ALL BLOG POSTS AND COMMENTS COPYRIGHT (C) 2003-2018 VOX DAY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. REPRODUCTION WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.

Friday, December 21, 2018

The First Rule of Trump

Always, always, ALWAYS wait two days before reacting to anything he says, or anything he is supposed to have said. I was always suspicious of the reports that Trump was afraid to let the government shut down over the wall funding.
The prospect of an embarrassing Christmastime shutdown of the US government loomed Friday as President Donald Trump and congressional Democrats remained far apart on a stopgap funding bill held up by discord over money for a border wall.

An air of chaos hung over Washington as a midnight deadline approached for lawmakers and the president to find a way to do a very basic task: keep the government up and running.

If they do not, key agencies will close and many workers will be furloughed right before Christmas without a paycheck.

The sense of turmoil was compounded by a falling stock market and Trump's abrupt decision to disregard advisers and allies and pull out of Syria and sharply reduce the US troop presence in Afghanistan.

Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, seen as a moderating force for an impulsive president, resigned in protest over the Syria decision and Trump's approach to international alliances that are at the heart of US foreign policy.

On government funding, Trump reversed course on Thursday and rejected a measure that unanimously passed the Senate and was under consideration in the House.

He appeared to harden his demand for $5 billion in funding for the wall on the US-Mexico border, a pet project he has fought for since he began campaigning for president in 2015.
Remember, Trump is surrounded by the very worst sort of people who will not only take your silence for assent, but will twist and pervert literally every sound that comes out of your mouth without hesitation. All of the weasel words that surrounded the media narrative about Trump's preemptive cucking on the budget should have been your first sign: "the Trump administration has signaled" and so forth.

All that means is that some subordinates in the administration are trying to influence Trump to go with the flow. It doesn't mean a damn thing with regards to the President's policy or what his actual decision will be. And given that "Mad Poodle" Mattis actually resigned in a hissy fit over Trump's decision to stop fighting an unwinnable perma-war in the Middle East that is of no benefit whatsoever to Americans - that's what the neocon hysteria is really about -  it's clear that the President has been under incredible lobbying pressure from Congress, from his advisers, and from the financial industry.

You don't think it's an accident that the stock market is being crashed now, do you? This is all designed to put pressure on the God-Emperor to surrender to the World Democratic Revolutionaries and the Democrats.

Labels: , ,

161 Comments:

Blogger Lovekraft December 21, 2018 6:02 AM  

Withdrawal is the first step. Complete disengagement, from Turkey all the way down to South Africa, and laws to prevent further intrusion by that region of insanity in our nations are on my wishlist. There are no other options.

Blogger wreckage December 21, 2018 6:06 AM  

If Trump really is trying to push money from the financial sector of Wall Street back to production and Main Street, we might begin to see an increasing disconnect between stock prices and employment/ employment advertising.

Thoughts:

1. I have no idea how to estimate this nor the magnitude to expect, but it would indicate that not only is it possible to seize the economy back from the finance/insurance/government trinity, but that it was occurring;

2. It would have to approach a textbook case of Antifragility.

3. Could increasing investment in production reduce the demand for shares and derivatives to "park" capital in? Could an easing of stock prices actually be part and parcel of an economic transition?

Blogger The Cooler December 21, 2018 6:07 AM  

Trump's constitution truly is something to behold. Him I do not doubt, only the survivability of the forces arrayed against him.

From here on out what will be tested even more than Trump is the constitution of the everyday man. Remember, then remember again: it is the status quo that is the problem.

We must regress to progress and shit's gonna get broken along away. But only that which must needs broken.

Blogger John Best December 21, 2018 6:09 AM  

My reaction when I saw the globalist reports of the God-Emperors surrender was, we will see what happens. Build the wall!

Blogger Dirk Manly December 21, 2018 6:14 AM  

Whenever Trump meets with the Democratic Party's leadership about something, the initial story is always the exact opposite of what Trump campaigned on.

Then, for 2 or 3 days, the voting public goes absolutely nuts that he's blatantly doing a 180 on a campaign promise.

Then he delivers.

The beautiful part is, every time, he reveals to the public more and more, exactly who the enemies of the people really are.

Blogger BA 117 December 21, 2018 6:17 AM  

Every time you hear something like that just remember it comes from the fake news media... All they do is lie, and to think they would report (or even know) the truth about what goes on in the White house is just ridiculous. This proves it again... Build the Wall!

Blogger ash December 21, 2018 6:19 AM  

We'll see. Trump has betrayed us before, with the omnibus bill. And Trump has also unfollowed Ann Coulter, which was on eof his last remaining connection to the real conservative base.

I hope he pulls through, but it will shock if he doesn't cave. I lost faith in the God-Emperor long ago. I pray that my faith be restored, though.

Blogger SemiSpook37 December 21, 2018 6:21 AM  

As I expected. Knew the $ going south rumor was a non-starter. The confirmation to Limbaugh direct and from Ryan was pure gold.

Wonder if Cocaine Mitch (thanks Schlichter) will just say “fuck it” and extend the nuclear option to the budget requirement? It was a winner when he did it to seat Gorsuch...

Blogger Miguel December 21, 2018 6:22 AM  

"He appeared to harden his demand for $5 billion in funding for the wall on the US-Mexico border, a pet project he has"

Yeah, you know about those "pet projects" in which you use your own money to build your own defense, and stop invaders.

Blogger Felix Bellator December 21, 2018 6:27 AM  

Boo, hoo, so they get furloughed? That just time off, with pay, and they get to keep their leave time.

Easing of stock prices? The prices for all the speculation in price-based "investment" should collapse and put the money back into value-based stock that likely will not drop in price but rise.

I do not know how many value producers well survive the coming collapse. But I do know all the stock in weird shit, over-blown companies like Google, Facebook, and Twitter will not be with the electrons that were inconvenienced in typing this message.

Blogger Felix Bellator December 21, 2018 6:34 AM  

You consider Ann Coulter a link to the conservative base? The woman who was pushing Chris Christie for President? The more she goes on the more I suspect she is in the same category as Ben Shapiro, controlled opposition.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams December 21, 2018 6:35 AM  

Oh sure, now the main stream media cares about Christmas since government employees might get furloughed around December 25th.

Shut it down until the wall is funded. Drain the swamp.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 21, 2018 6:43 AM  

I just thought he was tired of listening to a crazy woman.

I was incredibly skeptical of all the reports surrounding this; that he was giving up, changing his mind, giving money away to Mexico, etc. All get like chaff and countermeasures to get people confused and demoralized.

To quote roughly a CTH commenter, in the space of two days, he got Pelosi eating crow BIGLY, Cuckryan to actually go back and put the money in and pass it through the house, Syria done, Afghanistan on the way to being done, Mattis out, and all of a sudden now the government shutdown hanging around Schumer's neck again!

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 21, 2018 7:01 AM  

Thanks for identifying this feature (the 48 hour rule) of the Trump administration. You did this some time ago and when reports claimed that he backed down on the wall, I remembered the 48 hour rule. I was as demoralized as anyone else but I told myself that nothing will be conclusive until Friday afternoon.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 7:04 AM  

@3 The Cooler:

Trump's constitution truly is something to behold. Him I do not doubt, only the survivability of the forces arrayed against him.

From here on out what will be tested even more than Trump is the constitution of the everyday man....


The constitution of the everyday man is more gun control?

Trump has lost a great deal of political capital with guns owners as we've realized he was lying through his teeth during the election, and was and still remains a gun grabber. That alone is enough to cost him the 2020 election if it's close, which we of course can't predict today.

I will admit to be very heartned by his withdrawal from Syria, which is clearly real because of Mattis' resignation which the latter stated was due to that and we're suspecting an upcoming withdraw from Afghanistan. Trump has tried out hiring generals for jobs, and appears to have decided they aren't up to the task, at least that of carrying out his will.

We'll see if he actually gets his Wall money, and the Deep State lets him build it. With enough of it built, and a reversal of the return of Obama level illegal immigration, he stands a fighting chance in 2020 despite the above gun betrayals, the jailbreak bill, sending even more money to Mexico and Central America than is being spent on the wall in FY2019, failure to drain the Swamp, etc. Otherwise it's "Read my lips, no new walls", and those of us still in the US will be living in even more interesting times.

Blogger Stilicho December 21, 2018 7:07 AM  

It'll be interesting. Since 1996, the democrats have considered "shutdowns" to be their territory because that one time they were able to sell it as mean republicans wanting to steal grandma's social security. Republicans have caved on every shutdown since-even when winning and even though perceptions have changed- because democrats call them bad names.

Trump has shown far more resilience to playground name-calling than his predecessors, so one hopes it continues and he sees this through to a victory on the wall.

p.s. The only damned reason to be in Syria was to get rid of ISIS-the terrorist group created and armed by McCain, Hillary, and Obama with help from the former Saudi regime and Israel. The Alawites are not good people, but the are not as bad as the neocon's preferred alternative.

Blogger John Doe03526 December 21, 2018 7:07 AM  

Rush Limbaugh of all people mentioned this earlier in the week. It's a negotiating stratagem. He starts out conciliatory, then hardens right at the brink.

Blogger The Cooler December 21, 2018 7:08 AM  

Nancy does not have to apologize

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1075954128222871552

Is he not humble? Yes.

Blogger Silent Draco December 21, 2018 7:10 AM  

If it's bottled up in the Senate, then the rhetorical gold blames it personally and repeatedly on Chuck Scrooger and Bad Granny Nanny.

'Senior administration officials' should wonder when the GE identifies them by name and pink slip.

Blogger staff December 21, 2018 7:12 AM  

I sometimes imagine what would be going on if the President had loyal troops as his assistants in the White House. It is a damn shame that the swamp is so broad that he can't find loyal men and women to help run the country.

Damn shame.


~ Mark who is NOT Google staff

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 21, 2018 7:21 AM  

So the swamp clowns want to have war with everyone without the responsibility for voting for war do not want to spend billions to strengthen border security, some damn good optics there.

Blogger Richard Holmes December 21, 2018 7:23 AM  

This is all designed to put pressure on the God-Emperor to surrender to the World Democratic Revolutionaries and the Democrats. - VD

Is there any way to get rid of these people? Are they going to force us into fighting a civil war?

We'll see. Trump has betrayed us before, with the omnibus bill. And Trump has also unfollowed Ann Coulter, which was on eof his last remaining connection to the real conservative base.

I hope he pulls through, but it will shock if he doesn't cave. I lost faith in the God-Emperor long ago. I pray that my faith be restored, though. ash


This message proves 100% that you have no clue as to who Donald Trump is. And why on earth would you put faith into a fallible man or woman? Are you lost?

