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Sunday, December 23, 2018

Trump's READ MY LIPS moment

Roger Kimball has correctly identified the government shutdown over the wall as the key nexus of Donald Trump's presidency:
George Bush was a gentleman. He didn’t like it when people called him mean names. He was offended when the media ganged up on him and said he was a terrible person. So he caved. He didn’t want to. He said he didn’t want to. He probably thought about saying he did it only as a “last resort.” Doubtless the memory of politicians checking into that resort stopped him.

There is a lesson in Bush’s pursed lips for President Trump. Bush was elected in large part because of his promise not to raise taxes. Similarly, a major reason that Donald Trump was elected was his promise to build a wall on our southern border. The wall was just a synecdoche for border security and an America-first immigration policy. But it was a vivid, concrete (no pun intended) manifestation of that determination. It was, politically, the sine qua non of that policy.

President Trump has kept an astonishing number of his campaign promises, from his Scalia-like judicial nominations to moving our Israeli embassy to Jerusalem. He has begun hacking away at the stifling regulatory environment built up by the administrative state and he has inaugurated a much-needed renovation of the United States military. He has cut taxes (though not enough) and eviscerated Obamacare. He has, just a few days ago, announced that the United States would be pulling out of Syria and there are plans, at long last, to bring our troops home from Afghanistan. Promises made, promises kept.

But there is one critical promise he has, so far, been unable to keep. The wall. He has to build the wall. It was the cornerstone of his campaign.

Again, the wall, like lines in the Constitution if you are a left-wing jurist, has plenty of emanations and penumbras. It means robust border control. It means an America-first immigration policy. It means lots of things.

But the wall is the indispensable objective correlative of those things. Donald Trump has to build the wall, and he has to be seen to have built the wall. If not, he will lose in 2020.
It's very simple and straightforward. If the God-Emperor builds the wall, he will win in a Trumpslide. If he does not, he will probably lose despite all the advantages enjoyed by an incumbent President. This should not be a difficult decision for him, no matter what pressure is directed at him by the media, by the Democrats, or by the Republican Party establishment.

Build the wall and win, fail to build the wall and lose. This isn't something that can be finessed, negotiated, or explained away. Build the wall or lose like a bitch named Bush.

Trump supporters care about two things. Build the Wall and Drain the Swamp. Everything else - literally everything else - is tertiary at best. It's time to focus, Mr. President. Nothing else matters.

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135 Comments:

Blogger Evan Hartshorn December 23, 2018 8:31 AM  

Amen.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 23, 2018 8:52 AM  

This is the hill I want to die on. I have chosen this hill which means I have chosen the consequences. There is nothing else at this time.

Blogger Nate December 23, 2018 9:03 AM  

Failure to Wall is an impeachable offense.

Blogger Weak December 23, 2018 9:05 AM  

The only alternative to building the wall would be if the entire Q conspiracy is true and he purges the traitors in a blaze of military tribunals.

Preferably he does both.

Blogger The Cooler December 23, 2018 9:11 AM  

One may not fly into flying but one does indeed wall into walling, Mr. President.

Blogger camcleat December 23, 2018 9:14 AM  

"Build The Wall, Deport Them All" was excellent rhetoric. It really triggered the opposition with high chantability.

Fictional Col. Jessup said we WANT him on the wall, we NEED him on the wall. Very true, Colonel, but we need THE WALL first, eh?

Blogger Rick December 23, 2018 9:17 AM  

All that is true. There will be consequences. We’re in a blinking contest. The question is, who does VD think will blink first? Shoomy or GE?
I think Shoom is beta, at best. But if there’s pressure on each of them, the pressure comes from different sources. So I think it’s really a contest between the sources.

Blogger Brian Dean December 23, 2018 9:19 AM  

Let's hope the Mexicans don't discover this highly advanced level of technology.

https://ibb.co/ns8Gswk

Blogger Rick December 23, 2018 9:24 AM  

I’m leaning toward: Trump has a plan to use funds from somewhere else and the military to build the wall. But he is using this blinking contest as an added benefit because there is added value in using it to expose the left that they are truly anti-American as it is anti-American to not want common sense border protection. He is doing more than build the wall. If he built it, it wouldn’t be on the front page. This blinking contest is forcing everyone to pay attention to it. It forces the media to cover it.

Blogger marknivenczy December 23, 2018 9:24 AM  

LOL on Bush "caving" because he is a "gentleman".

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 23, 2018 9:27 AM  

On a side note, I'm feeling an energy about this standoff over the gov't shutdown due to the wall. It feels like a good energy, something akin to the meme wars which preceded the 2016 general election. I could be wrong.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 23, 2018 9:28 AM  

President Trump has kept an astonishing number of his campaign promises

One story of the Trump presidency is how effective the media is at keeping even his supporters from seeing this. Every promise kept is forgotten a week later, or the goalposts are moved so it didn't count.

That's why the Wall is so important. It's not just promise #1. It's also something so tangible that it wouldn't be possible for them to gaslight Americans into forgetting that it happened. It's something he can give regular progress reports on. Everyone's probably seen those "0 miles built today" memes. Reports of "X miles finished today between Y and Z" would be a huge boost for his supporters and could be run weekly along with pictures. Make it feel like a national project we're all pulling for.

Blogger Vessimede Barstool December 23, 2018 9:32 AM  

It's such a no brainer that the alpha testing he performed, in signalling a budget deal with the Senate minus wall funding, seemed to this minion bizarre and needless. What exactly did he think the reaction of the base would be to this?

So alpha complete, with predictable result, we now move on to the beta. What's the end game? Does Trump want to win a second term? I think so. Is he being blackmailed behind the scenes? Has Mueller dug up dirt on (((Jared)))? Will he cave on the wall to save Ivanka? If he thinks he can cut a deal like that then he's an idiot (and the GE is no idiot). His only protection are his 100 million supporters and the certainty of a civil war if he's railroaded out of office. Every action the deep state has taken against him is always played out against this backdrop. There is no gathering of 'evidence' no case being built against him, Mueller's investigation is a charade meant for Democrats and children. No they want to unman him in the eyes of his supporters, once the base deserts then they'll make their move, Trump knows this of that I'm sure.

So I can't think of a single reason why the GE would cuck on this, not one. He has to go full bore, both for his country and his family. But a small nagging voice keeps telling me that maybe Coulter is right about him.

Blogger Lazarus December 23, 2018 9:40 AM  

Vessimede Barstool wrote:a small nagging voice keeps telling me that maybe Coulter is right about him.

The small nagging voice IS Coulter.

Blogger Rick December 23, 2018 9:41 AM  

The only people begging him to fold is the media.

Blogger Jo K December 23, 2018 9:45 AM  

The wall is important, yes. Trump should keep the government shut down, use the military to build the wall, do whatever's necessary. I agree with all of that.

But it's not the only important thing. Indictments on several key individuals would secure a, as you call it, Trumpslide. If Trump didn't manage to fund the wall, but his justice system took down Hillary and Comey and the lot then Trump's second term would still be assured.

It's all part of the make America great again thing. Two major fights here. One defensive, protecting the border against external threats. The other arguably offensive, protecting the spirit of the country against internal threats. The importance of both are roughly equal. Providing either to the base would assure his second term.

Blogger Duke Norfolk December 23, 2018 10:21 AM  

Vessimede Barstool wrote:His only protection are his 100 million supporters and the certainty of a civil war if he's railroaded out of office.

Yes. At some point this would seem to be about saving himself (his legacy, and literally) and his family from the pack of demons who want him dead.

