Monday, December 03, 2018

The Tenth Circle

John Derbyshire proposes a useful addition to Dante's Nine Circles of Hell:
If I had written The Divine Comedy I would have added an extra ditch to the ninth circle of Hell—where dwell traitors, fraudsters, and sowers of discord—for the Nation Wreckers.

Putting together my Radio Derb podcast for November 16th I thought I should say something about the Brexit business, now coming to some kind of climax. I haven’t followed the negotiations, and am anyway out of touch with British politics; but it’s plain the Brits are having much difficulty wriggling free of the European Union and setting sail once again as an independent sovereign nation.

That’s a reminder of the cosmic principle that some processes are hard to reverse. “The toothpaste’s out of the tube,” we say; or in Chinese, “The wood has been made into a boat” (木已成舟).

It’s also a reminder of how glibly the Brits were talked into this nation-sized death-trap.

There are some in this country who fear that in going into Europe we shall in some way sacrifice independence and sovereignty. These fears, I need hardly say, are completely unjustified.

That was Prime Minister Ted Heath in 1973. Heath would be one of those I’d expect to find in the Nation Wreckers Ditch, along with the unspeakable Tony Blair from the following generation, and Cameron the Clueless and May the Mediocrity from more recent years.

There’d be plenty of Americans in there, too. The U.S. equivalent of Heath’s assurance was of course Ted Kennedy’s speech to the Senate when moving the 1965 Immigration Act:

First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same … Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset …

Into the ditch with him!—and Hart and Celler and McCain and Schumer and Ryan and McConnell, and all the liars, fraudsters, and fools of Britain and the U.S.A. who, from either malice or stupidity, transformed settled, stable, well-governed nations that did not want or need transforming into Afro-Latino-Islamo-style corruptocracies.
I don't think a ditch in the Ninth Circle is sufficient. Grant them their own deeper circle filled with even more hellish torments, for they are literally the very worst people that history has ever known. Even the great evils of history, the Arnolds, the Quislings, the Hitlers, and the Stalins were not as awful as the glib-tongued Nation Wreckers have proven to be.

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Blogger CarpeOro December 03, 2018 2:03 PM  

Agreed. Those who betray the trust they are given have committed two evils - they have talked those whom they are supposed to protect into actions that have harming their posterity while promising that no such harm will come of their actions.

Blogger John Russo December 03, 2018 2:07 PM  

Proverbs 6:16-19 New International Version (NIV)
16 There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

New International Version (NIV)

This is the demonocrat party.

Blogger Damn Crackers December 03, 2018 2:11 PM  

I'd be happy if they were forced to eat excrement like the gluttonous in the third circle. Maybe we can make them BEFORE they perish.

Blogger electricsheeple December 03, 2018 2:15 PM  

Well put Vox.

Blogger DonReynolds December 03, 2018 2:18 PM  

"First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same … Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset …"

I wish I had been listening to the speech and could have asked one simple question of Ted Kennedy....

If this bill is not going to change anything, why is it needed so desperately?

Of course, I was not there and even if I had been....would not have been allowed to question Ted Kennedy, even once. For that, we have two Senators from our state, who could have asked the same question but did not. "Representative Democracy" does not seem to represent us very well, certainly not the roughly half or more who voted against the Congressmen and Senators, who sit as a divided body.

Blogger Ryan G December 03, 2018 2:18 PM  

"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

― Marcus Tullius Cicero

Blogger Johnny December 03, 2018 2:29 PM  

If I lived in Britain I would be just so pissed about this Brexit foot dragging stuff.

Blogger Mocheirge December 03, 2018 2:44 PM  

Pikes. There need to be pikes.

Blogger CONFIDENCE Man December 03, 2018 2:44 PM  

Guess who we have to thank for Dieversity Visas?

"I am also pleased to note that this Act facilitates immigration not just in numerical terms, but also in terms of basic entry rights of those beyond our borders." - George H. W. Bush.

Blogger Lovekraft December 03, 2018 2:48 PM  

There is a current suppression of alt-right concepts/arguments, due to various reasons. Started shortly after C'Ville and still around. A waiting period while the battle for the levers of power go on over our heads.