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 21, 2018 7:25 AM  

Trump just Tweeted this about 25 minutes ago:

1st - The Democrats are trying to belittle the concept of a Wall, calling it old fashioned. The fact is there is nothing else’s that will work, and that has been true for thousands of years. It’s like the wheel, there is nothing better. I know tech better than anyone, & technology.....

2nd - .....on a Border is only effective in conjunction with a Wall. Properly designed and built Walls work, and the Democrats are lying when they say they don’t. In Israel the Wall is 99.9% successful. Will not be any different on our Southern Border! Hundreds of $Billions saved!

Blogger Lazarus December 21, 2018 7:28 AM  

The Cooler wrote:Nancy does not have to apologize

Is he not humble? Yes.


Pelosi is Trump's favorite chew-toy

Blogger The Cooler December 21, 2018 7:37 AM  

@15

You are niggling.

No one who voted for Trump is not going to vote for him again when faced with whatever alternative is served-up by the Left.

You need a bump stock? I'll make you a bump stock.

Blogger Blaidd December 21, 2018 7:39 AM  

The implication that that pesky thing called border security is just a "pet project" that the President is pushing with no support is pretty bold even for the lying press.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 21, 2018 7:40 AM  

"Conservatives" the Muh Principles cargo cult.

I hope that one of the Muh Principles tru cons in DC introduces a declaration of war against Assad instead of hiding behind the fig leaf of a piece of stupidity from 2001.

I double dog dare them.

Blogger Damaris Tighe December 21, 2018 7:43 AM  

"disregard advisers and allies and pull out of Syria"

"Allies" eh.

Blogger Garuna December 21, 2018 7:44 AM  

I hope Trump succeeds. The Syria decision is very encouraging. If he can follow it up with the Wall, I think his odds of re-election will once again be better than 50-50.

Blogger Nate December 21, 2018 7:59 AM  

Given that all the reporting everywhere is all screaming "MATTIS QUIT OVER SYRIA AND ONLY SYRIA!" I will go on assuming that the one thing that is not 100% true... is the claim that mattis resigned over Syria and only Syria.

Blogger cmbaileytstc December 21, 2018 8:06 AM  

I was coming close to wondering if Trump was still fighting. I should have known better.

Blogger Duh-ave December 21, 2018 8:07 AM  

The government is like a loaded semi-truck stuck in a deep muddy ditch. The load must be shifted before it can be pulled back on the road.
I don't understand what Trump is doing but I'm betting that he does. I do know that he is the only man with a chance to get this job done. If you insist on total perfection you will be waiting for quite a while.

Blogger Sam December 21, 2018 8:12 AM  

@22
Leftism is a set of lies to coordinate stealing and smashing other peoples stuff. You cannot argue a thief out of crime; only force will stop them. The left wing death spiral will continue until you burn them alive for heresy and violating the 10th commandment.

Blogger pyrrhus December 21, 2018 8:16 AM  

The wall was funded by the House yesterday, so the issue is the Senate..Mitch had better deliver.

Blogger pyrrhus December 21, 2018 8:18 AM  

And what "allies" are these?Syria is mainly about Israel trying to seize the northern part of the country, and the Saudis building a pipeline...The US is just the dumb help..

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 21, 2018 8:26 AM  

It might be fun to collect all the knee-jerk "Trump betray us!" predictions each week and then run them back the next week when they look stupid.

The wall was funded by the House yesterday,

Did anyone two years ago think that a House with a slim Republican majority on the way out would ever pass Wall funding? I sure didn't. Hell, I'm not sure how he got them to do it now.

Blogger Duh-ave December 21, 2018 8:35 AM  

If Trump fails we will be ripe for Yellow Vest with guns. Patriots are already ignoring, at personal risk, the extreme gun and mag bans. The Anti's are already rioting while police look at their own feet instead of acting. The courts are railroads and kangaroos.
Get behind Trump and help unless you KNOW someone who can do better.

Blogger VD December 21, 2018 8:38 AM  

Given that all the reporting everywhere is all screaming "MATTIS QUIT OVER SYRIA AND ONLY SYRIA!" I will go on assuming that the one thing that is not 100% true... is the claim that mattis resigned over Syria and only Syria.

Agreed. I think Trump is pulling out altogether. And I doubt Mattis supports that.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( Maps are only Meaningful insofar as they correspond to Reality ) December 21, 2018 8:41 AM  

5. Dirk Manly December 21, 2018 6:14 AM
Whenever Trump meets with the Democratic Party's leadership about something,



did you notice the optics when OMB and the veep met with Chuck U and Nancy?

TinyHands and Pence had powerful, high back chairs. ChuckU was off stage right leaned back in a cushy sectional piece. Nancy was perched stage left on a ridiculous backless footstool ... as if she were a 5 year old.

and then Nancy picked a fight with Trump that was SO stupid that she actually had ChuckU trying to mansplain to her that her point was dumb.

11. Felix Bellator December 21, 2018 6:34 AM
You consider Ann Coulter a link to the conservative base? The woman who was pushing Chris Christie for President?


"She has dated Spin founder and publisher Bob Guccione, Jr.,[46] and conservative writer Dinesh D'Souza.[175] In October 2007, she began dating Andrew Stein"

you've got the son of the publisher of Penthouse, mudsharking and then a lieberal NYC Jew.

whatever she publishes or however true she may be to "Conservatism", her dating history demonstrates that she doesn't take her Catholic "Christianity" very seriously.


12. Heian-kyo Dreams December 21, 2018 6:35 AM
Oh sure, now the main stream media cares about Christmas since government employees might get furloughed around December 25th.


don't forget the ((( Weekly Standard ))) employees.

funny how nobody talks about the GM Christmas layoffs, but Jews and government employees?

oy vey, it's annudder Holocaust!

Blogger dc.sunsets December 21, 2018 8:45 AM  

Since my view is that the price of stocks (and of bonds, real estate and beanie babies) is always a function of mass psychology and not in any meaningful sense, manipulation, I reach a different conclusion WRT the relationship between recent market moves and "the news."

Trump appears to be smart enough to know that historically, whoever is in charge when social mood turns down (which drives both market prices and social events) typically gets blamed. I believe the timing of his presidency was dictated by social mood entering a transitional phase, and he may be working hard to divert that typical attribution of "blame" to the Fed and to Democrats. If he succeeds it will be unprecedented, but that is (to me) the Occam's Razor conclusion for the delayed timing of one thing after another...a turn of social mood at this degree of trend is like turning a supertanker; the process is tedious.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 8:45 AM  

@33 Sam:

@22
Leftism is a set of lies to coordinate stealing and smashing other peoples stuff.


Jim of Jim's Blog uses the metaphor of smashing apple carts and picking up as many loose apples as possible. Leftists can in certain circumstances create thing like dams, steel plants, and tanks, especially when they have controlled a country long enough to have run out of other people's apple carts, but they're pretty limited in what they can accomplish. And are generally bad at growing food.

@36 Damelon Brinn:

It might be fun to collect all the knee-jerk "Trump betray us!" predictions each week and then run them back the next week when they look stupid.

Some aren't predictions but observations. Gun control is a very big one, and that's a telling clue about a person's attitude towards liberty. The jailbreak is another, and is terrible optics for his base, even if there's some justice in it, plea bargaining makes that very hard to evaluate. It could also effectively end his presidency if that releases the next Willie Horton. It's not wise to do things where the end results are completely out of your control.

Giving twice as much money to Mexico and Central America to hinder the immivasion as he's trying to get for the wall for FY2019 assumes that money won't mostly be stolen, and again is terrible optics.

He's in general been squandering political capital, not building it, but it appears he's now taking steps to reverse that. Pulling out of Syria is significant, especially at the cost of losing Mattis, and it's also significant in ways we don't yet understand that he's getting rid of General Kelly.

If he pulls out of Afghanistan, that will be huge. But the Wall, and immigration come first.

Blogger James Dixon December 21, 2018 8:47 AM  

> Is there any way to get rid of these people?

Yes.

> Are they going to force us into fighting a civil war?

Yes, as that's probably the only way to get rid of them.

> I should have known better.

Yes, you should have. But we all make mistakes. I did email the White House and remind him to build the wall and drain the swamp. It looks like others did too.

Blogger Avalanche December 21, 2018 8:56 AM  

" pull out of Syria and sharply reduce the US troop presence in Afghanistan."

Maybe because President Trump knows he'll NEED those troops here in the U.S.? Sending 5k to the border is a drop in an ocean (of invaders) and the 'on-hand count' of semi-rested, reconditioned troops inside the U.S. is probably pretty damned small.

I was trying to share hope with a despairing friend last night: the EO (military tribunal) takes effect on 1 Jan. The Congress slime CAN be arrested when Congress is NOT in session (Congress doesn't return till 3 Jan.)

(Please GOD!) Will there be mass arrests on 2 Jan? Perp walks of hungover traitors and pedos? (Happy New Year?) WILL the House of Reps be able to start a new session if SOME of those 68,000 sealed indictments are unsealed and the House of Reps comes up short of a quorum? Followed by mass rioting by the "enemies ... ("and domestic")?

Clinging to hope, as I have been for a year+ ...

Blogger dc.sunsets December 21, 2018 8:59 AM  

Social mood optimism of the last 37 years was without precedent. Since the 1981 Bond Market low, all asset prices have more-or-less risen together, and because the price of intangible assets does not obey Econ101 Supply/Demand price models, as prices rose, the quantity demanded increased. This positive feedback model of boom-bust yielded an unprecedented credit bubble as the price of debt rose (and yields thus collapsed) and a veritable OCEAN of IOU's was filled, far beyond reason (but "justified" by a literal industry of rationalization.)

Open borders, multiculturalism, the embrace of LGBT perversion, putting your private life online via FB, the creation of $250 trillion in IOU's, the seeming ability of Congress to massively increase spending while cutting taxes, what does it all have in common?

A maniacally high social mood that produced openness and trust and altruism at a pathological level equal to that of Cat Lady Rescue-Hoarders. (Think about the argument with a Leftist who embraces open borders; how are they different than trying to stop a woman carrying a box of abandoned kittens into her home when the house is full of starving cats, cat corpses and is a cesspit of cat feces? She simply doesn't SEE the facts to which you point.)

If the turn is behind us, then just as all asset markets largely stair-stepped higher for most of 40 years, they'll now do so in decline. Bonds are in a monthly downtrend. Stocks are in a weekly downtrend. If both continue (notwithstanding wild bear market rallies), then all of the products of too much openness, too much trust, will evaporate.