Hopefully between his ego and his desire for his family not to be destroyed, he will hold fast and start getting more aggressive.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz December 23, 2018 10:27 AM  

For me, he has to be truly trying and not caving. If he can win this battle and get funding, there will most likely be court challenges, particularly environmental challenges that could hold up construction in the courts for quite a while. This is why this needed to have been started 2 years ago. He should have forced Congress to override his veto. His base would have a lot more confidence in him today.
On a related not, why does it cost 5 BILLION dollars to build 215 miles of wall? That is 4,500 per foot of wall!

Blogger Dos Voltz December 23, 2018 10:27 AM  

The reason that the wall is SO important to us reasonable Americans is that it is, for the most part, a one time cost (if it's done right, no half-assed "fences" please) with a 95% "effective" rating.

We could have built something 40 years ago at 1/8th the present cost and we'd be spending just a pittance annually on maintenance. And would have saved 100s of billions of $$$ (perhaps trillions?) on hospital care, welfare, housing, education, other social services, law enforcement; all of which are currently being raped/exhausted by a tidal wave of peasantry who will only vote D.

In other words, the sooner we build the damn thing, the sooner we reap the benefits. It is literally one of those things that pays for itself in very short order.

But the democrats favorite refrain (when ostensibly protecting heritage American citizens) is that it's too expensive. Things are ALWAYS more expensive RIGHT NOW (unless we're talking about endless wars in the ME to protect Israel's borders). So in typical Boomer fashion, let's kick the can down the road. Maybe the next generation can afford it. Or maybe the one after that...

Notice - that moment NEVER arrives.

Honestly, the USA would have been maintained as a near paradise if we had just installed the cast of Hee-Haw in the 1970s as the permanent political class, rather than all these (((Ivy League))) Israel-Mexico First traitors.

Blogger Winston Smith December 23, 2018 10:31 AM  

Someone needs to explain to him that he is the first President whose very life and family may depend on him keeping his promises. If he loses in 2020, there is a very good chance that whoever replaces him will declare open war on him, his family and his corporations. He very well may die in prison if he doesn't drain the swamp and build the wall because the swamp will regroup and subject him to an inquisition we've never seen.

Blogger pyrrhus December 23, 2018 10:32 AM  

Immigrants are costing the US at all levels of government, at least $300 billion per year...the Wall will cost a few billion...But the anti-American cucks claim it's too expensive...

Blogger pyrrhus December 23, 2018 10:35 AM  

@20 " If he loses in 2020, there is a very good chance that whoever replaces him will declare open war on him, his family and his corporations."

Absolutely, and I think this has started to sink in with Trump as the Mueller witch hunt metastasizes to include Trump Jr. and all kinds of people whose only crime is associating with Trump.

Blogger Nate73 December 23, 2018 10:37 AM  

What is going to be the response if Trump forces the wall through via something like justifying it as a military expenditure?

Blogger Tars Tarkusz December 23, 2018 10:37 AM  

Rick wrote:All that is true. There will be consequences. We’re in a blinking contest. The question is, who does VD think will blink first? Shoomy or GE?

I think Shoom is beta, at best. But if there’s pressure on each of them, the pressure comes from different sources. So I think it’s really a contest between the sources.


Theoretically Trump has the upper hand here. The GOP has shut down the gov a number of times in the last 10 years. The GOP base doesn't care about the gov shutdown for the most part.

Blogger Cary December 23, 2018 10:45 AM  

This is probably too dialectical, but the $5 billion Trump request is literally a pittance of 0.11% 2019 spending. Vastly larger items than this get stuck in these spending bills all the time.

I know that even the MPAI public likely understands the opposition is ideological and not practical, but I'm not sure supporters even grasp how small this request actually is. If the God Emperor can't win this one, it will be demoralizing. Stand firm sir. We support you.

Blogger ash December 23, 2018 10:48 AM  

Meanwhile, the GOP has completely gone mad...
https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=59595

Blogger ash December 23, 2018 10:49 AM  

Headline for previous comment:
"Priorities: 'Syria Is Crumbling And We're Talking About A F**king Wall,' GOP Senator Laments"

Yes, the GOP is fucking nuts.

Blogger Matt December 23, 2018 10:56 AM  

What a sick world. Imagine a stupid wall to keep out invaders being a sticking point. I want to kill so many liberals. I want to kill so many RINOS.

Blogger Cataline Sergius December 23, 2018 10:57 AM  

It's now or never. His biggest obstacle to the Wall was a Republican controlled House and their TERROR of losing their majority due to a shutdown.

That is no longer in play.

The Democrats will have the media completely on their side but time won't be. It's their pet leeches that are most vulnerable to a shutdown.

The end will be in sight, when you start seeing stories about how it won't really matter if there is a Wall or not because a barrier won't stop illegals. So just let the Orange Baby have his bottle.

But if Trump caves there is no point in him running for re-election. Trumps's survival is on the line and he knows it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 23, 2018 10:59 AM  

There are two men to which we can compare Trump: the man we thought we were electing, and the man we need to get our nation back on track.

Compared to the man we thought we were electing, the man in office is pretty amazing. Compared to the man we need, the man in office is pretty lacking, so far.

Actual progress on The Big Beautiful Wall is one thing that's lacking, swamp draining is another. Those are both practical and symbolic necessities. We also need him to lead a pivot away from full-retard civic nationalism to a realization that Magic Dirt doesn't work on everyone. If the man in office has a plan to be the man we need, his plan is heavily back-end loaded, because he hasn't made visible progress on any of it, yet.

Blogger pyrrhus December 23, 2018 11:03 AM  

Trump can definitely build the wall as CnC by declaring a state of emergency on the border and sending in the Army Corps....Problem is, he will then have to be ready to defy the black robed commies in the District courts.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 23, 2018 11:07 AM  

marknivenczy wrote:LOL on Bush "caving" because he is a "gentleman".

He was either a traitor who played a gentleman, or a gentleman who played traitor. Both, either way. As a gentleman, he's an object lesson: we must never let our principles keep us from doing what's right.

Blogger Avalanche December 23, 2018 11:14 AM  

@8 "Let's hope the Mexicans don't discover this highly advanced level of technology."

Hey troll-y -- we've got your answer right here: goes back to the Middle Ages!

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/e/ee/Burning_Oil.jpg/240px-Burning_Oil.jpg

Blogger Ingot9455 December 23, 2018 11:14 AM  

When Obama had a government shutdown, he had all his people shut down stuff that screwed with things Republicans like.

Have we stopped the Planned Parenthood checks yet?

Blogger Avalanche December 23, 2018 11:19 AM  

@12 "Reports of "X miles finished today between Y and Z" would be a huge boost for his supporters and could be run weekly along with pictures. Make it feel like a national project we're all pulling for."

Yeah, I keep 'reporting' to my unconvinced friends:
$15,875,124 of $1.0B goal
Raised by 260,746 people in 6 days
(and it's barely into the 6th day!)

Some have asked: WHAT made the congress back down a bit on this?
My answer: Could be this is the FIRST the filth in congress have HEARD about how Americans feel about it since 2016! The media won't cover the God Emperor's insanely popular rallies -- so we're all feeling a bit alone. (Which is why the MSM is hiding them!)

But that sense of isolation is a mirage! We're part of a HUGE group willing to put our money up to help our President and our country!

What could be clearer? An "every-man pledge drive" -- with almost no "MSM" coverage -- and it's really succeeding!

