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Thursday, December 06, 2018

Weinstein won't debate Stefan

Harvey, Bret, whatever. They're all just intellectual cowards who hold exactly the same positions for exactly the same reason... while publicly deploring identity politics for Americans, Europeans, and soon, Han Chinese.
Stefan Molyneux@StefanMolyneux
From 800 BC to 1950 AD, 97% of the world’s scientific advancements occurred in Europe and North America.

98% of the significant figures were male.

No white males, no modern world.

Fact.

I’m grateful.

Are you?

End the hate.

Aspire to admire, whatever the race.


Bret Weinstein@BretWeinstein
This is a modern creation myth, delivered as if it were an analysis. It is as inaccurate and self-serving the intersectionalist's claim that all disparities arise from oppression. Those pushing these stories persuade through flattery. Don't be fooled. Don't take the bait.

Lauren Southern@Lauren_Southern
Don’t take the bait? How about have a productive debate and convince people of your position. I’d love to hear this discussion! I’m sure @RubinReport or someone…

Bret Weinstein@BretWeinstein
Not interested in debating it. Here's why: @StefanMolyneux is not stupid, but his stated position is. That suggests his purpose is not an analytical one.The logic is straightforward. His position is nuts. But he might well advance his agenda, and I want no part of that.

Stefan Molyneux@StefanMolyneux
Can’t find an argument anywhere here, can you? People should just be honest and admit that they are afraid to discuss the scientific reality of human biodiversity because it might get them in trouble. That’s what Jordan Peterson did.

Stefan Molyneux@StefanMolyneux
The “intellectual dark web” is well-paid to keep certain essential facts at bay
What, precisely, is nuts and stupid about Stefan's statement? To observe the fact that 97 percent of the world’s scientific advancements before 1950 occurred in Europe and North America? To observe the fact that 98 percent of the significant figures involved were men? These are either facts and therefore true or false assertions. Or are we to take this as evidence that Weinstein now publicly accepts Jordan Peterson's contention that facts are not necessarily true?

The Ineffectual Dork Weasels are cowardly fourth-rate academics and talking heads who have been appointed to be gatekeepers for the Right by the New York Times and are being propped up by the global Satanists in order to try to slow down the growing trend towards nationalism and Christianity in the West.

They are going to fail abysmally due to their cowardice, as Ben Shapiro has run from debates with me and Milo, Jordan Peterson has run from debates with Marxists despite publicly claiming that Marxists are afraid to debate him, and now Bret Weinstein is running away from debate with Stefan Molyneux. Everyone can see the pattern. They have literally no ability to defend their own positions and little more capacity for offering substantive criticism of anything except a nebulous bogeyman of "the Radical Left" that they somehow cannot define correctly.

There is a very good reason these ineffectual losers only talk to each other, as talking to anyone who is both honest and capable of seeing through them will expose them almost instantly. They can't afford to engage with Stefan, or Milo, or me, because they know perfectly well that their positions are false and they know that we know their positions are false too.

All that anyone needs to do to publicly discredit these weasels is precisely what I've done in Jordanetics, which is to quote their own words extensively and show people exactly what they are saying in the correct context. Even their tweets, when compared over time, are damning, because their core positions are intrinsically hypocritical, incoherent, and deceptive.

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81 Comments:

Blogger #7139 December 06, 2018 6:19 AM  

The Ineffectual Dork Weasels are cowardly fourth-rate academics ...

Not even third-rate? So sad!

Blogger pyrrhus December 06, 2018 6:32 AM  

These IYI's know that they are cowards and deceivers, it's the job that they are paid to do...When a giant figure like Watson can be un-personed for a comment about Africans in the lab, Academics live in fear of the same treatment.

Blogger Rhys December 06, 2018 6:41 AM  

Perfect example of a cuckservative treating rhetoric like it's inherintly evil - though he appears to think a dialectic with Stephen is also evil. I would love to press him further on this. What do we do with this evil fact if we cannot engage it verbally? Maybe he'll claim it should be ignored, but then what happens when it can't be ignored? Fire up the incinerator?

Blogger Glenn Phillips December 06, 2018 6:43 AM  

I was wondering when Stephan was going to hoist the black flag.