IF the turn is truly behind us, and our unprecedented 37 year mania-boom is about to get an unprecedented hangover-depression, Trump is (IMO) moving Heaven and Earth to get the collapse of 2019 squarely blamed on a "new" Democrat-controlled house and on the Fed.

My forecast is that he will succeed with those of us already inclined to see his presidency as a positive (compared to what a 2nd Clinton debacle would have looked like) but will of course fail with the Scribes (MSM.) It should be fascinating...I wish I could watch from a safe distance, but there is no such vantage point.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 21, 2018 9:14 AM  

It's a negotiating stratagem. He starts out conciliatory, then hardens right at the brink.

Which is the opposite of the way it's normally done in politics. Politicians are supposed to stick hard to the party platform, so when they waffle you know they're willing to compromise or cave in. Trump negotiates like a businessman, where everything is fair game in the discussion stage, but none of it counts until you start putting it down on paper and signing it.

It's not that complicated. I don't know how much the politicians and media just can't get their minds around the difference, and how much they're pretending as part of the gaslighting.

Blogger Richard Holmes December 21, 2018 9:18 AM  

"If he pulls out of Afghanistan, that will be huge. But the Wall, and immigration come first." - Random

Yeah well,... Trump doesn't need congressional approval or legislation to move troops out of a country. He is the Commander In Chief.

Blogger Avalanche December 21, 2018 9:32 AM  

@15 "he was lying through his teeth during the election, and was and still remains a gun grabber."

Oh MY! Check it: your leftie quals just slipped out into view, eh? The God Emperor was NOT "lying through his teeth" and he was not and apparently is still not a "gun grabber." DO NOT use lib-leftie-prog-commie terms -- or their usual habit of painting with a brush as wide as the ocean.

Even IF the President has not been as fervent and active and harsh as we wish (and I agree, he has not! Like many of us, I'm desperately holding off despair!), he is still working to keep his head above the slime of the swamp. If grabbing hold of a water-logged branch and using it to keep himself from drowning while he fights his way to the drain-plug, is needed.... so be it!

I'd throw him a life ring if I could - oh wait! D you not see that the GoFundMe to build the wall IS a life ring! Eleven million dollars in barely 4 days? The populace is SPEAKING -- and the message seems perhaps to have reached some in the Congress, who have backed down a bit. We have not had an effective way to get our message to them! This drive shows up and some of the RINOs moderate?! Jerk their chain! If you have NOT pledged -- do so!

I'm sorry you're so attached to (commercial?) bump stocks that you see a complete betrayal in a SMALL (and reversible) accommodation to the enemy that is trying to drown him. Definitely, you throwing your weight/rock/chain onto him as he struggles will do wonders for him reaching the drain plug.

100% or nothing for you, eh? Either The God Emperor waves a magic wand (that he does NOT have!) and does everything at once -- or you're jumping ship (to stick with the water-based metaphor... maybe getting off the water-proof train?)

Blogger Avalanche December 21, 2018 9:38 AM  

@19 "'Senior administration officials' should wonder when the GE identifies them by name and pink slip."

'Senior administration officials' should wonder when the GE identifies them by name and newly unsealed indictment.

FIFY.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 9:47 AM  

@25 The Cooler:

@15

You are niggling.


Not on his gun grabbing, and encouraging politicians to thumb their noses at the NRA and gun owners. You think the nation's 800,000 bump stock owners like being told to "turn 'em all in" in 90 days or become Federal felons?

With no compensation for this ex post facto ban, done by a make up new law BATFE finding that can be used to ban much, much more, like trigger improvements or replacements (that's happening in some states), or if they dare, semi-auto guns altogether? You think these people don't have friends who they talk to about this travesty?

You think as more people get murdered by the police in no due process Red Flag confiscations gun owners are going to thank Trump for his continued advocacy of them? Every time a state enacts such a law, that's one more state's worth of gun owners who are put under very direct and personal danger.

No one who voted for Trump is not going to vote for him again when faced with whatever alternative is served-up by the Left.

Of course not, but that doesn't mean they're going to vote for Trump, a lesson G.H.W. Bush learned.

Blogger Avalanche December 21, 2018 9:52 AM  

@45 "the politicians and media just can't get their minds around the difference,"

(With few exceptions) They've never BEEN in business... nor even talked seriously with a businessman. They already "know" what needs doing: whatever keeps their snouts in the trough!

Blogger DMV Gringo December 21, 2018 10:00 AM  

The billions earmarked for the shitholes
south of the border is still intact in that bill.
What POTUS is playing hardball for is the
inclusion of $5.6B for the border fence, not
for removal of the shithole funding.
And now a $7B (disaster funding) payoff to
compensate California for losses resulting
from recent wildfires, to include rebuilding
from hurricane damage, has been included.
Blah........
Bullshit.
Blah........

Blogger Alex December 21, 2018 10:02 AM  

Something I wish I knew long ago: do not doubt Vox.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 10:16 AM  

@46 Richard Holmes:

"If he pulls out of Afghanistan, that will be huge. But the Wall, and immigration come first." - Random

Yeah well,... Trump doesn't need congressional approval or legislation to move troops out of a country. He is the Commander In Chief.


Of a military that's addicted to low intensity warfare in the Middle East, as Mattis' resignation proves beyond any doubt I might have had.

And being the Commander in Chief doesn't actually mean your orders will be obeyed, be they a couple of Reagan's to make an specific and legitimate attack, to Trumps about trannies.

I take Mattis' resignation letter to perhaps even state he was no longer able to obey Trump's orders, the Syria withdrawal being the elephant in the room.

Blogger By My Greybeard! December 21, 2018 10:20 AM  

@Lovekraft
"...and laws to prevent further intrusion by that region of insanity in our nations are on my wishlist."

I deeply agree w/your stated sentiment! I've lost family to this Interventionist U.S.™. I wouldn't feel the same if they'd died to protect us or our interests, but I have difficulty seeing how that was the case.

While agreeing w/your sentiment, I disagree w/“laws to prevent”, for several reasons; the least of which is that laws DON'T prevent, even when honestly applied.

They might deter, deincentivize, or inhibit — but they don't/can't “prevent”.

More to the point, we are now living in a "Deep State U.S. world".

How would any set or group of laws defer, inhibit, or prevent a repeat of interventionism, when our current government simply ignores laws contrary to the desires of The Deep State... or, worse, twists and/or inverts the obvious meaning of laws in order to attain the objective of Its desires?

I admit that I don't see a solution, outside of "the Rope & Lamppost" one, to the situation.

Blogger wreckage December 21, 2018 10:20 AM  

He pulls out of Syria, probably pulling out of Afghanistan, ends catch-and-release, and is refusing to back down on getting the Wall funded, and here's a chorus of "But muh bump-stocks!"

Born. Losers.

Blogger The Cooler December 21, 2018 10:30 AM  

Now you are niggling histrionically, Random.

We are not in the Bush era. You have no aptitude for parsing the panorama and apparently cannot even read the room.

If you are not going to vote for Trump because a Big City Yankee Big City Yankees over guns, then here's your juicebox.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 21, 2018 10:36 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:So the swamp clowns want to have war with everyone without the responsibility for voting for war do not want to spend billions to strengthen border security, some damn good optics there.
Er, you're late to the game if you're just realizing this. It's been the modus operandi of Congress to shift blame: a law would be unpopular with the people? well, we'll just let the judiciary say it's law and "oh well, our hands are tied!" and so what if some agency is out of control? "That's the executive, we don't control them!" ... despite being the only legitimate body within the federal government of legislation (the very first sentence in the Constitution), and that they control the funding, and that they can impeach the President and/or USSC Justices, or that they can abolish agencies.

Richard Holmes wrote:This is all designed to put pressure on the God-Emperor to surrender to the World Democratic Revolutionaries and the Democrats. - VD

Is there any way to get rid of these people? Are they going to force us into fighting a civil war?

I'm partial to public hangings after conviction under Article 3, Section 3.

Blaidd wrote:The implication that that pesky thing called border security is just a "pet project" that the President is pushing with no support is pretty bold even for the lying press.
I'm under the impression that a surprisingly huge portion of Americans would actually favor letting the military "off the chain" and forcing the invaders out.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2018 11:05 AM  

The Cooler wrote:
You need a bump stock? I'll make you a bump stock.


Thanks, but I have a belt loop. I'm good.

The Cooler wrote:If you are not going to vote for Trump because a Big City Yankee Big City Yankees over guns, then here's your juicebox.

There are hundreds of us who agree with you, cooler. There are tens of millions of normie gun owners who are likely to agree with random. Those millions of normie gun owners are the base Trump needs to play to, and yes, this has potential to end a lot of support if Trump's DOJ actually tries to enforce it. It's only going to take high profile evil by one rogue BATF clown to smear Trump, and every BATF agent is an evil rogue clown, eager to smear Trump.

If Trump's DOJ carefully never enforces it, and carefully gets it overturned by a broad decision that takes out a lot of other gun laws with it, it could bring him a lot of support - that he would have had anyway. ``Carefully never enforces'' is going to be tough sledding in an out-of-control DOJ that has made gun control a primary focus. It seems like a big risk for small gain.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz December 21, 2018 11:12 AM  

staff wrote:I sometimes imagine what would be going on if the President had loyal troops as his assistants in the White House.
This is nobody's fault but his.
I don't know why so many swamp creatures inhabit the WH, but it was Trump who hired them.

IMHO, Trump needs a WH shakeup really badly.

You have to wonder what is going to happen when Trump pulls troops out of Syria. Israel could always start re-arming ISIS which could trigger another 2015 invasion of Europe. We will be relying on Putin in that case.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 11:14 AM  

@47 Avalanche:

@15 "he was lying through his teeth during the election, and was and still remains a gun grabber."

Oh MY! Check it: your leftie quals just slipped out into view, eh? The God Emperor was NOT "lying through his teeth"..."


Attacking the bearer of bad news is not legit, and "lying through your teeth" is a a common expression the ultra-Red part of the country I grew up in.

He's on record before and after the election as a gun grabber, from the On the Issues website:

"I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record."

From his 2000 policy book, he and his editors were not even aware of the Brady Bill "instant check" system that replaced its five day waiting period.

In November 2015, and in the first debate he advocated barring gun ownership to those on the government's secret watch and no-fly lists. That's obviously intolerable.

Then there's all he's said and done once he became President:

"I like taking the guns early..."

"Take the guns first, go through due process second."

“You’ll never get [concealed carry reciprocity]. You’ll never get it passed. We want to get something done.”

“If there’s a Republican who’s demonstrated he’s not afraid of the N.R.A., that would be me.”