Blogger Crew December 23, 2018 11:20 AM  

Metallica had it correct!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7bIbVlIqEc

Build the wall! Nothing Else Matters!

Blogger Dave December 23, 2018 11:22 AM  

If Trump didn't manage to fund the wall, but his justice system took down Hillary and Comey and the lot then Trump's second term would still be assured.

Give it up already. It's not his justice system, it's one of the most entrenched areas of the swamp and they've only dug in even deeper the last two years under Sessions. Trump's only assurance for reelection is to build the wall.

Blogger Avalanche December 23, 2018 11:25 AM  

@16 "If Trump didn't manage to fund the wall, but his justice system took down Hillary and Comey and the lot then Trump's second term would still be assured."

Oh I disagree completely! Even with all of the Obama/Clinton slime in jail -- or publicly executed and hanging from lamp posts all over the country! With no wall: EVERY STATE will go Democrat just by demographics. The Wall is necessary!

All the deportations and promises for the past 40-50 YEARS have done nothing! Cannot do anything! If you cannot keep the termites (ha) out of the "foundation" -- then even if you cover the house in 'protective technology' -- without the wall, it's O.V.E.R.

Blogger Avalanche December 23, 2018 11:27 AM  

@23 "What is going to be the response if Trump forces the wall through via something like justifying it as a military expenditure?"

Uhhhh, we get a big beautiful wall?!?

Blogger OneWingedShark December 23, 2018 11:32 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:President Trump has kept an astonishing number of his campaign promises

One story of the Trump presidency is how effective the media is at keeping even his supporters from seeing this. Every promise kept is forgotten a week later, or the goalposts are moved so it didn't count.

That's why the Wall is so important. It's not just promise #1. It's also something so tangible that it wouldn't be possible for them to gaslight Americans into forgetting that it happened. It's something he can give regular progress reports on. Everyone's probably seen those "0 miles built today" memes. Reports of "X miles finished today between Y and Z" would be a huge boost for his supporters and could be run weekly along with pictures. Make it feel like a national project we're all pulling for.

Exactly this - the Wall would be absolute proof that can't be swept under the rug.

Duke Norfolk wrote:Vessimede Barstool wrote:His only protection are his 100 million supporters and the certainty of a civil war if he's railroaded out of office.

Yes. At some point this would seem to be about saving himself (his legacy, and literally) and his family from the pack of demons who want him dead.

Hopefully between his ego and his desire for his family not to be destroyed, he will hold fast and start getting more aggressive.

I think the same; the best way to fight back is to gather support by keeping his campaign promises -- as Damelon Brinn states most of the promises that are being kept are being swept under the rug by the MSM.

Blogger Didas Kalos December 23, 2018 11:39 AM  

@10 ( LOL on Bush "caving" because he is a "gentleman". ) Laughing because of his naivety. Not because of GWB real character. Evil person. Besides he never ever intended to not raise taxes. HIs goals as president. Destroy Reagans accomplishments, continue the so-called Right/Left division, pave the way for a sorry Bill Clinton to get elected, and accelerate the Globalistic mindset of our government and citizens.

Blogger ash December 23, 2018 11:39 AM  

@38 @16

If Trump doesn't build the wall, he and our country are both finished. He may win reelection either way, especially if the Dems run some converged candidate that even the Blacks hate, but it won't matter, because the next civil war will start under his tenure, and when it's done, it won't be much of a United States left.

If minorities and Jews want to have a chance of staying in this country safely, they better hope Trump builds the wall, and fast. That would give the country some time to calm down.

I say this with nothing against Jews and other minorities, unlike many other commenters here. But they'd better be aware of the facts, as people like me are going to be in the minority if the pre-1965 ratio isn't restored, and the wall isn't built.

Blogger Hammerli280 December 23, 2018 11:44 AM  

There's no need for a wall. None. Just station troops along the border and give the order to shoot anyone coming north.

A wall is a symbol. The willingness to defend your border is the substance.

Blogger Jo K December 23, 2018 11:46 AM  

@37 Dave "Give it up already."

Loser talk. That's what that is.

First, I don't predict anything. I'm just pointing at the pulse of things. Personally, I was disheartened pretty early on when Trump didn't push forward on the "Lock her up" angle.

But the idea of saying "give it up" is ... while understandably cynical ... it's loser talk. Imagine the founders of the country sitting around talking about revolution and then one fellow says "give it up already."

Well, maybe some things are worth not giving up on.

Blogger tz December 23, 2018 11:50 AM  

Several things came together

First GHWB's funeral - everyone remembered "read my lips".

Second, Trump doubling down, then when "an unidentified WH spokesman" said kick the can, Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh and everyone else went ballistic. I think the leak was to confirm who would stand with Trump.

Third, CNN (MSM) has been 90% negative against Trump for the last 3 years. It was different where the Bushes were occasionally praised for their brilliant cucking, so 60% negative to 80% negative or 40% negative matters. What is CNN going to do? Cut out the commercials to increase the anti-Trump airtime?

Fourth, the big moment was originally in march and you can find the criticism at this very blog. What the Swamp's strategy was to do series of CRs that never contained wall funding. March was a big kick the can, then another and another. I think the midterms were weakened by having a CR instead of a shutdown then. Then when 12/8 came around, yet another CR until 12/21 which would be the last one until the house flipped.

Fifth, this is now the SECOND *SCHUMER* Shutdown. We saw how fast Schumer melted just under a year ago when there was a bill that even added some amnesty next to comprehensive immigration reform. Schumer is either arrogant, stupid, and/or has a short memory.

Only last week did it become a read my lips moment - but note the subtlety, it isn't I'll cut your taxes, but later, later, later, it is I will build the wall, later, later, later...

The delay and defer is one of the swampiest tactics. I think it was what got Trump nominated when Ryan included more than Obama wanted in that Omnibus and more, then had symbolic votes so Obama could veto defunding Planned Parenthood - the Shutdown became a weapon of the left and the Swamp

At each CR including March, the base told Trump, SHUT DOWN THE (even those that normally don't swear) DAMN GOVERNMENT! This would be the last practical chance, so it was clear that either the wall would be funded, NOW or NEVER.

CNN-MSM would be 3% more negative, including over Syria (strange how the left switches), but his base would have abandoned him over this. They might be happy with the judges, and the other policies and promises, but starting with coming down the elevator and announcing his candidacy, it was a wall - or a fence, or a barrier. I'd add #2 was Obamacare which is all but dead and now Pelosi and AOC can fight on fixing "Health Care" which was an issue.

Put another way, On Valetines day, you need to give your wife flowers. A new vacuum, cookware, sewing machine might be very liked, but not really appreciated.

Base to Trump: If you really love us, you will do everything you can to build that wall - starting NOW.

Blogger Salt December 23, 2018 11:54 AM  

Trump will win, wall or no wall. He's trouncing the left's immigration policies, wall or no wall. It's like if Hillary had won and people could walk by and pop her like a bobble-head, she'd be re-elected too.

Blogger Jo K December 23, 2018 11:54 AM  

@38 Avalanche "Oh I disagree completely! Even with all of the Obama/Clinton slime in jail -- or publicly executed and hanging from lamp posts all over the country! With no wall: EVERY STATE will go Democrat just by demographics. The Wall is necessary!"

1. I agree the wall is necessary long term.
2. Not by 2020.
3. If that crowd were locked up and hanging as you say, then another term would be given to Trump, easily. And in that term the wall would be expected. Demanded, rather.

