24 PM  

Remember when they were asking all the candidates in '16 whether they'd kill baby Hitler? Perhaps we should decide whether or not to strangle this "rough beast" in its crib.

Blogger tublecane November 17, 2018 5:27 PM  

@6- Right, because where can one even find suffering hinted at in Christianity?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 17, 2018 5:27 PM  

@John,
Haxo is a pathetic banned omega who insists on commenting here. I suppose it's a better thing than shooting up a sorority. Don't reply to him or you're like to get caught in the spam filter when your comment gets deleted too.

Don't touch the poop.

Blogger Lurker November 17, 2018 5:29 PM  

This "Rough Beast" sounds like AI. There are a lot of idiots out there who believe in it and that it will solve the world's problems. *rolls eyes*

Blogger VD November 17, 2018 5:50 PM  

He's saying that the rough beast will be a new religion which will take the place of Christianity. It wont be christian. This religion will have values which will be sincerely believed forming the moral framework for the next phase of civilisation and this end the reign of nihilism.

Enter Jordanetics.

Blogger John November 17, 2018 6:00 PM  

@45 Sorry. Thanks for the FYI, honest mistake.

Blogger Gettimothy November 17, 2018 6:11 PM  

Reverse the author's assumptions on what is dying and what is being reborn and the poem works nearly as well.

To degenerate eyes Christ is a rough beast, the cennter of the nwo/lwo is disintegrating. The Christian is convicted, full of intensity, while 'Hello fellow Chinamen!' is the next sinking lifeboat to clamber aboard.




Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 17, 2018 6:51 PM  

The question of what comes after Christianity is a question of "what comes after the truth?"

Well, obviously the answer is either more of the same truth, or nothing at all.

"Yeah, Johnson is a bright guy, but teh ghey definitely corrupts his thinking at times."

What did pagans do with gays again? Oh right they drowned them in peat bogs or burned them in wicker men.

Blogger Katusov November 17, 2018 6:59 PM  

"Could Mary, resting on the flight into Egypt, rocking Jesus cradled between the paws of a sphinx..."
Greg Johnson must have seen this painting,done by a French artist named Merson. It is at the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston.
https://www.mfa.org/collections/object/rest-on-the-flight-into-egypt-31734

Blogger Meng Greenleaf November 17, 2018 7:03 PM  

A new religion? Perhaps the Singularity? Feminism/Communism or other forms of State-worship?

Blogger weka November 17, 2018 7:26 PM  

This. Amen. The reformed will stand with the papist, purge Brussels and Times. Deus Vult. Quinque Sola.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira November 17, 2018 7:28 PM  

These gay atheist dudes keep trying to invent a new fake god or religion where their bum sex stuff isn't a sin. It will never work, but it's funny to watch.

Blogger weka November 17, 2018 7:31 PM  

Heinlein new it would not work, so founded Terrius. See time ecough for love. Besides, he was not that good a writer. Vox is better. Williamson is better. Ringo is better. Wright is better. Bujokd is better ... S.M.Stiling and Weber are better. Gibson, Stephenson and Stross are better.

He is idolized by the unoriginal, like Scalzi.

Blogger Gen. Kong November 17, 2018 7:58 PM  

What they'll have, of course, is just State-mandated fake religion.

Paganism is a dead end. Johnson's argument falls apart as every neo-pagan has without exception. At present, the state-mandated fake-religion in the west is really a type of paganism which refers to itself as Christianity both in Europe and in Murika. It's all just Satanism wearing another skin at the end of the day. It doesn't really matter if the particular object of worship is the Judeo-Cucking-Christ idol or the Golden Dindu one. These (though I don't think Judeo-Christ has many worshippers in Europe) will be soon be replaced by Islam in the territory of the EUSSR as the invasion force continues to be imported under the new UN migration treaty. Frau Merkel's shiny new EUSSR army needs troops and the imports are clearly there to fill the ranks once the Banana Empire implodes and its own moronic legions drift back home or stay on for a new job to kill off the natives. The actual remnant of the Church will likely be baptized in a ferocious crucible, but the dross will be surely refined out of it at the end.