"Very strong improvement and strengthening of background checks will be fully backed by White House. Legislation moving forward. Bump Stocks will soon be out."


Referring to the FixNICS bill, which will add many names to it. The NICS has become very bad for gun owners after the FBI started ignoring appeals in 2016 from the many false positives it produces.

I didn't find a simple quote for it, but he strongly supports raising the age to buy a long gun to 21, which is an unforgivable attack on US gun culture, the best way to disarm a people peacefully is to decrease the number of gun owners to the point they're politically impotent.

Now you:

Even IF the President has not been as fervent and active and harsh as we wish ... he is still working to keep his head above the slime of the swamp. If grabbing hold of a water-logged branch and using it to keep himself from drowning while he fights his way to the drain-plug, is needed.... so be it!

Tell me how his gun grabbing has helped him in any way. It has enraged a critical part of his base, upset many more, and the Left pocketed it and is demanding much, much, more. Squandering your political capital is like jettisoning your life vest.

I'm sorry you're so attached to (commercial?) bump stocks that you see a complete betrayal in a SMALL (and reversible) accommodation to the enemy that is trying to drown him.

It's not small, the BATFE is making new law out of thin air, which can be used to ban things like trigger improvements allow faster firing, and states are already passing laws with this much wider scope. And tell me the last time anything like this was reversed.

As for it helping him, it's about the Las Vegas shooting, which was memory holed because of its Right wing targets, and the clearly bogus FBI investigation, especially after the Stoneman shooting with its crisis actors. In the BATFE's rule, they even admit they never were allowed by the FBI to examine any of the guns to see if any with bump stocks were used.

I'm sorry you have no principles when it comes to liberty, and are so ignorant of what gun grabbing tells you about a person that you dismiss it as a minor detail, while trying to excuse it with reasoning that makes absolutely no sense.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 11:23 AM  

@58 Ominous Cowherd:

The Cooler wrote:

You need a bump stock? I'll make you a bump stock.

Thanks, but I have a belt loop. I'm good.

The Cooler wrote:

If you are not going to vote for Trump because a Big City Yankee Big City Yankees over guns, then here's your juicebox.

There are hundreds of us who agree with you, cooler. There are tens of millions of normie gun owners who are likely to agree with random. Those millions of normie gun owners are the base Trump needs to play to, and yes, this has potential to end a lot of support if Trump's DOJ actually tries to enforce it. It's only going to take high profile evil by one rogue BATF clown to smear Trump, and every BATF agent is an evil rogue clown, eager to smear Trump.


Did not think of that, the BATFE has a gangster culture from the days they were Revenuers busting stills, plus there are many other police forces that would love to give Trump a black eye and remind gun owners who really runs this country.

If [it] carefully gets it overturned by a broad decision that takes out a lot of other gun laws with it

Not going to happen prior to Ginsberg getting replaced, and this is absolutely the worst part of gun control to try to get the Federal courts to address.

There is absolutely no upside to this ban, unless you think other normies who mostly aren't paying attention to this will cheer Trump for "doing something".

Blogger OneWingedShark December 21, 2018 11:35 AM  

Random #57 wrote:Not on his gun grabbing, and encouraging politicians to thumb their noses at the NRA and gun owners.
To be fair, more people ought to thumb their nose at the NRA because it is the best example of controlled opposition that I can think of. Just look at how they encourage FUD with "Public official is going to take away your guns! Send us money!", just look at how they don't push back against things like GCA and NFA.

You think as more people get murdered by the police in no due process Red Flag confiscations gun owners are going to thank Trump for his continued advocacy of them? Every time a state enacts such a law, that's one more state's worth of gun owners who are put under very direct and personal danger.
This is true, but I think its really it's indicative of a deeper underlying problem: the presumption of legitimacy that the Law Enforcement and the Judiciary operate under, as well as the presumption that anything legislature votes on is law, even if explicitly prohibited by its controlling Constitution.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 11:37 AM  

@55. wreckage December 21, 2018 10:20 AM

He pulls out of Syria, probably pulling out of Afghanistan, ends catch-and-release

The middle is just a rumor, wouldn't even pay attention to it if Mattis wasn't leaving, the last is another Lucy football gambit until he's willing to go Andrew Jackson on the judiciary.

is refusing to back down on getting the Wall funded

Still a work in progress, and 5.7 billion will built only a few hundred miles, he'll have to do a lot more to avoid being a "Gutless President in Wall-Less Country".

and here's a chorus of "But muh bump-stocks!"

Born. Losers.


The born losers surrender their guns without protest. Ask the Venezulans how their 6 year old law is working for them.

@56. The Cooler December 21, 2018 10:30 AM

Now you are niggling histrionically, Random.

We are not in the Bush era. You have no aptitude for parsing the panorama and apparently cannot even read the room.


I can read my room of gun owners. Are you even one?

If you are not going to vote for Trump because a Big City Yankee Big City Yankees over guns, then here's your juicebox.

If a Red Flag law passed by my state's Republicans, like in Florida and elsewhere, is used to confiscate my guns, do you think I'm ever going to vote for one again?

Blogger VFM #7634 December 21, 2018 11:37 AM  

"This is all designed to put pressure on the God-Emperor to surrender to the World Democratic Revolutionaries and the Democrats."

Whereas Trump figures the 2018 elections are over and he can do whatever he da-n well feels like for the next year and a half.

Blogger The Cooler December 21, 2018 11:43 AM  

@58

There are hundreds of us who agree with you, cooler. There are tens of millions of normie gun owners who are likely to agree with random.

There are not tens of millions of former Trump voters who are going to petulantly sit 2020 out because bump stock, especially if the Left runs an quadroon commie (etc). Don't be a retard. The rest of your poast, fine; that's as good as conjecture gets.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 11:45 AM  

@62. OneWingedShark December 21, 2018 11:35 AM

Random #57 wrote:
Not on his gun grabbing, and encouraging politicians to thumb their noses at the NRA and gun owners.

To be fair, more people ought to thumb their nose at the NRA
because it is the best example of controlled opposition that I can think of.

Except for the assault weapons ban, you're absolutely right, and that's one of many reasons I'm no longer a member. But that's not the common perception, obviously of its 5.5. million members, some fraction of gun owners who aren't members for other reasons, or the national political scene that has no real understanding of the issue. Many former politicians have found that out the hard way after voting for a NRA approved gun control bill.

For your latter point, every time a "law enforcement officer" abuses or brutalizes a normie or his dogs, he and his friends get radicalized on the legitimacy of the whole system. The more they do this getting national exposure, the same. As VD's "NWA were right" tag notes.

Blogger Timmy3 December 21, 2018 11:50 AM  

I wonder why Trump isn’t doing this already.

“Jason Chaffetz Says Trump’s border wall may get funding after all (thanks to this dirty little Washington secret).”

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 11:52 AM  

@65 The Cooler:

@58

There are hundreds of us who agree with you, cooler. There are tens of millions of normie gun owners who are likely to agree with random.

There are not tens of millions of former Trump voters who are going to petulantly sit 2020 out because bump stock


Trying to reduce Trump's total package of gun grabbing to the bump stock ban doesn't work for us political gun owners, and you're forgetting the 800,000 of them who are going to have to "turn 'em all in" or become felons. And their friends.

Look at how very close the 2016 election was and tell me the numbers for the bump stock ban alone aren't enough to cause Trump to lose the 2020 election. See the example of G.H.W. Bush who thought he could betray his base, a lot of that gun control, when the Democrats didn't nominate a crazy. It's not wise to depend on your enemy making a mistake. Or note that they could nominate someone who's only as big a mistake as nominating Hillary was.

Blogger Gen. Kong December 21, 2018 12:03 PM  

The 48-hour wait is a good rule. This is not the first time it's been proven by any means. Apart from Porkulus, which might have been the price he had to pay for the lukewarm support (at best) for him in the midterms from the Gay Old Pedobears, the only serious cucks were on gun control - no denying that was a bad one - and Jared Kushner's program to release thousands of violent criminals (and Democrat voters) onto the streets to serve as foot soldiers for Soros. He needs to get rid of Pompeo (swamp) next. Close the damned border, build the wall and bring the troops home from their meddling in every place around the planet. The two abrupt reversals on Syria and the Graveyard of Empires are great news - all he need to do know is pull out of Ukraine. If he forces the issue on the wall against the swamp, he'll again be on track for a Trumpslide in 2020.

Blogger Gen. Kong December 21, 2018 12:12 PM  

@47. Fair point about bump-stocks (per se) - taken only by itself. Leaving the swamp in place at BATFE to interpret the ban (it will effectively become a ban on all semi-autos) is considerably more serious. Even more problematic are the so-called "red-flag" laws which accompanied the bump-stock ban endorsement, which have now resulted in confiscation and several murders at the hands of the badge-gang. The badge-gang have chosen sides: They're with Soros and Antifa.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2018 12:25 PM  

Random #57 wrote:If [it] carefully gets it overturned by a broad decision that takes out a lot of other gun laws with it

Not going to happen prior to Ginsberg getting replaced, and this is absolutely the worst part of gun control to try to get the Federal courts to address.


That's why I doubt the 4d chess interpretation: there is way too much outside Trump's control here. He'd be crazy to make a plan that hinges on BATF respecting rights and Ginsberg sleeping with a pillow on her face soon enough, and on and on.

The Cooler wrote:There are not tens of millions of former Trump voters who are going to petulantly sit 2020 out because bump stock, especially if the Left runs an quadroon commie (etc). Do

A few high profile murders of bump stock owners by Trump's BATF will change that. We do watch this stuff. Trump is going to take the blame.

Blogger Gen. Kong December 21, 2018 12:32 PM  

I'm under the impression that a surprisingly huge portion of Americans would actually favor letting the military "off the chain" and forcing the invaders out.

That could very well be part of the reason Trump is pulling out of both Syria and Afghanistan, which really is a major plus in his column. It's also a major encouragement that he may well actually be serious about those campaign promises after all. On gun control, it's also worth noting that the NRA did not oppose the ban. There was nothing stopping them from doing so. Trump undoubtedly noticed this as well. And yes it could be undone if Trump actually drained the swamp and canned everyone at BATFE.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 12:45 PM  

@72 Gen. Kong:

On gun control, it's also worth noting that the NRA did not oppose the ban.

That's seldom saved politicians who voted for a ban, the NRA has supported every Federal one except the assault weapons ban, and lots of state ones.

Plus we're in new territory, this is the first nationwide ban without grandfathering, except for the armor piercing ammo ban, and very few people had ammo that fit that law's definition, vs. the 800,000 bump stocks believed to be owned.