All that said, without the wall and without locking up any substantial targets then there's a major problem going into 2020. My whole comment was just pointing out that there's more than just the wall. The wall takes a lot of focus, gets a lot of attention. To the exclusion of the other insatiable desire of the people.

Blogger Garuna December 23, 2018 12:03 PM  

Someone needs to explain to him that he is the first President whose very life and family may depend on him keeping his promises. If he loses in 2020, there is a very good chance that whoever replaces him will declare open war on him, his family and his corporations. He very well may die in prison if he doesn't drain the swamp and build the wall because the swamp will regroup and subject him to an inquisition we've never seen.

It's true. He has no choice but to drain the swamp. It's not even a matter of keeping promises or winning elections. At this point, it's a matter of keeping his family safe.

It's a strange situation to be in. Back in 2016, I assumed he would never drain the swamp because it'd be too much of a shitstorm. And he could fulfill most of his promises without doing it. But now, the swamp has left him no choice but to declare war and fight to the death.

Blogger Frank Brady December 23, 2018 12:08 PM  

Really? All we need do to stop the illegals is stop paying them to come here!

Blogger Dave December 23, 2018 12:11 PM  

Jo K wrote:@37 Dave "Give it up already."

Loser talk. That's what that is.

First, I don't predict anything. I'm just pointing at the pulse of things. Personally, I was disheartened pretty early on when Trump didn't push forward on the "Lock her up" angle.

But the idea of saying "give it up" is ... while understandably cynical ... it's loser talk. Imagine the founders of the country sitting around talking about revolution and then one fellow says "give it up already."

Well, maybe some things are worth not giving up on.


Ok Jo, you keep watching for those Hillary and Comey indictments. Hey, maybe a unicorn that shoots $100 bills out of it's ass will show up at your house, too.

Blogger pyrrhus December 23, 2018 12:15 PM  

"Really? All we need do to stop the illegals is stop paying them to come here!"

Problem is that the Warren Court (insanely) ruled that we have to pay them..

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 23, 2018 12:24 PM  

But now, the swamp has left him no choice but to declare war and fight to the death.

It's funny, because there was an argument on the right in 2016 where one side wanted to elect the guy who might actually fix some things, and the other wanted to let the globalist left continue pushing to more extremes to accelerate the inevitable civil war. With Trump, it turns out we got both. The globalists are pushing much harder and waking up more people than they would have with one of their own (of either party) in the White House.

Blogger Tars Tarkusz December 23, 2018 12:27 PM  

Garuna wrote:Someone needs to explain to him that he is the first President whose very life and family may depend on him keeping his promises. If he loses in 2020, there is a very good chance that whoever replaces him will declare open war on him, his family and his corporations. He very well may die in prison if he doesn't drain the swamp and build the wall because the swamp will regroup and subject him to an inquisition we've never seen.

It's true. He has no choice but to drain the swamp. It's not even a matter of keeping promises or winning elections. At this point, it's a matter of keeping his family safe.


There is zero chance Trump goes to jail and little or no chance that his immediate family members go to jail.
In fact, I think assassination is far more likely than jail for him or his immediate family. I have always felt the odds of Clinton or other high ranking Obama officials ending up in jail was nil.

High ranking people know way too much to be tried in an open court, or worse, sent to prison. No evidence that is not public knowledge can be used against them in an open court. The chance that they will talk from prison is just way too high.

Blogger P Glenrothes December 23, 2018 12:29 PM  

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 23, 2018 12:30 PM  

Really? All we need do to stop the illegals is stop paying them to come here!

False. Even if you penalize employers so strictly that you turn off all the jobs, and shut down all welfare and other programs that help illegals, and then convince the rest of the world that you're serious about all that.... it would STILL be true that living in a cardboard box down by the river and begging for food in America would be better than the average living conditions for millions of people in other parts of the world. They would still want to come here.

That's such a tiresome argument anyway: "We don't have to do this somewhat difficult thing; we should just do several other more difficult things instead!" Just build the damn Wall and do some basic patrolling. It's not that complicated.

Blogger Ingot9455 December 23, 2018 12:30 PM  

@53 We'll know things are serious if Hillary gets Arkancided.

Blogger Lance E December 23, 2018 12:30 PM  

Frank Brady wrote:Really? All we need do to stop the illegals is stop paying them to come here!

Which is (a) not legally possible right now and (b) could be reversed in a heartbeat by any future administration.

Seriously, what is with the "we don't need the wall" trolling today? Didn't we cover all of this material years ago? Are people getting cranky because a shutdown means they'll temporarily have to learn to do a couple of things for themselves?

Blogger DonReynolds December 23, 2018 12:47 PM  

Absolutely correct, Vox.

Personally, I do not give a hoot if the wall is built or not. I am sure it will help with border enforcement but it will be nothing more than an expensive monument in the desert for tourists to visit if it is not backed up with effective enforcement in the workplace, and along the border, and in the interior of the country. If we do nothing to deal with the invasion of this country by foreign countries, then nothing else matters in the least. If this is no longer going to be MY COUNTRY, it does not matter to me what happens to the national debt, or race relations, or foreign relations, or judicial appointments, or the Rule of Law, or voting or the environment. I will not be concerned because it will no longer be any of my business...a coalition of Leftists and foreign low-life will be running what was my country.

The Great Wall of China took many generations to build but the purpose of the wall was never to keep people out or keep people within. The wall was built to keep out horses. Yes, horses. The same horses that the fierce Mongols rode when they conquered much of world...including China itself. Men could climb a tall wall with a ladder in great numbers and throw open the gates on the wall. Horses could not do that.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 23, 2018 12:51 PM  

"We'll know things are serious if Hillary gets Arkancided."

We'll know we're serious if she contracts a case of Ourcancide. Until then, we can't say that she must be punished and have it mean anything at this point.

It's nice to say we're the bigger men in the room, but that's all just vain posturing if our trees aren't growing fruit. Desperate times, desperate measures, let the pirate flag fly over a hill of exemplary compost. Real standards have Real breaking points.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 23, 2018 12:55 PM  

@24

"Theoretically Trump has the upper hand here. The GOP has shut down the gov a number of times in the last 10 years. The GOP base doesn't care about the gov shutdown for the most part."

I'm a federal employee, and I support it.

Blogger Gen. Kong December 23, 2018 12:57 PM  

It's even more critical now that the Supreme Council of Blackrobes hath ruled from their ivory minaret that illegal invaders have a right to sue for asylum under one of the many penumbras and emanations of muh constitution. Roberts, the gift from Imam Al-Dubya that just keeps on cucking like the Neveready Bunny, sided with the Notorious RBG zombie and the other Marxists. Trump's two appointees stood by the president.

Blogger GAHCindy December 23, 2018 1:04 PM  

Trump didn't say he'd build the wall so he could become president and then just do whatever he wants. He ran for president because, among other things, he wants to build a wall. Political ambitions are not what drives him. Ambition, yes, but not for the sake of his own power. I honestly think he just wants to do the right thing for the country he loves.

Even if we don't get a wall--and we will--I don't think it will be for a lack of trying. Trump never says "read my lips". He says "watch this".

Trumpslide's coming.

Blogger Jo K December 23, 2018 1:08 PM  

@48 Garuna "...no choice but to declare war and fight to the death."

I completely agree with this in spirit, but not for the same reason.

I don't expect post-Trump politicians to go after Trump. People and events have a way of evaporating after time. One moment it's all a big fiery show and the next nothing but a vague sizzling memory. In time, there will be another new Hitler, a worse global disaster coming, new sparks of war, greater outrage to "I can't even" about.