Blogger bodenlose Schweinerei December 06, 2018 6:47 AM  

The logic is straightforward

"I'm as useless and pathetic a pussy as Chelsea Handler's!"

He can't muster a single fact to counter the proposition, so it's puerile toy-tossing: "Steven is a stupidhead and his ideas are all poopy! Take me home, Mommy!"

Blogger Connor Johnston December 06, 2018 6:49 AM  

I love Stefan so much

Blogger Rick December 06, 2018 6:51 AM  

“You should only debate people who agree with you.”

- JP’s Next Book

What happened after 1950? Did it spread everywhere thanks to what happened before 1950?

Blogger John Doe03526 December 06, 2018 6:58 AM  

Who provided the other 3%? I'm the assuming the Han Chinese. Thought it would have been higher.

Blogger pyrrhus December 06, 2018 7:02 AM  

"Who provided the other 3%? I'm the assuming the Han Chinese. Thought it would have been higher."
The real numbers are 99% and 99%..If you doubt that, real Charles Murray's book on Human Achievement, and Murray didn't include people like Tesla and the ancient Greeks and Romans.

Blogger Ingot9455 December 06, 2018 7:05 AM  

It's more like, 'After 1950 there's so many critical inventions and so many improvements on others critical inventions it becomes hard to count.'

Blogger Rick December 06, 2018 7:16 AM  

It’s too bad too that Bret chops off debate. Stefan presented an interesting topic. He doesn’t really say why he thinks the fact came to be, only that one should be grateful. There could be a number of interesting factors for WHY the facts are what they are.

Blogger pyrrhus December 06, 2018 7:22 AM  

Greg Clark's "A Farewell to Alms" shows the Darwinian mechanism for the rise of the Western intelligence and inventiveness, and by implication, why it's now in rapid decline.

Blogger pyrrhus December 06, 2018 7:25 AM  

Traditional roles for men were hunting, tool making and other engineering projects, and warfare. Traditional roles for women were having and nurturing babies, family and social life...Evolution operated accordingly.

Blogger Gregory the Great December 06, 2018 7:28 AM  

The Japanese actually invited Western thinkers to hold workshops on how to be creative.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 06, 2018 7:31 AM  

So Weinstein is the man who is finally going to prove true the Blank Slate Theory?

Of course I doubt this, he will fall into the rhetoric of discredit and disqualify and his conservative opposition still thinking themselves the supreme beings of the intellectual world will fall right into the usual trap.

This kind of ties in with the latest at Sailer's where Douhat supposedly steps on the toes of our new social justus elite by timidly defending the old white elite of America.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 06, 2018 7:39 AM  

Speaking of crackpottery, this Weinstein fool will basically have to fall back on Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel" line of un-reasoning, ya know the world where buck naked cannibal's who paddled around the Pacific are smarter than Newton or something. I say this just in case anyone would dare discredit and disqualify one of our legally privileged elite such as Weinstein.

Blogger ar10308 December 06, 2018 7:46 AM  

As for rhetoric here, would using their own name against them be the way to go, much like with SJW? Or is playing around with the words most effective?

Intellectual Dark Web: A very cobweb in an empty attic with the lights off.

Blogger English Tom December 06, 2018 7:50 AM  

The worldview of these people is delusion built upon more delusion. They cannot debate as this will make all too transparent how delusional they really are. Going through life while wallowing in victimhood is profoundly unhealthy for the soul. Blaming every white male as an oppressor is extremely counter productive. When things go hot, these verminous rats will find out just how counter productive that can be.

Blogger Zaklog the Great December 06, 2018 7:52 AM  

Hmmm, it appears that Molyneux has become disenchanted with JBP. That's interesting news.

Blogger SouthRon December 06, 2018 8:06 AM  

What’s the significance of 800 BC from a Japhethetic perspective?