Blogger The Cooler December 21, 2018 12:53 PM  

Your name is Joe Normie. You are a gun owner. It's 2020. Elizabeth Warren has won the Democratic nomination for President of the United States; the first Woman of Color™ to do so.

The Trump Administration worked to and eventually got binary triggers banned in 2019. There has been some brow-furrowing BATF shit.

Are you voting? For whom are you voting?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2018 1:02 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:... Trump is pulling out of both Syria and Afghanistan, which really is a major plus in his column.

It is a huge plus.

Gen. Kong wrote: On gun control, it's also worth noting that the NRA did not oppose the ban. There was nothing stopping them from doing so.


The NRA is controlled opposition. They need lots of gun control to keep the fundraising going. The NRA has helped draft every gun ban sincce the NFA. They are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Trump probably didn't know that, and he's getting burned by his ignorance.

The Cooler wrote:Are you voting? For whom are you voting?

Probably not. Why bother? It's not like there is much for Joe to choose between in your scenario. At least nobody will call him racist ...

Blogger Long Live The West December 21, 2018 1:06 PM  

"Not going to happen prior to Ginsberg getting replaced"

Ginsberg is currently resting in a hospital after getting two cancerous tumors removed from her lungs.

You might not be waiting that long.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 1:09 PM  

@74 The Cooler:

Your name is Joe Normie. You are a gun owner. It's 2020. Elizabeth Warren has won the Democratic nomination for President of the United States; the first Woman of Color™ to do so.

The Trump Administration worked to and eventually got binary triggers banned in 2019. There has been some brow-furrowing BATF shit.


Like murdering gun owners while confiscating their bump stocks. And many more gun owners have been killed in Red Flag gun confiscation raids. Plus Trump signed some "common sense gun safety" laws that originated in the Democratic House.

All combined, a large fraction of Joe Normies know someone affected by these actions, rules and laws. Perhaps his son aged 19-20 can't buy a long gun because of the state laws Trump supports, or a Federal one he signed, it's only "gun safety", you know?

Maybe Joe Normie decides TINVOWOOT. If Mitt Romney had gotten G. W. Bush's 2004 turnout, he would have won in 2012. Maybe he votes for a third party, G.H.W. Bush infamous lost because a lot of people couldn't stomach voting for him or Clinton, and voted for Perot. One this Joe Normie knows is that if he votes for Trump or Warren, he's going to get more gun control.

Are you even an American gun owner? Know very many of them? Know how upset a lot of them already are? We didn't elect Trump to get more gun control!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 21, 2018 1:16 PM  

We know this, Random!! We know this!! Trump is the best we could get! What's your solution?

So fucking tired of people like you coming here to tell all of us this, like we haven't already been screaming this at each other for 15 years here on this blog.

Do you know anything about the people who have been here for years?

Blogger The Cooler December 21, 2018 1:17 PM  

lol you're like an autistic, ten-headed red herring hydra, Random.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2018 1:25 PM  


So fucking tired of people like you coming here to tell all of us this, like we haven't already been screaming this at each other for 15 years here on this blog.


Trump almost surely doesn't read the comments here, but it's a safe bet he has a staffer who does. Odds are good that comments here are more effective than emails to the White House.

Blogger stevev December 21, 2018 1:33 PM  

Any active duty members have a feel for the room regarding the number of hispanics in the military and whether they consider the mexican invaders to be their people, and therefore would disobey orders to fire on them, should it come to that?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 21, 2018 1:37 PM  

Stevev,

I'll just tell you not to hold your breath.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 1:40 PM  

@78 Stg58/Animal Mother:

We know this, Random!! We know this!! Trump is the best we could get! What's your solution?

Effectively the same as VD's, except I'm staying in America for family reasons, much like I assume he left America for. America falls apart in one way or another, while I'm still healthy enough to make a difference in my local area. In which case it's going to make a very big difference if me and my community are well armed. Of course, a sufficiently nasty national gun ban attempt would just cause that result by starting a civil war.

I don't have a grand solution because it's very clear there isn't one, the America I grew up in is dead, was so before I really realized it. And I see no path to reviving it.

Trump was indeed the best we could get, but it's now clear to anyone with eyes to see that he's not good enough to save the country. Unless he gets a second term, and manages every year to squeeze another 5 billion dollar to built another few hundred miles of wall, and clears all the hurdles the Deep State is putting in the way of making the Wall useful, the immivasion will continue at its current Obama high levels. Which alone is enough to kill the country.

While the Deep State abides and schemes, and despite their impatience to get rid of him, can wait him out until 2021 or 2025, and then just stop defending the wall. Or we run out of other people's money and things get really messy. Etc.

But Trump? He's burned my trust, on the touchstone topic which tells you how a person really views liberty. As insane as the Left is about him, they're not 100% wrong about how dangerous he is. And he's a civ-nat who's explicitly not on my side in the greater scheme of things. We'll see, as we live in interesting times.

Blogger James Dixon December 21, 2018 1:40 PM  

> Odds are good that comments here are more effective than emails to the White House.

I'd say that depends entirely on the number of those emails.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 21, 2018 1:44 PM  

If he's burned your trust, he never had it in the first place. Weve heard this song and dance before from so many people. You're not unique or amazing.

Blogger James Dixon December 21, 2018 1:56 PM  

> Trump was indeed the best we could get, but it's now clear to anyone with eyes to see that he's not good enough to save the country.

That was clear before the election. No one man is.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 1:57 PM  

@85. Stg58/Animal Mother:

If he's burned your trust, he never had it in the first place.

Everyone you've ever known who you at some point realized was a liar you never trusted in the first place?

I admit, that trust was misplaced, I missed his campaign period endorsements of using the watch and no-fly lists to ban gun ownership. And assumed his gunnie sons had had some effect on him since the bad old days, when as a matter of doing business he probably had to make generic anti-gun noises. 2002 was in fact before the Democratic party finally realized after their 1994-2000 defeats that gun control was a losing issue.

Weve heard this song and dance before from so many people. You're not unique or amazing.

Neither are you, nor do your desires matter for my occasionally pointing out the political significant of this betrayal when it's relevant.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 21, 2018 2:05 PM  

Occasionally? As in out of nowhere rolling in like the Church Lady and lecturing us? Is it hard to type while you are wagging your finger?

You and your kind materialize fully formed to announce with great fanfare and concern that Trump has lost your trust, expecting us to fall backwards as if afflicted by sudden paralysis and horror. "Oh no, we exclaim! Trump has lost your trust!! What do we do? What ever will we do?" Pearl clutching continues apace.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 2:08 PM  

@86 James Dixon:

Trump was indeed the best we could get, but it's now clear to anyone with eyes to see that he's not good enough to save the country.

That was clear before the election. No one man is.


Ignoring him going Lincoln++ and saving the Republic by ending it with a Storm, that's true, but he's not creating a movement that might in due course significantly change things. My points about the gun owner part of his base are echoed in the other ways he's shown he doesn't much care about his base, the way Antifa runs riot while his DoJ persecutes people who defend themselves from them, how many years now have they been bloodying his supporters? Or random people who just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? What is he doing to make us think our votes count when it comes time to count them? Anything more than a few outraged Tweets and then forgotten? That will also suppress turnout in 2020.

So, he's a mortal man, at best is damaging the status of the MSM and the GOPe, and getting rid of a fair number of them, although by no means permanently. And giving us a few more years to prepare. But I think he could have been more. Although effectively ending the GWOT would be a huge thing.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 2:14 PM  

@88. Stg58/Animal Mother:

Occasionally? As in out of nowhere rolling in like the Church Lady and lecturing us?

I've been here for years, and most people don't include a FN battle rifle's designation as part of their handle, it's clear many of the participants are not part of the US gun culture.

expecting us to fall backwards as if afflicted by sudden paralysis and horror.

Now you're really making stuff up out of whole cloth. I don't expect you to do anything other than add this to your political calculus of how future elections might play out. If believing it's significantly more likely that Trump will lose in 2024 afflicts you with "sudden paralysis and horror", sorry about that, but facts are stubborn things.

And I prefer to clutch ammo.

Blogger VD December 21, 2018 2:21 PM  

But Trump? He's burned my trust, on the touchstone topic which tells you how a person really views liberty.

Then you're foolish. Trump was, and is, the only possible option. Literally every alternative is worse. It was never about trust, it is about hope.

Blogger RusticFederalist December 21, 2018 2:26 PM  

Well, if they want to play games with the economy, maybe the President should ask Steve Keen to talk shop over dinner.

Shame folks didn't get a high tariff or full embargo on China before the Christmas shopping started. I have a room full of Amazon deliveries from Boomer relatives that barely bother to call or write my children.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 21, 2018 2:27 PM  

You're arguing disingenuously, Random. All of your comments are overheated concern trolling and principled outrage. But you just want me to add your comments to my political calculus?

We know he's imperfect. We know he's not perfect, and he will disappoint us. We take our victories as they come, and we go on the attack whenever we can. This is a war. We will win the war, but not every battle.

Would you have fired Patton for slapping the soldier?

Blogger The Cooler December 21, 2018 2:30 PM  

Save the country. Vote Kamala Harris in 2020.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 21, 2018 2:30 PM  

Which country?

Blogger The Cooler December 21, 2018 2:31 PM  

This comment has been removed by the author.

Blogger James Dixon December 21, 2018 2:37 PM  

> Everyone you've ever known who you at some point realized was a liar you never trusted in the first place?

Trump was a born and raised New Yorker. I didn't have any illusions about him to be shattered. But he's so much better than Hillary there's no comparison. He's even tried to keep his campaign promises.

> but he's not creating a movement that might in due course significantly change things.

He never said he would. But you're getting things backwards. The movement predates him and is what elected him.


> But I think he could have been more.

That's debatable. He's actually exceeded my expectations.

Blogger James Dixon December 21, 2018 2:42 PM  

> Which country?

Mexifornia.

Blogger Gregory the Great December 21, 2018 2:50 PM  

Did you mean Mexifornica?

Blogger I DontTroll December 21, 2018 2:52 PM  

stevev wrote:Any active duty members have a feel for the room regarding the number of hispanics in the military and whether they consider the mexican invaders to be their people, and therefore would disobey orders to fire on them, should it come to that?

Here is a data point for you.

https://imgur.com/a/7m6KvRE

I had a link to a post on twitter a few posts ago, but it has since been purged.