Politicians, pundits, media personalities. None of these people are thought leaders. They're all reactionaries, full of posture and bluster. They act as a release valve for the populace as the temperature continues to rise and the steam builds up pressure. As flawed human beings, most of them and possibly all of them fall into corruption and find themselves overcome by the sin of, first, pride, and then the sins of lust and greed and so on.

But no, these people are not thought leaders. They react. In other words, they are the personification of movements that lift them up. If it wasn't Trump it would be someone else. The movement, the heat, the sentiment, the anger, the resentment, the determination, none of that lives or dies with a man. Like Spartacus. I am Trump. You are Trump. He is Trump. We are all Trump. All of us who shouted build a wall. All of us who said lock her up.

The best leaders, I suspect, are the ones who recognize this. They are the ones who live forever in history, as figureheads and symbols of the mass desire they embodied.

As the temperature in society builds, the release valve needs to let off more and more steam. Eventually, the temperature gets so high that nothing but an eruption will suffice. Right now, building a wall is a minor eruption. A small thing, but a small thing that will cool off a lot of heat. Another eruption would be mass arrests, and still another would be burning riots in the streets.

No choice but to declare war and fight to the death.

Yes, but not to save his own skin or to save his family. No. There is no choice but to declare war and fight to the death because that is what the movement demands. Every year that such is delayed will only increase the final fury of the eruption that comes.

But the eruption must surely come, and it will do so with or without Trump.

Blogger Gen. Kong December 23, 2018 1:10 PM  

Really? All we need do to stop the illegals is stop paying them to come here!

Yes this certainly needs to be done as well - once the wall is in place. It will cause many of the leaches to self-deport, which saves the expense of rounding up their criminal arses and shipping them off to the shitholes from whence they came. Chamber of Commerce Cucks who hire invaders should have their assets seized, and remittances to shitholes taxed at least at 75%. Welfare needs to be abolished altogether, along with public edumacayshun. None of the above can seriously begin to happen until the wall is in place.

Blogger ZhukovG December 23, 2018 1:15 PM  

'THE WALL'; it is a symbol both to Nationalists and Globalists. It is a symbol of victory or defeat in the single most important conflict of our time.

No; building it will not end illegal immigration. Building it will not stop, though it may delay, the fracturing of the United States. Failing to build it will not stop the rise of the Alt-Right.

But it will strongly influence the environment in which future events take shape.

The Wall must be built.

Blogger Stilicho December 23, 2018 1:16 PM  

Of course he has to build the wall. That's why the democrats will do anything to stop it. Schumer stopped it in the Senate and Cocaine Mitch is afraid to use a simple majority for national security bills. Soon a demoncrat house will be sworn in, killing the wall for two more years. Mitch, of course, will be surprised how fast republican filibusters are ignored the next time demoncrats control the Senate and really want something passed. Truly the stupid party.

Trump's options will be limited to use of military resources for the wall during the next two years, if he's willing to ignore leftist judges telling him he isn't allowed to.

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 23, 2018 1:19 PM  

George Bush did not lose solely on the tax issue. His gun control cost him bigly.
And that too is something Trump is screwing the pooch on as well. If we still have federal laws protecting illegals, gay marriage, and abortion across state lines but a legal and licensed gun can still get you prison over the wrong line..... Shit in DC they went after a guy with no criminal record and empty shell casings from a hunting trip was all he had... Then Trump is going to be same old same old. I never had an original idea in my life and if I'm getting fed up on this, I'm not alone. Where is the challenge to this red flag bullshit, which is practically legal SWATting of gun owners? Nowhere. Not even so much as an angry tweet.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 23, 2018 1:20 PM  

Hammerli280 wrote:There's no need for a wall. None. Just station troops along the border and give the order to shoot anyone coming north.

A wall is a symbol. The willingness to defend your border is the substance.

This is the absolute, unvarnished truth of the matter. We can have the best wall in existence, but without the willingness to defend our border by spilling their lifeblood it would be meaningless. (There are tons of ways they could circumvent a wall: tunnels, ladders, catapult/parachute combo, high-explosives, etc.)

pyrrhus wrote:Trump can definitely build the wall as CnC by declaring a state of emergency on the border and sending in the Army Corps....Problem is, he will then have to be ready to defy the black robed commies in the District courts.
That's actually the easy part. All Trump has to do is proclaim a state of invasion, citing the "Migrant Caravan" and (a) its refusal of Mexico's offer of asylum, and (b) its stated intent to enter the US regardless of legitimacy; he could also (c) release the real numbers of foreigners in the US. At that point, Judicial interference with enforcing Article 4, Section 4 becomes clear and present Article 3, Section 3 Treason. So just send the MPs to pick up that judge for his trial and ignore everything he said on the matter, except as evidence in his trial.

Then, if/when the self-styled black-robed god-kings proclaim "You can't do that! We have Judicial Immunity!, arrest them under Conspiracy against rights (they are conspiring against due process), because Deprivation of rights under color of law (they are depriving the right to mutual defense guaranteed by Article 4, Section 4), and of course Treason.

As one YouTube channel catchphrase goes: “Not a problem, barely an inconvenience.

tz wrote:What is CNN going to do? Cut out the commercials to increase the anti-Trump airtime?
Do it!
C'mon CNN, you need to make a stand, show people how bad Trump really is, even at the personal expense of your advertisement revenue! (Or, I suppose you could try product-placement.)

Blogger Brian Dean December 23, 2018 1:44 PM  

@33 Ok, let's see how fast you can move that piece of medieval technology along the THOUSANDS OF MILES that it would have to be moved to protect the WHOLE border. Then compare that to moving the piece of technology I presented.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 23, 2018 1:44 PM  

@67

"Where is the challenge to this red flag bullshit, which is practically legal SWATting of gun owners? Nowhere. Not even so much as an angry tweet."

What's needed is to "Red Flag" a few cops.

Once they understand that they, too, can be targeted, they'll stop carrying out this B.S.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 23, 2018 1:46 PM  

And also "Red Flagging" Democratic Party hacks, both in office, and especially their financial backers would go a long way to ending it all. A lot of Democrats' largest money sources have a lot of guns themselves.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 23, 2018 1:52 PM  

@69

"@33 Ok, let's see how fast you can move that piece of medieval technology along the THOUSANDS OF MILES that it would have to be moved to protect the WHOLE border. Then compare that to moving the piece of technology I presented."

There's this new invention.

It's called "the pipe".

It's used for moving fluids in vast quantities.

They can be fitted with this other new invention, called the "sprinkler head" which can spray the fluid from the pipe.

Lastly, just last week, someone invented this really radical thing called the "spark plug" which has this amazing ability to set fluids on fire instantly.

I know, this is all so new it probably sounds like science fiction to you...but really, the technology exists. Check it out.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( Maps are only Meaningful insofar as they correspond to Reality ) December 23, 2018 2:19 PM  

while the Wall is important, i consider the 'Rule of Law' to be even more important than the Rule of the Wall.

therefore, "Lock Her Up".

i will grant that, so far as campaign promises go, i would not consider failure to LHU to be a "no new taxes" moment.

but, so long as she is NOT locked up, it demonstrates that the Swamp operates almost without consequence.

Blogger Longtime Lurker December 23, 2018 2:27 PM  

Trump's opponents intend to open the gates wider. If Trump reminds the country of this every day, he should be able to navigate this poltical fight to the death to his advantage. But make no mistake, we are entering classic Us vs. Them territory. Zero Sum. Trump probably has the will to fight to the political death. But his allies? That is the question.