Blogger Werekoala1066 December 06, 2018 8:08 AM  

So now Facts are merely a "position"? Hmm.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 06, 2018 8:09 AM  

Yes, that's awfully weak. There are times that "this is too stupid to debate" is a valid position, but a simple claim about historical stats isn't one of them. If his numbers are wrong, one link should serve to discredit them. Otherwise it's a fair topic for debate.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums December 06, 2018 8:12 AM  

Stefan back in the day also tried to debate Thundef00t, a famous youtuber from the Skeptics (TM) era of the internet. Naturally the Skeptic(TM) attempted to poison the well and try to discredit Stefan in an attempt to maintain his big-brained image for his viewership.

Stefan also tried to debate Anna Kasparian of TYT. She refused saying (I shit you not) "he is a master manipulator because he makes you think he's actually sane and HE'S BASING HIS ARGUMENTS ON LOGIC". I have it timestamped: https://youtu.be/jrpa6nnG7QE?t=1393

Good times.

This time around Stefan is not being attacked and discredited in the same manner because he has been used by Peterson to ascend in his career. This inbred weasel guy is basically a poor man's version of Peterson. He's plan B. Discrediting Stefan would mean discrediting Peterson, and discrediting Peterson would mean discrediting Weinstein.

Blogger Cloom December 06, 2018 8:23 AM  

Zaklog the Great wrote:Hmmm, it appears that Molyneux has become disenchanted with JBP. That's interesting news.

Stefan referred the "Half Drunk, Oops Baby, Life Over?" caller to Jordan Peterson's material for help in sorting out his psychology. So I noted Stefan is not dismissing Jordan Peterson in non-political areas.

Blogger Peter Gent December 06, 2018 8:26 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:Traditional roles for men were hunting, tool making and other engineering projects, and warfare. Traditional roles for women were having and nurturing babies, family and social life...Evolution operated accordingly.
I would argue that natural selection prunes the genetic tree to meet the needs in a given area or group. There is no evolution involved. More like breeding dogs or horses toward a given need.

Blogger tz December 06, 2018 8:29 AM  

What the IDW is are high level talking point dispensers.

I encountered these in my early "discussions" with libertarians, bringing up facts and practical realities, e.g. roads without eminent domain. I've had exactly one admit that some roads would simply not be built. The rest repeat something like "there are alternate routes" as a mantra even when I've given a specific example where there isn't (e.g. Mackinac bridge between Michigan's penninsulas), at least if you don't or can't use a ferry or go by way of Chicago.

The Talking points are like a "tech support checklist" - you call in and have to confirm you've turned the computer on, give all kinds of irrelevant details, and go through the kabuki even though you know it is your hard drive because it is screeching like a banshee.

Thinkers like Molyneux and Vox know how to find the cracks and exploit them to shatter the arguments. Talking points are merely a thicker facade. There can even be real facts, evidence, and wisdom, but a TPD is not capable of understanding or bringing them to the fore in a real debate.

You also see this in the recent debate with Steve Bannon. Bannon talked practical results, Frum said Bannon and those who were with him were "bad people" but other than insults didn't explain why. And implied deplorables should be glad to suffer (when Frum doesn't) - Bannon started with the 2008 Billionaire Bankster Bailout!

It is no longer theoretical - reality is showing the breakdown of everything. Both left and right have theories, but what happens when implemented?

Right now the globalist left needs the IDW TPDs to come out and misdirect the attention of those on the right they can, lest they notice Trump is succeeding and winning.

So Peterson won't be forced to use wrong gender terms? He will do everything else. So Shapiro is good on a cultural thing or two, same idea. They are the new versions of NR, or the Cuckservatives, or the neoCons. Talking sort of on the right, but while doing so saying we must give into the left, we must not fight in any way that would win, etc.

Blogger tz December 06, 2018 8:33 AM  

@23 - or was it Sargon of Akkad that couldn't even handle Richard Spencer? I enjoy Thunderf00t's takedown of snake-oil, especially things like the hyperloop, but don't see debate topics, and he has responded.

But Sargon could be the next IDW celebrity.

Blogger marco moltisanti December 06, 2018 8:48 AM  

"What, precisely, is nuts? To observe the fact that 97 percent of the world’s scientific advancements before 1950 occurred in Europe and North America? To observe the fact that 98 percent of the significant figures involved were men? These are either facts and therefore true or false assertions."