Blogger FP December 21, 2018 2:58 PM  

The bumpfire stock issue and the opening to more onerous regulations is an own goal and makes little sense with little pay off even if the 4d chess theory works out. Nothing ventured, noting gained I suppose but to blow off the anger is silly. I blame the NRA more for not opposing it. States as seen with the red flag laws are pushing back against the stalemate in congress on federal gun control, even the cucks in Florida gave in.

Cause a ruckus, call, email, bitch as that gives Trump good pushback and a way to point and say, "I was wrong, this is what the people really want". However, until it starts happening with atf idiocy, trigger pull regulations and more red flag nonsense, I'll hold out hope we're dealing with bs politics and nothing more.

Blogger The Cooler December 21, 2018 2:58 PM  

Random #57: When keeping it real goes wrong.

It is exceptionally difficult to perform an objective value assay of one's own subscriptions and commitments. It's usually pretty ugly and always embarrassing.

Blogger Rhys December 21, 2018 2:59 PM  

I've heard the gun rhetoric enough times to not give a shit about the issue. Every phony neocon says literally verbatim what random is saying now when they want to get elected, and regardless of what he says, he know douvt falls for it repeatedly, since he apparently hinges so much of his judgement on what the individual says about guns.

By this logic, Random is saying he trusts Ted Cruz with America's future more than he does Trump. That's all well and good, but I, and many of us, do not.

Blogger Ilk in Training December 21, 2018 3:02 PM  

@73

Citations please. I dislike "this organization/person/politician supported/opposed X" declarations without proof.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 3:03 PM  

@91 VD:

But Trump? He's burned my trust, on the touchstone topic which tells you how a person really views liberty.

Then you're foolish. Trump was, and is, the only possible option. Literally every alternative is worse. It was never about trust, it is about hope.

But as you continue to point out, there is no hope. American as it is known will end within a couple of decades, you think 203x, I've learned to not make date predictions. Trump give us hope of an Indian summer, and the only question now is how long will it last, it's looking shorter than I hoped it would be.

But trust, especially on the issue of liberty, remains important. Trump is also making the situation worse, by sustained attacks on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (RKBA), by attacking the Alt-right, by accepting trillion dollar deficits when the economy is healthy (or is the economy on a sugar high because of those deficits?? And did he have much choice with the GOPe controlling the Congress? The jury is out on this one).

I also think the loss of political capital is relevant, if disaster strikes, economic, military as the neocons fervently want, Ebola or human transmissable bird flu gets a foothold in the US and the rabbits insist that the good r times roll on, etc. The nation's institutions are fragile at best as you keep pointing out, and we need more than a President Twitter if they start to crack for real.

Blogger I DontTroll December 21, 2018 3:12 PM  

FP wrote:Cause a ruckus, call, email, bitch as that gives Trump good pushback and a way to point and say, "I was wrong, this is what the people really want". However, until it starts happening with atf idiocy, trigger pull regulations and more red flag nonsense, I'll hold out hope we're dealing with bs politics and nothing more.

A lot of people complained about the bump stock ban, but how big of a reaction was there directed right at Trump about it? Was it anywhere near the reaction people had to his idea to lift the big game trophy ban? People went absolutely apeshit and made sure he knew about it. Then he backed off.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 3:26 PM  

@103 Rhys:

I've heard the gun rhetoric enough times to not give a shit about the issue. Every phony neocon says literally verbatim what random is saying now when they want to get elected, and regardless of what he says, he know douvt falls for it repeatedly, since he apparently hinges so much of his judgement on what the individual says about guns.

Strangely enough, I think the last politician I pretty much believed on gun control was G. W. Bush, said he would sign an assault weapons ban renewal if it came to his desk, and then had the sense to not touch the poo, especially because it was one of the widely recognized reasons he even made it to the Oval Office.

Trump, though, made credible claims during the campaign if you missed the secret government ban lists advocacy, and I guess I was too busy in 2016 to have caught that. And he's obviously more honest a politician than the average, I don't think the concept of the Kinsley gaffe exists for him.

By this logic, Random is saying he trusts Ted Cruz with America's future more than he does Trump.

I think you left out "it seems" in there. Cruz is and has been totally irrelevant to me, per VD, Trump was the only choice in my state's primary voting, and I can say my vote counted, he won by a hair. So I know nothing about Cruz on the RKBA besides it being said he wrote a wicked amicus curiae brief, which I trust exactly as much as I trust Kavanaugh's fiery dissent in a lower court, that is, not at all.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 3:29 PM  

@106 I DontTroll:

FP wrote:
Cause a ruckus, call, email, bitch as that gives Trump good pushback and a way to point and say, "I was wrong, this is what the people really want". However, until it starts happening with atf idiocy, trigger pull regulations and more red flag nonsense, I'll hold out hope we're dealing with bs politics and nothing more.

A lot of people complained about the bump stock ban, but how big of a reaction was there directed right at Trump about it? Was it anywhere near the reaction people had to his idea to lift the big game trophy ban? People went absolutely apeshit and made sure he knew about it. Then he backed off.


Maybe Trump cared more about the people who made a ruckus on the trophy ban? Very different sets of people.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 3:32 PM  

@104 Ilk in Training:

@73

Citations please. I dislike "this organization/person/politician supported/opposed X" declarations without proof.


Could you narrow down your request? @73 covered a lot of people, and a lot of time, going back to 1934.

Blogger DonReynolds December 21, 2018 3:43 PM  

There seems to be a great deal of confusion in Washington, the past two years, over just exactly WHO is the President of the United States. Some seem to think the Obama is still firmly in place. Some think Hillary was the real winner of the election, so she should have some of her ideas shoe-horned in somewhere. Chucky Schumer thinks he can veto the President's agenda. Nancy Piglosi will actually try and the Republican "leadership" of the Congress are still babbling like John Boehner about fighting to the death months in advance, but never today or tomorrow. Just who is the President?

But let's be more direct...Donald Trump has NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE, so he cannot be adversely affected by a temporary "shutdown" of the Federal government AND he has the ability to do it with his pen and his twitter phone. His press coverage is not going to get any worse. The Radical Democrat Socialists are still going to try to impeach. And Trump Derangement Syndrome is still going to be the most common mental illness in America, for which there does not seem to be any cure or treatment.

The job and responsibility for blocking the wrong budget priorities is actually Mitch McConnell's to do, but he seems to be trying to curry favor with his Chinese masters rather than the nominal head of his own party and administration. Paul Ryan is AWOL in the House, having already turned his coat inside out for all of the Trump term. Thanks be to God, he will soon be gone as Speaker.

Blogger Haxo Angmark December 21, 2018 3:57 PM  

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

Blogger DonReynolds December 21, 2018 4:02 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:

Would you have fired Patton for slapping the soldier?


I would not have sacked Patton if he had shot the coward with his ivory-handled pistol. But I would not have allowed the media to report the event during wartime or make hay out of the story or organize resistance to Patton commanding troops in the field, even if it meant tossing a few "reporters" in the stockade as enemy agents.

But just to be even-handed, I would not have charged any officer or NCO that used deadly force against any coward, especially in combat situations. The British had exactly this policy in the trenches of WWI and it worked. The Soviets in WWII had "blocking detachments" of NKVD troops to shoot anyone on the spot who ran from the enemy or refused to obey the order to attack. Yes, it worked.

Blogger Haxo Angmark December 21, 2018 4:08 PM  

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

Blogger Mr Darcy December 21, 2018 4:18 PM  

" […] key agencies will close and many workers will be furloughed right before Christmas without a paycheck."


I know for a fact that this is a stone-cold lie.

Blogger The Cooler December 21, 2018 4:23 PM  

If you play the bongos while reading Haxo's poasts they're sorta alright.

Blogger James Dixon December 21, 2018 4:35 PM  

> If you play the bongos while reading Haxo's poasts they're sorta alright.

Do you bang on them like a chimpanzee? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tTmpzfyChw

Blogger Mr Darcy December 21, 2018 4:35 PM  

@dcsunsets:


Martin Armstrong's model expects a "crisis of confidence" in "January/February."


Published this morning.

Blogger Ilk in Training December 21, 2018 5:13 PM  

@109

You said in part: "...the NRA has supported every Federal one [re: anti-gun legislation] except the assault weapons ban, and lots of state ones."

How specific do you need me to be? You're making a very broad statement about an organization that supports firearm owners, supporting anti-firearms legislation. Color me skeptical.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2018 5:58 PM  

@118 IiT, the NRA is an organization which exists for fund-raising and to get invitations to the best parties for its employees. It requires a certain amount of gun control to further those ends. It must support gun control to keep the funds flowing and to get those invites to inside the Beltway parties.

So, the NRA never found a gun control proposal they wouldn't campaign against, and compromise on. If the Left weren't pushing gun control, they would have to.

Blogger Gen. Kong December 21, 2018 6:14 PM  

I think it's useful to avoid falling into the trap of 'magic thinking' about Trump, Q or any other person or organization (they're going to come in like Dudley Dooright and save Nell from the Snidely and the Train). We're way past that even being a possibility apart from direct Divine intervention with Archangels striking dead Soros and the legions of snarling SJW-orcs who follow him. At the end of the day there's only so much Trump, et al can do even if they keep their promises. The United States is a dead man walking. The ponzi-scheme is going to crash. There is no rule of law, the swamp and their genuinely evil masters (the "cabal" or whatever you want to call them) have been entrenched for many decades and are not going to simply stand down and move off to some other place to continue their wicked activities because they're being opposed for the first time in memory. (That is very important all by itself). The cabal literally owns every single institution from the Roman Catholic Church on down to your local police department. The vast majority are utterly clueless about it. They sense something's wrong but have no idea.

While not indulging in magical thinking on the one hand, on the other we need to take care to not give in to despair - which is of course exactly what the cabal, etc. want. Trump is indeed a case of the only option available out of some truly abominable ones. Yes the gun control was a bad move, definitely an own goal - and a totally failed deal in which the communist liars he was dealing with offered absolutely zero in return. It could still derail him in 2020 unless he seriously starts paying attention to what he promised in 2016. Pulling the military out of Syria and Afghanistan is major plus because it's a promise that looks he's serious about keeping (the Satanic POS Max Boot is squealing like the pig he is now) so I choose to take it as a hopeful sign that Trump is not a total kayfabe (Barnhardt) or even a member of the cabal (Mankow). Now he needs to shut down the damned border and get the military out of the Ukraine and the Baltics - where Bill Kristol, Max Boot, Soros and their pals are busy ginning up a fresh war.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 6:17 PM  

@118 Ilk in Training:

You've asked for the easy one. The big laws are the NFA of 1934 and subsequent revisions, the GCA of 1968, and the Brady Bill of 1993. I also include the "plastic guns" and "cop killer bullet" bans. FixNICS and the bump stock ban being done by the BATFE are recent and should need no citations, but from the horse's mouth:

"Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."