Blogger Brian Dean December 23, 2018 2:39 PM  

@72 Then there's also this technology called a hacksaw that's pretty effective in cutting pipes.

Blogger Philippe le Bel December 23, 2018 2:41 PM  

The wall is symbolically important, yes, but more important are

-purge the voters : ID with pic obligatory
-question about nationality in the 2020 census (and redistribution of States's EC
-deport actual illegals immigrants
-establishing the free speech on social platforms
-use the anti-trust law against FAAG.
-pure the party of centrist and of free-market "idolatres" (don't know the english word, sorry)
-install Kobach on the cabinet
-put HRC in jail.

Blogger Brian Dean December 23, 2018 2:41 PM  

@72 Oh and there's also this technology called an airplane, that would make ALL of the technology you mentioned moot.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 23, 2018 2:46 PM  

Anyone who says "but muh ladders" in a discussion of the Wall is a moron.

Blogger Lance E December 23, 2018 3:02 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:Anyone who says "but muh ladders" in a discussion of the Wall is a moron.

As moronic as "muh ladders" is, I'd have to say that "muh airplanes" takes first prize.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 23, 2018 3:02 PM  

Philippe le Bel wrote:-use the anti-trust law against FAAG.
Not just this, but RICO -- just take a look at the triggering activities, and think about the prevalence of H1Bs and H1B-fraud.

Blogger DonReynolds December 23, 2018 3:14 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:Anyone who says "but muh ladders" in a discussion of the Wall is a moron.

My rifle says "muh ladders" do not work and LED lights say, "even in the dark".

Blogger Dirk Manly December 23, 2018 3:51 PM  

@75

"@72 Then there's also this technology called a hacksaw that's pretty effective in cutting pipes."

Try operating one of those when your body is covered with burning gasoline.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 23, 2018 3:53 PM  

@78

"@72 Oh and there's also this technology called an airplane, that would make ALL of the technology you mentioned moot. "

We have this thing called the United States Air Force. It has planes. Lots of them. With weapons.

It hasn't lost an engagement since it was flying over the most heavily defended airspace on the entire planet -- Hanoi.

Blogger Brian Dean December 23, 2018 4:02 PM  

So far you guys don't want just a wall. You want a wall that has pipes which run gasoline to defeat the ladders. And you also want the USAF to constantly watch all 1954 miles to make sure no planes fly over it.

Ok, how about this? A Mexican initially comes to America legitimately through a student or tourist visa. Then when the visa expires, he or she simply stays. Which airplane or gasoline pipe do you propose to stop that?

Blogger OneWingedShark December 23, 2018 4:03 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:@78, "@72 Oh and there's also this technology called an airplane, that would make ALL of the technology you mentioned moot. "

We have this thing called the United States Air Force. It has planes. Lots of them. With weapons.

It hasn't lost an engagement since it was flying over the most heavily defended airspace on the entire planet -- Hanoi.

F-22s to blast `em out of the sky and ensure Air Superiority, and A-10s to lay in much “hatred and discontent” to the invader's land-based installations…

At least that's what I'd do if I were the big-boss, or SecDef.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 23, 2018 4:05 PM  

Brian Dean wrote:Ok, how about this? A Mexican initially comes to America legitimately through a student or tourist visa. Then when the visa expires, he or she simply stays. Which airplane or gasoline pipe do you propose to stop that?
Obviously espionage: public hanging.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 23, 2018 4:18 PM  

Mattis is leaving next week now, instead of February. I wonder what happened to speed up that timetable.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( Maps are only Meaningful insofar as they correspond to Reality ) December 23, 2018 4:25 PM  

84. Brian Dean December 23, 2018 4:02 PM
And you also want the USAF to constantly watch all 1954 miles to make sure no planes fly over it.



the US already does this.


84. Brian Dean December 23, 2018 4:02 PM
You want a wall that has pipes which run gasoline to defeat the ladders.



no, we want the military to fulfill it's Constitutional duty.



84. Brian Dean December 23, 2018 4:02 PM
A Mexican initially comes to America legitimately through a student or tourist visa. Then when the visa expires, he or she simply stays. Which airplane or gasoline pipe do you propose to stop that?



you know how the Demoncrats have been blabbering about abolishing ICE? that's THEIR JOB.

you, of course, agree that the Law should be flagrantly violated without consequence and that the nation be destroyed.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( Maps are only Meaningful insofar as they correspond to Reality ) December 23, 2018 4:31 PM  

Patreon OT, it's every bit as bad as we had inferred it to be, WRE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv7hvZee-PQ

Blogger OldFan December 23, 2018 4:34 PM  

After losing the moral an intellectual arguments against building the wall, the NPCs then move to "but it won't work anyway!" Such utter nonsense is music to my ears: they are close to losing if they are getting this desperate.

BTW, did you notice the repulse of the invasion caravan was not even mentioned in the fake news media.

Even better: did anybody notice the infrastructure to capture, house, and rapidly process large numbers of illegal aliens was built by the Army troops sent to the border AND IS STILL THERE!

Blogger wahr01 December 23, 2018 4:36 PM  

The cucks are coming out of the woodwork in most right-leaning channels.

"People who criticize Trump for failing to build the wall think he's a dictator".

Obama has already shown what the presidency can ACTUALLY do, and these cucks are dead wrong.

We have a blank check to the military and a mandate from the constitution.

Article IV section IV

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion..."

SHALL, not "may".


It's my understanding the military is still fully funded.. only 1/5 of the budget is being held up here.

Direct the corps of engineers to build the wall and exercise national emergency clauses to steamroll attempts to litigate.

Ignore ANY 'cosmic injuctions' just like Obama did with race-based punishment, title IX, and DACA

Blogger Lance E December 23, 2018 4:40 PM  

It is amusing that they're coming back to the "but the wall won't work!" argument. If it's ineffective, then why is Chucky being so stubborn about it? After all, who really cares about a few measly billion in a trillion-dollar budget? Democrats have never cared about throwing money away, so there must be some reason he's so resistant.

What say you, concern-trolls? Why is it so important not to build the wall when we're already wasting hundreds of billions on a bloated military, and hundreds of billions more on illegal aliens already in the country?

Blogger Garuna December 23, 2018 4:52 PM  

@Brian Dean

Fucking idiot. Obviously "wall" is shorthand for securing the border using a variety of measures in addition to the physical barrier. That is what it has always been. Trump has even explicitly said this. How have you not figured this out in the past four years?

Blogger Dirk Manly December 23, 2018 4:59 PM  

@84

"So far you guys don't want just a wall. You want a wall that has pipes which run gasoline to defeat the ladders. And you also want the USAF to constantly watch all 1954 miles to make sure no planes fly over it."

Good god, you're an idiot.

Even during Vietnam, the US Army and US Marine Corps had detectors which could be affixed to a stake in the ground and were capable of detecting even one person's footsteps up to 1/4 of a mile away. These things can EASILY be hooked into a digital sensor circuit. Digitally controlled actuators are cheap.
Pipe is pennies per foot. A single $5 Arduino board could accept input from such sensors, and control corresponding gasoline flame systems for MILES of fenceline.

For less than 0.01% (one hundredth OF one percent) increase in cost.

This literally is not rocket science. In fact, it can all be accomplished with 1920's level of technology. Replacing expensive vacuum tubes with system-on-a-chip attached to some $0.05 amplifier chips and a relay or FET controller board (a few dollars) still cheaper.