Here deep in one of the bluest states, they'd say that women would have contributed more if they were oppressed. Same for the most of the non-white races, I think.

Blogger JAG December 06, 2018 8:50 AM  

Sargon has been fully taken apart by Metokur. It's over for him. Very few take hims seriously anymore especially after his ham fisted attempts to restart GamerGate by getting the G-E to mention it.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 06, 2018 8:58 AM  

@14

"The Japanese actually invited Western thinkers to hold workshops on how to be creative. "

Meanwhile, in China, creativity will get you killed.

Blogger Trinian December 06, 2018 9:11 AM  

SouthRon wrote:What’s the significance of 800 BC from a Japhethetic perspective?

The City of Rome was founded around 750 BC and Homer wrote the Iliad and the Odyssey in the 8th century.

Blogger GrzyMcKneezy December 06, 2018 9:28 AM  

I think the realized betrayal of those who nationalists and conservatives thought to be leaders, however incorrectly will help galvanize us to find true allies, not figureheads.

I think these deceptions once clearly shown to all will have a wonderfully positive impact on nationalism as those who have been mislead once, tend to be much more guarded. I was very happy to see Stefan drop those truth bombs.

Blogger Cecil Henry December 06, 2018 9:40 AM  

'I won't debate you because while you're smart,I already know your position is nuts.'


Talk about a pathetic excuse that just means you know you can't win and don't want genuine debate.

The 'intellectual dark web' is not very intellectual, but it is dark.


Blogger bob kuk mando ( everything has Consequences. that what makes them Consequences ) December 06, 2018 10:09 AM  

3. Rhys December 06, 2018 6:41 AM
Perfect example of a cuckservative


what is it with you people?

B.Weinstein isn't any more "conservative" than PBJ is. like PBJ, he's never claimed to be "conservative". Weinstein was a prof at Evergreen College, for God's sake.

you take a thorough and overt Leftist, put a couple of disagreements with overt Communism in their mouth, and you people are all raving about your new Muh Conservative!

what in the hell?

the only thing of value Weinstein has ever done in his life was refuse to bend the knee to BLM supremacists who were demanding that White People not be permitted to walk on the college campus on a specific day.

that DOES NOT make him any more "conservative" or Right Wing than George Orwell. who was a life long International Socialist. ie - slightly to Right of Communists and slightly to the Left of Hitler / National Socialism.

Blogger Long Live The West December 06, 2018 10:17 AM  

A dark web of lies indeed...

Blogger xevious2030 December 06, 2018 10:24 AM  

Well, that is the crux of things, isn’t it. The core target of brainwashing for so long. That the inventiveness of civilization, the ability to create civilization (and progress to advanced civilization) out of not civilization, and the expression of certain recessive genes (at the expressed exclusion of many dominant genes, are linked and correlate in such a way as to demonstrate causality.

Take the Romans. They had steam power/engine (Aeolipile, 1,900 years ago) and the piston. Had they combined the two, they could have had steam locomotion, the foundation of the rail system, which made industrialization possible. On our own timeline, it was a matter of around a 250 year development to go from rudimentary power to space shuttles. In theory, had Rome applied the principles and civilization held, man could have landed on the moon about the same time Constantine took he throne in our timeline. That sort of constant potential simply is not demonstrated outside of that recessive gene collection.

Instead, the lie of sameness is sold. Well, until recently, only while it helped the West surrender out of a sense of misplaced and fraudulant guilt.

Although there is a chink in the armor of the Left, with statements of Western civilization and the associated patriarchy being said to be a racist expression suppressing other concepts/forms of civilization entirely different and with totally different metrics for success. Such as wiping your ass with your hand and smearing it on the wall is a part of a civilization far more superior and advanced to Western civilization.

So, here you go. People supposedly emerged out of Africa, and yet it is at a newer habitation whereby real technologically advanced civilization emerged out of nothing, under unfavorable climatic conditions. This is the underlying strength of what Stefan Molyneux said, and it is the catalyst for freedom which is so adamantly being suppressed to be kept from that certain collection of recessive traits/genes. If that genie ever gets back out of the bottle in a meaningful way, the rest goes away. And it is the thing so many of the West have been so inoculated against. But really, that’s the big key, because it unlocks everything else.