"NRA's Support for the National Instant Criminal Background System: Fact Checking the Fact Checker", on the NRA ILA's site, anything by Stephen Halbrook you can take to the bank.

"Fix NICS Bill Would Help Block Gun Sales to Peaceful People"

I hope the Firearm Owner's Protection Act of of 1986 is not in question, for its no new machine guns poison pill. The Brady Bill is a bit complicated, in that the NRA's "compromise" was to fight the 5 day waiting period tooth and nail, in favor of the NICS, which they proudly and often support.

Also from the NRA's mouth: "Federal law passed in 1988, crafted with the NRA’s support, makes it unlawful to manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive an undetectable firearm."

"NRA Supported the National Firearms Act of 1934" also covers the GCA.

"7 things you probably didn’t know about the NRA", NFA and the ban on mail order guns in the GCA.

"10 Surprising Facts About the NRA That You Never Hear" NFA, GCA, and the post VT 2008 "NICS Improvement Act".

"The surprising history of the NRA" NFA, GCA.

"The NRA once supported gun control" ditto, plus some other stuff.

"`COP-KILLER` BULLETS FOCUS OF NEW FIGHT"

"The Return of a Legislative Legend" on the NRA's AP bullet "compromise".

See also "Under pressure, NRA voices support for gun violence restraining orders" but that's not Federal yet.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 6:31 PM  

@118 Ilk in Training: I posted a long comment with 12 links, Blogspot accepted it as @121, here, but it looks like it got eaten by the spam blocker. I'll wait a while, and if not released, will post it in snippets.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants December 21, 2018 6:34 PM  

If you genuinely believe this, you are thicker than a brick. How long have you been following GOP politics, 2 yrs? 3?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2018 6:52 PM  

The memes are not helping Trump.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 21, 2018 7:00 PM  

Live by the memes, die by the memes

Blogger tublecane December 21, 2018 7:00 PM  

@16- That might be technically true about the caving, but last showdown Trump got Dems to back down on account of they'd be blamed for what I hope was his phony proffer on DACA.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 7:09 PM  

@123 Ominous Cowherd:

The memes are not helping Trump.

Brutal, but true, also guns in checked baggage on Amtrak. Both passed in the first two years when the Democrats held both houses of the Congress.

@122 Zeroh Tollrants:

If you genuinely believe this, you are thicker than a brick. How long have you been following GOP politics, 2 yrs? 3?

Don't know who you're asking, but if me, not long after Nixon's first successful Presidential election. Remember the shock of his wage and price controls vividly, as well as how he stomped McGovern, ran some great TV commercials on the $1,000 "Demogrant" non-means tested bribe, worth $6,000 today, and of toy ships, etc. on a map, with a hand sweeping a bunch of them off to illustrate his proposed military cuts, while we were still somewhat ensnared in Vietnam and the Cold War was getting more serious.

Blogger Crew December 21, 2018 7:16 PM  

Like murdering gun owners while confiscating their bump stocks. And many more gun owners have been killed in Red Flag gun confiscation raids. Plus Trump signed some "common sense gun safety" laws that originated in the Democratic House.

As Aesop says:

five minutes ago anyone with an opinion was busy pointing out bump stocks are worthless for doing anything but converting ammunition to noise, without any accuracy, and oh, BTW, can be replicated with a rubber band?

https://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2018/12/cant-stfu-to-save-her-life.html

Seems like Random 57 is nothing but a fucktard.

Blogger Crew December 21, 2018 7:21 PM  

In case you don't want to be a fucktard, here is how you do the rubber band trick. DuckDuckGo and Youtube are your friends:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5XzQ1BS7gU

I guess President Trump is not going to outlaw rubber bands.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 7:31 PM  

@127 Crew:

Like murdering gun owners while confiscating their bump stocks. And many more gun owners have been killed in Red Flag gun confiscation raids. Plus Trump signed some "common sense gun safety" laws that originated in the Democratic House.

As Aesop says:

five minutes ago anyone with an opinion was busy pointing out bump stocks are worthless for doing anything but converting ammunition to noise, without any accuracy, and oh, BTW, can be replicated with a rubber band?


Do you deny that despite the above truths, some large number of them have been purchased by Americans, a reported 800,000? Do you deny that the BATFE has been murderous in enforcing its bans? Do you deny the essential truth of this meme?

Do you deny that two Anne Arundel County Police officers killed Gary Willis very early on a November morning just a bit over a month after Maryland passed its own Trump endorsed post-Stoneman law? You might deny that the request triggering it was bogus, that's not a matter of public record like the murder of Willis, but it's a matter of public record that about half the Florida Red Flag targets never owned a gun.

Do you deny using the lethal on this forum phrase "seems like"? I'm not going to label you a Gamma, but others might no be so forgiving.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 7:40 PM  

@128 Crew:

In case you don't want to be a fucktard, here is how you do the rubber band trick. DuckDuckGo and Youtube are your friends:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5XzQ1BS7gU

I guess President Trump is not going to outlaw rubber bands.


See also the belt loop trick. Or the BATFE finding that a shoelace was a machine gun.

One of the things worrying people is that if this made out of whole cloth rule stands, and it's very unlikely it'll be struck down by the Federal courts even if Ginsberg gets replaced, these very facts can be used to turn it into a ban on semi-autos by a future even less gun owner friendly President. Or other details in the rule.

I haven't examined the language, here's the best I've heard of yet, it starts:

The key points are:

1. It is an outright, ungrandfathered, ban on bump-fire stocks (BSTD; and there’s a reason I’m adopting the ATF’s acronym -grin-), as expected.
2. It is as bad as expected, reiterating lies.
3. It is potentially the basis for a complete semi-auto ban, due to the nature of the lies.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2018 8:05 PM  

Aesop is like a low-IQ Denniger: much venom, less sense, no abilty to convince anyone except himself.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 21, 2018 8:06 PM  

Random,

Here's what you do. Fight this tooth and nail with the GOA, RMGOA, etc. Fight the ATF on this. Do political and grassroots activism. If you're good enough at it, Trump will take notice.

Blogger DonReynolds December 21, 2018 8:29 PM  

Random #57 wrote:@128 Crew:

In case you don't want to be a fucktard, here is how you do the rubber band trick. DuckDuckGo and Youtube are your friends:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5XzQ1BS7gU

I guess President Trump is not going to outlaw rubber bands.


See also the belt loop trick. Or the BATFE finding that a shoelace was a machine gun.

One of the things worrying people is that if this made out of whole cloth rule stands, and it's very unlikely it'll be struck down by the Federal courts even if Ginsberg gets replaced, these very facts can be used to turn it into a ban on semi-autos by a future even less gun owner friendly President. Or other details in the rule.


None of the serious shooters I know have ever owned a bump stock, none of them want a machine gun, and none of them are worried that they may not be able to buy one in the future.

I have a number of firearms and none of them are semi-auto. I see nothing wrong with them and I have owned a few in the past. I seriously doubt any state will be able to go after semi-auto, but they may clamp down on large capacity magazines.

Many of us do not see bump stocks as a gun control issue, since it is not a firearm.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 21, 2018 8:42 PM  

If they come after the semi autos and the magazines, like they are in NJ, fine. That's another issue. They can reap that whirlwind if they are dumb enough to.

I think the Jersey boys will surprise the cops, though.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 8:46 PM  

@133 DonReynolds

TL;DR: this doesn't affect me today, so I don't care.

I seriously doubt any state will be able to go after semi-auto, but they may clamp down on large capacity magazines.


You've missed out on decades of state clamp downs on "large capacity magazines", most recently in New Jersey where, heaven forbid, off duty police are restricted! And decades of clamp downs on any semi-auto declared to be an "assault weapon". And there are more and more politicians calling for outright bans on all of them. But, eh, you don't own any.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2018 8:54 PM  

Fudds gonna fudd.

Blogger Random #57 December 21, 2018 9:07 PM  

@136 Ominous Cowherd:

Fudds gonna fudd.

Well, yes. They ought to think about how the next generation that's focused on self-defense and non-bullseye target shooting is going to vote as hunting comes under ever more fire.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 21, 2018 9:12 PM  

Where are the Fudd's? Donreynolds?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2018 9:59 PM  

Don ``I don't own one so you can ban them'' Reynolds

His @133 is classic fudd.

Blogger DonReynolds December 21, 2018 10:08 PM  

Random #57 wrote:@133 DonReynolds

TL;DR: this doesn't affect me today, so I don't care.

I seriously doubt any state will be able to go after semi-auto, but they may clamp down on large capacity magazines.


You've missed out on decades of state clamp downs on "large capacity magazines", most recently in New Jersey where, heaven forbid, off duty police are restricted! And decades of clamp downs on any semi-auto declared to be an "assault weapon". And there are more and more politicians calling for outright bans on all of them. But, eh, you don't own any.


I did not miss any of the assault weapons ban or the ban on high-capacity magazines....I simply would not live in a BLUE state. Yeah, people can vote with their feet.

Personally, I hope every single BLUE state requires a fat insurance policy of every gun owner, Smart Trigger technology, a really big excise tax, and can only buy ammo or firearms from two state-operated gun shops in the entire state. Hey, even require all firearms to be stored with the local police department and do not allow hunting or target shooting, except on Boxing Day during daylight hours and require a personal id number on every bullet.

Fine by me if the BLUE states disarm. I will not ever go there but if that is what the BLUE voters want, they will get it.....good and hard.

Blogger DonReynolds December 21, 2018 10:25 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Don ``I don't own one so you can ban them'' Reynolds

His @133 is classic fudd.


A political science professor of mine said that people get the government they deserve. I disagreed with him strongly and we argued, because I believed that people could be tricked and fooled by political campaigns. Yeah, they can be lied to in politics.

As I got older, I ended up having to agree with the professor. People DO get the government they deserve. If you vote for the rascals, you deserve it. Vote for Leftists and Liberals for public office and you get Leftist Liberal government. Not my fault.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 21, 2018 10:36 PM  

@36

"I sure didn't. Hell, I'm not sure how he got them to do it now."

Let's review some recorded phone calls between you and your treasonous donors.....

Blogger Dirk Manly December 21, 2018 10:42 PM  

@41

"The jailbreak is another, and is terrible optics for his base, even if there's some justice in it, plea bargaining makes that very hard to evaluate. It could also effectively end his presidency if that releases the next Willie Horton. It's not wise to do things where the end results are completely out of your control."

None of the people being released are serving time for violent crimes. They're all things like possession charges.