Blogger Dire Badger December 23, 2018 5:02 PM  

@Garuna-

Brian Dean knows this. He is simply trying to demoralize the right.

Sooner or later he will realize that in a rhetorical war, the underdog FEEDS on abuse. The more pressure that his ilk bring to bear, the stronger we become.

"Strike me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

If he's smart, he would shut up. But then, if he were smart, he wouldn't be a Globalist.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 23, 2018 5:03 PM  

@84

"Ok, how about this? A Mexican initially comes to America legitimately through a student or tourist visa. Then when the visa expires, he or she simply stays. Which airplane or gasoline pipe do you propose to stop that?"

We throw his ass in jail.
First offence, 10 years. [And no change of law is needed, it's already on the books.]


Since you don't like the wall, demon-talker, what's your suggestion of how to solve it?

By the way, do you have any bank accounts?

Did you know that NO bank is robbery-proof?

So why do you even bother? Doesn't it make you absolutely stupid to keep your money in a bank which doesn't have perfect protection from being robbed (either during business hours or in the middle of the night)?

Why would you do something so stupid?

Blogger Dirk Manly December 23, 2018 5:05 PM  

@87

"Mattis is leaving next week now, instead of February. I wonder what happened to speed up that timetable."

Congress isn't in session. That means if he moves quickly enough, Trump can appoint whoever he wants to the position of Acting SECDEF without a fight in the Senate, and who will have ALL of the authority of an advice-and-consent approved SECDEF.

This is a GOOD THING (TM).

Blogger wahr01 December 23, 2018 5:23 PM  

@97

This is not true.. they're maintaining "pro forma" sessions.

This is how you know the rest of the republican party are still 100% traitors.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( Maps are only Meaningful insofar as they correspond to Reality ) December 23, 2018 5:23 PM  

94. Dirk Manly December 23, 2018 4:59 PM
Good god, you're an idiot.



it's worse than that. he knows he's bullshitting.

he's accusing you ( and me ) of being stupid enough that some of his bullshit might work on you.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 23, 2018 5:41 PM  

You want a wall that has pipes which run gasoline to defeat the ladders.

It's more likely that someone was illustrating your absurdity by being absurd.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 23, 2018 5:48 PM  

"Trump has even explicitly said this. How have you not figured this out in the past four years?"

Brian Dean gets his information exclusively from some demon who thinks is Desmond Tutu.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 23, 2018 5:49 PM  

@90

"
Even better: did anybody notice the infrastructure to capture, house, and rapidly process large numbers of illegal aliens was built by the Army troops sent to the border AND IS STILL THERE!"

Actually, it was built to house the troops, who will be there indefinitely. Although I'm sure it's being expanded every day.

Blogger JAG December 23, 2018 5:50 PM  

Dire Badger wrote:@Garuna-

Brian Dean knows this. He is simply trying to demoralize the right.

Sooner or later he will realize that in a rhetorical war, the underdog FEEDS on abuse. The more pressure that his ilk bring to bear, the stronger we become.

"Strike me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

If he's smart, he would shut up. But then, if he were smart, he wouldn't be a Globalist.


He's also very desperate, because he knows that if that wall gets built the clock begins to countdown on the power of the globalists in the USA. It's over for them at that point. He's scared, thus his desperate attempts at demoralizing the Right.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 23, 2018 5:51 PM  

So desperate, that he's posting on a Sunday afternoon.

Blogger Rhys December 23, 2018 5:52 PM  

Personally, I will be casting my vote once again for the GE whether or not anything has even changed in two years. But the dems will hammer home the fact he didn't build the wall in 2020 if it comes to that, regardless of the fact they are responsible for it not being built. It's best if he rushes to get it done or at least get some progress on it because it can be a weak point among his base.

Blogger Azimus December 23, 2018 6:03 PM  

VD: "Everything else tertiary at best"

Oh I'd put avoiding a pointless nuclear exchange w/Russia was right up there, maybe even higher than the wall. Of course the backstop there is Putin: I can't see him "turning the keys" and irradiating the planet, so maybe you are right...

Blogger Lovekraft December 23, 2018 6:14 PM  

Let's not get too full of ourselves and think we would be able to withstand one-millionth the pressure Trump has been under. So the wall is something we now have to figure out, the same as if the wall was built and the left now had to reapproach its general strategy.

Blogger Dire Badger December 23, 2018 6:51 PM  

"Let's not get too full of ourselves and think we would be able to withstand one-millionth the pressure Trump has been under."

When Christians were being fed to Lions, the Church grew unimaginably fast.

I think, perhaps, it was a victim of it's own success.

Blogger Haxo Angmark December 23, 2018 6:59 PM  

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Blogger Jack Ward December 23, 2018 7:13 PM  

87. Stg58/Animal Mother

My answer. Mattis clearing the SecDef slot by Jan 1, leaves him available for 'other duties'.
These other duties could be as a tribunal judge, commander of a sizable part of a martial law force, gosh, the imagination just runs wild. Keep in mind that Jan 1 is two days before swearing in time. I think. Heck, we could be in martial law by jan 1.
Trump has so much he can do to insure a second term, and really help the country, it's mind boggling.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 23, 2018 7:44 PM  

Jack, I'm not sure, now. After Sundance's reminder of Mattis' recent positions, I'm unfortunately starting to think he's just a swamp creature.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/12/23/president-trump-makes-mattis-departure-effective-immediately/

"Defense Secretary James Mattis wanted us to stay in Paris accord. Trump said no. Mattis wanted us to stay in the Iran deal. Trump said no. Mattis wanted less pressure on NATO. Trump said no. Mattis wanted to keep soldiers in Syria. Trump said no.  Mattis wanted to hang around until February… Trump said no."

And of course, the most frustrating thing for me is his complete blindness to the tranny, faggot, female infestation of the military.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 23, 2018 9:04 PM  

tz wrote:Second, Trump doubling down, then when "an unidentified WH spokesman" said kick the can, Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh and everyone else went ballistic. I think the leak was to confirm who would stand with Trump.

As soon as Trump takes a stand, he'll find many millions standing with him. We can't really stand with him until he takes a stand.

Blogger Andrew Curlutu December 23, 2018 9:16 PM  

Frankly, Mr. Vox, you already HAVE a God and Emperor, his name is Christ. Trump is NOT and never will be God. He is fallible and imperfect, just like every other human on Planet Earth. He is, therefore, capable of appalling lack of judgement on certain matters. Such as keeping the Kushner parasites as advisors when they are, figuratively speaking, to the left of Chairman Mao. There's also the matter of Kavanaugh. Pro-lifers would likely have done better with Barrett than him, though it's not like people hadn't warned them Kavanaugh would be unlikely to be much help stopping the abomination of abortion on demand. Finally, he has made a serious mistake by signing the Omni-Bloat a while back. He should told Congress where to stick it with that deficit increasing and debt-adding monstrosity and vetoed it. Even if it HAD been overridden, he would at least have been seen of TRYING to get a hand on the debt issue.

Blogger Patrick Kelly December 23, 2018 9:37 PM  

The wall is a politicized rhetorical device and is not necessary to control mass migration across the southern border. I support it, but whether it is built or not I will vote for Trump 2020 unless I am persuaded of a better alternative.

Alabama instituted laws that motivated vibrant migrants to self deport, and no one tried lawfare to stop it.

When you understand how and why you will know what needs to be done. Most of the rest of the US doesn't have the stomach.