Blogger Mr Darcy December 06, 2018 10:30 AM  

Apologies if this is OT, but somebody on social media in France referring to "we Yellow Vests" is calling for a total shutdown of the whole country ("schools, stores, offices, airports") on the 10th (Monday) and advising "the population" to "stock up on gas & oil, food & medicines" and so forth. Inviting people to join them at the barricades or simply to stay at home.

Post ends with "THE 10th of DECEMBER TOGETHER!!!"

Just FYI a propos of yesterday's article on events in France.


Blogger camcleat December 06, 2018 10:43 AM  

@37

"Apologies if this is OT"

Not OT at all, really. Who does the work in France? Who keeps their nation running?

This form of protest would absolutely prove Stefan's point is still in play now, not just for past inventions.

Blogger Dos Voltz December 06, 2018 11:04 AM  

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Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums December 06, 2018 11:06 AM  

tz wrote:or was it Sargon of Akkad that couldn't even handle Richard Spencer?

Sargon's a gamma and Richard Spencer OBLITERATED him with ONE PERFECT INSULT. He hasn't recovered since. The guy ruins everything he becomes a part of: gamergate, Skeptics(TM), liberalists, atheism, classical liberalism, Kekistan, NPC meme, and currently UKIP.

He's got the reverse Midas' touch. I hope he becomes the leader of the IDW.

Blogger Dos Voltz December 06, 2018 11:08 AM  

There are white "tribes" of north Africa (with blonde/red hair and blue/green eyes) such as the Riffians of Morocco. Tunisia, Egypt and Libya have their white tribes as well. Some theorize these people migrated during the last ice age around 10,000 years ago; walked across ice bridges at Gibraltar. So the original people of the northern coast of the African continent were white European stock. The Sahara was an impenetrable barrier for a million years for the sub-Saharan blacks, preventing any migration north.

These people of European stock went on to build the Egyptian Empire. You can clearly see that Rameses II had straight, blonde/reddish hair, pictures of his mummified remains are easily found.

Hannibal of Carthage was not black. Cleopatra was not black. But modern Americans believe they were. Like Denzel and Kerry Washington.

The modern narrative in the west is that black sub-Saharan Africans (as if from the Congo) built the Egyptian Empire. And the narrative continues that the Riffians and other white tribes of north Africa are only there because of the Barbary slave traders who pillaged Europe for slaves and women, so ONLY a result of a much more modern history.

The picture of Rameses II destroys that fiction. He looks almost exactly like Montgomery Burns' great-great grandfather.

Until we return to proper education and logic, people will continue to be insufferable fools who believe in self-serving fantasies. And nothing is more insufferable to modern Egyptologists than African Americans who visit and, filled with pride, declare "look what our people built."

And then you get Wakanda on the silver screen.

To answer Obama, "Yes - we whites DID build that."

Blogger Mr Darcy December 06, 2018 11:15 AM  

@38:

You're right. I hadn't looked at it that way. Thanks!

Blogger Robin December 06, 2018 11:16 AM  

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Blogger tz December 06, 2018 11:18 AM  

Another aspect is lack of self control.
Benji manages to tweet about 41's funeral in a way Kathy Griffin retweeted.

In this context I agree with Vox about "free speech" - if you mind is enslaved, even if voluntary, the speech is not from a free will, but you are merely a ventriloquist's dummy mouthing words you don't even believe or disbelieve - it takes faith and will to do that.

Blogger tz December 06, 2018 11:22 AM  

@37 - good in the greater context.

Remember, remember the 10th of December,
The Yellow Vest protest and march
We'll show our power
at the Eiffel tower,
and continuing to the arch.

But what we need here is a Man strike. Even in Wyoming there was a stupid article about women making less than men.