I think we may be approaching a release of a lot of anger (at least in the area of which I'm speaking) that could be the end of Political Correctness once and for all. The weight of PC dogma has become too heavy to sustain without further oppression.

Blogger Lance E December 03, 2018 3:18 PM  

I object to the characterization of May as a mediocrity. She's a very savvy nation-wrecker who's been carefully and deliberately demoralizing the English while she works to dilute the Brexit and transfer as much power as possible to the invaders.

Blogger John Best December 03, 2018 3:28 PM  

Ask them to repent and seek forgiveness and absolution from God and the nation for what they have prepetrated on their people. If not, give them the tub and move on. Like Charles II killed everybody who signed the death warrant of his father, then let everybody live.

The good news in Britain is that the DUP holds the balance of power in Parliament, and they are now the most powerful party in Britain. So the Conservatives can't retreat under globalist pressure like they always have done. I can see the High Tory, DUP and the old white working class socialists within Labour forming an alliances. With the Conservative party being the new globalist party. The DUP are going to defeat the Lundy deal put forward by May, and then we leave the EU. Then comes the constitution crisis as the current constitutional settlement is broken. Things are getting interesting in Britain now, about time.

Anonymous Anonymous December 03, 2018 3:29 PM  

In the Tenth Circle the traitors would be made to endure the blessings of diversity without fences or walls or secret service cordons.

Blogger pdwalker December 03, 2018 3:37 PM  

Can’t argue with that. These are the worst kind of traitors.

Blogger Unknown December 03, 2018 3:38 PM  

"Nation Wreckers" is an epithet for the Jews.

Blogger Nate73 December 03, 2018 3:45 PM  

Can someone clarify was it the 1965 act itself that led to the current levels or was there additional actions after that? For example I've heard most of the immigration and H1B stuff didn't accelerate until the 80s.

Blogger xevious2030 December 03, 2018 3:49 PM  


Blogger Dos Voltz December 03, 2018 3:49 PM  

Bravo and Amen!!

The good ol' USA can be restored with just 50 bulldozers and a mile long pit. (Well, then you gotta add some elbow grease...)

Blogger DraveckysHumerus December 03, 2018 3:49 PM  

There is a loving reason for burning evil ones at the stake. It helps prepare them for the eternal torments to come.

Anonymous Anonymous December 03, 2018 3:51 PM  

H1Bs really ramped up during the dot com bubble, because IT wonks were getting the same perks and salaries (sometimes more) as executives, and plainly that had to be stopped.

So, dilute the market with 10 million half-literate savages who need instructions on which way to sit a toilet seat and e voila; job done.

Blogger Pierre Truc December 03, 2018 4:05 PM  

> Grant them their own deeper circle filled with even more hellish torments

My first thought was, if extra hands are needed to shovel the burning coals to keep'em sizzling, I'm thinking about volunteering.

Blogger Peaceful Poster December 03, 2018 4:10 PM  

Peter Turchin has written about the 50 year cycle of political violence. Of course, the last episode was in 1968, exactly 50 years ago. Ironically, the current protests are about reversing the consequences of the last protests!


Blogger J johnson December 03, 2018 4:40 PM  

these were all boomers?

Blogger wahr01 December 03, 2018 4:46 PM  

Add to that the entire GOP contingent in office, including Trump, who are not demanding "Ballot Harvesting" be invalidated and anyone who won via this blatant box-stuffing technique be nullified.

Blogger Duke Norfolk December 03, 2018 4:52 PM  

CONFIDENCE Man wrote:Guess who we have to thank for Dieversity Visas?

George H. W. Bush

Yep, into the 10th circle with him and his POS sons too. They'll have a ton of company, of course. No shortage of traitors in our time.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 03, 2018 5:05 PM  


"There is a loving reason for burning evil ones at the stake. It helps prepare them for the eternal torments to come."

It's a warm-up exercise for the condemned.

Blogger FrankNorman December 03, 2018 5:16 PM  

the only real reason that the British are trouble 'wriggling free" as that author puts it is that that politicians do not really want to do it. They have nuclear weapons. if they wanted to they could just declare Independence tomorrow and dare the Europeans to do anything about it.

Blogger RC December 03, 2018 5:23 PM  


If you haven't seen this immigration map, you'll find it enlightening.