Blogger Didas Kalos December 23, 2018 9:48 PM  

"Stop paying them" ?? That is a piece of the puzzle. But if they aren't coming because of a wall and a secure border, then that's a non issue? Right?
I don't think most people are comprehending just how many thousands and millions of illegals are in this country from MX, Nicaragua, etc. Does anyone know? 30 Million? 40 Million? And how many more each year? 1,000,000 Million more? Not just a wall but #TheyMustGoBack Including over a million middle easterners. #TheyMustGoBack

Blogger Didas Kalos December 23, 2018 9:49 PM  

@114 patrick kelly. The illegals deported to Kentucky and Tennessee and Georgia. Not to Mexico.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 23, 2018 10:44 PM  

It's a joke, Andrew Curlutu. No one here actually thinks he is a God or an Emperor. It's just something fun to trigger people like you.

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Blogger Dirk Manly December 24, 2018 12:28 AM  

@106

"Oh I'd put avoiding a pointless nuclear exchange w/Russia was right up there, maybe even higher than the wall. Of course the backstop there is Putin: I can't see him "turning the keys" and irradiating the planet, so maybe you are right..."

Russia has more useble mineshafts.

And they're both better looking and friendlier.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 24, 2018 12:32 AM  

@113

"Frankly, Mr. Vox, you already HAVE a God and Emperor, his name is Christ."

You seem to be behind the times.

Trump is the God Emperor on the Cherry Blossom Throne.

It's a reference to Japanese culture, and thoroughly tongue-in-cheek.

But we use it, because it triggers SJW's aka Satan's minions. And driving them out of their feeble little minds is ALWAYS a good thing.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 24, 2018 12:35 AM  

@115

If all the illegals went home, every black family could move into a new home, and let a whole new set of housing stock go to shit by completely ignoring roof and plumbing leaks.

Still, I'll take it -- because the housing glut would allow millenials to move out of their parents' basement.

Blogger bob kuk mando ( Maps are only Meaningful insofar as they correspond to Reality ) December 24, 2018 1:00 AM  

117. Stg58/Animal Mother December 23, 2018 10:44 PM
It's a joke, Andrew Curlutu.



no.

no, no, no, no, no.

we're all drawing straws for the favored position of Grand Inquisitor ... so we can see who gets to enjoy pulling Andrew's fingernails out for blaspheming against the God Emperor.

Blogger Frank Brady December 24, 2018 1:52 AM  

Frank Brady wrote:
Really? All we need do to stop the illegals is stop paying them to come here!


Which is (a) not legally possible right now and (b) could be reversed in a heartbeat by any future administration.

Seriously, what is with the "we don't need the wall" trolling today? Didn't we cover all of this material years ago? Are people getting cranky because a shutdown means they'll temporarily have to learn to do a couple of things for themselves?

History is a bitch. Too bad they've stopped teaching it. See "Berlin Wall" and "Iron Curtain". Perhaps when they've finished building the walls around your continent-wide prison00, you will rethink your passion for this insane idea.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales December 24, 2018 2:21 AM  

@120

"It's a reference to Japanese culture, and thoroughly tongue-in-cheek.'

Nigga, no it ain't. It's a reference to Warhammer 40K. Sure, Warhammer 40K may be referencing that or something like that, being as derivative as it is, but the fact remains that the term 'God Emperor' is a reference to Warhammer 40K, specifically a character with that exact same name particularly in internet circles.

Blogger John D Alden December 24, 2018 2:45 AM  

History is a bitch. Too bad they've stopped teaching it. See "Berlin Wall" and "Iron Curtain". Perhaps when they've finished building the walls around your continent-wide prison00, you will rethink your passion for this insane idea.

The lolbert perspective is as retarded as ever, I see.

Maybe next you can lecture us about the dangers of nationalism.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 24, 2018 3:17 AM  

@124

"
"It's a reference to Japanese culture, and thoroughly tongue-in-cheek.'

Nigga, no it ain't. It's a reference to Warhammer 40K."

And where do you think Gayhammer 40k got it from?

Blogger Peter December 24, 2018 7:49 AM  

History brings to mind the Marginot line. The promise was building a wall that Mexico would pay for, not my tax dollars.

Blogger ZhukovG December 24, 2018 8:21 AM  

@Peter: It's Maginot Line. Also, if you actually knew history rather than just regurgitating half remembered pablum from public schools, you would know that the Maginot Line did precisely what it was intended to. It forced the German Armies to invade the Low Countries, giving the French Army and BEF time to react.

You would also know that the original plan was that the Maginot Line was to extend all the way to the English Channel. However, political concerns over Belgium's feelings and failure of the French Government to fund it resulted in it not being completed.

Sound familiar?

Also Mexico will pay for it, many times over. They just won't be signing a check for it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 24, 2018 8:29 AM  

bob kuk mando ( Maps are only Meaningful insofar as they correspond to Reality ) wrote:
we're all drawing straws for the favored position of Grand Inquisitor ... so we can see who gets to enjoy pulling Andrew's fingernails out for blaspheming against the God Emperor.


Bob, you were supposed to keep that quite until our plans are accomplished.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants December 24, 2018 7:43 PM  

Hillary Clinton & the entire leftist deep state cabal of elites are never going to jail, never were going to jail. None of that is ever happening & we def no longer have any "rule of law," in this country.
Trump builds the wall or post presidency they ruin his entire family if not beforehand.
These ppl dont just want them out of office, they want them ruined/jailed/dead.
Or, preferably all 3.
You must think you are living in a different time period in a different America, because Current Year USA does not have the same rules for everyone & if you were an open Trump supporter, look out when he's out of office, because they'll be looking to purge you, as well.
Especially if you're a straight white male.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants December 24, 2018 7:51 PM  

If Trump goes with that slated fence thingie we've been seeing, it will only cost 4.4B & assembled in large sections & will go up fairly rapidly. This is the best option because we need a fence structure anyway, some distance before the wall, & if we have that up, going back later for a better, concrete wall won't be as much of a fight. Trump can declare it a national monument & the money raised by the citizens can be donated to fund its upkeep. It's a win-win situation.
For everyone griping about Ann Coulter, none of them understands that her nagging is just the perfect thing to keep needling Trump with as he hates to be perceived as a failure.
Adulation & yes people is not what motivates him & anyone that's ever read his book(s) knows this. Or, should.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 24, 2018 10:06 PM  

Zeroh Tollrants wrote:For everyone griping about Ann Coulter, none of them understands that her nagging is just the perfect thing to keep needling Trump with as he hates to be perceived as a failure.

The nagging and ranting are also things Trump can point out to weak sisters in his administration: ``See, they really, really do want a wall!''

Millions of Americans howling for Hillary's blood will help demoralize the Left, and who knows, the movement might acquire some momentum.

Blogger Frank Brady December 25, 2018 1:29 AM  

History is a bitch. Too bad they've stopped teaching it. See "Berlin Wall" and "Iron Curtain". Perhaps when they've finished building the walls around your continent-wide prison00, you will rethink your passion for this insane idea.

The lolbert perspective is as retarded as ever, I see.

Maybe next you can lecture us about the dangers of nationalism.
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No John, you see nothing and know even less.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 25, 2018 2:04 AM  

@127

Who do you think will lose when tens of millions of illegals are no longer sending BILLIONS of dollars by Western Union to Mexico each month?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 25, 2018 12:15 PM  

Frank Brady, it's going to be them locked in with us, not vise versa. It's time to quit running: there's no place left to run to, anyway. If you want to go hang out in Mexico, go now.

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