Blogger xevious2030 December 06, 2018 11:25 AM  

On 36, I stayed away from the term race. Because the concept is a bit more precise, and the collections are not limited to one group, though they are overwhelmingly expressed by one generalized group. It is certain recessive traits and not overshadowed by certain dominant traits. These traits for the brain (an organ, put together by the individuals DNA design) may be linked to external traits, or combinations, and it does seem likely to be so linked. But as such, there is no "racial purity standard," only the presence of certain combinations (likely associated with but not exclusive to certain outward traits and not necessarily present with)of recessive genes expressed and not suppressed or missing due to the presence of other dominant genes or countering recessive genes. Which also helps to provide an explanation for how one person can be creative in a way conducive to the creation/adding to civilization, and their nine siblings entirely destructive to it. Or why some may not be inclined to create, but are limited to simply, at most, maintain. In other words, there seems to be a code carried by humanity, with limited expression, that forms the impetus basis for the creation and advancement of civilization. For the maintenance of civilization in a slow downward destructive entropy without access to the creative side of things. And for the general destruction otherwise. Across groups, but currently prevalent within certain generally visually identifiable groups, in terms of the majority of creativeness, maintenance, or destructiveness. And this trend seems to have been stable over the timeframe of the last 7,000 or so years, as the prevalence for the distribution of certain recessive and dominant genes has moved geographically.

Blogger MJimmy December 06, 2018 11:33 AM  

Why Sam Hyde is a Legend.

Blogger xevious2030 December 06, 2018 11:36 AM  

The last big ingredient is the other influences, the Holy Spirit (within Christianity)and Satan, both very real, and the impacts they have. Aside from external acts of God.

Blogger English Tom December 06, 2018 11:43 AM  

I think Sargon is more interested in becoming a UKIP MP.

Blogger Were-Puppy December 06, 2018 12:01 PM  

@27 tz
@23 - or was it Sargon of Akkad that couldn't even handle Richard Spencer?
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I'm no big fan of either of these, but Spencer was the beginning of the downward spiral of Soygon. During some debate he said something to Serg'n like 'you're not as intelligent as you think you are' .

Blogger Xiety December 06, 2018 12:05 PM  

The IDWTF has been messing with Stefan for a while.
Sam Harris essentially scolded Douglas Murray for speaking with Stefan, Joe Rogan strongly suggested to Owen Benjamin that he stay away from Stefan, JBP used Stefan early on as part of the long con but won't go near him now, and this isn't the first time Weinstein has taken a public shot at Stefan.
It's good to see him finally pushing back.

Blogger stareatgoatsies December 06, 2018 12:27 PM  

> What, precisely, is nuts and stupid about Stefan's statement?

"No white males, no modern world. Fact," if taken at face value, is both dumb and nuts.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelpia December 06, 2018 12:34 PM  

Everyone here has to understand on important thing, and it's this: for some people, facts are hard to grasp.

Sometimes I vacillate between various permutations of hope and despair. Despair because the fact-challenged segment of the population seems ascendent.

But then hope. Why? Because, aside from incisive thinkers like Vox and Stefan (to a certain extent) we have another unlikely source for the truth: the science of population and behavioral genetics.

Ladies and Gents, it's coming. The truth is heading our way, and guys like David Reich, Svante Paabo, Robert Plomin, are laying the groundwork.

Oh, they may all pay lip service to the "acceptable" social constructs, but they can't help themselves but get to the lab, and do the studies and analyses that will invariably drive a stake into the heart of the delusions of social "science," and the political correctness that comes from the insane notions of equalitarianism.

Blogger Jeroth December 06, 2018 1:00 PM  

It doesn't really change your points, but that is not the tweet he was referring to. It's this one:


My ancestors were driven out of Africa and struggled to survive winter and hunger.

Over thousands of years, they became smarter and wiser through suffering.

They made the modern world.

Now the Africans say we are “privileged” & thieves.

No - suffering made us.

No more guilt.

Blogger Robert December 06, 2018 1:07 PM  

David Stove lays out how modern leftist "philosophers of science" try to disprove the existence of any scientific progress at all. And they're serious!

Blogger Lance E December 06, 2018 1:27 PM  

Fourth-rate academics indeed. These people are nobodies. A biology professor at Evergreen State College. A psychology professor at the University of Toronto. Some guy who happens to work for Peter Thiel. None of these are prestigious positions, even for liberals who are into this sort of credentialism. And none of them have any significant accomplishments to their names. We should listen to them... why?