Blogger Gen. Kong November 17, 2018 8:11 PM  

The Merson painting dates from 1879 so this is what Yeats (and Johnson) was likely referencing, though there are a fair number of paintings on the subject going back to the 1500s if not before. Merson's is the only one where a sphinx is featured at first glance. Ancient Egyptian sculpture wasn't widely known until after Napoleon's failed campaign in Egypt at the end of the 18th century.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 17, 2018 8:32 PM  

@50

"What did pagans do with gays again? Oh right they drowned them in peat bogs or burned them in wicker men."

Historically, that sort of response to homosexuality by pagans is rather rare. Check out what the ancient Romans, ancient Greeks, and the various tribes and nations in the mid-east were doing before the Hebrews escaped from Egypt and went around eradicating entire tribes. Homosexuality and child-sacrifice go hand in hand.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 17, 2018 8:41 PM  

"Historically, that sort of response to homosexuality by pagans is rather rare."

True, but it seems rarer still in modern society, which is likely a serious indicator of jut how close we are to hellfire.

Blogger Unknown November 17, 2018 10:08 PM  

This is Grindr Greg, of "homophobia is Jewish" fame? He'd sooner have a gay bathhouse than fight globalism.

Blogger Nate73 November 17, 2018 11:34 PM  

So based on that Owen Benjamin video about Jordan Peterson being "Tranny Satan", does this mean Jordan Peterson is the False Prophet from the last book of the Bible?

Blogger Deus Vult November 18, 2018 12:14 AM  

I was initially skeptical of nationalism because all of the “leaders” seemed so anti-Christian or simply gay like our friend here. However, once I head the arguments for true nationalism, they really can’t be refuted. Still am hoping the nationalism can break into Christianity more.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 12:26 AM  

@61

"So based on that Owen Benjamin video about Jordan Peterson being "Tranny Satan", does this mean Jordan Peterson is the False Prophet from the last book of the Bible?"

We'll know when someone survives what is clearly a lethal had wound.

So far, nobody has put a bullet through, or an axe deeply into JBP's brain.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 12:28 AM  

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Blogger Dirk Manly November 18, 2018 12:29 AM  

@63

"Still am hoping the nationalism can break into Christianity more."

When in church, remind those around you that (as Vox has pointed out her several times) GOD created both the nations (in response to the Tower of Babel), and the myriad of languages, and anyone trying to undo that is fervently seeking eternity with Satan.

Blogger John November 18, 2018 7:57 AM  

@62 Still am hoping the nationalism can break into Christianity more.

It will. Christian CivNats (conservatives) have done their darnedest to socially-engineer national loyalty out of their children. Kind of like trying to socially-engineer girls to be boys and boys to be neuteroids.

National is not a sin. Nationalism is natural. And nationalism is true.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown November 18, 2018 10:17 AM  

FWIW, I've never heard any prominent figure on the Alt-Right make a coherent critique of actual Christianity, only Churchianity in its recent, corrupted form. If we can get our own house (of God) in order, the vast majority of these guys will fall in line.

Blogger LIONMAN184 November 18, 2018 12:13 PM  

Remember folks Greg is a sodomite. No serious rightist should be following the intellectual lead of a gay atheist.

Blogger Crush Limbraw November 18, 2018 6:18 PM  

Did anyone notice this paragraph which defines the Conservative conundrum - "This characterization of active and passive nihilism captures the struggle between conservatives and the Left. Conservatives are the “best” who lack all conviction. They are the best, because they are attached to the core values of the West. They lack all conviction, because they no longer believe in them. Thus they lose every time when faced by the passionate intensity of the Left, who experience nihilism as invigorating."

Blogger wreckage November 19, 2018 1:45 AM  

"But the new pagan values, unlike Christian ones, will actually be believed..."

Weak Christianity was displaced by nihilism, which is far stronger and more vital, but then strong, vital nihilism is going to be displaced by Paganism... the belief system that weak Christianity had no trouble completely and universally replacing across the absolute entirety of its range?

I'm not sure that makes any sense.

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