This is the first step to ending the ridiculous war on substances.

Do I think you should be getting bombed out of your gourd on various intoxicants, especially those of unknown provence and/or chain of custody? Hell no. But the War on Drugs is killing far more people, and more importantly, far more UNINVOLVED people than the drugs themselves.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 21, 2018 10:46 PM  

@45

"It's not that complicated. I don't know how much the politicians and media just can't get their minds around the difference, and how much they're pretending as part of the gaslighting."

Considering that ALL of the press knows only politics, and political strategems, and thinks that business (and therefore, business negotiating techniques) are just this side of war crimes, it's not surprising that they REFUSE to even try to understand Trump's businessman's ways.

Blogger Random #57 December 22, 2018 4:48 AM  

@143 Dirk Manly:

@41

"The jailbreak is another, and is terrible optics for his base, even if there's some justice in it, plea bargaining makes that very hard to evaluate. It could also effectively end his presidency if that releases the next Willie Horton. It's not wise to do things where the end results are completely out of your control."

None of the people being released are serving time for violent crimes. They're all things like possession charges.


Plea bargaining means that at least some of them were suspected of committing violent crimes, but much easier to prove possession charges were used to put them away.

Even if they "didn't do nuffin" violent, how violent are they going to be when they get out of Federal prison? While that's an argument they never should have been in there in the first place, looking forward, I repeat, it only takes one of them going Willie Horton to do a tremendous amount of damage to Trump.

In the context of a couple of years of mostly squandering political capital, until the shutdown which hasn't finished playing out, and finally starting to draw down troop deployments in the GWOT, this is particularly bad optics, and bad politics because, like the bump stock ban, he got nothing in return. Unless you think a lot of blacks are going to start voting Republican, which we're told didn't happen in 2018, although he wasn't on the ticket.

Blogger Random #57 December 22, 2018 4:56 AM  

@140. DonReynolds:

I don't think any strategy that reduces the total number of gun owners in the nation is good. To take my example, I grew up in very Red state America, complete with guns, but the best colleges for me to go to for my specialties are almost all in very Blue states, and the one I went to was and still is one of the very worst on guns. But I was able to buy long guns without serious hassle, and continued to be an active gun owner when I moved to a better location, and then back home.

It could also be very interesting if one of these Blue states decides to get aggressive in enforcing their laws, which are more and more ignored by their gun owners. It took some effort to get New Jersey to officially state they weren't going to use door to door searches to enforce their latest "high capacity" magazine ban, from 15 to 10 rounds.

Blogger Random #57 December 22, 2018 5:00 AM  

@138 Stg58/Animal Mother:

Where are the Fudd's?

Named after Elmer Fudd the Warner Brothers cartoon confused hunter, an older generation gun owner, usually a hunter, who doesn't care about newer generation gun owners who are into self-defense and non-bullseye target shooting and their guns, especially their Evil Black Rifles vs. his deadly long range soft body armor piercing scoped sniper rifles.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 22, 2018 9:32 AM  

@147, the trap shooters are even worse than the hunters. The essential characteristic of the fudds is that they hope if they sell out their fellow Americans, their own guns will be outlawed last.

I always say they aren't fudds because they're asleep, they're asleep because they're fudds.

Blogger Random #57 December 22, 2018 9:36 AM  

@118 Ilk in Training:

As promised, repeating my posting in snippets, let's see if I can avoid triggering the spam filter. Will have to write some more original text for the following snippets since I'm pretty sure it was text to link ratio, as well as the number of links.

You've asked for the easy one. The big laws are the NFA of 1934 and subsequent revisions, the GCA of 1968, and the Brady Bill of 1993. I also include the "plastic guns" and "cop killer bullet" bans. FixNICS and the bump stock ban being done by the BATFE are recent and should need no citations, but from the horse's mouth:

"Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."

"NRA's Support for the National Instant Criminal Background System: Fact Checking the Fact Checker", on the NRA ILA's site, anything by Stephen Halbrook you can take to the bank.

"Fix NICS Bill Would Help Block Gun Sales to Peaceful People"

I hope the Firearm Owner's Protection Act of of 1986 is not in question, for its no new machine guns poison pill. The Brady Bill is a bit complicated, in that the NRA's "compromise" was to fight the 5 day waiting period tooth and nail, in favor of the NICS, which they proudly and often support.

Also from the NRA's mouth: "Federal law passed in 1988, crafted with the NRA’s support, makes it unlawful to manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive an undetectable firearm."

Blogger Random #57 December 22, 2018 10:15 AM  

Now, an archived 2002 posting from the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, a very hard core group prior to the recent death of its founder, this org/site now is owned by a grifter, Federal felon, compromiser or worse. A break off group named after the JPFO founder, The Zelman Partisans, is more likely to be acting in the original spirit.

"NRA Supported the National Firearms Act of 1934" also covers the GCA, and note the mention of their claim that Dodd the Senator, the corrupt father of the more recent and corrupt but not punished for it Chris Dodd, of Dodd-Frank and Irish real estate infamy, based the GCA on the Wiemar/Nazi gun control laws. To really prove this for yourself, you'd need to be able to read German, and take a visit to the Library of Congress.

The claim is that while he was participating in the Nuremberg trials, the body of relevant German law for his duties also contained their firearms laws. And in the 1960s, he asked the Library of Congress for an independent translation of this text. And of course that both match up very well with large parts of the GCA of 1968.

"10 Surprising Facts About the NRA That You Never Hear" NFA, GCA, and the post Virginia Tech 2008 "NICS Improvement Act". The problem there was that while the state court made a determination that met the threshold for a GCA ban based on involuntary commitment, it was outpatient instead of the "normal" inpatient type you think of. They didn't forward this to the NICS, so the shooter was able to buy his guns normally at a gun store.

And now for three links that cover the accepted basics of the NFA and GCA:

"7 things you probably didn’t know about the NRA", NFA and the ban on mail order guns in the GCA.

"The surprising history of the NRA" NFA, GCA.

"The NRA once supported gun control" ditto, plus some other stuff.

I'll add that former NRA President Charleston Heston (a position with absolutely no power, he's just a talking head, why Oliver North is the current one), in finale of Dodd's decade or longer attempt to control guns (he in fact wanted to ban all civilian gun ownership), appeared in a commercial of cowboy actors advocating for the law. Fast forward to the era where "assault weapons" replaced "Saturday Night Specials" as the gun grabbers' obsession, on a radio show he floated a trial balloon for the NRA to thrown AK-47 etc. owners to the wolves.

This did no go over well, and for the first and so far last time in its history, the NRA absolutely and totally opposed a Federal gun ban, Clinton's "assault weapons" one stuck into his general crime bill (that might be the one targeting "super-predators" that because of her advocacy for it using that phrase got Hillary in hot water in 2016, blacks did not vote for her like the did for Obama).

That plus the Brady bill, according to Bill Clinton, were responsible for the GOP taking control of both houses of the Congress in 1994 for the first time since the 1950s. At which point we started learning that the GOPe was utterly useless, imagine if they'd held the administration's feet to the fires they started in Waco? The FBI's Hostage "Rescue" Team's leadership's clear plan to kill the surviving Branch Davidians, if thoroughly exposed could have started draining the Swamp in 1995. Our sort of government isn't supposed to be openly operating a death squad, like there and at Ruby Ridge.

Blogger Random #57 December 22, 2018 10:27 AM  

Now odds and ends, first two items on the NRA's "Cop-Killer Bullet" "compromise". The gun grabbers wanted to essentially ban all centerfire rifle ammo, using the excuse that it will penetrate the highest level of soft body armor, which is simply not designed for that, nor is the technology remotely capable. You need hard plates, typically made from steel, cheap, but heavy and subject to spalling, very long chain polyethylene, light, but has to be ~2 inches thick, and not tolerant of the heat that develops in a closed car or its trunk, or special ceramics with a backing of Kevlar, and the lighter ones require a high level soft vest behind them.

So the NRA managed to hold them to a ban of "pure" armor piecing ammo, where almost all the bullet is made of a hard material like steel or tungsten. Obama's BATFE tried to extend this to the SS109 based M855 green tip ammo, which has a small pellet of steel, but in this and the original determination on bump stocks, his BATFE was more honest and lawful than Trump's, at least once their feet were held to the fire. On the other hand, see Fast and Furious....

"`COP-KILLER` BULLETS FOCUS OF NEW FIGHT"

"The Return of a Legislative Legend" Details on the NRA's "compromise".

And I'll close with this clear and present danger, which is already being used to kill gun owners: "Under pressure, NRA voices support for gun violence restraining orders" but that's not Federal. Yet.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 22, 2018 10:32 AM  

Yes Random I know what a Fudd is. I asked *where* the Fudds were.

Blogger Random #57 December 22, 2018 10:57 AM  

@152 Stg58/Animal Mother:

Yes Random I know what a Fudd is. I asked *where* the Fudds were.

Glad to hear that, since my misreading of your query caused you to lose a lot of credibility.

The Fudd is of course here, plus of course all across America.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 22, 2018 11:01 AM  

Stg58, fudd-ism is a special case of cuckservatism, so they are found wherever cucks gather, but especially NRA banquets and rod and gun clubs.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 22, 2018 12:16 PM  

I'm building an 11" SBR FN-FAL right now. I KNOW WHAT A FUDD IS.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 22, 2018 12:43 PM  

I figured you knew, but I was amusing myself. I'll stop now.

Since this thread has gotten firmly off track anyway, have you tried loading with a fast powder to reduce muzzle flash and maybe improve performance in those crazy short barrels?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 22, 2018 12:56 PM  

When I get to that point, I'll experiment with different ammunition and do some research. I know another guy who built an 11" barrel. I'll see what he's found to be the best ammo is.

I just picked up a few hundred rounds of LC 7.62. I hope that will be good eating for it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 22, 2018 2:28 PM  

The adjustable gas mechanism should be able to handle almost anything. That's one of the coolest features of our old guns.

I've never been into short barrels, so I've never looked into it, but you've got me wondering if it's possible to develop a .308 load that will mostly burn inside an 11" barrel.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 22, 2018 3:13 PM  

Absolutely there are. DSA sells a ton of these 8"-13" barrels.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 24, 2018 2:50 AM  

"IMHO, Trump needs a WH shakeup really badly."

More than that, he needs to fire every single person who is employed by the Special Executive Service.

These people are paid MORE than the President, and have more power than cabinet members, and a lot of them aren't even permanent residents, let alone citizens.

Post a Comment

Rules of the blog
Please do not comment as "Anonymous". Comments by "Anonymous" will be spammed.

<< Home

Newer Posts Older Posts