When you hear reactionaries talk about "elite overproduction" or the "managerial system", the Ineffectual Dork Wads are exactly the kind of detritus that they mean. Marginally-talented people grooming other marginally-talented people for lucrative yet entirely redundant positions in society, and accorded an elite status way out of line with their actual relevance and power.

I'd almost rather hear from Hollywood celebs. Almost.

Blogger VD December 06, 2018 1:27 PM  

Sam Harris essentially scolded Douglas Murray for speaking with Stefan, Joe Rogan strongly suggested to Owen Benjamin that he stay away from Stefan, JBP used Stefan early on as part of the long con but won't go near him now, and this isn't the first time Weinstein has taken a public shot at Stefan.

Only one of the many reasons I don't play the media whore game. It's like the Game of Junior High School Girls.

Blogger Avalanche December 06, 2018 1:36 PM  

@28 "Here deep in one of the bluest states, they'd say that women would have contributed more if they were oppressed. Same for the most of the non-white races, I think."

Ask them if, in Africa, BEFORE the eeeeeevil White man came down and built them roads and wells -- was Wakanda real? What inventions had they developed that have moved into the modern world?

Blogger Xiety December 06, 2018 1:38 PM  

VD wrote:Only one of the many reasons I don't play the media whore game. It's like the Game of Junior High School Girls.
Precisely.

Blogger Chris Jackson December 06, 2018 1:41 PM  

"That's dumb. I can't tell you why, but I'll just insist it is and refuse to discuss it."

=

"Given the information available to us, there is nothing to dispute this assertion."

Blogger Avalanche December 06, 2018 1:44 PM  

(Me at @58): Oh, sigh, yeah. Dialectic again... I keep forgetting translation... Sorry.

Blogger electricsheeple December 06, 2018 2:42 PM  

I doubt VD will ever take credit for it, but part of his legacy may include pushing guys like Stefan and Alex further to the nationalist right. He can't take credit for it bc the art of persuasion requires that people feel they arrived their conclusions on their own.


In any event, it's great to see Stefan pushing this position, and it's notable that Alex does not ever counter signal Vox's nationalist positions.

Blogger Mr Darcy December 06, 2018 2:42 PM  

In re: my post at #37 above:

My friend (who sent me the text below) has replied to my query to say that it appeared on a site called "Godlike Productions." Here's the original text:


"Nous nous adressons à la population, c'est le calme avant la tempête !!! Faites des provisions, de l'essence /gazoil, faites le pleins en nourriture et médicaments !!! Nous allons tout bloquer dès le 10 décembre !!! Nous nous arrêterons quand se que nous demandons sera réellement mis en place !!! Assez de nous prendre pour des cons !! Nous voulons vivre et non survivre !!! Rejoignez nous le10 décembre !! Aucune école, aucune administration ! Ouverte !! Aucun magasin !! Nous bloquerons les accès et sorties d'aéroport !!les grandes surfaces ! Les bureaux !! La Srpp !! Nous prévenons la population !!! Rejoignez nous au différents barrages ou restez chez vous ! Nous les GJ sommes non violents et ne voulons pas que de belles paroles mais des actes !!! LE 10 DÉCEMBRE TOUS ENSEMBLE !!!!"

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim December 06, 2018 2:43 PM  

Did anyone notice though, that in Stefan's video "Winter is coming" he seems to think the soil really is magical?

Blogger SciVo December 06, 2018 2:45 PM  

bodenlose Schweinerei wrote:"I'm as useless and pathetic a pussy as Chelsea Handler's!"

Hey now, she has an estimated net worth of $25-40 million and an annual income of $12 million, just from looking like an easy lay -- and I assume it's true, since I don't think she's anywhere near talented enough to pretend that well.

Which also says something about her audience, but still, her vagina deserves some credit for having already made her far more money than I will see in my lifetime.

Blogger Mr Darcy December 06, 2018 3:04 PM  

@45 tz:

LOL! LOVE IT! Thanks.