There may be others, but Reagan legalized illegals in 86 if I recall correctly. GHWB got in the act later. You know about Obama. The '65 act set the table and was passed out of the senate with a huge margin, 76 yea. Sad. I hope there's plenty of room in VD's 10th circle.

Blogger RC December 03, 2018 5:31 PM  

Also of note, only the senators from the Old South voted in unison against the '65 abomination.

Blogger MrNiceguy December 03, 2018 5:31 PM  

In the case of Ted Kennedy, I'm not sure we need an additional circle. He already qualifies for most of the 9.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 03, 2018 5:31 PM  

@28 Reagan signed the amnesty in exchange for a promise to build a border fence, which, of course, the Democrats had absolutely ZERO intent on honoring once they got their 8M illegals amnestied.

Blogger RC December 03, 2018 5:39 PM  

Yes Dirk. And I knew at the time that he was either complicit or getting snookered. I'll bet you did too.

Blogger Marcus Marcellus December 03, 2018 5:51 PM  

Doth Protest Too Much, Methinks! Funny that a ridiculous man who has done HIS OWN PART to ethnically transform America with his mail order bride and mixed-non-European children makes a career out complaining that his adopted nation is not white enough when he is the only white man in his house.
Maybe by pointing the finger at THEM no one will notice ME. Ridiculous, grotesque, unaware man.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey December 03, 2018 6:07 PM  

It’s also a reminder of how glibly the Brits were talked into this nation-sized death-trap.

They may have been "talked into" the EU, at least in some sense, but a lot of the invasion was implemented in a much more underhanded fashion.

Fun fact: Britain was >99.9% white at the end of WW2.

Blogger flyingtiger December 03, 2018 6:27 PM  

The immigration act of 1990 created the America you see now. It doubled the amount of legal immigration, lottery immigration and more. George HW Walker is to blame. His son tried to exceed his father, but was too incompetent.

Blogger Katusov December 03, 2018 6:47 PM  

John Derbyshire did not get the memo. A tenth level of Hell was already added a while ago.

Blogger Doug Cranmer December 03, 2018 6:51 PM  

It must have been so nice. Just being around your own people. Your own culture.

Blogger Rough Carrigan December 03, 2018 7:19 PM  

If not a tenth circle, they could go into that pit full of Popes.

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 03, 2018 7:22 PM  

Never forget that we're referring to people who were VOTED FOR and the only way to fix a democracy is with civil war and physical removal.
With a bad king, you hang the king and maybe his heirs too.
With democracy... well... anything from laying siege to a city to using nukes is justified. That's the only way to fix "hiding in a voting booth and destroying lives anonymously".
Or as described by Gibson's Ben Martin character: "Trade 1 tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants one mile away".

Blogger wahr01 December 03, 2018 8:02 PM  


"we're referring to people who were VOTED FOR"

No, we're not.
Welcome to the voter fraud method called "Ballot Harvesting".
Partisan "activists" simply show up at polling stations with boxes full of ballots.
No chain of custody, no proof they're from actual people, nothing.

And even if they are from actual people, they're selectively inclusive of only one faction, which is arguably running afoul of the Voting Rights Act (imagine the riots if it came out alt-right activists were doing this for 'white households only' in the south)

Blogger Scott Birch December 03, 2018 8:18 PM  

"Glib-tongued nation-wreckers." It's dialectic. Pure taxonomy. I like it.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( everything has Consequences. that what makes them Consequences ) December 03, 2018 8:28 PM  

35. flyingtiger December 03, 2018 6:27 PM
George HW Walker is to blame. His son tried to exceed his father, but was too incompetent.

can you believe these idiots are trying to credit GHWB with ending the Cold War?

the only people said to see "No New Taxes" kick the bucket are all of the Gay Old Pedophiles.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 03, 2018 9:30 PM  

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Blogger pyrrhus December 04, 2018 7:51 AM  

There's nothing difficult about Brexit...Just leave, stop paying bilions to the bloodsuckers in Brussels and negotiate new trade agreements. No country wants to give up trade with the UK. But the upper classes and bureaucrats are trying to sabotage the will of the people, as usual, and almost succeeded...

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