Blogger Cecil Henry December 06, 2018 3:06 PM  

What’s the most useful iteration of the Intellectual Dark Web?

https://twitter.com/FaithGoldy/status/1070756997987880960

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums December 06, 2018 3:27 PM  

electricsheeple wrote:I doubt VD will ever take credit for it, but part of his legacy may include pushing guys like Stefan and Alex further to the nationalist right. He can't take credit for it bc the art of persuasion requires that people feel they arrived their conclusions on their own.

I don't know about that because VD is way ahead of the game for them to "get it".

Like for instance I found out about VD through Stefan, saw some videos and interviews with him but never really changed my positions. Then something else would have happened, then I would remember that this is exactly what that Vox Day guy said it would happen. So I would rather say that people don't agree with Vox Day because they were persuaded by him, they agree with Vox Day because they can't ignore reality anymore.

The trend is clear. I agree with Vox on the whole free trade issue not because I have studied the matter and have DEVASTATING SINGLE TWEETS to back me up, I agree because the odds of him being wrong are very low.

Stefan's been on a bit of a downward slope from my perspective but after him visiting Poland his whole view on nationalism seems to have changed. If he would have listened to Vox years ago it would have saved him the trip.

Blogger Haxo Angmark December 06, 2018 3:59 PM  

VD: "...the growing trend toward Nationalism and Christianity in the West"

Nationalism: maybe.

Christianity: jew'd. Zionized. Completely converged. Not only useless but now actively poisonous. Beyond redemption.

the ideological basis for the renascent White Nations will be explicitly racial: blut und boden.

not "muh Christianity, "muh Constitution", or any other universalist prop nation claptrap.

Blogger DJT December 06, 2018 4:36 PM  

Christianity: jew'd. Zionized. Completely converged. Not only useless but now actively poisonous. Beyond redemption.

the ideological basis for the renascent White Nations will be explicitly racial: blut und boden.

not "muh Christianity, "muh Constitution", or any other universalist prop nation claptrap.


This is just gay.

Blogger tublecane December 06, 2018 4:38 PM  

"That suggests his purpose is not an analytical one."

Mercy me, a gentleman in the intellectual forum is motivated by something other than the detailed examination of the constituent parts of the subject at hand? He shall be declared outlaw, in that case, and merits not the privilege of debate.

Goodday, sir.

Blogger SirHamster December 06, 2018 4:51 PM  

@DJT

Haxo Angomark is on the ban list last I've heard. The troll cries for attention.

Blogger tublecane December 06, 2018 4:57 PM  

Are we still pretending the Intellectual Dark Web is an actual thing?

I guess it's fine to have a term for these people who invite eachother on their shows and stages.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 06, 2018 5:38 PM  

DJT wrote:the ideological basis for the renascent White Nations will be explicitly racial: blut und boden.


This is just gay.


It's just Haxo. Might be the same thing, I suppose. Haxo is tiresome even if he's not gay.

Blogger R Webfoot December 06, 2018 5:43 PM  

@67
When Shapiro interviews JBP on how the reason the radical Left is bad is that it might eventually lead to the rise of the radical Right. Apart from that though it would be A-OK.

Blogger DJT December 06, 2018 8:09 PM  

My bad.

Blogger Dan Karelian December 06, 2018 8:12 PM  

Neither Vox Day or Stefan Molyneux will debate Jay Dyer however.
Everyone has their limits.

Blogger Cloudbuster December 06, 2018 10:40 PM  

Bret Weinstein was a proto-SJW himself back in the 80s -- he led a campaign against a frat at Penn State because they had strippers at a party and he found that exploitative and sexist. The Evergreen College kids turning on him was sweet karma. He's a doctrinaire leftist through and through.

Blogger Dirk Manly December 06, 2018 10:56 PM  

Strippers at a frat party is definitely exploitive ... all that beer and pizza money they're losing while getting nothing in return!

Blogger xevious2030 December 07, 2018 11:57 AM  

@68
Vox sews the seed and set the light, and reality waters. But the rest is up to the plant. Some whither, some grow.

Blogger Ugh December 07, 2018 1:40 PM  

Why is this a there even a comment section here? “Vox says it, that’s good enough for me” None of these other guys are even on the same plain as Vox and offer nothing!! They’re all pretenders or con men. I set my browser to Vox and deleted all the rest. I’m finally home.

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